psyker-class

[nocturne dust]

It's anti-horde, lol

[ornate hamlet]

On their heads, or as close as possible to all their heads.

[brazen rampart]

At what range?

[wispy bay]

Did you pick the upgrade for assails?

[long wharf]

shards try to target the enemy closest to your reticle

[ornate hamlet]

Like 5-10 metres. Not long range or anything.

[brazen rampart]

And are you aiming at maulers/ogryns?

[ornate hamlet]

idk, I must be doing something wrong, lol.

[nocturne dust]

I mean, none of the blitzes are better than assail against elites/specials (barring carapace), but that's cuz BB sucks

[ornate hamlet]

Maulers and ogryns, yeah.

[brazen rampart]

Assail will not pierce any carapace armor or ogryns.

[nocturne dust]

si

[long wharf]

here's your problem

[strong gulch]

Assail is great against everything except like maulers, orgryn size enemies, and monsters/ bosses.

If you weave it between your melee, you can spread the assails out more. Also getting warp splitting helps a lot. Keystone boost it a lot too, but you won't have access to at that right away.

[ornate hamlet]

I'm locking onto the high-value stuff, and that seems alright, but the regen time still feels slow, and for trash-clearing it just hits a few and then flies off and doesn't hit anything else.

[long wharf]

assail isn't for maulers and ogryns

[nocturne dust]

bulwark shields, they will hit ogryn flesh fine

[prime elk]

dude. it's the strongest blitz psyker has.

[nocturne dust]

but ogryns do generally have things that just cancel assail

[brazen rampart]

Assail is how you clear hordes with a melee weapon like a duelling sword, knife, or obscurus.

[prime elk]

god forbid it has some downsides

[nocturne dust]

Me holding down two buttons and winning the game with smite

[ornate hamlet]

Granted, my skill tree looks like this, but 😂

[placid rune]

I think assail is a middle ground between brain burst and smite, it's not the best at hoard control nor single damage but it is good at both

[brazen rampart]

The darts are not meant for elite hunting.

[placid rune]

and that's what i use it for

[long wharf]

I still want a staff that shoots a laser beam

[ornate hamlet]

It's also probably just user error, lmao.

[nocturne dust]

erm

[long wharf]

wrong

[prime elk]

smite's better for braindead gameplay yes

[nocturne dust]

get a few more points first before complaining

[wispy bay]

What difficulty are you playing on?

[strong gulch]

To be fair for right now, the aimed assail is bugged. It's targeting is messed up.

[long wharf]

shards are for hunting elites without carapace heads

[ornate hamlet]

Difficulty 3.

[placid rune]

seemingly it's kinda broken in the last update though, my lock on shards like miss half the time when before they hit every time

[brazen rampart]

No they are not lol.

[wispy bay]

Yeah, I think you don't have enough damage buff nodes...

[brazen rampart]

3 rmb darts to the face on a dreg gunner.

[ornate hamlet]

Ah, so just underlevelled then. Fair.

[nocturne dust]

doesn't need it for diff 3

[long wharf]

sounds like yours aren't critting

[brazen rampart]

I could just as easily drop him with a single revolver shot.

[nocturne dust]

They just need the cleave node

[brazen rampart]

Without a crit.

[prime elk]

tbf assail can be pretty effective against ragers and shotgunners, esp for staggering

[nocturne dust]

and soulstealer probably

[long wharf]

well yeah, revolver one-shots most things

[brazen rampart]

Assail is for hordes, not elites. You can use it in mixed hordes with great effect with buffs.

[strong gulch]

Also keep in you may need to toss out 2 regular then 1 aimed to get breakpoints on some enemies. Depends on the enemy and the dificulty.

[ornate hamlet]

hmm, okay

[brazen rampart]

You do not ever use rmb unless you're picking out a specialist that's too far to deal with in your current position.

Or if you somehow get pinned by gunners.

[strong gulch]

Assail is not just for hordes

[long wharf]

wrong again

[placid rune]

assail is mid at both

it's not the best but it can do both

[clear heath]

Assail for rager stagger is really nice too

[wispy bay]

Elite, it is good to use LMB.

[ornate hamlet]

so... what am I meant to do when I actually get the proper points into the damage and regen nodes and stuff? Do I go for single targets or hordes? Or... both?

[wispy bay]

It can usually kill shotgunner in 1 shard.

Both

[prime elk]

magdumping vraks 🚫
magdumping assail during warp unbound ✅

[long wharf]

that's certainly an option

[brazen rampart]

If it hits their face and not their helmet for a scab, yeah. Dregs have too much hp to oneshot without buff stacking.

[wispy bay]

You will learn which target you can kill, which will make assails more efficient.

[long wharf]

assail does less damage against flak

but not so little that there's no point in using it

[brazen rampart]

Like, I promise, I'm not shitting on assail, it just does not do single target as well as you think it does.

[placid rune]

just gotta spam it a little

[placid rune]

obviously, that's not it's point

[long wharf]

assail isn't a magic bullet

[brazen rampart]

That's what they're arguing though lol.

[strong gulch]

You can test in the meat grinder to get a general sense of things. Which you could get all of the buffs up easily without mods.

[long wharf]

like the OG revolver or bolt pistol

or plasma gun

[placid rune]

it's a middle ground between the single big damage of brain burst and the low damage chaff killer and stagger of smite

[brazen rampart]

Plasma gun isn't magic either, it's actually a very expensive weapon to build for. Ask Path.

[long wharf]

expensive?

[brazen rampart]

There is a right and wrong way to run it.

[brazen rampart]

Talent wise.

Need specific talents to hit specific oneshot breakpoints or its not worth using.

[wispy bay]

@ornate hamlet Also, you can pick the combustion node later, which is a huge source of damage for psyker in general.

[brazen rampart]

Boltgun is a much easier weapon to build for on vet.

But anywho, assail single target is worthless outside of specialist picking or getting yourself un-pinned by gunners, especially so when you don't have high levels to have access to buffs like dd or scriers.

[long wharf]

he just needs to play the game more

[brazen rampart]

You literally have to nail a dreg gunner 3 times in the face with an rmb dart to kill him in damnation, assuming you don't crit.

[strong gulch]

PC (perilous combustion) scales with special and elite density. So it has much higher value in harder content.

[long wharf]

learn the systems, weapons, and levels

[zinc phoenix]

Also the dart takes forever to get there

[brazen rampart]

Just stick to using your weapons for elites and specialists and assail for hordes.

[placid rune]

bolt pistol 🔥

[long wharf]

with assail specifically, there's a sweet spot for engagement distance that takes some experience to get used to

and there's an (easy) art to guiding the shard where you want it to go

helping the shards hit enemies in the right order is how you make the most of assail

the targeting isn't really smart in any way

if you aim such that a shard hits an enemy further from you than a closer one, the shard won't flip around and hit the closer one

[clear heath]

idk i just toss them and pray

[placid rune]

they also don't just do 180's if ur using lmb so u gotta actually aim em at whatever ur spiking

[marble crater]

@strong gulch why didn't you tell me that gunker is so much fun?

[long wharf]

aiming above enemy heads when you throw and then shifting to enemy heads that you want to hit helps the shard have an ideal flight path for hitting multiple heads

you have to put work into helping the shards perform their job well

[strong gulch]

I'm sorry. Please forgive. 🙏

[long wharf]

otherwise, you're just dumping shards into a crowd, crying about how they aren't killing it for you

[placid rune]

you gotta not be right in their face for a start

with crowds

[dull scroll]

https://tenor.com/view/threaten-gifkaro-here-is-my-gun-holiday-movies-gif-20885934

this is better than shard

[long wharf]

I mean, for a lot of things, you aren't wrong

the bolt pistol is surprisingly good now

[marble crater]

I don't know if I'm doing great or not, compared to my normal builds, but I'm having a lot of fun

[long wharf]

better than the zarona gun

[strong gulch]

Yeah, sometimes you have to baby sit a shard. Turn away to quickly and the shard fecks off.

Also look away from DH and bursters if you have shards flying around.

[placid rune]

[long wharf]

yep, the shards really aren't AI

[placid rune]

ive been using it for half my levels of psyker and it's been really good with assail, good all round

[long wharf]

assail is my favorite blitz

[strong gulch]

Fun important.

I get flattened a lot lmao

[long wharf]

my main loadout is fsg+assail+surge staff

[placid rune]

it also shreds mutants and bulwarks and such with usually less than a full mag

[deft stump]

Is good on every class that can get it.

[long wharf]

yeah

[marble crater]

I dodged into a crusher overhead earlier, or my team dodged it into me, still fun

[placid rune]

i keep dying, but that's coz i thought adding wounds gave me more hp

so i'll be changing that once i get home

[long wharf]

yeah, no

[strong gulch]

Have you run away from any bulwarks?

[marble crater]

No, I push attack and stab them

[dull scroll]

honestly just don't fuck with un cc'd crushers in melee, it's not worth it

[placid rune]

yesterday i got blown from a poxburster literally into the middle of a small group of poxwalkers and a gunner

great

[placid rune]

i figured, lol

[strong gulch]

I don't even have the patience for that.

[marble crater]

Or, or, I spray the reconlas into them before they get to me

[marble crater]

Yeah, try not to do that in the future

[placid rune]

i keep using smite to freeze like 5 or 6 special enemies in front of me and my team usually kills them while theyre stunned, which is super effective
but the small amount of times they don't just sucks the fun right out lol

[strong gulch]

Build crits for toughness. Totally a strat.

[placid rune]

[long wharf]

good teams don't want the enemies frozen in place, spread out, prevented from funneling into a kill box

smite is most effective in an emergency situation (uh oh, 8 bulwarks)

[placid rune]

that's what i mean

that's what i was doing

[marble crater]

Ups, all crushers

[long wharf]

or in very short bursts - smite until you have all the ones you care about dancing, and then stagger them

[placid rune]

yes

[marble crater]

Or, don't use smite at all

[placid rune]

yes, i'm thinking of switching to assail

would probably make me more capable

[strong gulch]

all smite nodes

[long wharf]

I mean, smite can absolutely make a run easier

[placid rune]

i'm using a bolt pistol for higher armoured enemies already so i just need something for weaker and hoards

[raven mountain]

Ewww

[long wharf]

but it's also very easy for it to piss off your teammates, and it can be awfully boring sitting there waiting for the team to kill stuff

[placid rune]

that too

im kinda just like ._. half the time

[placid rune]

what

what's wrong with that

[long wharf]

after seeing the BB upgrade in the Mortis Trials, I want smite changed to be that

[marble crater]

I don't care about spread out enemies because of smite, as gunker I am fast as fuck boi

[placid rune]

I haven't played mortis trials yet

[marble crater]

Noooooo

[placid rune]

what's the sorta
point

what do you get from it

[marble crater]

Power fantasy

[long wharf]

there's a power upgrade for BB that makes enemies around your BB target also get BB

it's awesome

[late sapphire]

Don't

[nocturne dust]

and then your buff expires

[nocturne dust]

yeh

[late sapphire]

It's honk shoo mimimi boring

[jovial juniper]

Lots of fun
There's also an event now so a couple mats

[late sapphire]

30min waitfest

[nocturne dust]

combine it with the spreading fire for BB

[raven mountain]

But voidblast, fgs, dueling sword, even purgatus, ways that actually kill them quickly without ammo and are all capable of killing more than one or two in a short window.

[nocturne dust]

and it goes BBBBBBRRRRRRRR

[placid rune]

i'll try it at some point, alright

[jovial juniper]

10 targets BB

[placid rune]

just need to get my build to make sense lol

[long wharf]

it's a BB shotgun

[raven mountain]

I just used to use Bistol for armor myself at some point. It feels so bad now that I know better ways of dealing with armor.

[clear heath]

the fun part of mortis trials is playing ogryn with box and trying to cause as much lag as possible

[strong gulch]

PC proccing off SB DoT makes the meat grinder continuously noisy.

[clear heath]

if someone crashes, you win

[marble crater]

Sure, but then everything is dead anyway.
Also I might drop one with the warp, whenever there is something to attack I am not at high peril because of crack of bone and the crit quell talent, toughness damage reduction at high peril is wasted

[long wharf]

true pvp

[placid rune]

of which are?

serious question

[raven mountain]

Listed then before. Fgs, dueling sword, knife, voidblast, voidstrike, even purgatus feels better into groups of armor rather than Bistol.

[placid rune]

yessss

i need to try the other staffs

i've only tried voidblast and the flame one

[raven mountain]

Like Bistol can kill a crusher. But when it's your response to armor, it feels terrible.

[placid rune]

it's a bit clunky, true

[raven mountain]

At least when there's more than one at a time.

[strong gulch]

Bcob working with staff bonk is funny

[kind spear]

Voidstrike is so satisfying when you line fools up. when you wipe out like 9 or more enemies with a single charged attack I get all cheery

[marble crater]

Staff bonk instead of shriek, new meta?

[late sapphire]

Even revo is better

[strong gulch]

shocking

[long wharf]

staff bonks should cause bleeding

[raven mountain]

I do have an assail bistol build where my ranged armor option is Bistol. But 90% of the time, I'd rather whip out my melee and kill them faster.

[strong gulch]

huh.

Does staff bonk not crit?

[nocturne dust]

soulblaze on inferno, electrocution on EK, explode the enemy on trauma, and voidstrike gets to shoot the enemy like a projectile on bonk

[long wharf]

anything'd be better than what it is now

[nocturne dust]

they could always nerf it

[strong gulch]

Oh nevermind. I just had a long unlucky streak of no crits.

[long wharf]

I still can't believe FartShack thought an appropriate alternate attack with a warp staff should be a stupid no-damage poke

[marble crater]

Make staff special a force push

[long wharf]

each staff's special attack should be related to its primary function

[strong gulch]

Uhhhh, did surge/ EK always hit enemies behind you??

[long wharf]

no?

[nocturne dust]

I'd ask for a staff rework, but I'm afraid of what they'll do to staves

[long wharf]

the staves will be replaced with various footwear

[clear heath]

500 new bugs

[strong gulch]

It's doing it sometimes in the meat grinder.

[long wharf]

slippers, crocks, sandals

and the psyker will wave them around to cast spells

[clear heath]

every psyker change requires new game breaking bugs

[marble crater]

Maybe same reason assail aiming is so wonky?

[nocturne dust]

"Trauma crashes the game when you press RMB. This will be fixed in the next hotfix."

[brazen rampart]

(It then took fatshark 5 weeks to drop said hot fix after forgetting it twice)

[marble crater]

Saying that is funny when they fixed mettle bug within two day this week

[long wharf]

"Trauma now kills the psyker when pressing RMB. Working as intended."

[strong gulch]

Crusher getting hit with EK RMB while I'm turned around.

[strong gulch]

no clue

[long wharf]

I wonder if they broke the auto-targetting

to not only be straight forwards

[marble crater]

Assail and EK both being weird, would make sense

[clear heath]

You know, every time they touch something lightning related, it causes some bugs

[strong gulch]

SO TRUE

[nocturne dust]

every time they update*

[long wharf]

and this is another reason why I call the FartShack devs incompetent

it doesn't help that the game code is Lua

[marble crater]

Is lightning the Telesto of Darktide?

[long wharf]

"Telesto"?

[marble crater]

Destiny gun that is famous for bugs, some crashing the game

[strong gulch]

Seems to more consistently hit from behind when I'm 1m away.

[brazen rampart]

They gave Banshee-44, the gunsmith, the Telesto, and it literally broke the Tower for 2 weeks.

[clear heath]

There was that time they changed surge staff vfx and it was made to be seizure inducing.
There was that time they tried to randomize gibbing effects and it randomized our targetting and broke all breakpoints and made smite headshot.
When they added smite, the chain node and EP affected the staff.
When they reworked masteries, surge got the 4 points bug
Now charged strike got buffed and it doesn't trigger kill effects on kill

fatshark has an incredibly bad track record for lightning

[long wharf]

the random limb targeting was intentional

that was their solution to get limb exploding on death

[clear heath]

It was intended to randomize gibbing effects yes

the way it fucked everything else was an afterthought

[long wharf]

smite's upgrade node was literally using the same attack object as the surge secondary

[marble crater]

So you could eat a crusher overhead, because instead of stunning the crusher in front of you, you are stunning the poxwalker behind you?

[long wharf]

which is why the upgrade node affected surge as well

FartShack's biggest problem is, IMO, source control and change management

I'm willing to bet real money that they aren't even using a source repo properly

[brazen rampart]

There have been bugs relating to the Telesto including, but not limited to

permanently exploding Telesto projectiles that would allow you to instakill raid bosses or make certain areas inaccessible in pvp to other players
looking at Telesto projectiles as they exploded would crash your game
Telesto projectiles were capable of throwing objects after they were shot into said objects, so you'd have bits of debris flying at mach fuck that would oneshot you
Bungie disabled Telesto and it fuckin re enabled itself

[cinder moon]

warp shenanigans

[long wharf]

that third point actually sounds fun

[clear heath]

oh yeah smite on it's release also tanked fps

[brazen rampart]

Oh also if the debris a projectile was stuck to despawned while you were in the instance, it would crash your game.

[long wharf]

it was also infinismite

[strong gulch]

Seems like a possibility. The main damaging hit still seems to hit the target that I'm aiming at, but the chained mostly CC hit sometimes wants to go to the target behind me vs the target next to main one I'm aiming at.

IDK if there is a predictable pattern or not.

[marble crater]

time to learn to turn a certain way mid attack to stun what we want to stun

[long wharf]

oof

[upper sun]

🤔

i SWEAR i feel something slightly different about the movement

[marble crater]

Because it is different

[upper sun]

is it?

what changed

[marble crater]

It's weird, I don't know

Less straight

[upper sun]

idk for me it feels better

my dodge slides are a lot better than beofre

[marble crater]

Wait, what are you talking about?

Dodge slides?

[strong gulch]

It feels... less sharp

[wispy bay]

Dodging speed and distance feel faster and further.

The slide does feel less sharp.

[strong gulch]

According to the movement speed indicator I have, we have higher base speed

This is incorrect. I was comparing the wrong things.

[upper sun]

yes

[wispy bay]

Interesting

Btw, Clad and Bean, can you guys help me on the Vaultspire 13 penance thing?

[marble crater]

The original conversation was about assail targeting

[wispy bay]

The 3 batteries in under 5 sec.

[upper sun]

its 2late 😭

its 1:22 am

[wispy bay]

Sleep is for the weak.

[analog agate]

I can help. I haven’t done it yet lol

Need at least a third though

[upper sun]

now its about movetech

[wispy bay]

We need 1 more guy still.

[marble crater]

You should move to bed

[upper sun]

so should u

i need might nightly ritual of listening to the horus heresy while smoking a cig outside and drinking cold water

[wispy bay]

You guys should join your bed together.

[marble crater]

No

[upper sun]

hes like

12 hours by train away from me

by then it would not be bed time anymore

[wispy bay]

There is always tomorrow.

[upper sun]

u dont know that

[strong gulch]

If you need more I can join

[analog agate]

⬆️

[wispy bay]

Turning the game on

[strong gulch]

Need a short moment then I'll be ready.

[analog agate]

FYI unless you have an MMT one vaultside isnt available atm

[marble crater]

[strong gulch]

I don't

heck

[wispy bay]

Wait out then...

[analog agate]

I'll hop on in a bit if it pops back up. Im going to try Atomfall

[strong gulch]

Maybe tonight would be iffy anyways. I forgot how to get out of the meat grinder for a solid 10 seconds.

[marble crater]

[strong gulch]

😭

[marble crater]

Please tell me you didn't leave by restarting the game

[strong gulch]

Remembered that I could leave from the glowy thing. So I ran in circles until I found it.

Brain hard

[wispy bay]

🤨

[ripe obsidian]

I got up to Havoc 33, now back down to 30. Demotion is so much fun.

[strong gulch]

Don't get brain fog. I don't recomend it.

[ripe obsidian]

I'm taking a break at the moment. This is like ten losses in a row over 2-3 days

[strong gulch]

😩 valid

[ripe obsidian]

I feel like randoms, myself included, get bogged down in the denser hordes and struggle to push forward. I don't know the solution.

[marble crater]

I didn't lose a single havoc mission in over a month (I also didn't play havoc in over a month)

[analog agate]

I’m always down to do havoc

[strong gulch]

I haven't tried the new havoc. Seems scary

[analog agate]

Did a 30. It was fine. Not bad

[ripe obsidian]

I've won a few 35s

But 35 is still only +1 from 30

So I won 3 35s, then lost a bunch of 30-35s, now back to 30

[marble crater]

Look at these VB skills to cheer up

[fresh reef]

could someone post the copypaste H40 soyker build

[marble crater]

Something like this for inferno

[fresh reef]

same build for blaze trauma I assume?

[analog agate]

Almost, but not quite

at least for me

[strong gulch]

Mutant getting tired of wall and just running through it.

And also letting go for some reason

maybe electrocuted again

[marble crater]

I only played rending trauma, but that's almost the same, trading crit talents for others instead

[fresh reef]

I assume scrier's and shriek aren't really viable?

[restive slate]

Mutie too tired, give him a break

[marble crater]

Ranged enemies were nerfed in havoc, so they might be viable now. I didn't play new havoc yet

[wispy bay]

I was playing auric mael... and 2 dead dudes just backseating and no damage...

I'm done for today.

[strong gulch]

IDK. Shooters are supposedly less of a problem and SG and DD had a buff.

[wispy bay]

No shit, it is a monstrosity auric and there is only 2 people fighting for you dipshits.

[fresh reef]

is assail still doodooass for havocs?

buffs for it kinda looked like nothing

[strong gulch]

It was buffed, yeah, but like you basically nothing.

The aimed one is bugged now.

I think pus hardened is out of rotation.

Still increases to hit mass and HP are things

[wispy bay]

What do you mean? I was running assail before the update.

[lone ravine]

Pus hardened was the ranged resist right?

[wispy bay]

yes

[strong gulch]

yes

[wispy bay]

It is only like 1/10 of the enemy get that buff, which I think people overblow the difficulty of that.

[strong gulch]

I still took EK shriek on pus hardened when we had 3 psykers.

[worthy wasp]

Psyker eating good right now

They need a couple pages of minor tweaks (mostly nerfs), some shit moved around on tree, and a complete rework/deletion of smite

[marble crater]

Higher HP pools and enemy density in havoc make assail less useful

[raven mountain]

Still wouldn't call it doodooass tho

[marble crater]

My internet is having problems and my messages are coming minutes too late for the conversation, I'm going to sleep

[strong gulch]

night night

[eager sentinel]

anyone know if sprint efficiency actually does anyhting

[raven mountain]

Pretty sure it does, but it's not needed, especially on psyker.

[lone ravine]

It makes you lose slightly less stamina per second iirc

[buoyant maple]

Specialists had 35% chance
Ranged elites had 50% chance
It was just unnecessarily annoying

[lone ravine]

But then again you can just sprint slide

[eager sentinel]

ok that makes sense

[jovial juniper]

89% ranged Dr at H1 raaaaah

[raven mountain]

psyker stamina delay is so low that a run-slide is kinda actually free to use stamina-wise.

[eager sentinel]

just been having an issue with new build so squishy and cant escape enemies

assail/ scriers

[raven mountain]

Then just kill them

why you escaping?

Scrier's is hyper damage.

[eager sentinel]

i can not nail the perma slide thing, my friend was telling me about it and i watched a video, idk

[raven mountain]

Shift while moving forward to run.
Hit crouch (I moved it to alt) while running.

repeat.

[eager sentinel]

i die in like 1 hit from any enemy reg dregsanything

[lone ravine]

Sprint sliding doesn’t make you dodge melee attacks if that’s what you thought

[eager sentinel]

no not to dodge them just to be able to put distance on them

[raven mountain]

You shouldn't be dying that hard that fast to anything but crushers. it's probably more like you're just taking damage a lot.

Push

dodge back

slide back

assail

[eager sentinel]

might be this build i didnt copy it i just did it myself and i have like no toughness nodes

[raven mountain]

Unfortunate, but it really shouldn't matter.

Like, Psyker is squishy, but it's not "omg I got touched once, I'm dead" squishy.

[eager sentinel]

i mean thats what i was thinking, more about not getting hit then having a bunch of toughness right?

yeah im not exaggerating at all regular dregs werer 1-2 tapping me

[raven mountain]

Block, push, dodge, slide, ranged stuff. It's not hard to have space. Even to create space. Especially if you have a light melee weapon.

[eager sentinel]

in the mortis trials

[radiant frigate]

get into the mindset of not being able to tank more than one hit

taking melee hits into Not Full Toughness = no bueno

[eager sentinel]

but i finsihed the trials 3 times straight before switching build and maybe went down once in those 3 matches

[raven mountain]

assail is pretty free.

Just have to be ready to switch to melee if you hear the melee whoosh.

[eager sentinel]

one sec gonna share tree dont laugh

[strong gulch]

Some melee's are faster than others with longer dodges.

[raven mountain]

Yeah, like fgs is a great horde clearer, but something like duelist or knife is just hyper mobile.

[clear heath]

I keep disconnecting wtf

[zinc phoenix]

I like sitting there smacking

[restive slate]

But my fgs beam slashes...

[zinc phoenix]

The only thing I’ve found that stops disconnect is turning graphics to potato

[raven mountain]

I've been having crashes on death since the hotfix. Prolly a bad mod.

[zinc phoenix]

I no mod

[raven mountain]

It's not as far off as you'd think.

[strong gulch]

drop WE and ES for warp splitting

[eager sentinel]

ok

[wispy bay]

I reference to the overall enemy comp. You don't see green targets that often.

[restive slate]

Is it me or does Scryier Autopistol feel really good?

[buoyant maple]

It mattered more for the enemies that need to get shot

[raven mountain]

That's kinda the skeleton

[lone ravine]

“Skeleton” as you only have 2 extra points left 💔

[eager sentinel]

first off how did u zoom out for that second where is warp splitting again?

[raven mountain]

I mean, it's not a hard fast setup, but that's where I start and tweak from there.

[left basin]

dog tide

[raven mountain]

I used https://darktide.gameslantern.com/build-editor

I guess you could call this the skeleton if you wanted to be a bit more accurate.

But I like PC and Soulstealer

[eager sentinel]

oh ok yeah my previous was off there with shield and DD , i juist havent done a few penances one being scriers gaze

[raven mountain]

But yeah, By Crack of Bone, Quick Shards, Warp Speed, Quietude, Cruel Fortune, and PC+Soulstealer are kinda easy pick ups.

depending on your preference

[eager sentinel]

ive used pysker less than any other class by far

[raven mountain]

Also, with Warp Unbound, you just unload all your assails after scrier's ends.

[eager sentinel]

wait but so u dont die fast on damnation with that

toughness for all three curios?

[raven mountain]

I run that in aurics and low havocs

1 toughness, 1 health, and depending on the melee, another toughness or a stamina.

knife/dueling sword I like to have more than 2 stamina

fgs has 5, so I feel it less.

[eager sentinel]

i do have stam on one and that stupid sprint efficiency yeah im realizing just as i type how dumb that was

[indigo basalt]

anyone got a EP build? wanna try one out.

[raven mountain]

You can honestly just start with combat regen+toughness+health for all three curios and tweak as needed from there.

[eager sentinel]

i was using it with the smite and the scream forget the name

[raven mountain]

EP with what? The three blitzes build differently.

[indigo basalt]

was wanting a brain pop with EP

[eager sentinel]

i think im gonna try to knock this scriers penance out then go back to telekine shield

[eager sentinel]

that works well also

[raven mountain]

Scrier's is super fun, but you need to actually have the basics down for it to play well.

[indigo basalt]

its just hard to give up bubble when clearing higher level things

[eager sentinel]

saw a build for bb ep just now on that link she put up there

[raven mountain]

Like, dodging, blocking, situational awareness, and being able to kill most things in a timely fashion.

[radiant frigate]

like havoc?

[worthy wasp]

I love that scriers scales directly off how good you are at the game.

Its like the opposite of smite

[radiant frigate]

what if you combine the two

[eager sentinel]

i gotta stop using controller i just cant get used to kbm

[indigo basalt]

havent done it but even for damnation i find it hard to move away

[raven mountain]

Controller is kinda ass.

[eager sentinel]

fact

i dont want to use it

[worthy wasp]

Like, if youre shit at the game you prob love/defend smite

If youre good at the game, you prob raised an eyebrow when you saw the sg buffs

[raven mountain]

If possible, even getting mid at kbm will do work for you.

[radiant frigate]

new player i presume

[eager sentinel]

i dont want to jump in the middle of a fight trust me

[indigo basalt]

yeah i maxed psyker and trying to find whats next

[radiant frigate]

[indigo basalt]

tried melee build sciers wasnt bad

[worthy wasp]

Smite = shit player's wet dream

SG = good player's wet dream

[raven mountain]

That's an EP BB core. You can also opt for double wall if you want to be cheesy, but this is pretty fine.

[indigo basalt]

i like that

[eager sentinel]

im almost mid, i have the muscle memory down for the most part but it hurts my hands lol and also when it gets hectic i panic and grab the xbox controller

[worthy wasp]

I'd trade the aura for the CDR

[deft stump]

Alt 1 for controller. Only usable preset.

[raven mountain]

Yeah, I go back and forth between auras pretty fluidly.

I prefer crit generally. CDR with bubble almost exclusively

And everything else is situational.

like if I need an extra point, cdr gets picked up.

[eager sentinel]

i have an elite 2 so i actually remapped every button a while ago for keys and even was able to map the joysticks for mouse movement but the sensitivity became super weird

[restive depot]

Ts hits sooo hard in the mortis trails too

[eager sentinel]

ive had pc since april24 so about a year now its actually embarassing i still dont use kbm all my friends get on my ass, everyone on here does, that shit doesnt hurt your hands tho?

[raven mountain]

Random notes about the build. If you kill an elite with EP BB, you'll get another EP charge, so you can go again for free. You just need to be careful to actually hit elites.

If you build up enough peril, you can shriek to kill basic horde, and that also gives you more fast casting on BB.

That's also your monster response.

[eager sentinel]

@raven mountain you have any recommendation where i can knock this scriers gaze penance out easily?

[deft stump]

I mean, I play on PC and use a controller. Even with a totally decent mouse, lul.

[raven mountain]

I don't remember the reqs. I like scrier's, so it happened naturally.

[eager sentinel]

my mouse is pretty good i think, razer basilisk or something

[deft stump]

Logi G502 Hero.

[eager sentinel]

yeah i seems like i shouldve got it already gotta kill 40 enemies with one scriers use

[raven mountain]

Higher difficulty makes it easier

[deft stump]

Auric train.

Start first hack.

Blast the train door.

[raven mountain]

You can also go reconlas + Tranquility Through Slaughter and have a ton of extra time.

[deft stump]

With Voidstrike.

[eager sentinel]

its so bad for the keyboard situation for me i was looking at some stupid looking thing yesterday and considering getting it it was like 250 bucks i forget the name

like a hand looking thing with keys in it lol idk

[raven mountain]

I've been using a razer naga for years. I'm kinda used to having like a dozen side mouse buttons now.

[deft stump]

You can get any keyboard with changable switches and get better switches... or Wooting.

I would love a wooting, but budgetless.

[eager sentinel]

i have no idea why my amazon is in spanish or how to fix that wtf

its called the cyborg or something though

yeah ive been trying to do it with assail everytime thats why im not getting the 40 yeah voidstrike should be fine

[raven mountain]

reconlas horde

in an auric

[eager sentinel]

ogg tru

ohh*

[raven mountain]

reconlas clears peril and gives more time. Voidstrike prolly works but it costs peril, so it feels less reliable.

[deft stump]

Oh, that one. Pretty sure Beans has the old classic one and they copied and updated it but way ex.

[quasi pier]

I have the opposite problem.. I can play kbm all day but controller eventually fatigues my hands

[eager sentinel]

yeah youre right, i think should be able to get it on train karien suggested gonna see now its funny that its similar to the only other penance i have left out of the classes is on my zelly with the stun grenade have to kill 40 in like 10 seconds

[eager sentinel]

thats a good problem to have in my opinion

[quasi pier]

Yea, true, for this game anyway

[eager sentinel]

i need to just throw my controller out the window and force myself to have to get better with kbm

def for this one. ok i have a plan now thx guys will let ya know how it goes in a few

[deft stump]

That one, looks weird.

[deft stump]

.-. But I play on controller just fine-ish.

[clear heath]

wtf why is the whole mission board ass

[deft stump]

Blind or blindfest or something?

[clear heath]

there's no shocktroop. Just vent, lights out, and dogs

[deft stump]

Blind and blind.

Lights out and vent purge.

[cloud night]

Goddamn melee psyker is cracked now

Crack of bone just keeps your ass in super psyker
psykerpsychosis

I mean scriees forever

[deft stump]

They buffed what did not need to be buffed.

[raven mountain]

I fucking love melee psyker

The "Oops, I thought I was a zealot" vibe

[deft stump]

Colossus vet.

[cloud night]

I've been using VB for the longest fuckin time

Been the first time I used scriers in a while
And now i feel like

[patent mango]

melee psyker probably has more build variety than zealot by this point

[cloud night]

https://tenor.com/view/running-david-martinez-cyberpunk-edgerunners-attacking-combat-gif-26911830

[raven mountain]

Yeah, I feel like a crackhead with knife scrier's

and none of that gun bs

just melee

with a voidblast to knock over bulwarks.

So i can stab them too

[deft stump]

Dodge to left poke with knoife.

[cloud night]

I use a DB for mine
Fuckin rager deleter

Knocks buls and crushers on their ass as well

[deft stump]

Vet 'nadier, so Bistol.

[eager token]

tf

[ornate hamlet]

I get this all the time

[hardy coral]

is extra cleave worth it on Inferno?

[cloud night]

k

[buoyant lake]

Who died and put her in charge

[broken carbon]

wha

do you mean from warp splitter?

on the infernus staff?

[errant pawn]

I hate that I can’t aim the assail anymore.. it doesn’t beam straight

[hardy coral]

ye, i like using it since its great for Illisi Mk V sword for clearing hordes but ive no idea if it even effects Inferno at all.

[proper osprey]

Narp inferno has inf cleave

[raven mountain]

Just ran into this. It like doesn't hit shit anymore.

[proper osprey]

Really it doesn’t even work on cleave

[errant pawn]

I’ve taken to using it as a shotgun,,, which kind of removes the coverage of ranged which was its purpose (in my build anyways..)

Guess it’s back to brain burst

[raven mountain]

Yeah. I used its rmb snipe function a couple times a map, and it feels really bad rn. I hope it's a bug and not the new functionality.

still fine at mid range, like 20-25m

but not for sniping individuals

[zinc phoenix]

Idk why they’re taking so long to add new missions to havoc

[prime elk]

already was lol

so naturally they buffed it further

[raven mountain]

Has havoc meta really moved away from bubble like they intended?

[wooden sand]

Ogryn

Theres still meta by the way

There always will be

And I think its normal

[shy pewter]

I'd say yes, bubble was there to negate shooters which was the main difficulty spike of old havoc. Shooters are more or less back to normal and they have been replaced with like 500% more of everything

Bubble is still as nice as its always been but not the cheese it was for old havoc

[raven mountain]

Also, is anyone else occaswionally unable to swap to assail?

And it's not a keyboard issue.

[proper osprey]

I couldn’t do my tknife earlier

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1165799772700033085/1244165742094581812/watermelon2.gif

Rip blitz

[raven mountain]

Yeah, gets fixed when I get grabbed by a mutie or dog or something

but it sucks to not have a blitz for a bunch of a match

[analog agate]

Having bubble is still really nice for captains/twins/bon. but isn’t mandatory

[deft stump]

Yes. Had it earlier, fixed by back button. Try pressing tab.

[zinc phoenix]

So they turned havoc into auric with a crappy rank system? 😩 skip

[analog agate]

Havoc is nothing like auric lol

So much harder

[orchid shadow]

Oof, losing the quell cancel for lift click feels rougher than I thought it would be. 😦

[zinc phoenix]

Meatwalls

[loud girder]

You'll still run into 1 billion shooters in havoc they just won't insta kill you

You'll run into 1 billion things from everything

[analog agate]

Havoc is much more monster focused now outside of the mutators

[broken carbon]

inferno and voidblast staff have infinite cleave

inferno only stops on bulwark shields

[ripe obsidian]

Havoc is mostly frustrating because of the ranking system now

The quantity of enemies is a little annoying sometimes, at least with randoms, as it's hard to make progress before 30 more maulers spawn

[analog agate]

VB is honestly king still. Enraged is the counter but VB still rocks

[hardy coral]

this entire time i havent been using Wildfire since i thought it limited the amount of stacks i can put on an enemy but turns out its actually great for clearing everything, it also procs BB on Elites.

[raven mountain]

SB proccing KF is honestly mostly a buff for PC, Wildfire, and Shriek.

maybe VB too

[hardy coral]

BB can pretty much insta kill smaller Elites which procs Wildfire which then kills more enemies which could also kill elites and proc BB again, its quite amusing doing nothing and something dies in the distance, lol.

its super nice with SoulDrinker too since i can just constantly top up my toughness.

[nocturne dust]

thammer stonks?

[dull scroll]

actually managed to get somebody TS on a 37

but twins, holy shit

[nocturne dust]

Inferno is not stopped by shields

[raven mountain]

Yep, never has been afaik

[nocturne dust]

I think it was at one point due to a bug?

but that was a long time ago iirc

[clear heath]

probably thinking of flamers

[nocturne dust]

Zealot moment

[clear heath]

wait

no it does block inferno

the shield is just really bad at it

You have to be aiming at a pretty precise angle for it to block the fire

You pretty much have to be point blank and aiming right into it

[nocturne dust]

I literally do that in the video

[clear heath]

It's really precise. Look at the second bulwark i try to flame halfway through

[nocturne dust]

That's a worthless amount of precision

[clear heath]

I do vaguely remember purg getting blocked a long time ago. Maybe it's back from when bulwark shield blocked the entire front side of the bulwark

Bulwark shield hitbox used to be actually horrible

[nocturne dust]

yes

Well, for all intents and purposes, it's not blocked

I really need EP to recharge on special kills

[clear heath]

They're actually so bad at blocking it. Even for this, you can burn them by aiming slightly lower

just aim for their toes lmao

[nocturne dust]

Does it work if you aim up too?

[clear heath]

Kinda. Not as much but a few ticks sneak through

I imagine aiming above their shield would work well if you were standing on higher ground

but this is pointless anyways cause realistically you'd just hit their arms if you aim slightly to their sides. They're not usually standing in formation like this

[shy pewter]

Yeah you could shoot them directly in their unprotected face but because you were shooting from the "front" it would get blocked anyway

[shy pewter]

Thats super good to know about their toes lol

[clear heath]

Went digging for old clips of bulwark hitboxes and found this

truly incredible times

[nocturne dust]

Ogryn toes weak to fire

[broken carbon]

unless they just fixed that i could’ve sworn it stopped on bulwarks

ik they changed bulwark interactions with flames

[clear heath]

it does. scroll a bit after that message

Bulwark shields are just really bad at it now because their shield hitboxes aren't big enough

[broken carbon]

i see

[broken carbon]

this had to have been due to the recent change

i remember testing it before and almost their full shield would block it

they’d still burn but it would stop cleave

[haughty star]

is mettle fixed?

[nocturne dust]

si

[haughty star]

ty

[broken carbon]

bring it back

it was the only thing that could keep a psyker in check..

[paper harbor]

i noticed, just hated

[broken carbon]

that’s really old

their shields r accurate now

[nocturne dust]

Shush Zealot, you should enjoy the success of your comrades

[paper harbor]

im going to test it then

[wispy bay]

I just got a mission abort as psyker again...

[nocturne dust]

@strong gulch I did it
https://youtu.be/FGNr7Y-eEgk

I'ma be real

[steep crow]

Just started playing, any tips on what to upgrade and such?

[nocturne dust]

I still hate Brainburst. It's too slow.

[strong gulch]

Yay. I will have a watch

[steep crow]

Just got to lv6 and got the chain lighting that stuns cause Ik ima be bad and want a more supportive approch whilist I learn so thought that one would be the best?

[nocturne dust]

Assail is generally the best blitz for levelling

support isn't really a thing in this game, psyker's most supportive build (trauma/bubble) is also one of its most damaging

[broken carbon]

use assail whilst leveling, its damage is amazing in lower difficulties

smite is more of either a high skill ceiling use, or an extremely low skill floor use

not really much in between

[nocturne dust]

and the annoyance with no EP stack on specials

It's not bad in Mortis, just lots of little annoyances that make it unfun for me

[broken carbon]

brain rupture is cool but it charges super slowly, so without the center keystone, it can really feel weak

[cloud night]

I agree

[broken carbon]

it is 1:23 am and i should probably sleep

hrm

many such cases

[cloud night]

real

[worthy wasp]

Do yall think Mortis Trials will last the test of time?

Or do yall think itll wind up dead before long?

[nocturne dust]

Those are rookie numbers

[broken carbon]

unless damnation spawns get fixed, it’ll end up dead methinks

[nocturne dust]

Depends how Fatshark supports it, really

[shy pewter]

If they add more difficulties to it I think it will last

[broken carbon]

i’ve ruined my sleep schedule so i’m trying to fix it

i’m just

not eepy rn

[nocturne dust]

Nah, plenty of people playing lower difficulties in normal mode

[shy pewter]

Rn its fun but theres no enemies to use your cool powers on

[strong gulch]

For psyker specifically, assail (left side blitz) will be your friend. It bypasses the early cruddy gear.

Low stat and low perk + blessing weapon are pretty bad; and in some cases don't represent the late game version at all. Staves the especially bad about this. The first staff you unlock is voidblast; and that one is great at high investment but doodoo when you unlock it.

Don't worry too much about upgrading or buying weapons every chance you get, but also have fun experimenting with weapons to give you an idea for what you want to first invest in later.

But materials are ultimately just time, so do what seems fun or engaging to you.

[broken carbon]

malice spawns about a third more enemies than damnation for some reason, so the spawns r broken

[loud girder]

The whole damnation vs malice thing didn't apply for me
I got more spawns on damnation
The waves are just too random
1 wave is 80% chaff and the other one is 10 bosses and billion snipers

[nocturne dust]

me sleeping 2 hours while standing in the shower between the hours of 8 and 10 AM and calling that a night's rest:

[broken carbon]

the couple of matches of damnation i’ve played are just incredibly boring

[nocturne dust]

[broken carbon]

idk

darktide has become boring due to power creep

which is sad

[nocturne dust]

Nerf yourself

[broken carbon]

i main mk3 evis lmfao

i already have

[nocturne dust]

You can do it harder

[broken carbon]

also i’m not playing psyker or ogryn

[nocturne dust]

I doubt you're playing without blessings/talents

altho Mortis is easy

but some people like easy

[broken carbon]

i’ve done an auric without talents by accident once

sucked

[loud girder]

Try a duo from what I noticd objective waves get crazier the more u stay in the objective
But in general the mode is just for funsies in it's current states tbh

[broken carbon]

but i did it

[broken carbon]

yah i need to duo mortis

[cloud night]

Holy shit

[broken carbon]

i’ll probably do it with ainz

[verbal thistle]

Sure

[broken carbon]

because cica hates me

[broken carbon]

LMFAO

hi ainz

stalker

[verbal thistle]

day 1 egg and I did duo with grey weapons

hi

[nocturne dust]

https://tenor.com/view/fucked-up-messed-up-deformed-gif-26450919

[verbal thistle]

I just got back

[broken carbon]

bro got a little excited..

[loud girder]

Nah ainz too good
Duo with a n00b

[broken carbon]

when’re u next free

[verbal thistle]

I blame this beast

[cloud night]

Understandable
I look like a fucking raccoon bc of my insomnia

[verbal thistle]

for pressing caps lock

[broken carbon]

throw like football

[loud girder]

Today

[broken carbon]

idk if i’ll be on actually

i’ve got plans all day today

[loud girder]

It's fine lmao it'll probably be unplayable on NA for me and EU for u anyway

[verbal thistle]

speaking of lag

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1277677568702681128/1354987851086823424/stonesandallthat.mp4?ex=67e74a46&is=67e5f8c6&hm=25b52151be435de2475a503a0bcdc84be99f46c84a86e202faff0d6bb9952666&

me playing havoc in EU

[broken carbon]

true

[nocturne dust]

lol, been me since the update

[loud girder]

Rubber banding my beloved

[nocturne dust]

I wonder if it's all the players returning

[verbal thistle]

its the servers

[steep crow]

Ty, yeah idk. Just wanted to be more supportive hence why I used the lighting stun cause I use it on hordes and then switch bard to either gun/meele to kill when stunned or just try help the team.
Yeah idk what weapons to buy and such so might just avoid the shop in general. But with gun/meele mastery.. is there a specific thing I should be upgrading with the points and is there a way to reset it..? cause kinda just did random things on my first unlockl cause idk any better >.>

[nocturne dust]

well yeah, but I wonder if it's the servers crumbling under the weight of the returning players

[verbal thistle]

more than 10 players

[loud girder]

Insane how I play with a Canadian friend more than eu folks
Idk how he puts up with ping and lag

[verbal thistle]

dies

[verbal thistle]

I think the best way to level is to just use what weapons the empeoer gives you after mission win

they are usually leveled

[loud girder]

Steam players doubled
Server ate shit

[verbal thistle]

and saves you mats

so when you reach level 30 (the cap) then you start min maxing

[nocturne dust]

https://tenor.com/view/sad-fade-fade-away-disappear-evaporate-gif-16638726229780416323

[verbal thistle]

and finding what you like

[steep crow]

What about the mastery points tho..?

Just don't use em?

[buoyant maple]

It’s crumbling under ogryn boxes

[verbal thistle]

just start unlocking everything

in the end just master everything

every weapon is viable

[buoyant maple]

New ogryn tree is truly insane

[steep crow]

I though they had limited points in the mastery bit tho?

[nocturne dust]

but some are more viable than others

[buoyant maple]

x400+% melee damage

[verbal thistle]

and since fun is subjective who knows what you will find enjoyable

[buoyant maple]

For playing the game

[verbal thistle]

every weapon max mastery will have all blessings unlocked

makes sense?

[verbal thistle]

I did my 1st ogryn solo 1st try

shrumple as

[nocturne dust]

https://tenor.com/view/best-in-life-gif-26485838

[loud girder]

Honest class btw

[buoyant maple]

Havoc or AM

[strong gulch]

What ainz said. Mastery points are easy to get and to get the 4th level of blessings, you have to unlock the 3rd level.

[verbal thistle]

baross, moebian shock troop

[buoyant maple]

Based

[verbal thistle]

48min

[steep crow]

Yeah, just thought there was only like 10 tokens or something spread out with like 3x10 catorgoies like more damage to specials/elites and cleave damage and such

[buoyant maple]

Did u see the branx clips I posted @verbal thistle

[verbal thistle]

the special into 1tap?

something like that

[buoyant maple]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/985983134275366943/1354901937123754054/Warhammer_40000_Darktide_2025.03.27_-_15.35.42.01.mp4?ex=67e6fa42&is=67e5a8c2&hm=a47856fcac75107494cf26c7efa29737a9259fbd3e6c8760e84ac23993809fb5&

[verbal thistle]

ah

yeah

[hollow current]

Ammo pick ups? Run ruined.

[verbal thistle]

been running thunderous SC mk3 shovel in havoc

so fun

[buoyant maple]

I think headtaker + torment is the way for branx

[loud girder]

Safe to say there's officially 0 """honest""" classes in the game now

[strong gulch]

You can play with the weapons in games or get them to green (consecrate or by) and then sacrifice them at hadron. The same weapons give more XP for that weapon.

[buoyant maple]

Vet somehow is the least cheesy of the 4

Idk how we got here but we did

[verbal thistle]

you ever talk with keje, path?

[buoyant maple]

Noe

[loud girder]

Bbbbbbbut shout....

[verbal thistle]

we talk about vet alot and it always comes down to Vet is the worst class

[buoyant maple]

I don’t think I’m on when he’s on

[verbal thistle]

even before ogryn update

(havoc mindset)

vet is only support

[buoyant maple]

Vet in havoc was 2x effort for 0.5x impact

[verbal thistle]

cant excel in anything

[buoyant maple]

Pretty much

[verbal thistle]

while the other 3 stomp

[loud girder]

But le survivalist and piss toughness

[buoyant maple]

U do a bit of everything but u have no specialization and the “jack of all trades” schtick falls off pretty quick in havoc

[nocturne dust]

Vet is lore accurate random guardsman

[buoyant maple]

Granted

Power sword is pretty strong rn

But there aren’t nearly as many ways to make vet a top performer

U get basically 3 choices in melee and 3 in ranged

[nocturne dust]

I'm sure after they buff Zealot out the wazzooo, they'll do Vet next. And then Psyker. And then Ogryn. And then-

[buoyant maple]

Zealot is being looked at, veteran might be next year

As for psyker

[nocturne dust]

Yeah, that's my point

[buoyant maple]

~80 nerfs then they’ll be fine

[loud girder]

I'm still bad at vet
For the longest time I thought it's THE class for best ranged dmg and gameplay with weapons like exec bolter and plasma and crit recon but apparently it's not somehow lmao?

[verbal thistle]

psyker exists

[buoyant maple]

Psyker tree’s structure is actually quite good

But psyker tree is the illusion of choice

Some stuff need to be shifted around to force decisions

There’re a total of 2 important decisions to make in current psyker tree and that’s like, it

[nocturne dust]

Now that I disagree with

[buoyant maple]

That’s ok

[dull scroll]

they need to buff smite, that way I can take it easy like the newbies instead of breaking fingers on this VB 👍

[nocturne dust]

There will always be a max-meta path, but Gunker/Staffker both have varied builds just in this Discord. Heck, I have varied builds for them.

[haughty star]

personally i think psyker is one of the most varied lol

if not the. i have two psykers just for all the different builds i use so i don't have to mess with it

[nocturne dust]

I have literally run out of UI space for psyker loadouts

[drifting steeple]

that reminds me

[drifting steeple]

i need to download that mod lol

[nocturne dust]

and yes, I know what each one does

[strong gulch]

I have charged strike in a build somewhere.

I have varried builds

[strong gulch]

how to you get more that 12. I have the mod that give more loadouts and character slots

but 12 is like the max

[nocturne dust]

edit the mod

[dull scroll]

I have two copies for each setup because if two psycker there will always have dup cd passive in lobby

[nocturne dust]

[buoyant maple]

Psyker tree has the issue of placing everything good in ~the same paths so you end up with not that much variety

It needs to be split up a bit more

[nocturne dust]

It's just a single line in the mod's file that you have to edit, it's literally just changing the number

I think the mod page even says as much

[strong gulch]

Oh. Oh no. I know not the ways and I will never rmemeber to look it up.

[nocturne dust]

is simple

enter folder

find script

open in text editor

find number

change from 12 to what you want

[haughty star]

such as? there's only two paths to go down the tree on any stage in it with it splitting up into 3 for ults and auras and such

and both are objectively good in their own right

[buoyant maple]

For example
Going from CDR aura into One With The Warp is like, basically free

The only “choice” u make in that section is whether or not your weapon supports EE well

[nocturne dust]

I have it set to 36

[strong gulch]

oh thanks!

[buoyant maple]

That section could be broken down a bit to enforce let’s say, left aura has stronger pathing into OWTW

[nocturne dust]

not that I reached 36 before running out of UI

[buoyant maple]

So you indirectly nerf CDR by making a different route more attractive

[haughty star]

or if you're going down to scriers owtw is a pretty easy drop if you don't have the points for it

[buoyant maple]

Yea, that’s the other build where it runs into essentially the same issue because EE is now in the same spot of being a free pickup

You’re looking at 2 strong auras going directly into 2 very strong talents

[nocturne dust]

sure, but a lot of my builds skip OwtW

Especially Havoc ones

[strong gulch]

I feel so freeeee

[nocturne dust]

No need for TDR if you don't get hit

[buoyant maple]

I just think psyker tree has a lot of these small things that could be made better

[strong gulch]

Even less reason for me to have multiple psykers

[buoyant maple]

It really is the illusion of choice

[nocturne dust]

It always is tho?

[buoyant maple]

Veteran is not illusion of choice
Veteran makes choices by paying point tax

There’s a very noticeable difference in that

[nocturne dust]

Sure, but also I don't like vet's tree

[buoyant maple]

New ogryn tree is quite good in that respect because u will eventually end up having to make pretty hard decisions on what to take

[loud girder]

How do u like ogryns tree having so many good talents u end up literally not being able to get what u want cause everything's good

[buoyant maple]

Granted I think it has issues too

[loud girder]

Oh timing

Lmao

[buoyant maple]

Bottom middle is far too stacked

[strong gulch]

Take that. I broke my loadout

[buoyant maple]

Bottom middle for ogryn warrants like 5 talent points minimum

Unless you’re gunlugger

[nocturne dust]

I think that's just a matter of Psyker's builds being very weapon-dependent more than anything tho

Like, left is warp, right is not, and middle is blitz

[buoyant maple]

Not more than vet

[nocturne dust]

and psyker doesn't even really have a middle

[nocturne dust]

That's a lie

[buoyant maple]

Vet has specific breakpoints to think about for weapons

Psyker doesn’t

Your warp stuff more or less take similar talents

[nocturne dust]

Sure, but Psyker's builds literally do not function on other weapons

[buoyant maple]

Your gun stuff more or less take similar talents

What’s the lie

[nocturne dust]

Like, DD does not function well with Inferno

But +elite works on every weapon

for vet

[buoyant maple]

It’s unequally beneficial for some

[nocturne dust]

Sure, but it's still an option, especially if you have other considerations/want to be off-meta

[buoyant maple]

You’re mistaking core build logic vs specific talent picks that are specific to certain weapons for specific purposes

[nocturne dust]

No?

[buoyant maple]

Ya you are

It’s ok

[nocturne dust]

Psyker's branches fundamentally do not work with the wrong weapons

[buoyant maple]

I can get what you’re saying

Then again psyker’s branches are so clearly defined in what they’re supposed to be good at it’s kind of difficult to do it wrong

[nocturne dust]

I mean, if you take gunker on leftside, you're clearly doing it wrong

[buoyant maple]

Whereas u look at superiority complex and you rly need to know a lot more things to decide whether u actually need it or not

[verbal thistle]

are you?

I take VA bubble siphon

if I want a chill game

[nocturne dust]

But my point is psyker's 'illusion of choice', I think, is down to how well-defined and rigid their talents are.

Not the pathing.

There are very clear do's and don'ts for psyker, like you don't take warp siphon with Scrier's, and you don't take DD with any staff that isn't voidstrike

[strong gulch]

holding FGS like a knife lmao

[nocturne dust]

Force knife real????

[hardy coral]

Wildfire is amazing, this is only a Rank 30.

[strong gulch]

🙏

[summer prairie]

I too attribute all my damage to a random node I pick

[dull scroll]

need ovenproof's scoreboard to see the damage breakdown

that could very well be a 2mil FGS 😱

[nocturne dust]

Doesn't breakdown by node

[plucky flax]

All my damage came from the warp charges I hold onto

[verbal thistle]

Yes

[dull scroll]

no but at least you can see the warpfire dmg which gives you some idea

[verbal thistle]

Stop hording the psyker souls

[plucky flax]

Never press f = always extra damage

[hardy coral]

its because Wildfire procs BB and kills elites which spreads soulblaze, enemies die by soulblaze which spreads even more and also activates BB again, its a dumb cycle which is amusing to me.

that's with mostly Melee enemies too, so Maulers, Crushers, Flak ragers.

[dull scroll]

warpfire proc'ing bb is the thing that changed me from rend to blaze on that VB train lately

[hardy coral]

i just gotta be careful when pushing Bursters since the push can trigger BB. ive had it happen once or twice.

[dull scroll]

wait what, what weapon were you using?

[hardy coral]

Illisi Mk V

[dull scroll]

the force pushes, interesting

[nocturne dust]

push doesn't

push attack does

Don't attack with push, even on force swords

[wind spruce]

DD trauma is based

[nocturne dust]

Propaganda spread by precog lover

[strong gulch]

Yeah the recent change of KF proccing on most DoTs now is silly. I didn't understand why it only worked on regular burn DoT.

It used to work on bleed a long time ago, but for awhile only regular fire burn DoT would do it.

[hardy coral]

could be since i play at 170-200ping on NA servers since my home server is dead so i dont even see the swing that taps the burster.

[wind spruce]

I have been foiled

[strong gulch]

I'm pro DD trauma

[hardy coral]

also i see they changed the Brittleness blessing on Inferno which is pog.

[strong gulch]

SB DoT proccing PC is such a stealth buff. I can't get over it.

[plucky flax]

Nobody asked for burga buff

[strong gulch]

What's the pen flames change? @nocturne dust

[nocturne dust]

hm?

[plucky flax]

Fs was like okay sure let's make it more op

[nocturne dust]

wdym?

[dull scroll]

I've noticed something off when the elite group kept dying by themselves in psyh on an endless cycle

[summer prairie]

with the new purloin providence you can keep casting at 100% as long as you kill a blue guy, that's almost decent with trauma until you miss

[strong gulch]

Apparently there was a change? Idk if it's just blessing text or not.

[summer prairie]

it's not a direct change to PC

[nocturne dust]

I haven't paid attention

[plucky flax]

Syllo wanna duo today? I want to make oggy vid

[summer prairie]

sure

[plucky flax]

Some monsters maelstrom

[strong gulch]

Never even noticed it was buffed

[verbal thistle]

100% chance for 5% peril reduction

On destiny target kill

[pliant sage]

Psyker question in trials

does soulblaze count as burn stuff

for the burn related perks

[summer prairie]

for example which one?

[nocturne dust]

no

[pliant sage]

bonus damage against burning enemies one

[strong gulch]

burn and SB are different

[summer prairie]

it checks for keywords.burning so no

or hmm

it might work

I think the flamer also gets the burning keyword from that template

[static escarp]

Is Mettle fixed yet?

[strong gulch]

The burn from those trial buffs if regular fire and I know with the way KF previously behaved, regular fire and SB where different.

Idk how that applies here and idk how to read code.

The animations in trails don't seem keep both types of fire. IDK how that might apply either. Just visual or not.

[strong gulch]

yes

[summer prairie]

there's another mortis buff that only works if damage type is burning so that definitely wouldn't work

[ornate hamlet]

Do I need a really solid build as Psyker to play at Difficulty 5? I want to try and do Auric Maelstrom as Psyker but I'm nowhere near there talent tree wise or skill-wise yet, so just wondering what things I need to work on before I get there.

[verbal thistle]

Darktide breaks down, usually, like 50% build 50% skill

Any build and any weapon can be used and won with

But it takes a lot of skill for some

[ornate hamlet]

Hmm, okay.

I've noticed that build matters a lot for Psyker.

Feels super weak without proper nodes taken.

[verbal thistle]

Yes that is common for the glass cannon build

[ornate hamlet]

Ogryn I could sort of just... not care, and smash them lol.

[verbal thistle]

Not many damage reduction talents

[strong gulch]

From the healthbar mod, there is "Shoe burn stacks" option un toggle features. It's adds both SB and regular fire stacks together. I know that's a mod, but it's interesting.

[plucky flax]

99% build 1% skill smite

[worthy wasp]

The game would def be better if it were removed outright. Doesnt even need to be replaced.

[autumn smelt]

https://tenor.com/view/persona-4-p4-p4g-persona-4-golden-peak-gif-11229309222352318392

[summer prairie]

should be a regular bb upgrade node

[nocturne dust]

lmao I had the opposite reaction and kinda hated it

Still too slow for me

[autumn smelt]

if you have the fire spread node, each kill spreads 10 burn nearby

[nocturne dust]

I did have it

But everyone else killed things faster 😭

[autumn smelt]

thats why i just went and soloed it instead

and its so peak

[nocturne dust]

fair

the radius for the extra bursts feels a little small sometimes, I think you rarely ever get the full 10

excluding times when you're alone and eating the horde with it I guess

[autumn smelt]

the burn spread on BB is the much better one

but when paired together its "bb 1 dude next to a boss and now hes capped at 31 burn"