psyker-class

[vernal temple]

oof

[copper jay]

Thanks ! Could I call you "tutor" or "teacher" ?

[jovial juniper]

And if bursters or dogs are involved you pretty much get al your WS stacks back

[vernal temple]

Smite lasts so long, GW resurrected Big E

[strong gulch]

You can, but Potato or whatever my in game name is at the time are good.

There's always something to learn in this game.

[young falcon]

Potato-sensei

[strong gulch]

I know a good amount, but many know so much more.

[vernal temple]

I know something that everybody should learn - stay hydrated

[patent mango]

anyone wanna play smyker in havoc

i want slop

the most slop gameplay

[copper jay]

I'm level 27 so i'll come back prolly tomorrow to ask for a more definitive build haha. I saw the most opti was Inferno staff etc. I'll ask about stat for gear !

[strong gulch]

true!! I'm at at this.

[strong gulch]

No prob. If I'm not on, someone will help out.

[young falcon]

Slopker

[patent mango]

i need slop

[young falcon]

DS is now a force weapon

[patent mango]

mobility instantly gets reduced to like 0.20+

[jovial juniper]

My next play session is in like 30 minutes

Although

I'm more trying to get my gunker flow back

Call me The Gazer

The way I used to scry

[patent mango]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cy-o9hgEjBI

oh my god

hes streaming our slop

[queen fog]

i peeped the stream and see the smited hordes, this is a lightshow

a flash of flame and sparks

[wise crater]

does psykinetic aura require that psyker is the one that kills the elite?

[young falcon]

Only because it gains a broken heavy lunge

[jovial juniper]

Yes afaik

[patent mango]

we lost

[strong gulch]

"When Psyker kills an elite or special, reduces the remaining ability cooldown by 5% per kill for Psyker and allies who are in coherency with Psyker."

[tight scroll]

https://tenor.com/view/rain-world-slugcat-slugcar-suicide-minor-inconvenience-gif-23505204

[patent mango]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1065385117398347837/1341202748921876511/caption.gif

[jovial juniper]

Trying to get my gunker groove on but trying to play the hero has some drawbacks

[tight scroll]

what happened

[patent mango]

caramel ballin

[tight scroll]

not the gif the havoc hellscape

[patent mango]

ohh

we're playing mostly smite

lmao

[tight scroll]

coordinate all smiting

tesla tower chain

[willow hazel]

my greatsword build

[thorn cedar]

really, no perfect timing?

want that extra toughness eh

[prime elk]

flak on fgs 🤔

[copper jay]

Why this is recommended to not have "warp resistance" on gear ?

[prime elk]

because psyker typically wants to be edging on peril

so decreasing your peril gen by having high warp res is actively hurting you

esp if it comes at the expense of important stats like defense on fgs

[vagrant onyx]

Fgs really likes being 80%+ because of unstable and warp rider, you also have node for more toughness DR when at high peril

[patent mango]

DUDE

[prime elk]

lol

[vagrant onyx]

That's hilarious

[prime elk]

swallowed by the warp

[blissful solar]

hes been consumed by the darktide

[willow hazel]

It only affects the warp slice, which is a minority of the overall damage

[thorn cedar]

yea thought as much

[potent echo]

Him

[patent mango]

we finally won

a 4 psyker match

im maxxed out on slop

no more smite

[strong gulch]

A lot of talents and nodes are based on higher peril. So peril edging like Sirosky pointed out.

BUT also the scaling on WR (warp resist) weapons is less impactful compared to other stats.

So that's why WR is the dump stat on all force weapons be they staff, force sword, or FGS. VoidSTRIKE is the only one with blast radius as the dump stat, but that's because higher blast radius makes it harder to headshot.

*Please note that voidSTRIKE and voidBLAST are different staves.

[strong gulch]

Y'all finally did it? I hope someone recorded.

[patent mango]

yea mister e streamed it

it was just slop

pure slop

[strong gulch]

https://tenor.com/view/sloppy-steaks-slop-em-up-i-think-you-should-leave-gif-22389111

[analog agate]

It is mostly because it scales poorly. Meaning the difference between 60 and 80 isn’t much. The theory on some builds is that low warp resistance allows you to get to higher peril faster to do more dmg because of warp rider. But, honestly, it doesn’t matter much. It is because the difference between low warp resistance and high warp resistance isn’t much

After playing so much. The logical theories (like ER = bad, low warp resistance = more dmg = good) don’t matter much in actual gameplay

[strong gulch]

It's a different way to play and toes the line of meme if you dump WR to hell. Sometimes it is full on meme.

If you're doing FGS with shriek (assumed creeping flames), there is a case for lower than 60 WR so that you get enough peril if you do 2 specials to get to high enough peril to get full stacks of SB (soulblaze) from shriek.

But, whatever works for you and your flow is fine.

Also also, some weapons have different peril gen. So inferno and voidblast both at 60 WR generate different amounts of peril.

[obtuse walrus]

Do what's fun

[hasty silo]

that's a frontend of maelstroom i think

only difference is filterable along with slotting you directly into the mission rather than saving it

[torn kernel]

why are smykers all over aurics all of a sudden

they weren't here before the event

[deft stump]

They have always been there.

[warm flare]

pysker is balanced
the pysker build in question:

[prime elk]

mfer slinging assail shards

https://tenor.com/view/make-it-rain-arcade-fire-cards-cash-throw-the-cards-gif-16225798

[torn kernel]

i guess i gotta do havocs now

[warm flare]

gotta steal everyones kills

[torn kernel]

is uncanny worth putting on illisi?

[brazen rampart]

Yes, but not for killing maulers/crushers. It's mainly for bucketheads.

[torn kernel]

i've been using deflector/slaughterer as a sidearm for my EK build

[brazen rampart]

Really the only thing that matters on illisi is slaughterer.

[torn kernel]

might drop deflector because it's uh meh

[brazen rampart]

Uncanny is just nice to make bucketheads easier to kill.

[torn kernel]

fair

i could also just go shred/slaughterer

or maybe executor

[jovial juniper]

Unc Slau

[torn kernel]

bet

[pale rock]

Anyone willing to help me out with Malleus Monstronum?

[dull scroll]

the eternal EP vs DD dilemma

[deft stump]

I think I mentioned you can poke @upper sun . I would help if you can find at least one other tbh.

[torn kernel]

i ❤️ double Ds

i can help ig i'm not doing anything rn

[brazen rampart]

Lumii was trying to tell me that ep was better across the board over dd even though the only thing ep does is give you more pierce on assail while dd boosts your kit across the board and gives you better damage on assail.

[deft stump]

I'll go eat after though.

[torn kernel]

free charges & 0 peril cost could be good for SG memes i guess

isok

[brazen rampart]

It's halved peril cost, iirc.

So 5%.

[dull scroll]

ep assail also gives you and team shit ton of tough regen, the choice prob hedges on the melee weapon, if you have good clear melee DD wins out

[torn kernel]

[brazen rampart]

Interesting, I misremebered it despite running it the other day.

[torn kernel]

unless the description is off

classic fatshark

[deft stump]

Remind me to try to do that 2 samples in 5 sec thing some day.

[deft stump]

What's your friend code btw?

[torn kernel]

dude i've been trying to get it since excise came back

pubs keep putting them in

[deft stump]

I guess he got random pug helping him.

Want to just run something once while lunch cooks?

[torn kernel]

why not lol

[pale rock]

0168570033

Sorry, I joined a Havoc group for one mission

[torn kernel]

sent you an invite

[deft stump]

Yeah, nights. Going to finish my food, lul.

[torn kernel]

it's confirmed, every time i team up with Karien the director hates us

we're cursed

[deft stump]

Surprised it still warm.

Nobody believed me lul.

[torn kernel]

i swear i dodged that trapper

[deft stump]

Director hates us.

[torn kernel]

even the servers hate us it seems lmao

[deft stump]

Seems normal, I guess.

[torn kernel]

[plucky flax]

[torn kernel]

yea but you're used to having 300 ping

[deft stump]

.-.

Still sucks though.

Honestly, is just FGS on me, I can't use heavy weapons lmao.

[torn kernel]

fair lol

[deft stump]

Is just funni for DH.

[torn kernel]

I love my fgs i use it on everything 😔

[deft stump]

Knoife!

[pliant sage]

Is DD bugged for anyone else?

it doesn't seem to be giving me stacks nor applying the increased duration from one of the perks

[summer prairie]

it's just a visual bug and the icon you are seeing is the movement speed buff

[deft stump]

Get the better buff bar mod

[pliant sage]

okay thanks

I was concerned cause like there is the penance and I had no idea how many stacks I had

[deft stump]

You know when at max since that'll tick then.

[pliant sage]

I hope they fix the bug soon then

[summer prairie]

if you disable the aura buff icons, it will probably more reliably show the DD stacks

[pliant sage]

how do I do that

[summer prairie]

options -> interface

[pliant sage]

ty

[quaint umbra]

I'm praying to Omnissiah, give surge staff rending shockwave or similar blessing. That would make realy decent anti elites staff

[potent echo]

Everytime I use FGS I do huge badonkers boss damage

I'm so happy 🥹

[quaint umbra]

fgs?

[cosmic sigil]

Force great sword

Big Sword Energy

[vernal temple]

"Walk softly and carry a big sword." - Ciaphas Cain probably

[marble crater]

It already is a great anti elite staff

[copper jay]

Thanks ! What is ER ?

[brazen rampart]

Empyric resolve, the -40% peril gen talent.

[night garnet]

does inferno staff kill count as a warp kill?

[marble crater]

Almost everything a psyker does is a warp kill

Guns and normal melee kills are the only thing that aren't warp kills.
Kills with a force sword special are also warp kills

[night garnet]

so that toughness on warp kill node seems pretty strong

[marble crater]

[plucky flax]

I don't use it cos veri pro

[night garnet]

i veri nub

[jovial juniper]

Yeah Soulstealer is goated

[night garnet]

i'm usin it

[weary crane]

When you have a crit per second so mettle is enough

[weary crane]

When did reaper get added to flak armour lol

It's in flak, carapace and unyielding, and has a huge unarmoured weakspot

[tribal tide]

Is there any map better for the Malleus Monstronum penance?

[deft stump]

No. You can try monstrous specialist. You gamble on it for normal missions with a Slab oggy to tank DH otherwise.

[tribal tide]

That's what I thought, but just wanted to check hehe

[deft stump]

On some maps, you can kite and BB BoNs.

[copper jay]

So I tried Inferno staff with full stats

... This is not even the same game now ...

[fading patrol]

Dont remember if heresy have a guaranteed monster, but if theres no monstrositt maelstorm do consignment yard

[copper jay]

How is the fanatic flamethrower in comparison with the inferno staff ?

[fading patrol]

Or dark communion
Both have guaranteed monster spawn

[deft stump]

Heresy no guarantees of a spawn. Not even DH with me and Idyll's luck. Why we just had the person we help just BB the BoN lmao.

[fading patrol]

Then go bigbrain and do two maps i mentioned above

Or lights out

[tribal tide]

But for the penance do I also need to kill the monstrosity myself (or do teammember kills count too after there was enough damage).
Seems counter intuitive to slow down a boss fight for just a penance really

[deft stump]

Safer for you to 100 to 0 the boss alone.

Bots may ks, has happened to me when I did it ages ago.

Did not get it cos the bot did the last hit.

[tribal tide]

lol

[jovial juniper]

Flamer does more damage and have slightly longer range iirc

The tradeoff is ammo requirement

[vernal temple]

man the more I play psyker, the more I'm convinced that the Loner is the only adequate of the three personalities

can't stand playing as any other

[nocturne dust]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1046914150363844779/1310894228339167334/Fire_Elmo_V5.gif

[deft stump]

And yet ppl think it's the worst. I just feel they have the most realistic takes. Like Seer is just the resident cloud cuckoolander and Savant just feels too tryhard optimistic in a way.

[copper jay]

Why ? You dont like Seer ?

[nocturne dust]

Beloved says you suck

[copper jay]

Yeah Savant is weird and pro cop

[nocturne dust]

Lemme put it this way: it doesn't make any sense for you as a citizen of the Imperium to not be a heretic or suicidal unless you are crazy or optimistic.

and to be fair

Loner is a heretic

People have been shot for way less in the Imperium

[jovial juniper]

Wrong
Savant is right there

[vernal temple]

Savant is a former enforcer, so basically he's a government bootlicker and he stands by everything that the Imperium stands so, so he's okay with hurting the little man for whatever goals of the Imperium are.
The Seer is just plain crazy and most probably corrupted by Tzeench (their beloved) to a degree.
Meanwhile the Loner is the only one who sees the Imperium for that it is and has empathy to the little man who is worth basically nothing for the Imperium. Remember how many times he expresses his concern about the wellbeing of the factory workers and criticizes the living conditions of the little man.

[nocturne dust]

The Seer is the most sane one, actually

[weary idol]

Savant is by far the most empathetic to the little man voice in the game what are you on about

[deft stump]

I know, thus loner has most realistic takes.

[jovial juniper]

Can't believe you say that about Savant when they show concerns about the citizens

We fight for the innocent 🗣️

[copper jay]

Loner critize and do snark remarks to every member of the squad. I rerolled her because I dont want to be a mean person 😢

[weary idol]

They are literally constantly going on about how they're worried about the citizens of Atoma, and questioning the morality of the Inquisitions stance above the law

[weary idol]

And yeah that's literally one of their "for the emperor" voicelines

I get Savant psyker is a rare voice but come on

[vernal temple]

The fact that the Savant is a former enforcer nullifies all that empathy they express. The Savant was fine with putting the little man down right until the Imperium put them in the Black Ship.

[nocturne dust]

Seer also ruminates on the darker aspects of the Imperium and the suffering of the people, he just, y'know, does in between MY BELOVED SAYS KILL

[copper jay]

Female one is the most used

[copper jay]

"He tried, he really tried"

[weary idol]

No they weren't. When talking about their past they will often literally remark that the Lex isn't just. It's just all they have

[nocturne dust]

"BELOVED, BRING HIM BAAAACCKKKK"

[patent mango]

surprised i havent seen a comic about seer doing oil painting yet

[weary idol]

Which fits in with the fact that their adherence to protocol, and the Lex itself is how they anchor themselves in reality

[patent mango]

they say they always wanted to paint in oils

[deft stump]

To be fair, is realistic to want ppl to focus on their own things than stare at a scoreboard of others.

[vernal temple]

Eh, Loner still sounds more sincere

[nocturne dust]

Seer is the only voice I actually register in pubs Everyone else is just background chatter I filter out

[patent mango]

seer posting

[vernal temple]

[nocturne dust]

Seer gaming

[vernal temple]

Why are you not paying attention?! LOOK AT ME, NOT THEM!

[nocturne dust]

The only other voice I always notice is the fem Fanatic Zealot

[deft stump]

And honestly loner cares too much about the ppl who might fear them.

[vernal temple]

"You want the Emperor's Truth? It is all around us. Behold! The destiny of mankind!"

and all that's around is waste-smelling constructions of the Torrent

[nocturne dust]

Got that line once in front of a servitor begging for help

[vernal temple]

Pieces of my mind are floating away...

[deft stump]

The suffering of the ppl, because they came from there. They never got picked up to be brainwashed like the Savant.

[nocturne dust]

Take me with you. Please. I'm so lonely.

[nocturne dust]

Mmmmmm, I dunno if any personality is really brainwashed by the Imperium... aside from the Zealots

[deft stump]

I think the loner just feels rough because they are just used to being targeted if noticed otherwise ignored or hated.

[vernal temple]

yeah, pretty much. that's why I feel like the Loner is the best. Sure they act all high and mighty because of their incomparable mind but what I like is that they aren't ashamed of being seen as an abhuman

[nocturne dust]

Question: wat psyker is ashamed of being a psyker?

[deft stump]

I mean, being bullied for being different/better makes you spiteful.

[vernal temple]

lore-wise it's more about the concept of being bullied for your abhuman nature (regardless of what type of abhuman you are)

[nocturne dust]

Sure, but no psyker is like that

[deft stump]

They just don't know how to react to less hateful people, like some of the vet (loose cannon), who just doesn't care much just that you are their squadmate.

[nocturne dust]

Seer is literally flaunting his strangeness 24/7

[vernal temple]

Loose Cannon is awesome

[weary idol]

Ironically it's the Cutthroat vet that likes the Psykers and Ogryn the most

Cutthroat especially likes the Savant

[vernal temple]

my fav loose cannon line is probably the "words of encouragement" he says to the Judge zealot: "Agh-hem! You're doing the best ya can! And I'm sure the Emperor is dead proud! And yer old mum!"

[deft stump]

To be fair... lul.

[weary idol]

https://youtu.be/MuMebddsCUg

[vernal temple]

ugh.. I hate the cutthroat

[deft stump]

More, Cadia this, Cadia that

[vernal temple]

does this looks like Cadia? I think it does

[nocturne dust]

https://tenor.com/view/speechless-no-words-i-dont-know-what-to-say-biting-tongue-dont-want-to-say-it-gif-16985510

[deft stump]

With that said, they are likly to end with their partner's heart being like Cadia cos they keep going on about Cadia instead.

[vernal temple]

Cutthroat: My advise - give up hope, hold onto vengeance!
Loner: ENOUGH WITH THE CADIAN POETRY ALREADY!

[deft stump]

Extra funny cos loner.

[marble crater]

Cutthroat doesn't even mention Cadia that much, you all are just jealous haters because he has the best VoC lines

[deft stump]

Wot. Loose Cannon best.

[deft stump]

"NO DYING TILL I SAY SO!"

And all the gremlin energy.

[vernal temple]

"WE AIN'T DONE YET!"

[deft stump]

And all the gremlin laughters.

Why go for boring Cadia spam?

When you can have pure gremlin energy, yes.

[marble crater]

LC banter in the mission is great, but I really don't like the VoC lines, they are last place for me

[deft stump]

You heretic.

[marble crater]

LC is the most likely to get executed out of the vet personalities

[deft stump]

Except they won't be there when people sus things. Too busy making profits elsewhere.

[copper jay]

@nocturne dustThe female Seer seems to act only with Beloved instead of others members of the team 😢

[marble crater]

So who is the heretic here?

Beloved is the best team member

[upper sun]

i have like 4 assignments for this weekend 😭 its time for a replacement maybe i can help tomorrow or smth tho

[deft stump]

We helped already. Flees.

[deft stump]

And they say the loner doesn't care at all. Hrmph.

[jovial juniper]

You know

Seer should count as two coherency

[deft stump]

Not the loose cannon, unless you are saying making $$$ is bad?

[marble crater]

In the time you make money you aren't killing heretics, so yes that's bad

[marble crater]

Fatshark, do that now

[upper sun]

LC should be able to loot shops on the way in chasm station

[deft stump]

Pifft, be smart, grab all the guns to resell.

[deft stump]

Yes, moar dockets to reroll. Loot!

[upper sun]

🚬 i have no use for mats anymore

i have several copies of every weapon i wanna play and the docket shop maxxed out

[marble crater]

So steal the guns from the imperium and let the heretics have an easier time against the emperor's forces?
Executed on the spot

[deft stump]

Steal heretics guns, obviously.

[warped perch]

Cladthony

Please don’t smoke

[upper sun]

🚬

[nocturne dust]

have you heard her cries when an oggie dies?

[marble crater]

Ogryn strongest and never dies

[nocturne dust]

Seer may always talk about Beloved, but female Seer is very appreciative of the group

Male Seer tho

Male Seer is psychotic in a medical sense. Man literally doesn't care if everyone dies.

All his teammate death lines are stuff like "Oh, Ogryn's gone 🤷‍♂️" and "There goes the Veteran". Man is just vibing.

[marble crater]

Of course he doesn't care, it's all just a dream after all

[nocturne dust]

Literally Male Seer when a teammate dies

[buoyant maple]

Cutthroat can be made significantly better with Scion helmet

[jovial juniper]

[pliant sage]

I like the cutthroat and savant interactions

[jovial juniper]

https://tenor.com/view/loki-very-sad-anyways-yes-gif-25083574

[pliant sage]

The savant psyker is like the only one who can get the cutthroat to be friendly

[jovial juniper]

Fem Sav and Fem Agi is also peak

[nocturne dust]

and meanwhile female seer is:

[pliant sage]

I love Savant, as funny as the sillies of seer and loner are

the kindness of the savant wins me over

[nocturne dust]

I don't switch genders a lot so Idk if any other personalities have big differences between them

[pliant sage]

I know fem and male loose cannon are very silly in how different they can be

male loose is like

'maybe I should just leave for my own safety'

fem loose is like

'hey I put a pipe bomb in me commisars lunch :)'

[jovial juniper]

Fem Pro is just done with zealots and kinda vibe with psykers
Male Pro is just Psyker prejudice

[weary crane]

Only range and speed to kill

Stagger, synergy, supression, ammo consumption, draw speed uptime and blessings are all better on inferno

[patent mango]

i hate this hecking goop

slop on the floor as far as the eye can see

[weary crane]

Have to parkour to avoid it

[patent mango]

lmao

[weary crane]

Corruption resistance deniers had a lot of copium when it was added

https://youtu.be/o3jjc4TxIrk?si=crX_og7xKoUaAt8z

[patent mango]

lmao they gotta fix the machine gun staff

[weary crane]

I was referring to the maps with this one lol

[patent mango]

watching my own gameplay from someones perspective is hilarious

i always just look like this charging at heretics lmaoo

[weary idol]

cryptid caught on camera

[upper sun]

oh yeah theres a spot like that in mercantile

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1046913589614747719/1289335646170779669/Warhammer_40000_Darktide_2024.09.27_-_23.14.59.20-00.00.03.331-00.00.38.475.mp4?ex=67b996a4&is=67b84524&hm=ab291ea1935f325ab51ac276ed6cbd77090f800e73b824a0f780420c9226801c&

[torn kernel]

wtf are those usernames

[broken carbon]

dorn grubs probably

[upper sun]

more like telo grubs

[upper sun]

a streamer popularized these

[plucky flax]

[fading patrol]

https://tenor.com/view/war-vietnam-ptsd-shell-shock-moment-gif-3022747568394546158

[modern pasture]

nah they need to be all caps LIKE-THIS

[fathom adder]

Why can't they have wholesome and lore accurate names like Dickot

[upper sun]

it was just a trend i am now a chaplain 🙏

[deft stump]

That's basically why she's a complete gremlin.

[proper osprey]

I’m 100% sure I’ve played with Alice

[radiant frigate]

male lc sounds like he doesn't entirely mean the things he says
fem lc sounds like she's about 2 steps away from desertion and mass murder

[upper sun]

which region?

[deft stump]

Mass murder of heretics is fine though.

[upper sun]

one is drunk and one is high

[radiant frigate]

they have this vibe

[upper sun]

theyre the most common vets i see

meanwhile cutthroat is mia since personality scourge

[radiant frigate]

true

my cutthroat became lc

show me your karking war faces :)

[sacred crane]

what about when another psyker dies?

[wooden sand]

Seer only cares about big brutes

[jovial juniper]

"oh my sibling is dead"

https://tenor.com/view/loki-loki-sad-yes-very-sad-loki-show-marvel-loki-gif-23592461

[sacred crane]

has penetration of soul been fixed yet?

[proper osprey]

Uhhh us west? Me thinks

[buoyant maple]

No

[upper sun]

not me then even for the few times i play on US its east

[proper osprey]

It needs to be like vets talent where it’s just a flat 10 rending

[prime elk]

lol nah

it should be fixed, but psyker's already pretty insane even without rending

[jovial juniper]

I do agree that 10% is pretty low

[brazen rampart]

Penetration of the soul should just be flat rending to warp attacks, change my mind.

[summer prairie]

peril based but all attacks

[brazen rampart]

I was thinking just flat rending to warp attacks only and it be conditionless.

Also lower soulblaze adms fatshark pls and thank you.

[patent mango]

gimme all attacks rending it'd be funny

waste 4 points to get slight rending for greatsword

[summer prairie]

warp attacks only just unnecessarily limits builds, even if melee/gun builds don't path that way anyway

[clear heath]

fatshark is full of cowards and should've indirectly nerfed soulblaze by making it actually hit cara on scab ragers

[brazen rampart]

Yeah, psyker needs more limits.

I know exactly what I'm advocating for.

[summer prairie]

warp attacks only just buffs the stronger builds, hardly nerfs psyker

[plucky flax]

Pls no

[jovial juniper]

free damage for smite

[brazen rampart]

It would shoehorn you into relying more on your warp attacks.

Mainly, though, I see it as a method of nerfing soulblaze.

[prime elk]

oh does SB not count as warp attack?

i thought it did 🤔

[summer prairie]

it does

[brazen rampart]

If pen of the soul only buffed warp attacks, then you nerf warp damage, especially via soulblaze adms, then psyker gets a major vibe check.

Also limits gunker dps with pc.

[prime elk]

that's prob too complicated for fatshart

[proper osprey]

[clear heath]

gunker would never grab this anyways

[brazen rampart]

It's a pretty simple way to reign in infinite scaling vs density with soulblaze, imo.

[brazen rampart]

That's the point.

[summer prairie]

gunker won't path there just for 10% rending

[brazen rampart]

I'm referring to a soulblaze adm nerf.

[clear heath]

like even if it worked, it's too far for gunker to reach

[brazen rampart]

If soulblaze dealt less damage, then gunker would do less damage with pc.

[summer prairie]

gunker doesn't do much damage with pc

if that's all they have

[clear heath]

even if it wasn't warp damage only, it would still only really matter for warp users

[brazen rampart]

Wrong, but ok.

[summer prairie]

depends on your definition of much I guess

[brazen rampart]

I have a recon and I count 3 shotgunners in a mixed horde.

That horde is cooked, literally, before I burn a fifth of my mag.

It's especially apparent if you have gunners mixed with chaff shooters, you can very easily cook the chaff shooters with pc by focusing gunners.

[prime elk]

comes out to 4-7% more damage per match, which is aight

[upper sun]

@warped perch i have been making broth for 3 hours now

[clear heath]

The only non-warp damage pen soul would ever matter for is melee, as only staff users path there anyways
If we make it all damage instead of warp only, we can use your logic to nerf dueling sword as well

[brazen rampart]

Good.

Ds needs to be nerfed into the ground.

[warped perch]

Oh wow

[patent mango]

wowie

[warped perch]

For soup?

[patent mango]

datatide is good lol

[upper sun]

ramen

[patent mango]

ok wow

[jovial juniper]

Welcome to my world

[raven mountain]

You're not wrong about this, and sometimes you can get 21+ stacks with a monster inside of a horde, but they're also right in that it's not that important.

For the most part, it's not on gunker to clear horde. If you can, that's nice sometimes, I guess.

[jovial juniper]

[patent mango]

lmao i never checked chained since i got enhanced descs

[raven mountain]

I love that mod. That extra info is so nice to have.

[patent mango]

most should just be shown in base game

[raven mountain]

Fatshark doesn't like to tell you things though, lol

[patent mango]

lmao

[raven mountain]

Does fgs Murderous Intent work with warpshock slash? Or only the melee swing portion?

Been messing around with a wave spam build, and I'm curious if swapping out the cleave for something else would be better.

[patent mango]

1s

[brazen rampart]

Imagine if chained deathblow was on greatsword...

[patent mango]

nvm i blew up and broke it

[brazen rampart]

(and it worked correctly)

[patent mango]

i dont think intent works on warp slash

[raven mountain]

Because even like 5% refund on warpslash would basically mean I can nearly spam it infinitely.

I have an 80 warp res with the 40% reduction and warp charge reduction, and I can already throw them out a ton.

[brazen rampart]

What does murderous intent do again?

Isn't that just the blessing version of crack of bone?

[raven mountain]

5% peril reduction on hitting 3 enemies.

[brazen rampart]

Oh, that's yucky.

[patent mango]

golden light is free rn

100% off lol

[raven mountain]

Basically, with that build, I almost never lmb except for some heavies into armor.

Warpslash > heavy is basically cleave into stab, and it seems like it does work.

So the extra cleave on chained hits is a bit of a waste.

Maybe I just wuss out and put deflector on it for the moments where I need to tank monsters.

[brazen rampart]

Wrath + shred.

Or riposte, if you feel like it has more value than shred.

[raven mountain]

I do unstable power and wrath normally. Scrier's is always high peril, and melee primary with shriek wants high peril too.

I have a second one for emergency melee use with a build that doesn't use purge or trauma, where peril isn't as assuredly high. That uses wrath+shred.

But this is for a third setup, where 95% of the time, my response to everything is warpshock slash. I'm not sure if wrath affects the wave at all. And I'm certainly not chaining attacks to build shred up, either.

[pliant sage]

okay turning off aura did not let me see dd stacks 😔

[vagrant onyx]

Wave not affected by wrath, the melee portion is (and that melee hit is a ton of damage)

[brazen rampart]

I'm gonna be real, my scriers setup is almost never at high peril because I'm abusing tf out of crack of bone and tranq through slaughter.

[prime elk]

yeah i kinda need wrath

my peril goes down too quickly

[raven mountain]

Tranquility through slaughter for sure. But crack of bone doesn't always keep things down. Keeps them under control, but not 0.

[prime elk]

under SG it'll go up eventually, but just not fast enough

[young falcon]

Somebody got angry that we were picking up grims for the event and rage quit

[elder glade]

[young falcon]

"Why did you pick up grims. This is auric, idiot" then leaves. Probably hated seeing all that corrupted health but still.

[elder glade]

Lmao

[pliant sage]

I meann I am a scripture enjoyer. I do not like the stinky fart books

but yeah thats wild

[marble crater]

Ah grims generally don't have a problem when people pick them up, if the skill of the team allows for it.
But if the person who went down 5 times already picks it up I question some things

[prime elk]

Same. Though I'll expect people to pick it up for the event tbf

[young falcon]

I'm gonna be real, I didn't know scrips and grims were different. It was also like literally one grim at the time and we were doing ok

[marble crater]

I played a few event missions and forgot all about picking up things, maybe because all the missions were lights out and nobody could see the books

[blissful solar]

i wish you could choose to spread the grimoire corruption manually. like maybe when you get the grimoire it automatically corrupts everyone. but then if you run up to teammates with the grim out you can absorb their corruption and take it all onto yourself

[jovial juniper]

Grims? You mean, free martyrdom stacks?

[weary idol]

using heretic technology?

[marble crater]

For what grims do they need to offer a bigger reward, outside of events.
Under normal circumstances they are simply not worth picking up. There are penances and that's really it

[prime elk]

Yeah it's shit rewards for a really significant burden

[clear heath]

what could they even give at this point?

[pliant sage]

Diamantine :)

I always need diamantine

[blissful solar]

there's not really a whole lot they could give, the game's crafting is too simple

[clear heath]

maybe just make it give another emperor's gift
so people can sell it for ordo/plas/dia if needed

[marble crater]

Outside of Aquilas there is nothing I would need personally, but would be nice for new players and the chronically poor

[dull scroll]

teams used to go ape shit if you pick up grims in auric, now people just fly through them

havoc turned boys into men

[clear heath]

i just grabbed grims to torture my friends

[pliant sage]

man I wish I was good enough to use martyrdom 😔

[clear heath]

martyrdom's easier than most would assume at first

[pliant sage]

I am just bad tbh

[blissful solar]

with until death it makes it barely any different

[upbeat kestrel]

this is not zealot saltzpyre type playing

[pliant sage]

I get low to have martyrdom then greg the random infected like shoemaker slaps me in the back of the head through my toughness and I collapse

[pliant sage]

h u h

[marble crater]

You could just play normally and if you lose wounds it's a nice bonus

[upbeat kestrel]

this

[blissful solar]

joining in-progress games with 80% of your hp missing has never felt so good

[pliant sage]

yeah thats true. I guess I am just too used to trying to not get hit in general, and being a shroudfield fiend

[clear heath]

yeah true
low hp martyrdom with until death still feels safer than being melee on psyker

zealot tanky as hell

[pliant sage]

love me shroudfield
love me corruption cleansing
simple as

[blissful solar]

still weird to me that martyrdom doesnt function properly above 3 diff

[clear heath]

the impossible 7th stack

[dull scroll]

what?

[pliant sage]

yeah I was always annoyed by that fact

[blissful solar]

you cant get enough wounds to get the maximum martyrdom stack of 7

[fathom adder]

Only thing to really worry extra about with Marty is barrels, bursters, and fire, everything else will kill you about as easily as most other builds. If you want durabilitymaxxing your best bet is probably Piety-Stalwart

[pliant sage]

martyrdom keystone should just give you that free extra wound imo

[dull scroll]

what do you mean by 3 diff, like above 3 wounds?

[blissful solar]

malice

[upbeat kestrel]

nerf martyrdom then

6 stacks max

[clear heath]

yeah it's basically the same
most of your deaths is still trappers lmao

[dull scroll]

how exactly does it not function properly?

[clear heath]

you can't get the advertised maximum stacks

[pliant sage]

when in heresy or damnation, you have 1 less wound, even with maxxed wound gains, you can never get 7 stacks of it

[dull scroll]

ohhh, nvm

thought the buff was bugged or something

[pliant sage]

at most, you can gave 7 total wounds, but can never get the nefarious 7th stack of martyrdom

[blissful solar]

technically it works normally but you just cant use it fully

[proper osprey]

Psyker chat I call upon you how good is warp splitting with the mk5 dueling sword?

[upbeat kestrel]

i think you can by having less than one full wound

[clear heath]

i have no idea but dueling sword couldn't possibly be bad

[upbeat kestrel]

correct me if im wrong

[dull scroll]

cleave is dump stat on ds, that should tell you all

[upbeat kestrel]

on psyker its fair game

on vet and zealot pussies use it

[jovial juniper]

It's just not really good

Because of the attack profiles

[proper osprey]

I mean this is for melee psyker with assail

[pliant sage]

I love the dueling sword RAA

I love GOLDEN TOUGHNESS RAAA

[dull scroll]

the cleave is good on assail, makes it pierce more targets

[proper osprey]

This is what I thought, I’m not using something like the dc or fgs

Where it wouldn’t be bad

[jovial juniper]

DS5 lights are assassin and Strikedowns, the first target takes okayish damage but the second target gets tickled

[proper osprey]

Real

[jovial juniper]

Although you could get 9 cleave on those lights

[clear heath]

get rampage and get even more

[pliant sage]

I think ogryns should get ogryn sized dueling swords

[proper osprey]

I’m debating between warp speed or warp splitting

[dull scroll]

ogryns should get normal sized ds, that would be funnier

[pliant sage]

ogryn toothpicks fr

[dull scroll]

they would squeeze it between thumb and index

like a toothpick

[proper osprey]

And the mobility is awesome it feels like I’m playing zealot but I don’t want to drop a good node that buffs my weapon and assail

[young falcon]

Nah, they holding it whole grip like a toothbrush

[clear heath]

imagining them swinging a stabbing weapon horizontally

[pliant sage]

I love this thought

we should give ogryns a las machine gun

trust

[clear heath]

just a thin ass rod and they'll be doing sweeps with it

[fiery stratus]

They should nerf ogryn some more

take away all ogryn TDR

[patent mango]

give ogryn a greatsword

[pliant sage]

Real

[patent mango]

give ogryn whatever vet is going to get instead

like they gave zealot power gs

[pliant sage]

I have a super cool and epic ogryn weapon idea that fat shark should absolutely make

[fiery stratus]

First they should make most of ogryns weapons not garbage

[pliant sage]

Machine gun with front shield so I can have double shields. they call me john shield

[patent mango]

8 of ogryn's 12 weapons are just slop

[pliant sage]

I LOVE SLAB SHIELD RAAAA

[patent mango]

can they make a new slab shield with a moveset

[pliant sage]

thats too much thinking for ogryns

you press button and slam, press again to slam again

and repeat, good for ogryn brain

[patent mango]

they can handle pickaxe so they can handle light attacks

[blissful solar]

i have 1 hp but only 6

[marble crater]

Literally unplayable

[prisma igloo]

This is a sad thing where it counts based off wounds not raw health points

[clear heath]

drop to 0 for the full martyrdom experience

[patent mango]

meta minmax marty by playing in lower diffs for extra wounds

[clear heath]

the malice martyr

[jovial juniper]

then nothing requires 7 stacks of martyrdom on malice

https://tenor.com/view/morgana-persona5-existential-crisis-distorted-warp-gif-17188270

[patent mango]

mayb dclaw does

[brazen rampart]

Fallout bumper sword.

[wooden sand]

We don't need to rip-off someone else

[patent mango]

guts berk ogryn

[jovial juniper]

Nuts from Berk or something

[wind falcon]

Heheh

Nuts

🥜

[weary crane]

+100% cleave assail macro

with dd and gaze lingering

[radiant frigate]

that's crazy

[upper sun]

u have a macro addiction

[patent mango]

3 onions

[upper sun]

6 wounds is max stacks above malice

[upper sun]

do u wanna play

[weary idol]

no EP for more cleave 0/10

[weary crane]

ep increases assail cleave?

[strong gulch]

Ye.

The most cleave is with both assail mods, warp splitting, and EP.

[weary crane]

how much by? fatshark fails to list it

[strong gulch]

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3094028505

Power is older term for Strength.

Strength (previously named power) is damage, stagger, and cleave.

[marble crater]

I think we should rename the classes

[strong gulch]

Make them as unhelpful and confusing as possible to stick with FS naming praxis.

[upper sun]

no its the correct term

[patent mango]

ok

how do i play

[patent mango]

big guy
gun guy
creature
voidguy

[upper sun]

😭

[fiery stratus]

https://tenor.com/view/la-creatura-dog-angry-mad-gif-16725854

[patent mango]

https://tenor.com/tGbiuoQ3kVL.gif

rivulet posting

[upper sun]

wait lmao

did you get rewards?

[patent mango]

huh

[upper sun]

you joined while i was in mission complete

[patent mango]

what

i dont think i did

lol

[upper sun]

game is infinite loading

i think

i

you know what

im gonna sleep early today

sorry @patent mango

i spent like 4 hours cooking im tried 😭

[fiery stratus]

I can play some. Need 10-15 minutes prob

[patent mango]

let him cook

[fiery stratus]

https://tenor.com/view/sunnyfication-gif-20299408

[upper sun]

i made broth and a bunch of veggie/meat packets

so now i effectively have like 15 meals made

[slow wharf]

hell yeah, loved Legend of the Galactic Heroes. top 5, easily. (late reply lol)

[tepid python]

a month ago but still based, lotgh is easily a top 5 yeah

[fiery stratus]

https://tenor.com/view/undertaker-coffin-just-woke-up-wwe-gif-5289384

@patent mango

[patent mango]

how

[fiery stratus]

[patent mango]

https://tenor.com/view/rain-world-slug-pup-slugpup-rainworld-golden-slugpup-gif-10782127558544416935

[fiery stratus]

@patent mango Gaming? https://discord.gg/rJJGg2KM

Mic optional

[patent mango]

ok

gotta open videogame

ok i got past the first loading screen 2 more i think

[fiery stratus]

classic darktide

[patent mango]

who exploded

oh oh i got past the 2nd loading screen

oh my god

i got past the 3rd loading screen i mfree

8725919421 code

[patent mango]

warhammer

afk

[steep kindle]

Hey all, I've been looking for a new Pskyer build, played some of the more major ones (Bowling ball, force GS, Purgatas flame) looking for something funny and niche, but still able to be played on high havoc

[prime elk]

sounds like you're looking for trauma

https://tenor.com/view/spongebob-meme-trauma-imagination-gif-27497908

[steep kindle]

oho? mind sending link?

[prime elk]

link? it's just a staff

you can play it with any generic staff build basically

could prob repurpose your purg build and just use it for trauma

[small whale]

YOU MEAN VOIDBLAST

[prime elk]

https://tenor.com/view/the-office-stanley-did-i-stutter-sarcasm-gif-3537210

[patent mango]

i gotta go

[patent mango]

you mean conflagration staff

[long wharf]

nah, no actual projectile being fired

that said, someone should make a mod that adds the "falling projectile projected path" to the trauma staff secondary aiming

it'll immediately remove all confusion in learning how to aim it

[patent mango]

i think it should be a projectile and bounce off walls

[long wharf]

that'd be neat

[patent mango]

blessing to do extra dmg per bounce

[long wharf]

I've said since release that I wish trauma left a patch of lingering warpfire

[patent mango]

when does bigfish drop in a technical ranged wep

[long wharf]

I also wish the aiming was simply where we look

[patent mango]

melees got such cool movesets then ranged weps are likke

"ermm ermm spam m1..."

[long wharf]

problem with making ranged really good is that it's an inherent advantage being able to kill outside of melee range

[patent mango]

oh i mean complexity

[analog agate]

Tale as old as time

[long wharf]

tale as old as physics, as humanity itself evolved to capitalize on the ability to kill things at range more proficiently than everything else

our shoulders are better adapted for throwing things above all known animals on earth

[patent mango]

humans fell off

we need humans 2 with better melee

[long wharf]

that's called Great Apes

they have super small penitses

[analog agate]

As an aside. Using an atlatl is awesome. I remember trying it in middle school

[long wharf]

so major no go for human females.

[fringe garden]

It's crazy how much physical strength humans gave up during evolution

We're the weakest of bitches for our size and weight

[long wharf]

because having brains was such an evolutionary advantage that it overrode all other evolutionary pressures

we can survive in nearly any environment on the planet thanks to our ability to reason and modify our environments and ourselves

[brazen rampart]

Adrenaline exists.

Also it's not that we simply "gave up" that strength, if we were allowed to use all of our strength, we would literally kill ourselves by accident.

Your brain only limits you so you don't hurt yourself.

[copper jay]

What are the best curios for Psyker ? All toughness like in this build ?

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9bbecaec-aadf-4a9f-b9c1-fca8d922a87b/aqshy-psyker-brain-rupture-venting-shriek-empowered-psionics

[long wharf]

I run a x3 stamina and two toughness

toughness is now the name of the game in survivability

[brazen rampart]

I run the same curios.

That build is also terrible btw.

Ep bb should be run with double walls.

Also I do not believe carapace damage is needed on deimos.

I dont think it makes you meet any different breakpoints on crushers or maulers.

And combat ability regen is bait.

It's 3.4s shaved off if you run all 3 curios with it. Not worth it when you could have 15% more health.

[long wharf]

I disagree - if you're running end-game content, that 3.4s is a big deal

as a psyker, you're going to get smacked hard if you get hit

you're better off being able to ult more often, especially defensively

[brazen rampart]

Quite a simple fix. Don't get hit.

[long wharf]

exactly- if you aren't getting hit, no need for more health

[clear heath]

I think cdr isn't bad

on shriek it's giving you more dps

[long wharf]

I run +toughness, +stamina regen, +cdr on all curios

on all classes

[brazen rampart]

You can always position better to not get your shit rocked.

[clear heath]

which is why i pick the dps option

which is cdr

[brazen rampart]

Until you get fatsharked.

[long wharf]

if that happens, you're going down anyways

or you get better

[brazen rampart]

Or your teammate is an idiot and blasts a burster you're trying to push.

[long wharf]

psyker really feels like a glass cannon now

[brazen rampart]

Not even.

[long wharf]

yep, shitty teammates happen

bad play happens too

[brazen rampart]

I feel no difference in durability between zealout and psyker.

[long wharf]

... then there's something wrong with you

zealot is worlds more tolerant to suboptimal play

[brazen rampart]

The only thing zealout allows me to do that psyker can't do is charge directly into a flamer through their fire.

[long wharf]

you get ridiculous toughness dr with zealot

[clear heath]

You feel no difference between 50 base health? Why are you advocating for curios that provide 22.5 hp total then?

[brazen rampart]

Yeah, I feel no durability difference because I don't take damage.

[clear heath]

hypocrite

[brazen rampart]

You do realize chip damage is unavoidable, right?

[long wharf]

he's literally arguing against his original point

[clear heath]

yeah so how do you not notice 50 hp?

[brazen rampart]

I'm not out here getting slugged by four ragers, but I do get chipped every now and then.

[long wharf]

if you never take damage, chip damage is also nothing to be concerned about

[clear heath]

pick one
do you care about the hp difference or not?

[long wharf]

psyker has amazing ability to keep toughness topped off

which helps against chip damage

[brazen rampart]

I dont, because I get chipped once or twice between every medicae station, if I even get chipped at all, and I've got plenty of hp to not care about getting chipped to begin with, because I run +15% across my curios.

[long wharf]

but psyker is far less forgiving for getting your shit kicked in out of nowhere

every other class can resist that shit kicking

to a point

psyker has no point - it's immediately in death territory

[brazen rampart]

Psyker can also do stupid shit and face tank a lot of chaff because of how many sources of toughness gen you have.

[long wharf]

aka far less forgiving when you aren't John Darktide

[prime elk]

Why do people keep thinking this lol

[brazen rampart]

I can legit eat 3 hits back to back with no hp damage because soulstealer replenishes so much toughness.

[long wharf]

Psyker isn't face tanking ranged attacks, it's dodging them automatically

[patent mango]

soulstealer cd 🔥

[long wharf]

which is fantastic, until it's off

[brazen rampart]

Low base hp = "muh glass cannon."

[long wharf]

psyker is genuinely more complex to play optimally than the other classes

[brazen rampart]

No it really isn't.

In fact, it's easier.

[long wharf]

it has more mechanics going at once that all work to make you feel survivable

[patent mango]

psyker is silly

some stuff is so broky

[brazen rampart]

Name any weapon or playstyle, it has two mechanics, max.

[prime elk]

yea the mindset of some people

[clear heath]

none of the classes are really that complex if you pick easy builds

[patent mango]

ermm ermm greatswor

[brazen rampart]

Purg staff, pretty simple, spam m1s if ragers, otherwise hold m2 till the cows come home.

[broken carbon]

optimal psyker play is hold M2+M1 with infernus, shriek

or bubble infernus/voidblast

[patent mango]

purg staff is sooo boring tho

[brazen rampart]

Greatsword, hit head, win.

[long wharf]

FGS isn't the best melee weapon for the psyker

[brazen rampart]

That goes for any melee, really.

[clear heath]

purg staff dueling sword is brainrot

[patent mango]

im not using ds

[brazen rampart]

This is just flat wrong.

Like objectively.

[broken carbon]

and what is

[long wharf]

dueling sword, clearly

[patent mango]

dclaw

[analog agate]

Ds iv

[patent mango]

i mean yea

ds just needs a nerf

[broken carbon]

they’re about equal imo

[brazen rampart]

Not even ds4 is as good as fgs.

[long wharf]

ds4 is easily the most performant melee weapon in the game

[brazen rampart]

Ds4 can't instantly clear a room.

[long wharf]

neither can fgs 🙂

[brazen rampart]

Yes it can lmao.

[patent mango]

thing about ds4 is that it has no real investment

[broken carbon]

special

[calm sapphire]

Yes it can

[brazen rampart]

You have no idea what you're talking about if you think it can't.

[patent mango]

you can just slap it on cause it has no downsides

[long wharf]

special has falloff damage based on range

[brazen rampart]

I walk into a room
pop scriers
special
everything not ogryn shaped dies

[patent mango]

fgs has like at least 1 big downside

[brazen rampart]

Its an instant room clear.

And you can comfortably hit crusher 4shots with no damage buffs.

[long wharf]

4 shot a crusher? as opposed to two heavy stabs?

[analog agate]

Pfoenix is talking about psyker as a whole. Not just gun psyker.

[broken carbon]

“no damage buffs”

[brazen rampart]

I am also talking about psyker as a whole.

Fgs is great even on staff builds.

[patent mango]

fgs enjoyer 🔥

[brazen rampart]

You hold the charge for so long, you can just draw and tap something to refresh it, so you have a room clear in your pocket.

[analog agate]

Yeah it is. Ds iv is better. Better mobility. Better dodges. Better repositioning

[patent mango]

i just wish charged strike was good it'd work well with it

[long wharf]

FGS is fun and all, but it isn't clearing rooms without SG

[brazen rampart]

Yes it is lmao.

I only pop gaze to get the instant 10% free damage.

[long wharf]

and you lose the mobility the ds4 gives you

[clear heath]

yeah you're right, i failed
it only does like 2200 damage to the bulwark
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/922136978865156168/1314098608467083335/force_cleave_killfeed.mp4?ex=67ba06f3&is=67b8b573&hm=1983ec391440fc63722d689439bbeb4281c7b639b04433a71477cb17f70eb807&

[brazen rampart]

Which isn't even necessary to make fgs clear a room.

You don't even need max charge to clear rooms, either.

One bar kills all chaff, even moebian 21st on havoc 40.

[patent mango]

lock in get bulwark 1 shots 🙏

[long wharf]

yeah that's great

[patent mango]

idk if it even can

[clear heath]

piss poor damage of 2000 damage with infinite cleave
useless

[brazen rampart]

"Erm it has damage falloff!" ☝️ 🤓

Big deal, get closer.

[prime elk]

damn now i want to play fgs again

[patent mango]

same

and i just did that

[brazen rampart]

Anyway, point here is, fgs is objectively the best melee weapon for psyker, and it's not even close.

[clear heath]

Idk, arguing against fgs and ds4 is weird because fgs is stronger in a vacuum, but ds4 is optimal in the stronger builds (inferno)

[brazen rampart]

Mk6 if you want a better single target profile, mk8 if you want generalist, go nuts.

[patent mango]

inferno is so silly tho

[clear heath]

like fgs is a stronger melee but the optimal build doesn't melee much

[brazen rampart]

Ds4 also means you smell bad, though.

[patent mango]

do people enjoy just spamming it

[clear heath]

very true

[patent mango]

its true

[long wharf]

well, I'll be the first to admit I am no John Darktide

[calm sapphire]

Ds4 is better objectively for purgatus n trauma

[brazen rampart]

You want ds4 without smelling like poop? Use mk6 fgs.

[long wharf]

I find that whenever I need to suddenly melee stuff in my face, the time to charge up the fgs for a special would be better served by whipping out the ds4 and dodging

[broken carbon]

kid named push

[patent mango]

i feel like deimos is just ds2 but "force" sword

[long wharf]

when you have it and not bubble, sure

[brazen rampart]

Meow is talking about the push attack, which staggers crushers out of overheads and opens bulwarks.

[patent mango]

opening bulwarks is so nice

frick them

[long wharf]

it does?

[patent mango]

they're all stinky

[long wharf]

I basically never push attack

[brazen rampart]

Mk8 push attack chains into a stab which can oneshot crushers with the right buffs btw.

[patent mango]

for mk6 special chains into stab

[broken carbon]

wha

the block push

and push attack

[brazen rampart]

He was confused and thought you meant shriek.

[long wharf]

I thought you meant VS

[broken carbon]

ohg

[analog agate]

“With right buffs” is doing HARD carrying with that saying

[brazen rampart]

No, not really.

15 stacks of dd and a few seconds in scriers isn't hard to get.

[long wharf]

anyways, I'm a "decent but not great" player

[broken carbon]

it’s just a crit with precog and a bit of SG up iirc

ohg and DD

[brazen rampart]

Don't even need precog.

[broken carbon]

i think

[patent mango]

u don need precog

[broken carbon]

i don’t actually remember

oh

[patent mango]

i do think u need a crit tho

[brazen rampart]

I dont use precog on my sword.

[broken carbon]

well i run it anyway

because i’m cooler than all of u

[long wharf]

so if it requires optimal gameplay to make something great, I'm not going to see that

[patent mango]

isnt unstable better than precog or r u running both

[brazen rampart]

I run wrath and riposte.

[broken carbon]

riposte precog

[brazen rampart]

Lumii runs wrath and shred.

[patent mango]

idk if precog good...

[patent mango]

funny dodging

[broken carbon]

actually i might run shred instead of riposte

i don’t rember

[brazen rampart]

Run shred and riposte, critmaxx.

[analog agate]

Sorry not sorry. But it is pointless talking with zealot players on best things on psyker when all they play is play is gun psyker and now only play fgs

[brazen rampart]

[analog agate]

Peace

[patent mango]

what

[brazen rampart]

I dont only play gunker but whatever bro.

[broken carbon]

“hmm these people made a good point, i will now call them zealot players and leave. pwned.”

[brazen rampart]

I literally have to main staff in my havocs because I have to babysit two people.

[patent mango]

i've always played psyker my zealot is my 2nd lowest lvl

[clear heath]

i main both

[long wharf]

zealot with relic blade is so god damn fun

[brazen rampart]

It's just pretty simple that ds4, while having insane damage, is not the best objective weapon for psykers melee options.

[long wharf]

wading into a crowd swinging and making easy forward progress is peak zealot feeling

[broken carbon]

methinks it only is on purg and maybe trauma

[prime elk]

relic blade? you mean room blender 9000

[brazen rampart]

Ds4 lacks horde clear, fgs doesn't. They have similar single target damage output, but fgs can clear a room in one swing.

[long wharf]

the Emperor's Slap Chop

[brazen rampart]

The only gripe I have with fgs is that chestpieces with the big metal vambraces block your view when doing overheads.

[patent mango]

lmao

[brazen rampart]

I can't see SHIT with the storm witch redemption raiment on.

[broken carbon]

ds4 has the benefit of force staggers and mobility

and quick attack speed

which with purg staff lets u quickly deal with whatever survives the fire

[patent mango]

i thought u meant force as in warp for a sec

[brazen rampart]

I wouldn't say quick attack speed, the heavy speed is pretty comparable between the two weapon classes.

[broken carbon]

most other situations, FGS performs similarly if not better

[patent mango]

in fun tier list ds4 is like a C tbh

[brazen rampart]

Force staggers and mobility, I will concede to, but that doesn't really matter when you can kill everything outright anyway.

[clear heath]

It's just gonna come down to what metric you're looking at.
Dueling sword is stronger in the strongest builds, because those builds just need a single target sidearm
FGS is better for builds that actually care about melee

like an inferno build literally doesn't care how well the melee weapon can room clear

[patent mango]

give inferno cleave cap

it'd be hilarious

[proper osprey]

Nay

[long wharf]

I hate the aiming with trauma, purge still doesn't feel particularly good

I miss the OG surge staff

[proper osprey]

Let me love my staff

[patent mango]

nuh uh

evis cleave cap transferred to it

[proper osprey]

[brazen rampart]

Inferno and trauma need to be reworked to be less effective but I dont think damage caps are in order.

Tweaking base damage numbers and adms would be better, imo.

[patent mango]

perhaps

[brazen rampart]

Inferno mainly deals damage via soulblaze, and I already advocated for lowering soulblaze adms earlier.

[patent mango]

soulblaze specially overcapping is super silly yea

[young falcon]

Can't even get a good force gs or trauma staff roll

[prime elk]

https://tenor.com/view/palpatine-dewit-gif-11426456

[brazen rampart]

I think fatshark also needs to rework how things stack.

[clear heath]

please just make soulblaze hit cara on scab ragers so i can watch inferno players die to rager swarms

[brazen rampart]

Like soulblaze sources.

[patent mango]

im ok with it as long as it still counts as flak for fgs 🙏

[brazen rampart]

Actually I think they're fine having dots consider them flak, I just think they need more hp.

The fact that fgs can oneshot them without buffs is dumb.

[patent mango]

it can?

lol

[clear heath]

would it even matter? fgs hits cara for good damage anyways

[broken carbon]

please buff chain weapon maniac ADMs

[brazen rampart]

Iirc mk8 PA crit stab drops a scab rager without buffs, mk6 I believe can do it on chain heavy stab.

[patent mango]

evis cant even stagger crushers properly lol

[brazen rampart]

Please buff chain weapons.* there I fixed your request.

[patent mango]

chainaxe can

[brazen rampart]

I also wanna throw this out there that I am not too certain on mk6 breakpoints because it's not my preferred model and I don't play with it very often.

[broken carbon]

also true

[broken carbon]

mk3 can

mk15 cannot

without grievous wounds

[copper jay]

So you dont use curse resistance or + wound on curios ?

[patent mango]

mk15 fell off...

[patent mango]

not really

[prime elk]

wound is definitely a no no

[brazen rampart]

I take a +3 stam and 2 toughness curios, with x3 toughness, x3 hp, x2 gunner resist, and x1 sniper resist.

[long wharf]

not for general play, but if you want to do a ton of grim collecting, you could slap curse resistance on there

[prime elk]

corrupt resist could be ok sometimes? it's an extremely low priority pick though

maybe better in havoc

[patent mango]

havocs always got the built in cleanse zealot tho

[prime elk]

yeah prob

[brazen rampart]

Corruption resist is almost mandatory if you play melee psyker in havocs with blight.

[patent mango]

floor goop is horrible

fgs has range to deal with it but

its so guh

[brazen rampart]

Nurgleodeon slime is icky, yeah.

[prime elk]

free goop showers

[patent mango]

slop

[prime elk]

that nurgle lube

[brazen rampart]

I think I should kill you with rocks for saying this, sibling.

[patent mango]

kill him with hatchets!

[prime elk]

rocks?

https://tenor.com/view/hmm-suspect-gif-22611582

i think we have an ogryn pretending to be a psyker

[brazen rampart]

Fatshark, where's my goddamn falchion and axe?

[thorn cedar]

oh yea lube me up with that nurgle spittle before that slugussy throats me

[patent mango]

man kf3 is so slop

[young falcon]

https://tenor.com/view/darktide-warhammer-40k-ogryn-rock-gif-10374488513425509350

[prime elk]

it bad?

[patent mango]

remember launch dt

but like way more generic lol

[prime elk]

they prob made it as a mtx platform

not a game

[patent mango]

lmfaoo

[buoyant maple]

it doesn't even use the cleave mechanic

[patent mango]

true

[buoyant maple]

just cap the targets that can be hit per attack instance

and nerf soulblaze stack application across the board

[patent mango]

ye

[thorn cedar]

and take blaze away off of it because seriously what the fuck were they thinking lmao

[patent mango]

they saw the name of it and "hmm why not"

[young falcon]

"If fire why no Blaze away"

[prime elk]

true

[young falcon]

And thus the walking flamethrower was created

[patent mango]

game still has better balancing than rogue trader tho 🙏

[long wharf]

blaze away definitely needs to be removed from purge

and blazing spirit needs to be added to surge

[proper osprey]

What

[long wharf]

I've wanted surge to light things on warpfire since release

[proper osprey]

Oh my bad I read that wrong

And true I wonder what breakpoints it would reach

[long wharf]

dunno if any

but I want the original surge staff back

and I want blazing spirit on it