psyker-class

[cold ivy]

until you can empower staves to have good charge/quell speed they're gonna feel like ass to play, i did most of my levelling with zarona revolver and assail spam

[copper carbon]

How can I improve this build for melee soulblaze, I felt really strapped for points because of the nodes I needed to grab https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9e186ea3-612d-4706-997e-cfd976798ca9/melee-soulblaze-psyker

[marble crater]

Okay, assail is probably still your friend together with venting shriek or shield if you want more security.
Play like two hits will kill you, because they will if you are coming from zealot you should have the melee part down at least

[nocturne dust]

2nd least of the staves

[deft stump]

Well, technically, it's 4-5 but...

[marble crater]

Ok

[deft stump]

Oh right, you don't have until clutch.

[marble crater]

Melee soulblaze is a meme and not very good. You could save points by using assail instead of BB. Souldrinker is also not a good talent, so that's another point you can save.

But the best way to improve melee soulblaze is to play something else. Anything you burn will either die with the hit or the second hit, the soulblaze deals virtually no damage and the build would work better with another blessing instead

[copper carbon]

Does souldrinker not stack?

[marble crater]

No

[copper carbon]

I see

bait node

[nocturne dust]

Yes

[marble crater]

I don't think it even refreshes the duration?

[nocturne dust]

Very bait

[nocturne dust]

It doesn't

[copper carbon]

Only reason I went BB was to get psykinetics aura

[marble crater]

You need to wait until it's gone and then get it again

[copper carbon]

Does sciers also not buff the base damage of soulblaze?

[nocturne dust]

sadly, melee soulblaze isn't worthwhile in the slightest

[copper carbon]

Like the stacking 40% bonus

[nocturne dust]

Scriers does buff soulblaze, but soulblaze is exponential

from stacking

so stacking it high is more important

and you can't do that with melee

[marble crater]

Melee soulblaze doesn't have meaningful soulblaze damage to buff

[nocturne dust]

yeh

It can theoretically stack high

but the issue is it's on-crit

and melee already does very high damage per hit for most good weapons

Like, the Blazing Spirit blessing on Trauma is the meta, but has a lower stack cap, simply because the application is way better with a ranged, massive AoE

[copper carbon]

So I guess I could grab quietude or warp expenditure instead of souldrinker then

More replen that way

[nocturne dust]

Quietude

[marble crater]

Or warp splitting for more cleave

[nocturne dust]

Warp Expenditure sucks

[copper carbon]

So if souldrinker is bait then wildfire is probably pointless here cause souldrinker isnt a node

[nocturne dust]

Wildfire is good, but... for soulblaze builds.

[snow kayak]

[nocturne dust]

Melee soulblaze is not what I would call a soulblaze build

[copper carbon]

Lowkey I thought souldrinker did more

Biggest bait node ive ever seen

[marble crater]

You will also soon see that you thought soulblaze on melee did more

[copper carbon]

I mean I still top out damage by like 300k over the next highest so I thought it was fine

But thats just psyker being psyker

[marble crater]

Yeah that's not because of soulblaze

Not on melee at least

[copper carbon]

tragedy

[muted grove]

What’s your advice for doing crazy damage like that

[copper carbon]

Hit things

Idk man

[marble crater]

Don't get hit yourself

[nocturne dust]

Try a non-meta melee

[copper carbon]

My last game that I ran that build with in auric damn. Mostly carried by sciers probably

I'll swap some stuff around and run it again

[marble crater]

There is a scoreboard that shows you soulblaze damage, best use that

Someone can tell you the name, not me

[modest perch]

Ovenproof

[copper carbon]

I was unaware of this

[modest perch]

You gotta set it up properly before running a mission tho or the board will overflow beyond your screen

[nocturne dust]

actually that will be deceptive

because it will count the soulblaze as actual damage and the melee on the killing hit as 'overkill'

[modest perch]

[nocturne dust]

but that won't change the fact that melee would've killed in the same amount of hits with or without the soulblaze

(and the soulblaze will be low anyway )

[marble crater]

It still won't show high numbers for soulblaze, so should be fine for getting the point across

All that said, if you think fire sword is cool, even if useless then go ahead and play it, unfortunately it's just not great or even good

[cold ivy]

you need ~6 stacks to kill trash in aurics, iirc

that's like 2 crits from the fgs but any trash mob you crit twice is already dead, plus even if you get up to 6 stacks you still have to wait for them to burn to death but they're in melee and actively trying to hit you, so you might as well just kill them by hitting them with your sword instead of dodging/blocking and waiting for them to slowly tick down

[modest perch]

I wish fire sword was good

[marble crater]

Yea

[copper carbon]

Yeah I'm aware its not good lol just wanted to see if it was possible and make a build around it

[modest perch]

Tried like hell to make it work with illisi

[copper carbon]

Would be nice if they buff souldrinker

[modest perch]

Indeed

I did have some luck using pc on gunker yesterday

[marble crater]

I think that build is just a worse version of a melee psyker build

[copper carbon]

So since melee crit isnt as useful aside from like empathic evasion I guess I would run what, unstable power and precog?

[nocturne dust]

Precog isn't great for psyker

Even on full meleeker, I think it's overrated by a lot of zealots who try to play psyker

[marble crater]

Wrath

[copper carbon]

Planning on taking warp splitting

[nocturne dust]

Yeah, I would run wrath and unstable power or wrath and shred, or wrath and riposte

[copper carbon]

cause fuck it

[nocturne dust]

Unless you're really good at keeping your peril up, I would still run wrath

But it also kinda depends

[earnest sand]

Is unstable multiplicative or additive by chance?

[nocturne dust]

mk6 has a harder time chewing hordes so I find wrath more useful even with warp splitting

but mk8 is more horde oriented

[copper carbon]

Yea im running 8

[marble crater]

But which is better?

[jovial juniper]

Unstable is strength
Most likely Mult

[earnest sand]

Ty

[nocturne dust]

mk6, and anyone who says otherwise is a zealot in disguise

[earnest sand]

Mk8 and jokes on you I don't even have a zealot leveled up

[nocturne dust]

I don't even know who you are

[earnest sand]

Both solid to be fair doesn't feel like a wrong choice

[nocturne dust]

Yes, both are solid

[earnest sand]

I'm a newish console scrub

[copper carbon]

cruel fortune and purloin providence for DD aren't very good right?

maybe cruel fortune is good

[marble crater]

Yay, I welcome all fellow console players

[nocturne dust]

Cruel Fortune is good

Purloin sucks

[copper carbon]

Ok i thought so

So i drop souldrinker and wildfire for cruel fortune and warp expenditure and redo blessings on greatsword

[marble crater]

Warp expenditure

[nocturne dust]

warp expenditure

no

[copper carbon]

sorry quietude

got the names wrong

am dumb

[nocturne dust]

https://tenor.com/view/lemongrab-adventure-time-unacceptable-acceptable-gif-24708423

[round blaze]

What blessings for DS would you guys recommend in a flame trauma build?

[marble crater]

Uncanny and riposte

[nocturne dust]

uncanny and thrust

[round blaze]

troll

[nocturne dust]

Gotta oneshot those muties

[nocturne dust]

Oh no

you've been corrupted by zealot logic

[marble crater]

Aim for the head, there should be a word for that

Thrust is actually nice too though

[nocturne dust]

Thrust is really nice, especially on Psyker

and Havoc just makes it neater

[marble crater]

I used it on vet and wanted to use it on psyker too, but I forgot

[nocturne dust]

Like, Psyker doesn't run at things with his melees

(generally, barring meleeker)

so you have plenty of time to charge that oneshot

[marble crater]

Me running at the two shooters

[nocturne dust]

as a defensive blessing for psyker's melee, thrust is really, really strong

lets you gib mutants even on h40

lets you bean the crusher trying to sneak up on you

and since trauma can handle pretty much everything except mutants

really, the sword is just for murdering muties

[brazen burrow]

Can someone recommend a"supprort" psyker build?

[nocturne dust]

Don't.

Jk, jk.

But like, support isn't a thing.

[marble crater]

Voidblast is support, because you stagger everything

[nocturne dust]

You can play more supportively, but at the end of the day you're literally just stripping the damage out of a build.

[nocturne dust]

Yet somehow I always seem to outdamage everyone even on a rending trauma

[copper carbon]

Best you would do is bringing bubble

[nocturne dust]

Bubble, rending trauma, smite

[copper carbon]

Smite

[nocturne dust]

Psyker has a number of 'support' tools

but they all help you do a heck of a lot of damage

Even bubble, it's just there to give you bigger windows against ranged

[marble crater]

How do you want to support?

[raven mountain]

Your primary support build is basically all damage with bubble.

[marble crater]

But what if: bubble and smite

[nocturne dust]

You could do a meme infinite smite build with SG

but like

everyone will hate you

[raven mountain]

But what if: you afk and let the bot play?

[marble crater]

Tell me more, I need something to play

Actually no, I swore never to use smite again

[raven mountain]

I don't mind scrier's damage that uses warp unbound for some free smite time. And I don't mind smite for peril building to dump with shriek. But any further, and it's pretty oof.

[patent jacinth]

Triumph of character development

[wet charm]

Squeak (by far the best combination is bubble and voidblast if you are looking for the most potent support build)

[wet charm]

^

Squeak (sorry rat forgot to reply)

[nocturne dust]

no

[strong gulch]

combat axe, VGA, smite, crit, shriek, DD

chainsword, voidstrike, smite, crit aura, SG, warp siphon

DS2, shredder, BB, elite aura, shriek, EP

combat axe, surge, assail, CDR, SG, warp siphon

[proper osprey]

Oops

[deft stump]

Would you like one of my halfasleep builds???

[wet charm]

Squeak (however rat would strongly advise against taking smite as the voidblast fills the same role without falling into the vices of an overreliance on cc)

[nocturne dust]

If you need something to play I can introduce you to

PERFECT SYMMETRY

[proper osprey]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1288287202249408616/1328580520300249088/speed-2.gif

[strong gulch]

I got the urge to pile up enemies with smite then blast em.

I know I could just blast em anyways.

[marble crater]

Those all sound terrible

[marble crater]

No

[muted grove]

Rat! It’s good to see you’re on, I wanted to ask why you picked precog for your dueling sword?

[nocturne dust]

blackhole staaaaaaaaaaafffffff

plz Fatshark

[strong gulch]

Yes

[deft stump]

Hrmph.

[nocturne dust]

also, gimme a frost staff

[marble crater]

I will just play EK with FGS now

[nocturne dust]

Like Inferno, but infinite range and all it does is slow enemies

[muted grove]

Is this actually a thing or a total meme?

[nocturne dust]

yes

[proper osprey]

Please give us the bolt staff

I wanna throw soul blaze blots

[nocturne dust]

Literally any lmb build is bolt staff

except Inferno

[proper osprey]

[strong gulch]

Shotgun parry staff

[wet charm]

Squeak (great question! In the simplest answer, rat takes precog because it suits rat’s playstyle perfectly)

Squeak (rat focuses on using the voidblast for dmg and stagger the vast majority of time, with the duelling sword as support to finish off priority targets)

Squeak (having a boost of finess helps immensely when switching to DS for a quick head poke before back to the staff again)

[modest patrol]

The sense of foreboding I get when I see this at game start

[deft stump]

@paper dust Got attacked by lil gremlin before bed heh.

[wet charm]

Squeak (oml cute)

[blissful solar]

[muted grove]

I’m not really 100% on how finesse works but if it helps with that then awesome…with your build I’m really only having a hard time with muties so far

[nocturne dust]

(thrust)

(use thrust)

[wet charm]

Squeak (rat thinks finess dmg just increases weak spot dmg)

[nocturne dust]

( )

Finesse increases weakspot and crit

[last shore]

Inspect weapon. Hover over finesse. It explains it

[deft stump]

Yeah, she's an adorable floofball. Will jump up to paw and get attention lul.

[muted grove]

Are you serious

[wet charm]

Squeak (the best way to deal with muties is to poke their heads twice)

[last shore]

Yes

[deft stump]

Or once if crit heh.

[modest patrol]

The idea of fatshark having any good explanations lol

[nocturne dust]

If you use thrust, you can poke their head once

[wet charm]

Squeak (the best way to do that is pole them as they are charing at you, before dodging to the aide and poking their head from the side)

[nocturne dust]

Considering muties are the only real enemy that can get past Trauma (other than bosses), I consider thrust really good for that pairing

[wet charm]

Squeak (it takes a bit of practice but it will save you so much time when mastered so you can go back to voidblasting)

Squeak on higher havocs, you will need some void syphon stacks for the damage to reach the two head poke breakpoint)

[cold ivy]

tangentially related: with inferno staff usually i run uncanny + agile because uncanny helps with soulblaze damage and having infinite dodges from agile helps you get out of big trouble

[wet charm]

Squeak (but an alternative is to charge a 50-100% staff attack on the mutie before poking twice for more dmg)

[wet charm]

.0.

[nocturne dust]

or thrust, or +maniac

Heck, you can oneshot muties on h40 with thrust and +maniac, which is what I do

[wet charm]

@muted grove squeak (rat would love to watch you play and answer any more questions you might have!)

Squeak (perhaps we can scurry together sometime) :3

[nocturne dust]

also, if you hit them on the head with your special, they get force-staggered

which is fun

[wet charm]

Squeak (The conversation deviated slightly away from your question. Rat would recommend having a look at this build, but not necessarily trying it if you are newer to the game)

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9df8cf62-74bb-407a-b6ab-b942ad63597d/the-best-psyker-build-rats-trauma-psyker

[nocturne dust]

[wet charm]

Squeak (it really is the closest thing rat has seen to the best build in the game)

Squeak (and the video at the end demonstrates how all the information comes together)

[prime elk]

This really is the weirdest roleplay I've seen here

[nocturne dust]

I don't want to come down on you or anything, but this ain't near perfect imo

[wet charm]

Squeak (but especially if you are new, just focus on trying different builds and having fun! When you have reached the point where you want to start mastering the game, then give the rat tech a try)

[wet charm]

Squeak ;D

[deft stump]

Naw, who knows, maybe everyone is roleplaying to some degree, hrm?

[wet charm]

Squeak (if rat could play perfectly, rat wouldnt have the would curio and crys will) >.<

[prime elk]

I guess I'm role-playing as myself

[nocturne dust]

I mean, you don't need to play perfectly to avoid Crystalline Will

It's more beneficial to not edge than to bother taking Crystalline Will

[wet charm]

Squeak (it is super beneficial for rats playstyle)

[deft stump]

Is more, most people wear masks around others to some degree.

[nocturne dust]

That's fair, but when you say 'perfect' that's not quite the same

[wet charm]

Squeak (with how much rat is doing, and especially all the inputs, rat often gets careless and pops in the worst times) ._.

[nocturne dust]

Again, fair, but it doesn't take a huge amount of practice to avoid that

[prime elk]

Maybe semantics or philosophical but I don't consider that roleplay really. It's natural to show different sides of yourself to different people

[nocturne dust]

and there are other issues with the build

like stacking way too much peril gen reduction

[autumn lark]

https://tenor.com/view/speed-ishowspeed-i-show-speed-crash-out-funny-gif-8363744719394755136

[nocturne dust]

and you're also missing perfect timing

which is pretty free damage on every staff build

[cold ivy]

to borrow monster hunter terminology, this is a comfy build, not a speedrun build

[wet charm]

Squeak (it is a bit hard to explain, but practice doesnt really affect it for rat. Its more like how much rat can multitask and keep track of everything in a dynamic battlefield)

[wet charm]

Squeak (rat’s build)

?

[nocturne dust]

I mean, I don't run speedrun builds

[cold ivy]

yeah

[wet charm]

Squeak (it can very much be both) :3

[nocturne dust]

This is just a weird build that takes a number of questionable choices.

[nocturne dust]

No, this build definitely can't be

Even ignoring stealth/skipping encounters, you're not maximizing damage anywhere near hard enough to be a 'speedrun' build

[wet charm]

Squeak (haha rat agrees, but the form really does follow its function)

[cold ivy]

the terminology just means you can squeeze out a biiit more damage at the cost of safety if you want

[muted grove]

That would be fun!

[deft stump]

I suppose. I'm generally open and blunt, but some things are best not shown or said.

[nocturne dust]

I mean, perfect timing is a significant bump for staff builds

[cold ivy]

cuz all the monster hunter speedrun builds are just "max damage, don't get hit" and then you drop some damage for safety based on your own personal needs

yeah

[nocturne dust]

It's 15% at basically all times

[wet charm]

Squeak (a great point, but rat has noticed that in build theory crafting in this discord, people tend to focus too much on the numbers and maximising for dmg)

[cold ivy]

well without nexus maybe it won't always be up

cuz this is a rending trauma build, iirc

[autumn lark]

run affinity and crit boost then you already have 40% more dps

[nocturne dust]

Well, no, because it's not theory crafting, generally

[cold ivy]

(also i think you may want to dump warp resist on the staff instead of blast radius?)

[nocturne dust]

people run the builds they show, normally

[wet charm]

Squeak (where in reality we are but humans and rats, who dont play perfectly all the time. So we must compensate for that)

[cold ivy]

iirc warp resist doesn't affect staff performance that much but blast radius is pretty useful

[nocturne dust]

and also, your build doesn't even do defense that well either, for example taking a peril gen reduction minor node instead of toughness damage reduction minor node below the aura

[deft stump]

If only I have that awful idea of maxed -peril gen build to drop now to take the flak.

[nocturne dust]

yes

Warp res is the dump because it scales terribly

[wet charm]

Squeak (a great point but also a commonly pointed out aspect of the build. With animation cancelling rat is able to more than compensate for reduced blast radius, and warp resist becomes much more of an issue)

[nocturne dust]

[wet charm]

Xd

[nocturne dust]

You can't compensate for a lower AoE, and warp resist is useless

[wet charm]

Squeak (again it is hard to explain until you watch how rat scurries)

[nocturne dust]

like, it rarely even gives you an extra attack

[cold ivy]

how much is the difference between 60 and 80 warp resist? i feel like it was something like 10% more peril generated overall, e.g. going from 10% to 11%)

[autumn lark]

On which weapon?

[cold ivy]

voidblast

[wet charm]

Squeak (rat would just recommend watching the video at the bottom of the guide to get an idea, and if you want to see more of how rat plays, there are always Vods from rat’s twitch streams)

[autumn lark]

If you have an issue with peril using voidblast you can use scrier's node

But its not that big of a difference between 20%

[thorn cedar]

unbound is a fucken trap

[wet charm]

Squeak (intuitively it helps a lot. Rat doesnt focus too much on specific numbers tho) .-.

[autumn lark]

You can also inspect your weapon to see the modifier on a stat

[nocturne dust]

I'm watching. Again, I don't want to be harsh but... it doesn't look like great gameplay.

Like, you can play how you want and that's fair

[wet charm]

Squeak (rat must scurry home, but will continue the conversation when back)

[sudden willow]

Based Rat is based

[nocturne dust]

but I think it's dangerous to give recommendations based on this style of gameplay, especially when it's not even a very strong style of play

[broken carbon]

uh oh noob on noob violence

[nocturne dust]

Silence zealot main

[broken carbon]

[nocturne dust]

https://tenor.com/view/forrest-gump-wave-hello-hi-sup-gif-16159238468026206620

[wet charm]

Squeak (rat might seem brash, but rat really does like talking about this and will bear no ill will against anyone)

[deft stump]

Don't make me call Carrot back to be adorable.

[broken carbon]

who is carrot

[raven mountain]

Lies!

[prime elk]

It's hard to hate on rat 😭

[deft stump]

"My" doggo.

[broken carbon]

erm

i have a wolfdog

sooooo

i win sry

[wet charm]

Squeak (so dont worry about saying something potentially offensive if you know you dont mean it in rude way)

[prime elk]

Our doggo

[thorn cedar]

stop calling cole a wolfdog

[broken carbon]

yeah i hate you and and you smell

pwned...

[wet charm]

T^T

[autumn lark]

It isnt a trap if you still know how to handle peril gain

[wet charm]

Squeak (rat still appreciates you fren)

[deft stump]

Nu.

[autumn lark]

You unironically have a wolp?

[nocturne dust]

The numbers do matter at the end of the day. Like, your playstyle will do less work, and that work is entirely number-based. It's fine if it works for you, but from where I'm standing it seems only like something that is extra work for less payoff.

[sudden willow]

See, this is why Rat is based.

[nocturne dust]

It's funny tho

[broken carbon]

yah

[last shore]

As much as I don’t find the rat roleplaying amusing…everyone has their own playstyles or whatnot. If it works for them, it works for them.

[broken carbon]

thats ghost

[nocturne dust]

because looking at the video in their build

it seems like a playstyle that is more exacting

[autumn lark]

PEAKPEAKPEAKPEAKPEAKPEAKPEAKPEAK

https://tenor.com/view/emo-gif-1771696518054862294

[nocturne dust]

Like, it looks like you can make less mistakes with their build

[broken carbon]

hes so funny

[raven mountain]

There was like a half-dozen nodes that I was like oof about.

[brazen burrow]

It seems this isnt too newbie friendly.

[deft stump]

Is a bloody game, just play what you find fun unless tryharding h35+.

[nocturne dust]

It isn't, no

[broken carbon]

it is not

not at all

[nocturne dust]

hey

[brazen burrow]

Guys I am looking for a build that uses Smite and Bubble .. in my mind, thats "support"

[nocturne dust]

We're not allowed to agree

[broken carbon]

uhh erm

uhh

precog good on fgs!

[cold ivy]

looking at the vod i can see the reasoning behind warp resist though

[brazen burrow]

Is Voidblast considered newbie friendly?

[broken carbon]

it could be a fun way to play, but i doubt it'd come anywhere close to a standard trauma build in terms of damage and effectiveness

[cold ivy]

it looks like they're quell cancelling just for the faster animation instead of waiting for one tick of peril reduction

[nocturne dust]

I can see the reasoning behind their choices given their playstyle, but the playstyle itself is problematic

[broken carbon]

all the staves are

theyre really easy to use

[sudden willow]

They state that openly.

[autumn lark]

Yes

[brazen burrow]

Is there a build that uses staffs along with smite and bubble?

[autumn lark]

Does good damage and is extremely easy to use

[nocturne dust]

Yes

[last shore]

Personally it’s my least favorite staff

[nocturne dust]

Just don't try to do what Rat is doing

[broken carbon]

noooo dont become a smite bubble

its soooooo over,,,

[nocturne dust]

Animation cancelling unneeded

Quell cancelling unneeded

[raven mountain]

I can't recommend against smite bubble hard enough.

[marble crater]

Maybe something like this

[nocturne dust]

Just full charge spam, or insta-spam at your feet if you panic and need immediate stagger

[raven mountain]

bubble voidblast, maybe

[nocturne dust]

[sudden willow]

problematic is an odd choice of words considering

[nocturne dust]

Inner Tranquility 🤮

[broken carbon]

you and shooting at feet

[nocturne dust]

you and existing

[marble crater]

For more smite

[nocturne dust]

Problematic in that it's a difficult playstyle that results in lower efficiency

It's fine to play that way

[sweet veldt]

so whats the lore explanation on why psykers get the big metal blindfold

[nocturne dust]

Just be aware of what you're getting into

[sudden willow]

Right, then it's not problematic?

[deft stump]

They don't need actual vision to see.

[nocturne dust]

It's problematic to recommend it to noobs and give it terms like 'perfect'

[marble crater]

Something about being able to see because of the warp, so blindfold that it's not confusing

[nocturne dust]

or 'best'

[sudden willow]

They LITERALLY said they don't recommend it if you're new.

[autumn lark]

Trauma staff nuking across the map

https://tenor.com/view/gold-scar-fortnite-og-meme-gif-16336600376003879735

[nocturne dust]

Yes, but there's zero disclaimer or information on the fact it isn't the best

[marble crater]

let's go

[last shore]

Give me

[nocturne dust]

and the fact they call it the best is my main issue, it's clearly not even in terms of something simple like raw DPS

[autumn lark]

https://tenor.com/view/gold-scar-fortnite-og-meme-gif-16336600376003879735

[sudden willow]

You called it perfect first...

[nocturne dust]

and more complexly, like safety, the RMB spam does very little

[nocturne dust]

The build's title is 'best', wdym

[sudden willow]

They said it's the best for them and they've seen

[sudden willow]

Dude, that's literally how most people name shit. It's a grab eye.

[last shore]

A rat and a goat walk into a bar….

[nocturne dust]

FUCK CLICKBAIT

[sudden willow]

You've spent 20 mins dogging on the rat.

[nocturne dust]

Not really

[sudden willow]

Yeah, really.

[nocturne dust]

I've just pointed out my stance and underlined my reasoning

[deft stump]

How many frags will it take to clear a room?

[last shore]

https://tenor.com/view/michael-jackson-comendo-picoca-gif-9669437860846841235

[nocturne dust]

All of them

[sudden willow]

Also anything that's titled like "The BEST build" is clearly not taking itself entirely seriously.

[sudden willow]

Repeatedly. And kinda insulted them and their build. Repeatedly.

[nocturne dust]

I disagree.

[deft stump]

I'm just gonna go stare at Valka before I bed.

[nocturne dust]

People do really think it's 'the best' sometimes.

[sudden willow]

Again 'problematic' is a very odd choice considering they were super chill and not pushy in explaining it. And yet like 90% of this server act like their gods gift to Darktide and are the one true source of all info and knowledge.

[nocturne dust]

I was trying to be gentle about it, sorry I suck at that.

[sudden willow]

Yeah, most people in this server talking about their builds. And yet Rat's attitude was entirely "this is odd, it works for me, maybe don't try it first, but give it a shot sometime you might enjoy it"

[nocturne dust]

who does?

I'm only in psyker chat, so I wouldn't know, but most people here just discuss things

🤷‍♂️

[sudden willow]

I mean it happens in here often.

[wet charm]

squeak (Unfortunately rat means it quite seriously)

[nocturne dust]

Lmao

[wet charm]

squeak (it is a bit of a click bait title, but rat does honestly mean it)

[sudden willow]

People shit on people's talent choice like it's obvious and should just know

[nocturne dust]

That's unfair

[sudden willow]

Fair

[nocturne dust]

When people come here, they ask for advice

so we tell them what they've done wrong and where it could be better

[wet charm]

squeak (and rat understands that rat's build goes very much against the norm, but from a voidblast main with 1000+ hours, rat has not seen anyone scurry as well as rat)

[nocturne dust]

so yes, we do crap on bad builds

[sudden willow]

Some people do. A lot tend not to.

[sudden willow]

T.T

[nocturne dust]

and, personally, I don't want a second gameslantern where any build floats to the top no matter how terrible

[wet charm]

squeak (also again, thank you for standing up for rat @sudden willow but rat is not offended and openly welcomes critisism as it helps rat become a better player and person) 😄

[broken carbon]

your average player is terrible, i’d be willing to bet that u probably haven’t gotten into many games with players who genuinely can compete with you, solely because the player skill distribution

[sudden willow]

Y'all are toxic elitist.

[nocturne dust]

🤷‍♂️

I'm being toxic by saying you can play how you want but your playstyle isn't maximum meta 😭

My mistake for running actual DPS calculations and recording data to determine the best strategies 😭

[sudden willow]

most player's on this server seem to think they're the dog bollocks though

[autumn lark]

https://tenor.com/view/miku-hatsune-miku-miku-miku-beam-beam-sawtowne-gif-17984643835845568705

[broken carbon]

i mean yeah but at least i actually am lmfao

[wet charm]

squeak (lets break down the argument then) ;D

[raven mountain]

And we didn't even need a scoreboard to do it!

[sudden willow]

Mate. You dogged on them at every turn for 20mins.

[thorn cedar]

i find this very hard to take seriously from a man who couldnt figure out how to stack mettle uptime

[nocturne dust]

My skill is bollocks

[wet charm]

squeak (rat is curious why you think rat's playstyle is bad and inefficient @nocturne dust )

[autumn lark]

para taking over cyn like the cymbiote lmfao

[nocturne dust]

That's why I know what's best, because I have to use the best or I'd never pass Auric

[wet charm]

squeak (again rat isnt offended by anything, you can be as blunt as you would like! just speak your mind)

[autumn lark]

https://tenor.com/view/marvel-rivals-venom-eddie-brock-scream-venom-symbiote-gif-12314598411579965553

[sudden willow]

See, you're a hypocrite.

[nocturne dust]

I literally actually tested it, proved it has bad uptime, and you're still on this 😭

[broken carbon]

i have to make up for his absence

[verbal thistle]

Middle

[wet charm]

squeak (what do you mean by uptime?)

[autumn lark]

keep up the good work

[nocturne dust]

symmetry

[wet charm]

.0.

[broken carbon]

i agree

[autumn lark]

wdym bad mettle uptime

isnt it just proccing on crits?

either pic precog scrier or both and mettle has a generous uptime

[nocturne dust]

You're spending a lot of effort and time on animation cancelling, when there's not a lot of reason to if you haven't fully charged your attack

[wet charm]

squeak (rat always takes an opportunity to learn)

[nocturne dust]

(specifically in melee)

[autumn lark]

again precog scrier to proc it

[sudden willow]

I just think your vibe is rad. Mad respect cause I cannot keep the same level of cool you can, painfully obvious I know.
You're doing your thing, enjoying it, and not chucking shade.

[autumn lark]

it outgenerates momentum

[wet charm]

squeak (what is the damage scaling of charge time compared to damage?)

[nocturne dust]

Firstly

[wet charm]

squeak (is it linear?)

[nocturne dust]

precog does nothing

it would be riposte

or shred

that interacts with mettle

[autumn lark]

i keep mixing up precog and riposte

[wet charm]

squeak (thank you kindly :D)

[nocturne dust]

linear

but

notably

for trauma

[wet charm]

squeak (so there is no downside to how long you charge then?)

[nocturne dust]

you also get bigger AoE

[autumn lark]

replace all of my arguments with riposte and itl make sense

[nocturne dust]

0 downside to charging longer

but also also

about mettle

[broken carbon]

second time you’ve made this mistake

lmfao

[wet charm]

squeak (what is mettle?)

[nocturne dust]

I'm specifically talking about melee uptime given you are moving between groups and also this is specifically about the speed buff

the toughness is always nice

but not relevant

[wet charm]

squeak (ah, do you focus more on melee with a voidblast build?)

[autumn lark]

good tip if im talking about precog asume riposte cause i forget how its named

[broken carbon]

talent

second on the right side

[nocturne dust]

No, mettle is irrelevant to the voidblast discussion, these are two separate topics

[autumn lark]

5% toughness on crit

[broken carbon]

oh first

oopsies

[wet charm]

squeak (ohh rat was confused) xd

[sudden willow]

I shall have to actually look into your build and try it out sometime.
Keep on squeaking 👌

[nocturne dust]

The point about mettle is a past one, basically the issue is if you spam heavies and don't move anywhere and always have a target available and have a consistent +20% crit, mettle will still expire

but the issue is

none of those things we just assumed are true for real matches

[dusky crag]

I appreciate the custom thumbnail on the build too rat just a little thing

[wispy bay]

Useless you run knife/sabre psyker, which is not too bad.

[nocturne dust]

so mettle tends to have poor uptime in realistic melee scenarios, and it's made worse by the fact that mettle matters most when it's most likely to be down, when you're running between groups of enemies

[broken carbon]

57% crit chance

its got good uptime

[broken carbon]

this i do agree with

i like mettle

but i wish the duration was a bit longer just to help close distance for gunners

[wet charm]

squeaK (rat must credit Edith for the fan art) xd

[autumn lark]

if you go right side psyker you literally vomit out crits

[nocturne dust]

The main issue is the inconsistency of crit combined with mettle's very small duration

Like, if mettle was ten seconds, everything would probably be fine

[broken carbon]

10 is too much

[raven mountain]

I like mettle on ranged for closing distance to swap to melee

[wispy bay]

FGS, force sword and other cleaving melee, mettle is not that good.

[nocturne dust]

or if mettle was on hit

[raven mountain]

or just reposition

[autumn lark]

Wait are you talking about mettle movement speed?

[broken carbon]

idk anymore

im just here

[raven mountain]

I am

[nocturne dust]

but yes, with faster melees like knife and DS, mettle is more okay, but I feel like that's unfair because those are literally the OP melees

[broken carbon]

im gonna war thunder actually

time 2 lose my mind

[verbal thistle]

[autumn lark]

Somehow a worse game

[wet charm]

o7

[autumn lark]

Cyn buy mhwilds

[broken carbon]

hell no

[autumn lark]

You arent my pookie anymore

[prime elk]

https://tenor.com/view/willem-dafoe-insane-insanity-crazy-nuts-gif-13969946

[autumn lark]

I hate you

https://tenor.com/view/tien-awesome-fkin-tien-shinhan-cool-tien-edit-gif-7171693473668315713

[wet charm]

squeak (back to what you were saying @nocturne dust , what is the downside of spamming smaller charges compared to full charges?)

[nocturne dust]

Smaller AoE

Rending application, and Blazing Spirit application both depend on that AoE

plus there is a minor amount of damage

and notably

the AoE is larger than the circle you see

[wet charm]

squeak (reduced dmg from the wind up and wind down animation yus)

[nocturne dust]

The circle you see is simply the epicenter

[analog agate]

Maybe you will get through Deadvoid. I have already tried talking about the downsides

[wet charm]

squeak (so the main problem you have is just reduced damage?

[raven mountain]

If you test range in the meat grinder, the aoe is huge compared to the circle. And it applies to either rending or soulblaze.

[nocturne dust]

and of course, if you spam your attack more, you spend less time charging which means you are doing less damage overall

but also also

the stagger depends on charge

if you don't charge enough, you won't stagger bigger boys, and will stagger the horde in less of an area

[autumn lark]

🖕 😎 🖕

[wet charm]

squeak (rat thinks this is simply a difference in playstyle then)

[nocturne dust]

[wet charm]

squeak (rat thinks the main advantage of trauma is stagger)

[nocturne dust]

I just gave you every reason to not spam your attack tho

stagger and damage

[wet charm]

squeak (if you can stagger an entire hoard, and specials that spawn, you dont need to worry about dps as they will all die eventually)

[nocturne dust]

Yes

and you do that with a full charge

and there is 0 reason to do less damage if you can do more

also, casting with Trauma costs peril

[wet charm]

squeak (the main strength of rat's build is that you can spam your secondaries fast enough to essentially stagger all priority targets, while doing great aoe damage)

[nocturne dust]

You can do that anyway tho

That's not a strength of your build, that's just Trauma

[upper galleon]

you can just pick up ferrets

the government can't stop you

[sudden willow]

this needs a hat

[upper galleon]

U NEED A HAT

[wet charm]

squeak (rat does full charge when trying to focus down enemies, but ultimately there is a lot more value in throwing 60-90% charges most of the time as it allows you to control the hoard not only for yourself but also for your team)

[sudden willow]

i prefer hoodies

[upper galleon]

DT is not a control focused game, you can do more by just killing

[nocturne dust]

But you do that anyway with full charges

[wet charm]

squeak (and while damage is great to have, rat ultimately values it far less than the CC capability of trauma)

[nocturne dust]

Like, you don't need that rapid of a stagger

especially with a trauma that has flurry

enemies will not be able to attack you regardless

so there is 0 benefit to the spam

you are only worsening your damage

[wet charm]

squeak (what about ranged and specials?)

squeak (what about enemies attacking your team?)

[sudden willow]

Damage doesn't matter

[upper galleon]

you are knocking enemies prone around them

[nocturne dust]

you are ranged, blow them up

wdym

[upper galleon]

blcoking their dodges

[raven mountain]

At best, it's coverage over a wider front. At worst, it's wasted peril and damage.

And specials really don't interact with trauma in any particular way.

[upper galleon]

you can just spam left click if needed

[nocturne dust]

With more spam, you won't stagger in as large an AoE

so you will be threatened more by ranged

[upper galleon]

trauma makes them miss their ranged attacks as well, since you are just making them roll around

[shy willow]

-looks in-

[wet charm]

squeak (the reason why rat so boldly claims that rat's playstyle is the best with voidblast, is because of how much impact you have on your team in staggering and killing targets anywhere in voidblast range)

[nocturne dust]

Yes

and you have that

with Trauma

with a normal playstyle

and it's better

[upper galleon]

like, i know for how you are talking about, you are 100% having your teammates take extra damage and even downs because of your playstyle

[autumn lark]

Yeah trauma has a nasty surpression profile

[nocturne dust]

wat

[upper galleon]

hate to say it but it's most likely true

[nocturne dust]

no

[shy willow]

whats all this hub bub? trauma staff not good? trauma staff is great

[nocturne dust]

are you kidding me?

[upper galleon]

trauma is great

trauma knocking enemies prone around your teammates so they can't dodge= terrible

[sweet veldt]

man how do yall master quell cancelling

[verbal thistle]

practice

[upper galleon]

practice

[autumn lark]

Trauma and purgatus are tied in terms of how strong they are

[wet charm]

squeak (sorry there are too many people talking rat is having a hard time following) xd

[blissful solar]

[nocturne dust]

I don't.

[jovial juniper]

Step one
Get a metronome

[shy willow]

if the enemies are surrounding you you don't have to run from them, and you can attack everywhere

[sweet veldt]

is it more quell > lmb bursts or lmb > quell burts

[wet charm]

squeak (rat will go back and address questions and points after)

[upper galleon]

it's alternating, hence why it's semi popular to use a macro to do it for you, but that's the loser's way imo

[wet charm]

squeak (but for now rat will focus on the discussion with @nocturne dust )

[sweet veldt]

is it a constant like every other beat

[autumn lark]

*bannable way

[analog agate]

It isn’t bannable

[raven mountain]

Not so sure it's bannable.

[sweet veldt]

lmb quell lmb quell just one after another?

[upper galleon]

it is

[autumn lark]

https://tenor.com/view/ishowspeed-laughing-don't-laugh-don'tlaugh-ishowspeed-laughing-gif-15284676702826611657

[analog agate]

No it isn’t. Show proof

[blissful solar]

it should be bannable. is there any proof it is though? i thought it was too but seems like it's not so clear

[upper galleon]

advanced macros that abuse/exploit unintentional mechanics beyond human capability aren't allowed

[analog agate]

Show. Proof

[wet charm]

squeak (rat will let them finish their discussion first tho) ._.

[upper galleon]

Common sense

[wet charm]

squeak (rat has plenty of time dwr) ;D

[nocturne dust]

Here is my issue: none of what you're saying is true. You don't do more stagger, and you don't help your team more. Charge scales stagger, so you are doing less stagger.

[nocturne dust]

This is untrue.

[raven mountain]

in a lesser range

[jovial juniper]

Yeah
Then you get Faster and faster and.... Consistent

[sudden willow]

And how do you know this?

[nocturne dust]

We have blatant users of beyond-human macros in this Discord.

[wet charm]

squeak (that only effects heavier targets such as bulwarks, crushers etc. The vast majority of enemies you stagger will be lighter, and even a 50% charge will knock them off their feet)

[upper galleon]

macro abusers on their way to explain how their macro to melee swap and attack 10 times a second is legit

[nocturne dust]

I have received 0 reports of people being banned for macros beyond what humans can do, let alone credible reports.

[brazen burrow]

Can someone comment on this "support" (bubble+smite) build?
https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9e1897c7-9478-484f-a909-e20235c0b32b/noobsupportpsyker

[nocturne dust]

No

[upper galleon]

because that is how trauma works

[nocturne dust]

It scales the AoE

You will stagger a larger area

by charging more

[wet charm]

squeaK (ahhhh but thats the thing)

[raven mountain]

with a higher stagger

[nocturne dust]

Simple testing

[blissful solar]

isnt it possible that spamming a stagger value would hit breakpoints more often

[wet charm]

squeak (you are assuming they are grouped up most of the time)

[autumn lark]

no

[wet charm]

squeak (when in reality, they are often spread out)

[upper galleon]

idk why you need psychic leeching, you only proc EP once per smite cast, and puppet master isn't exactly good either

[blissful solar]

overcharging it sure wont help you to hit more staggers tho

[autumn lark]

you need to hit a stagger breakpoint it isnt additive

[sudden willow]

So you've played both builds and actively compared them?

[nocturne dust]

Even if they aren't, your team will be safe as long as they're all inside that AoE

[blissful solar]

oh shi-

[wet charm]

squeak (but thats still assuming too much)

[brazen burrow]

Dumb question: I have not seen the Trauma staff anywhere yet?

[nocturne dust]

Yes

[autumn lark]

you cant do attacks unti lthe stagger is reached the attack has to stagger

[upper galleon]

see i hate thise type of discord arguements cause by the god emperor

[raven mountain]

My big issue with your support build is that trauma and smite overlap in utility really hard.

[upper galleon]

you can load up the game and see the radius increase with charge

[analog agate]

I have. Rat’s build isn’t as good and his way is unique to him. But isn’t as good as the “old fashioned” way

[fathom adder]

It was renamed Voidblast in order to make things more confusing

[blissful solar]

sourgoat's life in this server is coming to an end, i can see it

[autumn lark]

shit like heavy weapon push attacks thunder hammer heavy special and other stuff

[raven mountain]

Like the times you want to be throwing out voidblast are also the times you want to be using smite.

[wet charm]

squeak (once again, the strength of rat's build is its versatility and reactiveness to anything that might happen, seen and unforseen)

[autumn lark]

ogryn taunt and chorus have the highest stagger profile in the game and will stagger literally everything

[nocturne dust]

If your team is not in range, you cannot save them no matter how much you spam.

They will be simply out of range.

[sudden willow]

y'all are fucking acting like you're right and yours is the only way. if the rat build works for rat, let him cook

[wet charm]

squeak (oh thats what you mean)

[verbal thistle]

I played trauma once

[autumn lark]

atleast let trauma charge up for half the bar

[raven mountain]

It's been said like a dozen times that he can play the way he wants.

[upper galleon]

then he can cook on his own build and stop interacting with a server that's meant to give advice

[wet charm]

squeak (regardless, you still assume too much. It takes time to go around and stagger every enemy in your range)

[autumn lark]

at 0 charge it staggers nothing

[marble crater]

Thank you for your input

[naive pebble]

I like voidstrike more than blast idk it's something about the range I think

[autumn lark]

https://tenor.com/view/hi-hello-andrew-gif-3091015989928111603

[wet charm]

squeak (and the faster you can do it through animation cancelling and smaller charges, the more effective your cc becomes)

[autumn lark]

hiii ainz

[naive pebble]

Voidstrike is really satisfying too

[verbal thistle]

https://tenor.com/view/easter-doe-eating-deer-eating-popcorn-funny-gif-4621167703268332056

[sudden willow]

why? y'all give conflicting advice all the fucking time like it's the bible

[nocturne dust]

This is literally a channel for discussing a class and builds with that class

[verbal thistle]

this is funny

[nocturne dust]

[upper galleon]

whose y'all my sibling in the emperor

[verbal thistle]

Better than youtube, while I am farming mission on VT

[raven mountain]

Someone's persecution complex is showing again.

[last shore]

Will be a good day.

[nocturne dust]

Except, you won't have to bother if those enemies are dead

[brazen burrow]

thats a good point, actually, I have never played with Voidblast yet so I didnt think of that. Can I switch the staff for another staff instead?

[analog agate]

I think this chat has been pretty consistent on VB stuff

[nocturne dust]

or even better, actually ask something of your team and expect them to remain in position

[little elk]

Good inferno staff build?

[sudden willow]

why do you get to decide who interacts with the server?

[blissful solar]

alright hear me out. so yeah, stagger doesnt add up, it isnt cumulative.

but what if an enemy needs only 40% trauma charge to be staggered? wouldnt you want to spam 40% instead of anything else if your only aim was staggering?

[wet charm]

squeak (rat feels like this conversation has gotten a bit out of hand. With all due respect, Rat is having a discussion with @nocturne dust . Not an argument)

[upper galleon]

WHO?

[autumn lark]

no.

you want to fully charge trauma for the damage

[fast frost]

New stuff is so good but makes me sad it doesn’t work with more gear since it’s so white

[upper galleon]

Rat can interact, but it's a build on a public forum, we are allowed to respond and critique

[sudden willow]

you literally just said it you twat

[blissful solar]

for the damage, yes, but maybe he doesnt want the damage for some reason

[wet charm]

squeak (Rat will continue talking about this with you after chat has slowed down @nocturne dust )

[autumn lark]

btw

trauma has the full stagger of the epicentre on the entire circle

[blissful solar]

chat is going too fast bark woof arf no one will know

[marble crater]

EK instead of voidblast, then you have single/duo target stun and damage and smite for hordes

[analog agate]

But what if that doesn’t kill the enemy? Like, cool if that is a rager or something. But you ideally want to max blast to kill. Not stagger.

[autumn lark]

so even if an enemy is at the edge of the circle it staggers fully

[shy willow]

I like trauma users staggering and knocking everything to the ground, makes it easier to kill them all

[autumn lark]

i just run brittleness and crit with peril on trauma

[upper galleon]

you're a nobody inserting himself into the server, Stop trying to stir shit

[brazen burrow]

Sorry whats EK?

[upper galleon]

it's weird

[blissful solar]

yeah, for damage it doesnt work out. but for staggering specific enemies it could be useful

[marble crater]

Elektro staff

[nocturne dust]

If your team isn't in range of the max AoE of Trauma (which is quite rare on Auric or Havoc), they are going to be a problem. Your spam won't save them if they're that out of position and can't handle things on their own.

[upper galleon]

it really depends on the situation

[autumn lark]

but i might run decreased charge time on consecutive blasts for deranged scrier plays

[raven mountain]

EK staff is the go to. But you could also choose for voidstrike or a gun to snipe with instead.

[upper galleon]

it is endlessly frustrating for anyone to have their dodge blocked cause you are knocking stuff prone around and behind your team,

[brazen burrow]

Is Empyric resolve worth it for my build?

[sudden willow]

There's a difference between critiquing and discussing and just like doggedly trying to prove that you're right and 'best' and the other person is wrong. The attitudes are clear as day.

[autumn lark]

also dont spam trauma on people cause its extremely annoying lmao

[nocturne dust]

You're doggedly trying to prove you're right this very moment, dawg.

[analog agate]

Agreed. The argument is doing the minimal amount of blasts (and spamming them) to stagger. Which is essentially creating the problem of smite for zealot players at that point

[marble crater]

I think it's great, psyker has enough toughness regen that you barely notice the downside

[sudden willow]

oh sorry. I forgot I'm not known to some magical clique and don't have permission to talk and get involved in discussions on a public server.

[upper galleon]

your attitude is "well did you go and test it how do you know charging it for longer is more stagger in a larger area"

[radiant frigate]

greetings siblings what did i miss

[nocturne dust]

yeah, half-cast spam will hurt your team by preventing Ogryn/Zealot from absorbing toughness

because you lack the aoe to stun from afar

so you'll be too close to them and hurt their feeding on the horde

[autumn lark]

i full charge trauma cause othyerwise you wont make ogryns fall down

[sudden willow]

Not really, I'm just calling out your bs

[autumn lark]

which is much more useful than staggering

[nocturne dust]

Strange how everyone here is the asshole but you.

[sudden willow]

No, you're literally saying that his claims are all wrong, but how can you know that if you haven't tried it?

[blissful solar]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1084099322414649356/1333086822510755923/20250126_065034.gif

pictured: how we all should be

[upper galleon]

strange how SG acts the same way in zeal chat

[last shore]

Just waiting for the day he finally gets banned

[sudden willow]

Yeah, that's totally what I said lol

[autumn lark]

https://tenor.com/view/die-hard-goku-super-saiyan-3-goku-ssj3-issabreh-gif-5081907257611777824

me asf

[upper galleon]

Because I know the way trauma works, I've played with trauma, it's not rocket science

[nocturne dust]

You don't need to say things for it to be obvious.

[sudden willow]

strange how I've not hid the fact I find a lot of you to be very toxic 🤷‍♂️

[brazen burrow]

is it ok to switch out perilous combustion then to take empyric resolve?

[upper galleon]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DevX2tHApWI

[blissful solar]

https://tenor.com/view/ssj3-goku-dbz-gif-25727910 you after the gunner resist error earlier

[upper galleon]

here you go

[autumn lark]

QUELL CANCEL M1 SPAM IS BEING REMOVED

[nocturne dust]

[upper galleon]

PLEASE

[blissful solar]

he even bl*cked me!! that's how you know it's ogre

[autumn lark]

https://tenor.com/view/freaky-freaky-smile-sukuna-sukuna-smile-freaky-sukuna-gif-4852549280133734300

[marble crater]

Would rather take something else out, perilous combustion is great

[nocturne dust]

Real?

[autumn lark]

real

[sudden willow]

I can't really help how you interpret or perceive my behaviour of intentions dude. I never said everyone at all. I've engaged directly with you, and now ferret man.

[autumn lark]

it was said live in the stream fatshark did today

dotnl finally has to learn how to play the game LMFAO

[analog agate]

It should be. I know they mentioned something about it on the stream today

[sudden willow]

Aight, so that means you know all huh?

[sweet veldt]

wait it is?

[upper galleon]

no, i know how trauma works

[sweet veldt]

wow so i dont have to learn it right when i try learning it

[upper galleon]

sorry, voidlblast

[nocturne dust]

I mean, you accused me of being insulting and hypocritical, but you've by far blown me out of the water in that regard.

[upper galleon]

voidblast behaves like voidblast does

[autumn lark]

just spam click the primary fire

[analog agate]

Remains to be seen how they implement it. If they remove all quell canceling that will really nerf trauma staff rmb

[autumn lark]

its fine to use a macro to autofire but not complex stuff like canceling and stuff

[sweet veldt]

ive had even less luck with rmb quell cancel

[nocturne dust]

If they prevent quelling from cancelling animations it's going to hurt so bad

[upper galleon]

this is like explaining why the cheese goes ontop the taco bell taco and the person in the drive through goes "well you just KNOW everything then" no, i just been told that's the way the founder prefered it so that's why we do it

[marble crater]

I have never quell canceled in my life, bring it on

[upper galleon]

they will compensate with more natural m1 speed

[sudden willow]

lol

[nocturne dust]

Hopefully they do the hidden timer way and not just block it entirely

[autumn lark]

me neither

[upper galleon]

just like they did last time

[autumn lark]

i know how to play the game😂

https://tenor.com/view/homeless-nah-id-win-gif-11399565856913576326

[sudden willow]

I never claimed not to be. That's kinda the difference.

[autumn lark]

ainz shush

[upper galleon]

like last time they did a pass on quell cancelling, they made m1 better, so it will likely be the same, better baseline, less skill required, no more ridic macro peaks

[blissful solar]

i dont want you banned man. but you really do put yourself into shit. i do too, and my life (in this server) is also probably liable to getting guillotined one day too. you gotta accept that your attitude is somehow putting you in this position. i know you have me blocked but you probably read this anyway

[nocturne dust]

Show me where I claimed to not be, troll.

[last shore]

Dw fam. He will.

He got me blocked too.

💀

[brazen burrow]

Ok guys, I have updated my build. Any comments?

• comments on the first layer of talents>
• I am not talking charged strike, that ok?

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9e1897c7-9478-484f-a909-e20235c0b32b/noobsupportpsyker

[upper galleon]

sourgoat walks into a group of strangers and starts using We, Us, Y'all

[nocturne dust]

charged strike sucks

It's fine

[autumn lark]

get rid of perilous combustion

[radiant frigate]

who the hell is sourgoat

[nocturne dust]

In fact

I would question you more

if you took charged strike

[nocturne dust]

Probably a zealot refugee

[blissful solar]

they arent wrong that, like all discords, there is an undercurrent of bias in favor of pre-existing or beloved members

[sweet veldt]

scroll like 2 scrolls up

[radiant frigate]

would explain why i have never seen the name until like 5 minutes ago

[nocturne dust]

Name one beloved member

[upper galleon]

not exactly, we are very welcoming to new members and learning players

[nocturne dust]

We hate each other here

[last shore]

But gotta at least know how to read the room which he lacks the ability to do so.

[marble crater]

Mind in motion is useless, for the keystone you really should pick the charge after elite kill

[sudden willow]

If you look back in my messages I'm well aware of my situation lol. I put myself into shit cause I can't not speak up when I see shit I disagree with. It is what it is. I own my shit and accept what comes of it. I say my piece up front 🤷‍♂️

[radiant frigate]

ok obviously #1, our beloved

[blissful solar]

the way i think about it is like this. we may not recognize the biases we have for each other. but they must exist. they surely do, it's a natural part of humanity.

so where are these biases? well, since we cant see them, but they are surely there, then they are happening almost daily under our noses.

[radiant frigate]

yes beloved, everyone else IS out to kill us!

[upper galleon]

yogfrog= beloved member

[last shore]

I’m new

[nocturne dust]

Yes, Beloved, I will kill them all

[upper galleon]

https://tenor.com/view/cryptoflash-nft-nf-ts-wax-waxp-gif-26084108

[last shore]

And you guys have been nice to me

[blissful solar]

ya basically this is the sort of attitude that will get you killed (banned) eventually (on discord(literally))

[last shore]

So 🤷‍♂️

[sudden willow]

I accused you of dogging on Rat for 20mins and you were like "no I'm not" lol

[autumn lark]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1046913589614747719/1292603468497944698/RDT_20241005_190228553576971513151217.gif

[nocturne dust]

Yes.

[radiant frigate]

rat plays like rat does

[nocturne dust]

And?

[upper galleon]

lol if you weren't being an idiot, you'd realize what rat was saying

[marble crater]

People are only toxic to each other, not new people asking for advice

[radiant frigate]

i do not subscribe to the rat school of thought personally but it is preference

rat build is not max dps but it is max "deal with whatever possible situation is thrown at rat"

[nocturne dust]

I repeatedly said "it's fine if you play this way, but it is not optimal" and continued pointing out how it is not optimal

That is a discussion

[sudden willow]

cause y'all totally don't know each other and interact with each other all the time...

[radiant frigate]

i just dusagree because i want big sword

[nocturne dust]

I mean

Other than Kat

I know none of you people

[blissful solar]

if you think about it: there is only one optimal build. only one thing is "the best build"

[nocturne dust]

True

[radiant frigate]

and i just arrived here

[nocturne dust]

which is why calling it 'best' is such an issue for me

[blissful solar]

so relying on optimalness is somewhat betraying the point of it all. we have to know our affinities and strengths and play to them

[nocturne dust]

It's clearly not

[blissful solar]

he just hypes himself up because he's cute like that

[marble crater]

Rude, I have been here for over a year

[radiant frigate]

hands off old man fondue, he has done nothing wrong!!

[nocturne dust]

none of you people that were part of the earlier discussion*

[sweet veldt]

i know none of you here, but i recognize most in ogryn chat

[nocturne dust]

[marble crater]

[nocturne dust]

You were lurking or something

Coward

[sudden willow]

and yet the "it's a public discord" is constantly thrown around. like you can't preach public discord and then get upset when your cliche can't go undisturbed.

[indigo plank]

Ogryn masquerade ball

[blissful solar]

no one, on either side, yours, mine, theirs, or even ours, knows whether we are correct or whether this is just the result of a bias

[upper galleon]

no, your issue is that you don't make normal conversation or get familiar, you just insert yourself and act superior

[sudden willow]

I mean, sure, if you say so.

[upper galleon]

doubling with beign wrong or just, weird

[marble crater]

It's 2am and I'm already in bed, I rather help the other guy with his support build than argue with people

[nocturne dust]

I know I'm correct

[sudden willow]

.... really? okay

[nocturne dust]

and that's my bias

[radiant frigate]

fellow "i am never wrong" enjoyer

🤝

[brazen burrow]

Is Inferno Force staff good? what it is used for?

[radiant frigate]

torches hordes and bosses

[marble crater]

It's OP

[radiant frigate]

does not torch things at long range or carapace

[blissful solar]

it sorta depends on the mod team though. some mod teams are very merciful. the mod team here seem quite merciful from what i can tell, for better or worse (see: zealot and general chat heh)

you can survive in a community like this and not attract enough ire from the mods but it requires adaptations. it's like hiding from a predator if you're the type that wants to shitpost half the time

[sudden willow]

yeah but my issue is Rat held up his hand and said it might be weird but they think it's best. i hold up my hand and say I'm a problem and fuck up. most folks in here don't. they laud like they're never wrong and never admit to faults or fucking up.

[marble crater]

(don't use inferno and smite in the same build)

[brazen burrow]

by hordes you mean little guys right? not large groups of crushers or elites?

[radiant frigate]

my siblings are never wrong, therefore justified

[brazen burrow]

why not?

[nocturne dust]

Idk, I've not seen a mod team that disallows embeds from all members, even regular ones with roles, in general chat

but I'm not in many servers 🤷‍♂️

[radiant frigate]

it can kill anything non-crusher

[upper galleon]

don't try to equate yourself with rat, and don't speak for rat either lol

[blissful solar]

that's just one channel though

[nocturne dust]

True

[blissful solar]

and they didnt really ban anyone about it

[upper galleon]

rat literally said it was mainly just a discussion between deadvoid and rat

[sudden willow]

what are you even on about?

[marble crater]

Because inferno can also stagger everything that's not a crusher and kill everything that's not a crusher

[radiant frigate]

only rat can squeak for rat

[blissful solar]

we fucked up the chat chat

[nocturne dust]

Squeak (Nah, it can spread. Nurgle will make it so.)

[sudden willow]

lol, I'm not? jesus fuck

[radiant frigate]

meow (oh fuck i think it got me too)

[verbal thistle]

the infection

[radiant frigate]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-crying-cat-cat-meme-cat-crying-meme-crying-cat-meme-gif-7433931244412524776

[nocturne dust]

https://tenor.com/view/face-mask-mouth-mask-3m-ffp3-protected-gif-16526392

[wet charm]

squeak (hello frens! Would anyone like to scurry with rat right now?)

[marble crater]

Blight spreads

[wet charm]

squeak (Rat has some time and wouldnt mind doing some missions)

[sudden willow]

I'm making an observation about Rat's behaviour and your behaviours. Never claimed to speak for rat. I said i admired their style.

[upper galleon]

my issue is Rat held up his hand and said it might be weird but they think it's best. i hold up my hand and say I'm a problem and fuck up

they laud like they're never wrong and never admit to faults or fucking up.

also let's double down on this line, everyone here has fucked up or has an off meta build they like running, you simply "assuming" how we are as toxic and being toxic in response

[wet charm]

@nocturne dust squeak (especially you! Rat thinks it would be fun to compare playstyles in game)

[indigo plank]

Doing my zelchat community service at the burnt homestead and just watching Psyker chat igniting next door

[radiant frigate]

psyker chat is fine

[nocturne dust]

Sadly, I'm indisposed at the moment

[radiant frigate]

we have rat

[sudden willow]

I'm not assuming shit. It's in the language and the words and the tone you use b

[indigo plank]

I miss Kevin

[radiant frigate]

it's a good time

[indigo plank]

Kevin was a real one

[upper galleon]

https://tenor.com/view/the-gif-4092036949677724403

[wet charm]

squeak (thats okay, perhaps next time then) ;D

[nocturne dust]

I mean I can be here, lurking... watching... waiting...

[sudden willow]

You speak in absolutes and definites.

[wet charm]

squeak (We can continue the discussion later)

[nocturne dust]

but no game for me 😔

[upper galleon]

assuming tone over the internet, very smart

[upper galleon]

yes because somethings in life are absolutes and definites mr jedi

[radiant frigate]

t̶̰̍h̷̎̆ė̶̉ ̷͐̑ṽ̸͒ȯ̴̆i̷͊d consumes̴̈́̽

[upper galleon]

like the mechanics of a voidblast staff charging

[blissful solar]

chat is destabilized, someone do something

[wet charm]

squeak (in the mean time, Rat will be streaming for a short while for anyone who wants to watch what the average scurry is like with this playstyle)

[nocturne dust]

I'm absolutely, positively sure that Psykers need more staves

[upper galleon]

https://tenor.com/view/ferret-black-footed-ferret-black-footed-goofy-silly-gif-7414558264260005310

[wet charm]

https://www.twitch.tv/theratoce

[radiant frigate]

melee force staff too

channel your inner monk

[wet charm]

squeak (rat will let the gameplay speak for itself, but anyone is more than welcome to join)

[radiant frigate]

with the power of force bonk

[sudden willow]

okay, sorry. I didn't get the memo that I'm not allowed to join a discussion in a public channel in a public discord. where do I apply for my chatting rights?

[radiant frigate]

become stronk

[marble crater]

I will do something, I'm going to watch an episode or two of Solo Leveling and then going to sleep

[upper galleon]

they should give psykers a quarterstaff/battle staff

[radiant frigate]

very true

[upper galleon]

stop being a dramatic fool for starters, and learn that you can join a public channel, but how you do so may be judged by others

[nocturne dust]

You cannot apply. You will be given chatting rights when the Democratic People's Party of Darktide™️ decides you deserve them. Until then, serve well and await your just rewards that are totally going to come, we promise.

[upper galleon]

but playing the victim works too

[radiant frigate]

ask commodore hallowette
she will probably expect you to pay though

[sudden willow]

not really assuming when you read how people type and how they interact with people and piece it together. it's not hard or difficult. sure, sometimes you get it wrong but I'm not really seeing much to contrary my view atm and i trust my gut a lot more than anything you're presenting me

[nocturne dust]

I had a dream once that the staff specials imbued your melee with staff-specific powers

[upper galleon]

check for worms (in the gut and the brain)

[radiant frigate]

are there voices in your gut that tell you what people are saying more than the words that people are saying

[sudden willow]

and I can judge others in that channel as well, goes both ways

[last shore]

I just find it funny sour said no one can prove he was saying weird stuff that was breaking the rules. I link the conversation where he did and he peaced out

[nocturne dust]

Voices in the gut is a new one Nurgle working overtime

[sudden willow]

totally playing the victim here

[upper galleon]

yea but everyone already knows who i am Lol, i'm not exactly a mystery

[sudden willow]

the doctors won't give me the tests I want

[upper galleon]

I am 2 things, chain axe and ferrets

[sudden willow]

ahhh, so it does boil down to that

[last shore]

#zealot-class message

🤷‍♂️

[upper galleon]

yes, I did not join the server way back in year one, and instantly assumed I'm a spokesperson for others and the community, got told why revolver and lacerate sucked at the time, learned and moved on

like you still won't admit you were jumping to fight for rat when rat wasn't even fighting/arguing

[sudden willow]

okay, I still never claimed to speak for rat

[upper galleon]

you question if someone has really "tested" how voidblast charge up mechanics work, you are just weird

[sudden willow]

No, I'm questioning the testing of the specifics of rats situation

[upper galleon]

read how people type and how they interact with people and piece it together