psyker-class

[strong gulch]

With the SG changes, it felt better

[nocturne dust]

Less that, and more I tested it in Mortis by taking Colossus and found the added HP made the added damage + CC feel kinda good, plus the boss spam

CC as in crit chance, not crowd control

Also

apparently

Colossus lets you not take damage from Bonbon

I forgot I was vomitted when helping the dude

Also my chat was broken

[strong gulch]

lmao

trials is so funny

[nocturne dust]

I wonder how long the Bonbon can hold you

[prime elk]

Is this a game issue? Noticed my chat broken today

Thought it was mods

[nocturne dust]

is game

You fail to connect to chat servers

[prime elk]

This fucking game lol

[nocturne dust]

Figured it out, RMB -> LMB Spam = The first attack sometimes breaks

(You don't need scrier's active, I was just trying to replicate the bug)

https://youtu.be/wbbcne4UvWc

Wallpaper material

[strong gulch]

Markiplier in the background makes it funny.

[nocturne dust]

I let it run while watching

[strong gulch]

https://tenor.com/view/the-book-of-boba-fett-this-is-the-way-the-armorer-mandalorian-gif-25545276

[dark swift]

For voidstrike staves, what's the dumpstat? was it Quell speed or Warp resist?

[nocturne dust]

warp res

[strong gulch]

Blast radius

[nocturne dust]

oh, voidstrike

Stupid, ugly shark of obese proportions

[dark swift]

Which should I go with?

[strong gulch]

If you're min maxing, reroll.

[nocturne dust]

The warp res one, but I would definitely recommend eventually getting one that dumps blast radius

Voidstrike kinda needs its warp res

[dark swift]

Ah ty! Just came back to the game so I'm trying to replace all my uneven stuff lol

[nocturne dust]

If you want info on a build you can check pins for something a very smart and intelligent person that I am unbiased towards wrote

[strong gulch]

It wasn't me.

Uhh that might be misleading. Lol

Not misleading... confusing.

I'm going to bed. Brain bad.

[sturdy reef]

your

brain burst

🙂

[deft stump]

Pifft. What is eep?

[dense wolf]

what

curios for psyker

the norm curios

https://tenor.com/view/cat-kitty-kittens-cats-cute-cats-gif-15982734

[plucky flax]

Anything you want fren

[dense wolf]

me dont know

https://tenor.com/view/i-dont-know-naku-teliyedhu-gif-cat-animals-gif-18975408

[plucky flax]

I run 2 hp 1 toughness

[dense wolf]

oke

tyty

[plucky flax]

More ppl run 2 toughness 1 hp but im built different (top 1%)

[deft stump]

Just don't do 3x +3 stam.

While it is very funni to see 7 ragers do nothing to your shields.

[strong gulch]

General rec is 201 hp and x1 sniper resist. How you get there is up to you.

If you do a lot if PAs (push attacks), a +3 stam curio is good. Make sure the base is 410 or higher.

[dull scroll]

3x toughess

[quartz barn]

3x health, sniper res not needed

Yes i actually run triple hp

[plucky flax]

Based

[quartz barn]

I usually have more health than ogryns lmao

[radiant frigate]

https://tenor.com/view/mulletjin-jinmeme-jin-seokjin-seokjinmeme-gif-21591629

[marble crater]

Top 1 percentile

[plucky flax]

[cosmic sigil]

1% in the brain, the rest in the muscles

[marble crater]

Siblings we did it, we fixed deranking

[summer prairie]

okay so once you reach 40 you won't derank ever except intentionally or by not playing, maybe

"on track to implement the changes with our hotfix next week™️"

[plucky flax]

Maybe I can reach 40 now

[nocturne dust]

I don't like how much effort they're spending on keeping the deranking system intact

[summer prairie]

I wonder if you can get a new map by losing 3 in a row though

oh says you won't lose attempts, so I guess not

[glacial vapor]

But they need the E N G A G E M E N T

[upper sun]

"Players will only be eligible to derank if they stand to gain something from it.

A player of higher rank will not lose a charge upon being a participant in a lower ranked mission that failed.
Dev Note: We want to promote higher ranked players helping out in the lower ranks.

Rank 40 players will not be able to lose a charge through gameplay means at all."

havoc is saved

[glacial vapor]

Nevermind the majority of havoc players have hundreds of hours in game and a huge don't have the skills to reach 40 anyway

[nocturne dust]

Might be a too-late kinda situation

[upper sun]

🚬

man i said so many times

mods like solo play and mmt are hurting the games development

by being a bandaid solution they stop people from asking from basic features everyone wants

complaining CLEARLY works

[nocturne dust]

Being able to experiment only after finishing the hardest difficulty is dumb (especially because experimentation is best early on to figure out how to climb better, lol)
Deranking is still dumb

[upper sun]

ye i was hoping it would be removed entirely

[nocturne dust]

I don't see why they continue to invest in not removing the stupid system nobody likes

[nocturne dust]

*for things Fatshark is capable of doing

Fatshark is not capable of solo mode or they'd have done it

[upper sun]

🙄

[nocturne dust]

We both know that's true

[summer prairie]

you can always play lower havoc ranks to experiment, but yeah only if they are available

[nocturne dust]

Except you have to derank to do that

[summer prairie]

no?

[nocturne dust]

Yes, or rely on random passerbies

[summer prairie]

if you find someone lower rank than yours, you can play and not lose attempts

[upper sun]

theres unironically one line of code disabling solo custom games

ONE LINE

[nocturne dust]

That's dumb

and bad

and also, defeats the purpose of experimenting to climb if you're stuck at a bump-spot where difficulty increases

[nocturne dust]

Incapable

[summer prairie]

but yes, they might as well remove the whole mechanic by this point

can also make it a bit harder now

[nocturne dust]

They won't though, they have to try every option other than the obviously correct one first

[summer prairie]

or at least let you host any havoc level lower than yours

[nocturne dust]

They should

Dunno why they don't

[upper sun]

🚬 custom games when?

[nocturne dust]

Probably because Havoc is a rushed mode shot out the door

[dull scroll]

there a link? where is this posted

[upbeat kestrel]

#📢news-bulletin

[cosmic sigil]

I will have you carry me you top percentile elite player

[plucky flax]

Okay

[zinc phoenix]

This rule change to havoc derank is great

Now I don’t suffer from pugging

I can jump in with the mongs, they all die within five seconds and then I can find a new group without deranking

Before I’d just accepted I was going to trade rank for entertainment

I’ll probs stick in the 20s as there’s not much incentive to go higher once you’ve gotten the tryhard cheevos

[marble crater]

Is this the most unimpressive way to complete a penance?

[torn kernel]

still no qp

[deft stump]

You still have h1?

[torn kernel]

yeah ofc

i hope

[deft stump]

When gf goes home. Speed?

[torn kernel]

i haven't touched the havoc terminal in a while i might've been boosted to 16 again because i've been doing auric maels

[deft stump]

Oh.

[marble crater]

Fixed a crash that could happen when a player joined an ongoing session caused by the ‘Bruiser’ Ogryn talent

Fixed a crash caused by a Zealot leaving the game while using the Relic Blade special.

[deft stump]

Well manual demotion still exists, or lul.

[torn kernel]

probably not tonight, i'm out with friends lol

[deft stump]

That is at least 10 days later.

When I mean go home, I mean fly back.

[torn kernel]

work starts next week i'm making the most out of this holiday

[deft stump]

She's over for my Bday.

[torn kernel]

OH right i forgot y'all were long distance

:o

[deft stump]

Yes.

[torn kernel]

happy birthday!

[deft stump]

Not yet.

[torn kernel]

how late am i

oh

[deft stump]

@marble crater Explain.

Is on 11th.

I might be extra busy or no then.

GF's a gremlin.

She will drag me around.

[torn kernel]

uwu

[rapid steeple]

I haven’t played Havoc 40 since the original update. How does havoc play now for us, siblings?

Is it still purge staff/flame trauma/rend trauma and shield?

[marble crater]

I will explain that wishing happy birthday early brings bad luck, though if people don't know it can be excused, imo

[deft stump]

Awful due to derank mechanics, wait till next week. Otherwise much harder.

[torn kernel]

I KNOW ABOUT THE CURSE THING I THOUGHT I WAS JUST LATE

[rapid steeple]

Really eh?

[deft stump]

The classic builds still good. Just pacing is much faster.

[rapid steeple]

The new bulwark modifiers must make it rough

But doesn’t purge staff cleave through them anyways

I see

[deft stump]

As said, the main gripe is the stupid derank.

Means nobody will help lower and such.

[rapid steeple]

I always wanted to play my melee hypermode scrier’s build for H40 but the gunner spam made it not work out well

[deft stump]

Because one mistake will derank you even if you get nothing out of it.

[rapid steeple]

What a shame

[deft stump]

Now just need ppl to grind to 40 and then slack.

[marble crater]

But the deranking is getting changed, so rejoice

[zinc phoenix]

IKR? Like I completely understand wanting people to team up for high diff content and socialize and plan and whatnot but the community absolutely doesn’t give two shits and treats party finder as quick play with extra steps. So like give us havoc quick play 🙏

[deft stump]

Only if they completely remove deranking.

[zinc phoenix]

And dump the stupid rank system

[deft stump]

Or make it a toggle.

[zinc phoenix]

Just let us queue for havoc one to five like we can queue for sedition through damnation

And compress the 40 havoc levels to that

[deft stump]

Don't need trolls qping into a 35+ with builds so horrible, my ogryn is looking like a godgryn.

With literally a mess of curios and such.

[zinc phoenix]

And if the loss rate is super high and people only do havoc 5 with custom groups then so be it, at least I can queue for 2 through 4 without a bunch of completely unnecessary hassle

[deft stump]

Or have a quickplay queue and pf.

Same rules, different party setup way.

[zinc phoenix]

Party finder should just be removed

People literally only use it because they can’t quick play for havoc

[deft stump]

Games are private unless specifically on qp queue.

[zinc phoenix]

If people want to organize a game they should go on discord and obese fish should build a discord integration so that I can right click someone’s discord name, select join and hop into a game with them

[deft stump]

Yes, but randoms can always join games that aren't private.

[zinc phoenix]

Does anyone actually do that?

[deft stump]

Not everyone wants a quickplay troll to join their team.

[zinc phoenix]

Oh you want private games or whatever

I don’t really care about that so I have no opinion to share

[deft stump]

You know there will be some, is like normal pubs and griefers.

[zinc phoenix]

I think private games and custom games are entirely a waste of dev time used by a tiny tiny fraction of the community to solve a non problem but that’s for their product team to decide

[rapid steeple]

they still haven’t fixed party finder

Miserable

I feel bad for people trying to get into high havoc because the big gauge now is wether someone has true survivor or not

[zinc phoenix]

I mean that was inevitable. Funnily enough people reject me because I’ve deranked some due to pugging despite TS and MGS showing

[deft stump]

Most will try, but there's always griefers out to ruin stuff. And kicking is annoying to do since little real breaks now.

[rapid steeple]

Like, it feels great to have it, but I’m obviously going to prefer to have a squad full of true survivors including myself over anyone else yaknow

[rapid steeple]

Wow, lol

[deft stump]

Ppl only go with higher.

[rapid steeple]

my Havoc got reset to 30 because I haven’t touched it in forever lol

[deft stump]

But nobody higher wants to risk a derank.

[zinc phoenix]

I mean full havoc set, got ts in the first week, havoc forged, loads of games in havoc, all the tryhard cheevos. Insufficient for some 😂

[rapid steeple]

Suggestion: mortis trials blessings at higher tier havoc missions

[zinc phoenix]

“Oh no he is only 28 havoc rank because he goofin”

“I shall decline”

Party finder is just dumb

[deft stump]

Naw, toggled fun mode cos tryhards will reeeeeeeeeeee at making it easier again.

They are already saying is too easy still

[dull scroll]

not surprised, lots of people that got those in the old havoc fold in the new one

[zinc phoenix]

I think they’re planning for a mortis mode that is actually hard because otherwise what’s all the agent talk

[zinc phoenix]

The new havoc is easier imo

[dull scroll]

I think now the pug standard is 40 clear and true lvl

[rapid steeple]

I see

[dull scroll]

for the vast majority? no lol

[zinc phoenix]

Well, doesn’t matter to me as I’m not interested in going back up because there’s literally no gain for me 😂

[deft stump]

Is why only 3 groups will take me high havoc now.

[zinc phoenix]

“Oh goody more worthless mats”

[deft stump]

Everyone stares at my lvl 120~ Zealot.

[rapid steeple]

They should just remove all weapons

Makes the game too easy

[analog agate]

That’s a take

[dull scroll]

dude "can't be bothered" to climb back to 40 take 😂

[deft stump]

And you know FS is trying to please everyone with the changes atm.

[loud girder]

this shit wont be hard unless they nerf everything and tat's not gonna happen
if u have 2 ogryns on the team throwing infinite bombs its already done

[torn kernel]

i can't be bothered to ever go over 25 😤

[loud girder]

mortis is meant to be the unga bunga fun

dont see it changing

they can increase the spawns by 10x and stuff will get deleted

[idle plover]

Auric mortis trials

[deft stump]

More indulgences for stuff that lack them, inf waves mode and maps, that's about it.

[zinc phoenix]

It definitely has felt easier. Theres less need to deal with shooters/gas and the main skill check is boss damage and carapace spam

[summer prairie]

it's like twice as hard

[zinc phoenix]

IMO it’s harder to cheese

[deft stump]

Less gas? Are you blind or something? There's more fart cloud spam now.

[zinc phoenix]

They don’t have the goo modifier

Everything feels easier without that

Literally goo was the fucking worst

[dull scroll]

when you have x3 horde with twins and a boss on you goo and more shooters are the least of your worries 😂

[deft stump]

You sure you even played enough h40s to say things?

[zinc phoenix]

Yeah that can suck but goo is worst

[loud girder]

goo is annoying
5 bosses gadooshing you is actually hard

[zinc phoenix]

I’ve pugged a few and we lost 🤷‍♀️

[dull scroll]

goo is ez mode when you have cleanse

[deft stump]

Cos some combos are bs.

[zinc phoenix]

Sure, but you can’t split you can’t move and if cleanse goes down is gg

[dull scroll]

like dude, you haven't even played a new high havoc, those old annoyances are not even comparable

[zinc phoenix]

I have, I just disagree 🤷‍♀️

Everyone is entitled to their own opinions on it

[summer prairie]

I think you are the only one

but yes

[deft stump]

Sec, GF is gremlining.

[zinc phoenix]

I fucking hated goo

[deft stump]

Get a beacon zealot.

[zinc phoenix]

I will take all the bosses and hordes over goo

[deft stump]

Or play one.

[summer prairie]

the goo didn't even make the game harder, just more annoying

[plucky flax]

New havoc chaffs not tanky enough

Bring back 21st

[zinc phoenix]

Occasionally people die. I know you are familiar with this 😂

[deft stump]

Shush you.

[summer prairie]

not tanky enough for psyker farm

[plucky flax]

Rampaging enemies too hard

[zinc phoenix]

I loved that modifier 🪦

[deft stump]

Old H40? I don't even go down much. New one is harder.

[plucky flax]

I did 1.6mil in 30 mins tho with new havoc so that's not too bad

[dull scroll]

Rampaging AND raging 😒

[summer prairie]

I think the stacking dr buff hurts purg a bit more than some other builds

[deft stump]

You can literally ask the ppl here.

[summer prairie]

just in terms of scoreboard damage

[zinc phoenix]

People thought old havoc was hard in the first weeks too. Then strats got worked out and it became trivial

[plucky flax]

I like 1 of each class with new havoc

It's super based

[zinc phoenix]

Same, I think especially with og buffs it’s a good way to go

[dull scroll]

purge actually have that one ez, VB is the one that gets cucked the most

[deft stump]

That's cos ppl never think of going defensive. Aurics are all beeg damage cool kill everything.

[summer prairie]

I mean it affects dots more than things that still one-shot targets

it doesn't really matter but slightly lower scoreboard damage

[dull scroll]

that's the thing, golden mobs don't get 1 shot by VB anymore

you just blast them towards you

[deft stump]

They just don't die. Is funny when a groaner eats 4 heavies from a dueling sword.

[quartz barn]

Rending trauma still doesnt care

[deft stump]

Is just pus skin but worse.

[zinc phoenix]

Gold looks cooler so I like it more then pus

[dull scroll]

but it is true, people are getting used to the new havoc, parties are farming 40s now on the regular

[zinc phoenix]

That said, I am really tired of “enemy but glow” and prefer new models

[deft stump]

I will not talk about the top 0.1% though. Those can do stupid things and get away with it.

[quartz barn]

Approval moment zzzz

[zinc phoenix]

It’s just adjustment panic, new strats and builds will be worked out and it’ll become much easier

Literally seen the same thing too many times to count in this game

[deft stump]

Naw. The avg will still have trouble if mortis triple boss tells me anything.

[west smelt]

every time i look here, you're here

[zinc phoenix]

Mortis is snore tier

[quartz barn]

Tbh its only scuffed for people who were barely good enough for old h40

[deft stump]

Yes? I'm awake at weirder hours and such.

[dull scroll]

if you have trouble in Mortis that's not a good look 😂

[zinc phoenix]

Bring a las, take sg, merk the bosses solo

[quartz barn]

Adjusting isnt too hard if youre really up there skillwise

[west smelt]

maur

[zinc phoenix]

I was afk half the time in mortis I was so bored 😂

I couldn’t do more than the 5 runs to try all the styles

[deft stump]

Oh no, I'm just sick of having to solo them. BoN sucks.

[zinc phoenix]

I’m not even good, it’s just so boring

[loud girder]

mortis is boring if u make it boring

i use it to try funny stupid builds

and underpowered weapons

go crazy

[dull scroll]

lucky you get to solo, mortis best way to farm penance 😔

[quartz barn]

Just get the solo mod

[deft stump]

Cos you get questionable teams where your Illisi psyker has to solo a pogryn.

[dull scroll]

wait what, I have the mod, can you farm penance in them?

does it count

[quartz barn]

Not with the mod

But i assume youre going for malleus monstrum?

[deft stump]

I play on a dead enough server that I can get solo games at certain hours without.

[quartz barn]

Because just lfg for that

[loud girder]

i didnt like the solo play mod cause snipers, dogs and trappes became 10x worse
This game is not designed around 0 ping

[dull scroll]

well I'm not going for anything now, pretty much farmed up all the ones I want

[zinc phoenix]

I play the same meleeker build I’ve been playing since they released FGS. It’s not my fault it’s sleep tier

[deft stump]

And no, I'm just soloing cos not sure where and what my team is doing just ignoring the boss... or they kissed the floor.

[zinc phoenix]

If you kill boss fast they don’t die

[quartz barn]

I actually get flamed for speedrunning when i run that build

Not my fault i clear faster than enemies can spawn

[loud girder]

i mean fgs is pretty strong itll just delete everything and probably doesnt have any funny perks
go exec stance vet and shoot your bolter for 2 minutes straight
go big ogryn and throw a box every 5 seconds
go zealot and burn eveything with your melee

hell go psyker and do multi brain burst

and stuff

[deft stump]

I was playing a FUN build. Assail, Illisi and EP does not a boss clear build.

[zinc phoenix]

You can take a las pistol with that and delete bosses

Shoot weak point while backing up

If bon, run around obstacles while shooting it

[deft stump]

If you like manually pulling a trigger 800 times, that's you.

[zinc phoenix]

Well then go recon las

It’s even more efficient

[quartz barn]

Or run fgs and cleave so hard you hit the back pimple through the front

[dull scroll]

there's a mod for auto'ing the pistol

[zinc phoenix]

I always lag and get eaten doing that 😂

[quartz barn]

Really my msg got automodded lol

Just dont get spit on beforehand

Phrasing i guess

[deft stump]

Rejected. I have explained why. Unless FS adds it as an accessiblity option.

[loud girder]

if that's what's stopping u from using it then dang....

its a fantastic weapon

[brazen rampart]

That is a terrible idea.

[rapid steeple]

I run the laspistol on the melee hypermode build and it’s great for “i need to kill every ranged thing with a single shot each”

Disrupt destiny is insane-tier

[loud girder]

las pistol kills really fast if u can aim, u wont be spamming it too much

[deft stump]

Not when you have a hard time aiming in the first place. Is why I hated lasguns generally. Recon just didn't care as much about accuracy to bodypart.

[loud girder]

fair enough ig

recon do be comfy

pew pew pew pew pew

[zinc phoenix]

If you get rid of rank havoc levels become a difficulty selector and you only need 5 of those

[deft stump]

The others push for high weakspot hit rates.

[zinc phoenix]

You could expand it to 7 if you really want to mirror standard game’s full set

[deft stump]

Why there is a reason my ws sits on 220 out of 250.

Even if it's the keystone I use 90% of the time.

I either crit or I hit a weakspot kill.

To be fair, bistol aiming on the fly isn't the best.

[zinc phoenix]

Take run and gun or whatever and it works great

I’m constantly sprinting while shooting the bistol

There’s a bit of lag time on the draw where the gun isn’t aiming correctly when you shoot but you can correct for that with practice

[twilit orchid]

Dumpstat on the staves? As a quick question

[left basin]

damage

[zinc phoenix]

Warp resist for all but void which can dump blast

Voidstrike

I forgot there are two voids now

[deft stump]

Not on vet, you want punc and lethal.

[zinc phoenix]

No way, gotta go fast

Tac axe, bistol, right side

Zoom around murdering

[deft stump]

Veteran.

[zinc phoenix]

Yes

That is what I am taking about

Vet right side is also zoomy

You get tons of stam refund for sliding and dodging it’s great, mega mobile build

[deft stump]

Not Zoomy enough lul.

Plus, I'm more 'nadier leaning to it.

[zinc phoenix]

You can go right side and still pick up bleed nade and nade regen

[misty ferry]

Not exactly true

People at >35 will reject anyone who doesn't have a 2.0 rank

Especially those who don't have a 2.0 rank while having True Survivor

[dull scroll]

what's a 2.0 rank?

[misty ferry]

The highest mission you completed in new havoc

[dull scroll]

can you see that? how

[rapid steeple]

What’s a 2.0 rank?

[misty ferry]

True level mod methinks

[rapid steeple]

Ahhh

wait, doesn’t true survivor still show havoc rank (highest completed)? I have 40 from my old havoc rank.

[misty ferry]

Yeah if I see someone with "True Survivor" or "Havoc Forged" But no 2.0 rank I'm insta declining

[dull scroll]

well shit, time to check the mod option, that will make my pug picking much easier muahahahaha

[misty ferry]

That means it's someone that didn't even do their 30 for new havoc

[misty ferry]

No, if you only played havoc 1.0

[rapid steeple]

I see

[misty ferry]

True level will show nothing

That's why you would probably be rejected if you try to join anything higher than 30

Best option you have is trying to endure and host at least to 35

[rapid steeple]

Yet another problem with party finder

Awesome lol

[misty ferry]

Yeah that's the main bump

What I personally call Havoc Hell

Escaping up to 34-35

28-30 is where all previous 40s are stuck atm

[zinc phoenix]

Idk what the point of ranking to 40 is tho

[misty ferry]

Weekly rewards ofc

[zinc phoenix]

Mats are worthless, games are hard to find and I already have the cheevos

[zinc phoenix]

I have more money and resources than I could spend even if I restarted the account

[rapid steeple]

I reinstalled the game when mortis trials came out and I’ve just been playing that. I have all the havoc cosmetics, and I like insane psyker test tube baby + the silly buffs we get

[misty ferry]

Yeah I guess it does help someone like me since I'm new-ish

Compared to most havoc players

[misty ferry]

They did announce changes to havoc

This means that once you get assignment 40 you permanently unlock hard mode

And can also help newbies without risk

So they should be more open to help others escape Havoc Hell and accept lower levels in their 40s

[zinc phoenix]

Unless you get bored and stop playing

[misty ferry]

I think that players with 40 clearance are not gonna get bored of Havoc

Especially since most find the normal game boring now

[zinc phoenix]

I did until they changed the modifiers

The new modifiers are good

But there are still only like four missions in havoc

Or 5

Idk I always forget

[misty ferry]

I think there's 8

[zinc phoenix]

Did they add some?

[misty ferry]

Yes

[zinc phoenix]

The variety was sooooo loooooow

[misty ferry]

And removed Archivum sycorax

[zinc phoenix]

Blessed day

[dusky crag]

Kept dark communion though

[zinc phoenix]

Yeah I saw DC

[quartz barn]

There were 8 before

[zinc phoenix]

Did they also make the boss spawns less predictable?

[zinc phoenix]

Are you sure? I feel like I always got dark communion or archivum sycorax

[dusky crag]

Yes

[zinc phoenix]

Because I definitely noticed I can’t rely on knowing boss spots anymore

[dusky crag]

But it also spawns way more bosses

Twins, weakened bosses, regular bksses

[zinc phoenix]

Yeah I saw more bosses, that’s not too bad except when you get four and it’s two captains two bon 😂

[dusky crag]

Captains

[quartz barn]

Void, 2 torrents, one hourglass, ammo mission and all 3 carnavals

[marble crater]

Hab Dreyko

[dusky crag]

Theoretically up to 8 bosses can spawn at once

[quartz barn]

Oh wait 9 if you include sycorax

[zinc phoenix]

Fuck that tree

Fuck that fuckin tree

[dull scroll]

aren't the tree you have to worry about 😂

twins during extraction run

[quartz barn]

Ive only ever done dreyko on AM

[zinc phoenix]

“Play minesweeper while your team fiddles their bum”

[dull scroll]

is peak havoc experience

[quartz barn]

You can memorize the pattern tho

Always stays the same

[deft stump]

Enjoy a boss fight and twins at the escape btw.

[misty ferry]

There are still triggers

For scab captains, bosses and twins

The random part now are the weakened bosses

[deft stump]

What weakened? Just 50 billion normals.

[zinc phoenix]

Meh pretty standard they do boss spawns at exit in maels too now

Had a double on the way out of an am on sycorax

[analog agate]

The amount of normal hp bosses is annoying

[misty ferry]

That's just map trigger for hallow's mission at the beginning it's indeed dumb lol

[misty ferry]

That's why I love my bolter zealot babyyy

[zinc phoenix]

Lemme tell you getting wall banged by two chaos muties in a narrow corridor is just the best 😂

[deft stump]

Yeah.

[analog agate]

No. It is definitely bugged like old monster specialist was where weakened bosses are spawning with full hp. Or they are just intentionally doing it now 🤷‍♂️

[deft stump]

But you get the idea lul.

[analog agate]

Well, I say “old monster specialist”. But it isn’t old because it is currently bugged

[misty ferry]

I sure love when a chaos spawn, pogryn and burgle bomb rush us

[zinc phoenix]

Funny that I feel the need to feed bolter bois ammo

“Pls to be terminating this atrocity”

[brazen rampart]

The point of having so many clearance levels is to skill gate people on purpose so you don't get nearly as many shitters as you do in aurics. You see auric storm survivors that can't breathe and walk at the same time, ffs.

The same becomes true about havoc forged every day.

Making it easier to be carried and harder to tell who is and isn't worth bringing with you will bring the gamemode even further down than it already is.

[hollow jolt]

It is really annoying seeing all these shitters trying to barge into the highest difficulty they can

[remote nacelle]

https://tenor.com/view/pixel-wizard-spell-gun-gif-15190291888551728021

[hollow jolt]

Like I get standard damnation for the mats

But Auric+? Why lol

Then they alt-f4 after they go down is the icing on top 👌

[glacial vapor]

Pushing themselves, enjoying the suffering?

[zinc phoenix]

I don’t think the game mode’s current setup of forcing everything through party finder is particularly good or interesting. Compressing the levels and putting it into quick play while retaining the difficulty would make it faster to get games and actually play even if the outcomes are losses. People who want the purist experience could still circle jerk in party finder

[hollow jolt]

I had 2 players Alt F4ing in a Mortis Trial before

[zinc phoenix]

Idk why people do this, it’s so annoying

[hollow jolt]

Can't handle a Mortis Trial bruh

[zinc phoenix]

You spend 5m getting a party together and then some dolt alt f4 five seconds in

[patent mango]

ohhh my god

they're fixing havoc

[hollow jolt]

Yeah not being able to safely do lower havocs sucked

Should be more fun now

[remote nacelle]

Question with the combat knife what attack should I do against bosses n stuff?

[analog agate]

This is something I really don’t understand anymore. A large minority of players still quit immediately when they go down. Even when we are right next to them

[analog agate]

Have uncanny/lacerate on it. Can put unyielding. Some PA or heavy into weakspot. Bleed can stack pretty good.

[remote nacelle]

Pa?

Punch attack?

[analog agate]

Push attack. And sorry, not lacerate. Flesh tearer

I always get them mixed up

[glacial vapor]

Could be penance related. You can avoid deaths by leaving

[remote nacelle]

Cause I have bleed on weak spot and uncanny on my knife

Ah ok

[quartz barn]

Not anymore

[glacial vapor]

Oh, they fixed that?

[quartz barn]

The no deaths one got changed so prog resets if you dont play it out

And for the 15 clears without downs theyd already be too late anyway

[glacial vapor]

[quartz barn]

But ye some people in lower content just leave on down instead of waiting for a revive lmao

Or leave as soon as they bleed out

[glacial vapor]

I think I've left after a death (yeeted over a barrier) once. Cba waiting 10min after a shit spawn

[summer prairie]

The havoc help button already has some updated text for the new system

[patent mango]

we're so back

[compact cargo]

Hey spark heads!

Remember!

Good old times

[analog agate]

Oh yeah. The tickle staff

How people liked it is beyond me

I'm sorry amigo, if you can't hard carry with a staff that will make any five enemies in the game stop what they are doing and stand there for a few seconds and take damage on top of it in the time it takes you to right click, left click, and then then R. that's the definition of a player issue. The only staff that matches it in versatility is the purgatus staff. The purgatus staff just has different enemies and situations it's weak again

If i'm running surge staff I rarely get into a situation where my whole team is dead, because I have the tools that stops all the specials that suprise wipe teams. When i am in that situation pressing my F key to push/light everything around me on fire and some slash/push with my Illsi typically gives me the breathing room to go back the dogs/trappers etc under control.

What I'm getting from this is you aren't super great at melee crowd control, and that's fine a lot of people aren't, and it's a learned skill. But that's not an issue with a surge staff. It's jsut an issue that you can kind of get around with staffs like the purgatus.

[patent mango]

nope i entirely forgor that

[formal stump]

https://streamable.com/l7qu5u

[zinc phoenix]

Need loads of stam for that

The PA specifically

[long wharf]

well, at least FartShack is listening to us

gotta wait a whole nother hotfix for the havoc change, though

[hollow jolt]

Honestly its because they alt f4 that makes it really annoying because the game still reserves the slot for them.

If they leave menu then its ok

But 10 minutes of bot is whew

[quartz barn]

Bots are build different

[deft stump]

They are better than many malice players though.

[quartz barn]

Either they instadie to gunners or they get a res mid 20 crushers

[quartz barn]

Ye ok but any decent player can do malice at lvl 1

So unfair comparison

[hollow jolt]

Bots are funny, I saw one hold off 3 ragers alone (not kill because bad gear :c)

[summer prairie]

Looks like the fix for Scab Captain's sword combo was to remove that attack completely, whatever it was.

[deft stump]

Yes, I'm just saying they are better than some 30s I see in malice.

[hollow jolt]

Fixed UwU

[hollow jolt]

True lol

My friend wants to instant leave if he sees a lvl 30+6 or something like that lol

"I'm not doing a maelstrom with a +6"

[deft stump]

Malice mael?

[zinc phoenix]

Bot used the impossibly high iq move of literally just block lmao

[hollow jolt]

It was more an example but it was an Auric Mael

I forgot condition

[quartz barn]

Uhh

Me doing am on lvl 14 oggy

Oops

[hollow jolt]

Seeing scoreboards with like 5 blocks across a 30 min game is funny

[hollow jolt]

The difference is Ogryn is able to just do that

God new Ogryn is just 👌

[zinc phoenix]

I see so many people take a swing at rager mid attack chain with a weapon that obviously won’t stagger and then wondering why they die 😂

[quartz barn]

No this was months ago

[hollow jolt]

I love the new rocks

[quartz barn]

I completed all penances in like nov or something

[hollow jolt]

Oh then nice c: always happy to hear of players that can handle themselves

[deft stump]

Thing is, you are comparing yourself to the avg pub.

[quartz barn]

But even back then oggy eas just easy

[hollow jolt]

Its mostly the players that can't but expect others to carry them that bother me

[quartz barn]

Only downside is the big hitbox vs trappers

[deft stump]

The avg pub is like really bad.

[quartz barn]

But just dodge slide

[hollow jolt]

Yeah :c I get its a bit confusing because ragers can be easily staggered when NOT mid-swing but at lvl 30 they should see the pattern

[hollow jolt]

When I hear the trapper audio but don't see the trapper is peak butthole clenching 👌

[zinc phoenix]

All og penances? JFC I gave up, they take forever

And I hate playing og 😂

“Be slow”

[lone ravine]

Wasn’t there one where you had to be in coherency with your whole team the whole game

[deft stump]

I mean, if you ask and ppl agree to is one thing. But pubs are like... you know.

[hollow jolt]

Yeah

[deft stump]

They made it easier. 1 person is enough.

[hollow jolt]

"Oh we have a bot now at least I don't have to pick them up now"

[lone ravine]

I’m so glad I did that without even knowing about it

[hollow jolt]

Same with On Overwatch as Vet for me

[zinc phoenix]

The accuracy one?

[hollow jolt]

The annoying penances you have to purposely do are mostly psyker iirc

[hollow jolt]

"No melee hp loss" one

[lone ravine]

on overwatch I just had to get good at the game teammates

[zinc phoenix]

That one wasn’t bad with revolver but I was intentionally emptying my mag while going for it

[zinc phoenix]

Oh that was pretty easy, I picked it up with flawless execution

[deft stump]

Just go gremlin midway after you realise you took 0 damage in a run to then.

[hollow jolt]

Yeah felt good to get it naturally c;

[zinc phoenix]

You can build vet toughness/dr to such comical levels that you can’t take damage

😂 it’s insane genuinely

[hollow jolt]

Getting it pre-VoC is whew

[lone ravine]

I still need to get warrens shooting range penance but I can’t do it on psyker since his staff m1 is too large

[hollow jolt]

Ironically, Vet is weaker defensively since release

[glacial vapor]

Vet and Zealot penances are way worse imo

Psykers only annoying one is the ledge push/kill

[hollow jolt]

"Brainburst a boss"

[lone ravine]

zealot penances weren’t too bad

[hollow jolt]

Fuck that one

[zinc phoenix]

Ogryn has the absolute worst penances

“Do the same thing one billion times”

[lone ravine]

I just used EP + KR + double wall for that

[zinc phoenix]

It’s stupid beyond belief

[lone ravine]

It was Shrimply

[hollow jolt]

I didn't mind those except the lucky bullet proc one

[hollow jolt]

Oh those stack?

[glacial vapor]

It's straightforward if you can duo a heresy with someone

[lone ravine]

Yea it makes it super fast

[hollow jolt]

Fuvk lol

I stacked damage 😭

[lone ravine]

Stack it with a stim and you go even faster

[analog agate]

If that is true sword captain would be… a nothingburger? He would have his kick and sword sweep and that’s it.

[deft stump]

Not hard, just need a friend and killing bots or just have more friends.

[lone ravine]

A sword cap could have the melee twins dash

[hollow jolt]

Yeah he gets fucking demolished without the combo now

[zinc phoenix]

And shield flex

Me mad

[hollow jolt]

Brb getting 3 shield ogryns to block it

[zinc phoenix]

The exploration penances are the best imo

I had a lot of fun chasing those

[analog agate]

Ya. But a shield/charge followed by the flurry was the dangerous part. Now it is: sheild flex and then, what, a sweep?

[hollow jolt]

I only see players really die from the sword combo

Maybe the shield flex staggers players to being hit?

[deft stump]

I mean I usually offer to help for those.

[analog agate]

I’m not angry. Getting downed by invisible attacks was stupid

[glacial vapor]

"Waste a frag bomb on groaners 25 times"

[hollow jolt]

That's really the worst it gets now

[lone ravine]

Oh yea what’s a good staff for orthus I need to do it later

[zinc phoenix]

Getting yeeted into the abyss by the flex seems to be a pretty common way to go 😂

[hollow jolt]

Yeah I try to help if someone asks

[zinc phoenix]

😩

[hollow jolt]

IF they can be helped...

[hollow jolt]

Lol I love Rolling Steel

[zinc phoenix]

Fuck that mission lmao

It’s fine if you’re starting it

[lone ravine]

love rolling steel and how there’s always at least one ledge no matter what

[zinc phoenix]

But like every fucking time I spawn into it when the prior group has completely shat the bed

[glad maple]

How dare you disrespect the glorious train

[lone ravine]

Game went entirely smoothly? Someone fails jump to the Valkyrie

[deft stump]

Totally a solo mortis thing.

[analog agate]

Train is much much easier now

[zinc phoenix]

And I’m getting wall banged by muties straight out of the loading screen with half the team dead and the car on fire

Only person alive is a bot soloing the mission

[lone ravine]

Don’t forget when none of the teammates killed a single pox bomber so the entire map is just ass clouds

[glacial vapor]

I made so.much progress on it in Mortis. Multiple Frag bombs from one throw

[zinc phoenix]

Fuck me I hate that I s2g 90% of the game these days is just me hunting fart bombers

[deft stump]

Nobody pinged so I can't see.

[zinc phoenix]

Silent but deadly ass mfers

[deft stump]

I have been doing the box to face one.

[lone ravine]

This is why you spam ping into the clouds til something turns red

[zinc phoenix]

🙏 this is the way

[deft stump]

Harder on controller.

[lone ravine]

rip

[zinc phoenix]

I also like street sweeping assail shards through while doing it just in case I get lucky

Assail is honestly the coolest ability

It just looks wizard af

[lone ravine]

assail is cool I just wish it would fit in most of my builds pathing

[analog agate]

I would take assail in a heartbeat if I wasn’t locked out of aura

[hollow jolt]

Psykinetic aura or assail 😔

I take brainburst + psykinetic but I wish I had assail

[analog agate]

Even on staff builds. Can weave it in with casts

[hollow jolt]

I know its only 4% now but there's A LOT of elites/specials lol

[hollow jolt]

Or snipe bombers when others can't safely do so

My friend still complains about me not killing specials knowing full well its never just "a" special

Pain :c

[zinc phoenix]

Reject aura, embrace knife wizard

[twilit orchid]

What's wrong with the crit aura

[analog agate]

Oh and no wildfire

[verbal thistle]

wildfire doesn't even really do anything outside of In fire Reborn

[analog agate]

I use in fire reborn though

[verbal thistle]

fair

[analog agate]

I guess it would be something like that

[verbal thistle]

interesting build

[analog agate]

I have found a lot of value in taking things like inner tranq that allow me to spam staff. Unless you just mean taking assail. Which I don’t cause I am locked out of stuff on left side. We were saying we would take assail more if it psyker tree set up like ogryn

[zinc phoenix]

I’d dump warp expenditure for EE but yeah why not, that’d be fun

[analog agate]

This is something like I was using about a year ago. Assail is great against gunner/shotty that are kinda spread when using VB

[marble crater]

Assail and Psy Aura would be a dream

[strong gulch]

Ye. When I want something that's less thinky but more varied and engaging than purg, I like trauma assail. Scattered shooters be gone.

[unborn flicker]

Assail is pretty good

I take back what I said

About smite being the only viable blitz

Head popping could use some work. IMO it needs to always one tap(except bosses) and the length of the cast scales with the health of the enemy

[vernal temple]

anyone else notice the stimms missing their push handles?

[upper sun]

i think yours is just broken

[plucky flax]

Kf is gud

[unborn flicker]

Kf?

[lone ravine]

kinetic flayer

[plucky flax]

Free damage

[lone ravine]

The one % chance head pop

[unborn flicker]

Yeah that one is meh

[upper sun]

nah with any buffs that would be like 100k damage in 30 seconds

[plucky flax]

Wut

[unborn flicker]

The blitz itself should hold up

[plucky flax]

If you think it's meh I dunno what's good

[unborn flicker]

Not some % chance your melee will actually do something

[upper sun]

if it killed a crusher in the channel which is 3600 damage

[lone ravine]

it’s literally just free headpop on any hit

[upper sun]

he wants that to be base

[unborn flicker]

Huh?

[plucky flax]

It'd proc every 15s as long as you fighting

It's not really a chance

[unborn flicker]

15s is a long ass time

[lone ravine]

Being able to trigger it through walls with either FGS or shriek is nice

[unborn flicker]

And it won’t one tap

[upper sun]

you're talking about brainburst no?

[unborn flicker]

Yes

[upper sun]

its fine as is no need for buffs

[unborn flicker]

…I disagree

[upper sun]

it gets stupid with resonance

[plucky flax]

All the psykers in havoc run kf

[lone ravine]

BB is already silly with resonance and double shield

[unborn flicker]

Maybe it’s because I only run auric

[upper sun]

sorry....... i kneel........

i just cant get out of sedition

[plucky flax]

Ah fair I only play sedition

[upper sun]

maybe if they buffed brainburst

[unborn flicker]

But I’m tired of needing 3 channels of brain burst to kill one crusher

That’s crazy

[plucky flax]

Kf maybe only guud in that mode

[upper sun]

🤗 one day bro......

[plucky flax]

Never

[lone ravine]

ah dang you’ll get there one day guys

I’m on uprising

[prime elk]

it's not an anti-crusher tool...

[unborn flicker]

It’s not me trying to flex ;-; I’m a shit pysker

[prime elk]

you've got plenty of other options to deal with crushers

[upper sun]

deimos my beloved...........

[unborn flicker]

It’s description and armor bypass literally make it seem like an anti crusher tool

[prime elk]

oh lol. that's funny.

[marble crater]

It's already my beloved, pick your own

[unborn flicker]

Meh I was reading this article and just agreed with some points, sounds like most people in here like BB as it is for its kf but I think you guys could afford to be greedier https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/t/does-anyone-unironically-use-brain-rupture/100221/4

[prime elk]

the most insulting part is when BB fails to one-tap fucking dogs

but yes, we need to buff assail

[unborn flicker]

Kf is nice but it’s like a token prize for a participation trophy

[prime elk]

that's clearly the underperforming blitz

[marble crater]

KF proccing off soulblaze now is even funnier

[ripe obsidian]

"Rank 40 players will not be able to lose a charge through gameplay means at all."

Neat.

[unborn flicker]

I’m mostly ok with assail, it’s not jaw dropping like it was in release, but it’s a viable blitz

[prime elk]

(it's very good, even before the buff)

[ripe obsidian]

Another discord I am in, people are saying Havoc 40 is easy and are upset that you can't demote anymore. I don't think I agree on either front.

[analog agate]

Sounds like premade talk

[prime elk]

is the server called Sweats Anonymous?

[hollow jolt]

Clearly they're braindead

[unborn flicker]

I wonder if they own an air fryer

I just want them to make a full blown call of duty zombies style gamemode

Infinite waves

Brain off stuff for end of the day

There’s even the pox hounds for the dog rounds

[marble crater]

If they are so upset they can demote themselves manually

[lone ravine]

oh no I have to press a button??? Whatever shall I do!

[vernal temple]

Because of some mod? Can't really tell. All looked fine before today's hotfix

[lone ravine]

Is it only med stim?

[vernal temple]

All stimms

[upper sun]

🤔 lemme check

[strong gulch]

Get rid of the derank system.

[lone ravine]

What mods do you have on

[strong gulch]

It's poop

[vernal temple]

I just checked on the Psykhanium and the stimm handles are there lol

But when doing a mission, they're missing

[marble crater]

Clearly the ones in the mission were used before and/or got damaged during the fighting.

It's called immersion 🙄

[lone ravine]

Sorry I get hungry so I nibble on my stim in the airlocks

[upper sun]

no fucking way

damn thats cool

[marble crater]

Yes way

[upper sun]

yeah they have handles in psyk

[plucky flax]

Anyone mortise?

[upper sun]

uhhhh

yes

btw i have a 🌯 on the stove in 2 waves ill go afk for a bit to flip it

[formal stump]

I was excited to try a double barrel shotgun, but while playing with it I realized it kinda... blows ass

It's fun 1shotting muties I guess but thats not enough

[prime elk]

It’s very good actually

Benefits massively from crits

I think it’s better on vet though

[formal stump]

Probably

[lone ravine]

It’s pretty good with weapon specialist

[formal stump]

I'm just not feeling the power

[lone ravine]

On vet

[formal stump]

I haven't been able to find a non-double barrel shotgun yet

But I remember there being one and that one I need to try

[upper sun]

@plucky flax https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NTXoUsdSAnA

[plucky flax]

[strong gulch]

Hmmm

[analog agate]

Syllo said they just got rid of the attack. Not sure where he saw that though

[plucky flax]

They need to update their drive

[prime elk]

They’re even worse tbh

[long wharf]

Kinetic Flayer should be changed to something like a 25% chance to double smite

[buoyant maple]

this is huge

[strong gulch]

Buy one. Combat Shotgun.

[lone ravine]

if it double BB it should be 100% chance just keep the cooldown

[strong gulch]

Right?

[buoyant maple]

ya
granted this rly only works for havoc

it's kind of hard to mess up fighting captains in assassination missions

[marble crater]

My new favorite thing is to magdump recon las into captains

That sound is just 👌

[upper sun]

they should uncap the burn on recon

[lone ravine]

500 burn stacks

[marble crater]

Stacks transfer over into the next mission, like medpacks you deploy in the evac ship

[wooden sand]

Its so hot that it becomes the soul fire

[strong gulch]

I still remember.
https://youtube.com/clip/UgkxN5SGkeaUrhwmcAQJAL1Emd-NlxAsTdbK?si=IjGKRokjZ2kWXUjC

[buoyant maple]

those specials were racist to me

3 separate attempts to get u up

[strong gulch]

I was just the eyes emoji the entire time. Things kept getting worse. lmao

[marble crater]

I thought you were pro gamers

[strong gulch]

Uhhh I was level 27.

Not my fault

Ignore me refusing to use range of any kind and only running around stabbing things when I got downed.

[marble crater]

[deft stump]

Look, stabbing things is fun.

[fathom adder]

Why would we be here if not to stab things

[marble crater]

To shoot things and to warp things

[strong gulch]

Mettle crash be upon ye.

[marble crater]

No u

[strong gulch]

I don't need it when I try to access hadron as the lobby loads into the start of the mission.

On that note, trying to empower your grey starter weapons is another way to crash the game.

[marble crater]

Don't do those things then

[strong gulch]

[neon mist]

Does this stuff work with staffs?

[analog agate]

No

Staves really don’t get boosted in trials

[neon mist]

omg

fk me

x)

I have the worse build cooking

[strong gulch]

call it poop soup

[marble crater]

You don't have any build cooking, from what I see

[deft stump]

Never take deathdealer on a staffker.

[plucky flax]

It's good you can reload your staff faster and gain no peril when crit.

[fathom adder]

shooting
ranged stabbing

warp
stabbing their soul

burning
stabbing on a molecular level

bonking
a more primitive form of stabbing

[lone ravine]

hold on guys changing the Duracell battery in my EK staff

[neon mist]

huh?

[deft stump]

See, this guy gets it.

[deft stump]

The path. Never take Deathdealer.

[neon mist]

Is it a major indulgence?

[deft stump]

It's all about reloading and weapon swapping.

No. The path, archtype.

[neon mist]

I mean I can take it with a weapon

gun*

[lone ravine]

just don’t take it if you use a staff

Simple as

[deft stump]

Deathdealer, colossus, voltaic, pryokinetic and fulminator.

[deft stump]

Yes, with a gun. If you are a staffker, you run a staff.

Any of the others will be a better choice for you.

[neon mist]

ty

[deft stump]

Literally only thing in deathdealer that will surely work, is that 20% or so damage increase, assuming you roll it.

[whole oxide]

Not played in a while, have they changed something about how Wildfire/Perilous works? Because I was testing something in the psykanium, went away for 10 minutes, and I come back and widlfire is still cycling around killing specials on an infinite loop, when I'm sure it used to naturally die down quite quickly

[verbal thistle]

brain burst on damage now goes off on DoTs

bleed/fire/soul blaze

[whole oxide]

I see, interesting

[formal harness]

it also procs on staff bashes

[deft stump]

Tell them about the funni heavy smite subnode interaction lul.

[strong gulch]

Ye. KF now/ again procs on bleed, SB, and regular burn DoTs; but more so PC now triggers of SB DoT kills.

[whole oxide]

PC triggering on SB is pretty huge 😮

[strong gulch]

Ye

[strong gulch]

KF going off within 2 seconds off cooldown to help feed the flames. Thanks KF.

[marble crater]

I love the new KF and PC interaction with SB

Using all the abbreviations

[analog agate]

I ❤️ the new KF & PC 👉👈 w/ SB

Can we whittle it down more?

[marble crater]

Oh god...

[analog agate]

We really need more emojis talk here

[marble crater]

Do we?

[strong gulch]

WF helping too

[deft stump]

I think is time to use a plasma as a nuke.

[plucky flax]

uwu

[marble crater]

Yes, nuke the chat

[bold cape]

took a break again
how’s havoc now after the update?

[marble crater]

More difficult

[bold cape]

lovely

more fun difficult or painful difficult?

[plucky flax]

Both.

You need at least 2 Kariens to carry now.

[bold cape]

impossible

[marble crater]

Ranged enemies are less oppressive, but now there are more monster spawns, captain spawns, twin spawns

[bold cape]

twin spawns sound wonderfully scuffed

[plucky flax]

Ye when it's twins and there's a bonbon on top but the psyker didn't bring bubble.

Kinda sus when team gets pushed back int oa closed room

[marble crater]

Or backtrack enough into a bulwark wall

[strong gulch]

Yeah both for new havoc. both more fun and painful

IDK if I'll get back to 40 anytime soon, but havoc is definitely more fun so far.

[marble crater]

Get 40 once and then just do whatever without deranking

[strong gulch]

Ye.

Much better.

[marble crater]

Now to get to 40...

[strong gulch]

Ye.

[deft stump]

Nu. I don't carry havocs reeeeeeeeeeee

[strong gulch]

Karien carry merch

[deft stump]

Do you want a krak with your name on it?

[plucky flax]

You need some unsanctioned guy to help

[deft stump]

This is better.

[marble crater]

Are you not going to run out of kraks at some point?

[deft stump]

I'm a vet, what do you mean run out?

[strong gulch]

Nu. Maybe a chibi art enamel pin.

[strong gulch]

TRUE

[marble crater]

Even the regen talents can't keep up with you wanting to krak everyone

[deft stump]

Have you seen indulgences?

[marble crater]

Have you seen how many people you threaten with kraks?

Millions of people

[deft stump]

Still, have a massive pile of kraks now... if the oggies stop stealing them to snack on.

[deft stump]

And a krak can theoretically be inf with 50% to reboom.

[deft stump]

And why would you even want that?

[strong gulch]

It's cute. Also I'm a western millennial. We love enamel pins.

[deft stump]

Wot.

[strong gulch]

It's a thing. US, Canadian, UK, etc millennials love enamel pins.

[marble crater]

Nobody told me here in Germany

Maybe because it's not bread

[strong gulch]

more west I guess

enamel pins of bread

[deft stump]

We westernish, don't think we have that craze.

[deft stump]

So, a gremlin of a "commissar" threatening to krak someone instead of blam them with the bistol?

[marble crater]

Looks yummy

[strong gulch]

WAIT. @marble crater, are you familiar with Tofu Chan?

[marble crater]

I had this earlier, the best thing to result out of the French and German friendship

[marble crater]

I don't think so

[deft stump]

Wot? Looks like chocolate?

[marble crater]

It's not chocolate

[deft stump]

Wot. I thought Germany has decent chocolate?

[marble crater]

We do, but that is not chocolate. It's a lye croissant

[strong gulch]

He's a shiba inu who loves bread.
https://youtu.be/GQw-aEk05qY?si=-I2hmIeYKrrk8PsH

[deft stump]

Oh.

Carrot loves bread anyway.

Especially the fancy ones.

[marble crater]

Life hack to get free bread

[deft stump]

Just be kyoote and know how to beg...

That gremlin got bread from randoms before.

[fiery stratus]

https://tenor.com/view/duck-ducks-confused-surprised-what-gif-1845535727828628932

begging for bread

[marble crater]

https://tenor.com/view/mist-bernd-bernd-das-brot-gif-8833347768240252678

Most famous German bread

[marble crater]

His name is Bernd das Brot and he is a depressed mascot of our kid's channel

[deft stump]

Why would you have a depressed mascot for kids?

[marble crater]

Why not?

[jovial juniper]

German humor

[strong gulch]

Given the state of German folklore, depressed mascot seems quite tame and hinged.

[marble crater]

Indeed

[strong gulch]

Maybe I'm desensitized because the US has Eeyore.

[deft stump]

I guess. Fairytales be gore there.

[fathom adder]

Eeyore is a side character of one media property, not really a mascot by any stretch

[marble crater]

Reminder for everyone to read Struwwelpeter

[strong gulch]

A prolific media property in multiple mediums that's been well known for generations and taken on as a cultural mascot.

BUT that is beside the point when I was talking about desensitization.

[nocturne dust]

https://tenor.com/view/eeyore-winnie-the-pooh-gif-8798170

https://tenor.com/view/eeyore-winnie-the-pooh-thanks-for-noticing-me-gif-15136139

That first one was a misclick and the second doesn't even embed

https://tenor.com/view/sad-fade-fade-away-disappear-evaporate-gif-16638726229780416323

[marble crater]

https://tenor.com/view/epic-embed-fail-ryan-gosling-cereal-embed-failure-laugh-at-this-user-gif-20627924

[fathom adder]

Guess I've been looking at the wrong media. Didn't think Winnie the Pooh was still that much in the public consciousness, especially for Kids These Days.

I guess we don't really need a "mascot" when cynicism and pessimism are just the prevailing attitude of a society

[marble crater]

Damn, it wasn't that serious

[strong gulch]

So true tho.

But yeah, media and where it's known is weird now.

[deft stump]

This is just PSAs.

[nocturne dust]

I mean, they were talking about the mascot of a kid's channel, so eeyore is in the same vein.

[marble crater]

Yeah, where the kids die, lose body parts, get injured

[deft stump]

I mean, what would happen if you refuse to eat? You starve to death.

[strong gulch]

It wasn't, but also media gets serious and fast.

Everything is a text and there's always something to unpack, historicize, contextualize, etc.

[marble crater]

Yes, can probably teach the same lesson without the death part though

Like, become weak and can't play outside, if you don't eat

[deft stump]

Yes, but by then if you still refuse, what will happen?

[marble crater]

You die?

[strong gulch]

One of the cats took a shit and everywhere smells now.

I don't have poopie on my nose

[deft stump]

See, vewy accurate story.

[deft stump]

Chase them all down before they wipe their butts on your cloths.

[marble crater]

Good luck

[deft stump]

Totally... The nightmare when you go to bed and find out there's a sus streak.

[marble crater]

I love the new PC soulblaze interaction

[icy patrol]

does the electric staff have high increases in crit than others?

[upper sun]

NO WAY IT TRIGGERS FROM SELECTION

[verbal thistle]

yes

[icy patrol]

All my staffs will start with 22.50% but the voidstrike with warp nexus will cap around 49% at full peril

[verbal thistle]

higher base crit

[icy patrol]

But electric will get upwards of 70%

[upper sun]

rng staff my beloved...

[icy patrol]

They have the same crit at 0 peril tho

Wonder if its worth taking the double bowling ball instead of 20% less crit

[strong gulch]

Surge + nexus is meta on VS

[weary idol]

they don't

crit chance modifiers on weapons only update when they fire with the show crit chance mod

[icy patrol]

Mine do with the crit mod

both 22.50% 0 peril the electric has larger jumps in crit chance though from 0 to 100

[weary idol]

go into psykhaium and left click one time

that will show the actual crit chance

[strong gulch]

EK has crit bonus stat. It has an innate higher crit chance than other staves.

[icy patrol]

ah i see the mod misleads me

[remote nacelle]

Void blast strike very fun

[weary idol]

the mod itself mentions that the game only checks for innate weapon crit chance when it actually attacks

[icy patrol]

coming back to psyker after playing ogryn i feel stupid

psyker was og class too

think i true leveled to 35 before even starting anything else lol

[strong gulch]

It can be simple to build psyker, but the moment you start actually try to understand various things and how the interact or setting attacks up in time with x... it's a quick spiral into essay long explanations.

[analog agate]

Dude I was talking with on Reddit saying VB does just as much boss dmg as EK. I am officially done commenting on reddit posts

[strong gulch]

Maybe on bon bon, but I'd have to take a look. Otherwise BB with no mod does more.

[analog agate]

Used to be on bon. But they made bon not take extra explosive dmg a long time ago

[strong gulch]

Ye but it still does better damage to bon than the others for some reason.

[marble crater]

Triggers off soulblaze now, KF too

[strong gulch]

WTF

My EK has had cara on for IDK how long

[marble crater]

You deserve to be 3rd in queue

[fresh panther]

Position in Queue :3

[strong gulch]

😭

[strong gulch]

u right

:3

[rich spindle]

You foresaw scab rager change

[marble crater]

What was the other perk, stamina?

[strong gulch]

flak

at least that was there

[marble crater]

Good

[analog agate]

Tested it.

Total time to kill a BON with my builds.

EK No buffs: 48 sec
EK with buffs: 39 sec

VB No buffs: 1:25 min
VB with buffs: 1:19 min

[marble crater]

VB confirmed to be bad, please buff