psyker-class

[raven mountain]

I use the 6, so the post push is a sweep. But I get stabs as part of my heavy combo.

[long wharf]

there's ways to adjust that - it could only take up to 50% peril

[raven mountain]

The stabs do a ton of work too.

So basically better shriek without a cooldown?

[long wharf]

frankly, I'd approach psyker mechanics a little differently, anyways

I've always thought that peril should be a currency, not just strictly a penalty

[prime elk]

it's NOT a penalty

in what world is it a penalty lol

[raven mountain]

Isn't it a currency?

[long wharf]

some things build up peril (keep the self-detonation), some things should spend it

[prime elk]

the game actively encourages you to build up as much peril as possible

[long wharf]

not really

[raven mountain]

You have so much to spend. And if you go over, it's bad.

[prime elk]

yes really

[long wharf]

you can play that way, but it's by no means required

[prime elk]

the only exception to that is if you play SG

[long wharf]

you don't have to edge 90+ peril at all to be extremely effective

[prime elk]

you're playing psyker objectively incorrectly if you think it's not required

no, you don't need to be at 90 peril all the time

[long wharf]

Warp Rider is not a gameplay-changing node

[prime elk]

but yes, building peril is very important

[prime elk]

bonus damage, bonus crit, bonus tdr, free toughness restore when needed

so yes, high peril is very much encouraged, esp on staffker

[raven mountain]

It is if you want more damage. And staffs have increased crit with varying effects. You can get cleave from peril as well as toughness too.

[long wharf]

where do you get cleave for staff attacks based on peril?

[prime elk]

oh yeah forgot about cleave

yeah there's a talent for bonus cleave too

[long wharf]

for melee

[raven mountain]

Warp Splitting node.

It doesn't say melee.

[upper sun]

the wrong side of the tree

[raven mountain]

It's cleave.

[prime elk]

not just melee

[raven mountain]

Works on assail at a minimum.

[upper sun]

i like this game mode :3

[raven mountain]

It's just on the melee side of the tree.

[long wharf]

huh, you're right, it doesn't say melee, could have sworn it did

well alright

[raven mountain]

It is "just stats" for edging peril, but it's a lot of different stats.

[prime elk]

it's basically everything relevant lol

[raven mountain]

And they give you tools to stay high as well with the warpshock activation and Warp Unbound.

[sturdy reef]

the 50% peril reduction doesnt seem to be working

on sg cast

[long wharf]

and someone has tested that the additional cleave affects assail shards?

[raven mountain]

If you get a low WR fgs, a single activation is like 45%

[prime elk]

yes

[marble crater]

Do you just pick something at the start or can you pick different abilities after the waves?

[raven mountain]

Long time ago.

[long wharf]

alrighty then, guess I stand corrected

though that's not the same as spending peril

[upper sun]

some times you can pick sometimes you get a random one related to the first thing you picked

[raven mountain]

Including creating charts for WS+the piercing node+EP

[marble crater]

I see

[raven mountain]

You're spending time.

[long wharf]

you're incentivized to stay high peril, but I'd personally still like to see things that cost peril to activate

it's not currently a currency

[analog agate]

If you are in game can you see if you can slide with staff/slide charge with it? A user was saying it stops you from sliding with staff and only can with melee

[upper sun]

🤔 whwat should i play for damnation

[sturdy reef]

I was able to slide with inferno

[long wharf]

ogryn

[raven mountain]

The balancing act is usually peril vs time. Not peril vs peril.

[upper sun]

🤔 vet maybe

[upper sun]

what build

[sturdy reef]

vet weapons specialist

DBS

combat axe

[long wharf]

any build that's halfway coherent

[sturdy reef]

so nice

[long wharf]

ogryn's are much more viable now

[upper sun]

ye like gunlugger or melee

[raven mountain]

Can balance peril by natural quell. Active quell. Shriek (which also benefits from high peril). By crack of bone. Etc. All of it costs time.

[upper sun]

i dont think i played gunlugger in months

[long wharf]

then do that

[upper sun]

🫡

i hope i get regenerating nukes

[long wharf]

that'll be a $5 service fee for services rendered

[upper sun]

shit would be so funny

[analog agate]

Gunlugger penances are only penances I have left for class penances

[raven mountain]

So what you're borrowing against is time, not strictly the currency of peril numbers.

[upper sun]

ill write you a check expect it in 3-900 business days

[long wharf]

you're playing semantics - you aren't "borrowing" nor "spending" time

time progresses outside of your control

it's not a currency

[clear heath]

shriek costs peril
It's just free and has a weak effect if ur poor

[long wharf]

you can look at it that way, but it's the only thing we have that operates as such

[prime elk]

bro called quietude

[granite gorge]

ER or POTS for trauma staff

?

[long wharf]

I'd like to see some mechanics that invert the peril behavior

more effect for having less peril

but only after spending peril

[analog agate]

ER

Imo, pots only for inferno. ER for EK and VB

[prime elk]

this is the way

[long wharf]

uh

[sturdy reef]

POTS so nice

[long wharf]

is there ever a reason to take Empyric Resolve?

[sturdy reef]

yes

other staves

[long wharf]

why would you suffer the toughness gain loss?

[clear heath]

more casts while staying at high peril

more dps

[analog agate]

Yes?

The toughness loss isn’t that bad. And your dmg potential is worth it

[prime elk]

i think dude is trying to learn how to play psyker again

[long wharf]

man, look

[raven mountain]

You're basically looking for peril to be balanced around building and spending it using different abilities like we already have with shriek but extended.

We already do balance peril against time rather than against itself. It's a currency regardless of the way you look at it. You just want the currency to spend differently or both ways.

It's all semantic regardless.

[analog agate]

Don’t you go all Tanner on me phoenix. Don’t you dare do it

[long wharf]

1. I'm not the absolute best of players

[sturdy reef]

er lets you spam more

means more damage

[long wharf]

2. my knowledge of the intricacies of the psyker have evidently staled since I last dug through the game's Lua

[sturdy reef]

the TGH regen penalty is fine

you can play around it

[raven mountain]

ER is a reasonable choice. And most things aren't going to be chipping you to death. 30% more toughness gen isn't going to save you from 5 ragers or a crusher overhead.

[prime elk]

i hardly feel the toughness regen penalty tbh

[raven mountain]

It's more like it'll help you against some gunners or the odd horde melee.

[long wharf]

wouldn't the -40% peril generation hurt your ability to rapidly get back to the peril level you want to be at, though?

[analog agate]

Yesish

[raven mountain]

It's a thickener.

If you quell to 0, it's bad

[clear heath]

aside from the fire staff, you generally make peril quickly anyways

and yeah just don't quell as much

[raven mountain]

If you quell to like 60, then you have more time between 60 and 100

[long wharf]

that makes sense

[analog agate]

I have definitely missed the increased ramp up of peril with EK build for shriek. BUT that is why you can use either fgs or illisi and stroke away

[prime elk]

ER feels really bad on purg

but all the other staves it's helpful

[long wharf]

I'll have to play with it to see if my level of skill feels that toughness gain loss

what does "going all Tanner" even mean?

[raven mountain]

I don't mind it much on purge when I'm going bubble. But I hate it when I'm going shriek. I simply can't build it fast enough to shriek in a timely fashion.

[clear heath]

I think tanner went on a rant about er being bad at some point

[long wharf]

I use shriek in almost every build

[raven mountain]

But also, with pots being live, it's actually a consideration.

I use shriek in about half my builds. The rest are split evenly between bubbles and scrier's.

[long wharf]

I just don't like SG

[analog agate]

Tanner made a video where he talked about all the psyker talents. He dumped on ER by (rightly) pointing out the negatives. But he doesn’t/didn’t take into account the gestalt of the build with that talent.

He was advocating for pots (even though broken) and was saying in good psyker wasn’t using ER.

And most of the people I have talked with on this got their info from Tanner

[clear heath]

yeah inferno staff it feels like a chore to get peril back up after a shriek if you have ER.
Not an issue with other staves. Takes like a couple seconds maybe after a shriek

[long wharf]

and I only run bubble on my pure support build for the harder content

PotS is/was broken?

[clear heath]

it didn't work before this patch

[raven mountain]

My only issues with scrier's is remembering to push the button and that weird cast animation that stops you from running.

[prime elk]

should be fixed now, finally

[long wharf]

that's disappointing to learn

[prime elk]

just keep spamming F the entire game if it's not on

it comes back up so Fing quickly

and now with BCOB buffed even further, for reasons

[raven mountain]

Until today it was effectively an empty node. So the choice was ER or nothing. Sometimes nothing was better, others ER.

[prime elk]

it's going to be even more stupid

[clear heath]

now that scriers quells you, pressing scriers on cooldown is even more mindless.
No chance of wasting it by being at high peril already

[prime elk]

oh right lmfao

so fucking handheld

[clear heath]

just press button
no thoughts

[prime elk]

gotta dumb it down to the lowest common denominator

[raven mountain]

Yeah. 1/3 of the reason to go shriek is kinda killed by scrier's.

And the new peril reduction makes it even more mindless.

[long wharf]

I think SG is too brain-dead

there's literally no risk with it

[sturdy reef]

it didnt reduce my peril when I activated

prob bugged

[raven mountain]

It wasn't hard to get to like 15 stacks even just left clicking with a dagger.

[long wharf]

it really doesn't fit with the rest of psyker's design

[raven mountain]

Yeah, that's only half stacks, but that's also 0 effort to keep it low. Not sure what numbers they're expecting people to hit with all the buffs to it.

[cosmic sigil]

Warp infused warriors are a thing

[sturdy reef]

SG thematically is fine

[raven mountain]

Plus, psykers have a lot of synergy with crits.

[long wharf]

I disagree, because the psyker's gameplay is marked by controlled (ideally) peril gain

SG is the opposite of that

[cosmic sigil]

tbh as right wing taxe psyker, i should be overjoyed by the buffs... it's everything i use. Instead I am like... so i win more?

[long wharf]

you're either fighting buildup you can't ultimately stop or you just don't care and get 10 seconds of max peril free expenditure

I'd rather SG be "Jump your peril to 100% immediately and get 10 seconds of free warp usage"

[raven mountain]

Warp Unbound is a bit off thematically, but SG is right on target thematically.

Maybe you take issue with mechanics, but in universe it makes sense.

[long wharf]

all I ever talk about is mechanics

[raven mountain]

What doesn't make sense is how controlled peril is mechanically compared to thematically.

[long wharf]

I'm a systems engineer

how complex systems interact, and their design, is my thing

[cosmic sigil]

i'd like that and with peril being quelled now i can't do that anymore

[long wharf]

all that said, the most fun I have with psyker is throwing assail shards

[raven mountain]

Warp peril is like taking a shovel to the ocean and trying to push it back, thematically.

[long wharf]

and now the fgs special

gimme 10 seconds of unlimited assail pls

[sturdy reef]

SG is another way to control peril with WU

[long wharf]

that's true

[raven mountain]

Honestly, I love WU. Let me have all those juicy peril bonuses.

[long wharf]

... I'll revisit assail+SG once the hotfix for Mettle drops

[raven mountain]

Yeah. I don't think a couple of my builds will survive the 30 stack ban.

80% crit knife will get there fast.

[long wharf]

for Empowered Psionics, the Overpowering Souls node should proc on anybody in coherency killing an elite

I don't like mechanics that make players compete with each other for kills to proc stuff

[raven mountain]

It's already super strong as is. Psykers tend to be the elite killers already in high end lobbies.

[clear heath]

I don't mind it. Rewarding players individually for getting kills is a core part of the game at this point

[raven mountain]

And I believe Psykinetic Aura also demands you get the kills.

[clear heath]

I don't think getting EP stacks is an issue anyways

[long wharf]

you're not wrong, I know it's a personal preference for me

[raven mountain]

And it's probably the single strongest node in the game.

[clear heath]

Even ignoring the tree, core mechanics like melee kill toughness reward individual kills. It's just how the game is

[long wharf]

that melee kill is any melee kill though

[raven mountain]

EP bb is funny in that most of your kills feed back another EP charge.

[long wharf]

you don't have players going "guys, let me kill SOMETHING"

[clear heath]

If you kill in melee, you get the toughness for it. No one else does

[raven mountain]

It's any melee kill YOU make.

[long wharf]

correct

and that's so common that it doesn't matter

[raven mountain]

You are very certainly competing with others for melee kill toughness.

[clear heath]

I mean, it's actually not unrealistic for something like a trauma psyker to blast all the melee mobs away from a zealot or something

[long wharf]

other players literally can't stop you (often enough to matter) from getting melee kills

[clear heath]

people have complained before

[long wharf]

oh definitely, I hate that behavior as well

anything that moves enemies and makes it harder for others to handle the crowd is a negative

[raven mountain]

And vets have a bunch of elite kill requirements as well as that node that makes any kill give toughness.

[long wharf]

if trauma didn't auto-stagger ogryns as well, it'd be absolutely shit

[clear heath]

anyways elites are so common in high difficulty that I don't really think much of it

[broken carbon]

yeah :(

(which is part of why second wind is so necessary)

[long wharf]

I imagine you play a lot more highest difficulty stuff than I do

at that level, crowd densities make using assail frequently almost pointless

[broken carbon]

not really

[raven mountain]

Eh. assail is pretty great even then.

[clear heath]

assail cleaves a lot with warp splitting

[long wharf]

that's something I haven't played with

which is on me

[broken carbon]

assail is great stagger, has amazing cleave with warp spitter, solid damage with DD (or more shards with EP)

[raven mountain]

It's just limited against pus hardening and bulwark/crushers.

And monsters.

[long wharf]

FartShack should probably buff Bio-Lodestone, then

from 10%->15% to 10%->20%

[raven mountain]

They did.

Ah.

[long wharf]

15% chance isn't that great

especially considering it used to be 12.5%

[raven mountain]

It's weird because both rely on density.

[clear heath]

yeah it's not a great node

[raven mountain]

You're going to have more horde and more elites as you go up.

[long wharf]

once you have high densities, you aren't going to see a big difference between 10% and 15%, when there are elites getting killed along the way

[deft stump]

Colossus probs the safest lul. Stacking TDR with vet and 3 shouts.

[raven mountain]

So it's not really a great decision. there's not really a place where horde density overshadows elite density.

[buoyant maple]

Veteran player watching psyker blast a whole wave of elites with inferno, leaving him with 0 confirmed kill procs

[long wharf]

hell, you could probably bump it up to 25% chance without greatly tipping the balance

[raven mountain]

0 Grenade vet makes sad noises.

[long wharf]

when I play vet, I play strictly plasma on specialist/elite duty

[buoyant maple]

Plasma does not go through elite waves as fast as inferno does

Psyker’s scaling into density is just overboard

[long wharf]

I think plasma cleave needs to be bumped up

[marble crater]

Stop trying to nerf psyker

[broken carbon]

literally any player watching a psyker turn the game off in like 4 ways*

[long wharf]

with the sheer mass of crowds of ogryns spawned, plasma becomes inadequate

[broken carbon]

it needs it

so badly

[buoyant maple]

They went from needing 50 nerfs to needing 80

[broken carbon]

playing with a good psyker, even without smite

is so boring

an FGS alone is enough

[cosmic sigil]

Use taxe, it's ethical

[long wharf]

assail+fgs+surge is my go-to build now

[small whale]

I was watching a purg psyker the other day just spam m1 as discount smite

it just stunlocks everything below ogryns

[broken carbon]

yarp

[raven mountain]

No more quell cancel m1 purge. sadge

[long wharf]

that's a good thing

[raven mountain]

Macro-level, sure.

[broken carbon]

quell cancelling was the worst thing in this game

[analog agate]

Quell canceling is dead. 🫡

[long wharf]

if I were FartShack, I would never have said "we think macro usage is perfectly fine"

[mental grail]

Wait

[raven mountain]

Meh. My use of it was like 4-5 manual resets in the face of ragers or a horde press.

[mental grail]

Did they actually say that?

[jovial juniper]

Plz buff plasma
For the funny

[long wharf]

if the devs are okay with people using macros, just set the weapons to auto-fire themselves as fast as possible so everyone benefits from that behavior

[long wharf]

yes, very early on after release

[analog agate]

Yes

[raven mountain]

But seeing the auto fire macros was insane.

[mental grail]

https://tenor.com/view/war-dogs-war-dogs-movie-stressed-facepalm-gif-5727928

[buoyant maple]

Btw if u didn’t know
7/7 of veteran-exclusive changes this patch missed their mark

[mental grail]

istg obese fish

[long wharf]

they're not called FartShack, FartShart, etc for no reason

[analog agate]

FS has always been fine with macro though

[raven mountain]

But I liked the basic, imperfect manual quell cancel because it was an extra mechanic in the toolbox. And one that I could screw up.

[long wharf]

the devs are borderline incompetent

[sturdy reef]

lmb quell cancelling wasnt good

the rmb quell cancel is debatable

[buoyant maple]

They’re not incompetent

[sturdy reef]

now its like 10% faster? Its not noticeable

[raven mountain]

They're terrible at designing systems at the least.

[sturdy reef]

it helps with peril management a bit now since you have to quell 1 tick of peril

[mental grail]

obese fish is slow

[long wharf]

this is precisely what I mean when I say they're incompetent

[sturdy reef]

it still has its purpose

[buoyant maple]

The only things I’m unhappy with the update are vet changes missing their mark, and frame drops in mortis

[proud frost]

hmm, yes, i do just love the fact that the DD highlight is the exact same color as all the "last enemy highlights", and all the random glowing grafitti are also the same color so the DD marks blend right in

[buoyant maple]

Rest are ok

[raven mountain]

Yeah. I have to go test the new quell cancel. At the least, it'll help with my fgs special build.

[proud frost]

/sarcasm

[long wharf]

but! that's okay, because Ogryns finally got some love

and so far, things look very good for ogryns

[broken carbon]

wdym

[long wharf]

for a while now, the only melee I enjoyed using was pickaxe

now the bully club is genuinely fun to use

[buoyant maple]

Not a single vet change wasn’t undermined by their lack of understanding of what’s actually the problem

[broken carbon]

i’m unhappy with all of the psyker buffs, the lack of anything of note for zealot, and mortis being boring

[broken carbon]

ah

lmfao

[buoyant maple]

CaB deactivates on block
KZ deactivates on block
covering fire still doesn't apply to self
serrated blade still abysmal
skirmisher still has no staying power in combat
deadshot still takes far too much investment
power sword fix didn't even entirely work

[long wharf]

you know, all FartShack had to do with havoc was take the maelstrom modifiers and mix them into the havoc missions randomly

[autumn lark]

lol lmao

[broken carbon]

was that not mentioned in the patch notes? or am i blind

[autumn lark]

stealth change

[broken carbon]

still, i think scourge is a better talent

because second wind is right there

[autumn lark]

even cole is completely confused

@autumn smelt

[clear heath]

wtf

[buoyant maple]

Scourge is a lot better

[long wharf]

re: FartShack trying to fix things and either not fixing them at all or outright breaking other things, they've always had a problem with competently testing changes and handling Change Management from a project management perspective

[clear heath]

yeah i didn't know about the blood redemption change at all

[long wharf]

every patch FartShack puts out has the likelihood of reverting previous bug fixes and not actually fixing what they say they did

[clear heath]

my thammer build is now slightly better
yipee

[broken carbon]

puts melee kill at 10% toughness total, which is fine, but still not really that good

vicious offering is 15% total

second wind is 15% total

[clear heath]

realistically the only builds running it will be weapons that just don't care at all for scourge

which is pretty much just thammer

[broken carbon]

and IJ crusher

[clear heath]

oh right

2 weapons are now slightly better

epic

[buoyant maple]

Chainaxe too

[clear heath]

sorry chainaxe isn't real

[autumn lark]

cole is radio silent

[broken carbon]

shock maul i think

[autumn lark]

that blood redemption change killed bro

[broken carbon]

u gave him a heart attack

[clear heath]

never heard of it

[buoyant maple]

Nah it has finesse

[clear heath]

people are making up weapons

[buoyant maple]

It benefits from crit more

[broken carbon]

shock maul needs to get buffed

all it needs is a numerical buff

[jovial juniper]

So my 17+ TG on heavy kill just got buffed huh

[broken carbon]

and maybe a chance to stun enemies on hit

[wheat seal]

didn't play this game since few months and the problem is still the game:

• Start a game
• Teammate rush
• They die
• They leave
• Enjoy !

[broken carbon]

play aurics

i rarely ever see that on aurics

maybe i’m the rushing zealot…

[wheat seal]

it was Havoc

[broken carbon]

havoc smells

[plucky flax]

Sry was me

[wheat seal]

this is realy annoying

first game

[broken carbon]

what havoc level

[wheat seal]

play like 1min

[wheat seal]

30

[broken carbon]

weird

what servers are u on?

[wheat seal]

EU

[broken carbon]

ah

yeah apparently EU servers are pretty bad about that

[analog agate]

It was totally Agent

[broken carbon]

agreed

[wheat seal]

main reason why I stop this game

[buoyant maple]

Rushing in havoc is so funny because ur basically just throwing with current havoc spawn system lol

[wheat seal]

teammate

[broken carbon]

typical america W..

[buoyant maple]

Woe 4 bosses and their accompanying hordes upon ye

[loud girder]

ayo?

wtf

[broken carbon]

i’d survive

tbh

[plucky flax]

It was me 100%

I thought I was gud

But I was not

[deft stump]

Just oplay mortis trials.

[wheat seal]

so for you Havoc sucks?

[deft stump]

Much fun, many grenades.

Lucky me with twinned is funnies.

[buoyant maple]

https://tenor.com/view/happy-steam-steamhappy-gif-11912067498964962572

[broken carbon]

i just don’t really enjoy it

it’s a fine mode

[deft stump]

If you have heals.

[broken carbon]

i’ve done h40

it’s not really that hard with a semi competent team

[buoyant maple]

Mortis is ok
But spawn intensity is so low for some reason

[deft stump]

Well, even the tankiest of oggies is now full HP with the chance to double booms.

MUCH BOOMS.

[buoyant maple]

I’d rather mortis be 6 rounds but have way more spawn per round

[broken carbon]

yah apparently malice has better spawns than damnation lmfao

[wheat seal]

the problem is I always get team that die everytime

[sturdy reef]

this cant be real

[broken carbon]

i just prefer aurics

[buoyant maple]

Mortis just juices enemy health up massively but spawn rate is abysmal

[plucky flax]

Ask karien to carry you

[autumn lark]

i just took it from the subreddit

[plucky flax]

She's super pro h40 player.

[buoyant maple]

7500 health mauler x10 be upon ye

[sturdy reef]

let me check

[deft stump]

Damnation seems to be bulky bosses, RANDOM DH that RIPs someone.

[autumn lark]

my heavy stubber

https://tenor.com/view/jinroh-reloading-gun-machine-gun-gif-17967718

[sturdy reef]

wave 12 boss rush is fun

just bring gunlugger and grenades

[buoyant maple]

Your heavy stubber would take like
6 crits to kill a single one

[autumn lark]

i dont give af

[deft stump]

Nu. Shush. I don't carry. I'm literally called a mascot for a reason. I just exist to wave buffs around.

[plucky flax]

Bro is modest.

[long wharf]

I'll Venmo you a $1USD if you can tell me what clip is from (timelimit of 30 seconds)

[wheat seal]

@plucky flax you don't see any problem with havoc mode?

[plucky flax]

I do I hate havoc.

[sturdy reef]

its real

[broken carbon]

jin roh wolf brigade

[wheat seal]

fr or your jokinh

[long wharf]

you aren't Yamato

[autumn lark]

yeah jin roh

[broken carbon]

yam would’ve known that

[plucky flax]

Actually fr. I don't enjoy getting shot by 1 lone shooter and die instantly.

[autumn lark]

from the sewer scene where jin got the information form the rebel woman who fell in love with him

[long wharf]

I have Jin Roh on DVD

[plucky flax]

No counter player (lmao just dodge but how do you dodge when shot from behind)

[broken carbon]

i wish havoc shooters didn’t get nerfed

though i do need to play h40 now with the changes

ohhhh ciiiicaaaaaa

[torpid bough]

double barrel infinite ammo with full SG stacks is VERY funny

[plucky flax]

I dunno about new havoc I have not played the patch.

[broken carbon]

@worn heron

[long wharf]

it came in a two-pack, bundled with Steamboy

[loud girder]

Jin Roh the goat brigade

[broken carbon]

wolp brigade

[autumn lark]

https://tenor.com/view/speed-laugh-gif-367582725193069922

your ass is fucking dying

[loud girder]

i must shill https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W47jx3y_76A

[broken carbon]

why

u think my evis can’t handle it?…

[autumn lark]

no.

[long wharf]

the soundtrack to Jin Roh is one of the best anime soundtracks made

[broken carbon]

https://tenor.com/view/noob-blocked-thumbs-down-emoji-gif-27142977

[loud girder]

ur a psycho

[long wharf]

I still listen to it at least once or twice a year

[broken carbon]

i’m doing h40 with evis then

[wheat seal]

personaly I like the difficulty, but it's hard to get a decent team

[broken carbon]

evis chastise

and u cannot stop me

nopony can stop me

[plucky flax]

Good luck then

[verbal thistle]

@plucky flax Have you done testing with Pen of the soul?

Didnt they say it was fixed

[plucky flax]

No sir I am not playing until thursday.

[broken carbon]

is it not ?

[verbal thistle]

From my testing it seems to not be fixed

[plucky flax]

I am travelling and so spent when I'm back to my room at night.

It has to be over 90% peril?

[verbal thistle]

was 100 peril

[plucky flax]

[verbal thistle]

Pen of the soul is 10% rending above 75%

[sturdy reef]

75%

[verbal thistle]

I tested damage at 0 peril then at 100

with no damage talents or blessings

same damage

on Crusher

[long wharf]

with what weapon?

did you factor in enemy armor resistances making the damage difference too small to be noticeable?

[plucky flax]

Maybe it's just skill issue.

[long wharf]

10% rending isn't necessarily +10% damage

[verbal thistle]

knife, both force swords

[long wharf]

you want an attack that'll do around 1000 damage normally to really see that difference

[verbal thistle]

I'll try something with 1000 damage

[clear heath]

I want you to read this carefully before you explain to me why you picked knife

[long wharf]

aaaand that

warp attacks only

[verbal thistle]

ahhh

I see

my bad

misread

[long wharf]

charged force sword attack would count

[verbal thistle]

I though it was overall 10%rending

[buoyant maple]

That rending is only for warp damage

[verbal thistle]

Understood

[plucky flax]

New meme is pen blaze away burga with gazer for that sweet 50% rending.

[verbal thistle]

Yeah

it is fixexd

force sword special did more damage

[long wharf]

there we go

[autumn smelt]

BlAindz

[verbal thistle]

coal

[autumn smelt]

wait wheres the extra 20% coming from

talent is 10% pen flames is 20%

[plucky flax]

Oh it's 20% not 40% like vet.

Psyker sucks

[buoyant maple]

It’s all in his mind

https://tenor.com/view/happy-steam-steamhappy-gif-11912067498964962572

[plucky flax]

Why vet so op with rending talent

[autumn smelt]

its its own unique buff so it stacks with all others though

[deft stump]

Can confirm.

Messed around with my funny sword.

For some reason, the damage went from like 664 to 800 something.

Both strikes were weakspot crits at 91% peril.

[plucky flax]

Too much hassle banking on others to bring brittleness. Warp nexus superiority

[deft stump]

This is Illisi btw, so don't expect much.

[autumn smelt]

realistically its just not worth it
just bring an anti armor melee for crushers, you literally already have purgatus

[deft stump]

Time to pub Mortis more. 'nades, 'nades, 'nades.

[mental grail]

Post

[plucky flax]

Nah it's bad meme just keep using creeping flames

[late sapphire]

does soulblaze work with the flame buffs?

[pine tundra]

Question for Smite on Penetration of the Soul, is that better than going for

[granite gorge]

They nerf lightning speed? thought it was 30% attack speed

[shadow wigeon]

10

[broken carbon]

it’s always been 10%

[granite gorge]

ahh kk

[worn heron]

hi

wut up

[broken carbon]

@worn heron

[worn heron]

havoc STINKZ

[broken carbon]

this is true

but there have been changes

that i must try

[worn heron]

i dont have h40 anymore sadlmfao i havent played in weeks

[broken carbon]

same !

i’ve decayed down to like

36

the rot consumes

[patent mango]

rot

[analog agate]

I mean. None of you guys have H40 anymore

Unless there is a joke Im missing

[broken carbon]

was havoc rank reset ?

i skimmed over the havoc changes

[analog agate]

Ya. 31+ people reset to 30

[broken carbon]

sad

[granite gorge]

gonna try this assail, venting shriek, warp siphon w/ trauma staff build i just made up, wish me luck

[broken carbon]

but h40 is still a thing

right

just have to go back up to it

[analog agate]

With the MASSIVE nerf to psykinetic’s aura. Assail with VB staff is fine now

Not totally joking. 20% nerf is a lot

[long wharf]

I mean, in isolation it's a 20% nerf

[plucky flax]

It's so over.

[prime elk]

30 would be actually insane lol

[analog agate]

Ya. In game it doesn’t matter. Won’t notice it

[long wharf]

but combined with other things like Seer's presence and cdr on curios

you probably won't notice that 1% difference

[plucky flax]

Uuuh I got flamed a few months ago for using cdr curios.

[patent mango]

massive nerf (barely noticeable)

[plucky flax]

[analog agate]

Was it before the bubble havoc craziness?

[long wharf]

I have stamina regen, toughness, and cdr on all of my curios

on all characters

[shadow wigeon]

Shriek spam build I notice the 1% a lot, and tbh I find it a fair nerf

[plucky flax]

Maybe? Maybe not? It was always OP with surge creeping flames spam.

[analog agate]

It has definitely risen in popularity since havoc

[shadow wigeon]

Ok so Mortis is pretty cool.... if it starts at Wave 10

[jovial juniper]

💀

[clear heath]

I've always liked cdr curios but it was definitely an unpopular opinion in this server

[plucky flax]

I think it was zealot players flaming me actually. Xd

[analog agate]

Pygex influence with the TDR. I fell in it

[plucky flax]

They think they know better.

[clear heath]

zealots nitpick on curio choices more because there aren't real build choices in their tree

[broken carbon]

true

[plucky flax]

They were like 'bro you won't feel the 3s every creeping flames' but they are not spamming it like me

[sacred crane]

Matyrdom DIE

[broken carbon]

:.|:;

[patent mango]

nuh uh

[sacred crane]

@patent mango into empire conscription you go

[clear heath]

'no man you absolutely need the 7 hp from perk instead. huge difference'

like who even cares

most curio perks barely do anything

[plucky flax]

I use cdr on zealot too for more chastise spam

[long wharf]

the problem is that we essentially have two tiers of gameplay in Darktide

[shadow wigeon]

Madness, I'm angry if my creeping flames is even 1s late

[long wharf]

people pushing high havocs or auric maelstroms where a 5% toughness won't be noticeable

[clear heath]

i actually think hp is one of the better curio perks but i think it's insane people act like 7 hp is some godly high impact perk while 1s off your cooldown is literally nothing

[long wharf]

and everything else where it literally doesn't matter what you bring

[autumn lark]

cyn

[plucky flax]

Actually agony. I die inside when my creeping flames won't come on in time

[broken carbon]

hrm

[autumn lark]

can you help me get the 25 minute penance for mortis trials

[broken carbon]

i am currently rotting in bed

sorry oomfie

[autumn lark]

https://tenor.com/view/rise-of-the-ronin-matthew-perry-ronin-rising-rising-my-ronin-gif-8667110887955872222

[broken carbon]

maybe tomorrow or something idk

[long wharf]

health curios are okay if you want to focus on being able to tank corruption damage

but the survivability meta shifted to toughness dr with havoc

[buoyant maple]

I can tmr

[upper sun]

@autumn smelt COLE

c o l e

hi

is damnation trials spawning enough enemies

[rain barn]

It's dueling sword and inferno staff a good combo?

[upper sun]

yeeee

[autumn smelt]

ive said this before
spawns are fucked on lower difficulties and its being looked into

[upper sun]

WHAT

so damnation is the baseline?

[rain barn]

Also anyone know a good build for trials?

[autumn smelt]

im assuming so

[autumn smelt]

anything

[upper sun]

its too easy

please fuck up the damnation spawns

[rain barn]

Was curious a horde clearing build would be best

[autumn smelt]

yes i know
we never stopped wanting higher intensity

[upper sun]

thank u for ur cervix 🫡

[vernal frost]

we are done for

[shadow wigeon]

wave 1-9 is so eepy

[autumn smelt]

i do like the mode but how easy it is for what we have access to right now is among my grievances

[vernal frost]

Play malice

[shadow wigeon]

ok will try next

[late sapphire]

none of the abilities work with soulblaze do they?

inferno staff users just get cucked?

[plucky flax]

wtf

[jovial juniper]

[autumn smelt]

https://tenor.com/view/kang-council-quantumania-council-of-kangs-immortus-gif-7625101405612290361

[vernal frost]

also why did y'all nerf ogryn

[buoyant maple]

Based

[autumn smelt]

i subconciously blocked this out until just now
what the fuck clad

[autumn smelt]

cuz we hate ogryn

[late sapphire]

though then again inferno is so good for trials you outperform anyways

[autumn smelt]

fuck ogryn

[buoyant maple]

Top 10 clad quotes of all time

[marble crater]

@upper sun is it normal that I had one Mortis with 1 DH in total and the next had 4 bosses at the same time?

[upper sun]

prolly not

apparently fatshark doesnt want you to have fun

[deft stump]

I think you either get 3 bosses or 1 DH.

[vernal frost]

yeah

you can get bosses or dh or twins

[marble crater]

But 4 bosses at once? Damn

[deft stump]

Just pray it's not 3 BoN, they take FOREVER to die.

[marble crater]

Also, controller feels very different after the update, or just me?

[late sapphire]

huh the twins spawned

[upper sun]

btw i think spamming M1 on force sword activated specials makes the animation slightly faster

[late sapphire]

one got onetapped by a rock the other died to 30s of gungryn fire

[analog agate]

Just got o. Yeah, qc is dead

[deft stump]

It does. Not sure why. i even tinkered with the settings via the app.

[upper sun]

🤔

[marble crater]

It feels more fluid

[jovial juniper]

Apparently 80% chance of spawning

[vernal frost]

huh?

[deft stump]

Maybe cos it's true 0 now.

[marble crater]

I know they changed dead zones, but that can't be all they did

[vernal frost]

I got them once in like 10 games

[jovial juniper]

I gotta double check then

Lmao

[late sapphire]

i agree i like this, it's like fortunes of war but cooler but it's so easy it's boring as hell

just did my customary one try and am going back to not touching darktide until the next update

[marble crater]

[vernal frost]

praying that they fix it fast

but judging how basegame spawns are

I have no hope

[deft stump]

I dunno what's up with your games then.

Mine are so messed up in terms of spawns, I think I lagged ppl with too much bleed effects.

[late sapphire]

I'd love to think about possible builds and how a death dealer gungryn can just shoot forever but its not worth it if you can easily clear without any thought put into it

[deft stump]

I assume it's my bad luck at play or something.

[vernal frost]

you unironically have to play on malice now

[vernal temple]

this feels fucking impossible, even on Malice difficulty. best time I got was 27 minutes

[deft stump]

I only search damnation btw.

[late sapphire]

we had a total of about 3.5 mil damage i think

[deft stump]

Cos ded server.

Only games are on damnation.

[vernal frost]

malice has more enemies

try heresy or damn

[upper sun]

its easier on damnation

[deft stump]

If you have boss clear.

[upper sun]

even without it

[deft stump]

It's like some teams aren't prepared for getting the multiple 3x bosses.

[upper sun]

damnation has like 400-1000 less enemies

[vernal temple]

also people don't seem to know what they need to do. capture and hold objectives are completed faster when everyone is in the highlighted zone

[deft stump]

I feel like that's just luck.

[upper sun]

nope

[deft stump]

I even had an ass AFK in a corner.

[late sapphire]

when are they bringing out havoc 40 mortis trials?

[upper sun]

all the other threat levels are bugged apparently

[autumn smelt]

its not
this is straight up a thing

[deft stump]

While I had to duo the later stages with a Chad Zealot.

[autumn smelt]

the hardest part of mortis trial solos are just specialist waves

[vernal frost]

i hope that playtesters are working very hard on the patch rn

[autumn smelt]

i really wish they didnt commit to those but oh well

[upper sun]

🚬 the fucking trapper waves

[vernal temple]

funny seeing psykers crash left and right all the time because of Mettle

[cloud night]

That buffed assail is nice

So is the SG reduction

[autumn smelt]

i probably burned myself out on mortis trials before it was even out
8 hours straight yesterday

[vernal temple]

burster waves

[upper sun]

its not as bad if you move away from the spawns

[autumn smelt]

should be fixed soon too

[late sapphire]

as a wise man once said: thank you for your cervix 🙏

[deft stump]

3x shout plus 4x nades that double and double.

[upper sun]

gives you more room to push

[autumn smelt]

explode

[deft stump]

It's like dog waves.'

[late sapphire]

https://tenor.com/view/darktide-40k-psyker-explode-perils-gif-10586129510772702813

[autumn smelt]

dont forget the upgrade that gives 5 stacks of non expiring bleed to everything shout hits

[vernal temple]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1046914150363844779/1345496706124615760/hilbert.gif

[deft stump]

I know. I had that last run.

Is why I was all, are you sure mobs are gimped on damnation?

[late sapphire]

I hope this isn't supposed to be the chaos wastes replacement

I would cry if it was

[deft stump]

I saw my FPS drop after 2 shouts and 2 quad 'nades going off.

[autumn smelt]

its less that theyre gimped on damnation
more theyre out of control on lower difficulties by comparison

[deft stump]

God knows how many and agains I had.

[dull scroll]

there was an upgrade for bb, did 200k boss dmg as a psyker, dream can come true 😌

[vernal frost]

if that's out of control then base is just sad

[autumn smelt]

i agree
the challenge rating is still too low for 4 players

[vernal frost]

at least add aurics....

[patent mango]

just start the difficulty at wave 10

[stark crown]

Give it a day or so

Shit is still incredibly fun imo

[deft stump]

Pretty sure unless it voids the penance, I don't think they will.

[stark crown]

That or mix it up with different classes

[worn heron]

lmfao

[deft stump]

I feel the lower lvls is to pad the 20 mins or so of it.

[autumn smelt]

i do
pyrokinetic infernus vet
death dealer scriers psyker
i still need to try voltaic shock maul zealot, that sounds really cool

[dull scroll]

somebody already mentioned last day, they should make Mortis infinite, in true roguelike fashion

[cosmic sigil]

just give infinite wave ffs

[autumn smelt]

ogryn can run whatever and just stomp cuz of their base kit

[stark crown]

Have you tried Big Box of hurt spam Ogryn?

Shit is so stupid

[upper sun]

"ddeath dealer gaze psyker"
yeah ookay my game just crashed twice

[vernal frost]

what about voltaic shock maul psyker
they did buff smite node after all

[stark crown]

True

[vernal frost]

https://tenor.com/view/yes-gif-7602847298525535047

[autumn smelt]

i did once during testing but rock one shots are too funny

[stark crown]

It seems interesting

[autumn lark]

I got fleeting memories

[vernal frost]

i got called a lot of things after making a box build

[patent mango]

more box would fix those complaints

[stark crown]

https://medal.tv/games/warhammer-40000-darktide/clips/jXamLZMxwZ5gz4lj3?invite=cr-MSxGU28sMTA3NDAxNTcz

I had Lucky me

But straight after this I got Scavenger

It was NON STOP box spam

[vernal frost]

that's really tame

[cloud night]

How's the buffed smg on psyker feel?

[upper sun]

rip fps

[autumn smelt]

yknow somethingf unny

[vernal frost]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1179754855976402995/1354090861524291585/xvhwK8K.mp4?ex=67e406e3&is=67e2b563&hm=ddd7af807bba0ab6f8d915e34817dab3b7accfcafa1a1b78ea39f4ac62fada73&

[stark crown]

Nothing could move lmao

[upper sun]

btw

[stark crown]

Well outside of bosses occasionally

[strong gulch]

Alright nerds, what are the stealth changes?

[deft stump]

Btw, if that's the 'nade every 20 sec... It works with the Vet 60 secs one.

[stark crown]

Sup

[upper sun]

why dont the drops also have stims?

[deft stump]

You just don't get a buff in the buff bar telling you.

[autumn smelt]

the 50% chance for grenades to explode again for box grenades used to be able to spawn another full box from each individual grenade

it quite literally
never stopped

[vernal frost]

I had that shit going for at least 20 seconds once

off 1 box

[autumn lark]

i had 6 nukes with the 50% chance

[upper sun]

🚬 i can smell the infinite loops and the unending if statements from here

[deft stump]

And again, and again, and again.

[wispy bay]

Vet with shredder + Gemini grenade + 90% double grenade + grenade heal + regen grenade on grenade kill...

[dull scroll]

that nade mod is the only thing in this game that have ever lagged my game

[deft stump]

Just DING DING DING.

[autumn lark]

nah

20 seconds is more reliable

[wispy bay]

I turned all of the monstrosity into paste.

[autumn smelt]

regen grenades on grenade kill requires them to die to the explosion, which wont really happen with shredders with the hp scaling

[wispy bay]

With the gemini, it works so well.

[deft stump]

Quad nades.

[autumn smelt]

whats the gemini

[deft stump]

Twinned.

[stark crown]

NEVER ENDING FPS TANK RAGGHHHH

[autumn smelt]

is that a name for one of the upgrades

[autumn lark]

infinite smokes

[autumn lark]

box of hurt fucking annihilates your FPS

[deft stump]

It's probs Twinned blasts.

[autumn smelt]

did you find the other box upgrade

[wispy bay]

50% a grenade will spawn another grenade.

It is not twin blast

[autumn smelt]

the one that spawns an array of each other grenade

[clear heath]

wtf

[autumn smelt]

it swaps the grenades in the box with a stun, a smoke, a shredder, and a nuke

[clear heath]

sounds like the ultimate pc destroyer

[autumn lark]

it WHAT

[clear heath]

can't wait to get home from work and destroy everyone's fps

[vernal frost]

two nukes

[deft stump]

I thought you only get 3 max?

[vernal frost]

it's two nukes

[buoyant maple]

Y’all need to barrel yourselves

[autumn smelt]

yam do you remember when i was saying "the next update is going to be good plain fun" like 2 months ago
this is what i meant

[deft stump]

Which is why the funny is twinned (talent), 50% boom off booms, Lucky me and healing 'nade.

[clear heath]

gotta give em the pc spec check

[wispy bay]

I get 7 explosions from 1 throw once.

[autumn lark]

it is so much fun

[upper sun]

@autumn smelt what does unflinching actually do? i thought it was gonna be like twbs but i still got staggered

[deft stump]

No, 3 major boons.

[wispy bay]

The nade regens nade is another one.

[autumn lark]

btw what is the event cosmetic reward?

[vernal frost]

run ogryn box build if you wanna learn some new words

mostly slurs

[autumn smelt]

idk i remember it working like twbs for me

[autumn lark]

works exactly like twbs

but if you get hit your camera will pan down

[wispy bay]

Nade regens nade is 10% on nade kill regen 3 nades.

[vernal frost]

that one is really mediocre

[deft stump]

Yes, But you listed 4 major nodes there.

[wispy bay]

Yes

[autumn lark]

smoking crack right here bud

[deft stump]

Last I know, you get only 3 of them.

[autumn lark]

its 10% PER 3 enemies

[stark crown]

I got one that applied 75% brittleness

[wispy bay]

Because I got it in my 1st game somehow.

[stark crown]

But no

[autumn lark]

meaning

that you can get infinite nuke uptime

[autumn smelt]

@stark crown

[wispy bay]

No it is 10% to get 3 nades

It overrides the nade limit if you have default 2 krak.

[vernal frost]

20s cd + 90% for twinned blast + big box of hurt is the true pc check

[upper sun]

@autumn lark twbs lets you do interrogator without being staggered out of it tho it didnt let me

[rain barn]

Any advice for "Blessed by Fate" penance,

[autumn lark]

strange

[autumn lark]

i use frag bomb

[deft stump]

You forget +3 'nades.

[vernal frost]

or swap big box for 50% for explosion occuring on explosion

[wispy bay]

I haven't try ogryn yet.

[autumn lark]

I almkst always get a frag bomb refund with the 10%

[vernal frost]

oh and get a vet with that one talent

[deft stump]

Spam a weapon that produces peril till your char put their hands on their face, then press your vent/shriek button.

[vernal frost]

the one that gives you nades from box

[wispy bay]

For vet, you already have demo team and 60s nade regen, you don't need the 20 sec. For zealot and orgryn, I can understand that option.

[stark crown]

That’s incredibly fucking funny

RNG the box

[rain barn]

Been doing that ... only got 3 so far

[stark crown]

throw it for literally any use

“Fuck it we ball”

[vernal frost]

it's not rng it's literally all of that

at once

[deft stump]

In a live game? Should be working. Must be base or shriek btw. Don't think it works with SG.

[vernal frost]

stun fire smoke and two frags

[wispy bay]

Anyhow, that mode is easy.

[vernal frost]

chinese fireworks

[mental grail]

Death dealer scriers and pyro go so hard

[deft stump]

It STACKS. I got 4 'nades in 60 secs.

[stark crown]

Welcome back, QED from COD Zombies

[mental grail]

Obese fish just need to patch mettle so I can stop my withdrawal symptoms

[clear heath]

really makes me wonder how much you could lag a console player with it

[deft stump]

GL with that. I rarely see vets running that thing.

[wispy bay]

It does, but you already have more than enough to cleanse the map.

[deft stump]

MOAR 'NADES. MOAR.

[rain barn]

Been using venting shriek for a bit ... what's SG?

[deft stump]

The only thing I'll take over it is 3 shouts.

[mental grail]

SG = Scriers gaze

[deft stump]

Mostly cos it's hilariously OP.

[wispy bay]

Bleeding shout is so dumb

[deft stump]

Scrier's Gaze.

[deft stump]

3x bleeding shouts. I get to be a noise vet now.

[wispy bay]

Also the unbreakable stealth, you get bonus on every melee hit...

[deft stump]

Oh and btw, the bleed shout just goes through capt shields from what I see.

Seems undispellable

[analog agate]

They need to severely up the difficulty of mortis. The whole thing spread out over 15-20 minutes or whatever it is, is like, 1 auric horde lmao with smoe extra bossses

[strong gulch]

boss horde

[deft stump]

Map is probs too small for much.

[wispy bay]

Halloween event flash back

[marble crater]

These controller changes are throwing me off so much

[strong gulch]

So how is the new shit feeling?? Other than mortis spawns being borked.

[wispy bay]

Easy

[deft stump]

I got used to it. Aiming still sucks, but that's me.

[dull scroll]

mortis too easy, havoc is spawning twins

[wispy bay]

It is like regular damnation.

[analog agate]

QC is dead for you

[strong gulch]

VB?

[analog agate]

yep

[strong gulch]

😭

I knew it

So far the update is feeling great. I hit play and get a cloud sync error.

[analog agate]

lol same. probably because of steam though

it is their down time

[strong gulch]

It was and then I was back online. Fibs

Oh man. I am down about VB QC.

I knew it was gonna be collateral damage even though the devs made it seem like it wouldn't be.

[analog agate]

Yeah, kinda sucks for people who don't want to weapon swap

Not kinda. It does suck

[strong gulch]

or can't

[analog agate]

It is very easy on mnk depending on binds. Controller not so much

[ripe obsidian]

New havoc is hard

[mental grail]

What do I pick instead of mettle for my purga

[strong gulch]

It is not easy for me in particular. In EVERY game with weapon swapping, I struggle.

Missed inputs and lag add to my issue.

[autumn lark]

Overcooked

Doubles ogryn grenade radius and damage

[deft stump]

Pretty sure the diffs are based on the normal diffs.

[wind spruce]

Known Issue from Nightmares & Visions
There is an issue with Psyker’s talent “Mettle” where the game client will crash if the talent reaches 31 stacks of movement speed buff.

Psyker nerf 😦

[restive slate]

Any changes to Gun Psyker this update?

[wind spruce]

HOLY SHIT the buffs to gun psyker are 💀

[wind spruce]

So many

[restive slate]

Owh??!

[wind spruce]

By Crack of Bone

Peril Quelled: 5% to 10%.
Peril Reduction: 20% to 25%.
Duration: 4s to 5s.

Surety of Arms

Reload Speed: 25% to 30%.
Peril Cost: 25% to 15%.

Malefic Momentum

Damage: 4% to 5%.

[deft stump]

Ah well, ded server. Can't find anymore games for tonight. Back to dailies.

[wind spruce]

Disrupt Destiny.

“We’re trying to breathe new life into Disrupt Destiny through some Quality of Life changes, and consistency.”

Now refreshes its Duration when damaging a Monstrosity or Traitor Captain.
Duration: 4s to 5s.
Toughness: 10% Instantly to 25% over 2.5s.

Assail

“Assail, while not terrible, is lacking behind its two competitors of Blitz Abilities. We’re reducing the attack time a small amount to lessen the risk of using it slightly, and increasing its damage.”

Attack Time
Normal: 1.0 to 0.8.
Aimed: 1.5 to 1.25.
Damage
Normal: 200 to 225.
Aimed: 340 to 380.
Empowered Psionics: 300 to 350.
Aimed Ability: 450 to 500.

AND MOST IMPORTANTLY

Scrier's Gaze

“Reducing the Peril Generation to make it a bit easier to access the top end power of Scrier’s Gaze. We’re also adding a 50% Peril Quell on activation, to help you in case of overcharge, and to give you more space to extend its duration.”

Peril Ramp Curve reduced (33%).
Quell 50% on Activation.

[deft stump]

Is why base vent needs a buff. 75% quell.

[restive slate]

Nuts psyker changes

[wind spruce]

Make it 100% and remove creeping flames, yes

[wind spruce]

Absolutely bonkers

[restive slate]

Best gun still recon?

[wind spruce]

Recon best generalist, vraks best boss killer

[restive slate]

Ahhh still same then haha

[analog agate]

They figured they would bring DD psyker in line with left side

[autumn smelt]

Laspistol best boss killer tbh

With dumdum infernus

[deft stump]

You mean, why is the psyker replaced by a bot 70% of the game?

[wind spruce]

Could be, i haven't played it much in ages

[restive slate]

The default one?

[wind spruce]

50% quell on scriers is so nuts lmao

[autumn smelt]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1343409569820446813/1343465691986268180/Warhammer_40-000-_Darktide_-_2025-02-24_12-11-52_AM.mp4?ex=67e443ad&is=67e2f22d&hm=775b5ad4e5f9a561aaa6d2b0bb01d26b3659d57a8b7f74c4be347c605d3dd7dd&

[restive slate]

Even if 20% is good I feel

[wind spruce]

It means so much more spamming of assail without interfering with the combat loop

[wind spruce]

Feels like vraks would've done that a lot quicker

[marble crater]

I can't play the Volt classes in Mortis too many times, I will get used to those amazing dodges

[deft stump]

Base 10% vent. Also, bubble/wall now also quells 10% on drop.

[deft stump]

You mean funni everything near you is stunned funni.

[autumn smelt]

At the cost of less mobility, more ammo spent, less versatility
The unyielding damage per shot is so high you can kill bulwarks and reapers in 3 shots, and kill bulwarks just by critting their arm

Not to mention you can save even more ammo by just letting the burn ride out

[wind spruce]

Fair play. Las pistol is dope

[restive slate]

Now THAT'S amazing

[wind spruce]

DD refreshing on bosses is so damn huge

[deft stump]

Integrate in the base stuff into the upgrades. Yes.

[autumn smelt]

Oh yeah that's another thing too
That clip I sent is with 0 DD stacks
Which laspistol has significantly higher finesse scaling than vraks

[strong gulch]

Assail lacking behind BB is so funny.

[wind spruce]

I assumed they meant in selection choice

Which is psykinetics fault ofc

[analog agate]

Ya. I don’t understand where they got that. I assume it is from the majority of builds pathing left?

[strong gulch]

TRUE

[deft stump]

BB needs massive buffs lmao.

[wind spruce]

The malefic momentum buff is so unnecessary lmfao

[buoyant maple]

It’s prob because of BB (KF) value jumping up in havoc

Resource agnostic sniping

[wind spruce]

It's not even that. It's just that you can't pick assail and have PA.

[autumn smelt]

Honestly The damage buffs are whatever
What right side psyker really needs are methods of surviving, because mistake spiral on those builds, everything there is just "win more"

[weary idol]

iron will gunpsyker

[wind spruce]

You're right except that I don't think it actually needs anything

[clear heath]

most of the psyker changes could've been left as it was, but they don't really matter that much anyways

i think crack of bone getting buffed so much is pretty egregious but whatever

[wind spruce]

10% is nuts

[hot hamlet]

guys my mods aren't working after the update, what should I do?

[drifting pond]

Wait for updoots

[clear heath]

Assail getting buffed by 5-12% in damage and marginally shorter cast time isn't gonna actually change how it runs in auric, and it still won't be that common in havoc i think

[hot hamlet]

mod update or game update?

[wind spruce]

The DD and scriers changes are overall minor changes but still meaningful. Increased consistency on DD against bosses is really good and 50% quell on scriers makes assailing between warp unbound and your next activation feel way better

[clear heath]

Scriers got an insane buff with the -50% on cast but for a pretty underused build.
People usually don't have much peril when starting scriers unless they're like voidstrike scriers
...which i literally never see used

[drifting pond]

Mod updates, it might take a few days, in the meanwhile gotta go in vanilla

[hot hamlet]

do I need to update all my mods one by one? 😮

[drifting pond]

Yes

[hot hamlet]

no way the mods I was using from 2023 or around that

[drifting pond]

Each mod needs to be updated to work by its individual creator

[wind spruce]

I pump out assails constantly and take quick shards so my peril is always high 😭

[clear heath]

oh i don't run quick shards

[wind spruce]

But the cast time for assail is irrelevant if you're quick swapping two shards

[drifting pond]

Only some mods are causing the crashing

[left basin]

voidstrike scriers!!!!

i am the scrier man

[drifting pond]

But its hard to know without testing yourself

The modders for this game are very good and very dedicated

[clear heath]

anyways i'm sure the 5 players who actually play voidstrike scriers will appreciate the scriers buff
and it's like a minor qol to other builds

[hot hamlet]

so I can't use any of my mods atm?

[restive slate]

Do you know any of the known ones?

[drifting pond]

Weapon customization is broken, so is numeric UI, idk of any others

[drifting pond]

You can test and see, it's hard to tell especially if you have dozens of mods

[hot hamlet]

but after the update I didnt change anything all my mods still installed but idk why none of them working

[deft stump]

Look in general.

[drifting pond]

Because the game changed

[primal plume]

i think fatshark is under the impression charging smite makes it do more damage

[hot hamlet]

then how do I test it

[deft stump]

Ainz just posted something.

[distant elk]

Can this have been better?

[drifting pond]

Turn off all mods except one, and see if the game works properly, and if it does add one more mod and test that
I'm sure people have tested it and lists are already floating around

[hot hamlet]

I mean my game has nothing wrong all my mods are enabled Im able to play without issues because none of them working

[drifting pond]

Ohhh, well they might need to be updated then, cause they're clearly not working

😋

[hot hamlet]

maybe I need to run this file after the update?

[drifting pond]

Yes

[hot hamlet]

really

[drifting pond]

After every update

[hot hamlet]

oh okay

[drifting pond]

Yes, even after hotfixes

[hot hamlet]

so is there a list or smth to see which mods are working properly atm

[drifting pond]

Yeah there should be at this point

[deft stump]

As said, Ainz posted something in general.

[hot hamlet]

that includes all of the mods?

[deft stump]

Naw, just the ones mostly used and aren't basically cheat mods.

[hot hamlet]

so Known issues: section

are the mods that's causing problems right?

[drifting pond]

Yes

[hot hamlet]

I can use anything else besides them

[deft stump]

The crossed out ones just need an update.

[drifting pond]

The ones crossed out have updates out already

So make sure to update

[worn heron]

Numeric ui has a temp fix

[deft stump]

Join the modder's discord since some of the updates is there only.