psyker-class

[elder glade]

Yea, it's just not a good choice. You are effectively taking a fraction of a chance of getting the effect from a fraction of the enemies you might take down.

[patent mango]

purloin is one of the slop talents 🔥

[marble crater]

I'm tempted to skip mettle, perfect timing and some others to get charges, but then I won't have creeping flames, so I need to wait a few more levels

[patent mango]

tbh idk how many marked enemies you kill each game

maybe like 10% of kills are marked?

[thick venture]

Alright hate on it if you want
Never done anything on this side before

Suggestions?

[patent mango]

take precog on scriers

probably remove that 5% ranged node its not that important

take warp rider

[marble crater]

Change warp expenditure to soulstealer

[thorn cedar]

purloin makes battle med look like crack of bone

[analog agate]

I am going back to including inner tranq on my EK and VB staves

[marble crater]

No

[strong gulch]

This is a general SG, gunker, melee tree. It's not specifically tailored to any one thing but it works well for most things.

[strong gulch]

Oh yeah?

[analog agate]

I just have so many more shots to control the field with it. With that case of the chaos spawn in that tunnel. It allowed me to do so many more chained shots too

[thick venture]

Would puppet master work with my build better?

[analog agate]

And I don’t have to try that much harder to hit 86+ for shriek

And in havocs quelling less is just better

[marble crater]

Puppet master is not really needed

[analog agate]

Fits my playstyle

[strong gulch]

If you are rarely in melee range, then pupper master can be nice. However, it's not generally better nor as good as other talents; and builds tend to be 1 or 2 points short.

[marble crater]

Just walk 2m to the side, smh

[thick venture]

😅

[fiery stratus]

https://tenor.com/view/evil-smile-evil-evil-laugh-gif-14398336

[thick venture]

What does cleave do exactly?

[fiery stratus]

dictates the amount of enemies an attack will pass thru

[thick venture]

Cuts an enem... oh

[marble crater]

Cleave - hitmass = how many enemies you hit

[strong gulch]

Note there is a difference between cleave and cleave damage.

[thorn cedar]

mass*

pedantic difference but it does matter

[marble crater]

It does, crushers are thick

[fiery stratus]

few things cleave crushers

[thorn cedar]

carapace specifically is always a hard stop

[marble crater]

Perfect Strike evis cleaves crushers, all of them at the same time in fact

[fiery stratus]

bm entered the chat

[patent mango]

eviscerator meta just dropped

[fiery stratus]

i use perfect strike on evis

might be better options but its not bad

[marble crater]

I use it too, it's just fun

Running into 10 maulers and stun locking them all because of perfect strike

[wind spruce]

Puppet master is underrated imo

But not many builds can effort it

[marble crater]

You are underrated no wait...

[strong gulch]

Felt.

[wind spruce]

Surely inferno can take it, you only quell every six years with it

[strong gulch]

I'd take it more often but yeah points.

[wind spruce]

Not that I would know I never use it

Had to tell a havoc group yesterday I couldn't run it because I literally haven't equipped one for over 12 months

[marble crater]

[wind spruce]

It's so boring

[thorn cedar]

extremely

[onyx sentinel]

has there been any fgs skin in the store that I've missed

[thorn cedar]

none yet

[wind spruce]

It's absolutely mind boggling that they haven't dropped one

[marble crater]

It is, for the first month or two I only played inferno and bubble got it all out of my system, now I only play it for havoc

[patent mango]

fortshark could print money with fgs skin

[wind spruce]

I never used bubble before havoc because ew

[vagrant onyx]

I keep reading fgs as fugs because of ds2

[thorn cedar]

ill continue to wall until i die

[wind spruce]

Wall is fun and dynamic

[strong gulch]

I used it on train. 🫡

[wind spruce]

Bubble is for bubble bois

[strong gulch]

bubble butt

[marble crater]

I was an even bigger noob than now, when I noticed that I used bubble to avoid interacting with ranged enemies I stopped using it. I used shriek and avoided interacting with ranged enemies by burning them all instead

[thick venture]

Oof I gotta get used to this build

[strong gulch]

Do you know about warp unbound?

[thick venture]

Nah

Oh where I dont get downed

[strong gulch]

After SG ends, warp unbound lets you cast at 100% peril 10s (actually 11.5s) without exploding. Without mods, you have to keep track of it mentally or hope that the buff icon is on your buff bar.

There is a bug tho. There is a short window between SG ending and WU (warp unbound) beginning that you can explode if you cast.

[fringe garden]

That bug is virtually the entire reason I haven't been using SG lately. It's not super common but boy is it annoying when it happens

[wind spruce]

It's happened to me 5 times out of literally thousands of scriers

It's not worth worrying about, i just laugh it off

[strong gulch]

What gets me more is not figuring out if 100% peril is safe or not only after the boom.

[wind spruce]

Even with the buff smack bang in the middle of the screen i still goof it sometimes

[wind spruce]

Understandable, you were probably flustered from the poxie

[strong gulch]

Brain wanted sword special at 100% peril. 😤

and it got it

[quartz barn]

better question, what would even be the point of the special

because no charges, so it would just do minor stagger xd

[strong gulch]

no point just do

also it can stagger ragers

I forget was I was gonna do.

Maybe pretend like I had big illisi or something.

[indigo maple]

This explains a death I had a couple days ago. Really confused me at the time lol, glad I read this Discord

[split drift]

What would a perfect roll power greatsword

Look like

[thick venture]

So is assail a critical hit?

[marble crater]

Sometimes

[analog agate]

Assail can crit

[marble crater]

Crit assail should be more purple than blue

[strong gulch]

Dump warp resist. 80 everything else. Unyeilding and cara are usually taken, but check your prefered break points in the meat grinder. Wrath, crit chance blessing, and unstable power are all popular choices of blessings and depend on how you play and if you are taking warp splitting or not.

There is also a very low warp resist build that uses shriek.

If you can special twice and be at least 84 or 85 peril, then ur good for that low WR build.

[thick venture]

Does one with the warp and endurance stack?

Also if a team member kills a marked enemy it counts for me right?

[vagrant onyx]

No

[thick venture]

Bro

[vagrant onyx]

:))

[thick venture]

Can they see whos marked?

[vagrant onyx]

No

[thick venture]

Thats kinda stupid

[prime elk]

For DD?

That would be bad if teammates could see

It’d be like a brain burst situation where they’ll focus the marked target and steal your kill

[strong gulch]

Yes, but it's multiplicative or does something odd if you stack a few different options; but it stacks.

[prime elk]

Most players ooba booga when they see highlighted enemies

[strong gulch]

I don't really remember the specifics.

DD + adhd = 💀

[earnest sand]

Would anyone be willing to help knock out malleus monstronum? Last penance to finish psyker

[strong gulch]

@upper sun You done with dinner? 👆

[strong gulch]

If Clad, the person I pinged above this post does not answer, you can try asking in the lfg vox channels.

@verbal thistle also helps a lot of folks with penances and is usually found in strike party 1.

@hearty wolf @nocturne dust After playing a few rounds earlier, I am still having some cognitive issues, so true survivor is probably not in the cards today.

[earnest sand]

All good thanks for the heads up I'll keep an eye out for a lfg probably 🙂

[feral carbon]

good perks for deimos force sword?

[hearty wolf]

I still busy, is okay. After today should be okayish tho

I play earlier tomos

[jovial juniper]

When in doubt
Flak Maniacs

Iirc Maniacs for Mutant H2 one shot

[strong gulch]

Non high havoc manic and unyielding.

High havoc, unyielding and carapace.

Horde clear is assumed to be staff.

[nocturne dust]

😔

[strong gulch]

Also yes, in non high havoc maniac H2 to the head will one shot mutants with deimos

[feral carbon]

i haven't even touched havoc yet, got the came on crimbo and only have zealot (current main) and veteran to lvl 30

[uneven gull]

Do I want toughness or hp relics

[weary idol]

toughness always

[uneven gull]

Thanks

[strong gulch]

no

[uneven gull]

Then hp? Idk

[strong gulch]

The general rec is 200 hp and 1 sniper resist. That let's you tank a sniper shot and a couple bursters. Then the rest is up tp you.

In high havoc, the rec is HP because of corruption and toughness getting shredding almost immediately.

HOWEVER it is up to you and your playstyle.

If you trade hits with ranged or just generally melee more, then toughness might be the better pick for you.

[uneven gull]

Not interested in havoc so probably just gonna do 1 hp 1 toughness 1 Stam

[strong gulch]

Sounds good to me.

[granite saddle]

I like to have toughness just because if I am taking health damage 90% of the time I'm dying in 2 seconds anyway

The 10% is chip from melee hits

[uneven gull]

Well my toughness generation is bad and I never get teammates who run the classes that max ur toughness on ability pop

[granite saddle]

I use bubble just cause I like being support

And it gives me a barrier between me and gunners as I use brain burst spam on them

[uneven gull]

I also use the barrier

[strong gulch]

Psyker has strong toughness gen.

[granite saddle]

But also yea if you take toughness regen on Peril gain/quell you regen it REALLY fast

Just by doing basic shit

[strong gulch]

Warp expenditure is the worst one too.

[uneven gull]

My build must be ass then bc I get smacked once and all my toughness is gone then I can’t seem to regen it quick enough to tank another hit

[granite saddle]

Tbf Psyker has a rather low base toughness

2nd lowest I think?

[uneven gull]

Yeh I’m used to vet

[strong gulch]

It was even buffed. Idk where it stands now.

[granite saddle]

I honestly can't remember if Ogryn has the least or not but Ogryn also has intrinsic DR boosting their effective toughness

Point is though as Psyker you are gonna be made of glass but you also got the regen and damage to compensate for that

[uneven gull]

Well idk if be able to test my build better if the servers didn’t suck so bad

Went to go try it and got kicked lol

[granite saddle]

I think my Psyker has like 120 or smth toughness

[strong gulch]

Soulstealer regens a lot of toughness. Mettle carries purg hard and scrier's gaze guns hard, and quitude is always good.

The main thing is if you can't kill, then psyker toughness gen dips A LOT.

[granite saddle]

And 90% of my downs were because I sd'd

Slowly trying to not kill myself but yknow

Slipups happen.

[strong gulch]

Felt. I've having cognitive issues so I've blown up every game today. lmao

[granite saddle]

Also when fighting in my dome I barely take much damage from swarms unless I am completely left alone because I have a shitton of regen

[minor wedge]

Question....

concerning one too

are loner psykers.... heretics?

because Im pretty sure when I played earlier I heard one say something about "carrion god"

or carrion emperor or some such

[hearty wolf]

yes

[nocturne dust]

All psykers are heretics

[buoyant maple]

Yes

There’s a reason they share the same name with the worst aura in the game

[clear heath]

Wait, how does rank decay work in havoc? I thought we were supposed to demote if we didn't win

[wind spruce]

What toughness sources do other classes have that don't involve enemies?

[clear heath]

Last week i just lost like 3 havoc games without winning, demoted to 39, and now i'm back at 40

[wind spruce]

Havoc was cooked last week wasn't it

Or was that the week before

[clear heath]

i thought that was the week before

[wind spruce]

Dunno then

[clear heath]

one of my friends seems to have gotten demoted, although he didn't play at all last week

Is the requirement just to play?

I didn't win and even went down

[buoyant maple]

veteran is the only class with no in-combat toughness gain outside of kills

excluding abilities anyway

zealot has second wind (usually)
psyker has mettle and quietude
ogryn has the 2 heavy attack talents

[clear heath]

i guess we're not counting catch breath

[buoyant maple]

CaB is not active in melee

[clear heath]

field improv though

technically could be active while you're in melee

without needing a kill

[buoyant maple]

Yea at the expense of a medcrate

But for clarity sake I’d just write veteran as the only class without in-combat toughness gains outside of kills & ability, unless u take stuff like inspiring barrage on ur gun

[clear heath]

wait how does this thing work?

[buoyant maple]

It’s not easy to get CaB to work after you’ve engaged

[buoyant maple]

It’s a multiplier to all non-blessing-sourced toughness u gain

[vagrant onyx]

When you normally gain toughness you get more

[clear heath]

wow this sucks

[buoyant maple]

So at 10 stacks, you get a 1.5x multiplier to almost all toughness u get

[hearty wolf]

it makes voice of command better

1.5x max toughness

[strong gulch]

Dodging or smacking enemies vs killing them is what I'm talking about.

[wind spruce]

Yeah... what I'm getting at is why is it so commonly said that psyker in particulars toughness regen is low when not killing

[clear heath]

I don't remember that being commonly said at all

literally have never heard this

[wind spruce]

But we only have one toughness source which requires a kill that isn't a complete waste of a point

[clear heath]

I thought psyker having really frequent toughness gain was a commonly agreed thing

I guess technically voice of command and chorus users have it easier

[zinc phoenix]

We gain a lot but less total because lower toughness overall

Higher freq

[wind spruce]

When in combat/killing is often added on to that statement

[clear heath]

I hear that more often for zealot

in zealot's case, it's true because second wind and crit cdr being used for their toughness gain abilities

and melee kills

[weary idol]

it's a 50% boost to all toughness you get back at max stacks

so if you're using say out for blood

your melee kills will give you 15% of your toughness back on kill

roughly

it's probably the best marksmans focus sub node

[strong gulch]

Psyker toughness gen dips if you can't kill when I was talking about soulstealer. Which is true. I also said that mettle carries SG gun builds and purg in regards to toughness gen.

What exactly is being discussed or the nuance that you'd like to add or is this me not clarifying things well? I'm genuinely asking. As stated earlier. I am having some difficulties understanding things right now.

[zinc phoenix]

I wish marksman focus worked like disrupt destiny instead of being the world’s most annoying keystone

Can it be played around? Yes, I have the MF penance

Does it suck to play around? Also yes

[nocturne dust]

I mean, the idea isn't terrible, there just needs to be a lot more to it

[prime elk]

be the crab

[zinc phoenix]

Hilariously I use my crab skills way more than I use MF

I’ve multiple times in havoc gone full crab melee

Because “oooh crate cover”

[weary idol]

yeah it's a fun keystone on the weapons that benefit from it

but the stacks go away way too easily just by playing the game normally

and all of the sub nodes are mid at best

tunnel vision is the only one I'd ever consider worth taking

[zinc phoenix]

The only fun vet keystone is weapon specialist

[weary idol]

and it's still not really worth the skill point

[zinc phoenix]

“Ping for power” 😴

[earnest sand]

Is there any "trick" to get a low warp resist sword or just RNG?

[weary idol]

just RNG

[zinc phoenix]

Step 1 be rich
Step 2 become not rich

It’s a foolproof method

[earnest sand]

I'm on step 2 🫠 but skipped step 1.

[zinc phoenix]

Gotta keep the gremlins from stealing your wallet in future

[earnest sand]

Was going for like 0/60 warp resist damn gremlins

[nocturne dust]

Step 1: Be Me

[clear heath]

Gonna start consecrating stuff before I sell them so i get more ordo dockets

materials are worthless anyways

[wind spruce]

You're all good, nothing really to clarify. Was just wondering outloud why I often hear people say psykers toughness regen is particularly low when not killing

My brain is cooked rn too. Have barely slept 4 hours over the last few days. It sucks

[thorn cedar]

It's not so much killing in the literal sense, but more broadly your toughness gain is based pretty much exclusively on fighting shit in some capacity.

[strong gulch]

If it helps, this staff went to 18% WR when everything else hit 80.

This isn't a rub in your face type thing, but what to look for in terms of empowering so that you hopefully avoid wasting ordos on some that ends up being 52 WR or something.

[nocturne dust]

I mean, mettle requires damage

Only Quietude is murder-free

[thorn cedar]

Our only 'cheat' in that respect is Scrier's Gaze + Quietude where you practically can generate toughness even out of combat.

[wind spruce]

Are the resources really that imbalanced now

[clear heath]

with havoc giving 30k plasteel and 20k diamantine every week, it might as well be infinite

[nocturne dust]

technically you could have bubble

[clear heath]

i could not fathom what it would take to deplete all those crafting mats

[wind spruce]

And don't you just need like sub 200k dockets for rach weapon family then you're done forever? How are long-termers starving for them

[wind spruce]

Ah yeah I forgot that

[strong gulch]

Oh gotcha.

Also rip no sleep. I hope that changes soon. I know you're dealing with things. 🙏

[clear heath]

gambling for 0% warp res force swords

would take literal millions of ordo dockets

[nocturne dust]

imagine gambling

[clear heath]

meanwhile consecrating you just do it a few times and you're done forever

[wind spruce]

My psych is back in the office today so hopefully I can get back on clonidine by end of week. It's not the only issue with my sleep the last few days but it'll help

[strong gulch]

Gambling. Each mk getting its own weapon. Each slightly different build getting its own weapon as well. I can't find x weapon is my stuffed inventory so I'll just make a new one.

starts new character

[nocturne dust]

This is why I have the mod for naming weapons

and the filter/search mods

[strong gulch]

I should do that. I've looked at but muh brain says, "No way am I concentrating on that lol."

[wind spruce]

This is why I deleted my entire inventory so now I have like 8 weapons

[maiden oracle]

If there’s two psykers and I don’t want to double stack on flame staffs what’s the next best staff i could use for havoc

Thinking voidblast

[wind spruce]

Now how to turn off emporer's gifts 😭

[nocturne dust]

me with 5 favorited FGSs and 6 Infernos:

[wind spruce]

WHY

[strong gulch]

trauma/ voidblast. Do the rending shockwave + flurry with flak + cara varient.

[maiden oracle]

Can you link that rq

[clear heath]

I only have 2 infernos

multiple fgs i understand

but why so many infernos?

[nocturne dust]

well I have one for meta, one for pen flame, one for showstopper memes, one for damage dump memes, one for tested quell speed dump, and one for warp flurry

[wind spruce]

Just respec them

[nocturne dust]

no

[wind spruce]

Yes

[strong gulch]

They're all different. 😭

[wind spruce]

I just respec my weapons in the lobby (if I'm not quickplaying)

[strong gulch]

I have over 100 green eyeshadows as single pans. They're all different. Darktide inventory is gonna be the same.

[nocturne dust]

I'll just keep collecting weapons until I have one for every combination of perk and blessing

[broken carbon]

typical elitist, shoving ur luck in the new player's face...

[strong gulch]

I can't remember that.

[nocturne dust]

I can shove luck

[wind spruce]

Understandable

[earnest sand]

Nice gotcha, I only got a 0% warp resistance inferno staff so far.

[nocturne dust]

Rolled this on accident

[wind spruce]

Yesterday I re-did my build to have prescience instead of seer's in a h40 lobby and I autopiloted into picking shriek instead of dome... just like I did when we were playing last week

[strong gulch]

Incredible actually. You have your own build randomizer.

[maiden oracle]

Can you share the voidblast build rq

[strong gulch]

havoc?

[clear heath]

nah that's far too annoying
I just wanna be able to select the build and instantly have things ready

[maiden oracle]

Yea

[clear heath]

I have like 10 builds saved for every class except ogryn

[wind spruce]

I'm not organised enough for that to happen anyway

Way too ADHD to not let it fall into disrepair and not be able to trust that the build is right

[strong gulch]

This is what I take when I am with a purg user. It's rendi truma/ voidblast.

It could drop warp battery for battle meditation since the quell speed penalty is kinda stiff.

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9dc05254-3159-4d82-ab1b-f7405391914e/havoc-40-bubble-rending-flurry-voidblast-trauma

[analog agate]

rough carry lvl 12 havoc lol

[patent mango]

ogryn has like 2 builds lmaoo

and gunlugger is so sad

[clear heath]

...
yeah i literally have 2 builds saved for ogryn

[clear heath]

well it helps that most of my builds are actually different weapon combinations

i don't really like using the same pair of weapons for multiple builds

[patent mango]

i want sniper tlaents for ogryn

specifically for achlys single barrel

[clear heath]

exception being zealot having chorus/fotf variants for dueling sword/flamer and relic/bolter

[patent mango]

i always use bolter on zealot

[clear heath]

but i made the icons pretty obvious for showing which one is the support build

[patent mango]

since psyker dont got it i like using it on other classes

[clear heath]

I think i have bolter on like 4 different builds on zealot

most of them are bolter or flamer

i think i have a revolver or vraks iag in a couple

[wind spruce]

Why not?

[clear heath]

idk i just want them to feel different

and i want to play more weapon combinations

[prime elk]

at this point i only use flamer on zealot

[wind spruce]

Tbf I also one or two trick builds/weapons for months at a time until I've mastered it or the dopamine runs dry

[clear heath]

zealot's a weird exception to that because tknives kinda incentivizes me into picking bolter/flamer
but at least i try to change up the melee a lot

[wind spruce]

So editing on the fly is less of an issue

[prime elk]

yeah i never end up using "normal" ranged weapons since tknives are a thing lol

[wind spruce]

Understandable. I like it.

[clear heath]

I like being able to change builds on the fly and not be super reliant on anything in particular

or else we get into that situation like when i played fgs for 2 weeks straight and i couldn't play without the massive range, missing attacks with every melee weapon

[wind spruce]

Oh God that was happening to me yesterday

I just switched back to FGS

[nocturne dust]

can't learn bad habits if you never learn

[inland ice]

fgs too goated

also most fun

[nocturne dust]

https://tenor.com/view/think-about-it-reece-simpson-kayode-ewumi-roll-safe-meme-gif-17305682

[inland ice]

no reason not to use

[nocturne dust]

too slow

[wind spruce]

My "motto" in school was if you don't try you can't fail

[nocturne dust]

https://tenor.com/view/jacksepticeye-speed-gif-20515611

[wind spruce]

I was, of course, super cool and I totally don't regret not partipating in things I thought were lame back then

[clear heath]

I get the same issue in reverse if i use knife for too long
Too used to mobility and I waste the range on longer weapons

gotta alternate weapons and builds to prove to myself i'm not using them as a crutch

or at least, prove that i can use different crutches

[nocturne dust]

That's the secret

Everything is a crutch

[wind spruce]

Both understandable

As long as you're clear those are two separate issues

Bc getting used to things isn't something you can overcome

And isn't using a crutch

[nocturne dust]

You're not a real darktide player until you complete a Havoc 40 without any weapons, talents, abilities, blitzes, and curios.

[strong gulch]

Just never get used to anything. Stay bad friends.

Like me. I've lived in my house for 7ish years and need the light switches labeled. Never remember. Never get gud.

[wind spruce]

But I wanna be a good friend 😦

[buoyant maple]

outside of plasma gun yea

[strong gulch]

You don't have to.

(I want to be good too)

[buoyant maple]

plasma gun perfect roll is somewhere like 5M+?

[wind spruce]

Is that because it has some dumb threshold for certain modifiers

[clear heath]

it has a breakpoint at 69% thermal res

[wind spruce]

Giggity

[clear heath]

so like imagine aiming for exactly that

[strong gulch]

rip

[buoyant maple]

68~69% thermal resist

any more is technically a waste

any less gets 1 less continuously fired shot

[clear heath]

mine's 70 and i cope by saying it's a more aesthetically pleasing number

[wind spruce]

Do you always/consistently vent to 0?

Oh right yeah you do

[clear heath]

it actually started at 69 and then hadron fucked it

[wind spruce]

(My vet is level 8 or something)

[buoyant maple]

no, but u will start fights at 0% unlike psyker

[nocturne dust]

I mean, plasma has a manual vent

[buoyant maple]

so being able to fire 1 extra shot before having to vent is 1 extra dead elite/specialist

[wind spruce]

Ironically hot number for thermal resist

[buoyant maple]

it also means u can fire if the weapon cools below 95%

which is automatic

[nocturne dust]

if you don't miss

https://tenor.com/view/family-guy-ripaim-random-fire-out-of-control-fire-gif-5980510

Live footage of me on Vet

[wind spruce]

Which one are you

[nocturne dust]

I've grinded too much to bother with specific stats. I'll just grab the 60% dump and go.

[nocturne dust]

I run revolver so the pistol guy

[thick venture]

How do you guys see assail performing in Havocs?

[thick venture]

Do you think that helps them run faster

[wind spruce]

So the less handsome one

[tranquil sluice]

''warp attack'' means the psyker abilities right? for example the homing spikes?

[wind spruce]

Staff attacks, blitzes, soulblaze and force sword specials

[tranquil sluice]

wondering if using assail* will give me toughness on kill, with the talent for ''warp attack kill''

[tranquil sluice]

what is blitz?

[thick venture]

Assail I believe is a Blitz

[tranquil sluice]

assail replaces the headpop thing

[wind spruce]

Blitzes are assail, smite and Brain Burst

[tranquil sluice]

and is option to smite and brain rupture

[tranquil sluice]

ok thanks 🙂

[tranquil sluice]

is that scrier's gaze?

[strong gulch]

yes

Is that how you're suposed to use it?

no

[thick venture]

Wait

[tranquil sluice]

no idea, i dont even know what you were doing, but i know some ability builds constantly during use.

[thick venture]

Nvm

[wind spruce]

https://outplayed.tv/media/LwLe3O

Goddamn I love this clip

Top 5 moments

[strong gulch]

No one know what I was doing. I was just goblin do it mode.

[strong gulch]

I remember this clip. Still a nice shot.

[nocturne dust]

Wish I had a recording of me on Voidstrike right after I went from min height to max height

You miss 100% of the shots you do take

[thick venture]

Ok how is this
Lemme know if I'm missing anything I like using Assail in this build

I like the Synergy between Scrier and Unstable Power

[wind spruce]

I love that I can see my subconscious plan go from "tag and move on" to "SHOOT MY SHOT" in a split second

[tranquil sluice]

is there some lingo reffering to different talent tiers? like the 4 levels of big ability buffs

[strong gulch]

FGS dump is warp resistance and take warp splitting. It greatly improves assail. Drop ethereal shards to save a point.

[wind spruce]

I have no idea what you mean to be honest

[tranquil sluice]

why not 30% faster assail buildup

[thick venture]

Is the additional targets not worth it?

I use it to horde clear then go in with blades

[wind spruce]

Warp splitting instead of ethereal shards is a must

[thick venture]

Oh ok I misunderstood

[wind spruce]

Warp splitting gives +1 assail cleave at 10% peril and + 2 at 70ish peril

[summer canopy]

what dump stat should I use for the elec staff

[strong gulch]

Etheral shards only gives 1 extra cleave. Warp splitting gives that at like 20% peril or maybe lower.

[strong gulch]

warp resist

[thick venture]

Is there a way I can fit Ethereal in aswell?

[wind spruce]

It's not worth it imo

[strong gulch]

10%?? lol incredible

[wind spruce]

Yeah the second shard you throw benefits if you don't have peril resist

So good

[tranquil sluice]

one might call the choise of 3 warp abilities tier 1 psyker talents.

[summer canopy]

god I got every stat except for that

[tranquil sluice]

maybe you were building toughness? :p with building %

[wind spruce]

What do you mean 3 warp abilities? Do you mean the blitzes?

[tranquil sluice]

yeah

[wind spruce]

Maybe you're referring to blitzes, combat abilities and keystones

[thick venture]

Are my weapons ok?

[strong gulch]

I think I wanted to bonk but people killed the boogers I wanted to bonk.

[tranquil sluice]

and the 3 aura choises tier 2? or what do you call it

[thick venture]

The warp resist I'm finding isn't an issue becuase Assail gives me a solid 10% each Throw

[tranquil sluice]

surely there is general lingo around talent tree tiers

[wind spruce]

Vraks dumpstat is ammo, FGS is warp resistance or mobility if you want to spam special

And FGS doesn't need flak

[thick venture]

Why ammo wouldn't I have to reload sooner?

[wind spruce]

The vraks has a particularly low variance in it's ammo modifier

[strong gulch]

blitz (green), aura (yellow), ability (red), keystone (purple)

Nodes on those are either assumed or stated otherwise.

[wind spruce]

Iirc you lose 1 ammo in your clip dropping 20% of the modifier

[maiden oracle]

Why hp curios

[nocturne dust]

Isn't Vraks' dump mobility?

[wind spruce]

Vraks has less variance than the other two marks

[nocturne dust]

And?

Speed dumb.

[wind spruce]

And so it's not worth it over speed

[thorn cedar]

someone get this pinned

[thick venture]

What is that

[nocturne dust]

wat does that even say

[thorn cedar]

assail cleave

[thick venture]

How do you read that

[strong gulch]

Corruption and toughness get eaten right away even when invested in and it's not a melee build.

Even when it's not blight spreads, dogs corrupt you quickly.

Plus I have one set for havoc and am not gonna switch them around.

[thick venture]

Ohh nvm

[maiden oracle]

Got it

[nocturne dust]

I would prefer pins be a little clearer in what they're about but I'm sure if you bother a mod they can do it 🤷‍♂️

[thorn cedar]

as a psyker unless you fully invest in toughness (3x curios + 3x perks and at least three or more +15 toughness nodes) your toughness will barely crack 120

[wind spruce]

It's also not that helpful without the mass values of common enemies

[thick venture]

Just edit the top of the initial message after?

[strong gulch]

That chart is from here. The blitz part III section on assail.
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3094028505

[nocturne dust]

doesn't assail have weird cleave that ignores mass value?

[thorn cedar]

assail doesnt use hitmass

its a flat number of enemies hit and does not care what it was, other than not-carapace

[wind spruce]

Not true anymore. One toughness curio nets you 123

Assuming you don't run extra toughness nodes

[thick venture]

Is speed movement or movement, reload and everything else

[nocturne dust]

movement

[thick venture]

How slow am I at 60?

[wind spruce]

Glacial

[thick venture]

I hold my blade out 90% of the time

[nocturne dust]

like, 5% slower or something super tiny

[tranquil sluice]

Telekine shield with all 4 upgrades seem completely OP :p

[nocturne dust]

I literally cannot tell the difference between an 80% and 60% mob on Knife

[thick venture]

I only use that gun to shred bosses
I'm trying to build this based off what path told me

[tranquil sluice]

nvm can only pick 2

[nocturne dust]

Shield has HP

so it can get destroyed

so not OP

[thick venture]

Is the flat one tankier

[nocturne dust]

well, not more OP than Shriek

[analog agate]

No

[nocturne dust]

flat one?

[thick venture]

Who would pick flat over dome?

The wall

Forgot its name

[nocturne dust]

Ah

[thorn cedar]

theyre both exactly as tanky

[wind spruce]

Cool people

[thick venture]

Lol

[nocturne dust]

Stupid people

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1046914150363844779/1313803542196391936/elmopsyker.gif

Embrace bubble

Live in it

Die in it

Be made a martyr in it

[thick venture]

Bubble is love bubble is life ?

[tranquil sluice]

after 25 hours i'm getting the vibe that crits are incredibly strong, so 5% crit aura is the best overall right?

[nocturne dust]

Yes

[thorn cedar]

no

[wind spruce]

Y'all need therapy

[thorn cedar]

but also yes

[wind spruce]

Bubble BAD

[tranquil sluice]

[nocturne dust]

I mean, if you could pick any aura

[thick venture]

I know you are but what am I

[nocturne dust]

at no point cost

it would be the crit one

buuuuttt

it costs an extra point for some builds

so not worth

[tranquil sluice]

don't think it's possible to die in it

live in it yes

sleep in it

[nocturne dust]

Boi doesn't know about overheads

[tranquil sluice]

i do 😦

even from vermintide 2

[wind spruce]

Are you really living if you stay in the same place forever

[thorn cedar]

bubble is just fucken boring thats all

it works very well

and thats what makes it boring

[tranquil sluice]

you get 15 sec to move to a new location for new bouble life

[wispy bay]

Shield wall is much more fun in Maelstrom modifier. In Havoc it is different.

[nocturne dust]

Yes

https://tenor.com/view/dancing-on-couch-cecily-strong-saturday-night-live-dance-cute-dance-gif-24052225

[tranquil sluice]

Zealot ftw

[wind spruce]

Go for a run. Exercise is good for you.

[nocturne dust]

I go for walks

[tranquil sluice]

Zealot was my first character, loved it. and now i love psyker maybe more.

[nocturne dust]

with my dogs

[wind spruce]

Inside your bubble?

[thick venture]

Nah Crushers be on that roid rage

[nocturne dust]

It's kinda like a run, but worse because I'm constantly fighting my dogs

[nocturne dust]

My bubble is what I want it to be

[wind spruce]

Protected from this cruel, cruel world

(Understandable)

[nocturne dust]

The world saw what the education system did to me and said 'they can have a break'

[thick venture]

Maelstrome best for Dia?

[nocturne dust]

normal dam is best resource farm

dockets is aurics

[thick venture]

Dockets?

[nocturne dust]

money

the coins

[thick venture]

Oh ok

Honestly I didn't know what those were called tbh

[wind spruce]

Didn't do much from what I've seen from you

[thick venture]

I called them coins 🪙 😅

[tranquil sluice]

how can i test if something generates toughness in the meat grinder?

[thick venture]

So if Im resource farming is joining late a win

[tranquil sluice]

it was to me

[nocturne dust]

Sssshhh, I'm playing it up

[tranquil sluice]

i joined the last 25%, got 5k exp and 20k ordos on heresy

[nocturne dust]

ye

[tranquil sluice]

it's great that late joiners get full pot, so they stay.

[nocturne dust]

The best is when you join a match that is already over

[tranquil sluice]

i did, thaty today but it was a loss.

loaded into death screen, never even saw my character. 400 free exp tho 😄

[thick venture]

With the stuff I join into I deserve it

[tranquil sluice]

yeah, often there is a reason the spot opened 😄

can psyker get ''overshield'' in a way? like you get with zealots auira

zealots ability aura.

[nocturne dust]

Join a match in progress
Everyone is dead but you
There's a boss
There's trappers
There's bombers
There's flamers
There's hounds
There's crushers
There's maulers
There's shotgunners

[thick venture]

Lmao

[nocturne dust]

https://tenor.com/view/darktide-40k-psyker-explode-perils-gif-10586129510772702813

[wind spruce]

It's me, I'm the boss

[nocturne dust]

The worse result

There's nothing around but barrels and a vet with an itchy trigger finger

[nocturne dust]

Gold toughness? No

Only Vet and Zealot can get it

through Voice of Command/Book

[wind spruce]

Remove gold toughness

Then give it to psyker

[jovial juniper]

Then put it on the walls instead of bubble

[nocturne dust]

Remove duelist, then give it to Psyker

[wind spruce]

YES

Finally, remove precog

Don't add anything

[tranquil sluice]

sometimes im actually baffled at who is permitted to join heresy difficulty

[thick venture]

Do people revive you in the flame intentionally?

Me rn

[tranquil sluice]

lock heresy behind level 20 maybe

i put up shield, and all 3 randoms are standing outside it, ignoring all the range units im shooting

[nocturne dust]

Eh, not really, but also generally you can dodge out of the fire if you're quick enough

[tranquil sluice]

actually it could be visual bug, that has destoyed some games for me.

making shield not seethrough

[thick venture]

I was down and flammer was trying to kill me

[tranquil sluice]

How long has psyker shield had a visual bug?

[nocturne dust]

oh, well, that's kinda different but not entirely

sometimes people are just panicked and trying to revive because they have the chance

[wind spruce]

I do

[thick venture]

You heretic

[wind spruce]

Its bc I'm trying to teach you to dodge out of them

I can't be held responsible for your skill issues

[thick venture]

Well I wasn't in it the flammer came by and was like

Oh look here

[wind spruce]

I meant after you get ressed

Gotta be spamming that dodge

You can consistently take 0 damage if you don't have high ping

[thick venture]

I dont think I could've in this situation 😭

[wind spruce]

https://tenor.com/view/burn-muppet-elmo-feu-enfer-gif-16258033

[thick venture]

Damnation 1 boss?

Is 20 bosses not normal 😅

Dam Scrier on BoN is kinda sad

[wind spruce]

Why

[thick venture]

It dies

Its crit spot is so large

And DD also but just the damage buff I think is alot

[wind spruce]

Yeah if you can line the vraks up on its weakspot it's dead in a clip

[thick venture]

Its not as fast as Ive seen a Ogryns twin stubber do but its up there

Twin Stubber Fire Bullets or something

My friend just lights off Plague Ogryns with that

Lights up*

[wind spruce]

That's the only significsnt downside of recon, less dps benefit against monstrosities

Good thing it's better in every other way

[thick venture]

I didn't even see Psyker can use recon

Does the Recon see the same benifits from my kit as the Vraks?

I don't think it has the same damage though

Oof if the Psyker had Recon crits take no ammo

Its over

[wind spruce]

Recon is extremely good with psykers kit

Infernus is crazy strong

It has better ammo conservation

[thick venture]

Honestly though Recons fire rate would stack fast right?

[wind spruce]

Yep the firerate is a huge benefit

Ridiculously good toughness generatiin and peril reduction

It's also much more accurate, so if you're bad at aiming like me it's the easy choice

[thick venture]

This is fun

Sadly my Dia is basically out

Mobility on the Recon is dump?

[wind spruce]

Collateral

[prime elk]

doesn't really matter

[wind spruce]

Doesn't really matter for almost every weapon

[wispy bay]

Dump mobility. Collateral has some small use.

[wind spruce]

Like what?

It also has downsides like staggering gunners and making you miss

[nocturne dust]

skill issue

[nocturne dust]

I'm bad at aiming so I find Vraks easier

Can't miss if your recoil ensures you'll hit everything in that direction

[nocturne dust]

is okay*

It's no staff

[buoyant maple]

No
Far less base finesse (which Psyker’s talents scale off of) so it’s a lot less direct damage than the autogun

But it’s much lower recoil and has infernus so you can cope with it if u prefer a simpler weapon

[wind spruce]

Aiming is not complex

That's not how that word works

[nocturne dust]

We're psykers, we don't aim

[wind spruce]

Like lmao recon is objectively more complex than vraks

[thorn cedar]

not really

there's stuff you can do with it but

as a pick up and use weapon

boy is it easy to pick up and use

[nocturne dust]

I mean, they're both boring guns. You just aim for weakspots with them.

[wind spruce]

Easy and simple are not synonymous

[thorn cedar]

ultra low recoil, fat magazine, fast fire rate, good damage against reasoanble targets

[nocturne dust]

The only difference is you have to actually manage recoil with Vraks

[buoyant maple]

It’s a very simple weapon mechanically, what is wrong with that

[thorn cedar]

yea but the cost of aiming for heads on recon vs vraks is night and day

recon is much easier because yeah, you should aim for heads

but its not a difference of 3x the damage

[nocturne dust]

Braced is the best full auto anyway

[thorn cedar]

infernus is easy to proc up and get value as well

and in my case recon on psyker is, as much as i do love it, just an engine to painlessly keep empathic evasion up

if vraks had reload tech

id probably be using that instead

[nocturne dust]

I mean, Recon is complex mechanically but none of those mechanics change the gameplay, so the gameplay, and thus recon, is fairly simple imo

[buoyant maple]

It does
You just don’t have enough autism to use it 100% the time

[thorn cedar]

man idk dude

i tried real hard to

[buoyant maple]

I don’t count on it either

[thorn cedar]

there didnt seem to be any way to chain it twice in succession

[buoyant maple]

I still include it in guide but I don’t count on it working

[thorn cedar]

maybe there's a frame perfect input

where you can do the insta-reload

and also cancel that reload to do it again

but i did not find it

its still a 'double mag' but even recon with 100 in its own mag runs out sometimes yknow

[buoyant maple]

Recon’s reload tech doesn’t even matter that much for psyker tbh since you won’t be running deathspitter on it outside of XIV (?)

[thorn cedar]

oh its not for DD

its to reload and reengage EE

without losing it

[nocturne dust]

EE isn't that valuable

[thorn cedar]

uhhhh

i mean im pushing h40s with this so

[buoyant maple]

That reload tech’s biggest upside I’ve noticed is to upkeep deathspitter between reloads

[thorn cedar]

its basically the difference between me being dead and not dead

[nocturne dust]

And?

[thorn cedar]

and yea thats another benefit

infernus + dumdum at H40 anyway right

nothing to actually keep stacking like that

[nocturne dust]

If you stand around all vulnerable like, sure

[thorn cedar]

but i dont gotta

cause im a ghost

[nocturne dust]

you are correct you don't gotta

EE doesn't play into it

[thorn cedar]

walk me through

how EE does not play into a situation wherein one would want to avoid ranged damage

[dreamy fjord]

Where do u go on discord to look at meta builds for classes

[thorn cedar]

these channels

check the pins

in each one

[nocturne dust]

uh pins are sometimes

[analog agate]

Or ask if you know a weapon combo

You want

[zinc phoenix]

Ok, what is this build?

[thorn cedar]

its a reload tech

for the autoguns

[zinc phoenix]

You’re running IAGs on psyker in high havoc?

That’s wild

[buoyant maple]

it's a hilariously inconsistent reload tech for infantry autogun that looks really cool when u pull it off

[nocturne dust]

EE doesn't play into you having to stand around all vulnerable like. You can not be vulnerable without EE, in other words.

[thorn cedar]

oh my god this guide is TOO BIG

[buoyant maple]

https://youtu.be/9070r-z-Pz4

[thorn cedar]

CUT IT DOWN PATH

[buoyant maple]

wat

wait

how do u have access to my guide ?????

[thorn cedar]

i was tryin to find it

[dreamy fjord]

Thxs

[buoyant maple]

it's not published

[thorn cedar]

also someone left a big dump in ur toilet

[buoyant maple]

wtf how do u have access

[buoyant maple]

IT'S ONLY GONNA GET BIGGER

[analog agate]

If you want specific psyker builds ask here. The builds in Pygex’s guide aren’t meta

[buoyant maple]

are u a steam forum moderator or smth wtf

[thorn cedar]

idk i was scrolling through like a fat google doc

[buoyant maple]

Oh the word document

That’s the condensed version

[thorn cedar]

ITS TOO LONG

the appendix should not be triple digits

[buoyant maple]

It’s the ultra-condensed version actually

[zinc phoenix]

Homie what

[thorn cedar]

oh you have no description

[buoyant maple]

for that video?

or

[thorn cedar]

that vid ye

[buoyant maple]

I just sent that vid

showcase

When reloading, sprint cancel (tap sprint + forward, then let go of forward) at the last moment of returning charging handle to normal position. While difficult, it can drastically speed up the next reload if done right.

this is description

in guide

[thick venture]

Path I got a question how would I deal with Crushers?

[buoyant maple]

bring a good sword

[zinc phoenix]

It’s a guide for a class in a moderately popular video game not a PhD thesis 😂

[thorn cedar]

the result is that the game doesnt realize that you completed the last reload (because you technically stopped it) but the ammo is in the gun

you shoot ur mag

next time you press reload

[thick venture]

So the BFG is good for them?

[thorn cedar]

it just instantly loads it

[nocturne dust]

this is why cancelling was a mistake

[thick venture]

Hehe BFG 😏

[buoyant maple]

be very afraid

[thorn cedar]

by completing the tiny bit of the last anim that you had canceled out

pulling this off organically is sort of a pain in the ass

but i was doing it

[zinc phoenix]

Animation canceling is fine, they should just put a wee timer so that the gun doesn’t work until the animation would have finished

[thorn cedar]

you just cant repeat it twice over

so its at best a double-mag

[nocturne dust]

yes

[thorn cedar]

but you then have to deliberately reset and prep it for the next engagement

[buoyant maple]

U can’t deny the reload animation itself looks sick

[thorn cedar]

it makes me want a double-mag

[nocturne dust]

Anything can be a thesis if you try hard enough

[thorn cedar]

but i still prefer recons

its so snappy

pap-pap get reloaded

[zinc phoenix]

Behold the thesis on my bunghole: 🍑

[thorn cedar]

oh my god, its so big

[thick venture]

Is Blazefire Great sword good for crushers? Or should I just Dueling?

[thorn cedar]

how much bunghole can one thesis cover?

[nocturne dust]

I will write a thesis about a bunghole

[buoyant maple]

Tbh
I wouldn’t even categorize mine as a “class guide” anymore

[nocturne dust]

You can't stop me

[buoyant maple]

It covers way too much to be a simple class guide

[silver quarry]

My psyker oddly enough is now better than my zealot for me

[analog agate]

Ds iv is meta for crushers. Fgs is good at it too

[buoyant maple]

I basically crammed every non-class-exclusive mechanic into it

[thick venture]

Heavy Attack their face?

[analog agate]

Yes

[nocturne dust]

Uh, mk6 yes, mk8 eh

[zinc phoenix]

That thing is real btw, I used to drive past it all the time 😂

[nocturne dust]

mk8 has better crusher DPS due to BPs if you utilize the heavy after the push attack

BUUUUUUUUT that does eat your stamina and generate peril

and can be annoying

[zinc phoenix]

But if you have stam curio and eat peril 💪

You can POUND CRUSHER ASS

[thick venture]

I like peril now father

I will always be in peril

[nocturne dust]

ew

mk6 > mk8

mk6 has the stab after the slice

and just has nicer combos imo

[untold niche]

your steam guide done? i will like it and award it

[nocturne dust]

and that's the real deciding factor, how you like your combos

[thick venture]

https://tenor.com/view/together-rykard-elden-ring-hmmm-demigod-gif-25591712

[buoyant maple]

@thorn cedar behold

[buoyant maple]

No, wait 5 months

[nocturne dust]

[zinc phoenix]

If you host it on a website you can track user mouse movements so you can see exactly how fast they scrolled past all the research for the conclusion 😂

[untold niche]

ok ping me when its done i will give u awards

im assumign you can give awards on guide

[fading patrol]

Too many numbers

[buoyant maple]

I don’t need everyone to read everything

Just the intro section and whatever they’re looking for

[fading patrol]

*next week (fs style)

[thick venture]

Can you add colors for the Ogryns in the back 😅

[buoyant maple]

can't do that in steam guide

[thick venture]

Neon green page version

Retina no more

[buoyant maple]

I’m 42 weapons away from finishing the weapons’ section
Then curios
Then example builds
Then havoc related stuff
Maybe penances

[untold niche]

playing vt2 made me realize die hard fans of vt2 probably hate dt

[thick venture]

Wait mobility is the amount of dodges you have?

[untold niche]

tied to yeah

[thick venture]

Bruh

[nocturne dust]

dumping mobility doesn't lower it, tho

[untold niche]

you can see it in the melee stats thing

[nocturne dust]

[thick venture]

Where is that?

[zinc phoenix]

Don’t look at the numbers, it’s all heresy af

[nocturne dust]

You would have to deliberately lower your mobility below 60 before it starts taking away dodges. You get the maximum amount of dodges at 60.

[thick venture]

THERES NUMBERS?!?!

[untold niche]

go to your weapon and then press v

as in in inventory

[zinc phoenix]

Your mind is not ready for the deeply heretical shit in that guide

[untold niche]

iirc its v

[thick venture]

Wut is dat in PS5 terms

[zinc phoenix]

You will draw strange conclusions and start maxing mobility

[untold niche]

goodluck with that i dont know

there should be a prompt

bottom right of the screen

somethng like view stats

or whatever

or details

[thick venture]

There isn't

Is seeing how many dodges you have a mod?

[untold niche]

yes and no

in game, yes.
however seeing the stats like i described its not a mod

[thick venture]

Oh I mean during gameplay

[fading patrol]

Check whatever buttons available on the bottom of screen
Should be inspect > hover over the stats

[untold niche]

then yes

[untold niche]

apparently man cant find it

[thick venture]

It doesn't exist

[untold niche]

i said click the weapon :v

[thick venture]

Oh thats where that is

Wtf is that

[fading patrol]

Open up gear selection
Same page on cosmetics

[thick venture]

I literally did not know this existed and lets say... theres attack chains?

Wait

[untold niche]

you don't know the one thing that people circle jerk over in tide games?

[thick venture]

I been unga bunga swinging this whole time

Are attack chains worth it?

[buoyant maple]

for some weapons they're necessary to learn

[untold niche]

what do you mean worth it lmao

[thick venture]

Nah I didn't even see the bosses were weakened on Auric or whatever

[untold niche]

bosses are weakened on auric?

[thick venture]

Can I just unga bunga still?

[untold niche]

huh

see what path said

[untold niche]

^

[thick venture]

Yes I was trying to answer your question also

[buoyant maple]

Well, depends on the weapon

[untold niche]

path what does he mean by bosses are weakened on auric

im confused

[buoyant maple]

That’s a modifier that has chance to spawn weakened monsters in auric

It doesn’t replace the regular boss spawns

[untold niche]

ok thats a different thing lol

[thick venture]

Imma be honest I never seen that before in my life

[buoyant maple]

It’s 20% chance for every single specialist spawned by the game to become a weakened monster

[untold niche]

oh its specialist? i thought it was elite damn

[young falcon]

Hades confusing me with his confusion

[untold niche]

same ngl

[thick venture]

Nah dev took pity and made it like 10 - 15 in a row

[untold niche]

small monsters max spawn i seen is 4

[thick venture]

Honestly its late and I kinda just play the game to have fun and get far learning from all you

[analog agate]

Would be a lot more bosses if it was elites. Though I am not sure if their is a protected time they can’t spawn after one has spawned

[untold niche]

learn slowly, game gets boring fast when you hit skill floor

at least for me

[nocturne dust]

there is no timer

we got 8 in a row at the start of a match one time

[analog agate]

Unlucky

[thick venture]

Yeah thats fun when it does that

[nocturne dust]

It was pox gas too

[untold niche]

i never had more than 4 lmao

[nocturne dust]

so super cursed, actually

[untold niche]

holy shit

[thick venture]

I wonder how many health bars can be on the screen

[analog agate]

I still haven’t completed the 50 pox gas mission penance.

[untold niche]

did u win @nocturne dust

[nocturne dust]

no

[untold niche]

ultimate bragging rights if you did ngl

[nocturne dust]

We were like 'we're tired of havocs, lets play an auric, it'll be easy!'

[untold niche]

i would try to sneak that into every convo ifi won

[thick venture]

You died for something greater than yourself

The emperor

[untold niche]

any time someone brings up mini monsters

[nocturne dust]

I did last the longest though

[untold niche]

"ah yeah that can get super cursed" "one time we had 8 at the start but somehow i won lol"

[nocturne dust]

Honestly, only reason it stopped is because we all died. Could've spawned more.

[untold niche]

usually it only spawns like 2 max for me

[buoyant maple]

I’m not sure if weakened monsters count as “specialists” or “elites” for talents

[nocturne dust]

The fun part is there was a true boss in there too

so it was 9

[untold niche]

i thought mini monsters just count as bosses

[nocturne dust]

they do

[untold niche]

time to test (meaning you)

[nocturne dust]

but they're weakened

so they're not 'true'

[buoyant maple]

Nah

I’m working on guide

[thick venture]

Defense is dodge limits

[buoyant maple]

Or might go play AC Odyssey again idk

[untold niche]

it varies by weapon,
iirc defense also affects attack speed.

[nocturne dust]

oh you're talking about for talents

[untold niche]

go play vt2

[buoyant maple]

Nah

Not interested

[thick venture]

How do I tell

[nocturne dust]

I think weakened bosses still count as bosses, but also I haven't checked and I won't bother.

[untold niche]

read the stats :v
if you want an example, just check out crusher weapon defense stats

[wind spruce]

5 by the end of the corridor on logistratum the other day

And it was a solo q into 3 bots

[untold niche]

they really should rename crusher

smite staff was a good rename

[nocturne dust]

It honestly wasn't too bad because I took gunker I think I could've survived if it weren't for the gas

[wind spruce]

Crushim

[thick venture]

I am at dodge limit it says
Dodge Limit : 4 [3.00 | 4.00]
What does that mean for a normal person?

[buoyant maple]

I’ve heard from someone that zealot’s crusher is canonically a psyker weapon

[untold niche]

the value can go from 3 to 4 i believe, you got the "4" value

[buoyant maple]

Not sure if true

[thick venture]

Is 4.00 the max?

[wind spruce]

Yep I won that day, fk you heretics

And I still had ammo left bc recon is great

[buoyant maple]

Means you get 4 dodges because your defense is higher than 51%

[thick venture]

How do I know what I'm missing out on?

[buoyant maple]

Well

[thick venture]

Is there a max I can see?

[buoyant maple]

Ideally u don’t want warp resist too high

[wind spruce]

There's a number that says what you're at

[buoyant maple]

Yes, it tells u “4”

[nocturne dust]

I would so take braced if it had the same crit strings that infantry does 😔

[thick venture]

(╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻

[buoyant maple]

Wouldn’t matter, finesse is bad

[nocturne dust]

I don't really take recon because I just use the gun for solely burst damage on bosses

[wind spruce]

Is infantry crit string still 3

[nocturne dust]

'gunker'

[nocturne dust]

5?

I think it's 5

[thick venture]

So this sword is booty rn?

[nocturne dust]

wat sword?

[wind spruce]

They nerfed it from 4

[nocturne dust]

they did?

[buoyant maple]

Mk5 and mk8 have 3

[thick venture]

Blaze Force Great Sword with Defense dump stat

[nocturne dust]

I mean

you want to dump warp res

[buoyant maple]

Excluding conditionally activated crit chance modifying talents
Veteran base: 5% (has talent node +5%, and Desperado +10% to melee weapon only)
Zealot base: 5%
Psyker base: 7.5% (has aura +5%, and talent node +5%)
Ogryn base: 2.5%

Melee weapons (almost all): +0%
Combat blade: +15%
Tactical axe (0~80% crit bonus): +0~12% (except Mk2’s L3 & SP2 being +0~7.5%)

Infantry lasgun: +5%
Helbore lasgun: +5%
Recon lasgun: +2% (2 crit string)
Heavy laspistol: +15%
Infantry autogun mk1: -2% (2 crit string)
Infantry autogun mk5 & mk8: -2% (3 crit string)
Braced autogun: -2% (2 crit string)
Vigilant autogun mk3: +0% (3 crit string)
Vigilant autogun mk7: +0%
Vigilant autogun mk9: +0% (2 crit string)
Shredder autopistol: -2% (3 crit string)
Spearhead boltgun: +5% only when ADS
Bolt pistol: +5%
Quickdraw stub revolver (0~80% crit bonus): +0~21%
Combat shotgun: +5% only for regular shots
Double-barrelled shotgun: +5%
Plasma gun: +5%

Heavy flamer: +0%

Electrokinetic staff (0~80% crit bonus): +0~21%
All other staffs: +0%

Twin-linked stubber: -2% (5 crit string)
Heavy stubber mk2a: -2%
Heavy stubber mk2 & mk3a (0~80% crit bonus): +0~11.6%
Rumbler: +5%
Kickback: +5%
Ripper gun: +0%
Grenadier gauntlet: +0%

Ur welcome

[nocturne dust]

but it's fine

[analog agate]

Is booty slang for good?

[thick venture]

Booty is slang for ass

[nocturne dust]

wat mk is Vraks

[analog agate]

Defense is still completely fine as dump stat

[buoyant maple]

5

[thick venture]

I thought it was only for guarding

I literally only press R2

[buoyant maple]

Defences does affect block stamina cost (not written)

But it’s mainly for dodge

And the thing is

Warp resist is totally useless on force sword

So might as well

[thick venture]

That hurts also

[nocturne dust]

Finesse doesn't matter if you don't hit weakspots and don't crit

[buoyant maple]

It also has pretty bad bullet spread

[thick venture]

I smack them in the head like Lucille

[nocturne dust]

Ogryn gameplay

[buoyant maple]

Well

They kill flak better than ogryn’s twin stubber

Achlys twin stubber took 20 shots to kill scab rager before they got carapace

Unusable mess outside of PBB

[nocturne dust]

It's fine

The ogryns won't complain

[thick venture]

Does Assail work well in Havoc?

[nocturne dust]

It's fine

Not great due to all the carapace but

like, the meta is two staves in Havoc. Anything else is going to be vastly inferior (but still playable)

[analog agate]

I need to try ep smite. I have yet to do it