psyker-class

[polar swan]

Is there early build you guys recommend to make leveling better ?

[upper sun]

assail

[vernal pier]

psykers who don't know how to do anything when a single poxshitter is in melee range will tell you the class is bad

[marble crater]

assail

[upper sun]

and maybe a chainweapn for bosses

[polar swan]

Great ty guys for the info. I will try it now 🙂

[dull scroll]

and a gun, don't run staff with assail

[upper sun]

staves in general are kinda mid for levelling

you unlock trauma first and it has some very rough scalling

[marble crater]

Trauma bad (in early game)

[glacial vapor]

Personally, I think Brain burst/rupture to deal with the heavies. Early Psyker doesn't have great options for dealing with heavy units, unless you're running revolver/bolt pistol

[dull scroll]

ds4

[ebon sonnet]

And remember to melee if you're gonna get swarmed. Too many new psykers overcommit to the blitz and/or staves and get pummeled

[glacial vapor]

Especially with all the brute conscripts atm

[dull scroll]

ds4 is always the answer

[glacial vapor]

Why are we here, just to suffer?

[dull scroll]

or wait

when is that unlocked

but yes

ds4

ahem

[glacial vapor]

Probably have it by the time you can unlock the blitzes actually

[marble crater]

I will still use my EK staff against the 5 ragers in my face, thank you very much

[cold trellis]

level 6 already

[dull scroll]

it's just that ez

you beat the game by level 6

[upper sun]

🚬 i remember levelling my second zealot

it was hell

[marble crater]

Yes, leaving missions and joining again is difficult

[upper sun]

i didnt do it all the time ok?

i played 3 games fully

[marble crater]

3 full games, wow

[upper sun]

yes 3 whole games

and they sucked

one was a 45 minute maelstrom duo with another low level zealot

[fallow stream]

hilarious

[upper sun]

there were 9 deaths and none of them were us

by the 30 minute mark we were reviving just to take off agro for a bit

[marble crater]

Some zealots go stealth to drop aggro, you revive the team to drop aggro

[upper sun]

two people were level 30 and we were like levels 16 and 20 if they couldnt do anything ill do what i must

[zinc wedge]

Psyker is definitely the worst class to play imo how do I make it better

[fallow stream]

show us your builds and then we can offer advice

[zinc wedge]

I have to choose between brain blast (slow as fuck) or smite (quicksilver scene)

As lvl 12

[dull scroll]

wrong answers, you choose assail

[zinc wedge]

I'm running voidblast and devil knife

[upper sun]

as level 12 you should take assail

[summer prairie]

it's your grenade ability

[upper sun]

and i wouldnt really use staves until im level 30 with max mastry

[summer prairie]

do the grenades also make the other classes good

[fallow stream]

https://medal.tv/games/warhammer-40000-darktide/clips/jDjaurRaI8iPKb6NW?invite=cr-MSxwaWQsMjE0MTU3ODUwLA
are you sure

[zinc wedge]

What's with the ultra instinct sfx

[fallow stream]

successful dodges play a note from gokus ui theme
it's a mod

[zinc wedge]

I'll get that

[dull scroll]

and assail

[fallow stream]

its called weave nation

[tiny river]

That is so peak

[fallow stream]

i also have a mod that makes thunder hammers windup play the "KY" and "S" from lowtiergod

"NOW!!!"

[tiny river]

I haven’t really gotten around to modding Darktide

Mostly cuz im scared to shatter that vanilla-ness of it yk?

[dull scroll]

if you are playing from pc, count your blessings and get the essential mods

[tiny river]

Which are?

[weary crane]

None

[dull scroll]

the scoreboard 😇

[upper sun]

all of them

get all the mods

[weary crane]

Yeah which is broken and requires 10 other installations

[tiny river]

damn..

[tiny river]

I dont like the scoreboard, I feel like it would only make me more competetive and judgmental of other people depending on stats

[weary crane]

Skinnyfish just needs to add match statistics

[dull scroll]

I kid, here https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y1EhbM7koJ0&ab_channel=MisterE.

[tiny river]

Not that I had many issues with it in V2 cuz I mostly played it with friends and obv we’re not gonna take that too srsly

[tidal violet]

I'd say so.

Zealot Knife and Ogryn Rock are unironically probably some of their strongest ranged options before they start investing in their arsenal, and the Veteran can regenerate the damned things to either stagger entire hordes regardless of their compositions, delete some of the most threatening enemies in the game, or block all of their teammates's shots.

[tiny river]

rock make friend

Unironically love the ragdolls when you hit an enemy with a rock

[fallow stream]

hits u with rock

[tiny river]

9/10 they fly to narnia

[radiant frigate]

play nice, little rock

[weary crane]

Branx ragdolls goated

[upbeat kestrel]

Branx is good

But borovian is better

[plucky flax]

I agree.

[celest valve]

the only answer i have is 'git gud'

cause uh yeah it's a lot better once you get good at basic mechanics imo :x

because if you're not good at dodging and managing warp and all that you just like... do no damage and die

(honestly it's probably possible to make a mod that stops you from doing any action that would overload you )

[glacial vapor]

But that's such a big part of the class?

Modding gameplay away

[tribal tide]

Howdy all, I just returned back to play after a very long break hehe.
I just don't see how the flame staff is so good as people claim to be on heretic and above.
I get clapped around so hard lol.
Is the surge staff also viable more on higher levels? I kill a less, but I can control the battle field a lot more.

[celest valve]

i did try quell macro once

it was so silly i vowed never again

[celest valve]

ok so with the surge staff: left click

even without quell cancel left click is like... needed?

surge staff is much more based around left click with right click to kill tanky enemies compared to other staves where right click charge is 90% of gameplay

[wet charm]

Squeak (perhaps if you are new, but you will find that it is the strongest class once you learn to scurry well)

[marble crater]

All the staves are viable in auric and lower level havocs.
Inferno really scales into higher difficulty when there are a lot of enemies, because you can burn them all down, it's not as good on low density difficulty

[dull scroll]

it's not heretic and above, has to be in high havocs, surge very viable below havoc

[celest valve]

inferno is probs also the best horde clear weapon IMO cause it both CCs and burns them down fast

[tribal tide]

hmmm. Yea, haven't visited havoc yet so I have no idea about those.

[celest valve]

it's main weaknesses is lack of fast specialist clear and range, brain burst IMO deals with both of those weaknesses well

[tribal tide]

But even doing Auric the flame staff seems a bit underwhelming.
People say to use left click a lot too, in orde to stagger mobs. Right click set more stuff on fire and staggers too

[marble crater]

KF also helps with that, for flamers and trappers at least

[deft stump]

Naw, guy complains alot and blames teammates as well. Also kinda racist if you look at general.

[marble crater]

Maybe a build problem for talents or the staff?

[zinc wedge]

Me when the HISTG on malice gives me a lvl 4 and lvl 3 player

[tribal tide]

But need to train with the flame one before going into higher level stuff hehe

[hearty wolf]

Tbf he is talking as a level 12

[marble crater]

Who is lvl 12?

[dull scroll]

if you are not even 30 yet don't even pick up a staff and just abuse assail

[celest valve]

god i forgot i leveled psyker before any of that existed

[hearty wolf]

The racist or whatever

[marble crater]

Racist? What the fuck did I miss?

[celest valve]

please actually give message links at least or something and also that's more a mod thing

[deft stump]

And I'm more complaining about how paper I was instead of anything else, then end up +9 stam and well.

[hearty wolf]

"I want to be involved or stop talking about it!!!"

[deft stump]

Just look in general.

[celest valve]

"language of the west" ...ok fair.

[marble crater]

You can't start a conversation without any context and then be shocked when people have no idea what you are talking about, come on

[deft stump]

I'm from SEA, I clearly speak and type English... Also Singaporean but still. Weird accent is on request.

[plucky flax]

[celest valve]

but yeah basically psyker is very very strong... if you can adapt quickly and not get annihilated by a single melee enemy.

they have like IMO by far the strongest toughness regeneration mechanics in the game unless they select ER

[quartz barn]

Inferno does feel underwhelming in lower diffs and when you dont have the right setup

[hearty wolf]

Their weapons in general suffer more than other classes if not properly optimised

[upper sun]

purge does too much damage if you play it with warp siphon adn creeping flames spam

[celest valve]

oh

right i forgot the worst part of psyker scaling(and ogryn or really any ranged weapon scaling too)

[upper sun]

EP is more engaging to play tbh even if its less damage

[celest valve]

holy fuck bad stat weapons are bad

god staves are literally fucking useless at low stats

[quartz barn]

Yes hadron we get it

[upper sun]

yup staves are pretty rough

i spent the most on psyker out of any other class

[celest valve]

and some other ranged weapons are basically useless too. have you ever seen a plasma rifle with like... 160 max ammo? Because i have.

and for psyker it's doubly hard cause their "ammo stat" actively lies to you about how many shots you actually have left

"Hey Warp, can I do another full charge infernus right click?" "iunno hehe try it and find out"

and then you can somehow reach 100% while charging, fire for like 10 seconds while at 100% DESPITE IT CLIMBING, and still be fine.

[quartz barn]

Theres a lot of class specific niches too

[tiny river]

then you press m1 by accident on 100%

[celest valve]

like how the FGS gives you like +60% warp charge but can be used justt fine at 97% or so

[tiny river]

[hearty wolf]

That sounds normal to me

SI

[celest valve]

and it's the first 10 seconds so your teammates just see a psyker fucking exploding in havoc in the first 10 seconds

[dull scroll]

this class' got assail, stats be damned and case closed 😤

[quartz barn]

Assail is ass in high tier tho

[dull scroll]

of course, talking about lvl'ing

[hearty wolf]

Do crushers even spawn on uprising 😭

[celest valve]

assail can be somewhat better than it seems but warp splitting is probably OP and needs nerfs(and assail buffs with it)

[tribal tide]

@marble crater You said there might be a problem with eitehr talent build or weapon build.
So I made a little link to the build. Granted it's basically an online guide thing, but I did make a couple of changes.
I am also unsure to take either Kinetic Presence or Seer's Presence :
https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9e23a491-456d-4d23-9de9-bff40c744193/inferno-staff-4

[tiny river]

meet the demoman

I had that happen to me at one point, I watched a guy blow up and actually put my hands on my head like “how” 😭

[celest valve]

also assail is weird and a lot of people think the projectiles are uncontrollable despite it relying on controlling that's honestly so intuitive and natural most players do it without even knowing it exists

which is kinda amazing tbh

[tiny river]

Then I started playing Psyker and realized how easy it is to blow yourself up

[hearty wolf]

No KD with deflector is a bit strange.

[celest valve]

specifically it tracks your mouse with some amount of homing on heads

but people are so naturally inclined to track and flick to enemy heads that it just seems like it works without any conscious effort whatsoever

whoever designed assail controls should be applauded because goddamn it's smooth

[tiny river]

So its kinda like the half-life 2 rpg?

[celest valve]

....but also sometimes you get people who don't know that they're supposed to look at heads to guide the knives into them because it does quite a bit less damage on the body.

[dull scroll]

allocating that on purge? you'll get pox'd

[celest valve]

yeup, with a lil bit of intentional wobbliness

[marble crater]

Okay, the build is not the problem, because this is most definitely viable

[tiny river]

Interesting

[celest valve]

but this is why the projectiles tend t o kill a bunch of people in a line, but if you know how it works you can do beautiful wonderful things like

[tiny river]

Extra piercing my beloved

[celest valve]

you see three enemy soldiers in a line, and one of t hem on the right is a destined target?

[glacial vapor]

In specific parts of missions, yes. Like the end of Dark communion.

I saw them a couple of times on the mission where you defend a landing pad at the end of the nicer district

[hearty wolf]

New players in shambles

[tribal tide]

I'm sorry, but I don't even understand that sentence hehe.

[celest valve]

you can with the right mouseflick aim a projectile so it hits the one on the right, and then guides into the other two targets, each one becoming a highlighted target just before killed

boom 9 stacks of destined

[dull scroll]

you know those suicide bombers? your purge will proc that talent and blow them up in your face

[glacial vapor]

Same happens on sedition too, that was a surprise on one of my first ever missions

[marble crater]

That talent can trigger on poxbursters which would make them explode into your teams face, but I play with that as well and so far that hasn't been a problem for me

[celest valve]

and god the way it skips through the heads just to weave like a sewing needle into the next head

overpowering souls can be even better with the ranged target because the empowered assails can just murder huge groups of ranged elites

[marble crater]

Fixed an issue where deaths which bypassed the downed state were not considered as failing the requirements of the “The Insane” penance.

[tiny river]

Have you seen Guardians of the Galaxy?

[celest valve]

yes

[tiny river]

That whistle arrow weapon just popped into my head

You know which one right

[tribal tide]

Aha, yes I understand.
Think it has indeed happened once
But so it's a skill issue. Back to training it is !

[tiny river]

Reminds me of that

[celest valve]

https://tenor.com/9uJQ.gif

it is, literally, what assail is yes

[tiny river]

Yes that

[hearty wolf]

On Potato's true survivor run, Agent threw and died

but he got crushered

So we got saved

[tiny river]

God its SO COOL

[deft stump]

Git Gud fix, I guess?

[dull scroll]

not a skill issue lol, if you don't have that talent allocated you can safely push pox away with your purge primary

without having to switch to melee

very handy

[celest valve]

imagine if there was an assail talent that gave one BIG assail shard, and removed the ammo, but you couldn't have multiple shards out at once

improved duration and piercing too

[tiny river]

its over

[hearty wolf]

So brainburst but better

[upper sun]

Also! re: Excise Vault - A fix is being worked on and tested to bring it back to the mission board. 🙏 I know it’s taken longer than I first mentioned. Thank you for the patience.

TOMORROW

[tiny river]

fatshark please give psyker more telekenisis and my life is yours

[marble crater]

He redeemed himself in Karien's and my run

[celest valve]

nah, brainburst is safer

[upper sun]

nooo

[celest valve]

uh

wrong target

but

[hearty wolf]

I think I have an SS of that game somewhere

[marble crater]

Clad and Excise Vault return on the same day?

[tiny river]

Whats clad and vault?

[upper sun]

hell yeah

[tiny river]

I started playing after Grim

[marble crater]

He is clad

[upper sun]

ancient forbidden mission

it was taken off rotation for being too fun

[celest valve]

https://tenor.com/9uJJ.gif

[tiny river]

damn…..

[celest valve]

but god i feel like yondu already with assail

[hearty wolf]

yes this was the TS game

[tiny river]

Assail is really satisfying

[hearty wolf]

quite a fun one

[celest valve]

i just want an ability that reduces the horde clear ability in return for better viability at high levels

[tiny river]

Maybe instead of better piercing you could get like single shard that follows your mouse cursor until you let go or sum? But you couldn’t move during it or idk

[celest valve]

also fun fact theoretically it would only take like 0.25s to switch to assail, shoot a shard, and then swap back to FGS to start another attack

[hushed ruin]

am i the only one who just enjoys feeling like emperor palpatine

[celest valve]

i'd be okay with lack of/slower movement and obviously the warp cost would be increased to a large initial burst + every 0.25s or so

[celest valve]

only if playing EP smite tbh

[hushed ruin]

screaming unlimited POWAHHHH

[celest valve]

EP with +1 jumps can chain to an entire horde and kill it very efficiently

otherwise smite is... eh?

[tiny river]

Smite is good if youre on comms mostly

[celest valve]

ep smyker does not need comms

[tiny river]

True

[celest valve]

because they can, again, efficiently kill hordes

then it CCs elites for long enough you can swap to surge staff and finish everyone off

[hushed ruin]

i actually use EP on my lasgun build for psyker

[celest valve]

smite's also good as a 'secondary' tool that you use only for quick CC. right click charge, release immediately the instant it connects

[celest valve]

EP with what of the three abilities tho

[tiny river]

The stagger is nice for smite

[celest valve]

EP + Brain Burst is great for quick deletion of priority targets, with the guaranteed on elite kill talent it can negate the need for anti-elite tools otherwise.

EP + Assail is... horde deletion I guess? honestly assail needs something after the nerfs i think. a lot of people didn't use it because of it's power it's because it feels sexy as heck

me in auditory bliss as I just sling out shards at the same speed they regenerate, listening to their thonk as they bounce off heads...

immediately dying as I don't pay attention to warp during this and thus instantly die

[marble crater]

EP Assail is for oh, 10 shotgunners, bye shotgunners

[celest valve]

learning the side swipe is incredible for that when they're not in a neat line

honestly I wish the lifetime for assail would be increased simply so you could do more cool moves and more cleave with it let assail do cool trickshots with a higher skill ceiling than the other two blitzes

i think EP assail also has a longer lifespan however which is not mentioned

[deft stump]

Well, anything without armor funni.

[celest valve]

anything without armor higher than flak :v

also i like how the code name is psyker_throwing_knives

psyker having similar weapons to the zealot except it's always warp bullshit for the psyker

oh yeah assail on higher havocs also is good for 'weaving', as in it's the most efficient blitz to keep warp high

[deft stump]

Still, flak usually means naked heads to plink.

[celest valve]

primarily useful for the FGS

[celest valve]

tru :p

huh assail has special crit sounds on shooting

psyker_throwing_knives fuse times(how long they last, basically)

Regular: 1.5s after they impact anything, max lifespan of 2.5s in total.

Aimed: 3s in total.

also they deal 5 suppression in an area of 5 meters on impact it seems.

laughable 5% damage to carapace lol

(100% to unarmored, 75% to flak, 100% to maniac, 75% to infested that explains a lot tbh, i think 50% to unyielding)

[dull scroll]

now I start to wonder if the crusher knife trick with zealot can also work with assail

[celest valve]

thewhat

[dull scroll]

with zealot if your ds4 stack up on the armor pen blessing your throwing knife can start to chuck crashers

[celest valve]

oh

uncertain?

problem is that throwing knives is the only quick throw blitz i know of in the game

[cloud sequoia]

rate this build

[dull scroll]

you lost me half way down

[cloud sequoia]

im using right click surge staff / purgatus

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1057577531739475971/1336686230821408888/image.png?ex=67a4b58f&is=67a3640f&hm=7855f8d0f95d7d7273507255d7fa7712446002670081afcd50c85547cb6b2183&=&format=webp&quality=lossless&width=872&height=590

[upbeat kestrel]

I rate it one of many

[cloud sequoia]

it worked tho

[celest valve]

hmmm quell canceling can fire 4 shards a second neat.

[dull scroll]

a zealot out dps'd you time to shelf that build 😂

[upbeat kestrel]

One of the builds of all time

[celest valve]

or two aimed shards a second

[cloud sequoia]

tested on the Hi-Intensity Shock Troop & Poxbursters Gauntlet With Snipers (Extra Grenades & Barrels)

[broken carbon]

uncanny doesn’t apply to assail

[cloud sequoia]

https://tenor.com/view/sweating-nervous-gif-21041319

[broken carbon]

it used to, but was removed due to it being absurd

[marble crater]

I rate it: controversial

[cloud sequoia]

i might have more chill time if i use purgatus, using it with surge is too damn stressful

[celest valve]

surge feels not very stressful to me, the left click is neat

can handle small hordes alone

fries bulwarks and crushers

[cloud sequoia]

i tried it on poxbuster maelstorm thats why its stressful

got jumped by 3 insta death

[celest valve]

huh

            self._prevent_explosion = true
        end```

so that's why the warp tech exists

extreme warp charge threshold is (normally) 97%

        local base_warp_charge_template = WarpCharge.archetype_warp_charge_template(self._player)
        local extreme_warp_charge_threshold = base_warp_charge_template.extreme_threshold
        local diff = 1 - extreme_warp_charge_threshold
        local stat_buffs = self._buff_extension:stat_buffs()
        local warp_charge_reduction = stat_buffs.warp_charge_amount or 1
        local new_diff = diff * warp_charge_reduction

        extreme_warp_charge_threshold = 1 - new_diff

        local empowered_grenade = self._buff_extension:has_keyword(buff_keywords.psyker_empowered_grenade)

        if empowered_grenade or last_action_warp_charge_percent < extreme_warp_charge_threshold then
            self._prevent_explosion = true
        end
    end```

full calc

this (roughly) means that warp charge reduction modifiers like ER will slightly increase the extreme threshold

for example ER alone should increase it to 98.2%

[broken carbon]

that’s what they called me in highschool

[celest valve]

oh god i forgot. piercing damage template is for empowered psionics. and I think the piercing talent for assail is a completely different buff that buffs cleave for the projectiles.

piercing is not for piercing

[quartz barn]

Wait how close can you get to 100%

Because i literally cant blow myself up on my gunker setup even tho i try to spam assail at 100% without wu

[celest valve]

The value you see is a lie and not completely accurate.

[quartz barn]

Huh i guess it vents itself too fast

[celest valve]

yeup

You probably could blow yourself up quell cancelling btw, 0.25s fire time instead of 0.9s

[quartz barn]

Because when you reach 100% you get locked out of using assail for a bit

[celest valve]

oh yes

that's a 1.5s forced vent time I think it listed

might could quell cancel it tho although that's not recommended

[quartz barn]

Ye most just blow themselves up when they get staggered mid cast

[celest valve]

lol

enemies 'helping' a psyker quell cancel

that's kinda funny

[fading depot]

Kek

[celest valve]

also kinda moot but EP assail only increases the base damage on the aimed attack from 340 to 450.

also i find it funny that corruption is technically coded as a 'heal'

grimoires 'heal' the team

with a special purple form of health :3

[tiny river]

our ogryn is melting

[celest valve]

they're being healed this is normal

[tiny river]

maybe for Wolfer not the rejects 😭

Actually is Wolfer like rotted also cuz he worships Nurgle?

[celest valve]

eventually yes

they might be newly infected

[tiny river]

huh

neat

[celest valve]

also huh. i did not know being hit in melee stuns you even if you have toughness

0.2 'action_delay_', 0.3s stun with stun_immune_medium

(which means immune for 1.5s to further stuns i think)

being on fire has 0 action delay but 0.15s stun and a 2s stun immunity buff

[vernal dagger]

I’ve been playing with the electro staff a lot lately and really enjoying the setup I have

[celest valve]

well

only if burning hits toughness

[patent mango]

why did discord frick up the whole ui

whyyyyyyyyyyy

[radiant frigate]

mine still looks normal..

am i about to get blasted?

[patent mango]

its rolling out slowly

[celest valve]

ogryns do not get stunned when hit in melee on toughness

ogryns also just do not in general get stunned.

[tiny river]

like for the 57th time (they will never learn)

[patent mango]

help!!!!!!!! help me!!!!!!

[wide lodge]

The company that bought discord trying not to fuck everything up by... changing everything and adding features nobody asked for

[celest valve]

which company because i don't see one

[wide lodge]

They got sold a while ago. Thats when shit went downhill

[celest valve]

To who. Source?

[wide lodge]

Like a couple years at this point? And the source was an announcement on this platform lmao

[celest valve]

I think you just got hoaxed.

[wide lodge]

Idk dont think so

Maybe funny fever dream???

[patent mango]

ohh my god they sold it to starbreeze clearly

[celest valve]

Possibly? They did have an offer from microsoft and many others in 2021, but they decided against it and remained independent.

(they do have many investors however)

[patent mango]

continuous slop updates

[wide lodge]

I distinctly remember an announcement where they said 'we're growing up and changing the logo because it meant pisscorp in yiddish' or something that also talked about selling the company

But everything im reading online says it hasnt been sold so we can chalk it up to the psyker voices in my head

[celest valve]

yes they considered it but it didn't actually gappen

[bronze mantle]

Shit man i'm busy enough hopefully someone makes it im tired of letting the whole squad get a free peek up my skirt with this outfit even though it looks amazing

Also the savant lines for the combat ability which buffs your dmg and increasis peril are 20% badass like yelling purge the heretic and 80% reddit such as 'The power of the warp!' 🤓

[near gale]

tfw rng gives you your favorite weapon in something... right after you already decided to stop playing >.>

In descent in division 2 I was given my favorite gun... right when I was already done playing division 2 for the morning x.x

[upper sun]

its a sign

never play division again

[near gale]

but I'm having fun screwing around and doing nothing worthwhile while also aimlessly wandering the map loot goblining everything I see...

[patent mango]

wow this chat is divided

a division

[hollow current]

[near gale]

Hey... it's my job to make the terrible dad jokes, not yours.

[patent mango]

the economy is in shambles

[near gale]

https://tenor.com/view/404soob-pepe-pp-gif-21552696

[bronze mantle]

Play division 1 survival its sick

[upper sun]

https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/t/the-known-mystery-of-short-enemies-in-ascension-riser-31/105061

[oak breach]

Is left side of Blazing Piety worth it? I like the idea of playing a more team-support priest but idk how good it actually is

[patent mango]

wrong chat probably

[oak breach]

Ah lol sry

[brazen rampart]

Wrong chat but stalwart is good, it gives 2% more toughness on melee kills (unlisted buff) and a bunch of tdr.

The 2nd node is bad.

[upper sun]

right is not worth the 2 point investment

the coherency crit is w/e and on higher threat levels enemy kills is enough

[deft stump]

Shush, more crits for team gud.

[upper sun]

bro what is this

[tepid python]

both assail slots

[patent mango]

havoc 32 build

[tepid python]

auric storm +300

[patent mango]

where is bro getting any crit for this

[vernal pier]

i sense a new meta

[patent mango]

true true

[vernal pier]

+12% experience from curios..... very obscure pick but very strong...

[patent mango]

new meta dropped

[opaque mulch]

do yall know or have any idea for a psyker with a revolver and knife build?

[vernal pier]

dumpstat on sword is obviously damage..... this build is not meta...

[upper sun]

so tru so TRUUU

[patent mango]

its ovevr.r..v.v. . .

[vernal pier]

also why no smite with charged strike??? brain burst takes too long to charge for only one kill so it is obviously very bad

[torn kernel]

i should get one of the inspect mods holy shit

that would explain a lot

[vernal pier]

its a real eye opener

[brazen rampart]

I dont think spending a point for other people in coherency to have 10% crit chance is very worth it.

[upper sun]

its not even 10% 🚬

[thorn cedar]

It is. It used to be 5%.

[brazen rampart]

I mean, the tooltip says it's 66% of the piety crit chance.

2/3 of 15% is 10%.

[upper sun]

yeah but divided no? the more allies in coherency the less it is

[brazen rampart]

I'd look at it with enhanced descriptions but I'm at work.

[thorn cedar]

That's actually a really potent aura, but you have more important things to grab for yourself if we're talking high havocs.

[brazen rampart]

No, not divided.

[thorn cedar]

Nah it's a 10% crit aura

[brazen rampart]

It's just flat 10% crit to teammates.

[upper sun]

🤔 i thought it divided the chance so less alies would get more

eh still w/e

[radiant frigate]

what the guh

[patent mango]

meta

[thorn cedar]

no idea where you would come to this interesting idea lmao

[marble crater]

Clad hasn't been able to play for almost a week, he is rusty

[radiant frigate]

clad saw a percentage and assumed a split

[upper sun]

i know i heard it before 😭

[marble crater]

I just had someone who triggered a DH and then decided to just trigger the second DH as well

[glacial vapor]

A true servant of the emperor, let no heretics survive

[marble crater]

I don't know if that was planned for fun, or if he panicked and it just happened.
It was that spot on the new map where they sometimes spawn right next to each other

[glacial vapor]

I've not seen that before lol

I do occasionally shoot something that I thought was just an elite trooper though

Happens lol

[marble crater]

It's the area that's the starting area for the second carnival mission

[upper sun]

the new mission has a chance to spawn two right next to eachother in the big arena

[silver mantle]

Yeah I got that once, but they were glitched and made no sound

[deft stump]

Not when I have all I need to run while supporting my carries

[silver mantle]

Thankfully, I had the hammer

[deft stump]

I don't have anything else to really pick up anyway. you saw my build.

[brazen rampart]

I could give you a proper build where you don't take that node. :)

[thorn cedar]

giving your entire team two +5% crit nodes is pretty big

[deft stump]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9e23cfb2-48b1-4603-841a-7dfd8cb84798/kittehs-h40-aurabot

Nu uh.

[polar swan]

How do I get headhunter autogun for leveling ?

It's not available to buy at burnt armoury

[thorn cedar]

theyre called Vigilant Autoguns now

[polar swan]

Ohh ok. ty

[deft stump]

You tell me what I can get for 1 point that is better than that.

[strange jewel]

But whats the build tho, can I see it?

[deft stump]

Is above.

I linked it.

That's basically the 1:1 TS run build I had. I went to Chaos' vid to confirm and edit.

[deft stump]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9e23cfb2-48b1-4603-841a-7dfd8cb84798/kittehs-h40-aurabot

There. I relinked.

[strange jewel]

Oh for Havoc, interesting

[deft stump]

Yeah. They were saying Infectious Zeal bad for H40.

I'm saying, what else can I take for 1 point that's better?

[patent mango]

faithful assault is good

up to 50% switch speed based on faith

[strange jewel]

Im in the same spot as u tbh, but I always pick the node to the right side so they dont shake me out of stuff, also Im like havoc lv 33 so dont listen to me lmao

[deft stump]

Wot.

[patent mango]

[deft stump]

Stalwart is good though?

It's the team free crits that ppl reeeeeeeeeee at.

Thing is, If I'm just an aurabot, that's the best thing for 1 point.

[strange jewel]

Hmm not sure tbh, I always try to go psiker for havoc

[deft stump]

Disdain on DS4 is a joke, Anoint in blood on flamer is like... Blood redemption is eh, Dance of death on flamer is useless, Unremitting is useless, Desperation can work, but if I run out of stamina, I'm already in a really bad spot to do much, The master's retribution is eh. The +15 toughness, 5% melee damage, 1 stamina or +10% HP might be the best.

[strange jewel]

Cz you know this is the psiker channel xd

[deft stump]

Yes, but Zealots and vets show up here often enough.

I'm a vet main btw. Zealot's just for H40 since I just wanna win 1 run and be done for the week.

[brazen rampart]

Anoint is a mandatory node for flamer because it affects DOTs.

[deft stump]

I don't even use my flamer.

[brazen rampart]

Masters Retribution also has usage in that, if it's up, you are immune to dog pounces.

[deft stump]

By the time I switch to it, everything is already dead.

[brazen rampart]

Then you aren't playing a difficulty that calls for flamer.

[earnest sand]

The right answer is play psyker for havoc 40.

[brazen rampart]

Go up.

[deft stump]

How do you go up from H40?

[upper galleon]

True solo h40 speedruns /joke

[deft stump]

That had better be a cute floofer... Oh it is.

[plucky flax]

[deft stump]

Well, you can. You can carry.

[plucky flax]

[patent mango]

play 1/8 havoc 40 by only using half your kit and true solo at once

[buoyant maple]

Anoint in blood is quite good for flamer

[velvet crescent]

sanctuary good on bubble?

[marble crater]

Yes

[deft stump]

Someone already said it. I just never use it or if I do, I'm at max range.

[upper galleon]

Wdym

It’s anoint, the close range is very generous

[deft stump]

Look at the run I linked.

Nothing more is needed to say.

[upper galleon]

Where and ? Why does a run matter

[velvet crescent]

Gotcha, just wanted to confirm

[deft stump]

Oh, that was ages ago. Well, the scoreboard. Total ranged kills/damage 0/0.

[marble crater]

How good it is depends on how well your team stays in the bubble though sometimes people play like they are allergic to it

[deft stump]

And some run to it like a ping.

[velvet crescent]

I throw it out pretty liberally, if I see a bunch of guns aimed our way and the other psyker (if applicable) doesn't have his bubble up, I pop it

[marble crater]

Good, it also stops vomit from Beast of Nurgle, if you didn't know.
Bubble is love, Bubble is life, literally

[marble crater]

Leave the ferret alone

[velvet crescent]

I like Venting Shriek w/ the fire perk for horde decimation, but bubble is really handy if there's a bunch of gunners and no cover

Also it feels good knowing I can actually contribute to my team in Heresy (only lvl 23)

[patent mango]

sog

[dim parrot]

@fresh panther

[marble crater]

Venting shriek also has a lot of ways to help your team, it's not purely an offensive ability, plenty of time to learn that though. Hitting 30 and being able to make a full build and use weapons that don't have crap stats is a huge boost

[fresh panther]

Damn this is hype 🤌

[velvet crescent]

I got a nice fire staff and deimos-granted the steam psyker guide may be outdated, but I got a 60 quell fire staff and a 60 warp res force sword

[strong gulch]

hi chat

[velvet crescent]

ello

[marble crater]

I think the guide is maybe a bit outdated in some parts, it's only one person writing it after all.

I also haven't seen him in a while

[dim parrot]

@broken carbon

I used this gif to make it

[broken carbon]

holy pawesome

[fiery stratus]

Instant deaths in havoc counts against true survivor now

[strong gulch]

RIP

[marble crater]

Good thing we all already have True Survivor anyway

[plucky flax]

Swipe tru survivor and make everyone redo it.

[marble crater]

No, we did it legit

[fiery stratus]

Yeah we do

[plucky flax]

Must be pro.

[strong gulch]

I wish it stayed. It's funny.

[deft stump]

Agreed. We did it LEGIT.

[fiery stratus]

All of my attempts someone got got one way or another, most of the time near the end

[strong gulch]

Do you still need it?

[fiery stratus]

Yeah I haven't been playing much, and when I have, I haven't felt like sweating in havoc lol

[strong gulch]

My partner will is traveling for a few days, so I'll be more available (health allowing).

Valid. I haven't been playing much either.

[plucky flax]

Ask karien and sutv for carry.

They did it legit apparently.

[fiery stratus]

I'll get it at some point, always just the little mistakes that causes issue

[plucky flax]

(I cheated for mine)

[marble crater]

Doesn't mean I can carry anyone but myself

[fiery stratus]

Id just front line psyker myself but I never use staves. Maybe it's time to start practicing

Then I can blow myself up

[strong gulch]

One of us. lmao

[deft stump]

What you mean, you can carry me at lvl 9.

[fiery stratus]

Problem too is ping. Server region in relation to where everyone is

[strong gulch]

Ye. Not knowing what you're gonna get.

Everyone can put it on US West and get EU somehow.

[marble crater]

Ew US west

[strong gulch]

If you really do want to try staves, purg is the easiest but I think you'd find it mind numbing.

[brazen rampart]

Oh, you don't get to kill anything with flamer on h40? Sounds like either A, you aren't using it soon enough, or B, you are getting unbelievably carried.

[patent mango]

ask slopshark hq to drop in 6 billion enemies

[plucky flax]

I play Berlin west server.

[fiery stratus]

Might start with trauma or something and jump feet first

[strong gulch]

Trauma is at least more interesting and involved.

If there's 3 psykers, you could be the lucky surge shriek one.

[deft stump]

Both, knowing everything. You know how Psyker main carries are srsbsn.

[marble crater]

Going from no staves to Trauma first is certainly one of the choices of all time

[fiery stratus]

Lot of hours, should be fine after plenty of fuck ups

[strong gulch]

Trauma is the first staff that gets unlocked after all.

[fiery stratus]

https://tenor.com/view/excited-fuego-gif-26833875

Trial by fire

[strong gulch]

do it

[marble crater]

I will be waiting for your report

[strong gulch]

Just take ER. It'll be fine.

[fiery stratus]

12 implosions first game

[strong gulch]

No ER trauma tho. 💀

How did we ever play that?

[marble crater]

We didn't know better, just like we thought Tomb Raider on the PS1 had great graphics back then

[upper sun]

they need to make another tomb raider already

[patent mango]

i hate this new hecking ui!!!!!!

[marble crater]

New UI?

[deft stump]

Discord released a new UI... And it's well..

[marble crater]

Ah shit, not again

On mobile?

[deft stump]

You can no longer restart your PC or you risk switching to it.

[patent mango]

never restart your pc

[deft stump]

If I remember correctly.

[patent mango]

keep discord running forever

[upper sun]

can someone post it?

[strong gulch]

scared tbh

[marble crater]

I hate UI changes for the sake of UI changes, just stop. I don't need to see the activity of my friends

[upbeat kestrel]

i still have the old discord layout no problem

restarted pc like 5 times today

[upper sun]

we have too many ui devs

i hate them so much its unreal

[deft stump]

Is a risk. Cos they are pushing it out in waves.

[upper sun]

stop doing shit the nano second you saved is overshadowed by the minutes i need to relearn the UI

[upbeat kestrel]

wasnt there like 5 bazilion discord ui changes?

[deft stump]

Yes, and it gets worse every single time.

[upbeat kestrel]

did not notice it one bit

i still have the layout that i started with

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vL_XSdQmGp0&list=RDwgfNsek8xkc&index=10 anyway this slaps

[zealous mango]

That the new discord Ui?

[patent mango]

yeagh

[zealous mango]

Oh my goodness gracious, we are doomed

[patent mango]

yeagh

[zealous mango]

Weirdly I just got the update and restarted the app but nothing changed

Unless they are rolling to people

[deft stump]

Oh and btw?

If you can ignore users, you are getting shot soon.

You are basically part of the group that gets experimental stuff on you first.

[wispy bay]

Lab rat

[deft stump]

I know some ppl with it, sooooooooooooooo

[zealous mango]

Wait what wdym?

[deft stump]

Basically, some random users are part of the random lab rats experiment thing.

They get access to features in alpha/beta.

Like the ignore users feature.

It's block but less obvious.

[zealous mango]

[deft stump]

Yes.

I'm serious.

[strange jewel]

Hi serious

[zealous mango]

that is a feature..

[deft stump]

Ignore works like block, but the person you block sees your stuff as normal. Discord just shadowbans them from DMing you.

[zealous mango]

https://tenor.com/view/snark-hitting-head-snark-in-the-vent-half-life-snark-gif-27069824

[deft stump]

So it's like you ghosted their DMs.

[zealous mango]

You can already do that with your personal DM settings bruh

If you only want friends to DM you

[deft stump]

Nope. Discord will literally tell you they only talk to users in same server or friends then.

With ignore, they don't even tell them that.

[marble crater]

That's how every blocking feature works everywhere though?

You don't see their stuff, they can see yours

[last shore]

Unless you’re a certain someone that blocks people then still reads their messages 💀

[deft stump]

Is more, they let them post to an empty wall.

Instead of you getting a red text on your message with it saying that person only has DMs for friends or shared server.

The person they are spamming to doesn't actually get the DM.

[marble crater]

Yes, that's how blocking works

[deft stump]

Yes, but I'm saying is that ignore is block, but it's not their face.

So it takes longer for the people ignored to notice and make alts to rage.

Pretty sure they even sold the ignore feature on that.

[upper sun]

you dont know how cronically online some people are 🚬

different levels of blocking are useful because some people would notice they cant react to yourposts get angry and make another account to scream at you

[marble crater]

Blocking accounts is faster than making a new one, let them

Only thing I want is for the message that tells you there are blocked messages to disappear

[deft stump]

Basically this.

[upper sun]

i was trying to not say it directly but its a feature for women because some people are hyper autistic

[marble crater]

Sad that's needed, but I get it

Maybe soon we can block people and an AI will respond to their messages, so they never notice

[deft stump]

The crazy ones will notice it's not you.

[radiant frigate]

https://tenor.com/view/you-wouldnt-get-it-joker-smoking-gif-15952801

does discord still have the worst block feature known to man?

[elder glade]

Yes

[radiant frigate]

good thing that i do not need it right now

[plucky flax]

Yes.

I hate it when I see (x) messages blocked.

Just freaking don't show me anything.

[hollow current]

Blocked

[prime elk]

Vencord gets around this but it's still annoying on mobile

[upper sun]

imagine using discord on mobile

[plucky flax]

Is that a third party client?

[elder glade]

yea

[upper sun]

ye

[elder glade]

Its honestly pretty good

[prime elk]

Not technically. You use the same client

It's just an extension

[plucky flax]

Oooh.

Discord app right? Not web app?

[prime elk]

Yes

[elder glade]

yea

[plucky flax]

Aye I'll check it out.

[elder glade]

I should probably redownload it for this laptop

It has a ton of useful things

[prime elk]

It's one of the plugins that blocks block messages

[raven scarab]

vencord is bae

[prime elk]

I use Vencord for those random QOL things and also for their themes

[raven scarab]

is a psyker bubble smite build viable for havoc?

[prime elk]

Even the paid discord themes look like ass

[raven scarab]

very ass

[prime elk]

Yes especially given bubble itself is already meta

[raven scarab]

they should be shamed for even charging for those themes

[prime elk]

In havoc specifically

[prime elk]

Yeah gotta justify the subscription price lol

[raven scarab]

all the bubble builds im finding are for assail/rupture

[marble crater]

Depends on how you want to use smite I guess

[raven scarab]

keep hordes back, what else do you do with it

[nocturne dust]

That's cuz smite doesn't go in other builds

smite goes in smite builds

[raven scarab]

idk assail just isnt good with anything

[nocturne dust]

The build is generally mostly for-

wat

[marble crater]

If you have an inferno psyker then you shouldn't keep the horde back, because you will lower your team's DPS

[wispy bay]

Hmm???

[nocturne dust]

Assail goes with gunker and voidstrike

[wispy bay]

That's a bold statement.

[marble crater]

Smite stops enemies from funneling into a choke point where you can easily kill them

[nocturne dust]

It is one of the two classic Psyker builds, the other being left side soulblaze spam

[raven scarab]

maybe i should switch to flame staff then

[nocturne dust]

Inferno and Trauma are the Havoc metas

[marble crater]

Yes, Bubble and Inferno is very much meta for psyker in havoc

[nocturne dust]

but like, if you're not running Havoc, run whatever you like

[raven scarab]

idk i just dont like it or get much use from it. could be just my playstyle

[plucky flax]

What's good theme?

[wispy bay]

I don't know how people can spam smite, but can't do a few click of assails...

[raven scarab]

assail just doesnt do much

[nocturne dust]

literally just look at enemies

and assail will kill them

[raven scarab]

smite atleast keeps stuff in place so my zealot nerd can clear everything

[velvet crescent]

first damnation done as psyker

i think i know what im doing

...ish

(a veteran carried us lmao)

[marble crater]

In havoc, no. In auric it's great

[marble crater]

Did you die?

[nocturne dust]

You don't need to keep stuff in place if they're dead (also smite is actually hated by zealots because they have a lot of on-dodge stuff that smite obviously disables)

[raven scarab]

okay so if im going for a fire staff, which of the 5 stats is least important?

[nocturne dust]

warp res

[marble crater]

Warp resistance

[nocturne dust]

always warp res

[raven scarab]

aight, ty

[nocturne dust]

(except voidstrike)

(voidstrike dumps blast radius )

[velvet crescent]

no, actually!

[young cliff]

So after some tests, is the 3 charges node for EP necessary for a smite build? I feel that just one give you far enough charges while paired with the stack on elite kill, to eliminate hordes don't think you need more than one

[marble crater]

Voidblast dumps strike radius

[velvet crescent]

didn't even go down but i attribute it to the veteran carrying than me being okay

[marble crater]

Nice

[nocturne dust]

But yeah, if your weapon isn't called Voidstrike and has warp res on it, dump warp res

cuz warp res scales super poorly so it doesn't really do anything even if you do dump it

[nocturne dust]

Voidblaze dumps void radius

[marble crater]

Sometimes shit happens and your smite gets canceled or you are unlucky with kills, more charges are good for those moments

[young cliff]

It's even advantageous to have it low to build peril for damage

[young cliff]

Yeah, but even the unempowered can stagger, swap to staff, kill one elite, and back into horde cleaning. Doesn't feel that important even if things go poorly imo

[radiant frigate]

is boomzone a good stat on voidboom

[nocturne dust]

No, but it is a good stat on Voidshock, confusingly

[radiant frigate]

who designed this nonsense

[marble crater]

What would you pick instead?

[velvet crescent]

bubble helped and i got some nice bbs in, but the real mvp was the fire staff for shredding hordes

[nocturne dust]

Same guy who decided to build everything in high places with railings just tall enough to prevent only heretics from falling off

[radiant frigate]

can we tell the inquisitor about this guy

[young cliff]

Honestly maybe some nodes for extra crit rate and toughness, you can pick most other important stuff anyway, even some soulfire perks

[marble crater]

Yeah infinite cleave doesn't care about hordes, the more the better

[radiant frigate]

give him a stern talk

[marble crater]

EP is very cheap with points, you should be able to pick all of those and the 3 stacks

[nocturne dust]

Inquisitor says we're not allowed to since the guys a marine in space or something

[deft stump]

Either make it block everything or nothing.

[young cliff]

You can, but I question how useful really is 3stacks, for brain burst builds I see it, but for smite that's supposed to be a CC tool first and horde clear later, I see more value on some added base durability and maybe crit for staff damage

[narrow herald]

Me playing rending voidblast but getting the lowest score every time:

[nocturne dust]

Wack

[young cliff]

Voidblast CC is always appreciated against the iron wall of ogryns

[nocturne dust]

On h40s I somehow always get the highest (or am very near equal with the other highest) with rending voidblast

[plucky flax]

You're helping the team.

[marble crater]

Maybe share your talents, if I play EP I would always pick the 3 charges as well, because eventually something will happen and I lose a charge without doing anything, because some poxwalker hit me from behind or something

[prime elk]

https://betterdiscord.app/themes

I use the first one here

[narrow herald]

Me getting the highest score by triple margins with Blaze void:

[young cliff]

It just feels too easy to generate those stacks when you have the Regen on elite kill, and you should make some room or move with attention to the horde to not be interrupted (I have channeled it even in the middle of it, I know is hard but is doable)

[velvet crescent]

do i just spam lights on an ogryn's weak spot with fs

[nocturne dust]

Voidblaze is real?

[narrow herald]

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

[plucky flax]

Not a fan the translucent background is too distracting. Cheers I'll have a look for some darker theme.

[prime elk]

Yeh there's plenty of options

[nocturne dust]

https://tenor.com/view/thanos-dreaditrunfromit-infinitywar-destinyarrivesallthesame-barexam-gif-12210891

[prime elk]

Including ones without transparency

[narrow herald]

Fatshark fix Blaze Illisi proc and my life is yours

[marble crater]

In that case don't pick it then I guess, if it works for you

[nocturne dust]

Granted, it no longer procs on crits

(it now never procs)

[narrow herald]

Fatshark buffs Psyker, but takes away the fun

😔

[plucky flax]

They still need to buff blaze trauma.

Blazing spirits t4 to be precise.

[upper sun]

they have 😭

[plucky flax]

And bring back old mettle.

[young cliff]

I have it like this, asked because it does feel like something that one could agree its better so just wanted to share, but i do see that the chance to have reliable way to fix a mistake is a valuable thing to consider (highligred talent is what is gained from the change)

[upper sun]

and old perfect timing

[nocturne dust]

and old true aim

and old voidstrike

[marble crater]

It doesn't insta kill the entire map, buff it again

[nocturne dust]

Let me stagger bosses

[upper sun]

so tru

[plucky flax]

Actually agree. Voidstriek is ass.

[upper sun]

but seriously tho

sienna has like what 7? staves

why do we only have 4

[narrow herald]

Bring back old smite

[upper sun]

also make surge work on surge right click

[young cliff]

smite used to be different?

[nocturne dust]

ours are way cooler

[upper sun]

i want beam staff

NOW

[narrow herald]

It was nerfed twice, it no longer stuns all enemies you electrocute

[upper sun]

not tomorrow NOW

[nocturne dust]

Inferno is beam staff

[marble crater]

With which staff is this and for what game mode, maybe you said and I forgot

[nocturne dust]

[velvet crescent]

oh, there's a limit on images sent?

current build

2 points going for empyric resolve

[young cliff]

i have run it on a havoc 17 by accident so I say very good on Auric, can stop the green goop horde with ease, staff is electro

[velvet crescent]

what to do with the other 2?

[narrow herald]

What staff is this?

[marble crater]

Then I would drop wildfire for the 3 EP charges, but personally I would also drop the extra toughness node for kinetic deflection on top of that.
You don't have a lot of soulblaze, so I don't think wildfire will do much for you

[velvet crescent]

late but really? i assumed it was the reverse in that a fire staff for example would render wildfire redundant

[nocturne dust]

no

wildfire is good with any soulblaze build

[velvet crescent]

alrighty

[narrow herald]

Nah wildfire is actually designed for fire proving staves

[nocturne dust]

That reminds me about my Inferno guide I'll never finish

[velvet crescent]

anything that you'd change?

[young cliff]

if i drop wildfire it would go to deflection, Im just to used to dash dodge that i feel that blocking isnt that smart, plus if Im getting gunned with a dome shield is because im an idiot, but the soulfire can help from time to time, specially when waves of elites come for us

[velvet crescent]

also any ideas for 2 points?

2 are going to empyric resolve

[narrow herald]

What staff is this?

[velvet crescent]

fire

[nocturne dust]

uh, no perfect timing?

also, EP with fire staff?

[velvet crescent]

where's that on the tree again

[nocturne dust]

top right

[velvet crescent]

the original plan was with bb and shield in mind
fire staff im not against benching

[nocturne dust]

Ah

[velvet crescent]

here's my weapons rn

[narrow herald]

U don't need the quelling node for fire

I also never liked bubble with ER, the cooldown is too long

[nocturne dust]

ER is whatever with BB

[young cliff]

fire feels that doesnt generate peril, really efficient in that regard

[upper sun]

id swap flurry for nexus

[nocturne dust]

ER isn't needed for Inferno if you have shriek

[upper sun]

flurry doesnt really give you much on purge

[nocturne dust]

but with bubble, it is beneficial

[velvet crescent]

alrighty

i mostly followed steam guide

[nocturne dust]

Inferno's dump is warp res

and the best blessings are nexus/blaze away

and also, I would recommend unyielding over maniac

[velvet crescent]

rip, was steam guide outdated?

[nocturne dust]

unless you're doing uncanny shenanigans

[young cliff]

nexus on flame means a lot of crits, and emphatic evasion makes you able to walk to gunners with freedom

[velvet crescent]

it said quell speed for fire staff so i went 'hell yeah'

[nocturne dust]

No, it's not outdated

Pygex just has weird takes

[velvet crescent]

it's over, chat

[wispy bay]

Most of the time you don't even need to use RMB on inferno to get use of it.

[nocturne dust]

Like, the reason quell speed is a dump in Pygex's mind

[narrow herald]

This is what I would build if I was doing a hybrid BB and Inferno staff: https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9c397648-c43f-404d-85e1-95dd3e9a6fba/pyro-3?utm_medium=website&utm_source=gameslantern&utm_campaign=share_button

[nocturne dust]

is because he has a very specific setup for Inferno where you never have to quell

[velvet crescent]

ooooooooohhhhhhhhhhhh

[nocturne dust]

(but also it's not worth doing that setup and your damage is worse because it makes more use of lmb)

[young cliff]

quelling manually is a healty exercise i feel

[nocturne dust]

yes

good for the warp

good for the soul

[young cliff]

Warp = good
Chaos tainted Warp = bad

ergo: Chaos = bad

[marble crater]

Wildfire is 4 stacks getting spread to several targets it's not that great by itself. And to be honest that build probably won't work for much longer in higher havocs. As you either need to go for full damage with EK and shriek to focus on ranged enemies or you use inferno/voidblast with warp charges for horde clear, at which point you will use BB and almost never touch your blitz. You could still use Smite, but only for CC and not damage, so there is no point in investing into EP

[nocturne dust]

What if we warped the warp to warp Chaos into Order

[upper sun]

🚬 were at least 10 years from GW revealing the chaos god of order

[marble crater]

What if we forced clad into h40 tomorrow?

[nocturne dust]

Yeah, wildfire is good as long as you have shriek and perilous combustion, but it's drastically worse without at least both of those (or Inferno/Fire Trauma staff)

[upper sun]

what if we shot u

[young cliff]

Smite is mostly cc (left click range is quite good vs gunners) but the EP helps to stop hordes to give repositioning time and clearing fodder enemies

[thorn cedar]

you dont really need it for inferno since you shit out so much soulblaze already

[nocturne dust]

Nah, that's just Emps

[nocturne dust]

Oh. my. lawd.

[upper sun]

nuh uh

[nocturne dust]

Do I really need to explain why Wildfire is good on Inferno again?

[young cliff]

probably would change it, its there because i dont think i have a better option to put in the talent tree

[thorn cedar]

sure, explain it

[nocturne dust]

One sec, I have a copypasta for this occasion from my guide

Some people dislike Wildfire, but it is good and is a damage increase. Wildfire works by spreading up to 4 stacks of soulblaze on a target that dies, with each stack being distributed evenly (so a dying target with 3 stacks spreads 3 stacks, 1 stack to each nearby enemy if there are 3 of them with 0 stacks, but will spread 4 stacks if the dying target has 4 stacks, 2 to one of the 3 nearby enemies). Wildfire will spread stacks to a target as long as the target has less than 4 stacks. Wildfire is incredibly useful because it can spread beyond your Inferno staff's range, meaning when an enemy enters Inferno's range you already have 4 stacks applied to them when in tense, Auric Damnation/Havoc 25+ situations due to enemy density being stupidly high. That is 1/4th of Inferno's max stacks, which is significant and really helps Inferno stack all that quicker and kill quicker, helping Wildfire spread more. On top of that, Wildfire helps eliminate chaff (4 stacks doesn't kill alone but can kill with Blaze Away and other buffs) and manage your sides/back without you doing anything. You won't be killing hordes with Wildfire, but when you turn around to face a threat you'll find enemies nice and pre-toasted. It also helps you gain more Warp Siphon stacks through In Fire Reborn, and get the first stack of Soulblaze so that your Blaze Away blessing always applies even if other Soulblaze Psykers are around. I wholeheartedly support Wildfire on an Inferno build in the game's current state (and it's still very good on a lot of other staff builds with Creeping Flames too).

[velvet crescent]

but yeah my logic was

fire staff-horde
Bb-distant shooters and elites/specialists
Fs-cqc anything
Bubble-fuck those gunners in particular

[narrow herald]

If u want bubble and Inferno, than I would take Warp Siphon over EP

[young cliff]

this is why i keep it on my actual dedicated inferno builds, really neat

[marble crater]

What if you use inferno staff to clear hordes and then used warp charges for more shield instead of EP? Inferno can also CC everything except for crushers and also burn things down. To me it looks a little bit like you are trying to do a few different things at the same time and there are better options, if you want to do those things. If you just want to play them, because you want to play them then it's fine

[nocturne dust]

That's an Auric Storm Survivor right there

[young cliff]

remember: this is a dumb build i said i brought it by accident because its a smite meme build I just asked myself "how i can make it as best as possible?" because im a moron and like that, i just want smite to feel good and freeing the staff leaves the Electro staff which is good cc due stagger and elite killer

[young cliff]

also want to do my best "ULTIMATE POWWWAAAAAA" impression

[wispy bay]

Heresy

Go to zealot chat you heathen

[marble crater]

Well I wish I had read the part about it being an accidental meme build sooner

[deft stump]

Sus. But she's always an adorable sus.

[sturdy reef]

zealot chat still slow moded lmao

as the emperor intended

[young cliff]

to be honest? your imput is appreciated so ty mate

[wispy bay]

Who could have guessed that the zealots are the easiest to be corrupted.

[upper sun]

🤓 actually this isnt canon because the emperor is supposed to have dorns cloak laid at his legs

[strong gulch]

Ye. I just typed a thing there in zealot chat and couldn't even post a pic. I thought discord was borken.

[sturdy reef]

[velvet crescent]

brb

[sturdy reef]

FOTF BP Stalwart with Benediction and throwing knives or your trolling

[thorn cedar]

I mean that's a fine theory but the reality is that the difference in time between max stacking soulblazes on a target from 0 vs. 4 initially is literally milliseconds. at best the 'extra range' is 5m, which is as far as wildfire will check to move stacks around, and it will still prioritize the nearest target with less than four stacks, so its rarely reaching out five actual meters unless you are already outputting lots of soulblaze already (and you are, because inferno)

[sturdy reef]

and you should uninstall

[deft stump]

Hrm?

[marble crater]

That's good then

[sturdy reef]

https://tenor.com/view/stare-sam-jackson-shook-shocked-scary-gif-5260044

[thorn cedar]

the IFR part is the only part that's really valuable and true since it essentially guarantees everything has a stack of soulblaze and you don't really need to fuss at all for Warp Charges since anything dying to your teammate's hand will still score you a stack even without focusing it down, but just sweeping your right click around on the staff gets the same result anyway

[narrow herald]

Me when I spread misinformation on the internet:

[nocturne dust]

Firstly, it's not milliseconds for 4 stacks, Inferno would have to be way quicker to do that. I have the debuff mod, I regularly see how quick Inferno stacks. Secondly, none of what you said afterwards seems against Wildfire? It goes out to 5 meters, yeah. 🤷‍♂️

I agree it's not, like, Psykinetics or anything

[thorn cedar]

if there's no valid target nearby with less than 4 soublaze stacks then it will refesh the current stack (the 15 stack soulblaze tick will retick at 15 instead of dropping to 14) but again, you're already shitting out stacks like mad so it will be overwitten almost immediately

[nocturne dust]

but it's not a bad node, and is about on par with Warp Battery

[sturdy reef]

its fine

you can skip it if you want

you usually have enough points for all the good things tho

[nocturne dust]

Sure

I still don't see the issue

You're going to have plenty of targets at Auric or high Havoc

[sturdy reef]

you will usually have the points for wildfire unless you are going EK/VS then why would you even pick it up

[wispy bay]

You go with wild fire for damage, I go with wild fire to steal the damage.

[thorn cedar]

my view is that its like taking weakspot damage on a weapon where headshots already instakill

[sturdy reef]

lol

[sturdy reef]

I get that

but I think its a little bit more useful

[thorn cedar]

ye

like the IFR interaction

[nocturne dust]

The equivalent would be Inferno applying 4 stacks per tick

[sturdy reef]

oh we want inferno more busted? let all RMB ticks crit

[thorn cedar]

but again, infernus staff. youre doing nothing but constant soulblaze, not even accounting for PC or Shriek on top

trauma i get it

[sturdy reef]

I still think with horde density in Havoks, wildfire is worth it

on inferno

[thorn cedar]

you dont actually get to always crit on every hit for blaze

[nocturne dust]

Sure, and Wildfire works off of soulblaze application

[thorn cedar]

and there's pretty marked pauses between blasts even if you were critting 100% of the time

[nocturne dust]

like, at the end of the day

Wildfire is more soulblaze

[marble crater]

Make Trauma apply soulblaze on hit instead of crit

[thorn cedar]

yeah and again, youre already doing essentially maximum soulblaze lol

so refer back to the made up weakspot weapon example

[sturdy reef]

its more ramp up and uptime

[nocturne dust]

You aren't

[thorn cedar]

on your infinite uptime fire staff?

[nocturne dust]

It's definitely not maximum

Like, again

your example's equivalent isn't the current situation, it would be Inferno applying 4 stacks per tick, which would invalidate Wildfire, yes

but Inferno doesn't do that even on a crit

(and even if it did, funnily enough wildfire would still be beneficial by increasing your application range)

(just, y'know, not enough benefit to take)

and 5 meters may not seem like a lot but it does mean you can kill off horde around you without ever hitting them with Inferno

Like, if Inferno truly had 'maximum application' as you claim, crits wouldn't be one of the standard blessings on it.

At the end of the day, Inferno does take a while to get to 15 stacks, long enough that most things will die to Blaze Away soulblaze before that

[radiant frigate]

ours are some of hers but spliced together

[nocturne dust]

Coruscation

[radiant frigate]

most notably trauma is both conflag and coru

[nocturne dust]

[radiant frigate]

(blaze trauma that is)

[nocturne dust]

That's a lie

where's my fire pit

[upper sun]

😭 so why do they all have the same boring standard fire

[radiant frigate]

the fire pit is your ginormous outer radius applying soulblaze

[nocturne dust]

but I want to leave fire 😭

[scarlet umbra]

So this has probably been brought up a couple of times but like- the new psyker set is so close to being perfect

[radiant frigate]

voidstrike is bolt but juiced up

[scarlet umbra]

Then it has the uhh… coat issue

[radiant frigate]

flamer is flamer except relevant

and surge is.. its own thing? inconceivable

except maybe soulstealer staff

even though that is more like headsplosion

[nocturne dust]

Just your standard old-fashioned skirt with that... metal brace/skeleton thingy

[scarlet umbra]

It hurts though I didn’t want a dress outta this one

[nocturne dust]

Well, just call it a kilt instead then

[scarlet umbra]

But it’s makes my dumpy look so big

[nocturne dust]

That's a benefit for your squad.

[scarlet umbra]

I don’t want the heretics seeing that

[nocturne dust]

Then never turn your back to heretics

The zealot playstyle

[scarlet umbra]

It’s bothering me that you’re consistently correct

[nocturne dust]

I've been blessed by the Omnissiah's wisdom

[narrow herald]

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/xWD1wY5sF8c

[last shore]

So did you ever find out if inferno range is 15.5 or 20

[nocturne dust]

15.5, I was wrong 😔

I can admit it

[last shore]

Gotcha

[nocturne dust]

Misremembering things is my bread and butter

[last shore]

Happens to me too

[broken carbon]

nerf voidstrike carapace damage, then make bolt staff

pleasseeeee

[nocturne dust]

no

[radiant frigate]

warp javelin

[upper sun]

force axe NOW

[strong gulch]

Sienna'a fire dagger pre nerf

[young cliff]

ObeseFish: Best I can do is power axe (vet exclusive)

[upper sun]

🤔 actually out of all the new weapons what do we actually like?

[upper sun]

ill take it

[young cliff]

Honestly? Same

[upper sun]

i only really like boltpistol and the pickaxes tbh

relic and fgs are kinda too slow for me

[nocturne dust]

FGS, Relic

[upper sun]

relic is legit only enjoyable for me with 6 stacks of marty

[broken carbon]

typical

[nocturne dust]

I actually dislike Bistol