psyker-class

[worn heron]

Lmfao peak gifs

[sturdy reef]

he ran ahead

all the time

[deft stump]

He refused to carry me through H40. So...

[sturdy reef]

died like 3 times

[patent mango]

i got more rain world gifs

[dull scroll]

what's your clearance right now?

[hearty wolf]

That's literally it, yeah.

Most of the other mistakes were things that I didn't know prior until we played together often. For example, on Torrent when we were in the elevator with you on purg and a Nurgle was shoving us in and I called to leave. I didn't realise that bubble protects from spit

[near gale]

I believe that the believability of believing does not believe how believable it is to believe that believativity

[proper osprey]

I have a psyker with 3 wound curios, the best smite build, a surge staff with run and gun and focused channeling

[deft stump]

Wait...when did you find that out?

[proper osprey]

You didn’t believe in him

[sturdy reef]

what is the point of run n gun lmao

[hearty wolf]

Would have been after the first few weeks of havoc

[nocturne dust]

after we exploded from a h40 nurgle encounter and I explained why I wanted to stay in the elevator

[deft stump]

How did you not know that? I knew it from before havoc was a thing?

[hearty wolf]

Because I also had like 50h in the game before Havoc dropped and I never played with anyone else?

[near gale]

Honestly I haven't played with enough bubble psykers to know the bubble stops nurgle vomit

[nocturne dust]

weak

Imagine not having thousands of hours in Darktide the first day it released

[near gale]

I found this out more recently from listening to the discussions >.>

[nocturne dust]

I used bubble before Havoc

[hearty wolf]

If it was a bit more random or harder, it seriously would be the perfect game and I could totally sink all that time in

[dull scroll]

wait what ppl didn't know bubble stops nurgle vomit, rip

[proper osprey]

I only take bubble for cranial

[hearty wolf]

Brother why are people acting like it's common knowledge when you reach level 30

on a zealot

[worn heron]

Mof bubl

[near gale]

The few bubble psykers I have played with didn't use it well... more than a handleful of times <.<

[deft stump]

I only used bubble when I got access to it... Vent was for doing penances lul. The build just stuck since eh.

[dull scroll]

we talking about a 40 right? you guys got to 40 there's no way you didn't know something like that

[near gale]

I don't play havoc >.>

[hearty wolf]

Havoc 40

is not hard

[patent mango]

ii just stab people idk what im doing

[hearty wolf]

Random game knowledge is not needed

[dull scroll]

that shit is not random game knowledge lol

[deft stump]

Good, you can finally end my suffering. I failed so many times already.

[patent mango]

just lock in

[near gale]

it is when all the bubble psykers you have played with suck lol

[hearty wolf]

How the fuck would you know as a fresh level 30 zealot xd

[deft stump]

I found out when someone lured a BoN into my bubble.

[near gale]

does it work from both ways?

[deft stump]

And was all, wait, it blocks it?

Yes.

[nocturne dust]

than h40?

[near gale]

nice

[deft stump]

BoN inside block, BoN out but you in, block.

[near gale]

I was today years old when I learned it works from both ways of the bubble x.x

[dull scroll]

it doesn't just block it from the outside anyting inside the bubble gets nullified automatically, that include trapper net

[nocturne dust]

Bro, if it got harder than h40 I think I'd tap out. I don't like it when I can't consistently win.

[hearty wolf]

Yeah. Or maybe havoc 40 as a base difficulty but something that makes it so we have to actually not play the same

Like.

Ambushes?

[near gale]

havoc just isn't fun for me as a mode, just like vt2 weaves, and I only play darktide for fun nowadays

[nocturne dust]

I mean, they just need to give different versions of Emp's Fading Light, like one that supes melee

[analog agate]

They just need a lot more modifiers. And ability to quick play to random ones imo

[hearty wolf]

Oh right

Yeah so I just realised what I want

basically

scab only h40

that's what I want

[nocturne dust]

wdym

[near gale]

scab only, no melee weapons, no ammo pick ups, no psyker staffs

[nocturne dust]

It already is scab only

[hearty wolf]

[nocturne dust]

Have you seen those crusher counts

[hearty wolf]

MORE

[deft stump]

You mean maulers.

[near gale]

with creeping vomit, vet ammo aura disabled, and uh... no psyker blitzes

[hearty wolf]

If there was like a

Plague that consumes the map so you can't idle or backtrack

I'd like that

[nocturne dust]

What maulers?

[silent socket]

They should give psyker a heavy Bolter. The psyker in question would panic as to why he was given this and just be incapable of aiming and just screaming in terror as he hipfires it

[nocturne dust]

There are things beside crushers?

<-- Inferno user

[near gale]

what about invisible enemies(this is a vt2 weave thing)?

[dull scroll]

ngl now that community got used to havoc most experienced pub parties carve through a 40 like a cake

[analog agate]

Psyker does need to be scaled back. Somehow

[patent mango]

dont give them constant inf cleave

[silent socket]

An idea….

[nocturne dust]

No

Make me more broken

[silent socket]

Psychic Phenomena

[deft stump]

You tell me, I heard a chain rev and we don't have chain weapons.

[nocturne dust]

Oh, those are just noises that happen sometimes while enemies are cooking

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1046914150363844779/1313803542196391936/elmopsyker.gif

[patent mango]

wawa waw waawa

[near gale]

btw: invisible enemies in vt2 sucked omega hard

without a waystalker

on full auto

[nocturne dust]

https://tenor.com/view/charlie-brown-gif-18199632989948721037

[silent socket]

When using psychic abilities and overheat, Psykers have a chance to trigger “warp phenomena” causing a random (and dangerous) effect ie a screech so loud that it triggers a horde or renders the psyker immobile (will scale in serverity depending on the number of triggers)

[nocturne dust]

plz no

I don't need inverse crit

[patent mango]

https://tenor.com/bJMpX.gif

[patent mango]

lmao

rogue trader moment

[dull scroll]

this madman want to bring Inquisitor Martyr madness into this game 😂

[silent socket]

“OH GOD-“

Rips open a pocket of the warp

[analog agate]

I don’t mind a trigger that you have to reacte to. I am never a fan of a gameplay element that locks you out of your own control

[near gale]

Psykers that explode have a chance to become a daemonhost that will not stop until it is killed:

[silent socket]

Ew no.

Bad

Go in the corner.

[near gale]

https://tenor.com/view/sad-alone-sad-person-alone-cradle-sitting-along-in-corner-gif-11206167521557372047

[silent socket]

And put on the hat

[near gale]

https://tenor.com/view/wizard-ferret-magic-hat-mustelid-gif-11239451876823413862

[nocturne dust]

no

[silent socket]

The other hat……

[nocturne dust]

that's cool

[patent mango]

sog

[near gale]

https://tenor.com/view/cone-swimming-drunk-dance-gif-15857244

[nocturne dust]

Daemonhost psyker

[silent socket]

The hat of immediate sadness……

[broken carbon]

@worn heron SIGNALIS REFERENCE!!!!

https://tenor.com/view/signalis-stonch-storch-corrupted-storch-celebration-gif-9352951859018542075

[near gale]

Oh God... please don't use my horrible ideas...

[verbal thistle]

https://tenor.com/view/elster-lstr-signalis-unit-my-gif-16832852754988176079

[nocturne dust]

Your ideas?

[silent socket]

WAIT

I KNOW A PROPER IDEA

[hearty wolf]

Depends how they would be invisible?

[broken carbon]

https://tenor.com/view/signalis-ariane-elster-signalis-goodnight-gif-17651675046284917858

[silent socket]

WHAT IF THE “OVERHEAT” EFFECT WAS BASED OFF WHAT CAUSED IT

[verbal thistle]

why is she german

[near gale]

just invisible, unable to be seen

[dull scroll]

this chat needs to stop right now before the class is ruined

[nocturne dust]

Yes, your ideas

[silent socket]

So voidstriker staffs still made you go boom

[near gale]

Oh God...

[silent socket]

Assail could probably cause you to detonate into a “shard nova” that dealt damage to you

[hearty wolf]

Y'know I just realised that wouldn't be hard because purg psyker exists.

You'd just get them to flame everything until it gets one stack of soulblaze. Good idea though! Something on those lines would be nice.

[silent socket]

Smite stunned you and anyone near you

[near gale]

Why do we think alike?!

[nocturne dust]

No, we don't.

I stole the idea from someone even earlier

[near gale]

Oh and on top of this: auto aim things and staffs are disabled. Courtesy of Fatshark

[silent socket]

Brain blast is just

Death.

[deft stump]

This is just TF2 spycheck all over.

[nocturne dust]

Scrier's Gaze should give us autoaim instead of being a damage buff

Damage buff stupid

[near gale]

Oh thank God... you don't think like me... x.x

[hearty wolf]

Mm that's a bit better. Would also need something to stop infinite stagger and golden toughness invalidating everything.

[near gale]

Half of them are immune to stagger

[nocturne dust]

True, you think like me

This is my dream, Sibling.

[hearty wolf]

Yeah that might work out then. Just would need to see how it actually plays out and audio would need to be fixed so you don't have to just swing the air constantly.

[near gale]

Unless... you are a concoction of my dream in the 3rd person acting as if you have sentience yourself...

[hearty wolf]

i still want it to be fun

[proper osprey]

https://tenor.com/view/aizen-bleach-gif-23104331

[nocturne dust]

That's exactly the kind of nonsense I would dream against myself.

[proper osprey]

Just like aizen

[near gale]

Same... x.x

[hearty wolf]

That gave me burialgoods vibes

[deft stump]

Guess the only sane ones are the vet again.

[near gale]

Maybe give the person getting attacked some slight visual indication of where it is coming from so the people that are less on crack as a base rule have a chance?

[hearty wolf]

Mhm that's fine. The danger of that though is if there are multiple crushers. If you play optimally, you're just going to go from funnel to funnel so you don't get surprised overheaded through 2 invisible crushers

Oh

[near gale]

Maybe make it have a slight cooldown of say... 0.1 seconds?

[hearty wolf]

OHHH

Just make it

[broken carbon]

the 2 genders

[hearty wolf]

So stimms

give you truesight

[broken carbon]

transgender and german

[hearty wolf]

So people actually use them

[near gale]

Now we're cooking with gas

[hearty wolf]

If they up the stimm drop chance too, that would genuinely be really fun because being on stimms 24/7 would be fun af

[verbal thistle]

true

[deft stump]

Wut.

[marble crater]

[mental rock]

I mean, have you seen German fashion? Too good to be straight

[marble crater]

I think it's time for me to go to sleep

[deft stump]

You mean Dukane and commissars?

[patent mango]

german

[mental rock]

...yes?

[patent mango]

dukane been real quiet since 4 ogryns beat h40

[deft stump]

Yes.

[proper osprey]

What’s that one vermintide weave modifier that only spawns stuff when you’re like 5 meters from it?

[patent mango]

pain

[proper osprey]

They should add that

[fathom adder]

dukane been real quiet
If only

[proper osprey]

She be yappin

[near gale]

did 4 ogryns actually do it?

[proper osprey]

She doesn’t like our rejects

[patent mango]

she really has been

or i've just gotten very good at completely ignoring her

[fathom adder]

She doesn't like anyone

[worn heron]

TROO

[deft stump]

Twice if googling is true.

Or thrice, if you count retries wins as wins.

[analog agate]

Reginald et al. have done it

[deft stump]

I mean, is them.

They also did melee only H40 4 oggys.

[paper dust]

i see the mischeveous lass has awoken once more

to cause havoc

welp back to the casket

[proper osprey]

What a beast

[paper dust]

https://tenor.com/view/gmod-ragdoll-video-game-video-game-gif-20573521

[deft stump]

Uhh, that's for me. But yes, she woke, did that, stared, wanted pets and went off.

[deft stump]

She's a gremlin.

[paper dust]

she deserve no pat pat for her insolence greed

welp back the the casket i go

[proper osprey]

This is my beast

[proper osprey]

Nay you will be my duo for tonight

At 8pm cst

[deft stump]

Eh, she somehow gets them anyway. Everyone loves her.

[paper dust]

what a fellow

[proper osprey]

Her name is cheesecake

[paper dust]

you must resist its greed will over run and soon
she'll get all her pat pat
you must stop her

[paper dust]

what a
cheesy name

[deft stump]

Oh. I'm rushing dailies... But mom will cuddle her.

[paper dust]

this is truly not
''pog champ''

anyhow its almost 2 am

and i have class in the morning

[deft stump]

Is nearly 9AM.

[paper dust]

gn

[deft stump]

So uhh, Nights.

[topaz bobcat]

Anyone able to rate my setup? Still pretty new but just hit level 30

[analog agate]

I definitely can rate it

[topaz bobcat]

Alright just made it lol

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/build-editor

Hope that link works

[fathom adder]

Looks like you need to spend some talent points there bud

[analog agate]

Yeah, link doesn’t work

[topaz bobcat]

Damn lemme fix it

[fathom adder]

It has to be saved to generate its url

[topaz bobcat]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/build-editor?id=9e1ea4c1-52c1-4ebe-a923-d258f2dff77e

There it is. Didn’t see the button

[wind spruce]

Never run warp rupture

[fathom adder]

Warp Rupture is terrible, take Creeping Flames

[topaz bobcat]

Thought it was good for horde clear. I’ll swap it

[wind spruce]

Precog is also bad on psyker. Run shred or unstable power for damage or wrath if you're using the sword into hordes

[topaz bobcat]

Where’s that at?

[wind spruce]

Creeping flames is the other option under venting shriek

[tranquil sluice]

is there a universe where this is useful on my psyker?

[fathom adder]

I wouldn't use Empyric Resolve with a Venting Shriek build, as you need higher Peril to do more damage with it (and everything else, since you have Warp Rider and your staff has Warp Nexus)

[wind spruce]

Use it at 84%+ peril to apply 6 stacks of soulblaze

[wind spruce]

Nah empyric resolve is meta for EK

[last shore]

best one ever.

[wind spruce]

And it gives you longer smites, too

[wind spruce]

If it was Gloriana it would be perfectly bad

[topaz bobcat]

Should I just swap it with a +15 toughness?

Nevermind gonna try penetration of the soul

[fathom adder]

Nah go with what he said. Penetration of the Soul is bugged anyway (only applies to Soulblaze) and isn't that great even on a dedicated fire build

[wind spruce]

Penetration of the soul is bugged and does literally nothing. Stick with ER.

Oh it affects soulblaze?

TIL

[topaz bobcat]

Oh it said warp attack I thought I was just gonna horde clear with smite

[analog agate]

ER is completely fine with shriek. You will only run into a problem if your run inner tranq (I personally do on EK/VB) and/or you are running inferno

[jovial juniper]

Not anymore apparently

[fathom adder]

Did they break it further

[proper osprey]

The carry build

[topaz bobcat]

Alright I’m gonna call this build good for now until a new update nerfs all the fun stuff

[proper osprey]

Tox gas tox bombers

Blight spreads

[nocturne dust]

uh, no

PotS does not work at all

[fathom adder]

Not anymore I guess

[nocturne dust]

That is how it has been since its release

It literally isn't in the rending calcs

[proper osprey]

I wish it was rending all the time

Like vet

[fathom adder]

Argue with whoever told me (I forget who)

[nocturne dust]

No

Don't spread info you didn't verify

[nocturne dust]

Oh no, is that the guide

[fathom adder]

Yeah

[nocturne dust]

😭

[fathom adder]

brb rewriting the guide after personally fact-checking everything in it

[nocturne dust]

Unless they fixed it recently in a hotfix I missed

[nocturne dust]

Literally me

[weary idol]

Fatshark would never. Incorrect information is lore accurate to the setting

[sturdy reef]

BUILD GREAT, OP 4 HAVOK!!!!!! https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9da2c283-f13c-4891-81a7-57cf16477536/relic-blade-build-op-great-for-havoc

[nocturne dust]

I mean I can literally test PotS with soulblaze right now

[fathom adder]

I literally can't because if I'm shitposting in here it's because I'm not at my PC :^)

[analog agate]

Then do it

[frozen glacier]

Does Brain Burst count as weakspot damage/kill?

[analog agate]

😡

[nocturne dust]

I am

I yam

https://tenor.com/view/yam-yes-ok-sure-okay-gif-4096904

[sturdy reef]

yes

[frozen glacier]

Thanks

[buoyant maple]

Did not happen

[wind spruce]

Hahhaa fuckin' hell

The athaneum strikes again

[nocturne dust]

Yeah no

PotS doesn't work

@near wyvern your guide is wrong again

my damage when PotS should be triggering at 15 stacks of soulblaze is 224, and my damage when PotS shouldn't be triggering is still 224

and that's without any other buffs

[wind spruce]

Is the adm of soulblaze <1 vs unyielding?

[nocturne dust]

This was my testing build

[nocturne dust]

Rending should still apply bonus damage

[jovial juniper]

:burgleJam:

[wind spruce]

TRUE

[jovial juniper]

[nocturne dust]

There's also a buff on the bar for PotS

but you can see my damage doesn't change

[nocturne dust]

https://tenor.com/view/his-on-fire-fire-dance-fire-performer-so-lit-the-weeknd-gif-12871785

[wind spruce]

Has anyone tested battery gunner recently

[sturdy reef]

Wtf is that lol

Battery gunner

[patent mango]

let me guess

it looks the same as the usual zealot builds

[sturdy reef]

Worse

[patent mango]

its like 5 points off ig

no faithful frenzy bruh!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[sturdy reef]

Lol

OP FOR HAVOKZ!@$^@^!!!

[patent mango]

all those talents before immolation nade are so bad lmao

[sturdy reef]

There is just 1 worth it

[patent mango]

left side also stinky

[sturdy reef]

+20% dmg to unyielding/infestes

[patent mango]

fr

[broken carbon]

https://tenor.com/view/abysmal-dogshit-gif-12732720091837856159

[sturdy reef]

First 2 nodes in left side are all you would need

[patent mango]

"WITH THIS BUILD ITS PRETTY MUCH IMPOSSIBLE TO DIE"

"but i would reccomend the boltgun

great for hordes aswell as elites"

does boltgun even do good horde clear

[nocturne dust]

stands still
dies

[broken carbon]

yet another falls to the “tknives are worthless in havoc” lies

[nocturne dust]

https://tenor.com/view/pikachu-shocked-face-stunned-pokemon-shocked-not-shocked-omg-gif-24112152

[patent mango]

why did slopshark make so much slop for zealot

[broken carbon]

true

[nocturne dust]

tknives are worthless in havoc because I can't aim

[patent mango]

like waht is this

[nocturne dust]

[broken carbon]

don’t forget

unremitting

[patent mango]

lmao

[broken carbon]

-20% sprint cost

soooooo good

guys

it’s just

so peak.

[nocturne dust]

-100% sprint cost when

[broken carbon]

this at least had a coherent thought in mind, with that center cluster of nodes being intended for gun zealot (yet they put dance of death on the right?) with the reload speed on melee kill talent within that cluster

still is a bad talent though

the duration would need to be increased

[sturdy reef]

Dance od death in right tree doesnt make sense

[broken carbon]

a lot of zealot talents are in weird spots

[wind spruce]

It was the only viable gun psyker build until the recent talent rework

[sturdy reef]

Oh

I started playing again in the uh

[patent mango]

this should be the most slop?

[sturdy reef]

Patch before last

[wind spruce]

Gunker just flat out didn't work without warp siphon and warp battery

[patent mango]

there isnt that much pure slop its more just mid stuff

[nocturne dust]

wat

[wind spruce]

[lone wing]

yes it did lol

[nocturne dust]

Isn't gunker like

the exact same as before

[proper osprey]

First one

[lone wing]

i played gunker before the rework

[wind spruce]

Sorry athaneum said otherwise

And it's always right

[broken carbon]

don’t forget punishment

[proper osprey]

The master retribution can knock dogs off of you

[patent mango]

what

[sturdy reef]

Yes it can

[broken carbon]

still mid

[nocturne dust]

Call me when there's a node that unnets me

[broken carbon]

tbh

[patent mango]

huhh uhhh uhh

whch one. . . .

[broken carbon]

the psyker mind cannot comprehend turning around every now and again

[patent mango]

is tis really pure slop

[nocturne dust]

?

No this is for zealot, noob

[broken carbon]

to look for trappers

[patent mango]

idk what unninteruptible is

[nocturne dust]

[sturdy reef]

U ever get staggered out of a heavy

[proper osprey]

Yeah punishment is some booty

[broken carbon]

TWBS stun immunity but slightly better

[sturdy reef]

Uninterruptible removes that

[patent mango]

oof

[patent mango]

rarely

[proper osprey]

No I run thy wrath be swift

[patent mango]

gonna check how much pure slop other classes got

[sturdy reef]

I dont run it on martyrdom

Points too tight

😦

[broken carbon]

lets you revive without being staggered from bullets that break ur toughness, but the duration is so short that i have only ever seen that come into play ONCE

[proper osprey]

Twbs is so amazing

[nocturne dust]

much worse*

[sturdy reef]

Yeeee

I love it for objs

[buoyant maple]

Being guard broken doesn’t force exit on reviving teammates

Also I think ranged attacks don’t interrupt your actions if you’re out of toughness?

[proper osprey]

It’s unbelievable what it does that’s not listed

[broken carbon]

it’s better as to what it does, but the proc condition is significantly worse

[broken carbon]

correct

[nocturne dust]

true

[broken carbon]

also pretty sure it applies to interactions such as the synchronistors on gloriana

[proper osprey]

Twbs also makes it so fire doesn’t stun you

Twbs should be baked into zealot

[patent mango]

frick that 5% health node

i think this is the ogryn slop talents

[analog agate]

After doing about 30-40 matches with mk8 fgs. And ~5 with mk6.

Mk6 is the superior fgs

[buoyant maple]

Uninterruptible is you cannot get your action interrupted regardless of what hits u, as long as you don’t get downed by that

[patent mango]

also yes i put the entire burst limiter override keystone

[nocturne dust]

Ogryn should get a 'dodge antithesis' build where they literally can't dodge but just don't need to

[buoyant maple]

Slam is not slop

[patent mango]

how

[buoyant maple]

Rest yes

[buoyant maple]

Slam actually changes stagger breakpoints

[patent mango]

fr?

[nocturne dust]

like they can just shrug off hounds and rip nets with their bare hands

[buoyant maple]

Yea

[patent mango]

for crushers?

[proper osprey]

Slam is alr

[sturdy reef]

Slam isnt bad

[patent mango]

i still dont ever wanna take slam lmao

[sturdy reef]

Rampage slam on relic blade

[proper osprey]

Tbh I’d take it for shield

[sturdy reef]

Staggers bulwarks

[buoyant maple]

Karsolas heavy without slam cannot stagger rager on body hit

You’re gonna think about that the next time u need to cleave 12 Dreg ragers and stagger all of them

[patent mango]

i wouldnt take shield so ig thats why

[nocturne dust]

Ogryn relic blade?

[patent mango]

zam

[sturdy reef]

Oh I mixed uo talents lol

[deft stump]

Only bad if controller lul.

[proper osprey]

I wonder if that’s possible lol

With mods

[patent mango]

they can still buff slam imo tho ogryn needs help lmaoo

[proper osprey]

Nay knifes are good on controller

[buoyant maple]

Slam’s downside is that it’s not soften them up

[patent mango]

true

[proper osprey]

Idk how you miss with knifes they are magnetized

[patent mango]

i never wanna take slam

damig good

[buoyant maple]

They don’t have magnetism

[nocturne dust]

Nothing is good on controller

[proper osprey]

They don’t?

[buoyant maple]

Nothing does?

[buoyant maple]

It’s just larger hitscan

[proper osprey]

[deft stump]

I feel like you think they are kraks or something.

[nocturne dust]

https://tenor.com/view/fortnite-rufus-rufus-fortnite-disagree-fortnite-raccoon-fortnite-gif-11775068854815055548

[buoyant maple]

It’s like revolver sized hitscan

[proper osprey]

Oh

[buoyant maple]

Largest is void strike

[nocturne dust]

Is knife hitscan?

[proper osprey]

I guess I’m the outlier

[buoyant maple]

Mb I should specify
Hit-registration check volume

[proper osprey]

90% of my knives hit

[deft stump]

They can hit but do nothing.

[patent mango]

ok

[nocturne dust]

I miss 100% of the shots I take

[patent mango]

psyker has too much slop to post

[sturdy reef]

All psyker slop nodes are avoidable

[buoyant maple]

U can miss an enemy’s head to the side and still hit head, it’s not magnetism, it’s just the hitreg being big

[proper osprey]

Be nice to me

[patent mango]

thank god

if i had to take perilous assault i'd be sooo sad

[sturdy reef]

Imagine if osyker had to take something like mind in motion

[patent mango]

slop trio of pure slop

[deft stump]

I mean... lul.

[proper osprey]

Mind in motion is so poopy

[patent mango]

i think psyker has the most slop out of any class

its all just avoidable though somehow

lucky ig

[buoyant maple]

Not all, the 50% wield speed talent is unavoidable if u want to play EK surge left click

[sturdy reef]

I dont need that left side for my ek lmb

[proper osprey]

Please fatty fish put souldrinker on the left side

[patent mango]

left

[nocturne dust]

The minor peril res nodes are slop and unavoidable

[patent mango]

convenient line of slop

[deft stump]

They are fine, I run EK and Strike so...

[nocturne dust]

They are not fine.

[proper osprey]

I’d rather get the useless node than the other one

[sturdy reef]

POTS the biggest robbery from psyker

[nocturne dust]

The sign of a bad psyker

😔

[patent mango]

like what is this one

[proper osprey]

I like my toughness

[patent mango]

who made that

[nocturne dust]

And?

Imagine feeling the penalty of ER

[patent mango]

i wonder how much slop vet has

what does vet even have

[proper osprey]

https://tenor.com/view/weegee-sonic-ytp-die-lolol-gif-16413864

[proper osprey]

Determined

Uh

[nocturne dust]

https://tenor.com/view/come-at-me-bro-anime-gif-10035523

[patent mango]

determined cant be that bad right

[proper osprey]

Krak nade

[sturdy reef]

The bottom row of vet talents

[deft stump]

If you kamikaze, does it give toughness to allies?

[sturdy reef]

Are pure gas

[proper osprey]

https://tenor.com/view/glorpflex-glorp-flex-flexing-cat-gif-237031439715906425

[proper osprey]

Prepare yourself

[patent mango]

do they think melee attaks cost stamina or what

[sturdy reef]

Desperado

[patent mango]

which ones desperado

[sturdy reef]

+30% weakpoint dmg

[deft stump]

Has uses, but if you are getting shot at on higher diffs, you are basically dead.

[proper osprey]

That’s an amazing perk whar

[buoyant maple]

Bait

[sturdy reef]

Im saying vet perks are gas

Very good

[patent mango]

oh

[nocturne dust]

https://tenor.com/view/jesus-holy-spirit-judas-what-really-went-down-gif-26624478

[patent mango]

gas is good?

[proper osprey]

[patent mango]

guh?

[proper osprey]

I’ll spank you

[sturdy reef]

Thats on the left hand side

[deft stump]

Push stab push stab!

[buoyant maple]

Veteran has a lot of bad talents that can very easily be made better

[patent mango]

help!!!!!!!!!!!!!! hel me!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[sturdy reef]

Near marksman focus

[nocturne dust]

https://youtu.be/gIkBJruoxG8

[tepid python]

when the perk is straight fire

[patent mango]

cant you just say fire

[proper osprey]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-one-at-a-time-ladies-aaron-if-he-was-a-cat-funny-cat-gif-565648516443483223

[tepid python]

me quelling infront of the huzz

[patent mango]

i think psyker really has the most slop somehow

the temptations of chaos

canon slop........

[sturdy reef]

The vet talents on the bottom row are so good, you can run keystoneless vet

[proper osprey]

hello darktide fine shyt

[deft stump]

Look, stam+knoife=fun.

[proper osprey]

I love mercy killer knife on vet

[tepid python]

salutations hereticuzz

[proper osprey]

Mods pin this

[patent mango]

yea psyker has probably the isngle worst talents in the game

well like top 2 worst

obviously in general its good

[supple yacht]

Which two are those then

[tepid python]

that perk that lets you walk faster as you quell 😂

[sturdy reef]

Perilous assault and unlucky for some

[patent mango]

perilous assault and charged strike i'd say

i cant name a single use for them

[sturdy reef]

Charged strike is also dog

[patent mango]

unlucky for some would also be horrible

[sturdy reef]

WHERE IS MY BIOMANCY PSYKER MELEE TREE

[patent mango]

mind in motion is at least qol

[worn heron]

Nop

Look at the zeal tree

[supple yacht]

I mean, Zealot has emperor’s bullet

[worn heron]

A bunch of them simply dont work

[sturdy reef]

When does unlucky for some ever proc really

Unless you are playing gloriana lol

[deft stump]

Shotgun build.

[patent mango]

i dont think any zealot talent is worse than perilous assault?

[supple yacht]

And master’s retribution

[patent mango]

idk no way right

[sturdy reef]

Perilous assault does nothing for psyker

[deft stump]

If it's the last bullet fired grants buff.

[proper osprey]

That one’s not bad but not good

[tepid python]

heel toe heel toe my psyker says aloud as he quells

[proper osprey]

Gets a dog off you

I wonder if it stuns mutants

[supple yacht]

Ah I’m mistaken

[patent mango]

psykuh

[supple yacht]

Marty’s purpose I meant

[worn heron]

-20% stamina (unremitting)

[supple yacht]

The CDR on damage taken

[patent mango]

eh

[worn heron]

Ambuscade (ranged backstab damage)

[patent mango]

i'd rather have that

and that too

[supple yacht]

That one’s okay

[patent mango]

specially gunker

[worn heron]

Nex tto nil dmg btw

[proper osprey]

Bon back shots

[supple yacht]

Bolter dumping

[worn heron]

Pious cut throat (doesnt work properly)

Swift certainty (works only at a 90 degree angle)

[buoyant maple]

What

[buoyant maple]

No

[patent mango]

5% movement speed is still like ok

[sturdy reef]

Swift certainty is one of the biggest bait talents lmao

[worn heron]

Martyrs Purpose

[deft stump]

Is god for 1 single penance.

You know which.

[buoyant maple]

Swift certainty is not only at 90 degree angle

[worn heron]

U get some of ur shit refunded depending on the damage an attack hits u with

[proper osprey]

I like it because it makes me faster

[worn heron]

The backstab hitbox is inconsistent between enemies

[nocturne dust]

Pious Cutthroat isn't as bad

[proper osprey]

Other than that it’s mid

[worn heron]

Most consistent is scab shooters

[patent mango]

isnt pious like really good

it gets me sooo much cdr sometimes

lmao

[buoyant maple]

It’s 120 degrees for melee backstab, 180 degrees for ranged flanking attacks

[supple yacht]

For stealth build yeah

Not sure about any other build though

[deft stump]

I assume you don't knoife.

[worn heron]

It's a 60 degree angle, im exaggerating for comedic affect, which is still incredibly awful for the offensive run at enemies melee class

[supple yacht]

Haven’t tried much out of that

[nocturne dust]

Wasn't funny

[worn heron]

Unremitting is totally worthless, the one beneath that talent is pawful too (6% reload reduction on melee kill)

[buoyant maple]

Yall gotta stop exaggerating for misinfo

[worn heron]

Martyrs Purpose is probably the worst though

Excluding coherency regen talents between all chars

[proper osprey]

Even with knife it’s better to take invocation of death

[patent mango]

probably still does more than perilous assault somehow

[nocturne dust]

Still better than the worst Psyker nodes

[worn heron]

Those are generally worthless for everybody

[deft stump]

Just dodge around a horde and randomly stab.

[proper osprey]

Me hates cutthroat

[buoyant maple]

this is veteran's worst talent

[patent mango]

isnt that like alright

[nocturne dust]

You seem to hate lots of good things

[patent mango]

alright ish

[late sapphire]

Straight up inspiring it

[proper osprey]

Ur so mean to me

[supple yacht]

Coherency regen sucks

[late sapphire]

And by it I mean haha

[worn heron]

Perilous Assault and Martyrs Purpose r probs like

[buoyant maple]

+10% coherency-based toughness regen

[worn heron]

Equally awful

[proper osprey]

Be nice to me

[deft stump]

Unless bolter gunker ever comes to be.

[patent mango]

ah only toughness from regen is guh

[buoyant maple]

u should really rethink that

[worn heron]

There has to be like another worthless talent more worthless than those two

[patent mango]

ithought it was all toughness if u were in coherency idk

[nocturne dust]

Just stating facts

[proper osprey]

Nay

[worn heron]

Towering Presence ?

[buoyant maple]

1/3 the value of a toughness regen curio perk

placed in the same row between Iron Will and Demolition Team

[proper osprey]

I’m not bad anymore

[patent mango]

ohhh my god

[buoyant maple]

hydrogen bomb vs coughing baby vs hydrogen bomb

[proper osprey]

[patent mango]

its so peak........ peak slop.............

[deft stump]

You rather take the other two.

[patent mango]

vet just entered the slop wars

🔥

[supple yacht]

Such selfish perks, that 10% regen can save your team.

[worn heron]

Does this apply to any tness replenishment or is this only tness coherency regen

[buoyant maple]

toughness coherency regen, 10%

[deft stump]

Excuse me. Inf nades means much stagger.

[nocturne dust]

I am legally unable to believe you as long as you hate on ER

[fleet aspen]

Is columnus still good? Haven’t played in a while

[worn heron]

Excluding those all of those are worthless on every class

[patent mango]

uh sorta

its not colomnus anymore

but its still good

[nocturne dust]

Columnus was renamed to Vraks

Is still good

[patent mango]

its called vraks? idk why

[fleet aspen]

Oh

[dull scroll]

mk5 is goated now that close ranged is like 50% more apparently

[nocturne dust]

They renamed old Vraks to Columnus too

[buoyant maple]

Veteran has a bunch of other slop tier talents that can very easily be made better

[sturdy reef]

Zealots hate ER because they are too used to FotF

[patent mango]

please fatshark save us frfom the slop

[proper osprey]

Bro the toughness reduction SUCKS

[worn heron]

Towering Presence i think is probably worthless

[nocturne dust]

https://tenor.com/view/weakness-disgusts-me-madara-uchiha-madara-naruto-weakness-disgust-me-gif-17219305

[worn heron]

On Ogryn

[sturdy reef]

Its worth it

[patent mango]

we need game wide slop talent reworks

[proper osprey]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9d5cc452-6030-42a4-afe1-2b54e0c4337c/terrible-pysker-build

[nocturne dust]

Bro, I literally slotted in ER and noticed nothing

[worn heron]

18 meter coherency

[nocturne dust]

[proper osprey]

Peep my build

[nocturne dust]

Imagine getting hit

[proper osprey]

I changed block reduction to gunner res

[nocturne dust]

warp expenditure

Trash

0/10

[proper osprey]

[nocturne dust]

Failure of a build

[proper osprey]

[buoyant maple]

like these

[nocturne dust]

Also, you're taking all these defensive nodes

[proper osprey]

https://tenor.com/view/spongebob-meme-spongebob-screaming-spongebob-screaming-run-away-gif-4374785819174740755

[nocturne dust]

but skipping on Kinetic Deflection

[proper osprey]

Yes

[nocturne dust]

The single node that will save you the most once you use it well

[proper osprey]

[nocturne dust]

plus, +5% crit is no joke

[patent mango]

is sprint dmg really that bad

[proper osprey]

It’s good but if I had extra points I’d get it

[sturdy reef]

I dont really run KD

[nocturne dust]

Mfer, you're taking Warp Expenditure

[worn heron]

Doesnt 8 stacks of focus target + kraks melt bosses

[sturdy reef]

Dont need it

[supple yacht]

It wears off basically by the time you swing

[buoyant maple]

it checks only for full seconds

as in, u can sprint 0.98s and slide in the last 0.02s and because of that u don't get the stack
so it's only active at the start of fights when u sprint into them

[dull scroll]

I wouldn't trash Focused Fire just yet, it's pretty good on bosses

[proper osprey]

Yas more toughness

[patent mango]

guh

[nocturne dust]

[proper osprey]

[nocturne dust]

Look at your curios

[worn heron]

Skirmisher still more useful than 50% wield speed

[buoyant maple]

only at start of fight, general value very low because it's conditional +4.5% dmg for redirect fire, and doesn't change breakpoints for any weapon I've checked (which there are a lot)

[nocturne dust]

You're wasting so many substats on stamina

[patent mango]

this game has a slop infestation

[nocturne dust]

when all you need is KD

and suddenly you have more toughness

[proper osprey]

[nocturne dust]

cuz now you have +toughness

[proper osprey]

I love my stam

[nocturne dust]

KD replaces stam

and does it better

That's the whole point of taking KD

[proper osprey]

My stam lets me clutch

[nocturne dust]

You free up all of your stamina substats

[proper osprey]

I can run more

MY MOBLITY

[nocturne dust]

so use KD and clutch harder

[buoyant maple]

worst case is zealot
then veteran
then ogryn
then psyker (least)

[nocturne dust]

[patent mango]

psyker is so weird

[nocturne dust]

Stamina does nothing for your mobility on Psyker

[proper osprey]

Holy flip it I could I would

[nocturne dust]

You instantly regen stamina just by sliding

[proper osprey]

Lies

[patent mango]

them making psyker work out when perilous assault exists means they can fix the rest 🙏

[proper osprey]

Ok real

[deft stump]

12 stam bars on illisi.

[tepid python]

psyker had me straight pondering, mother fucking thinkin ahh, on my perks in havoc fr

[dull scroll]

nah you still need stam to push and such

[nocturne dust]

Like you just don't have a good reason to waste all 9 of your substats on stamina management on Psyker of all things

[proper osprey]

My knife on soyker has 2 stam

[dull scroll]

stam biggest factor in clutch

[buoyant maple]

ogryn has some rly bad talents but also some really strong talents that they generally don't need to think about the bad ones because the choice is so obvious

[tepid python]

🥹

[nocturne dust]

Psyker has such good regen he can almost instantly push forever

[buoyant maple]

crunch vs batter is literally coughing baby vs hydrogen bomb

[nocturne dust]

Literally

[patent mango]

ogryn talent tree is soooooooo boring

[nocturne dust]

Stamina is a joke for Psyker

[proper osprey]

Identity crisis zealot

[fringe garden]

I don't think anyone is saying stamina isn't good on Psyker, just no need for all 3 curios to have it

[deft stump]

It better be 11!!!

[tepid python]

i cant into the gun side of ogryn and he has my nost play time

[dull scroll]

last time I tried to greed stam I got f'd over, hard

[proper osprey]

Mach 20 soyker with warp speed

[dull scroll]

it's a baiiiiit

[proper osprey]

And knife

[dull scroll]

those few points of toughness aren't worth it, truuust

[wind spruce]

You can get 30% from one curio perk, and even that is garbage

[nocturne dust]

idk wat that even means, 'greed stam'

[deft stump]

Inf sprint nyoom.

[patent mango]

buh

[wind spruce]

Stack stam

[buoyant maple]

most of ogryn's problems are due to lack of dodge linger, and having abysmal weapon selection (2 good melee, 1.5 good ranged)

[nocturne dust]

As an h40 player, they are absolutely worth it

[dull scroll]

as in been greedy and ditching the 3 stam curio

[nocturne dust]

well hold up

I was talking about stamina substats

[worn heron]

Power creep killed ogryn

[dull scroll]

well as a h40 player I'm saying that shit aren't worth it

[patent mango]

ogryn talents are sooo boring

[tepid python]

ripper and?

[patent mango]

the keystones for ogryn could cure insomnia

[nocturne dust]

Psyker's max stamina is an issue, especially on knife/dueling sword

[dull scroll]

wait, loool

[buoyant maple]

karsolas
shield
kickback
ripper V

[patent mango]

branx 🙏

i think single barrel is good

[buoyant maple]

I think gorgonum heavy stubber (not the twin stubber) is worth mentioning but the deploy time kills it for reactionary shooting

[feral carbon]

advice for these psyker penances?

[buoyant maple]

it can be good if u get to set up tho

[nocturne dust]

Spending all 9 of your substats on stamina management on Psyker is insanity and a very bad decision

[wind spruce]

+3 stam and 36% stam regen on gunker so I can run around like a crackhead

[nocturne dust]

Like, yeah, I can see cases (mostly meme ones) where you could spend some substats on stamina

but all of them is...

[dull scroll]

wait what substat, you talking about the small node talents?

[deft stump]

+9 stam and all stam regen. Heh.

[patent mango]

ooooooooh my goood

whos a stamina addict

[raven mountain]

Idk. I rarely feel the need for more than one +3 stamina. And most of the time, if I'm on fgs, that already feels like overkill. Not to mention if you have the block-on-peril talent.

[patent mango]

fgs is 5 stam

[dull scroll]

you ditching the stam regen?

[patent mango]

so it good

[nocturne dust]

@proper osprey

[patent mango]

i do run sprintt effic anyways lmaooooo

[deft stump]

+9 stam.

[nocturne dust]

no, that's FyreStone's build

I never use stam regen on Psyker

[dull scroll]

uh interesting, that I haven't tested

[nocturne dust]

You literally don't need stamina substats, KD replaces them

At most, you need a stam curio

[sturdy reef]

Nah, I dont run KD

[deft stump]

They only use +3. +9 better.

[nocturne dust]

Skill issue

[dull scroll]

what's KD

[sturdy reef]

Wot

[nocturne dust]

Kinetic Deflection

block with peril

[dull scroll]

that

[deft stump]

With KD.

[deft stump]

Ragers do 1-2% peril damage per chain.

[dull scroll]

it's reall the sprint that eats up stam

but I'll give it a try

[nocturne dust]

Sprint slide

[proper osprey]

I grab kd with my trauma staff

[raven mountain]

I don't mind putting 1-2 substats on something stamina related.

[proper osprey]

I use knife with it

[nocturne dust]

Psyker's stam regen is so good you can sprint slide endlessly and regenerate stamina while doing it if you have the timing down precisely enough

and that's with 0 stam substats

[raven mountain]

Yep, and 1-2 substats makes it so you don't even have to try to be precise.

[nocturne dust]

Actually, I find the substats don't really help

[hearty wolf]

Ya I run no stamina regen on Psyker but one stamina curio just for sprint or msv peril

[nocturne dust]

the timing is precise enough that you'll regenerate only a few percent of stamina no matter what

[wind spruce]

I run +3 stam so I can drop KD on gunker

It's so point starved

[nocturne dust]

💀

I would take KD over TTS

[raven mountain]

Man, gunker is the one I'd expect to want it.

[wind spruce]

+3 stam is more than you'll ever need for blocking

[nocturne dust]

[wind spruce]

I would to if I wanted the build to be way worse

[nocturne dust]

I mean, I just take both

[dull scroll]

KD is goated, if you got boss aggroed in a tight space that thing save your life

[nocturne dust]

[wind spruce]

Just dodge

[nocturne dust]

Imagine thinking Gunker is point starved

[deft stump]

Nu. Moar so afk tank DH for MM.

[dull scroll]

tight. space.

[nocturne dust]

maybe if you stopped wasting points on all those Scrier nodes

[hearty wolf]

KD is a bit like until death

[wind spruce]

do. odge.

You can dodge on the spot

[nocturne dust]

Shush you

Blocking is very important

[wind spruce]

Speed is goated fk u

[tepid python]

my run speed...

[nocturne dust]

🗿

[dull scroll]

you get cornered in an elavator with boss and horde you aren't dodging shit

[hearty wolf]

Okay but it has utility because you lag all the time.

So you can survive smelter finale by yourself

[raven mountain]

Scrier's just doesn't feel the same when you press the button and don't go fast.

[nocturne dust]

Even if I didn't lag, it's still so useful 😭

[sturdy reef]

Scriers speed with conbat knifr makes me feel like a crackhead so no u

[nocturne dust]

Like, all those clutches I did I would've been instantly vaporized without KD

even if I ran stam substats

[raven mountain]

Like a Zealot*

Ftfy

[patent mango]

i love kd!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[wind spruce]

You can dodge on the spot

[hearty wolf]

It's just in a good spot in the tree

[nocturne dust]

Imagine using knife for anything other than repositioning with staff 🗿

[raven mountain]

Not completely true. You do need some space to zero point dodge.

[hearty wolf]

So it's pretty much a good take in any build

[nocturne dust]

invincibility frames

[deft stump]

You need space. I know, I run agile on ds4 and if you are really surrounded, you can't dodge at all.

[raven mountain]

Yeah. But if you're up against the wall, you don't actually dodge to get the i-frames

[dull scroll]

also you run out of dodge, fast

deflect with KD tank reapers like nothing

but that's a bit niche

[weary idol]

Imagine spending anything on stamina on psyker tbh

[patent mango]

imagine not spending everything on stamina

[hearty wolf]

Imagine using toughness or hp tho

[weary idol]

The stamina regen delay is so short you always have stamina, and you can just get peril blocking if you care

[hearty wolf]

Literally useless

Hp is a dump stat

You start with more than 1

[nocturne dust]

wound meta?

[hearty wolf]

Yes, 3hp, 3 wound

[raven mountain]

Shit. If we aren't getting hp, toughness, or stam substats, that leaves what, dockets, combat ability regen, and grimoire corruption?

[hearty wolf]

3hp as in literally 3 hit points with 3 wound curios

[wind spruce]

Experience

[hearty wolf]

Dockets and xp

[nocturne dust]

dockets, xp, curio chance

[hearty wolf]

And curio chance

[nocturne dust]

[wind spruce]

Speed lvl for the emporer

[hearty wolf]

Yes

I would do it if the xp glitch didn't exist

[nocturne dust]

Making money, collecting artifacts, and building your resume for the emperor

[hearty wolf]

Then I could truly achieve the highest of levels

[nocturne dust]

[wind spruce]

WHAT

EXPLAIN

[nocturne dust]

There used to be an xp glitch

It's how some people got +1000s of levels

[hearty wolf]

Long long time ago, ya.

[patent mango]

yoou could set your clock back and forth to xp weekend to have inf xp multipliers

actually i made this up i had no idea

[nocturne dust]

sorry

There used to be multiple xp glitches

[patent mango]

theres multiple?

[wind spruce]

Get your goddamn facts right

[nocturne dust]

were

[wind spruce]

We're

[patent mango]

theres weres multiples?

[wind spruce]

One

[nocturne dust]

We'rewolf

[wind spruce]

With the warp

[patent mango]

sogwolf

[nocturne dust]

si

They all were kinda the same tho, and were stacking xp bonuses in ways you were not supposed to be able to

[hearty wolf]

The way I recall

Was using xp curios

If you downed and then got revived

It added the modifier again

[weary idol]

so the glitch primarily affected knife zealots

[hearty wolf]

So you'd basically farm downs then cash out a mission with +250000% bonus xp

[tepid python]

+90% xp 😳

[patent mango]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1046914150363844779/1334710158525202443/99vpAu6.gif

[patent mango]

that explains the crusher deaths

[deft stump]

Martyrdom ones.

[feral carbon]

after using scryer and defy destiny for abotu 3 matches

holy shit im ZOOMIN

adderall build fr

[feral carbon]

which bozo made these two 2500?!

and my game crashes :)

[icy breach]

Those are ez

[weary idol]

yeah those are both easy

elites and specialists aren't rare

and smite is actually good horde clear if you build for warp damage

[nocturne dust]

okay* horde clear

I wouldn't call it that good considering the investment needed

and how much it can hamper other aspects of your build, not that a smiteker really needs those aspects

But even with all that it's still fairly slow. Good for bigger hordes, but the time it takes to clear smaller groups is bad.

[weary idol]

yeah that's why I use it with lightning staff

crits all the damn time, benefits from the warp damage boosts itself

good at killing small groups

[nocturne dust]

Imagine using smite

[pure dragon]

Can someone explain to me like I'm an ork how rending works?

[nocturne dust]

Armor hard

Rending break armor

[pure dragon]

[analog agate]

Got the 40 done for the week. Starting on Tuesday, I will be Henry

[strong gulch]

I probably downgraded to 38 by now. lol

I still need to farm havocs.

[deft stump]

Will do 40 if someone carries... when i wake up... I really should try napping.

[plucky flax]

You carry

[deft stump]

You carry.

[analog agate]

Carried a lvl 31 psyker, blue and purple weapons through an auric mael. Took 2.8k dmg. Wtf

[deft stump]

I'm bad but not even that bad...

[analog agate]

All he did was shoots his gun and assail

No melee. No block

[deft stump]

Dodge?

[analog agate]

I honestly didn’t see that much. He was getting downed so often haha

[deft stump]

I don't block much but the dodge button spam heh.

[analog agate]

The teammates were the ones getting him up as I was carrying everyone

I think that is the most dmg I have seen someone take

[deft stump]

Might have seen worse tbh.

Cos I remember 21 deaths in a random heresy.

[plucky flax]

Agile dodge spam op

[deft stump]

I only use that in H40 on zealot though, unless pugging on zealot with knoife doesn't work out so I pull that out.

Though I'm most likely on my Vet anyway.

And that is knoife knoife knoife.

[raven mountain]

Yep. ds4 doesn't need other stuff to function, and then you have a no-brain defensive item. Agile for life.

[sturdy reef]

how long ago was the aetheneum guide written? It seems pretty out of touch

oh it has a havok section

[feral carbon]

just got the smite one done, how tedious or how long do yall think these would take? because overwhelming presense was slow as hell when i tried doing it last

[cerulean urchin]

Is the blaze greatsword viable for high levels of Havoc?

[vagrant onyx]

You can do these at same time

[feral carbon]

what im currently doing, got abuild for it

[vagrant onyx]

Overwhelming will take like 6 hishock or so but pretty passive

[feral carbon]

what should i use with the keystone?

[upbeat kestrel]

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