psyker-class

[analog agate]

Shriek all the way

[hearty wolf]

https://discord.com/channels/727074276724965407/1032365652192792588

[analog agate]

I was wondering why I was doing so much more than you in the beginning lol

[nocturne dust]

I was constantly like "why are these guys suddenly not dying?"

[analog agate]

Cause I be resetting your shit

[nocturne dust]

"This isn't the right TTK "

[hearty wolf]

where

is

people

[patent mango]

is there videogames here

[zinc phoenix]

GAMERS

[nocturne dust]

I need a bit to feed my dogs

[zinc phoenix]

THEY CAME FOR GAMERS

[hearty wolf]

like 10m?

@strong gulch ?

[nocturne dust]

10-15, I also need a snack

[hearty wolf]

k

[strong gulch]

ye

[patent mango]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/958418404769943572/1079138602086301696/deaddoodle.gif

[strong gulch]

@analog agate @fiery stratus @nocturne dust https://youtu.be/AKtC84CJY4I

[fiery stratus]

https://tenor.com/view/metalocalypse-gif-7505981

[hearty wolf]

Holding ult and stimms for next game

Why did everyone do this xd

[analog agate]

😟

I tried getting out of that stupid corner

[strong gulch]

No time.

[analog agate]

DH in good spot

[strong gulch]

Only cry.

[analog agate]

I think I from now on I am just going to immediately hop off that edge too when I do a drop down. I have gotten screwed on that platform before

[hearty wolf]

@strong gulch coming btw?

[strong gulch]

Ye.

[strong gulch]

Waiting are we waitng on void? I will hop into vc after bathroom. brb

[hearty wolf]

ye

[patent mango]

how do i play this game

[marble crater]

Press F and win

[deft stump]

No no no, you nub, get hit in uprising. Also blow up self.

[marble crater]

I blew up in auric though, so it's fine

[patent mango]

8725919421

warhammer code

[deft stump]

That's why we in sedition diff. Cos you blew yourself up.

[strong gulch]

Was it me??

[patent mango]

nvm gotta go eat

[deft stump]

But really, going into lower diffs with maxed gear is funny in a way.

[hearty wolf]

https://discord.com/channels/727074276724965407/1032365652192792588

We need 1 more

Either for true survivor for bean

or white weapons only h40

[fiery stratus]

I can't rn. GL o7

[zinc phoenix]

I’ll be available in like 10m

[hearty wolf]

Not the 10 minute curse

we wait then

[zinc phoenix]

Tell my baby to sleep faster!

[strong gulch]

Yay upgrade. No more 12% health.

[zinc phoenix]

I’ve been slowly finding better toughness curios for my zealot with melkbucks but nothing that dramatic

[hearty wolf]

I have this in my zealot store

But my zealot kinda stacked to shit on curios

[zinc phoenix]

I have a billion curios on the zealot

80% are wounds

Melk belongs in the trash 😡

Also ima do it

Ima say it

we wouldn’t have wiped if you guys had been running stam curioooooooooos

😈

[nocturne dust]

I was tho

so you're wrong

[strong gulch]

I also was

[nocturne dust]

I normally run stam with knife/DS

[deft stump]

Excuse me.

Pretty sure I get flak for using +3 stam on Martyrdom zealot.

[nocturne dust]

@zinc phoenix you know what, just cuz you said that

I'm running FGS and no stam

[zinc phoenix]

NOOOOOOOOU

[nocturne dust]

well idk are we trying to true survivor for potato or doing a white weapons run

[real orbit]

What curios should I be stacking as a Pskyer? Been going for health since I feel squishy

[prime elk]

200 hp+ rest into toughness, 1 stam curio optional

For non havoc

[ocean grotto]

what's our best way to kill monstrosities?

[real orbit]

Oh yeah baybeh - ty @prime elk

[wispy bay]

Shoot it until it dies.

[fringe basin]

vraks V autogun is infantry or vigilant?

[ocean grotto]

shoot it with what

[wispy bay]

Seriously though, which mode?

Not seriously, staff doesn't have ammo, so you can shoot them and they will die eventually 🙂

[ocean grotto]

im still not very hard difficulty yet but I like to make carry builds for all my classes and the only thing I dont know what would be best for psyker is a way to deal with monstrosities

only lvl 21 so still on malice

but having difficulties killing monstrosities

[real orbit]

Shoot it with bolt pistol

[ocean grotto]

bolt pistol feels kinda slow but I guess it works

usually I would have my spearhead

[wispy bay]

Inferno staff can do good damage. EK is good if you can manage it.

[real orbit]

assail shards will get you there too if you have to solo the thing

[wispy bay]

Scrier with something like recon lasgun infernus works ok.

[ocean grotto]

ah I keep seeing recon on recommended builds

maybe I should finally give it a try

I do run scrier

[wispy bay]

Boltor with bleed can do well.

Though, many psyker talents benefit staff. So I would recommend staff more.

[wind spruce]

Assail is garbage vs monstrosities

[prime elk]

Infantry

Psyker monstrosity damage just isn’t great in general

Fastest might but Vraks with Scriers?

Idk

[analog agate]

I like las pistol for bossies

[wind spruce]

Best options against monstrosities are vraks for top dps, recon lasgun for ammo conservation and inferno for staff

Knife, duelling sword, FGS and some other melee weapons also handle them well.

[queen fog]

Be the flamer Tzeech The emperor wants you to be

[wispy bay]

Deimos light spam is good

[wind spruce]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9d3473c2-2875-40d5-b931-a40973eea02e/burn-gunker-2

This is great if you wanna try recon. Just swap out cruel fortune for one with the warp (I made it before the recent DD changes)

[wind spruce]

The emporer wants you to run gun psyker

[queen fog]

Gun psyker’s 1st scrier activation:

[wispy bay]

If they mean carrying as in soloing bosses, then psyker is not the best class to do it.

[thorn cedar]

focusing on dps when it comes to the soloing bosses conversation is a misnomer imo

obviously if its dead super fast thats great

but the time is pretty irrelevant if you just know how to fight them without taking a hit

[fringe basin]

If a mission fails is it safe to leave to skip the after-mission report?

[thorn cedar]

will i take more time to kill a pogryn as a psyker than as a vet? almost always
will i die? pretty much never

[ocean grotto]

thank you

lol the talent tree looks exactly the same as mine

[hearty wolf]

Anyone else to game?

[buoyant maple]

What mode

[hearty wolf]

h40 but I think @analog agate is joining?

Zealot relic blade block build

[analog agate]

in the middle of havoc

[buoyant maple]

U guys can play

I’m still benchmarking my game lol at least I think I know where it went wrong

[hearty wolf]

That's good news at least

it has been haunting you for awhile

[buoyant maple]

Basically
The “mesh LOD” setting in game

Has major implications on performance

[hearty wolf]

this?

[buoyant maple]

I think it was because I turned it up too much, plus the higher lighting quality setting I used, resulting in the game having to calculate way more shadows & render a lot more details which tanked the frame time

[buoyant maple]

Yea

[hearty wolf]

I will put it to 0.5

and see how it does

[buoyant maple]

In-game full render distance is whatever that number is, times 10

So for example

If you put it at 2.0

Game will render enemies’ shadows fully, up to 20m (if lighting quality is >low)

And all details

If the game’s rendering works in basic 3D spherical fashion (V = 0.75πr^3)
1.6 mesh LOD is like, almost 33 times the workload compared to 0.5 mesh LOD

1.0 LOD is around 8x the workload of 0.5 LOD

LOD = 0.5
V0.5 = 0.75π (0.5x10)^3 = 294.5

LOD = 1.0
V1.0 = 0.75π (1.0x10)^3 = 2,356.2 (8x)

LOD = 1.6 (what I had)
V1.6 = 0.75π (1.6x10)^3 = 9,651.0 (32.8x)

LOD = 2.0 (yours)
V2.0 = 0.75π (2.0x10)^3 = 18,849.5 (64x)

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/894568981946576916.gif?size=48&name=FloppaShake&quality=lossless

[zinc phoenix]

Does it only control shadow rendering?

[buoyant maple]

No it also affects object rendering

I think putting it on 1.0 is safe, for the most part

[zinc phoenix]

Oh.dang

[buoyant maple]

The shadow rendering distance is only noticeable in psykhanium

I couldn’t tell a difference in actual game

[zinc phoenix]

Altho it’s worth noting that while the game renders in a sphere most likely the enemies aren’t distributed evenly through the sphere

Unless something wild is going on with barrels 😂

[wind spruce]

I agree specifically in the conversation about vraks vs recon. Vraks has higher dps but recon lets you kill it more efficiently in terms of ammo and time spent focusing it. There's a balance to be found, though. Removing the highest threat enemies quickly stops you becoming overwhelmed.

[buoyant maple]

Also @zinc phoenix @hearty wolf I feel I need to tell u this but

<1.6 mesh LOD causes most cosmetics in the game to “bug out” and have holes in them (especially in gloves)

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/894568981946576916.gif?size=48&name=FloppaShake&quality=lossless

Because they’re rendered based on distance apparently

To combat this I’ve simply stopped using the cosmetics that don’t fully render at low LOD

(Moebian 53rd will render fully even at 0.5)

[zinc phoenix]

Woah that’s pretty mental

[buoyant maple]

I’m not sure how much other things impact this

Lighting quality on its own doesn’t seem to do that much

[hearty wolf]

So

On 0.5

I noticed no

uh

[buoyant maple]

Wot

[hearty wolf]

graphical difference

but I also noticed no performance change either

[strong gulch]

gg

thanks for games

[hearty wolf]

ggs

We continue my win spree another time

I want that number to keep going up

[strong gulch]

Next time, the games will be more cursed.

[hearty wolf]

It's a new shiny number to increase

I should have chorused

[strong gulch]

I could have interrupted the sniper too.

[hearty wolf]

I thought the pull out time to toughness gain would have been too late compared to revolver hotswapping

[strong gulch]

I just stared at my bubble cooldown.

[hearty wolf]

We shouldn't have been fighting their either way because we were exposed to 3 long range angles

Was mb for not calling that. It just felt too easy and all it took was one sniper to go pewpew

[strong gulch]

The lesson we should really learn is, "This is too easy, death is near."

Like when kids or pets are too quiet.

[hearty wolf]

xD

The game should just be harder

that way it would be easier

I had v.good performance on that gloriana and that map tho

[buoyant maple]

What framerate are u using

[hearty wolf]

183 and 155 specials each or smth

[thorn cedar]

is any scoreboard mod capable of like

straight up recording uptime of an ability

[hearty wolf]

Uncapped in game and I get around 110 with limited combat/progressing the map and about 60 in intense hordes

[buoyant maple]

Gotta go powerDI I’m afraid

[thorn cedar]

but does it do that

[buoyant maple]

Do u use frame gen

[hearty wolf]

no

[buoyant maple]

Probably?

[thorn cedar]

id still need someone to send me the files anyway lol

[hearty wolf]

The fake frames from frame gen

Do something to my input delay

Like I can tell when I press and the frame it was executed on

there is some kind of dissonance

[buoyant maple]

I have Nvidia reflex & low latency turned up and it’s a lot better

[thorn cedar]

frame gen absolutely increases input delay

[hearty wolf]

I have both of those

It's just if I add frame gen on top of that

The game feels like shit

[buoyant maple]

I can’t really feel it for some reason

[hearty wolf]

Like I'm lagging

[thorn cedar]

depends how much its generating

1/4 of all frames will be much less grating to play than 1/2 or more

[hearty wolf]

2x frames in my case for the most part

200 in non combat, around 100 in combat

[buoyant maple]

Frame gen is 2x of your capped framerate

[thorn cedar]

for me personally it always feel like absolute shit

and im not even playing at especially high frame rates

[buoyant maple]

I think almost every clip I’ve posted here is with frame gen on

[strong gulch]

In our last run, there were two times that my face was itchy and I took my hand off the keyboard to itch it. Both times a crusher showed up out of nowhere and tried to overhead me.

Deimos push attacked saved me. 😭

[hearty wolf]

They sense the weakness

That last section btw

Infested is

[thorn cedar]

that reads like a tacky shonen protag scene

[hearty wolf]

So much easier

[buoyant maple]

Are u on pc or laptop

[hearty wolf]

than scab there

[hearty wolf]

pc

[buoyant maple]

Maybe it’s cuz I’m on laptop

[hearty wolf]

Windows 11 too if that makes any difference

[buoyant maple]

I’m on win11 as well

Maybe just a laptop thing?

[thorn cedar]

i never upgraded off of Windows 95

this pc is so pure
if only it wasnt full of legacy viruses

you guys probably shouldnt be chatting in the same discord as me

[hearty wolf]

🤔

[strong gulch]

I think about the windows 95 screensavers a lot.
https://youtu.be/oRL5durPleI?si=0L6i7Vw_kisOiuNC

[buoyant maple]

I’m now wondering if I should turn ambient occlusion on

[strong gulch]

https://youtu.be/6kQLVPXOiDs?si=sFE6YSXeiBvZdCrB

[buoyant maple]

How much processing time would that increase hmm

[zinc phoenix]

That one was so good

[strong gulch]

The maze one makes me sick af now.

[thorn cedar]

pipes and haunted house were my favourite

[strong gulch]

@patent mango Idk if you wanted the rest of our melee blitz run, but I uploaded the other part.
https://youtu.be/BXR7DmpWMGM

[patent mango]

no way

warhammer darktide epic style

[strong gulch]

[hearty wolf]

wait

I'm in that

[strong gulch]

Were you? Forgot lmao

[hearty wolf]

Cass

That's me

That run tilted me iirc

Think I was hangry at the time

[plucky flax]

Only noob use square name

[strong gulch]

[][][][][][]

[split lance]

Then leave

[split lance]

That’s my secret

I’m always hangry

[plucky flax]

[split lance]

Where’d you get this video of me

My mom laughed and told me I was sitting like a pregnant woman

[plucky flax]

[wicked hornet]

how is trauma staff with both blessings warp nexus and warp flurry?

[nocturne dust]

More similar in power to Rending Trauma (Rending + Flurry) than Blaze Trauma (Blazing Spirit + Warp Nexus) but still worse than both

[summer prairie]

a bit better for selfish play I guess

than rending

[wicked hornet]

asking bc I saw a video of a Duo and the psyker was running it. maybe better for duo play instead of a team

idk?

[nocturne dust]

I would disagree

[summer prairie]

if the other player doesn't benefit much from rending, it's better and more crits is safer

[nocturne dust]

Crits are nice but the effect is largely the same considering you get rending on every hit

[summer prairie]

but what does rending exactly do for you

[nocturne dust]

gives you minor bonus damage against specific targets

[summer prairie]

your flak and carapace can go from 0.75 to 1, but crits are also +30% damage, I guess it depends

[potent echo]

Rending might be better in havoc

[summer prairie]

maniac and unyielding are already 1.0

[potent echo]

Blaze trauma still works though

[nocturne dust]

we're not talking about blaze trauma

we're talking about nexus + flurry

[potent echo]

Oh flurry nexus

One thing to consider about rending is it applies in the max aoe

[keen solar]

I don't see the point no

[potent echo]

So it's really good for shotgun clumps

[keen solar]

The rending blessing is kinda just too good

For Trauma

[potent echo]

Because you can oneshot shotgunners with noncrit at max brittle

That's like the main breakpoint that's great for brittle trauma

[keen solar]

Well also because it just makes all DOTS way better

Bleed, Soulbaze, Fire

[potent echo]

True

[summer prairie]

for SB it only makes carapace dots better

[keen solar]

A Shredder Frag Grenade Vet and a Trauma Psyker walk into a pack of Crushers

[potent echo]

Crushers yea

[keen solar]

I don't need to finish the joke

[potent echo]

But what vet is throwing frags against crushers lol

[keen solar]

Clearly you don't own an airfryer

[potent echo]

Air fryers suck it's a mini convection oven

[keen solar]

(Frag Grenades can do very good Carapace damage if you build them right, a Trauma Psyker with that Blessing is the cherry on top.)

[nocturne dust]

Toaster oven

[wind spruce]

The mini-ness is a pretty key difference in the pros department (aswell as the cons)

[strong gulch]

Was it j_sat? He doesn't need meta. Too good at the game.

[plucky flax]

You'll do more damage with flurry nexus.

I guess less teammates = less effectiveness from 40% brittleness.

[summer prairie]

not entirely sure about that

in havoc density you also get decent dps benefit from brittle

[strong gulch]

They are quick and friendly for the chronically ill and executive disfunction folks tho.

Flurry nexus for trauma does make sense (to me) for speed running tho. Go fast enough that things despawn and have crits for quick skirmishes.

[summer prairie]

it's +10% against non-flak/carapace too

[wicked hornet]

yes that's who it was

[summer prairie]

+10% for your dots too when rending is up

[nocturne dust]

[strong gulch]

Bleed trauma

[nocturne dust]

Isn't soulblaze's carapace ADM 0.1?

[summer prairie]

if only bleed stacks didn't go away in a blink

yes, but I meant non-carapace dots

[strong gulch]

true

Instant 16 like chainaxe please

[nocturne dust]

and also, averaging the crit bonus, if it's 30% extra damage and 20% crit chance, that's 0.2*0.3=0.06 or 6% extra damage on average, no?

[summer prairie]

something like that assuming you get no additional benefit from perfect timing

[patent jacinth]

1.3x1.6

[nocturne dust]

Hm?

where's the 1.6 from?

[patent jacinth]

My poor eyesight

1.2x1.3

[nocturne dust]

no

you don't add 1s to both chances

[patent jacinth]

Wait are you talking about finesse bonus

[nocturne dust]

I'm talking about the damage the trauma staff gains from a crit as a percentage

[patent jacinth]

Oh ok that set of stats read like Scriers at 30

[nocturne dust]

It's a 30% bonus, but (supposing) you only have a 20% chance to crit, it's active only 20% of the time so it's 0.2*0.3

[patent jacinth]

This finally makes sense you are right and I am fucking tired

[nocturne dust]

more realistically with warp nexus, it's probably a little less than 30% chance to crit iirc so would come out to a bit less than 9% on average

[summer prairie]

you do also use lmb with trauma, and that benefits from nexus, but it's probably a negligible % of your total damage

[nocturne dust]

true

what's the bonus damage rending gives once the ADM is 1?

[summer prairie]

40%*0.25=10%

[nocturne dust]

and you still have some crits too so it's not actually 9%, but it also makes sense as the brittleness doesn't apply to everything

although it applies to almost everything that matters

I wonder how deep Fatshark gets into the math when balancing

[wind spruce]

Flurry nexus made more sense when mettle was an instant bar refill

[cosmic sigil]

it staggers crushers

and reduce the density around them

[strong gulch]

I want it back so badly.

[patent jacinth]

It’s an microwave sized oven

It does oven things in micro wave scale and time

[nocturne dust]

toaster oven

[wind spruce]

Literally everything I make cooks in 10-20. It's so nice 😌

[radiant frigate]

that's not whinging

[radiant frigate]

fatshark balances?

[nocturne dust]

https://tenor.com/view/toy-story-mr-potato-head-i-can-dream-cant-i-dream-dreaming-gif-5083018

[wicked hornet]

@nocturne dust do you have a link to a blazing trauma staff for Auric

[zinc phoenix]

You really only need blaze and warp nexus for auric

There are a few different options for the perks

Crit chance, flak, maniac, carapace

[wicked hornet]

I meant build for perk tree

[nocturne dust]

Gameslantern is being weird and not loading images but this should give you a picture

The fact I know every talent position by memory 😭

[zinc phoenix]

There are a few alternative options too

[nocturne dust]

True, some are more preferential than others

[zinc phoenix]

Wildfire in particular you can yeet off for empathic evasion

[nocturne dust]

But this is one of the most damaging Blaze Trauma builds you can have, only getting moreso if you dump highly valuable defensive nodes like soulstealer and KD

[zinc phoenix]

Yeah that’s another way to go

[nocturne dust]

I maintain that Wildfire is incredibly useful for every soulblaze build

[zinc phoenix]

I think it’s good but it’s ok to trade damage for survivability

[nocturne dust]

Could it be better? yes. Should it be? Eh

Maybe it should be better just so people stop telling me it sucks 😭

[zinc phoenix]

Also trauma plays ok with a build that goes assail/ shriek/dd and that also lets you go harder into melee

Tricky to build tho

[nocturne dust]

I mean, every staff can be pretty variable

[wicked hornet]

so what would be a more survivable for that build?

[nocturne dust]

They're all strong enough that they'll be fine otherwise

[nocturne dust]

That's a dangerous line of thinking

[zinc phoenix]

I would consider that a more survivable version of it

[radiant frigate]

there is no shame in proficiency, sibling

[nocturne dust]

because survivability can be a crutch

buuuuuuuut

[zinc phoenix]

Don’t do it

Don’t put shield in there 😂

[radiant frigate]

I'm going to put shield in there

[zinc phoenix]

Creeping flames on shriek is very big for damage

[wicked hornet]

I have internet issues and that's the cause to most of my problems. wont be fixed for another month I think.

[zinc phoenix]

Paralyzing critical, I am slain

[zinc phoenix]

There is no survivability change that can fix your internet going to poop

[strong gulch]

Just one point. Only 1 wall and doesn't stun specials.

[radiant frigate]

if only you had +5 AC (or rather, warding flare)

[wicked hornet]

so anything to help me live. Like why doesn't trauma builds take 6 warp charges?

[zinc phoenix]

Paying a trait point for 2 warp charges is expensive

[radiant frigate]

not sure you build them quickly enough for that to matter

[nocturne dust]

If you want maximum defense, it would be something like this absurdity WHICH I DO NOT RECOMMEND BECAUSE ER IS INCREDIBLY USEFUL ON TRAUMA:

[zinc phoenix]

Oh lawd it’s filthy filth

[radiant frigate]

very dörty

[zinc phoenix]

And also you should swap warp charges for DD

[strong gulch]

Mettle nerf plus using ER means another toughness gen option is needed. Also, you often shriek before getting all 6 warp charges back.

[radiant frigate]

hell yeah

[wicked hornet]

I'm only asking bc I've taken builds and never understood why I take certain nodes over others. I'm learning but some I still don't understand the thinking behind it.

[nocturne dust]

warp battery only increases your max, you will rarely get to your max at higher difficulties because your ability will be off cooldown and you will use it

[radiant frigate]

get into buildcraft
experiment
tweak
find the things you like

enjoy right NOW ⚡

[nocturne dust]

It's not terrible as a node and can be used, but it often has a very negligible effect

and warp siphon is mainly used for the cooldown anyway

[strong gulch]

If mettle filled toughness like it used to on trauma, I would take 6 warp charges for when I get them back quickly.

But we have nerfed mettle now.

[nocturne dust]

the bonus damage is nice but not the purpose of warp siphon

[wicked hornet]

Thank you for info and builds guys.

[radiant frigate]

sarp wiphon

[nocturne dust]

Also, if you lag a lot, you can be like me and abuse Kinetic Deflection

[radiant frigate]

what if dclaw main because lag

parry the world

[nocturne dust]

Just switch to melee and block while trying to dodge your way out of a mess and you will survive unholy situations that make anyone else explode into bloody paste

[zinc phoenix]

The first build is about putting warp fire on everything while allowing you to block with peril (which you can convert to fire), increase your damage with peril and use crits (which you increase the likelihood of with more peril) to increase your damage and toughness and warp fire spread. There are also some perks that give you more warp fire for killing particular enemies or spreads it around when things die instead of it disappearing. Finally there are utility picks like quietude which let you trade peril for toughness or do other useful things like reduce cooldowns for your team when you kill specials. But the core flow of the build is to play at high peril for better performance across the board + shriek onto groups of enemies for more fire (thereby consuming the peril)

[nocturne dust]

(take a stam curio if you're on dueling sword or knife though)

[radiant frigate]

zealots get turned into paste but then spontaneously reform into something person-shaped

[nocturne dust]

Yeah, psyker has three builds, but the third is really only for Havoc due to Havoc shenanigans

[zinc phoenix]

There are a couple doable cross tree builds

[nocturne dust]

The first is the 'soulblaze solves everything' solution and the second is the 'crits and weakspots solve everything' solution

[strong gulch]

Beware of the sub 410 +3 curios. If you see a 400 +3 stam, it's actually a +2.

[zinc phoenix]

The third is “fuck I need bubble or I’m gonna dieeeeee”

[nocturne dust]

three meta builds, I should say

[radiant frigate]

like melee psyker with shriek (epic)

[zinc phoenix]

And the fourth is “assail and shriek are good, dd is also good!”

[nocturne dust]

I mean

[wicked hornet]

wow thank you for this explanation. That made some things click.

[nocturne dust]

That build is literally gunker still

just with shriek

cuz shriek

[radiant frigate]

not if i remove the gun and replace with a staff

[strong gulch]

Assail trauma with shriek and DD (but you can't play it anymore because ER ruined you)

[wicked hornet]

would it be bad if I exchanged wildfire for EE? or is that something I shouldn't rely on and just dodge and dodge slide

[zinc phoenix]

We’ve had a lot of time with the concept, that particular build has been around since the change to the build system. It’s also the closest to the classic style of psyker, back when we only had brain burst, shriek and warp charges. So there’s been a lot of time to think about it 😂

[radiant frigate]

ER would ruin me in other ways

[nocturne dust]

Eeeehhhhh

[radiant frigate]

(i get bonked and die-perish)

[nocturne dust]

EE isn't up consistently enough that it becomes a crutch, thankfully

unless you're ammo dumping 100% of the time on vraks/recon

[zinc phoenix]

I prefer it with EE, others prefer wildfire. Wildfire lets you stack soulblaze on lots of stuff you aren’t attacking yet, EE lets you play much more recklessly around gunners

Yeah the uptime isn’t consistent but it’s pretty good

[strong gulch]

EE is really only recomended on inferno/ purg or guns (that shoot fast and a lot)

[nocturne dust]

I think EE is a bit overrated outside of faster weapons, like, it's definitely not something you can rely on

[zinc phoenix]

It’s reliableish

[nocturne dust]

and trauma is slow

[zinc phoenix]

Anyway left click exists

[potent echo]

Definitely not on trauma lol

[nocturne dust]

Banned

[zinc phoenix]

When I want to duel gunners with ee I primarily left click the buggers

[potent echo]

Left click suppression is more than enough most of the time

[radiant frigate]

EE is good if you have sg or high RoF guns or high crit melee or all three

[potent echo]

EE not that required

[zinc phoenix]

Also when you’re meleeing EE is quite nice

[potent echo]

It saved my havoc 40 run on the new map

[nocturne dust]

I take EE in Havoc only because toughness is nonsense

[potent echo]

The end barrier will always spawn reapers everywhere

[nocturne dust]

although

[wicked hornet]

I do use knife with a stam+3 curio

[potent echo]

Suppressed them long enough to win the map

[nocturne dust]

I'm so tempted to take my toughness stacking build I designed earlier that dumps Warp Siphon just to get near normal levels of toughness in Havoc

[zinc phoenix]

Oh well now you’ve opened the Great Debate again 😂

[wicked hornet]

which I do find I get the hell out of the way of gunners

[potent echo]

Is there a debate

[zinc phoenix]

Stam curios are extremely controversial on psyker

[nocturne dust]

That was never a debate tho

[potent echo]

Just spam push attack and win

[nocturne dust]

no

[strong gulch]

If you do warp nexus + SG trauma I can keep EE up a lot more than I was anticipating, but that is a meme build.

[radiant frigate]

"you have to be at least this close to hurt me" is great

[nocturne dust]

You're mistaken Oddball

You're thinking of stam regen

which is trash

[wicked hornet]

what I do

[nocturne dust]

on psyker

[zinc phoenix]

Stam regen is AMAZING

[nocturne dust]

[zinc phoenix]

No

[potent echo]

Spotted the non kinetic user

[radiant frigate]

i am a stam regen denier on psyker

[zinc phoenix]

both

[nocturne dust]

Imagine not having Kinetic Deflection

[radiant frigate]

purely because of KD

[potent echo]

Man's achieving true cardio

[radiant frigate]

absolute core talent imo

[nocturne dust]

+9 stam, KD, deflector, 3 stam regen, 3 block efficiency, 3 sprint efficiency, stam and block efficiency on weapon

[potent echo]

The 6 stam on FGS is really nice though

[wicked hornet]

I feel attacked

[nocturne dust]

https://tenor.com/view/jane-the-virgin-petra-solano-stamina-you-just-have-to-build-up-you-stamina-building-up-stamina-gif-16540719565824176035

[zinc phoenix]

I’m just saying if you like playing at high peril stam curio and stam regen let you get away with it even in situations where you are under attack and can’t/don’t have shriek

[nocturne dust]

Fair

but I find high peril to be very overblown

I'll stay at my comfy 50%

[vernal temple]

reading all of that already put me out of breath

[radiant frigate]

always shriek in perilous situations

in game or otherwise

[nocturne dust]

I don't shriek

I just grunt angrily

[wicked hornet]

this is basically my EK build

[nocturne dust]

stupid trappers with their nets phasing through carapace. Stupid hounds and bursters ignoring pushes.

[radiant frigate]

GAH

we HATES it

[nocturne dust]

I mean, the soulblaze build is the same for every staff (except Voidstrike)

[radiant frigate]

we HATES it with a passion, we does

[nocturne dust]

well, largely the same

[nocturne dust]

https://tenor.com/view/gollum-hates-land-before-time-dino-we-hates-it-gif-10569299

[strong gulch]

The silliness. #zealot-class message

[radiant frigate]

trapper is dishonest

[nocturne dust]

I dunno what that gif is even from

[radiant frigate]

hookrat at least had morals

[zinc phoenix]

70s hobbit movie

[nocturne dust]

Idk

I never got good enough to dodge hookrat

[patent jacinth]

Oh you don’t I thought you were just old enough to know

That’s the original animated gollum

[nocturne dust]

It was either hit them from afar or pray your team has a brain cell between them

[nocturne dust]

I'm a young and hip kid

[radiant frigate]

aye but hookrat is honest enough to walk at you in a straight line

[nocturne dust]

https://tenor.com/view/how-do-you-do-fellow-kids-steve-buscemi-30rock-fellow-kids-one-of-us-gif-21904018

[radiant frigate]

no fucked up angles like trapper

no yoink through a chaos patrol

[nocturne dust]

I did suspect

I kinda want to watch that at some point

[patent jacinth]

I’ve had the honor and misfortune of doing so

[radiant frigate]

i have not

[patent jacinth]

There’s a reason nobody knows it exists

[radiant frigate]

i still have 2 years before my bones start turning into dust

[patent jacinth]

My bones have decided jelly is preferable over powder

[strong gulch]

Mine did that in my teens and became a real problem in my 20s.

[radiant frigate]

truly you are enlightened

[strong gulch]

old before my time

[patent jacinth]

Love getting fucked over permanently by my specific genetic cocktail of bad

[radiant frigate]

somewhere nearby a necromancer is casting curse of years on you

you should find him and put him in the ground

[wicked hornet]

so on a EK build would EE be good or is it about the same as Trauma

[strong gulch]

Such dedication tbh

[radiant frigate]

better because EK crits more

also is faster

[nocturne dust]

I want to go back to when I was twelve and invincible

[patent jacinth]

Twelve year old me was terrible I am never going back

[radiant frigate]

are you feeling vincible now?

[zinc phoenix]

Make a child and enjoy seeing the world through their eyes

Obviously with a neuralink

[strong gulch]

Better but still inconsistent enough not to take. You also quickly stun and kill shooters all while being more mobile and dodge sliding.

So it can proc it more while "needing" it less.

[nocturne dust]

https://tenor.com/view/invincible-title-card-blood-splatter-gif-21530878

[strong gulch]

Fall down stairs for fun and scaling the walls in the hallways.

[radiant frigate]

i would hate to be 12 again

[nocturne dust]

I literally rode box lids down stairs as a child

sledding but vastly more dangerous

[strong gulch]

I just tossed myself.

[nocturne dust]

Never crashed as far as I can recall though (The concussions made me forget)

[strong gulch]

I would hate it, but I would opt into being 12 again.

[radiant frigate]

pourquoi

[nocturne dust]

Depends

[strong gulch]

So I could go through a different puberty.

[nocturne dust]

Am I twelve but still have to do adult things

or am I twelve twelve and get to be a kid

[radiant frigate]

do you have new and exciting ideas on how you can mess up your life in different ways?

[nocturne dust]

I have new and exciting ideas on how I can game the future

Time to invest in bitcoin

[radiant frigate]

gaming

[strong gulch]

Time to tell the doctor of the pending problems.

[radiant frigate]

but if you are a potato today, what would you be at age 12?

[nocturne dust]

"Yeah, so in about 10 years I'm going to develop IBS"
"What's IBS?"

[strong gulch]

a tot

[grim hedge]

how does empowered assail really works for skilled in psykana (kill 250 elites/specials using ability empowered by psyionics) penance? If we take the one where we can have 3 stacks of Empowered Psyionics, does it mean only the first 3 shard of Assail got empowered?

[late sapphire]

Yes, but if you take the subnode that gives you a stack on elite kill you can use those 3 shards to refresh empowered shards

If there are enough shotgunners and gunners you can just keep throwing

[grim hedge]

thanks for the info, brother

[brazen rampart]

Psykers, I venture here with one single question.

Does empyric shock work with purg staff?

[strong gulch]

No

[vernal temple]

no point in further empowerment, right?

[cosmic sigil]

right

i just spent 1M to get a 32 warp resist bfg

[vernal temple]

this one actually had 0 warp res when I bought it, but for some reason the game would not charge it to Mk VI until after I empowered it a bit

figured might as well get the necessary stats to 80 and leave warp res at whatever

[hearty wolf]

I'm on like fuck all sleep again but

The thought that kept me awake

Was that sniper xd

Dude turned off his laser and locked him

He's had enough of getting insta 1tapped

New havoc 40 modifier

Snipers have no laser

They stop being dumb

Also no flash when they fire

[summer prairie]

all enemies have laser

or shooters at least

[hearty wolf]

Got to look at their fingers

[hearty wolf]

Well no lasers that are as blindingly visible

[summer prairie]

I mean a new modifier that makes them have laser

different colors too

[marble crater]

Don't they already have a laser because they fire so quickly and much?

[radiant frigate]

yes but if that laser is on you, you already dead

[upper sun]

tbh they should have a bigger cooldown for switching targets

i feel like if they aim at a teammate they can fire at me more quickly

or nah you know what

if trappers can be hit scan make snipers hit scan and only single target

[radiant frigate]

trappers 😡

[nocturne dust]

https://tenor.com/view/laser-rave-party-concert-audience-gif-16998132

[hearty wolf]

Hit scan trappers sounds funny lmao

Imagine they didn't have a range limit

What if when reapers died

Other units could pick up their gun

DAKADAKADAKA

Plague Ogryn picks up reaper minigun

[nocturne dust]

the poxwalker:

https://tenor.com/view/recoil-gif-10190516

[radiant frigate]

https://tenor.com/view/hasta-la-vista-terminated-terminal-hands-up-robot-gif-2375270387488086455

[hearty wolf]

All they need to do is fire one round into poxburster and it's over for you

Big boolet

[stuck sinew]

Aren't they already hitscan? They just delay their shots

[weary crane]

Does surge have high finesse modifier?

[upper sun]

idk im just complaining to complain tbh

[hearty wolf]

You can see the net travelling if you're at distance and definitely can be cucked by travel time

It's relatively fast and they tend to use it at close proximity anyway so you don't notice it as much but it's definitely something you can notice in game

[upper sun]

make nets pushable

[hearty wolf]

Just cut them

Slice

[potent echo]

Unexpected thunder hammer nerf

[nocturne dust]

I know it has extra crit

[upper sun]

🚬 time to wait till rolling slop expires from the mission terminal

[nocturne dust]

https://tenor.com/view/sad-fade-fade-away-disappear-evaporate-gif-16638726229780416323

[mental rock]

I think he meant snipers

[upper sun]

aaaaaaaaaaaaaaAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

I STILL GOT IT

[nocturne dust]

rekt

suffer

[upper sun]

game crashed

[hearty wolf]

Oh yeah right

Reading comprehension hard

Well when playing on NA ping, they're both

Maybe the bullet going through the air just persists

[potent echo]

Game seems to suffer a little if playing at 100ms

[nocturne dust]

From what I've seen and heard, it's not so bad if you have consistently bad ping, but if your ping jumps around the game goes insane

and of course, the game's netcode really likes to make that ping shake like a maraca

[jovial juniper]

~0.3 across the board

[stuck sinew]

I meant snipers

[hearty wolf]

Oops

[cold geode]

My favorite is the progressive desync that eventually ends in you disconnecting. At each desync the game has larger/longer complete freezes in fps.

I actually dumped an entire match to disk where it was happening with the intention of dropping it on the bug report forums. Though I'm lazy af.

[marble crater]

If I would report every crash I get Fatshark wouldn't get anything else done

[wind spruce]

I am a fraud

[wind spruce]

EE is pure garbage on blaze trauma

Takes more than a second to charge trauma and you're at max 37.5% crit (42.5% with prescience). You're barely scratching 1/3 coverage.

[zinc phoenix]

Being immune to ranged fire for like a third of the time is pretty good

And gives you a lot of opportunities to move

Also, left click and melee exist and both can take advantage of it

If you don’t like it, that’s fine

Everyone has different preferences

[wind spruce]

Not really that useful for RMB spam, 1/3 coverage might aswell be nothing because you can't rely on it. Especially in havoc. Melee its not relevant on blaze trauma either because you're never going to be light attacking unless you don't understand the build. I'll give you LMB though

[zinc phoenix]

Meh, sometimes it’s safer to push with melee and stab a few things than do even a low charge trauma boop

Like, gameplay is complex and messy

Sure ideally you’d just do the trauma on feet stuff

[summer prairie]

it's not even close to 1/3 coverage, maybe if you grenade cancel

[wind spruce]

Ok, but stabbing things isn't going to give you relevant levels of coverage either

[zinc phoenix]

But if there’s a mutie coming and you need to push a burster

Then youll be in melee anyway for a bit

I don’t think I need total immunity to ranged damage to get value out of the trait

[summer prairie]

of course you don't have to full charge when you are just trying to get procs to reposition or whatever, still didn't feel good for rmb, maybe it can be good for melee/lmb

[zinc phoenix]

I just think it’s a good optional pick like +2 warp charges or wildfire

They all have merits

[wind spruce]

In that situation you aren't going to be attacking more than twice

[zinc phoenix]

As part of a blaze trauma build

[zinc phoenix]

Wow you can read my future AND my mind 😂

[wind spruce]

You're taking more than two attacks to kill a mutie and burster?

[zinc phoenix]

If I’ve got a couple bruisers on me I’ll probably shank them, push the burster and then shank the mutie

Like that’s all I’m saying here, gameplay situations are complex and no one is 100% only using the right click

[wind spruce]

So 4 attacks over, say, 5s. Maximum 37.5% crit if you have riposte up. Average of 1.5 procs.

Seems bad

[jovial juniper]

You'd become a doomer

Fr fr

[summer prairie]

not that you need full coverage for it to be worth considering

[zinc phoenix]

If you don’t like short periods of ranged immunity you don’t have to take it

I like it more than wildfire so I take it

[wind spruce]

You need close to full coverage to take it over other options, though

[dull osprey]

bruh

is DD bugged again?

[summer prairie]

maybe, what if instead it said 20% less ranged damage

[nocturne dust]

hi

[plucky flax]

Always has been.

[dull osprey]

have the 10 sec talent on and it folds in 4 sec

[nocturne dust]

it me

[zinc phoenix]

No but the buff bar never shows it

[nocturne dust]

Always RMB

[dull osprey]

it shows now but i lose hte stacks in 4 sec instead of 10

[wind spruce]

With a different uptime?

[zinc phoenix]

You’re the RMB it’s you

Oh man I bet you could do a whole Taylor Swift parody with that

[summer prairie]

the point being you are still getting benefit out of it even when it's only active 20% of the time, but with rmb you are struggling to reach even that

[marble crater]

I would also spend a lot of time sending in bug reports. Yesterday I crashed, joined again, walked 10m and crashed again

[nocturne dust]

In more serious fairness, I don't always RMB but it is very typical I go most encounters without ever pulling out anything else. I'll just leave muties and such to the team and focus on everything else first.

[frosty forge]

I'm taking suggestions at this point.

Anyone got a build involving the Devil Claw sword?

Looking for something that lets me reduce my enemies health to 0 while keeping mine above 0 👌

[nocturne dust]

Kinda the job of trauma to knockdown all the stuff that can be

[nocturne dust]

Step 1: Take Kinetic Deflection
Step 2: Take a +3 Stamina Curio
Step 3: Parry

[zinc phoenix]

I tend to mostly RMB with it too, complete with walking thru mosh pits while blasting my feet

[frosty forge]

Sweet, any other suggested talents?

[zinc phoenix]

But I’ve also, like, seen a reaper doom blast zip right past me because EE was up many times

And I like seeing that so I take it 😂

[nocturne dust]

🤷‍♂️ I mean, you can go the right side meleeker route but if all you're doing is parrying it's whatever

[upper sun]

id go flak stamina on the dclaw tbh

[nocturne dust]

Your only danger is ranged and overheads getting through your parry because a poxwalker ate it first

[weary crane]

Does psykinetic aura work while gaze is active too? Same as warp charges?

[nocturne dust]

[upper sun]

more stamina more parry

[nocturne dust]

Do not take stam on the weapon

[zinc phoenix]

A thing can only have reduced cooldown when it is cooling down

[upper sun]

on dclaw its fine

[nocturne dust]

It already suffers enough that it needs perks

[upper sun]

and defence deimos

nuh uh

[nocturne dust]

Dclaw's damage is arse

[upper sun]

yeah true

[nocturne dust]

Just take a stam curio and 2 damage perks

I take flak and maniac iirc

[frosty forge]

Block efficiency any good as a perk?

[upper sun]

no

[nocturne dust]

no

[frosty forge]

fair

[nocturne dust]

I mean

it's good for memes

[upper sun]

unless you're going for a meme build

[zinc phoenix]

Only for one specific ogryn build is it good

[nocturne dust]

[summer prairie]

+2 stamina is just much better

[vernal temple]

what if I only use my melee for block with deflector?

[nocturne dust]

Uuuhhhh

[vernal temple]

[weary crane]

But warp charges work

[upper sun]

exactly

[nocturne dust]

I hope they mean block eff as a curio substat

and not a weapon perk

[zinc phoenix]

I also have a sword of cowardice that is a deimos with stam, block efficiency and deflector

[nocturne dust]

ew

[upper sun]

behold

[nocturne dust]

who even needs that much stamina with KD

[vernal temple]

so block efficiency on weapon still bad even if the only intension of the weapon is blocking?

[upper sun]

nah

i use it on defence deimos

[nocturne dust]

Don't only use your melee weapon for blocking

[upper sun]

he doesnt know

hes a non knower

bro is oblivious

[nocturne dust]

pray tell or pray shut

[upper sun]

defence deimos

[frosty forge]

Mobility the ideal dump stat for it?

[upper sun]

u can blonk

[nocturne dust]

is bad

[upper sun]

nuh uh

[nocturne dust]

no, warp res is

[frosty forge]

for DC

[upper sun]

for force weapons warp rec

[nocturne dust]

ah

[upper sun]

yeah for declaw mobility

[nocturne dust]

yeah, mob for DC

[frosty forge]

Sweet

[marble crater]

This guy doesn't know that DC doesn't have a warp res stat

[dull osprey]

now do tripple 3stam curio with 12% block

[frosty forge]

bet

[nocturne dust]

This guy doesn't know you can unlock warp res as a stat on every weapon as a Psyker after the 2027 buff

[upper sun]

im afraid honda has a monopoly on those builds

[nocturne dust]

[vernal temple]

why would I need it for anything else when I can do everything else with my trauma staff?

[marble crater]

I want force dueling swords, fatshark please

[nocturne dust]

Trauma can't handle bosses

[upper sun]

YOU

WAIT

they sped up the deimos special

since WHEN

[nocturne dust]

wat

[vernal temple]

true, I pull out my melee only during bosses and if I need to waddle from cover to cover while under enemy fire

[dull osprey]

u kinda need +maniac to tap muties tho

since it takes forever to kill a mutie with trauma

[nocturne dust]

also true

[upper sun]

Try deimos special right now and tell me its not sped up

[nocturne dust]

uuuhhh I can't

I going to bed

[upper sun]

ngmi.....

[nocturne dust]

or should be already asleep really

[upper sun]

do u want a video?

[nocturne dust]

sure

[upper sun]

the arm moves way faster

[dull osprey]

u just have more fps in grinder brodda

[frosty forge]

Hmm

[vernal temple]

https://tenor.com/view/epic-embed-fail-ryan-gosling-cereal-embed-failure-laugh-at-this-user-gif-20627924

[upper sun]

wrong

[frosty forge]

😮

[marble crater]

Need red name, chat more

[frosty forge]

Ahh

[upper sun]

fps constant 60

[frosty forge]

I only tend to appear here when I require assistance

[marble crater]

Require more assistance then

[upper sun]

oh my god

[frosty forge]

So it would seem

[upper sun]

they added special light 2

this shit is NOT the same

[nocturne dust]

The first one does seem faster

[upper sun]

they did something bruh

it has specials for L1 and L2 now

[nocturne dust]

the others also look faster as well

[upper sun]

and L3???

[nocturne dust]

but more like it skips an animation?

Mmmmmmmm, I'm a bit too sleep deprived for this

[frosty forge]

Rest brother

[vernal temple]

ask your beloved

[old matrix]

Whoever made Defy Fate and Warp Battery as penances needs to be put in a Pentiment Engine

[vernal temple]

[old matrix]

It's just frustrating being close but you can't seem to get it

[upper sun]

no one tell him about ogryn penances

[vernal temple]

wasn't warp battery the one where you need to hold max charges for 120 seconds?

wasn't it 300 seconds before?

[old matrix]

I stopped playing Ogryn after reaching level 30

I checked his penances and some I do not like at all

[dull osprey]

BROOOOOOOOOOO WHY IS DD NEVER WORK AS INTENDED

JUST 1 PATCH PLEASE

ONE

[marble crater]

It was

[vernal temple]

yeah I remember sweating my balls off trying to get that. elevators and air locks were the bane of my existence

[summer prairie]

it works fine except for the buff icon

[vernal temple]

max charges for FIVE MINUTES

[summer prairie]

without mods

[old matrix]

That Dev is a Slaanishnite who feeds on that desire and loss of the penances

[summer prairie]

but the icon not working isn't a DD problem but a general problem

[marble crater]

Enclavum Baross, HISTG is your friend for this penance. How I did it

[vernal temple]

the zealot's "Shocking Stuff" penance is also a pain in the ass

[upper sun]

nothing spawned for months

i would have never gotten it if agent didnt offer to let me farm penances while he went afk

[stuck sinew]

It was also just brain burst kills that gave warp charges, not elites specifically

[vernal temple]

for me by far the worst class penance to complete was probably that veteran's one, where you need to crabwalk the entire mission

[dull osprey]

thats stupidly easy

make a priv game in central asia which is allways empty go sit in an event for 30min and shoot

[vernal temple]

yeah but my left pinky hurt so much from pressing Ctrl for so long

[dull osprey]

if only there were a toggle option for this

wink wink

[vernal temple]

me, who still uses default controls

[nocturne dust]

which one is ctrl by default

[old matrix]

OI

[marble crater]

What helped me with that penance was knowing that melee counts as well. Power Sword goes brrrr

[vernal temple]

left ctrl is crouch

[nocturne dust]

ah

yeah toggle is awful for that

I switched it to the b key so my thumb can do it

That made it way more manageable

[vernal temple]

my fingers when I run and slide at the same time:
middle finger holds down W
pinky finger holds down Left Shift
thumb taps Left Ctrl to slide

[stuck sinew]

You don't have to do that though lmao

[vernal temple]

try to recreate that lmao

[stuck sinew]

I did it playing mostly normally, just ran extra stacks so losing 1 or 2 while moving didn't matter

[nocturne dust]

wtf

your thumb is broken bro

[vernal temple]

[marble crater]

Or will be soon

[nocturne dust]

I used to use pinky for ctrl and 4th finger for shift

It worked but gradually started hurting me

which is why I switched to b

[deft stump]

Can't be as bad as controller without paddles. You can't even move camera doing it, lul.

[nocturne dust]

took a good while to get used to b tho

[vernal temple]

imagine using a controller

[nocturne dust]

so many times I tried to slide and did nothing

[stuck sinew]

I use alt for crouch personally

Use thumb

[nocturne dust]

Yuck

[stuck sinew]

It's right next to the funny jump button it's easy

[nocturne dust]

I can't imagine any way to sanely press alt with your thumb while keeping your fingers over WASD

[stuck sinew]

I have large hands

[vernal temple]

fairly easy tho

[frosty forge]

I have long thumbs

[nocturne dust]

Yeah but you have to curl your thumb

or extend it very far

[stuck sinew]

Not really

[nocturne dust]

My hands way too small to extend that far

[vernal temple]

my left hand resting position on the keyboard:
pinky on L Shift
ring on A
middle on W
index on D
thumb on Spacebard

[marble crater]

After reading this, playing with a controller doesn't seem so bad anymore

[nocturne dust]

yeah, that's how I do it

[deft stump]

IDK how even barring chimp fingers.

[vernal temple]

well then moving your thumb a little bit to the left to press L Alt doesn't seem to difficult, eh?

[nocturne dust]

seems very difficult

have to manuever your thumb under your palm

ew

bad

[vernal temple]

no wonder you didn't like my run'n'slide finger position

[nocturne dust]

that's a heavy amount of rotation on your palm or a heavy amount of curling for your thumb

[vernal temple]

mostly thumb curling

hand doesn't move at all

[nocturne dust]

either way, not an immediate press and not good long-term if you do it a lot

[vernal temple]

eh, I play the guitar, I'm used to finicky finger positions

[stuck sinew]

Not that bad

[frosty forge]

So using my thumb for F is bad yeh?

[nocturne dust]

now let's see the wrist

[vernal temple]

what

[nocturne dust]

[vernal temple]

why use your thumb to press F when you can just move your index from D to F?

[stuck sinew]

?

[nocturne dust]

actually don't need the wrist

lmao, the entire keyboard at an angle

[frosty forge]

Gotta keep that strafe on lockdown

[nocturne dust]

I guess you can rotate the keyboard

[stuck sinew]

It's not the keyboard it's the rest lol

[nocturne dust]

Regardless, that position doesn't seem comfortable

[dull osprey]

bro has such a long fingers could put strafe right to G and still comfy hold the keyboard

[nocturne dust]

That's a flexed thumb position

[stuck sinew]

Barely

[frosty forge]

Like you said with "B", you get used to it

[nocturne dust]

Barely is too much if you're playing for an hour

[vernal temple]

we have the same shape of finger nails. nice.

[frosty forge]

[dull osprey]

wat

[nocturne dust]

I mean, with B my hand can stay in a relaxed position until it has to press the button

[frosty forge]

Someone check this guys PC

[stuck sinew]

Yeah you're right I'm surprised I didn't know how little I knew about how my own body feels lol

[nocturne dust]

I mean you can play how you want

[vernal temple]

there's nothing on it besides some lame games

[frosty forge]

^ fr

[nocturne dust]

But I have finger issues so I have to pay a lot of attention to how I handle my fingers

[stuck sinew]

See now B feels uncomfortable to me

[frosty forge]

So would it be an advantage to have an extra finger on the left hand or would it end up being a hindrance?

[vernal temple]

just have ogryn fingers

[nocturne dust]

try repositioning your keyboard?

it should just be a fairly simple open palm position like with spacebar

[frosty forge]

I can see how B would be useful however I think I'd fatfinger the spacebar and jump instead of dodging

[vernal temple]

yeah, in order to move the thumb from Spacebar to B you actually kinda have to slightly lift up the whole palm and move it forward

[nocturne dust]

you might have the wrong size hands so that V or N is better for you

[zinc phoenix]

Alt is on the opposite side of the left hand from the thumb

[nocturne dust]

uh, no?

[zinc phoenix]

I can reach across almost two octaves, it doesn’t change the physical position of the hand

[frosty forge]

Are you playing darktide on a piano?

[vernal temple]

I've read this several times and I don't get it

[stuck sinew]

Or maybe people with different sized hands have different preferences that work for them?

[nocturne dust]

You can have the tip of your thumb on B (if you have the same size hands as me, if not try keys around B) and the knuckle of your thumb on spacebar

well sure, everyone has preferences

[deft stump]

Knowing some ppl, who knows.

[zinc phoenix]

Beats the potatoes some of you use 👁️ 👁️

[frosty forge]

Using a steering wheel 💯

[stuck sinew]

For me to get my thumb up on B I have to curl the rest of my fingers because they're too long

[deft stump]

When DK bongos Darktide?

[vernal temple]

for me personally, the tip on my thumb almost touches the left lower corner of the V key, so B is out of reach

[nocturne dust]

[frosty forge]

Maybe they plan on adding a new blessing in future?

[novel estuary]

idk if this is the right thread or whatever you call them in discord, but ever since the last big update, i freeze/crash every matcg

[nocturne dust]

That's either a small keyboard or long fingers

My fingers are already long

[stuck sinew]

It's long fingers

[frosty forge]

Verify game?

[jovial juniper]

More like
They cut a blessing and forgot to change the points

[frosty forge]

Very likely

[novel estuary]

idk what that means

[vernal temple]

wouldn't call the Logitech K120 a small keyboard

[zinc phoenix]

Unless your hand is on backwards or tiny you’re going to need to contort pretty heavily to hit alt with the thumb

[novel estuary]

also i see im in the wrong server

[stuck sinew]

Left alt

[upper sun]

i have a laptop the function key provides extra space

[frosty forge]

Mouse with the left hand, keyboard with the right

[upper sun]

alt is perfectly fine

[vernal temple]

left alt is right there, to the left (hu yukh) of the Spacebar. literally half a motion with the thumb

[zinc phoenix]

ALIEN LEFT HANDER BEGONE

[stuck sinew]

@zinc phoenix

[zinc phoenix]

You have tiny hands 😢

[vernal temple]

excuse me

[zinc phoenix]

Those are wee hands

[stuck sinew]

That is very not true

[vernal temple]

last I checked, from my wrist to the tip of my fingers, my hand is roughly 20-21 cm in length. how is that "tiny hands" idk

[zinc phoenix]

Well I’m able to one hand pickup a basketball and those hands are too small for that

I’m going to need that in an American unit

How many washing machines is that?

[vernal temple]

small hands can do that too if enough grip force is applied

[zinc phoenix]

What percentage of a football field is your hand?

[stuck sinew]

8"

[vernal temple]

21cm is 8.26 in

[stuck sinew]

Which is about what I am too

Middle finger to wrist

[zinc phoenix]

No no no, that’s science stuff. I need real American units

How many hotdogs across are we talking?

[stuck sinew]

1hd (hand)

[hearty wolf]

I'm so confused

[wispy bay]

Depending if it is white, black or asian.

[hearty wolf]

Are we saying you can't hit left alt with your thumb?

If so, praise me

[vernal temple]

about the same length as the slide on a Colt 1911 M1

[zinc phoenix]

😱