psyker-class

[upper galleon]

Class with assail and smite about to call rock and throwing knives op

[zinc phoenix]

We should take up a collection, it’s so sad

[upper galleon]

I know, not having auto targeting and having to manually arc your knife to hit the sniper is rough buddy

[zinc phoenix]

🤢 imagine having to use meat balls to target

Disgusting

[upper galleon]

Dw the staff m1 macro will hit eventually

[hearty wolf]

I forget what game it was that I was thinking about

I think it was Destiny

But with Destiny, it's freakishly easy to cross map grenades. Something about the way grenades arc just makes sense

and it applies to throwing knives in darktide

It's just so obvious how to throw them

The only thing is you if you try to throw them out of certain animations, you get shifted to the left which is a bit janky

[zinc phoenix]

I’ve killed apparently 300 things with the knifes

I still have no idea how the fuck the aiming works

Sometimes I headshot the trapper with a throw

Other times aiming at the same spot it taps the ass of the trapper

Then I get sued for sexual harassment 🤦‍♀️

[modest patrol]

I mean, she's trying to tie you up - hire me as your lawyer

[potent echo]

[zinc phoenix]

“Your honor when my client thew his knife into the rear end of the prosecution’s client he was merely protecting himself from being tied up and dragged off to some heretical dungeon full of leather, whips and indecent exposure!”

[modest patrol]

Don't forget the disease

[hearty wolf]

(You'd say victim as opposed to prosecution's client but yes)

[honest knoll]

uhhhhh

hey psyker mains

is this normal

[wooden sand]

Ye

[honest knoll]

why

[modest patrol]

Sure is

[wooden sand]

Because new perk will be coming

[honest knoll]

did the warp steal a blessing

[honest knoll]

ah ok

thanks, I thought I was fuckin tweakin for a minute

[modest patrol]

...both are possible?

(jk)

(or am I)

[honest knoll]

or are you?

[modest patrol]

OR AM I

the eternal question

[honest knoll]

https://tenor.com/view/hatsune-miku-miku-hatsune-cherrybombart-brick-gif-16404976812537663868

[modest patrol]

a valid response

[jovial juniper]

Yeah

Chain_lightning extra jump

[honest knoll]

Ooooo is that gonna be the new one?

[jovial juniper]

We don't really know
It's in the code though

[honest knoll]

thats neat as hell

[dreamy quiver]

anyone else have the issue where your warp charges and other stuff doesn't show up on hud?

even when you have them

happens to disrupt destiny too

[strong gulch]

Yes. It's a known issue. Too many buffs and the icons just give up. You have the stacks tho.

[dreamy quiver]

is this a new issue?

[strong gulch]

no

[dreamy quiver]

welp hope they fix it sometime soon

[strong gulch]

[hearty wolf]

LOL

Oh SWEET child o'mine

[strong gulch]

The only way to deal with it is mods; and that's if you can use them.

[hearty wolf]

Wait

Why am I awake again

[dreamy quiver]

i tried using crosshair hud mod but it seems to just break for me

[hearty wolf]

Isn't the 6th Monday

[dreamy quiver]

i do the settings then they reset

[buoyant maple]

6 days of continuous benchmarking and I’m basically giving up

[wind spruce]

3 times in two days I've blown myself up with the warp unbound bug

Just managed it with FGS special

[buoyant maple]

I love when my game randomly drops to powerpoint tier framerate something intense happens (doesn't even do it all the time)

[deft stump]

Do I need to show you my Martyrdom? Cos I'll say that is fairly normal. And yes, knoife fun.

[hearty wolf]

Just wait?

[wind spruce]

No

It's still only happened 5 times in the thousands of scriers I've used since warp unbound existed

[hearty wolf]

Then just let it keep happening to you I guess xd

[wind spruce]

I will

Wouldn't be surprised if it was another month or two until it happens again

[potent echo]

Chastise the wicked without faith powers

[strong gulch]

U right. I even had another charge.

[broken carbon]

https://medal.tv/games/helldivers-2/clips/jqmmq7DrSS8jKJmkr?invite=cr-MSxLUXosMjA0ODY2MDQ3LA

[strong gulch]

ragdoll activate

[late sapphire]

oh god the cattleprod gameplay

does that ever work at all?

[strong gulch]

Idk. I only hurled myself at bile titan. Works on charger butts and impaler faces tho.

[deft stump]

@plucky flax I already hate it.

And no, did not get reward this week.

[plucky flax]

Same I didn't get reward.

But that map looks fun.

Let's do it.

[deft stump]

My life is pain and agony.

[modest patrol]

lol it was a joke about being slightly off-‘meta’

But fwiw I run relic blade and flamer

[deft stump]

But knoife. So you can weep for it.

[modest patrol]

The best/worst part about knoife is my adhd ass always forgetting I have them

[deft stump]

I forget my gun exist. Then remember that WS penance.

[modest patrol]

But when I remember it’s a pleasant surprise and they’re well used

[deft stump]

Unless crushers show up. Panic gun.

[modest patrol]

Real tho

[deft stump]

PANIC kraks.

[modest patrol]

I usually try to dodge as fast as possible (and succeed less than half the time )

[deft stump]

Can't hear stealth crushers if nobody pings.

[modest patrol]

Loved it in a mission earlier when I thought I’d just take out a few gunners and THREE CRUSHERS dropped from the ceiling on top of me

[cosmic sigil]

that was my h40... same map, same modifiers...

[quartz barn]

Just dodge all the time

[wispy bay]

In the state that you naturally dodge. Also know as...

Ultra Instinct

[deft stump]

Sus.

[deft stump]

Yep.

[summer prairie]

I got the reward this week but the havoc reward penance counter didn't increase. Granted last week it went up twice

[marble crater]

Did it update your havoc rank last week or were you stuck at 0?

[summer prairie]

it updated it

[plucky flax]

Only 15 more weeks for the penance

[marble crater]

Makes sense then, I guess?
Didn't update the rank last week, but did update my rank for this week. Something is very wrong

[summer prairie]

if you have multiple characters does it increase faster

[marble crater]

No

[summer prairie]

hub hotkeys update, huge

[near wyvern]

New binding for havoc menu?

[summer prairie]

yes

actually never mind about the havoc penance, at 6/20 now after logging in again

[untold niche]

been playing spellforce 3 fallen god and i enjoy it alot
And then i realize my lazy way of typing is exactly like how the orcs/trolls speak (only that i don't replace us/we with them/they)

[upper sun]

hi

in your absence we got 2 more people from SEA

so maybe you can play a full strike team for one

[untold niche]

hi clad, heh heh. i doubt i will go back to darktide though
idk it just feels too samey after a while if that makes sense

[upper sun]

yeah i get it

[upper sun]

chat i have 600gb of darktide clips

its gonna take me forever to go through them

[untold niche]

easy just delete them all

just like photos in a phone

[upper sun]

no u

[tidal steppe]

how do u shoot light attack really fast? i see poeple do it

[untold niche]

[potent echo]

When next update 😭

[untold niche]

quell cancel

[upper sun]

april

[potent echo]

Fool's

[tidal steppe]

in waht order

[upper sun]

i really NEED this video of me bonking a crusher

[potent echo]

Knees weak

[untold niche]

shoot, then cancel

[untold niche]

dude you could replicate that anytime

clad are you ok

[upper sun]

u dont know that

i got pissed for a long time i couldnt find some old thammer breakpoints before the chastise changes

[untold niche]

why would you be :v

also wouldnt like exhil have that info anyway

[upper sun]

I NEED TO KNOW

[untold niche]

^

[plucky flax]

Havoc 40 ready psyker build

[hearty wolf]

Terrifying barrage op

Ong

[marble crater]

[plucky flax]

I don't feel bad now after the 34 mins loss

[untold niche]

what do the values in the perks row mean

[plucky flax]

Tier of perk.

[untold niche]

no as in what is crdm and ifst

[plucky flax]

Crit damage and infested.

[untold niche]

ah

[marble crater]

Best perks

[deft stump]

@plucky flax Next 40, you really need to HARD, HARD carry. Someone is being very sus on builds.

Glares at @solar schooner.

[plucky flax]

Let him cook.

[solar schooner]

Watch it clutch

And if not

You know who gave me the idea...

[radiant frigate]

sussus amogus

[solar schooner]

@deft stump

[deft stump]

EXCUSE ME. I SAID IT'S FUNNI FOR AURIC REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

[solar schooner]

No

She says it works in havoc

:'D

[deft stump]

Nu.

[solar schooner]

It's ok

[deft stump]

Well, fine, it works in 1-10 havoc.

[solar schooner]

You'll see how much space it creates in h40 when things get bad

:'D

[deft stump]

You see what I mean when he's planning something sus.

Glares.

[solar schooner]

https://tenor.com/view/side-eye-suspicious-puppet-gif-2729624127692369191

[deft stump]

[radiant frigate]

are you two okay?

[deft stump]

I'm perfectly fine. He isn't though. He sus.

And Vet mains is saying Bolt Pistol gud for havoc. Oh no, he totally is going to do it now.

[solar schooner]

And I wouldn’t have paid attention if it wasn’t shown to me in the first place 👀

[deft stump]

->

[solar schooner]

Nothin to worry abt lol, I have been shown the glories of the bpistol by @deft stump so if anything goes south during the H40 ClanGlori run tmr…:’D

[deft stump]

Can I just seek death?

[solar schooner]

No u are now morally obligated to see the train run its course, whether or not it turns into a train wreck :’D

[deft stump]

I regret living, existence is pain and agony.

[solar schooner]

My existence is empty I feel nothing

[deft stump]

I go walk puppo now, before sanity breaks.

[solar schooner]

Good doggo

[deft stump]

She is, but deadlier. OP crotch shots when excited.

[zinc phoenix]

What build is it?

[untold niche]

butt looks like shiba face look like hmmm, village dog + rat dog

[zinc phoenix]

😱

That dog is very cute

Little fluffster

[deft stump]

Finnish Spitz.

[deft stump]

She is, and she loves being cuddled and petted.

[deft stump]

Beeg boomies Vet. Frag grenadier. The thing I run on my vet just less stupid.

[zinc phoenix]

Oh, there’s a solid one of those that got shared on here recently for havoc

I was running it shock trooper recon las and having a great time brrrt all the thing

[deft stump]

Bolt Pistol though. Why BEEG boomies.

[modest patrol]

I love this dog my goodness

[deft stump]

She's also smart.

[modest patrol]

This is mine, looking very pitiful in the snow

[deft stump]

Wanna go home look.

[modest patrol]

Much happier in blankets

[deft stump]

Yep. Carrot wants to go out loads though. But hey, it's warmer here.

[zinc phoenix]

I don’t think that works anymore?

[modest patrol]

Thor loves long walks but hates snow and rain, little buddy is going to be displeased for a bit 😅

[quartz barn]

Its just discount bolter, but more general use

[zinc phoenix]

Looks very similar to my black and white shih tzu lazy boy 😂

[zinc phoenix]

No I mean the interaction between the explosion radius bolt pistol blessing and nades

[modest patrol]

He is half Shih-tzu! And literally has two modes: lazy or hype af

[zinc phoenix]

Dogs be like 😴 😡 😴

[deft stump]

Heh. She don't care. Sad if it rains though.

[modest patrol]

If only we could live their lives

[zinc phoenix]

Idk, I like having agency and the power to use toilets

Need to go outside to do a wee even if there’s snow everywhere is a terrible deal

[deft stump]

Dunno. Still seems to though. Probs best to ask Vet mains.

[zinc phoenix]

I wish FS would lean even more into the nade playstyle tbh

Give us a las rifle with a nade special!

But yeah I am a big believer in vet nade builds, they do work

Also infernus recon las is surprisingly mighty against the green reapers in havoc

[deft stump]

I know, they funni.

[modest patrol]

You make a strong argument

[deft stump]

We have pads for her for that reason if the weather is stormy.

[zinc phoenix]

It’s too bad floor drains aren’t standard in bathrooms, that would help dogs a lot

[deft stump]

Ah.

[zinc phoenix]

One of our dogs knows to go in the bathroom If it’s an emergency and bad weather so they can work out what the bathroom is for 😂

[deft stump]

Ours just figured out when they saw us go to the bathroom. By ours, I mean Carrot and Taro (Lil sis's puppo.).

[modest patrol]

Mine will use the concrete patio on bad weather, which I can fortunately clean with biodegradable cleaner

[deft stump]

Heh. At least better than some that just refuse to be trained.

[marble crater]

Fatshark please, I need one of these in the shop

[zinc phoenix]

I would legit not be able to tell that from penance gear

[marble crater]

Sleeves

[modest patrol]

I have the scholastia psykana robe

One of my faves

[marble crater]

Maybe it will be back in the shop in a few months or years

[modest patrol]

Fingers crossed for you sibling

[patent mango]

emperor told me it'll be back by 2039

[marble crater]

So soon

[zinc phoenix]

So bg3 update, hold person/monster stay winning

I’ve stacked enough spell dc on my bard that even bosses tend to have 90% fail chance against hold spells

And if they have a chance to succeed I can harass them with mental fatigue for a couple turns to dumpster their resist

Pretty silly

[deft stump]

This dook is also OP in normal D&D though.

[zinc phoenix]

The biggest risk to it is something catches the bard out 😂

So I’ve put war caster on him for advantage on concentration + take care to hide him in fog or smth

[hearty wolf]

@nocturne dust @strong gulch grey weapons havoc 40? I honestly don't think it will be hard

Wish to prove that

[upper sun]

OH MY GOD I HATE THE SPOTIFY WEB DEVS SO MUCH

those people will not stop adding slop panels to their web player

and now they merged the side panel with the device connection panel so if i disable it with ublock i cant change devices

demonic...

[silver mantle]

No we need to use the react node player9000 with npm intersectionality

[upper sun]

sweden should be banned from programming

[silver mantle]

And make it slow as shit

[silver mantle]

Us is just as bad

Youtubes code is horrifying and has gotten worse over time

Node js was a mistake

[upper sun]

i dont want to fucking load a video of 3 people dancing in a fucking loop

YOU CANT MAKE ME

[zinc phoenix]

“Honey, it’s time for your new framework”
“Yes dear”

[modest patrol]

Reminding me to finish out the final battle on my duo tactician run

[silver mantle]

This is why Im not allowed to do webdev anymore

[marble crater]

I enjoy clad's freakouts

[silver mantle]

I deleted node

And made the website run 10000 times faster

[upper sun]

ITS A FUCKING WASTE OF BANDWIDTH

ITS A WASTE OF POWER USAGE

[marble crater]

[upper sun]

YOU WANNA SAVE THE ENVIORMENT? all the wasted processing power that goes to bloat could power a recycling plant

[zinc phoenix]

I feel like this just devolves into barrelmancy 😂

[upper sun]

i really REALLY need to know when this one hit wonder is going on tour 10k km away from me

thanks spotify

[modest patrol]

You are NOT WRONG

So in this run I learnt the hard way that if you collapse the crèche on top of the inquisitor, he doesn’t die

[zinc phoenix]

I didn’t know you could collapse the crèche

[modest patrol]

He shows up in the Emperor’s hideout, along with the other Gith from act 2, as a huge “fuck you” group to take you down

[modest patrol]

Omg you’ve never found the Blood of Lathander?

[zinc phoenix]

I did

Of

[modest patrol]

HA well, if you don’t do it properly, and you just take it without the dawnmaster’s seal, it’ll collapse the building

[zinc phoenix]

I see

Yes

That seems too evil

I am a moral murder hobo

[modest patrol]

Well, I’ve been calling this run the chaos elves

An Oathbreaker Tav and Ascended Astarion

The only two — I didn’t recruit anyone else

And Tav became a mindflayer to piss off Astarion at the end

[deft stump]

Is same in d&d.

[queen fog]

I hope so

[modest patrol]

I’m literally right about to do the courtyard battle, just gotta dive in

[zinc phoenix]

astarion is such a twit

[modest patrol]

Ascended Astarion is awful

[zinc phoenix]

i may just kill him

[modest patrol]

But that necrotic damage tho

[zinc phoenix]

during beta i literally killed him on meeting him every time

bitch is a vampire

[modest patrol]

I like his non-ascended character arc

[zinc phoenix]

the arc where he is merely a twat

[gilded locust]

I like Astarion cause he's sassy

No need to take it so seriously imo

[modest patrol]

He & Karlach are my two fave companions

[gilded locust]

I do find there are things about most companions I both like and dislike

Well, except for the Githlady

[modest patrol]

That’s what’s great about them honestly

[modest patrol]

…because Lae’zel is so lovable?

[gilded locust]

While I do understand why she is like she is, I don't like the overt hostility in the early parts of her relation

[queen fog]

Ngl that emote made me think of law’zel and sheeva from mortal combat

Multi-armed gith

[modest patrol]

And yet she is exceptionally kind for a Githyanki! (I love her lol)

Her romance might be my favourite

[weary idol]

No she isn't the literal only reason she doesn't kill you is because she can't with the whole main plot element of the story going on

[gilded locust]

Yeah, I don't really like the Gith 😅

[modest patrol]

Fair! I quite enjoy how present they are — they’re a rather underutilised race in Forgotten Realms overall so it’s cool to see them

[gilded locust]

Absolutely!

[modest patrol]

But it is possible to antagonise her into combat at the very start of Act 1, or refuse to recruit her (as I did in my duo run)

[gilded locust]

I mean I understand their presense and reason for doing what they do and how that affects the game world

[deft stump]

Githzerai>Githyanki.

[gilded locust]

I just don't like people who think they are better than everyone else

[queen fog]

That’s the gith

[modest patrol]

The Githzerai are fucking fascinating, I 100% agree on that

It’s also high elves

Drow

[queen fog]

When your race breaks out of enslavement from mind squids I think I’d be a little confident too

[deft stump]

Went on to be cultured and such instead of violent brutes.

[gilded locust]

The differences are quite interesting imo (even though I havent read too much into it)

It's as if it was designed to be that way

:^)

[modest patrol]

Githzerai aren’t properly shown in BG3, but they absolutely can be violent when the need arises. They’re essentially warrior monks.

They’re just not into actively conquering like the Githyanki

[deft stump]

But they don't outright raid and such. If you choose to provoke them, that's basically on you.

[modest patrol]

Yup, exactly that.

Honestly BG3 is a whole new experience playing as a Gith character

Highly recommend it if you haven’t — the most unique dialogue lines are available to a Gith

[deft stump]

I'm pretty sure that was the intent. Is like how in NWN2, you get extra for playing Drow and such.

[gilded locust]

Oh didn't know that, thats cool!

[modest patrol]

Yesssss.
I recently started playing NWN2 Storm of Zehir and decided to make a full Drow party because I apparently hate myself (fucking 3.5e sunlight penalties lol)

[deft stump]

You weirdo. I kinda missed getting it on Steam, lul. Still have physical copies.

1 was painful enough to deal with lmao.

[modest patrol]

It’s on GOG!

[deft stump]

I have disks that still works lul.

[modest patrol]

Play it againnnnn

I made my party lead a lady cleric of Lolth, and the rest of the party men she could boss around

[deft stump]

I rather play the OG and sob at all my old custom gear no longer existing lul.

I used to make my own weapons with their own stories and just lug them into custom campaigns that support ported chars lul.

[deft stump]

This is just normal Drow things. I rather play as a kid abandoned on the surface being adopted types. Chaotic good bards? Yes. Extra gae, extra grem.

[modest patrol]

Gotta get into the Drow RP when Drow’ing.
On my Drow BG3 run Shart had an… unfortunate accident so I was short a cleric…. Hired the Drow hireling and respecced him to cleric so my Tav could boss him around

[deft stump]

Naw, I still like Eilistraee.

[minor wedge]

Hello siblings!

I am so pleased to report I just had the sweetest mission ever. I was sent out with 3 ogryns! Can you imagine that. 3 sweet brutes. I have never felt so safe.

[deft stump]

Ppl question how this surface Drow knows her, but she does and claims to have seen her before.

[minor wedge]

Oh, also. is that Silver voidstrike staff any good ?

The one that shoots a big blast of energy ?

[deft stump]

That's luck based. We had two with half a brain cell wasting medkits in lifts before medicae earlier.

In damnation.

[marble crater]

Yes, all our staves are good

[deft stump]

Btw. I would not care if it's sedition or uprising.

[minor wedge]

Oh I was quite pleased with my ogryns, I have to say. These 3 were so protective of me. One even called to "Protect the Sparkhead" I wonder if that is what having friends feels like.

[deft stump]

Is fun, just never use it if you are playing off your server. The lag sucks.

[marble crater]

Ogryn roleplayers are the best

[deft stump]

Depends.

[minor wedge]

So tempted

SOOOO tempted

[deft stump]

Get Surge and nexus/flurry. Boom boom fun.

[minor wedge]

Civi is my favorite maelstrom

[zinc phoenix]

Laezel is a bottom who thinks she’s a top

She starts off all hard but like ten minutes in she’s totally submissive

[minor wedge]

Noted, thankyou.

[marble crater]

If you want a build for the voidstrike you can try something like this @minor wedge

[minor wedge]

ooooh

Assail

I have not tried assail yet

I usualy play as smite or brainburst

[deft stump]

You can technically run it with hed pop for Psykinetics though.

You delete hordes of small-med stuff often enough with the double booms anyway.

[minor wedge]

I will try that build I think

thankyou!

I take it warpresist is the dump on that staff too ?

[deft stump]

You can choose that or blast radius.

[marble crater]

Nope, blast radius

[deft stump]

Basically, whichever feels less worth for you tbh.

[minor wedge]

What meele weapon would I run with that ?

The new force greatsword ?

[deft stump]

Illisi.

Or Deimos.

[minor wedge]

I see

It just so happens that I have a perfect forcesword to swap the mark around on

How quaint

[deft stump]

I really don't suggest moonlight unless you going pistols tbh. Your mobility will tank hard.

Or recon maybe, but ask Kat or someone else about it.

Honestly, go with any of the normal force swords depending on the feel you like.

[minor wedge]

I usualy play deimos when I do smite or headburst psyker

I realy like how..... stabby... it feels

[deft stump]

Strike is good against hordes and such but can be slow. Can technically be built to crush crushers as well, but IDK really.

So Deimos could still be fine.

Best play around with the staff and then pick the mark to go with it.

[marble crater]

I use illisi when playing voidstrike

[deft stump]

But Illisi is a safe bet.

[minor wedge]

Oh wait

my force sword doesnt change marks when I change loadouts

[upper sun]

no

you change the item itself

[minor wedge]

thats a bit.... inconvenient

OH i know taht

But I will most likely forget haha

[wispy bay]

If you want to use Illisi or Deimos, you likely want some different blessing as well.

[deft stump]

You might wanna farm another force sword.

[wispy bay]

You can get a 2nd force sword in your inventory.

[minor wedge]

Yeah

I think I will do that

Currently running uncanny/deflector on my Deimos

[deft stump]

Illisi wants Slaughterer and something else

Deflector for me.

[minor wedge]

Yeah

thats what I will go with too

its just so fun to run into gunners with the shield up

and just tank it

hahaha

[wispy bay]

Uncanny slaughterer is fine

[deft stump]

Yep. Has more meme uses as well.

[minor wedge]

What perks do I want on an Illisi?

[deft stump]

I run flak+maniac.

Pretty sure it's the standard for it.

[minor wedge]

And for the voidstrike ?

[deft stump]

Crit chance and something else.

I think is flak or cara.

[minor wedge]

Then I'll probably go carapace

to deal with crushers

[deft stump]

Just try both on damnation mobs in psykhanium just to see which has better value.

Like number of shots to kill and such.

[wispy bay]

Strike staff has some other blessing combo as well.

[quartz barn]

For void you also have to consider charge time

[wispy bay]

You can go Transfer Peril + Flurry for some pretty good horde clear and single target damage using normal shot.

[minor wedge]

Am I... trippin or do the NORMAL shots penetrate through targets ?

And the heavy ones even more?

[wild anvil]

Use +carapace and +crit chance on voidstrike. You don't need +flak, even on havoc40s.

[wispy bay]

Surge + Nexus has highest damage potential, but slow.
Surge + Flurry for fast fire with sometimes high damage.
Nexus + Flurry for fast fire while having more consistent slightly high damage.

[deft stump]

Surge double shots on crit as well.

[wild anvil]

and yeah, surge + nexus is the blessing set up that you want

[minor wedge]

😮

[wispy bay]

It is slow to charge up though.

[tribal girder]

Surge is 100% the way to go. With DD stacks you can easily oneshot crushers, and bullwarks through their shields

[minor wedge]

and how do I weave assail into that ?

[wild anvil]

you don't weave assail into it

voidstrike and assail are mutually exclusive because they do the same thing

[tribal girder]

Asail is used for scattered range shooters

[deft stump]

Why I say, you can go hed pop as well.

[upper sun]

which is?

[deft stump]

Psykinetics is one heck of a drug.

[wild anvil]

nuke targets at range

[upper sun]

i really like how assail can one shot crushers

[wild anvil]

voidstrike does it better

[tribal girder]

Asial also is good for malefic momentum when you are stuck in melee

[deft stump]

Especially when you blow up a pack of shotgunners and such.

[wispy bay]

Strike can clear horde. Assail is a precision weapon.

[minor wedge]

Never used assail before thats why im asking

[deft stump]

Wait wat.

[minor wedge]

I so far only ever played headburst or smite ^^

Just felt more for me.

[tribal girder]

Oh well, pick it up and try it then. There's really nothing to tell you if you don't know how it works

[deft stump]

Is like the most OP thing a newbie psyker has lul on malice and below.

[tribal girder]

Asail has the highest skill ceiling out of the three, due to it's animation cancel tricks

A Swiss Army knife sort of

[wild anvil]

that's not saying much given how brain dead smite and brain burst are

[deft stump]

And even then, you have fancy high lvl tricks you can play with it. The price is no Psykinetics.

[tribal girder]

Psykinetics is not so essential on certain builds. Domes and gaze can live without it imo

[deft stump]

Dome depends.

[silver mantle]

I dont understand how to use assail smite

Doesnt spread as fast as I want

[deft stump]

But the thing is it grants the CDR to teammates in coherency as well.

One heck of a drug for certain things.

[minor wedge]

Oh you can help that

blue stim makes smite spread faster

and makes it look prettier too

[wild anvil]

yeah, psykinetics is almost mandatory for me if I'm doing a really serious build

[marble crater]

Are you using Lightning Storm and the charged up version? Spreads pretty fast

[silver mantle]

Ah maybe Im not chargin it

Lel

[tribal girder]

Empowered smite plus lightning storm is basically instant spread from my experience

[silver mantle]

Dont play psyker much so thats probably the issue

[wispy bay]

Anyone down for some weekly Havoc 40?

[marble crater]

Left click is for a single target you want to stun and knock back quickly
Right click and then left click is for smiting entire rooms and how you will use smite 95% of the time

[deft stump]

Waiting for Chaos to suffer Gloriana.

Don't ask. I already hate my luck.

[silver mantle]

Yup my mistake kekw

[deft stump]

He is all, is fun challenge. Me: I want to die.

[quartz barn]

Gloriana is only bad if you have 3 dumbasses on the team

With proper positioning you can trivialize almost every section

[wispy bay]

Just played Havoc 40 in pub. The vet has no yellow weapon, shredder pistol, 2 curio, one of them is wound, and Infiltration...

Why?

[marble crater]

[deft stump]

We had 2 dumbos on a 24 ages ago an it was already hell.

[quartz barn]

Imo its only bad when you know that if you go down the team wipes

[zinc phoenix]

It’s nice but not mandatory

There are plenty of good right side only builds

[deft stump]

All I will say is Untill clench is best talent on a Zealot bar none.

[wild anvil]

I still take it on my right side builds because I like CDR so much

[deft stump]

You eat crusher overhead trying to rescue your carry clutch tier stuff.

[zinc phoenix]

Gloriana is a map that intentionally baits the player into what looks like reasonable movements but are actually overextensions

But if you know the spawns and where the danger zones are it’s pretty straightforward

Definitely a map that heavily rewards knowing it well

[deft stump]

Then depends on player, I have no clue how most of the maps in the game technically function. All I know is most hordes are forced/triggered by moving too far ahead.

[minor wedge]

Okay

so voidstrike is an ABSOLUTE beast

But I do NOT understand assail

[zinc phoenix]

But a RELATIVE piece of junk

[marble crater]

Assail follows your aim

[minor wedge]

OH

lol

okay

[zinc phoenix]

Throw shards, sweep targeting reticule over heads

Collect win

[minor wedge]

Noted

Thankyou

[zinc phoenix]

Then cry on havoc when enemy skulls reject knives

“My skull is simply knife proof, idiot psyker”

[minor wedge]

Highest I've done yet is normal damnation

But at least I get these done relatively comfortably now

[zinc phoenix]

Congrats you’ve completed the tutorial segment!

😜

[deft stump]

Heh.

[wild anvil]

I really like voidstrike on high level havocs. The only staff that is better is trauma, but it serves a different purpose.

[wispy bay]

The heretics have dense skull.

[deft stump]

Look, it just need a charge speed buff.

[zinc phoenix]

Apparently you’ve forgotten purgatus exists

[minor wedge]

I like how voidstrike can clear an entire horde by itself

One charged shot and I can delete everything in a straight line

good for corridor clear

^^

[zinc phoenix]

Unfortunately the higher the difficulty the less it can cleave

[silver mantle]

The inferno why did they name it that has infinite cleave

[wild anvil]

No, I haven't. If anything, trauma staff makes purgatus obsolete.

[minor wedge]

That is why I main inferno psyker ^^

[zinc phoenix]

Most people rate it trauma/purgatus, void, zap

[minor wedge]

Inferno and shields

[zinc phoenix]

Since there are four staves and void is 3 of four

[minor wedge]

good combo for high diffs

[zinc phoenix]

It isn’t as good

[minor wedge]

Well "high" from my PoV

[zinc phoenix]

Try warp unbound Scrier gaze with voidstrike

[wild anvil]

Yeah, but most people are wrong about such stuff. They confuse what is strong for what is easy.

[zinc phoenix]

It is quite fun

Uh ok

So how high we talking about in havoc?

[wild anvil]

40

[zinc phoenix]

Good job!

I would not personally recommend voistrike to people there but you can do what you want

Esp if you’re not going for true survivor anymore

Once that’s done a lot of build options open up due to a lack of caring

[zinc phoenix]

Oh I take this back because most people put zap first if you’re doing left click spam with quell cancel

So that puts void at the bottom staff wise

[deft stump]

But it annoys the ppl trying for it though.

[zinc phoenix]

Zap shriek is still pretty good

[wild anvil]

voidstrike is perfectly safe for true survivor runs

[zinc phoenix]

Hey I’ll go meta if people explicitly say they’re going ts, otherwise it’s a game and I’m gonna enjoy it 😂

[wild anvil]

if anything, it's safer than purgatus

[zinc phoenix]

I would put it like this: if you enjoy voidstrike and your team can compensate for the loss of horde clear then it’s fine running it in high havoc… otherwise it isn’t recommended

[wild anvil]

there's no problem with lack of horde clear with my build

[zinc phoenix]

Ok

[thorn cedar]

I would put it this way, if your team needed a Purgatus staff to win they shouldve brought their own

[zinc phoenix]

I don’t believe you but you’re welcome to share proof

[wild anvil]

I'll outdamage anything

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9de775a3-bc2b-4ef7-97c7-67b223d5af04/havoc40-psyker-build

[silver mantle]

So you use sword for horde clear?

[wild anvil]

when stuff gets close, yes

[zinc phoenix]

That’s essentially the build json does but with a weirder sword layout

[strong gulch]

Let's do it. Sounds like pain.

[zinc phoenix]

Like shred is just meh compared to the alternatives

[wild anvil]

i'd like to put something other than shred on the sword, but you can never have enough crit on a force sword

[zinc phoenix]

Also if you’re running crack youre gonna be at zero peril a lot unless you really spam the special

[wild anvil]

Yes, this is true, and I've considered changing that talent

[plucky flax]

@zinc phoenix I would like to play with you so you can carry

[nocturne dust]

oh lawd

[zinc phoenix]

Which is kind of a weird fit with warp rider

[minor wedge]

Can you quell peril during scriers gaze?

[zinc phoenix]

Hell no you’ve seen how bad I am

[nocturne dust]

You saw my Inferno damage numbers

[zinc phoenix]

I get by purely on cope and map knowledge

[nocturne dust]

Imagine those with a 40% nerf

[plucky flax]

Oops I was meant to tag the guy who made the buils

Sry

Dunno why your name got mentioned

[zinc phoenix]

I would personally lean into max peril life and run warp splitting + unstable

That would get you more cleave and more base power on the sword

[plucky flax]

If his voidstrike can outdamage burga he's God tbh

[prime elk]

yes

[fringe garden]

Edging peril with Warp Rider, Warp Splitting, and Unstable Power makes FGS go brrrrr

[zinc phoenix]

Yes but you’re better off stacking tranquility thru slaughter and crack of bone with a mk8 fgs so that you can kill hordes forever without ever needing to quell or leave SG

[wild anvil]

Yeah, I've considered that. The issue is that it is hard to keep peril up with the 2h force sword

[fringe garden]

Just use the special

It's like 35 peril

Or weave assails in

[silver mantle]

45 if you minmax

[zinc phoenix]

I go with basically that build but with the zap stick or trauma

[deft stump]

Just stroke your sword.

[wild anvil]

I like saving it for when it is fully charged

[fringe garden]

Don't save it for that

[zinc phoenix]

Because I can swap to them and stack peril super fast

[fringe garden]

The melee portion of the attack is significantly buffed even without the charge meter

[zinc phoenix]

I know what he means tho, I love seeing the big death scroll when I save it 😂

It’s not efficient… but I fuckin love it

[wild anvil]

it's nice for dealing with the rager hordes

[upper sun]

for force great sword?

[plucky flax]

Still up

[fringe garden]

I do get it, too. But the blenderizing you do while near 100 peril is wild

[fringe garden]

Yes

[upper sun]

is it?

i couldnt notice much extra damage

[fringe garden]

From what I can tell it is just like the illisi special in melee

[deft stump]

Is 12:55am. What do you mean?

[zinc phoenix]

It’s amazing how many tiers of skill there are in this game

[deft stump]

Am bottom barrel, so anyone worse be ???.

[zinc phoenix]

Like objectively I’ve got the markers of “you are good at the game” but then I play with people who are a tier or two above me and can do things that look impossible to me

[plucky flax]

Sedition tier

[wispy bay]

Yes, you can carry me to Havoc 40!!!

[zinc phoenix]

Like, solo clutching h40 against multiple bosses good

I can’t do that, doesn’t matter what build I’m rolling

[deft stump]

We lost so much hp in that diff not caring lul.

[orchid cedar]

Level 200 stealth zealot, holographic green frame, auric storm survivor, gets downed 2 minutes into metal fab coolant repair.

[thorn cedar]

https://clips.twitch.tv/RamshackleBlushingKumquatCmonBruh-n6xfVABQTIsAHv-T

😠

[zinc phoenix]

Fuck me 😂

[fringe garden]

Much extra safe as opposed to what? A normal heavy attack? It seems to gain a ton of cleave, ignore armor mass, and deals the damage profile of a heavy attack.

[plucky flax]

Sorry it was me

[zinc phoenix]

I swear those guys are printed out of a factory or something

[deft stump]

ASS though, most ppl cheated their's.

[upper sun]

i dont think it does anything if not charged maybe an extra 80 damage

[orchid cedar]

https://tenor.com/view/buzz-lightyear-gif-21327280

[zinc phoenix]

AltF4 Scum Slurper

[orchid cedar]

Yep

[upper sun]

same but the zealot also trashtalks and leaves

[orchid cedar]

Dude

[deft stump]

I did mine legit, just be cockroach while team carries yes.

[orchid cedar]

There was this veteran who got barreled in the beginning of Gloriana

[zinc phoenix]

I did it with pugs and got thru three randomly… then waited and did the last two in melee only mael because I knew I could carry a team with trauma if I did that 😂

[orchid cedar]

"Fuck you guys, I was the team."

[upper sun]

I cheated ASS by counter picking every single maelstrom to such a degree it was a cakewalk

[orchid cedar]

Yeah that might be the way

[deft stump]

Vet mains carried first 2, Chaos carried last 3.

[upper sun]

monsters? thammer
ranged? bubble

[orchid cedar]

I don't know what class to pick for it though

[thorn cedar]

I still don't have ASS

[upper sun]

scab? trauma

[zinc phoenix]

Time to respec to Brazilian butt lift

[upper sun]

this doode cant squat...

[orchid cedar]

Ogryn is my most played class, level 200+, and Psyker and zealot which I'm like 50+ on

[wispy bay]

I just bring my Recon lasgun and brrrrrrrt my way through ASS.

[orchid cedar]

Yeah I love my gunker

[zinc phoenix]

Shield tauntgryn well played trivializes most maels

[orchid cedar]

Recon las, FGS, and assail

[wispy bay]

Nah, I'm Vet main.

[zinc phoenix]

Because if the team stays anywhere near you you keep everything off them so they can’t fuck it up

[wild anvil]

They do a stupid amount of damage, too

[wispy bay]

When in doubt, I brrrrrrt.

[orchid cedar]

Well that's the problem

They often don't

[wild anvil]

the good ones do

[orchid cedar]

That's why I use shield charge ogryn

[deft stump]

I did dumb grenadier vet things. Should really go martyrdom zealot until clench safety net.

[zinc phoenix]

I love las pistol for the speed boost

[orchid cedar]

Charge gives me enough mobility to keep up with the normal classes

Something like 50% for 8 seconds after activation of my bull rush

[orchid cedar]

Vet is the one class I suck at right now

[wispy bay]

If you suck while playing Vet, it is a big skill issue on you.

[deft stump]

I suck at everything.

[orchid cedar]

Idk with other classes I always rely on my melee as a large cleave horde tool (shield, relic blade, and fgs) , haven't maxed out force sword yet

[deft stump]

Except panicking.

[zinc phoenix]

Take 3x stam regen and a +3 stam curio

Then go with Rashad for melee and weapon spec keystone with whatever else

You will find vet is way easier to play if you do that

[orchid cedar]

Rashad feels strange when I do that overhead

[hearty wolf]

More like 400% buff because if we play the mission patiently instead of slowly

it's gonna be

[fringe garden]

It absolutely does increase the cleave, the damage, and the damage profile of the melee portionn of the melee attack. It just... very clearly does

[zinc phoenix]

It’s mostly for light spam

[hearty wolf]

big padding

[orchid cedar]

I just gotta get used to it

[wispy bay]

With that amount of stamina, you can just take the Dclaw and parry DH to dead.

[zinc phoenix]

Yes probably

[hearty wolf]

@strong gulch Do you have all the required mods to show people's loadouts before we upload it?

[zinc phoenix]

But vet is insanely stam thirsty

Like by far the most stam thirsty class

[orchid cedar]

Thought it'd be ogryn?

[wispy bay]

Hell, even Havoc crusher in H40 can't win vs parry.

(I tried that)

[orchid cedar]

Which mark DS is your favorite?

[zinc phoenix]

Ogryn packing a lot of stam in those fat titites

[wispy bay]

Ogryn only needs stamina regen.

[orchid cedar]

Yeah but he eats up as he slowly approaches onto the battlefield like a cow on ice

[strong gulch]

I think so. I can check later.

[wispy bay]

Stamina issue is why I don't like to play DS on vet.

[orchid cedar]

I run sprint efficiently for my ogryn curios

[deft stump]

But knoife is no diff lul.

[wispy bay]

On my knife build, I have to put +2 stamina perk on knife to save the curio for toughness/hp.

Run +3 stamina is a little bit paper thin when you melee often.

[deft stump]

+3 is a god send at times though.

[wispy bay]

I uses +3 on some of my more dynamic builds.

[upper sun]

its just a different attack it still has less single target damage than the PA heavy

[nocturne dust]

And then we drop off a ledge and die horribly

[deft stump]

Feels like when I tried to push a staff+Moonlight thing. 16 bars of Stam did nothing. Sprint Sliding did nothing.

[orchid cedar]

What

16 bars?

[deft stump]

FGS+9 stam.

[orchid cedar]

I need to see a screenshot of that lol

[deft stump]

Is 14 or 16.

Hard to count.

[orchid cedar]

Why can't the ogryn tree look like this 😭

[patent mango]

thats next update

[nocturne dust]

wat game is this

[orchid cedar]

Ogryn single handly becomes the most complex nuanced class in darktide

[patent mango]

poe 1 or 2

[orchid cedar]

Path of exile 2

[nocturne dust]

[deft stump]

I'll get you one when I can be bothered to get on the game. Is just pubbing feels like crap after playing with people, lul.

[orchid cedar]

Yeah alr

[deft stump]

When you see ppl drop ammo crate right infront of 2 large ammo bags...

No vets so the excuse of needing nukes isn't available as well.

[nocturne dust]

Havoced

[deft stump]

It's normal damnation.

[nocturne dust]

I assumed based on your complaint

[deft stump]

There's 2 effing Psykers, 2 large bags will fill anyone up.

But yeah... Like I said, I'm bad... I just don't know how much worse you get.

[nocturne dust]

I mean

[silver mantle]

Had one where vet yoinked medic crate from me

[nocturne dust]

sedition players exist

[silver mantle]

Didnt drop down

Got trapped

Dcd

[deft stump]

I lost half my HP tanking sniper shots not giving a dook in there since we got tired of lower than ogryn brain celled ppl in damnation.

[nocturne dust]

I mean sedition players are like distracted children

no dodges, no sliding

and an attack rate that would impress poxwalkers with how slow it is

[deft stump]

Is more, stopped caring. trying to get bots killed to do the fan penance for someone else, lul.

[nocturne dust]

Lol, the fan penance

[silver mantle]

I still dont know what the fan penance is

[nocturne dust]

Push enemies into fan on specific map

[silver mantle]

I pushed people into the fan

No penance

Like 50

[nocturne dust]

Very boring very dumb

[deft stump]

Push enemies into the fan without touching it yourself.

[silver mantle]

Might already have it but I dont know where it is

[wispy bay]

It is in the Hourglass section

In the penance page

[orchid cedar]

The last martyr skull penance I'm missing is the excise vault one lol

[deft stump]

So basically luring the sniper to shoot the bots, lul.

[deft stump]

I know.

It annoys me.

I got the stupid platforming ones already, just left with that.

[plucky flax]

Was wondering why my room is so cold. Window was opened

[deft stump]

How did you not notice in like, the moment it's too cold lmao.

[plucky flax]

I thought it's just the weather being too cold.

Room should warm up after liek an hour now.

[deft stump]

You waited an hour to notice it?

[silver mantle]

Probably have it then

Hourglass has the 2 unobtainable as of now martyr skulls right?

(Cuz maps not in rotation)

[deft stump]

1, I think. Excise vault only.

[silver mantle]

Yeah I think I got that penance already

I wasted like 10 minutes pushing poxwalkers into the fans

[deft stump]

Heh.

[silver mantle]

Indeed

[marble crater]

Excise vault is not in rotation?

[deft stump]

It was taken out to be fixed, they never readded it back.

[marble crater]

They added the others back

[deft stump]

I want my penances, even the 3 man insert packs thing one.

Reeeeeeeeeeeee

[marble crater]

Did that thankfully

[deft stump]

Pugs suck for it.

[hearty wolf]

I'm going to run T hammer I think

[analog agate]

2 more havocs then I have the helms. No rush to get the title or banner. I can finally return to the rest of the maps

[marble crater]

My respect, I'm so far away from the helm and chest

[deft stump]

That's 20 games and 40 games.

Played and assisted.

To go.

[marble crater]

I still need to play 21 and assist 30

[deft stump]

Mostly since I play in a ded region.

[nocturne dust]

no thrust and no headtaker

[hearty wolf]

That's fine. Charged bonk with duelist

[nocturne dust]

That means you never use a charged heavy because it does the same damage as a light

[hearty wolf]

what

does it actually

[nocturne dust]

charged lights and charged heavies do the same damage iirc

thrust is the only reason heavies are done

[hearty wolf]

i see

the charge does more damage than just doing a heavy tho ya?

so charged light vs normal heavy

[nocturne dust]

uh... idk

The specifics of Zealot weapons are beyond me

I only know Psyker

[hearty wolf]

I am going to bonk things.

This is my strategy.

you will burn things

[plucky flax]

Gatekeeping gun psyker in melee scab only.

[upper sun]

VIDEO GAMES?

[hearty wolf]

gun against carapce

very good

[plucky flax]

Ligeia had big sword.

That Chris guy was so far back and died then blamed me anyway :x

[deft stump]

@orchid cedarYou can go 16 if you put stam on the sword, I guess?

And don't ask why I have scrier's on this. Was trying out some things.

[marble crater]

[marble crater]

Why do you have sciers on this?

[orchid cedar]

Beautiful

[rotund bolt]

Anyone got a Tac Axe build? As in what do put on it if i wanna blend?

[deft stump]

More silly. It will mean kinda easy AFK tank DH though if you wanna help someone with MM.

[deft stump]

But seriously, it was because I tried making a meleeker build. It did not go well.

[wild anvil]

This may sound counter-intuitive, but melee psyker works better in havocs than in normal games. You're much safer in the deathball setups.

[haughty star]

Just don't on soyker

One of those weapons that are best reserved to zealot

[rotund bolt]

Dont play much else than psyker and ogryn, so im just grinding the masteries on psyker

and with the 10% atk speed node on the tree, the melee feels nice

[wispy bay]

Tac axe is like only usable by zealot for 1 build.

Otherwise, you have better options.

[marble crater]

Use Blazing voidblast for grinding taxe, you don't have to switch to your melee then anyway

[rotund bolt]

But i like blending hordes :(, the Combat Axe was a fun grind

[wispy bay]

Tac Axe is more focused on single target combo.

You can clear horde, but meh.

[haughty star]

Headtaker and bromentum is alright with it

There are always better options lol. If we always used better options we would all be running deimos and ds4 or illisi and Rashad lol

Fgs would not get used

[thorn cedar]

Tac axe isn't that hard to build for.

You can do HT + Anything basically

Warp Splitter if you're running HT + Deci stacks up to pretty funny amounts of cleave and makes hording exceptionally safe as long as you know what your weapon is doing.

It's good into pretty much everything.

[wild anvil]

brutal momentum is kinda finnicky on tac axe due to the short range of the weapon

it seems to work more reliably on the heavy attacks than just light attacks

[thorn cedar]

BM is okay on the 7

[cosmic sigil]

At least 3.

[thorn cedar]

The 4 I recommend HT + DC

The 2 I just don't recommend at all but maybe you'll vibe with it anyway

[wild anvil]

slaughter spree is a lot of fun on the tac axe

it works really well with zealot

i don't know if it works with psyker

psyker weapons are so OP that it's hard to justify going to the generic weapons unless you're just using the knife for mobility

[plucky flax]

Psyker? OP? D:

[narrow herald]

impossible

[nocturne dust]

Psyker melee weapons? OP?

[narrow herald]

yes

[wild anvil]

yeah, compare the stats of psyker weapons to non-psyker weapons

[nocturne dust]

Yeah like dueling sw-

oh

[wild anvil]

dueling sword was a psyker weapon

[nocturne dust]

well sure, if psyker melee weapons were on any other class they would be OP

But that's kinda the problem

[wild anvil]

there's a reason everyone lost their minds when it was announced that zealots would get dueling swords

[narrow herald]

so conculsion, psyker is OP

[wild anvil]

and there's a reason dueling swords are broken on zealots

[haughty star]

Illisi is definitely a tier but not like op

Deimos is worse than ds4

[nocturne dust]

sure

but psyker isn't zealot

[haughty star]

Obscurus is just weird. Am I missing anything?

[nocturne dust]

They don't get to break things in melee, like ever

[nocturne dust]

No, you right

[broken carbon]

DD SG

[nocturne dust]

All that to mimic duelist

[broken carbon]

obscurus does single target very well, and horde clear is okay

better than deimos

[marble crater]

No, buff blaze trauma

[nocturne dust]

Obscurus does okay

It's between Illisi and Deimos

[jovial juniper]

The hidden sweep attack

They finally made a way to avoid the stab when dealing with hordes

It's ok

[jovial juniper]

Real

[nocturne dust]

https://tenor.com/view/omni-man-invincible-look-what-they-need-to-mimic-a-fraction-of-our-power-gif-25672186

[jovial juniper]

Stack all sorts of buffs

https://tenor.com/view/british-angry-facebook-gif-21161071

Dodge once

https://tenor.com/view/giga-chad-gigachad-big-gif-21053844

[haughty star]

Isn't finesse as a whole a more impactfal stat than weakspot bonus?

[nocturne dust]

duelist is a finesse bonus iirc

Not the same as weakspot damage that is a weapon perk

because Fatshark

[marble crater]

It says weakspot and crit in the talent, but that doesn't say much I guess

[haughty star]

Thats pleasant lol. So all in all sg/dd is technically probably a little more powerful but at the expense of being made of paper mache

And only at full 15 stacks etc

[marble crater]

And with a few more points invested

[nocturne dust]

a bit more than few

[marble crater]

At least 3 more points

[haughty star]

Well I mean that stuff does other stuff and there's stuff on the way that's needed

[nocturne dust]

Well, eeeehhhhh

it is restricting nonetheless

[plucky flax]

RIP other dude's soulblaze damage

[haughty star]

Yeah but like

[nocturne dust]

Like with duelist you still have your choice of keystone

[haughty star]

Who cares?

[ornate hamlet]

can ppschers absorb mauler hits?

[nocturne dust]

and ability

and really anything

[haughty star]

Yeah but dg comes with a flat 20 percent crit chance, you'd need piety to match that

[plucky flax]

No one but 2 burgas in 1 team is bad.

[nocturne dust]

or the top node which gives crit

[haughty star]

I feel like it's not bad it just makes the scoreboard funny lol

[fiery stratus]

damn my havoc 40 this week is ezpz

[nocturne dust]

and also the 20% crit isn't always active

[marble crater]

That's nothing compared to what you did to me

[plucky flax]

Just play better smh.

[marble crater]

[plucky flax]

[haughty star]

Neither is piety. I wouldn't say it's outright worse but yes psuker is slightly worse as a melee character. Definitely not weak tho

[nocturne dust]

Psyker is a lot worse

Weak? Eh

But they're no Zealot

[haughty star]

Plus you get other shit like assail flayer or perilous combustion, things that zealot has no match for

[idle aurora]

heavy swords are good on psyker on nah? Never tried running them

[radiant frigate]

psyker melee good because force bigsword

heavy swords are garbage-worthless same as on other classes

yes-yes

[nocturne dust]

I'd rank them as the worst in melee aside from maybe Ogryn, but that's only because of Havoc and Ogryn's inability to dodge

[haughty star]

I wouldn't personally. Probably the least forgiving but the damage output is there

[marble crater]

They are good and fun

[nocturne dust]

Well, sure, Psyker is good at ranged, yes

[haughty star]

Flayer and pc are not limited to ranged lol

[thorn cedar]

really not sure where this psyker inferiority complex comes from

[haughty star]

Yeah me neither

[nocturne dust]

No, but they're most effective with ranged weapons

[thorn cedar]

here's one thing the other two human classes have that psyker doesnt

[radiant frigate]

well we die when we eat overhead

[thorn cedar]

gold toughness

thats it

[radiant frigate]

bad at melee!

[wild anvil]

psyker can outperform any other character in melee in terms of pure damage output

[radiant frigate]

but the epic heretic slicing potential of force bigsword goes unmentioned

[marble crater]

What if bubble shield gave gold toughness

[radiant frigate]

epic

make it so

[thorn cedar]

id hate it even more

[wild anvil]

the problem with psyker is that if you screw up and take a hit, you're in trouble

[wispy bay]

Even vs WS vet?

[wild anvil]

yes, even WS vet

[nocturne dust]

I'm not saying Psyker is inferior as a whole, but I am saying Psyker is inferior in melee

That is just blatantly true

[wild anvil]

my scrier's psyker just does gross things damage-wise

[jovial juniper]

It's weird
Not really Finesse
Can't carapace nor Monstrosity
But kills everything else

[thorn cedar]

not really 'blatantly' true no

[jovial juniper]

Can't generate peril

[wispy bay]

I don't understand why they call it Heavy sword.

[wild anvil]

heavy sword is in a bad spot and needs to be rebalanced along with a lot of other weapons

[haughty star]

Perilous is huge in rager packs and tight mixed hordes. Something i legit hate about zealot in melee over psyker

[thorn cedar]

yea no free horde clear for picking out elites

sadge

[haughty star]

Just melting all that trash around you is like half the battle

[nocturne dust]

[thorn cedar]

no free intangibility from ranged attacks on crit either

[broken carbon]

scourge is very inconsistent if you don’t have a crit weapon

[haughty star]

It doesn't add up to alot on scoreboard but that's one of the reasons why scoreboard is bad lol

[patent mango]

heavy sword is so slow only to do like 3 dmg

[nocturne dust]

sure

[nocturne dust]

I think it's bad in the opposite direction, actually

[wild anvil]

all you need is blazing piety if you don't have a crit blessing

[nocturne dust]

The soulblaze is nice, sure, but most of the time it isn't going to change your BPs for melee on a poxwalker

so the damage is actually worse than it appears, because soulblaze almost never counts as overkill

[haughty star]

The soulblaze will literally melt every poxwalker around you in application lol

2 elite kills and all trash dies

Idk what could be better

[broken carbon]

30% isn’t really enough either, especially on weapons that kill fast

(relic blade)

[nocturne dust]

Sure, 2 slashes and they all die

🤷‍♂️

[wild anvil]

I'm at 40% with relic blade

[nocturne dust]

It really isn't hard to clear horde

[thorn cedar]

i dont take advice from people who cant use perfectionist

[haughty star]

2 slashes wasted on a elite coming for yo ass or trash hitting you while you're killing elites

[wild anvil]

over the course of a map

[haughty star]

[broken carbon]

which one is that again

i don’t remember

oh

25 stacks

[thorn cedar]

25 stacks dd

[broken carbon]

nvm

yah

[wild anvil]

perilous combustion is really good, and it scales stupidly well the higher in difficulty you go

[upper sun]

ok Mr E

[jovial juniper]

[nocturne dust]

Give me a video of it actually being good and useful mfer

[thorn cedar]

which one is Mr E

[radiant frigate]

i don't take perfectionism because it requires me to spend an extra talent point

[nocturne dust]

I dare yas

[upper sun]

the awful player with the nice voice

[thorn cedar]

i cant cause the UI is shit