psyker-class

[wispy bay]

And try to see where is your lay chip stuff.

[fiery stratus]

frites are normally thinner though

[sudden willow]

motherfucker i'm british. don't try to tell me about fish and chips xD

[fiery stratus]

small thin and crispy version of fries

[blissful solar]

if you click on the article it quite literally states

[sudden willow]

well fries are thinner than chips

[blissful solar]

"In the United Kingdom, Australia, South Africa, Ireland and New Zealand, the term chips is generally used instead, though thinly cut fried potatoes are sometimes called french fries or skinny fries, to distinguish them from chips,"

that's the best you get

[fiery stratus]

wouldnt they just be a type of fry

[deft stump]

THEY ARE ALL FRIED POTATOES.

[sudden willow]

mate, that's literally what I'm saying

[wispy bay]

Then you are an odd one out of 2 dozen British people I know.

[steel flame]

i finally found it, my new favorite psyker build of all time, my god is it glorious

[blissful solar]

it says "sometimes"

[fiery stratus]

we're busy talking about french fries rn

[marble crater]

Blocked

[weary idol]

oh god I knew it was gonna be bad seeing blazig spirit riposte on the FGS but eugh

[steel flame]

a full melee build that does more ranged damage than melee damage

[sudden willow]

look, y'all can't fucking gaslight me about my 30 years experience of fries versus chips in my own damn country

[weary idol]

this is a fucking memetic weapon

[steel flame]

this shit is fire

[blissful solar]

wikipedia knows everything

[weary idol]

I am getting brain damage looking at it

[sudden willow]

and can be edited by any pleb with a keyboard

[steel flame]

i only use my flame staff for boss damage, everything else is pure sword

its glorious

[blissful solar]

"In the UK, Ireland, Australia and New Zealand, deep-fried potato strips are generally and traditionally called chips. However, with exposure to the "french fries" on the menus of US-origin fast food outlets, the term "french fries" (or just "fries") has for many people come to mean, specifically, "chips" of the type usually served in those outlets, which are generally thinner, and also possibly crispier, than the traditional British "chip"." wiktionary

[sudden willow]

chips are fat and chunky, fries are skinny.

[blissful solar]

wiktionary is more advanced and meaningful for this sort of thing. you arent wrong but i mean...technically chips are just thick french fries

[sudden willow]

This is literally what I'm saying...

[blissful solar]

they're all just french fries tho

you're just forced to call some types of french fries "chips"

[sudden willow]

the level of either dumb or pig headed in this server absolutely sends me sometimes...

[deft stump]

ALL FRIED POTATOES.

[blissful solar]

you literally said "fries are not chips"

[fiery stratus]

anyone had those veggy straw fries?

[blissful solar]

those are some gooood shit

[sudden willow]

they're not. chips are not fries, fries are not chips. they're different. hash browns are not fries. potato waffles are not fries. crisps are not fries.

[fiery stratus]

Pretty good for a mostly non-potato product

[blissful solar]

i think i got that exact brand, their hot/spicy one. really good. probably not thaat bad for you either

[fiery stratus]

better than potatochips or fries for sure

[sudden willow]

Karien gets it, they're all different varieties/styles of fried taters

[sudden willow]

hash browns trump all

[fiery stratus]

but which ones

the shredded ones pan fried or the patty formed ones

[deft stump]

I don't care, I want some form of fried potatoes...

[marble crater]

I don't know, this sounds like me ranting about how white bread is not really bread or something

[sudden willow]

naah, it's just if you try to order one and expect the other, you're in for a rough time

i'm autistic and being autistic af over it, but my brain is like "they are two very different experiences served in different places for different things with different tastes and different vibes etc etc"

[deft stump]

Bread like product?

[fiery stratus]

on a side note white bread is dookie

some kinda whole grain something is better

[sudden willow]

it depends tbh. like a good patty beats a bad shredded, but a good shredded beats a bad patty. there are some god tier hash browns, but i feel maybe overall prep, ingredients and method determine the best.

[marble crater]

I refuse to acknowledge white bread as bread.
Although a better comparison to the fries vs chips debate is probably bread and toast

[blissful solar]

same can be said for burgers vs sandwiches. but ultimately burgers are sandwiches

[fiery stratus]

hotdogs are sandwiches

[sudden willow]

oh god, now you're going down a dark dark path where only heresy lies...

[deft stump]

Thus, bread like product.

[sudden willow]

And we're there...

[fiery stratus]

breakfast cereal is a type of soup

[blissful solar]

hotdogs are a lot more like a sub

which are also sandwiches i guess

[weary idol]

https://imgur.com/BBxoXrX

[marble crater]

Nah, white bread is just garbage

[sudden willow]

fuck man, i want a chip butty now

[deft stump]

I dunno, I get wholemeal.

[fiery stratus]

see things that are wrapped in a tortilla should be classified as something different, but the reality is tortillas are just unrisen bread

[sudden willow]

well no cause bread vs toast is potato vs fries, raw vs cooked

[wispy bay]

If you go Blazing with riposte, I think the Force Sword would be better than the great sword.

[marble crater]

No, because toast is not toasted bread, it's toast

[deft stump]

I think it's more, thin cut vs thick cut.

[wispy bay]

Also I would remove Souldrinker for Kinetic Deflection.

[sudden willow]

but you can toast thick or thin?

[deft stump]

IDK, they call the thick cut toast in some places.

[sudden willow]

fries are not fried potatoes, they're fries?

[marble crater]

This is toast

[sudden willow]

I know europe has "toast" but that's basically like a normal loaf of bread but it's meant for toasting. their bread is usually fancier?

[deft stump]

Shrugs.

[marble crater]

This is bread

[sudden willow]

put this in a toaster

[sudden willow]

you get this

[marble crater]

No

[fiery stratus]

wait

[marble crater]

You don't put bread in a toaster

[fiery stratus]

who puts ketchup on bread

[marble crater]

You put toast in the toaster

[sudden willow]

you're european i'm guessing?

[wooden sand]

Where is the breader then?

[marble crater]

Bread, butter, Bratwurst, ketchup, trust me

[fiery stratus]

thats the person that coats the chicken with breading before frying

[marble crater]

German, yes

[fiery stratus]

buttered sausage

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4iGpsHaPh8Q

[deft stump]

Extra oily?

[sudden willow]

makes sense. what you call toast, we call bread. kinda the same thing.

but toast only becomes toast, when it's toasted.

fries only become fries, when they're fried

otherwise they're just cut taters

and no, chips aren't chipped

[marble crater]

Nah, we specifically have toast that's supposed to be toasted and actual bread for not toasting

[sudden willow]

Your toast may differ slightly somehow from our loaves, but not significantly that I could tell.

it was basically a loaf of white breadd

[marble crater]

If I asked someone to buy me a bread and they brought me toast, I would cry

[steel flame]

nah, thats the secret, i can max my peril out instantly with my special for my shout

and it staggers everything too

[fiery stratus]

https://tenor.com/view/bipolar-im-always-angry-incredible-hulk-hulk-mark-ruffalo-gif-5678779

[deft stump]

Just dump kaya and butter on it.

[fiery stratus]

just turn it into breadcrumbs and make a different dish entirely

[steel flame]

so i can constantly spam slash, stay at 100 so i always have max cleave, crack of bone instantly quells enough to slash again, get in, set stuff on fire, special shout, everything dies

and fire and slash are constantly filling my toughness as fast as i lose it

[jovial juniper]

Why's the glizzy neutral

😭

[sudden willow]

I am but the messenger

[steel flame]

here is the auric maelstrom i just did with the build

sadly the last guy left right before the scorecard at the end so i couldnt get the full mission stats

this was all the sword and shout, the staff was just boss damage

i will say tho, this build entirely hinges on my fgs having 22% peril resist

[patent mango]

what the hel

[steel flame]

its amazing

this is the wierd ass baller shit ive been hunting for

the fire kills actually charge the sword

[prime elk]

Does it? I never noticed

[fringe garden]

Anything that dies after being touched by a sword swing charges the sword, I believe

So if you hit it with the sword and it dies to your shout it should charge the sword. Same if an ally finishes off an enemy you've hit

[steel flame]

Yup

[crude cape]

what model on new 2h sword do you guys like?

and perks/blessings

[deft stump]

mk6 is better.

[prime elk]

Oh nice

[prime elk]

Mk8 is better

[deft stump]

But you are starting WW7 by asking it.

[dusty temple]

I like the Mk VIII the most, the other variant has more damage on its heavy attacks, but they're just slightly too slow for me.

[broken carbon]

both are very good

[earnest sand]

Both marks solid I personally enjoy mk8 mk6 feels easier to use if just chilling killing

[broken carbon]

i personally run precog riposte

[crude cape]

lmao the double opposite replies wow

guess it will be a both are viable decide for myself thing, gotcha

[prime elk]

Tells you both marks are pretty good lol

[crude cape]

i like that they've been better about that with the new weapons

unlike things like the DS, combat axes etc which have a clear winner

[deft stump]

I mean, if you ask Zealots about the relic, you get the exact same thing more or less.

[crude cape]

ya relic sword both are good

its a feel thing

[earnest sand]

Most the blessing combos are solid too tbh

[crude cape]

i even go back and forth which i like lol

[deft stump]

Is more, which feels better for you.

[crude cape]

great reference

i had mine with shred and unstable power

how does warp slice work exactly

[broken carbon]

every 15 seconds, the special wave is a crit

[earnest sand]

Sadly it doesn't proc blazing 😦

[crude cape]

oh the wave itself ok

[steel flame]

i prefer mk6 but for my melee fire build the mk8 is the better one

[crude cape]

how hard are they to use, and how hard is solo clutching, or dueling a boss etc with them?

[broken carbon]

they’re pretty easy to use

simple combos

[earnest sand]

Just mobility struggle slightly if anything

[broken carbon]

they have solid mobility, not bad to the level of say

thunder hammer

[deft stump]

Not slightly if you come from the normal FS.

[broken carbon]

its plenty fine mobility

[crude cape]

whats horde clear combo on MK 6/

[broken carbon]

light spam

[crude cape]

ya thats what i was seeing, feels meh

[deft stump]

It's REALLY simple.

[broken carbon]

i think you have a sweep heavy on h3?

as in

from light combo

i think it’s 3 lights then heavy

to get the sweep heavy

[crude cape]

ya its a up to down diagonal

[earnest sand]

Try both mk out and see which you like better. not really a wrong choice

[crude cape]

hmm mk VIII feels more natural

but the poke is only with the push atk which is harder bc of the 2 stager

[earnest sand]

Maybe one day warpslice will proc blazing and then I can light up the whole map

[steel flame]

6 has a much higher damage cap, both horde clear and heavy killing

[earnest sand]

The mk8 push attack has very high DMG

[crude cape]

oh like, multiple target cap on dmg of enemies in 1 swing?

[steel flame]

but for horde clear you need to block cancel after your l2 and it loops back into l1

[fringe garden]

I actually like the push poke combo

[crude cape]

kinda like the evis models one having a 4 target limit and the other having higher on its heavies

[fringe garden]

Especially after I learned that the push can be done from just a ridiculous range

You can push someone down 20 feet in front of you

The second stage of the push, anyway

[steel flame]

no it just does more damage all around to both hordes and heavy enemies

its just a bit more complicated with its combos

[fringe garden]

So I'll slide up to a big target and start pushing from a distance, it'll stagger em back, by the time I close the distance the poke is going off in their face. Very fun

[steel flame]

where as the 8 does less damage overall but you just heavy or you just light

[crude cape]

those light spams ont he MK6 feel real wack ngl

[ocean totem]

Did I not shoot the dog?

[crude cape]

i hate the moveset

but i like its heavies

and dmg

[steel flame]

for?

yeah for the 6 you do l1, l2, block cancel, repeat and it fucking shreds everything

[crude cape]

they're like not horizontal at all tho lmao

[steel flame]

and then the heavies 2 tap everything else, can even 1 tap crushers with the stab when you are all charged up

[prime elk]

Nah

[fringe garden]

I've delt like 6.5k damage in a single poke with the mk8

[steel flame]

yup

for everything except the push attack poke the 6 has better damage output

[fringe garden]

6.7k actually*

[crude cape]

now how do they do in a melee focused skriers build with a gun

[fringe garden]

The mark choice for the FGS is 100% personal preference

[earnest sand]

Very good

[fringe garden]

Whichever feels better to you and how you play

[steel flame]

but alot of people still prefer the 8 cause the combos are just linear loops you dont need to block cancel for

[fringe garden]

FGS has phenomenal weakspot and crit damage

so SG and DD make it's damage go sky high

I haven't taken DD off since the FGS came out just because it's so good with it

I rarely take SG, though, just because the bubble is so necessary for clutch/carry

[earnest sand]

I mainly mess with venting but I like unstable and edging a lot.

[crude cape]

is empyric resolve worth it btw?
I know the rending node is broken, but do people still take it bc they dont want the 30% toughness nerf?

[fringe garden]

ER depends. If you avoid damage enough it's fine

But the toughness generation can kill you if you aren't a good defensive player

[crude cape]

ok ty

[ocean totem]

@broken carbon

I run shred too

My goal is to get 60% crit chance

[crude cape]

looking at this build, if i were to drop kinetic deflection and also bubble, and swap to vent but leave eveyrthing else mostly the same, seems good?
or is vent + warp siphon not great
plan was greatsword + inferno or trauma staff

[fringe garden]

ER also makes taking any of the talents/blessings that scale with total Peril more difficult to use in some ways. It kind of depends. If you're good at edging peril and keeping it from bleeding away in between engagements it's fine. If you're constantly having to build your peril back up to 75%+ then it's probably wise to not take those kinds of talents/blessings.

Vent and Warp Siphon normally go hand in hand

They are complimentary

Vent shines when you can spam it as often as possible

And siphon gives CD reduction

[broken carbon]

wdym 60? you should be constantly reaching 80% in combat

[broken carbon]

also yeah this stinks bad

[crude cape]

ok so something like this?

i like kinetic deflection but feel like i can't afford it

[fringe garden]

What ranged weapon are you using?

[crude cape]

this for now, but i need to make a trauma with the new system i like too typically (neglected my psyker for a while, since crafting update or before)

[ocean totem]

Yes I do but the goal was 60 anyways what do you think of the build

[broken carbon]

it’s bad

really really bad

[ocean totem]

Sob

Why

[broken carbon]

immo grenades are stinky

[ocean totem]

It’s fun 😔

What should I use instead

[broken carbon]

taking a modifier for chorus instead of faithful frenzy is not good

chorus mods are bad

[broken carbon]

tknives

shred perfect strike, flak elites

on the evis

[fringe garden]

You could probably lose Battle Meditation. Inferno doesn't really generate peril too crazily and you have the increased quell speed talent

[crude cape]

throwing knife is not only the most fun blitz on zealot but the overall best when used right. if you dont like them tho then i get it i have a friend who is like a 300 lvl zealot doesn't like them

[crude cape]

would that change if i was using trauma

sorry idk the new name yet

[fringe garden]

Yeah, Trauma is a peril whore

[crude cape]

i could drop battle mediation + essence harvest for kinetic deflection.
but is that worth it?

5% crit chance too i get

[fringe garden]

Yeah

[crude cape]

ok, i can also experiment with those last couple points see what feels best

[fringe garden]

Essence harvest is pretty great, too, but that crit is very useful

Especially with inferno

[broken carbon]

taking tknives also frees up points for sustained assault, or TWBS, both of which would be very good

[crude cape]

last question for now and imma craft this thing and jam some games.
this is my old trauma before the crafting update
im sure its fine, but whats dump stat now?

and are people doing the blazing trauma thing? i never liked losing warp flurry it casts so slow

[fringe garden]

crits apply an extra stack of the flame dot, just in case you didn't know

blaze trauma is still a thing

Exclusively on harder difficulties, though

Heresy and under don't really have the density of tough enemies to make it worthwhile

[broken carbon]

twbs helps with evis for avoiding interrupt while sawing

[crude cape]

i play only auric maelstrom + typically

have true survivor etc

[fringe garden]

Ah yeah, then you're groovy

[broken carbon]

sustained assault is good for damage

though if you want you could take desperation along with whatever you choose for more damage

[wet charm]

Squeak (Traditionally, the dump stat is warp resistance, however rat likes blast radius as the dump stat)

[crude cape]

so i want blazing + warp nexus, no flurry for cast speed?
always felt chunky to me/slow but ill try it

in high havocs i feel like the rending shockwave would be quite good on armor waves that happen

[wet charm]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9df8cf62-74bb-407a-b6ab-b942ad63597d/the-best-psyker-build-rats-trauma-psyker

[fringe garden]

Either can work

the idea with the blazing is that it gives you better horde clear, really

[muted grove]

Trying this just for the thumbnail

[crude cape]

i like that you run warp flurry/rending

ill have to try both ways

[wet charm]

Squeak (This is one way you can play trauma. It is hard to learn but the pay off is that you will be able to carry every game once mastered)

[fringe garden]

I'm a big fan of flurry on both Voidblast and Voidstrike.

[wet charm]

Squeak (watch the video at the bottom for reference to see it all come together)

[radiant frigate]

extremely ratty build

[wet charm]

Squeak (haha thank you. Rat must credit edith for making it)

[wet charm]

Squeak (yus both are key for how rat plays)

[noble mason]

RAT!

[muted grove]

Why do you put trauma over purg or elektric? Purg has good stagger and I think electro does too, I’m just trying to figure out what trauma does better than the other staves (I am a noob)

[radiant frigate]

purg does not stop crushers/bulwarks/ragers

trauma stops anything smaller than a boss

[muted grove]

Oh no way that’s awesome

Is there anything else

[deft stump]

Is just ungodly hard/annoying to aim.

[wet charm]

Squeak (what kat said) :3

Squeak (trauma is in rats opinion, THE best weapon in the game)

Squeak (rats guide explains it much more in depth, but rat values being able stagger and control hoards much more than the damage/hoard clear of purgatus)

[radiant frigate]

meow (i agree with rat but i also think it would cut too much into my melee time) (perhaps personal skill issue)

[muted grove]

Would you say this is made better or worse on controller

[strong gulch]

Trauma is your best bet for mixed hordes. Purg falls apart on it's own with crushers. Also, in high havocs the enemy density paired with some of the modifiers can allow those enemies to more easily run up on you. So trauma offers more safety.

[strong gulch]

Ask @marble crater

[wet charm]

Squeak (another thing which the guide mentions is that you will do a lot more damage with trauma than with melee)

[muted grove]

Rat, consider me a convert

[wet charm]

Squeak (so rat actually tries to minimise melee time as that time can be better used spamming trauma and staggering/hoard clearing)

[muted grove]

I used trauma a long time ago before they updated the game and hated it but now that I know how to play I am excited to give it another try

[wet charm]

Squeak (ah, unfortunately rat wouldnt recommend this playstyle for controller)

[strong gulch]

Trauma was till good before crafting update, BUT it has really demanding build requirements. It really shouldn't be the first staff that is unlocked.

[wet charm]

Squeak (rat plays very reactively and the controller simply would t be able to keep up with rats inputs and especially not with how rat flicks around)

[strong gulch]

Try it on controller. I know people who play controller and trauma.

[wet charm]

Squeak (as with all things, it just takes practice. It is second nature now to rat but that is coming from someone who has mained it for 1000+ hours. So rat is slightly biased) ;D

[deft stump]

Opinion? I accidentally forgot to remove it and played meleeker for a run.

Illisi my old friend.

[broken carbon]

target cap when…

[wet charm]

Squeak (hopefully never) ._.

Squeak (but rat does recognise that that specific trait makes the weapon a bit op)

[deft stump]

But is still better to get better at what you like and enjoy though.

[broken carbon]

not a bit

it’s like

extremely strong

all infinite cleave weapons are

because they bypass a whole mechanic of the game

[wet charm]

Squeak (haha yus, rat was understating it)

[wet charm]

Squeak (exactly and rat has fallen in love with this playstyle)

[broken carbon]

me trying to melee as zealot watching the trauma staff FGS psyker delete the entire room in 2 button presses

(the psyker will now wonder why i’m running ahead)

[deft stump]

Is why I just like my 'nade vet and if I play psyker, is strike or EK nonsense unless I'm falling asleep, then you get Assail gaming.

[brazen rampart]

Gunker is fair and balanced...

Huntock was a ds4 recon vet, Kalise was a relic blade revolver zealout, Daynogg was a karsolas heavy stubber ogryn. All three of them had proper builds.

[marble crater]

Same? You just need to get used to it really, think of it like aiming a grenade launcher.
Psyker in general is really controller friendly, most of the staves either have big aoe or the literally aim for you. There are some things like quell canceling or similar things that are more difficult or almost impossible to do, but you also never ever have to actually do them to clear the highest difficulty in the game

[buoyant maple]

I never knew u were playing on controller

[analog agate]

EK staff is insanely good but it still doesn’t top VB for overall dependability

[marble crater]

You never asked

[deft stump]

I thought discord screams about it.

[marble crater]

EK if you feel like running and gunning, at least that's when I use it.
I have no objective tests, but I feel more mobile

[deft stump]

You playing atm?

[vernal temple]

Wound curio and Crystalline Will

[marble crater]

Me? I was, going to bed now

[marble crater]

Martyrdom suicide psyker build

[wet charm]

Squeak (haha thats usually the first thing people comment about)

[strong gulch]

Unlucky for some giving yellow toughness and working crystalline will when??

[deft stump]

Poke me to play wehhhhhhh I just don't have the mood to pug tbh.

[blissful solar]

we need to find a meme gif that is relatable to psyker gameplay and put the text "psyker gameplay" on that image

each chat should have one

[vernal temple]

and Blast Radius as the dump stat

[wet charm]

Squeak (it is contentious for traditional builds as you can manage your peril a lot easier. But rat finds that the way rat plays, which is super spammy, reactively and fast, often times rat explodes)

Squeak (and when that happens it is often in a high intensity situation which often leaves to a wipe)

[marble crater]

I'm not asking anyone to play, if I'm just doing one quick mission. Seems pointless

[wet charm]

Squeak its personal preference, but watch the video at the end of the guide and you will be able to see why rat takes them)

[marble crater]

Either exploding, or dying to poxwalkers after killing 20 ragers without breaking toughness

[thorn cedar]

personally i stopped exploding as soon as i gave up warp unbound lmao

stupid ass glitchy ass dumb ass ability rn

[deft stump]

Oh.

[narrow herald]

Squeak (The FitnessGram PACER Test is a multistage aerobic capacity test that progressively gets more difficult as it continues. The test is used to measure a student's aerobic capacity as part of the FitnessGram assessment. Students run back and forth as many times as they can, each lap signaled by a beep sound. The test get progressively faster as it continues until the student reaches their max lap score.)

[blissful solar]

https://tenor.com/view/dr-manhattan-gif-18899941

[thorn cedar]

hope they do fix it because it has very juicy potential but the current implementation is such dog

[deft stump]

How hard is it to have it just on the whole time when Gaze is running, grace period and the after effect is running?

[wind spruce]

Do orckas squeak?

[thorn cedar]

like yea that's one solution

my question is just

[narrow herald]

Yes

[thorn cedar]

the fucken grace period is 100% reliable

so why isnt warp unbound

[narrow herald]

Whales have a much larger vocal range

[thorn cedar]

what did they do differently

and why did they do it differently

[blissful solar]

click and whale call (squeak(honk(woof(arf(hi)))))

[thorn cedar]

i cant understand lmao

[narrow herald]

Yeah it's kinda hard to write what whales say

Because 50% of their range humans can't even hear

[jovial juniper]

https://tenor.com/view/gojira-paris2024-metal-gif-3169034058129258194

[vernal temple]

https://tenor.com/view/martian-head-explode-alien-banging-gif-14315862

[narrow herald]

The day we can translate whales is the day we will transcend as a species

[thorn cedar]

"oh my god they're worse than twitch chat"

[narrow herald]

Truuu

Imagine if whales and humans worked together

https://youtu.be/ysiFDAAInrU?si=dGgjhJy6-4uP9gev

[deft stump]

Eh, don't some whales save humans from drowning already?

[vagrant onyx]

Gojira

[jovial juniper]

whale noises

[narrow herald]

Posadists rise up ☝️

👽 🐬 ☢️

[zinc phoenix]

Mars Attacks, such a classic

[thorn cedar]

ack ack

[strong gulch]

gum

jack black as a buff meat head

wild tbh

[thorn cedar]

and directed by tim burton of all things

[strong gulch]

wild all around

[thorn cedar]

check out the cast list too

[strong gulch]

WTF, some of these I don't remember at all. Maybe a I should watch the movie again.

[errant pawn]

small q, Any weapon changes since December 5th?

Just hopping back in and things feel different.. could be my imagination

[strong gulch]

We got a new carnival map, crash fixes, etc.

No major changes since havocs.

There is an ogryn event happening right now.

[muted grove]

whats the dujmp stat for trauma staff

radius?

[narrow herald]

WR

[errant pawn]

thank you!

[strong gulch]

By since havocs, I'm also including strafing gunners.

[narrow herald]

Tbh all staves it's WR, I think there is a specific trauma build where u dump quell but I don't remember

[strong gulch]

The exception is voidstrike dumping blast radius.

There is LMB/ primary spam surge/ EK build that dumps charge rate. I don't play that, so idk about the ins and outs of it.

[analog agate]

@wet charm I have been toying with weapon swap canceling over regular ol quell canceling on VB. I do like it better

[maiden oracle]

What do you think about dropping kinetic flayer and brain burst for smite in havocs

[loud rain]

any have a good build for FGS?

[maiden oracle]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9df889cb-3b31-4432-99d0-190de01dc205/i-cast-physical-slash?utm_medium=website&utm_source=gameslantern&utm_campaign=share_button

[loud rain]

thanks

[thorn cedar]

depends on your secondary

or your psychological resilience against the feeling of being completely dickless against ranged enemies

[maiden oracle]

Personally I would drop a couple talents for warp rider and cruel fortune

[maiden oracle]

Flame staff

So I have 0 way of taking care of distant targets

[thorn cedar]

follow up question is what that one saved talent/taking smite is doing for you then

cause the overlap of roles between flame/trauma and smite is basically 1:1

[maiden oracle]

True

Flame staff looks like it already shits out enough stagger by itself

[thorn cedar]

and ludicrous suppression

[maiden oracle]

I just saw a lot of people taking smite into havoc

Wondered if I was doing something wrong

[thorn cedar]

could be them fucking up tbh lmao

but i dont have their trees/gameplay/whatever in front of us

like BB already lets you take PA so, thats w/e

which means you can now access MM and MiM

[analog agate]

take smite if you take venting shriek. Otherwise.... just take VB or inferno

[thorn cedar]

and i do love Mind in Motion but i can readily admit that as a staff psyker, there's no purpose

in havocs anyway

[brazen rampart]

For havocs, you take smite with scriers as a dps role and you grab warp unbound for 10s of free smite.

[thorn cedar]

and MM also sort of falls flat af

[brazen rampart]

Otherwise I would just stick with bb and purg.

[thorn cedar]

you're mostly just hard casting in the backline and occasionally breaking out the melee to reposition or block

[loud rain]

many thanks

[scarlet umbra]

Classic Narukami W

[strong gulch]

What Exploits said. Smite has too much overlap with purg/ inferno or trauma/ voidblast.

[maiden oracle]

Good stuff I now have enough info to respond with requests for smite with informational death threats

[thorn cedar]

what would u take tho

with that one saved talent from KF

[maiden oracle]

Dunno

Haven’t remembered psykers tree yet

[thorn cedar]

cause you can just

not take KF

i dont

[maiden oracle]

Actually I don’t remember any of the talent trees

[thorn cedar]

is ur head ok

[maiden oracle]

I can just barely remember blitz ability and keystone

I have bad memory

[thorn cedar]

i see

[maiden oracle]

It is what it is

[thorn cedar]

ive played too much, this shit is in my dreams

but yea you can still move that talent to something else

[maiden oracle]

When I used to play Minecraft with my friends the chat log was filled with me repeatedly asking for base coordinates because I would forget the coordinates and then forget I already asked for the coordinates

[thorn cedar]

lmao

[maiden oracle]

Funny as hell to this day no one knows if I was serious or if it was a bit and I can’t even remember myself

[thorn cedar]

me with my friends who cant navigate even with an IRL GPS

back when we did Valheim

[wispy bay]

I see too many people run smite in Havoc and fail.

[strong gulch]

Me in my own house with labled light switches and still fecking it up.

[wispy bay]

It just doesn't have enough damage and there is a limited number of target that it can stun.

[thorn cedar]

incorrect

on the second part anyway

semi agree on the first half but im still firmly of the opinion that the damage never mattered anyway

[strong gulch]

Smite, especially EP smite, scales with enemy density which havoc has. (unless the spawns break lmao)

[thorn cedar]

there's no limit to the amount of targets smite can hit, the reason things can seem to slip through is because it chooses its targets randomly as it perpetuates outwards and there's nothing saying it 'has to' pick the closest non-stunned target or anything like that

[latent hill]

Who would use EP smite in havoc exactly…?

[thorn cedar]

90% of the player base

[strong gulch]

Whoever uses it.

[thorn cedar]

im still very slowly getting through the "help other people havoc" penances

and i am not picky for level

you see funny stuff

id wager 50% of all the psykers i see swap to a smite build if someone else has bubble

and some just do smite regardless

(the trick is i wasnt using bubble but wall all along 😎 )

[strong gulch]

Yeah. If there are multiple psykers, you're tired of running the same shit, it's lower havocs, etc

Be goofy as long as you can complete the mission.

[analog agate]

Yeah. A majority are using bubble/inferno/smite. And only ever using smite

[latent hill]

Personally I prefer warp charges

[thorn cedar]

genuinely think EP is just bad in general

not to the point of being unusable or anything that extreme

just in terms of opportunity cost

[strong gulch]

Yeah, it needs* a change.

Or just removed.

[thorn cedar]

very hard to justify buffing only my blitz vs. all the other insane shit warp charges and DD provide

even EP Assail gets wildly outclassed by DD

the only benefit is the free charges and baked in additional cleave

[strong gulch]

Ye. DD benefiting your whole kit makes EP a silly choice.

[maiden oracle]

I’m a simple man I see another psyker flame bubble I swap to melee psyker with dbs

[thorn cedar]

ur doin da lords work

[strong gulch]

I will say that I have been enjoying EP BB, but even then it falls short in a competent team.

[maiden oracle]

They hold the back I remove the front

Call that shit a spitroast

[thorn cedar]

its very fun to drop two walls and EP BB machine gun

[strong gulch]

with blue stim is funny

[thorn cedar]

but thats two ult charges for a whopping ten whole seconds of ALMOST SORTA competitive damage lmao

quite rough to say the least

[maiden oracle]

Would you use blue or red stim with flame staff

[thorn cedar]

red

[strong gulch]

Hope for maps that have super long line of sight and kill things before the team can.

[thorn cedar]

ugh this guide is so wordy

anyway blue quickens your output, which is still good

but red gives you extra damage and, most importantly, 25% rending

along with a 33% reduced peril gen

[maiden oracle]

Beautiful

[thorn cedar]

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3318538305

[maiden oracle]

Red it is

[thorn cedar]

blue has a bunch of psyker only effects

its kinda silly

[buoyant maple]

blue is very strong
just not really for psyker

[thorn cedar]

specifically for BB its 'the best'

[buoyant maple]

on veteran, zealot and ogryn
blue can reach higher dps than red, while giving a bunch of other benefits

[thorn cedar]

... but very much specifically

[strong gulch]

Blue stim is fun on flurry trauma.

[thorn cedar]

the real trick is to have all your teammates stick you with all the needles at once

[buoyant maple]

u can only have 1 stim effect active at a time

[thorn cedar]

I SAID WHAT I SAID

GIMME THE DRUGS

AAAAA POWER

[strong gulch]

It'd be funny if we explode or something from too many stims at once.

[buoyant maple]

they should add an easter egg where every time psyker is administered a stim there's 0.01% chance they immediately go into peril

go big or go home

[patent jacinth]

The psyker player in the finale of an H40 true solo:

[buoyant maple]

hell yea

[patent jacinth]

Hearing the Bruiser/Shooter line apon seeing that

The Rot Consumes™️

[latent hill]

Lord… I need to upgrade my voidblast staff.

If I’m gonna use it for havoc

[muted grove]

Holy moly I see what you mean

It’s not impossible at all but the techs are a lot, rat idk how your brain doesn’t overheat I am really impressed how easy you make it look in the video lol

[analog agate]

You definitely need a controller with back buttons for quell canceling

[thorn cedar]

start with one task

master it

add in another task

master both

repeat

it starts with fucking up a lot

[steel flame]

gotta say, my new fire fgs build fuckin shreds havoc 40

tickles me pink how fucking bizzare it is

[latent hill]

What’s a rogue skaven doing here?

[steel flame]

@wet charm yo rat i got a funny wierd adhd force great sword build you would probably enjoy

[fathom adder]

Post it already you tease

[steel flame]

its a melee build that deal more ranged damage than melee damage

[patent jacinth]

This is gross

[steel flame]

its my greatest creation

[patent jacinth]

Also that FGS kinda sucks, Blazing doesn't do anything for it

[steel flame]

hehe thats what you think

[patent jacinth]

With evidence, yes

Its not like Trauma where it hits an entire block away from the actual circle, it only affects stuff you hit

And if you crit something with that, they are already dead

[pine shore]

blazing spirit fgs

boooo

[patent jacinth]

Also no keystone on psyker is wack

[thorn cedar]

yea i saw this earlier actually

it made me put my phone away and go back to work

it was kinda upsetting idk

[steel flame]

its by far my new favorite psyker build

[thorn cedar]

lmao

[steel flame]

unironically

[thorn cedar]

my one

suggestion

dumping that uh

crit blaze talent thing

the 5% crit and toughness

for mind in motion

just because it would really anger a lot more people

[pine shore]

Why are you using blazing spirit

What does it even do

[thorn cedar]

it spirits blazes

[fathom adder]

A little trolling

[latent hill]

Jesus fucking Christ only now I just realized, why tf did I have the soulblaze warp charge instead of the coherency one…?

[snow bone]

Darktide players when your Bafoinkle Charge on your Emperor's Frunkle Gun isn't in the top 1% of perfection

[sturdy reef]

melee psyker with quick swapping to smite is kinda fun

[steel flame]

why would i make a fire build with crit talents and not use a flaming greatsword

duh

[vagrant onyx]

Id fight on a hill with this if blazing spirit applied to the force wave when the wave crits

[vagrant onyx]

Wouldn't you get more out of scriers since it gives more crit and damage too, let's you take warp rider which all helps blaze dot

The fgs roll is kind of insane for 2 activation -> +6 venting though

[prime elk]

that's what sane fgs users run

[steel flame]

no then im not getting 10-18 soulblaze on the whole map 😛

[vagrant onyx]

I honestly see the vision I wanted to mess with blazing spirit just for bon solos

I don't want to spend ammo on them sometimes and id rather a gun than a staff but melee isn't safe for long periods of time when there's other stuff going on

[steel flame]

because my fgs has 22% warp resist it gens 50% peril on each activation so i can instantly get max peril for shout whevever i want

[vagrant onyx]

Downtime on vent is gonna be high though without warp charges

I guess the only actual question is what do you do about distant gunners and snipers

[wet charm]

Squeak! (Thats great! Rat thinks it is a much better and faster way to do it and you will end up with faster animation cancels)

[wet charm]

squeak 😦

[wet charm]

squeak (simply just a lot of practice and muscle memory. Rat is not special, with enough practice anyone can do it) ;D

[wet charm]

.0.

squeak (unfortunately rat doesnt have much experience with the fgs, as it isnt fast enough for rat)

squeak (but perhaps rat will try it more one day)

[analog agate]

Carried hard a 22 chasm Logistratum with EK/venting shriek. 2 zealots 1 vet. No beacon. Was blight/cranial.

I was try harding so hard. Gunners are nasty. One mistake, even with light 1, and you are done.

[thorn cedar]

feels weird going back out of havocs to regular shooters

youre beating them up like youre taking out your personal traumas on a bunch of school kids

[prime elk]

yeah feels pretty weird doing it in a video game and not IRL

[thorn cedar]

have graphics come too far?

[blissful solar]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/544034067855966230/1332211601096314930/oWYSI8r.gif

[sturdy reef]

still lost.

I basically played full melee

[analog agate]

Oof. Yeah, I had another game like that today. Also, that map is the hardest for me

[sturdy reef]

so many fucking gunners and reapers

[wispy bay]

It is 2nd hardest, after Glorianna.

At least in Logistratum, you can't get threw out of bound for 80% of the game.

[sturdy reef]

FS please release this chestpiece. Need the fashion

[analog agate]

I now also finally hit havoc exemplar. I can just stick to chilling to aurics/maels

[thorn cedar]

im starting to think about warp slice

[torn kernel]

if it worked with that one SB on crit blessing it'd be poggers

rn it's just kinda crap ngl

[thorn cedar]

itd still be crap

[sturdy reef]

doesnt it have an internal cd

lol

[torn kernel]

more memeable tho

[sturdy reef]

so dumb

[thorn cedar]

that cooldown kills it yeah

but what kind of funny

could you pull off

if you say

had 30 stacks of precog scriers

and 25 stacks of dd

and all that other good shit

[torn kernel]

hell yeah lol

[thorn cedar]

my brain says 4k probably

but im sleepy

if penetration of the soul worked

i believe this would saw a Crusher in half

[sturdy reef]

would def need to run by crack of bone

also I am enjoying my melee psyker build

even though I almost never use the smite lol

[broken carbon]

smite exists for pathing

it is not a real blitz

it was made up by the woke mob

to sell more lightning

[stark crown]

Me thinks the melee heavy node should be buffed cause its useless...

[sturdy reef]

they're turning the psykers blank

[broken carbon]

80 more damage over time

it’s so good wdym

[stark crown]

So true hits

0 BPs with everything!

truly the most peak node on Smite even though its a really fucking cool concept and I wish it was more interesting

[sturdy reef]

scale it based on peril

[potent echo]

It's a infinite% more damage increase on targets cleaved but not damaged!!!!

[broken carbon]

it’d be neat if u killed an enemy with a heavy

they’d explode out into electricity

and deal a light force stagger to a couple nearby enemies

[stark crown]

I was thinking they either change how it effects or

Melee heavies have like a 50% Chance to Smite stun for like

idfk 2 seconds?

Thats a spitball probably need to nerf it

cause thats pretty strong actually lmao

Could give Psyker some insane Crowd Control with just melee alone without needing to use smite at all

[potent echo]

Fully charged attacks spread small smites

Anything to make duelling sword even stronger

[broken carbon]

frown

[stark crown]

Im not fond of smite at all I dont like how it is by itself but I do like the idea of

being rewarded for actively participating in melee

as Psyker

[broken carbon]

smite should be murdered and replaced with molten beam

[potent echo]

Yes

[broken carbon]

and then just copy and paste that molten beam

give it ammo

and now you have a melta

and now the zealots and the psykers are happy

[sturdy reef]

just nerf DS carapace damage

[potent echo]

Remove uncanny

[sturdy reef]

mebbe maniac/unyielding

[broken carbon]

nerf uncanny into like

[potent echo]

That's all you need

[broken carbon]

20-40%

max

[sturdy reef]

I wouldnt mind that

the rending is too strong

[broken carbon]

buff opportunist to 50%

[potent echo]

Imagine if ogryn clubs had uncanny haha

[broken carbon]

so it’s actually good

[potent echo]

It's over atoma

[stark crown]

Zealots frown

[sturdy reef]

clubs

imagine if pickaxes had it

mk1 bully club 3 cleave btw

[stark crown]

remove rending all together

[broken carbon]

i don’t mind rending, but almost all sources of it are far too high

if rending were to be removed, there’d need to be a major rebalancing patch

[sturdy reef]

POTS isnt that much rending compared to its requirement

if only it worked

vet just gets the same 10% for free

[broken carbon]

balanced

btw

40 more unconditional buffs to vet!

[sturdy reef]

lol

I run my ES build keystoneless so I can grab onslaught and +10% rending

throw on shock trooper and recon MKVIC

very balanced

[stark crown]

Ogryn clicking once and getting 30% toughness free as well never forget that

[mossy oyster]

nerf uncanny
me 1 shotting with precog riposte piety or SG dueling sword

lol

[sturdy reef]

also desperado is just pure money for vet

[mossy oyster]

lmao even

[sturdy reef]

the weapon itself needs the nerf too

imo

not just uncanny

pretty much just the MKIV since it has linked heavy stabs

I think the other 2 marks are fine

[potent echo]

Using precog is a form of punishment so it's kinda balanced

[mossy oyster]

psyker chat really is on the precog is bad propaganda

though not surprising considering shitkers suck at melee

[stark crown]

Lmao

[mossy oyster]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[potent echo]

Yes that's me I only use smite

[mossy oyster]

wait

I have to get in melee and dodge.......

to activate something...

https://tenor.com/view/darktide-40k-psyker-explode-perils-gif-10586129510772702813

[potent echo]

My dodge is bound to S

And I never back down

[mossy oyster]

real

[buoyant maple]

rip framerate

[mental grail]

I just use other weapons than ds

and on those precog is just suboptimal

[sturdy reef]

I only use the force swords on psyker

[radiant frigate]

precog SUCKS

[maiden oracle]

i ran unstable precog on fgs

[sturdy reef]

I kinda like obscurus

[maiden oracle]

was told that shred unstable was a good one too

[radiant frigate]

a measly 2s on dodge? vile

[vernal frost]

that sounds like irony ngl........

[sturdy reef]

too bad its still meh against carapace

[vernal frost]

so true........ after i dodge i run away so that the assailant doesnt get the chance to hit me while im switching to smite.............

[maiden oracle]

do you bother doing a push attack stab if it wont kill or do you just chain heavy attacks at tha tpoint

[mental grail]

slaughterer + unstable

for fgs

[prime elk]

it wrecks crushers

[mental grail]

kino for me

[blissful solar]

@vernal frost and then it also seems like it's generally more stable in motion with frame generation

obv this is not cyberpunk so hopefully you didnt need it to be cyberpunk :v

[vernal frost]

oh yeah this looks good

[blissful solar]

might not actually be a fair comparison since the servitor moves around tho

[autumn lark]

One day darktide raytracing will work without the game shitting itself

[vernal frost]

can you ss something transparent

saw that they also made improvements on that

esp on moving transparent parts

[tranquil sluice]

Psykinetic aura makes it so assail is a complete no-go at havoc right?

or am i overestimating aura

[vernal frost]

i mean you can run havoc 40 with 4 ogryns

question is do you want to

[tranquil sluice]

and a pro can solo havoc 40 with 8-player spawns im sure, that's not the question.

it's a huge gimp to the team if any psyker go assail no?

[autumn lark]

https://tenor.com/view/ishowspeed-try-not-to-laugh-gif-7682731162751353849

[sturdy reef]

PA helps quite a bit but it isnt strictly needed

[tranquil sluice]

are there good soulblaze builds without inferno staff?

[sturdy reef]

enemy increased mass on havok also means assail has a harder time cleaving

[tranquil sluice]

is +cleave% an especially important stat in havoc?

depending on weapon presumably

[wind spruce]

The only "soulblaze builds" are inferno and blazing spirit voidblast

[vernal frost]

shriek smite is technically a soulblaze build

considering how smite procs perilous combustion o ntargets that die from soulblaze

[plucky flax]

Yeah surge and f spam.

[blissful solar]

i dont really notice anything either way with a dome shield. i dont really think darktide transparency is very advancedd though

[wind spruce]

That's just psyker things

[tranquil sluice]

what's surge

[vernal frost]

that's not really what i meant, i was talking more like the mourningstar hub

[plucky flax]

The lost and forgotten staff.

[vernal frost]

the big green hive

[plucky flax]

Extremely rare and forbidden.

(Electrokinetic )

[verbal thistle]

I saw a surge once

[strong gulch]

Surge is the old name for EK/ electro staff.

[plucky flax]

I play surge surge for double lighning proc it's op.

[tranquil sluice]

yeah that staff seemed shit when i tried

[plucky flax]

Ooof

[verbal thistle]

F

[strong gulch]

Surge is a blessing tho

[plucky flax]

Bro held nothing back.

[wind spruce]

Only top 1% psykers can use surge staff

[strong gulch]

Surge + shriek spam is strong

[plucky flax]

Only unsanctioned people can be gud with it

[strong gulch]

It's nice when there are multiple psykers and you get to be surge shriek spam.

It can mess up the purg (inferno) user tho.

Lucky for them that my reaction time is slow and I'm easily distracted plus I mindfully wait a moment before yelling.

[sturdy reef]

tf just happened

[verbal thistle]

my bad

[sturdy reef]

I just run SG EK so I can see how fast I can spam balls

although I dont run it very often because I do the quell cancelling manually

[blissful solar]

im just gonna go with there being no difference. im starting to wonder if im gaslighting myself in the first place, though i somewhat doubt i am taking lossless screenshots so it might be a fool's errand all along

[vernal frost]

there should be put probably darktide doesn't have enough objects that fit the criteria, on their showcase the difference in cp2077 was night and day

[blissful solar]

my current thinking is that it's my screenshots that cant tell a difference but that the transparent objects dont mean much. the green hive is barely even transparent, really

[vernal frost]

https://youtu.be/xpzufsxtZpA?t=308

[vernal frost]

are you running quality or performance btw?

[blissful solar]

quality

[wind spruce]

I mindfully shriek regardless of my peril so I get those sweet, sweet scoreboard numbers

[strong gulch]

But you could get distracted by a random broken comb on the ground and do average damage instead. 😭

Not based on a real example. (Lies)

[tranquil sluice]

only a few days ago i hailed greatsword as OP, after using rapier for a while, i now hate greatsword 😄

the ultimate is just not worth it

[upbeat kestrel]

There is no weapon called rapier in darktide

Its dueling sword

[marble crater]

New players, am I right?

[maiden oracle]

its the closest thing i can get to saltzpyres rapier

[upbeat kestrel]

Yes it is

[maiden oracle]

its not actually a rapier but ill just pretend it is

the blade is thin enough

[quartz barn]

What is this take

Fgs special not worth it?

That thing oneshots rooms

[maiden oracle]

take was so dogshit i wiped my memory and forgot to reply to it

[quartz barn]

Also ds4 is the strongest weapon so the comparison is wack anyway

[marble crater]

The strongest weapon is a psyker's mind

Ds4 can't one shot a poxwalker 30m away

[compact cargo]

Spark heads what did you feed this one?

[upbeat kestrel]

Shard of magnus

[compact cargo]

https://tenor.com/view/destroy-man-deepwoken-destroy-man-iii-fishing-fishing-season-gif-2540916610037541107

Spark head removes Atoma

[upbeat kestrel]

Some fuel rods perhaps

[tranquil sluice]

it will always be called rapier :]

[upbeat kestrel]

Only by you then

[tranquil sluice]

so be it

[wind spruce]

I always make sure my hair's perfect before I slaughter nurglites so all the random combes don't distract me

Sigvald the magnificent vibes

[marble crater]

Unless we get a weapon that's actually called rapier, everyone will know what they mean, so it doesn't really matter

[upbeat kestrel]

Highly unlikely

[tranquil sluice]

rapier is mk4

[upbeat kestrel]

We get a new weapon

[tranquil sluice]

poker

[upbeat kestrel]

No its toothpick

A deadly one at that

[devout oracle]

being used to looking at Ogryns talent tree the psyker talent tree seems overwhelming lol

[marble crater]

Only because psyker actually has multiple options

[deft stump]

Everyone else is weird one ways.

[devout oracle]

yeah for sure, just makes ogryn look like big stabba or big shoota lol, no thoughts just killing

[quartz barn]

Just so you know, no one can give any insight because you dont have ovenproof, so dmg values are inaccurate, the gear used is missing and theres no mission timer

[compact cargo]

Not mine I use ovenproofs

Just something I found digging

[quartz barn]

No downs also makes it seem like they just farmed for score lmao

[deft stump]

To be fair, fits. Oggys aren't known for complicated stuff.

[devout oracle]

[deft stump]

All guns given to them needs to be like baby's first gun in sense of how to use and durablity.

[devout oracle]

lmao

[deft stump]

I mean, have you seen what babies do to some toys?

Well, not this phone addicted gen babies anyway.

Older gen, where only old Nokia bricks even survive next to them.

I watched one fly out the window and survived the fall. Only the case shattered.

[devout oracle]

im not sure where u are goin with this but i dig it

[deft stump]

I ramble. Train goes off tracks.

[devout oracle]

i like the train mission

[subtle swift]

havent played in a while. came back and i love the new psyker great swords

what i am running on it atm

[marble crater]

Everything except blazing spirit is good
Blazing spirit on melee weapons is a meme

[devout oracle]

[subtle swift]

paired with souldrinker is pretty good

[marble crater]

Souldrinker is also not good

[wind spruce]

Everything except exactly half of the 10 blessings are any good

Shred, riposte, wrath, unstable power, deflector

[wind spruce]

No it's not. It's garbage.

Soulblaze from melee blazing spirit does almost no damage at all, and souldrinker requires* killing blows to proc

[subtle swift]

i was debating wrath

using it

[marble crater]

If you even proc the soulblaze and not outright kill everything you hit, needing crits just makes that even more likely. I don't understand why we need crits, it will only really proc on elites and then the stacks are not enough to kill the elites, so you need to hit them again and then they die while your soublaze dealt like 30 damage

[quartz barn]

Wrath unstable power my beloved

Shred is ok vs monsters, riposte depends on playstyle

Deflector isnt as useful if your positioning is good imo

[latent hill]

What’s wrath exactly?

Is that the cleave on hit?

[upbeat kestrel]

Yup

[latent hill]

I see. Well, personally I feel it’s more for stopping the horde of poxers and groaners

As a wrath user for the greatsword

[upbeat kestrel]

I dont use wrath

[latent hill]

Perfectly fine.

[upbeat kestrel]

I prefer guaranteed 4 kills if i hit the heads

[slender coyote]

Greatsword its only good for melee focused build?

[upbeat kestrel]

No

[slender coyote]

No?

[upbeat kestrel]

Its good on evwrything

[latent hill]

I’d say it would even be good for a damn scryker build.

[slender coyote]

ok

i do research now it seems fun

[upbeat kestrel]

It the best is scriers build

[wind spruce]

"Even"

Lol

[wind spruce]

Deflector for havoc safety net only

[slender coyote]

deflector can tank daemonhost for a long time from experience

[latent hill]

Umm… they do melee attacks

[slender coyote]

too bad my team saw that i was tanking it and just moved on

oh wait

im dumb

i mixing up the talent that blocks with peril

[latent hill]

You’re referring to the kinetic deflector

[wind spruce]

Wrath is excellent. You can only cleave three bruisers base which just isn't enough.

[naive sedge]

psyker greatsword is weirdly good with Disrupt Destiny keystone

[wind spruce]

To be fair deflector does increase your block efficiency

[naive sedge]

take a look at its attack breakdowns and see how much it gains from weakspots/crits

[latent hill]

Right forgot about that.

[wind spruce]

How's it weird? It's really good for any high finesse weapon

[deft stump]

You combo both and go afk for 20 secs or so in a corner holding block.

[naive sedge]

sorry thats just my bias against DD

[latent hill]

I should probably get it but I’ve been having a lot of progress using the guaranteed critical strike on special attack.

[slender coyote]

yes that is what I do

psyker stealing ogryn job

[deft stump]

Is how I help ppl with MM.

[wind spruce]

Weird to have bias against one of the best keystones in the game

[slender coyote]

also if you run out of peril just vent shriek

[wind spruce]

But new players always dislike DD

[latent hill]

Personally, I don’t use dd for havocs

[wind spruce]

Usually because they think you have to chase the blue men

[upbeat kestrel]

It reminda him of ex deedee

[slender coyote]

i like it on laspistol build

[deft stump]

I take bubble at times if it's duo. Nobody to deal with nets hurts.

[latent hill]

Fucking whip guns…

[naive sedge]

Its still been garbage for most of its lifetime, so apologies for being surprised at it coming back!

[wind spruce]

It's insane with all gun builds

[wind spruce]

Lmao no it hasn't

It's been strong af for all of its lifetime

We doing bad takes tonight, soykers

[latent hill]

Oi im not made of soybeans.

[slender coyote]

psoykers

[wind spruce]

It was considered "bad" by dumbasses because it used to drop off after 30s but it was never actually bad.

[marble crater]

But it's noon

[wind spruce]

Time is a flat circle

Like the earth

[deft stump]

It's only bad if RNG hates you.

[latent hill]

Didn’t they make it so the dd immediately jumps to any available enemy?

So I’ve heard at least

[wind spruce]

It's a lot more complex than that but they did improve the targeting again, yeah

[marble crater]

I shall play EK, Assail, Sciers and DD

[deft stump]

Includes even those half the map away that you can barely see.

[wind spruce]

Adding assail and DD to staff builds is underrated af

[latent hill]

Right, I should’ve probably added “humanoid” to that as well.

[wind spruce]

It makes your kit super versatile

Assail, vent, DD, blaze trauma is yummy

[deft stump]

Why, is good, but highly RNG.

[marble crater]

It is, but I always end up missing my psy aura

[wind spruce]

There's fuck all RNG to DD

[deft stump]

It is, it can even target things in mob tunnels.

[wind spruce]

Do. Not. Chase. THE GODDAMN BLUE MEN

It will retarget new stuff in front of you. Just keep killing shit and it will stay stacked.

[deft stump]

I'm not, I'm just watching it retarget things miles away and questioning why.

[latent hill]

Say… what’s the damage percentage increase when it reaches 25 again?

[naive sedge]

Its weapon dependent.

[wind spruce]

Don't ever use 25 stacks

[deft stump]

Even when there's a small horde next to me.

[latent hill]

Hey I can’t help but be curious

[wind spruce]

But it's 1% damage and 2% and 2.5% for crit damage and weakspot damage per stack (although I might have the last two backwards)

How much actual damage that provides is dependant on the finesse of the weapon you're using and your weakspot and crit rates

But it's a lot.

[naive sedge]

But sometimes its nothing

Check your weapon breakdowns to work it out

[wind spruce]

Yeah 15% damage is sometimes nothing

Checks out

[naive sedge]

not what I said.

[wind spruce]

Then say more words because you didn't explain yourself

[latent hill]

My guess is he’s referring to ranged weapons

[naive sedge]

Nah I'm referring to crit damage and weakspot damage being often garbage stats

[wind spruce]

Plenty of ranged weapons have high finesse

[naive sedge]

because +50% crit damage is only a 50% increase to the difference between a regular attack and a crit attack

which is sometimes nothing

[wind spruce]

That's why duellist is such a bad talent amiright

[wind spruce]

Yes, it is worse on low finesse weapons

[naive sedge]

Thank you for agreeing

[pine shore]

DD was never bad, just bugged and fucking annoying to use

[latent hill]

When do you suppose they’ll allow us to have more operatives without the use of mods…?

[pine shore]

now it's actually fixed it's amazing

[wind spruce]

Never

[quartz barn]

Even the mod for it has limitations

its capped at 8 character slots because thats locked to the engine

So adding slots without mods can lead to serious issues

[tranquil sluice]

is rending shockwave popular?

for voidblast

[marble crater]

Out of the two builds it's definitely the second most popular one

Great for havoc though, in combination with an inferno staff psyker

For aurics Blazing build is just better, imo

[deft stump]

More support over DPS, and most ppl wanna DPS.

[latent hill]

Ridiculous… Apparently the Psyker I shot through said I was showing off for shooting a drag shotgunner in the head through the Psyker

[marble crater]

That will teach you not to show off next time

[radiant frigate]

average 10s stack enjoying chad psyker

[jovial juniper]

L influence

Am I right?

[upbeat kestrel]

Kat remind me what dd actually boosts beside weakspot damage

[radiant frigate]

overall damage and +toughness and +movespeed on marked kill

and crit damage

[upbeat kestrel]

Thanks

Amd at 15 stacks its a lot

Already

[jovial juniper]

15, 30, 37.5

Dmg, Crit Dmg, Weakspot

[upbeat kestrel]

Ok thanks

[shut crypt]

Why does anything Psyker-exclusive feel much worse to use than conventional weaponry (except the blitz ofc)? Like it can take up to 10 swings with a Blaze Force Sword to take out 5 poxwalkers, and by that time, 20 more appear. Same with Voidblast. For clarification, my Psyker is still only level 7 but other classes (Vet, Zealot) felt much better on malice at that level, and not incredibly tedious.

[haughty star]

Bro wut

[broken carbon]

depends on your build

if you don’t build into melee

you’ll feel it

or your weapon blessings could just be really bad

[lapis violet]

you answered your own question by including your psyker's level

[haughty star]

Psyker is rough leveling but it and it's weapons are crazy when leveled and built right

[shut crypt]

Yeah but other classes didn't take half a min to clear out a few fodder enemies

[lapis violet]

maxed out, psyker is probably the strongest class out there in terms of raw damage output

[shut crypt]

So do I just wait for it to get better?

[lapis violet]

the leveling process should have no merit on how the class performs