psyker-class

[weary crane]

2016k

How is it so low

[wheat seal]

we die fast?

[weary crane]

Oh

Yeah 4 psykers aint a good idea

But i would like to try 4 smite lmb spam

[wheat seal]

it was good, just the players suck lol

[weary crane]

Ig it could work with no blight spread

[wheat seal]

they fight chaos in corner, etc etc

[half turtle]

i don't see any reason why 4 psykers can't work

[wheat seal]

4 psykers is realy strong

[weary crane]

.

[wheat seal]

just need human

[weary crane]

I'm down to join

I average 2000k dmg

[deft stump]

Did they even block? I got cornered by a chaos spawn before and panicked more at the random mauler that showed up.

[weary crane]

@wheat seal what do you run

[wheat seal]

wdym

level assignment?

[weary crane]

Build

[wheat seal]

inferno

[weary crane]

Best team would be 1 inferno for horde clear, 1 ball spam for ranged, 1 trauma to deal with carapace, and 1 smite spam

[marble crater]

Disagree on the spam part of smite, eventually too many enemies will be spread out and far apart and won't funnel into the inferno range anymore

[vestal ingot]

thoughts on replacing flak+ with carapace+ for inferno staff? I'm running penetrating flame

[verbal thistle]

or all go smite

no need to think

[marble crater]

Nah

[deft stump]

With +10% damage.

[zinc phoenix]

No boss damage

IMO you’d want bubble monkey, couple shrieks, laspistol

Or recon las

Something to convert ammo into boss deletion

[weary crane]

Okay replace smite with gaze duel sword

[vestal ingot]

wasn't sure since the scab rager change makes them take carapace damage now, I'll keep flak

[deft stump]

Just stab heds, it's ezy.

Their hed is flak btw.

[vestal ingot]

can't always go stabby with inferno staff when i'm dealing wtih horde

[marble crater]

They are still flak for soulblaze, for some reason

[vestal ingot]

huh

ok then

[weary crane]

Scab ragers are so weak its funny

[vestal ingot]

it's funny until they throw 30 of them at the same time with 10 crushers

[deft stump]

And like 15 maulers.

[clear heath]

@nocturne dust @hearty wolf @strong gulch are you guys down to play a game in a bit? I want a carry for my weekly havoc

[vestal ingot]

with pusarmor too

[hearty wolf]

Now or in a bit?

[clear heath]

I'm ready now if you are

[nocturne dust]

I've just finished

[hearty wolf]

strike team 8

anyone else want to join?

[hasty valve]

Apart from lightning storm are any of the other smite blitzes worth it for a gunker who rarely uses it? was thinking maybe charged strike since I often hard swing

[wheat seal]

which havoc

[hearty wolf]

50

[buoyant maple]

I can try but isn't the havoc rank bugged

[hearty wolf]

we just playing it cos its fun

and giga braindead easy

potato ran ek zapzap

[clear heath]

i'm gonna be somewhat trolling with my build

[strong gulch]

Assail is the usual pick for gunker. If you rarely use a blitz tho. BB with KF might be better because of the passive damage increase and access to psyk aura (blue CDR node).

[wheat seal]

you go?

[clear heath]

strike team 8 for whoever wants to join

[buoyant maple]

sure

give me like

maybe 2 mins

[hasty valve]

Recon handles whatever id wanna assail faster though, and i'd rarely use bb. Surprise elite groups can screw me though so that's why i wanna keep smite for now

[wispy bay]

Aiming is hard. Just throw assails in the general enemy position and call it a day.

[strong gulch]

Kf happen on it's own

[nocturne dust]

@buoyant maple also, what I was talking about earlier where I literally push the hound and it decides to not listen

[patent mango]

outskilled

[weary crane]

Or use assail macro

[uncut cloud]

what would be the perks for Eletrokinetic staff?

I got Flak and Maniac but I feel like there's something better

[turbid inlet]

Wait, are scab rager bodies carapace now?

[nocturne dust]

I use flak + unyielding

[uncut cloud]

Much thanks

[nocturne dust]

lets you hit better BPs on reapers and bulwarks + bosses

you do need perfect timing to hit those BPs though

[young summit]

They are

[wispy bay]

The torso is carapace.

[young summit]

Or I believe it's chest and arms

I know legs are flak

[wispy bay]

Head is flak

[turbid inlet]

I know, that's why I specified body.

[deft stump]

Just another day for me with lag btw.

[wispy bay]

The throwing knife deals like 0 damage vs scab rager due to carapace was my biggest shock after the update.

[hearty wolf]

We have 1 more spot

if anyone wants in

[buoyant maple]

if u slow down frame by frame u can see me pushing right behind u at the same time

[nocturne dust]

New dog buff

[buoyant maple]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/812451078221463632.gif?size=64

[bronze storm]

How we feel about only using head pop the whole game now hear me-

[worthy wasp]

Dclaw is the best psyker weapon

Dclaw + Electrostaff is life

[nocturne dust]

It's not but it does have funny parry nonsense

[worthy wasp]

1. Throw up a bubble
2. Shock stuff with Electrostaff
3. Enemies get close? Parry parry parry

Rinse and repeat

Dclaw claps hordes

Electro claps elites

[jovial juniper]

Bro's on honey moon phase
Don't rain on the parade this early

[lean mural]

yo what the shit

i just got netted through the wall shield????

[jovial juniper]

It's funny

Sometimes I catch myself with my hands out

Instead of my melee or ranged

[bronze storm]

I will forever wish i could become a human grenade and be thrown by an ogryn

[weary crane]

game with @raven bronze

2506.8k damage

[hearty wolf]

The spawns in Havoc are broken rn

[strong gulch]

"Did it hurt your brain??"

"ye"

[deft stump]

How so?

[hearty wolf]

It's just...

Like

Malice

Like nothing spawning

xd

[clear heath]

yeah it's just empty

[strong gulch]

Yeah it was empty.

[blissful solar]

free true survivor time?

[deft stump]

I guess ezy 40s.

[strong gulch]

It did dump a bunch of enemies on us when we.... you know I can't complete this thought.

Brain fog starting??

[raven bronze]

actually no, 3 of us got wiped like 2minutes before end elevator

[hearty wolf]

Tbf I was trolling

I was trying to trick shot a flamer

[clear heath]

our first game was only like 30 minutes

[hearty wolf]

but had no knives

or ammo

and lost half my health xd

[deft stump]

Is this nub play considering...

[strong gulch]

I switched to just BB for awhile.

[clear heath]

like my other havoc games have like 3 people with 1 million+ damage
This is like no enemies

wait wtf that was 1 non-captain boss in the whole havoc run

[noble mason]

Which map?

[strong gulch]

Archiveum??

[clear heath]

yeah

[noble mason]

Ya that's normal for that map

[hearty wolf]

No, it isn't xd

[noble mason]

Easiest one in the rotation

[hearty wolf]

It's easy

But there aren't entire empty rooms

with nothing in them

[strong gulch]

It wasn't. There were fewer spawns that regular T5.

[hearty wolf]

It was literally a graveyard for half the run xd

[noble mason]

I'm saying that damage is normal. Idk about empty rooms lol I wasn't there

[clear heath]

I only had like 2 gunners to attack at a time for the first 10 minutes

just a few scattered gunners

[strong gulch]

I even stopped using purg because it was just so thin.

[noble mason]

That's sad

[deft stump]

Servers dooking up, I guess.

[noble mason]

That map is piss easy tho. Events are so quick and free

[strong gulch]

The new carnival was empty too.

[noble mason]

Not sure I just pubbed and it was fine

[deft stump]

Funny considering normal aurics is fine.

[hearty wolf]

I'm not sure they were either?

@nocturne dust some of them were broken too right?

[deft stump]

Or did it just break?

Considering when we played, it was fine?

[hearty wolf]

I just think someting is busted

[strong gulch]

It was so empty that it has that weird feeling like a school, store, or theater that is normally loud and populated but is just vacant.

[hearty wolf]

Yeah when we played it was fine

that was the correct density

it was like 1/4 that

[zinc phoenix]

director loved you and wanted you to have a nice day

[hearty wolf]

It put us to sleep and we lost reeee

I'm still surprised we did

I had the boss on lock

what happened to everyone xd

[worthy wasp]

Aight, Psyker has by far and away the highest skill floor of all the classes

[dense flume]

I played a regular damnation earlier today and had like 3 full minutes of the strike team just walking through the map. Honestly thought we were back tracking at one point, but nope. Just empty. Not an isolated incident apparently?

[nocturne dust]

I don't think so, I think that was just our pacing + Infero + Good Vet/EK.

[hearty wolf]

Ah right

[worthy wasp]

Some psyker playstyles incentivize being totally braindead

[strong gulch]

I was also on boss, then gas and I saw a down and I went over then I couldn't move in gas because it was a bad idea to go over there.

[nocturne dust]

The vet also did have kraks

[worthy wasp]

A braindead Zealot spend the game dead.

A braindead psyker is surging everything, Bosses included.

[buoyant maple]

Yea
I’m also not sure if me hitting captain’s shield counted as damage for scoreboard

[strong gulch]

That random vet was pretty good. I enjoy good vets. I see so few out in the wild.

[buoyant maple]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1185515538475134998/1324905710420754563/Warhammer_40000_Darktide_Screenshot_2025.01.03_-_19.56.06.00.png?ex=6779da18&is=67788898&hm=1d843aea03ddb6c3e81ff20b74d17e7b7f9229bcbf893d235b60a6a54fcd3f97&

My scoreboard showed this

[quartz barn]

nice scoreboard

[nocturne dust]

Didja get true survivor yet?

[buoyant maple]

Potato downed first in the run we did (got insta melted by gunners)

[strong gulch]

No. I started getting brain fogged and couldn't remember how to manage peril.

[quartz barn]

also im pretty sure it doesnt

[clear heath]

It is not

[nocturne dust]

https://tenor.com/view/sad-fade-fade-away-disappear-evaporate-gif-16638726229780416323

[strong gulch]

Also DCs

[hearty wolf]

In the next round he died to POW in the first literal 3m

[buoyant maple]

Damn I cracked his shield twice for nothing

[clear heath]

Ovenproof said he couldn't do it with the scoreboard mod

[deft stump]

Potato potato'd.

[strong gulch]

I think I am in pre migraine town.

[clear heath]

I probably did a lot of shield damage with evis revs too

[quartz barn]

ngl the captain's are kinda buggy anyway

[buoyant maple]

What’s POW

[noble mason]

The sword captain is super buggy lol

[quartz barn]

love it when the sword variant's attack break

[buoyant maple]

Prisoner of war?

[hearty wolf]

Perils of the warp

[quartz barn]

mfw i die when he's just walking towards me

[noble mason]

Sword captain has no animation and bumper cars you to death

[buoyant maple]

Sword captain might be the hardest boss in havoc purely because his moveset is mad unpredictable (almost no windup)

[quartz barn]

its not the moveset

[noble mason]

Ya

[quartz barn]

its his aggro change mid chain

[strong gulch]

But legitimately, the end of this regular T5 high int run of Archivum felt like more was happening than in the end of the havoc 40 run.
https://youtu.be/BLe5NymXHqs?si=1lnBPNI7z08630RK&t=1678

[quartz barn]

also makes no sense that his kick deals about 100 dmg

[clear heath]

sword captain with lag can be messy

[noble mason]

I'm surprised u haven't had him bumper car you

[buoyant maple]

It’s also like next to impossible to dodge in time, I just block it now

[buoyant maple]

I’ve seen it before where he does zero animation but is dealing damage

[noble mason]

Ya

[quartz barn]

only monster you should dodge is oggy

[nocturne dust]

The random vet we had today had that happen to him

Instant-downed

[noble mason]

He has his sword down and is swinging with no animation

[quartz barn]

for spawn you just sit there and block, dodge the grab obv

[strong gulch]

Captain menacingly not doing anything and then ur dead.

[quartz barn]

sword captain just block

mace captain doesnt get to attack lol

[buoyant maple]

I think I did ok for the first havoc I played in like a week

[quartz barn]

i finally got my true survivor earlier this week

was pretty messy tho

[noble mason]

Havoc slacker

[quartz barn]

3 manned the last bit because the 4th got stuck oob

[buoyant maple]

I can’t play havoc when server teleports me at will / frames drop for no reason

[clear heath]

well anyways, martyrdom evis seems to borderline work in havoc

giving up literally all utility to do slightly more damage than meta support builds

epic

[noble mason]

That's a skill issue. Fix ur net!

[strong gulch]

EK with shriek was fun in havoc

[hardy coral]

do the Maulers take Carapace or Flak damage tick from Inferno staff? or is it a combination of both?

[hearty wolf]

Flak

[clear heath]

i honestly hate how much the hitmass increase is in havoc

i had to run wrath instead of my usual rampage

I've tried rampage shred evis in havoc last week and i couldn't cleave shit

[buoyant maple]

It works with a team that does stagger for u basically

[strong gulch]

https://tenor.com/view/waynes-world-waynesworld-waynes-world-movie-waynesworldmovie-mike-myers-gif-16872150122722991201

[hearty wolf]

Still kinda pissed we lost it for it being so easy

It's just

There was no victory in winning that

[buoyant maple]

Did y’all lose immediately after I left or smth

[strong gulch]

Do we even know if the fellows in yellow would even be there performing the ritual?

[hearty wolf]

The next run was too easy

Like

No mobs were spawning

and we got to end and just died in dumb ways somehow

entire rooms empty

[buoyant maple]

[cold ivy]

do sanction redactus targets (the captains with the round bubble shields that either have maces or swords) have unblockable/undodgeable attacks? the mace captain seems a lot easier in my limited experience, but i don't understand how to deal with the sword ones, usually i just spam melee and hope for the best but every now and then i will take a gigantic hit

[buoyant maple]

Sword boss is simple, don’t 1v1 him (his animations are very janky)

His kick & dash are both pretty hard to dodge, so ur better off blocking them

Don’t get hit by his charged swing

Don’t try to trade his combo

Sometimes he is attacking even though he has no animations

[fickle nacelle]

i only have 5 Psyker penances left and 2 of them are Lifeleach

[cold ivy]

got it, thanks! is the charged swing blockable or should i be trying to not be in the area at all costs (like plogryn stomp or mauler/crusher overheads that go straight through blocks?)

[buoyant maple]

Not worth blocking, just don’t be in that area

I think it’s unblockable?

[cold ivy]

ok, thanks! i will remember this the next time one of them shows up

[buoyant maple]

Unblockable + big damage

[weary crane]

https://tenor.com/view/pulp-fiction-confused-travolta-where-lost-gif-5308454

[buoyant maple]

Best strat is to delay him for as long as possible if he’s targeting u until ur team deals with the other boss, then u beat him down as a group

Don’t lock yourself into 1v1 with him in a small room

[fickle nacelle]

only 50000 more damage to go for Minds Aegis than i will have every Psyker ability penance completed

[ashen vine]

Sword boss is 1v1able, just have to block his multi hit combo

and watch for when he basically T poses and does the multi hit combo xd

the charged swing is blockable

[nocturne dust]

I mean, all bosses are 1v1able

[weary crane]

This must be a world record right? 2.5 million damage?

[nocturne dust]

eh

[weary crane]

Haven't seen higher

[nocturne dust]

wouldn't know, wouldn't care 🤷‍♂️

Idk what you'd have to do to have that many enemies you can put that much damage on

[weary crane]

Lmao

You don't like seeing people better than you do you?

[nocturne dust]

If you think damage numbers make you better, good for you scoreboard bro

weird contest but alright

[weary crane]

Not a contest

You're just a negative prick

[nocturne dust]

I wasn't even being negative

I was just saying, 2.5 million worth of spawns (+ usual amount of damage on the other teammates) is unusual

[noble mason]

looks like a venting shriek psyker with the purg staff

[nocturne dust]

That might do it, yeah

[weary crane]

It wasn't

[noble mason]

better be scriers then!

[buoyant maple]

Moebian 21st, hope for high elite (ogryn) spawn rate

[noble mason]

sciers with purg is legit af

[weary crane]

37 minutes so u cant say i dragged it out

[nocturne dust]

May the Director be ever in your favor 🙏

[nocturne dust]

💀

[nocturne dust]

wait that seems kinda sus given their amount of kills

[buoyant maple]

yea because m21st groaners don't show up on normal scoreboard as "lesser kills"

[noble mason]

it goes it man. trust

[nocturne dust]

Ah

[buoyant maple]

it's the only way u can get that many kills with such low "lesser kills" stat

[nocturne dust]

Another win for Ovenproof

[buoyant maple]

I'm too lazy to use plugins

[analog agate]

How do you guys prevent the pink text?

[nocturne dust]

Yeah, definitely goes as well as Inferno without shriek.

[buoyant maple]

ultra simplistic scoreboard is best for me

[nocturne dust]

[nocturne dust]

pink text?

[nocturne dust]

but... but... numbers

[ashen vine]

most I've gotten is 1.7 mil. But I use Power DI and they calculate damage and kills differently than Scoreboard

idk how either does it

[nocturne dust]

I can't use PowerDI anymore

[buoyant maple]

the only numbers I need

[nocturne dust]

too crashy for me

[ashen vine]

scoreboard is the performance killer for me tbh

Power DI lets you see peoples builds too it's awesome

[nocturne dust]

I just have a scoreboard plugin for that

[ashen vine]

ovenproof?

[nocturne dust]

no

https://www.nexusmods.com/warhammer40kdarktide/mods/160

[buoyant maple]

I can't be bothered to show like a bunch of stats in scoreboard because they're so heavily in favor of psyker lol

[ashen vine]

oh I never liked that

Power DI shows it in basic menu UI like it's your character

[nocturne dust]

me getting least damage taken on Psyker

[buoyant maple]

ammo pickup = nonexistent
lesser kills = moebian 21st is bugged and it kinda doesn't matter
score = psyker uses least resources so they'll easily top score

[ashen vine]

me operating every switch in the level and picking up medcrates to inflate my team score

[strong gulch]

enemies staggered is so silly for that

[buoyant maple]

yea and crit hits

[nocturne dust]

This is why Ovenproof was invented

[buoyant maple]

like, in what context can any build compete with inferno for "number of crit hits"

[ashen vine]

You got less weakspot hits than me bro

You're trash

[buoyant maple]

nah I just went ultra simplistic route instead, much better

[nocturne dust]

- Sincerely, Assailker

[buoyant maple]

only the info I need are shown

[nocturne dust]

I need all the info

[ashen vine]

Hey what are your guys' thoughts on this build

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9ca962fe-05a2-405e-83da-d2f230bdf332/soulblaze-gunpsyker-havoc

[buoyant maple]

Blazing spirit kinda not worth for melee

[ashen vine]

The goal is to spread soulblaze for Souldrinker procs

and wildfire

[buoyant maple]

@hearty wolf @strong gulch are you guys’ “highest assignment rank completed this week” for havoc also 0

[nocturne dust]

very not worth

[nocturne dust]

Souldrinker is not worth that, because the kills have to be from soulblaze

*except for a small percentage that are excluded

(note: the psykhanium doesn't work properly with souldrinker)

[ashen vine]

As long as they have soulblaze on them when they die you'll get the stack

[nocturne dust]

wrong

[ashen vine]

Or so I'm told

[nocturne dust]

That's the psykhanium testing talking, and it's erroneous

[lethal delta]

that is for warp syphon

you get warp charges

[nocturne dust]

(actually warp siphon's In Fire Reborn could work the same way, people haven't tested it because it would be annoying)

[ashen vine]

uhm

[nocturne dust]

but people have measured In Fire Reborn's general rate of return in actual play, so the point is moot for it

[ashen vine]

are you sure you don't get souldrinker stacks

[nocturne dust]

Yes

Again, Psykhanium is wrong

do not trust the Psykhanium

[ashen vine]

im not talking from psyk though

ill test it rn in a game

[nocturne dust]

Test it a couple times

Because as I said

sometimes it works anyway

[ashen vine]

well there's gotta be a reason for that then

[nocturne dust]

About 20% of the time

[buoyant maple]

Fatshark’s arcane code

[nocturne dust]

server desync is the guess of @wind spruce who did the testing

and would make sense because Psykhanium is local? I dunno, not sure how the Psykh works

[buoyant maple]

Psykhanium is local host and can be played offline (even though you can’t swap loadout if offline)

[nocturne dust]

and also even if it worked properly and everything was fine, it would still suck

[ashen vine]

Well besides the sword blessing what do you guys think of the build

[nocturne dust]

because Blazing Spirit doesn't activate on kills

and Souldrinker is only toughness and a smidge of crit

and can't even refresh

[nocturne dust]

It's one of the builds. I wouldn't call it meta but if you want a fire sword it's alright I guess. Not sure why you aren't taking Warp Splitting tho

[ashen vine]

Does the Souldrinker buff icon look different in game than in the talent tree?

[analog agate]

Yeah. When I used it it was spamming pink text anytime a new weapon got a special/elite kill on my screen

[buoyant maple]

What mod is causing that

[analog agate]

It was ovenproof when the new weapons (shock maul and pickaxes) came out

[supple dock]

---++**---+*-+

+-*+

[nocturne dust]

oh, the shockmaul stuff?

Update Ovenproof

I think

It's either normal Scoreboard or Ovenproof

you can also find the fix in the posts for the mod

[analog agate]

I was ovenproof. I thought it wasn't updated anymore cause he was only doing di

[nocturne dust]

if updating doesn't work

[nocturne dust]

Yeah the fix is in the posts

[analog agate]

ah

[nocturne dust]

you do need a trailing comma for the shockmaul line tho

[plucky flax]

What is trailing comma

[nocturne dust]

It means add a comma to the end of the line

so
"shockmaul_stun_interval_damage",

[plucky flax]

Okay I will fix my mod later thanks

[nocturne dust]

instead of
"shockmaul_stun_interval_damage"

[hot inlet]

Is Voidstrike viable in auric?

[hearty wolf]

Yes

[hot inlet]

I used to play a long time ago, it seems way weaker now and I find myself struggling with dealing good enough damage

[hot inlet]

What kind of build do you run it with?

[hearty wolf]

It's the 4th best option for staffs

[jovial juniper]

Probably True Aim difference

[hot inlet]

Unsure what you mean

[jovial juniper]

Like

You could proc True Aim multiple times before

Per shot

But now it's just once

[nocturne dust]

Very

Yeah, not only true aim but also mettle

although I think mettle is bugged and works anyway with Voidstrike?

mettle very bugged

[jovial juniper]

I don't even remember Mettle changes lol

[nocturne dust]

Mettle is also once per attack

or supposed to be

but it doesn't work with trauma

works once per target with Inferno (if the first hit is a crit)

[hearty wolf]

@nocturne dust btw next time I want you to take shriek with EK

Because it really looked like it was doing work

[nocturne dust]

and works as it did in the old days with Voidstrike (if I'm not mistaken)

[hot inlet]

Can you guys recommend a build for Voidstrike then?

[nocturne dust]

I can recommend several, do you want to use Shriek or Scrier's Gaze?

[nocturne dust]

I guess I can do that but then someone else has to bubble

[hot inlet]

i'm used to shriek tbh

[hearty wolf]

Yeye just swap with Potato

[nocturne dust]

1 Free point

I would recommend Quick Shards or Empathic Evasion

[hot inlet]

definitely different than mine, I'll try it

[nocturne dust]

The most important points for Voidstrike are Warp Splitting and Disrupt Destiny

[hot inlet]

Currently I was using Warp shipon and Brain Burst. Didn't think about Warp Splitting affecting Voidstrike

[nocturne dust]

Warp Splitting affects all cleave, including Assail

but not smite (limited by range and not cleave)

[hot inlet]

why take the soulblaze nodes?

[nocturne dust]

Shriek is all about Soulblaze

You shriek at 85%+ peril to get 6 stacks which wipes hordes and damages elites

PC lets you take that further

In other soulblaze staff builds, you take it even further with Wildfire, but Voidstrike has weaknesses to shore up and needs to be closer to Warp Splitting

Every staff is strong, but Voidstrike is the weakest of the staves currently. It still does fine in Auric comparatively.

[hot inlet]

Mh, i see. Thanks, I'll try it out

How did it became weaker than the others? It used to be kind of strong

[nocturne dust]

Empyric Resolve

Well, for EK and Trauma

For Inferno, it got Blaze Away

[plucky flax]

Damage nerf and tru aim nerf

[nocturne dust]

That too

Every other staff got stronger and Voidstrike got weaker

[prime elk]

what did they do to VS damage? 🤔

[wind spruce]

Nothing since shortly after the talent rework

[thorn cedar]

i fucken love mind in motion

[nocturne dust]

We all make mistakes

[wind spruce]

I love that I'm never forced into taking a garbage talent with zero value

Thanks malefic momentum

[thorn cedar]

oh you just take both

[wind spruce]

Or you could take something that has value

[narrow herald]

whats a good heavy sword build?

[wind spruce]

YES

IVE BEEN WAITING FOR THIS MOMENT

[nocturne dust]

Go play Zealot

[narrow herald]

no

[nocturne dust]

Then perish

[worthy wasp]

Oh my god

I just deleted a boss with dclaw

[nocturne dust]

[worthy wasp]

DELETED

[nocturne dust]

[wind spruce]

@narrow herald

Run with recon

It goes hard af

[nocturne dust]

If it's not faster than DS4 I'm rioting

[wind spruce]

Oh I forgot one with the warp

Drop battle med or something for it

[prime elk]

drop PC

[worthy wasp]

Had a pack of ragers swinging at me and I was directing all the parries at the bosses.

I was machine gunning off parries

[nocturne dust]

That's cheating

[wind spruce]

If you want to optimise for when your team is alive, yes. For clutching, no.

[nocturne dust]

and still improbable that you deleted it that quickly

[worthy wasp]

I melted 1 boss and nearly killed the other

[prime elk]

it's mid at best, regardless of the situation tbh

[thorn cedar]

PC is awkward. Sometimes I want to drop it because, well, FGS already wipes away so much

But that's not always available

[wind spruce]

It's much better when you're the only one killing elites/spez

[hearty wolf]

Inb4 it was weakened

[wind spruce]

And killing off all low enemies in a small radius because you killed off two elites/specials is gud....especially when you're team isn't there to wipe them up and all you have is heavy sword for it

[worthy wasp]

DClaw is the best psyker weapon

Well, best psyker melee

[prime elk]

i mean the damage when PC when it's the sole source of SB is pretty pathetic

[wind spruce]

In solo situations it'll net ~10% of your damage

[prime elk]

but i guess there isn't much else to take in that build anyway

[wind spruce]

That's better than most offensive talents

[prime elk]

and if your team is functioning, it's like 4% lol

[wind spruce]

I literally already made that caveat

[prime elk]

10% maybe if your team is somehow dead the entire match

[wind spruce]

F

[prime elk]

which is hell of an assumption

i mean it happens ig

but not a high priority talent on a bonker/gunker build in my eyes

[strong gulch]

yes

[buoyant maple]

Oof

[prime elk]

fatshart moment

[nocturne dust]

the other

so weakened

[nocturne dust]

https://tenor.com/view/palpatine-star-wars-foreseen-vision-psychic-gif-12611637

[dusk void]

Whoops 😬

No Darktide for me tonight 😆

[plucky flax]

[sturdy marlin]

hey guys, is this class beginner friendly ? if so, is there a build to go for ? looking for something like a support mage or similar

[prime elk]

i wouldn't say psyker's a beginner friendly class

zealot might be the easiest to learn the game with tbh

but yes, if you want to play a support mage role, it'd be psyker

[nocturne dust]

This is probably the least beginner-friendly class

[strong gulch]

If you want to start on this class then go for it.

Of the classes, it's the least forgiving and psyker doesn't really come together until you have most of levels. In the begining, you don't have much to help with peril mitigation and staff scaling is bad until you get higher rolls. Assail (right side blitz) will be your friend as you level. It over performs in lower difficulties and bypasses the need for a lot of your gear. You'll need an option for crushers (the really big armored guys with a hammer).

[sturdy marlin]

mhm okay, guess ill try and see how it goes. which classes are beginner friendly if im not happy with psyker ?

[analog agate]

Zealot

[prime elk]

yeah i'd suggest learning the game with zealot prob

[sturdy marlin]

mhm okay thank you

[prime elk]

melee is a fundamental skill in the game, and zealot teaches you a lot of melee (and you can still use guns)

it shows when people play psyker too much-- they fold like wet tissue paper in melee

[deft stump]

Or if you dare, start with oggy or once you play with the mobility of the human chars, oggys might be harder.

[prime elk]

except for bonkers ofc, which are naturally the most based psykers

[digital narwhal]

@plucky flax gg

[plucky flax]

gg

Since yesterday night my game is stuttering so bad.

I blame clad.

[ashen vine]

Psyker has the most build variety imo, you’ll learn the game just fine on any class. But zealot has an easy time living and is melee focused.

[sturdy marlin]

then zealot sounds perfect for me

💀

[deft stump]

He martyrdom anyway, can take our sins for us or summthing.

[ashen vine]

Grrrrr! You better not have been going stealth martyrdom in this games you were playing! 😠

[deft stump]

Though playing Zealot means if you forget vet and psyker is a thousand times more paper with no safety nets... heh

[ashen vine]

Tbh I’ve noticed every chat downplays their main class

[deft stump]

I don't have a main. I play Zealot and Vet fairly equally with a touch of Psyker.

Although, I do run on pure panic so IDK.

[sturdy marlin]

uhm, i dont understand. zealot is weaker when without the other classes ?

[deft stump]

No. Zealot will make you feel invincible if you get good with the class.

But when you switch to vet/psyker, you potato if you do the same thing as you do on zealot.

[sturdy marlin]

ah i see

[deft stump]

IDK oggy since I basically don't play oggy.

[prime elk]

psyker > vet/zealot > ogryn in terms of class meta atm

[ashen vine]

Vet is very strong with good melee options but more emphasis on ranged, they have a harder time pulling a Leeroy Jenkins though.

[nocturne dust]

[deft stump]

Why the, you will usually potato if you do what a zealot can get away with.

[nocturne dust]

Psyker is the one who has the hardest time pulling a Leeroy, people are just overvaluing their damage output (because they are the highest)

[plucky flax]

I can play what I want surely.

[ashen vine]

So you were martyr stealth I knew it!

[deft stump]

If you potato, I panic even harder though.

[ashen vine]

Count your days, bucko

They’re running out

I see my gunpsyker friend run out in the open with his recon lasgun and kill every gunner in sight without taking damage so

It’s not like psyker can’t live or kill or pull a Leeroy

[deft stump]

If you crit, you ignore ranged damage. I think.

[ashen vine]

With empathetic evasion yeah

[deft stump]

For like 1.5 secs.

[ashen vine]

Recon lasgun is basically guaranteed full uptime on that as long as you have ammo

[deft stump]

Is just more gambly compared to until clutch.

And all the dodge bs built into zealot.

[nocturne dust]

Sure, but Psyker has the least amount of safety doing almost anything. It's not a huge surprise that in the one mode where everyone loses pretty much all safety, Psyker excels.

[ashen vine]

Psyker excels because ammo is in the dumpster and they have staffs

[deft stump]

Cos everyone potatoes in a sec if you mess up on 40.

[ashen vine]

That happen to be very strong

[nocturne dust]

Eh

[deft stump]

So the main issue with psyker is thrown out the window.

[ashen vine]

My friend who mains gunpsyker always fiend for a survivalist vet in our games

[nocturne dust]

I mean, ammo is important, yeah, but a vet can keep 2 ammo spenders spending ammo throughout a Havoc 40

[ashen vine]

Yeah 2 ammo spenders and a staff psyker xd

[cold ivy]

psyker consolidates "provide safety from ranged units" and "kill arbitrary amounts of high-hitmass horde units" into one character, and it's a lot easier to do havocs when you have both

[nocturne dust]

Well yes, there's not enough ammo for 4 bolter vets

[ashen vine]

Idk I don’t see many vets in my havocs, just psykers and chorus bot zealot

[nocturne dust]

That's because vet is harder to play

for havocs at least

[ashen vine]

I think it’s the new weapons made everyone switch and they didn’t bother going back

That’s my theory

[deft stump]

You don't even need to DPS as a chorus bot with free crits and corruption removal.

[ashen vine]

What makes you say vet is the hardest

[nocturne dust]

uh, I don't?

Ogryn is the hardest

[ashen vine]

I hate chorus bots who cap 300k dam in a 40 min game

Well okay you know what I mean

[deft stump]

Oggy is hardest, only the best oggys make it to 40 when havoc isn't bugged.

[ashen vine]

What makes you say vet is harder?

Well ogryn needs to meta slave a bit harder than other classes

Bleed shield with bleed DR and charge goes a long way in carrying and doing big damage

[nocturne dust]

Well, cuz they don't have Bible and they don't have Bubble

[ashen vine]

If you’re not shield then you go pickaxe, which is worse but viable. And those are your only real options

[ashen vine]

Shout w/ tactical awareness?

And demolition team with frag grenades is huge

[nocturne dust]

Prolonged stagger to everything around while buffing damage and giving double the gold toughness shout does or giving a clear 'over here' to the team while simultaneously telling ranged enemies 'no' is wildly different from a single stagger

Grenades are kinda overrated

[ashen vine]

Hand out frags like they’re candy

Multiple every team fight

[nocturne dust]

Sure

You won't do near the damage of the Inferno psyker

You might beat the Zealot if they're not cleaving things in twain with Relic

[deft stump]

That's just weaker chorus with +dmg.

[ashen vine]

Well shout doesn’t require a channel

[nocturne dust]

chorus has +dmg

[ashen vine]

It does after 5 pulses if you spec into it

[nocturne dust]

You get the same effect for yourself at the end tho, things are still staggered

[ashen vine]

20% for 10 seconds

[cold ivy]

idk if you can easily get 1sbs breakpoints on tox bombers with plasma in high havocs, but i hate tox bombers

[ashen vine]

A lot of zealots don’t take it

[deft stump]

Yes, but I mean weaker chorus that took damage buff.

[nocturne dust]

you just also give your team tons more

[nocturne dust]

Well, a lot of psykers immediately die

Your point?

[ashen vine]

I mean shout is lower CD and is instant, you’re doing damage the whole time

[deft stump]

And you stagger for longer, buying more time if required.

[ashen vine]

I’m not saying book is bad by any means

[nocturne dust]

But there is no 'whole time'

The damage buff is refreshed each pulse btw

[ashen vine]

I think you guys are just jorking books head a little

[nocturne dust]

so you get the full time

[deft stump]

Also, helps with fartgas.

[ashen vine]

What

[nocturne dust]

[ashen vine]

20% for 10 seconds

Is how chorus damage buff works

After the 5th pulse

[nocturne dust]

You've given zero reasons as to why Vet's shout is better than Book

[nocturne dust]

Yes

[ashen vine]

Lower CD, instant cast doesn’t require a channel, and tactical awareness CDR are my reasons

[nocturne dust]

Again

[deft stump]

Thing is, you get 6 or 7 pulses. Which I think will refresh.

[nocturne dust]

There's no benefit to 'instant cast'

Yes

You get extra pulses

[ashen vine]

So it lasts like 11-12 seconds then

I know chorus

[nocturne dust]

Zealot has crit CDR

and on top of that, Psyker is the one giving everyone CDR anyway

CD matters very little

[ashen vine]

What? Instant cast means you don’t give up dealing damage to use your ability, you are actively doing damage the whole time

Shout will be up more

[deft stump]

And any psyker worth any salt will have psykinetic.

[nocturne dust]

Sure. Is that meaningful damage tho?

[ashen vine]

YES

IT IS

[nocturne dust]

No

Because Psyker has infinite cleave

[ashen vine]

What we’re talking about get

Vet

[nocturne dust]

Yes

[deft stump]

You just buy time for your psykers to delete.

[nocturne dust]

Vet's damage is meaningless because the psyker can deal with it

[ashen vine]

??

I’m not following

[deft stump]

And they give you more cdr in return.

[nocturne dust]

Psyker's Trauma and Inferno have infinite cleave

[ashen vine]

You’re saying a teammate doing damage is meaningless

[nocturne dust]

meaning no matter how many targets come at Psyker

Psyker can deal with them provided only one thing: time

Book gives Psyker time

Shout gives drastically less time

Even if used twice as often

(which it won't be)

[plucky flax]

I'm sorry I will only run the most 'meta' from the guy who is worse than me.

[prime elk]

book > shout in havoc
shout >>>>>>>> book outside of havoc

[nocturne dust]

(because Psyker's psykinetics will cause CDR to go crazy)

[ashen vine]

Shout and made spam vet with something like plasma gun isn’t meaningless damage

[nocturne dust]

yeh this

[ashen vine]

It clears shit a lot faster

[nocturne dust]

than psyker?

[ashen vine]

Oh my days bro

[wooden sand]

Why yall arguing on shout?

[nocturne dust]

Havoc is a team mode, my guy

[wooden sand]

[ashen vine]

Comparing shout to book

[plucky flax]

I stutter less on psyker than on zealot.

[ashen vine]

Well it originally started with which is the harder class then got off topic

[nocturne dust]

harder for Havoc specifically

[ashen vine]

They’re giving the book massive head

[deft stump]

For havoc.

[nocturne dust]

and you're pretending Shout is somehow better for Havoc

[ashen vine]

Vet as a whole, I mean

Demolition team frag nade spam plays a huge part

And infinite ammo with recon lasgun, infernus dot penetration pox armor

[nocturne dust]

Book is just too valuable, man

[ashen vine]

Or plasma gun

[deft stump]

We aren't arguing auric or normal. Shout is better in those due to things exploding faster and such. 'Nades can actually kill.

[ashen vine]

I went into a game with charge, and this ogryn said “book?” Then left when I didn’t go book

[modest patrol]

Love me book, but then again haven't played much Vet.

[nocturne dust]

If you don't run out of nades with Demo, Psyker is keeping Book up 100% of the time and that's far more valuable for the team

[nocturne dust]

Understandable

[ashen vine]

The other called me neurodivergent and left after running in and dying

[nocturne dust]

Less Understandable

[ashen vine]

People are too reliant and overvaluing it imo. It’s still top tier meta but I don’t see it as god tier

[nocturne dust]

That doesn't make sense

[deft stump]

This one is that other person being an arsehat. I can understand asking for meta stuff and leaving if not wanting to risk it.

[nocturne dust]

It's top tier precisely because people can overrely on it and be fine

It requires less skill

[ashen vine]

lol it was my key anyway he’s not risking shit

Weak mental on that ogryn imo

[nocturne dust]

Less Understandable

lol

Maybe they just don't want to bother with wasting time

[ashen vine]

They won’t waste time because I’m a fucking beast

[nocturne dust]

💀

[ashen vine]

Oorah

It’s always the RP Ogryn who are the first to complain

[deft stump]

Then is their choice to not possibly waste their time. Some ppl play to only win, not to derp around with friends, win or lose.

[ashen vine]

Weird

My build isn’t derp, I play to win. I’m just not running chorus lol

Their choice to sit in lobby while we 3 man that shit

[nocturne dust]

Brother, playing to win would be to take chorus

[ashen vine]

Nah xd

[nocturne dust]

[cold ivy]

chorus + duelling sword is very complementary to psyker stuff because the only major up-close threat is carapace or bosses, inferno can single-handedly deal with everything else

[ashen vine]

I do 40s with my gunpsyker friend and me on charge zealot pretty often

[nocturne dust]

Ok, and?

[ashen vine]

Ideally we always get a vet for my gunpsyker friend

[cold ivy]

for a bunch of crushers you just chorus and everyone pulls out duelling swords, pokes them to death, and then continues killing horde

[deft stump]

Even when actual carries take it to ensure a run goes smoother.

[nocturne dust]

The meta is not defined by your ability to complete Havoc 40 on X builds

[ashen vine]

I’m basically saying it’s not as god tier as people think it is, I’m not trying to flex my guns as a main point

[nocturne dust]

The meta is defined by what can complete the hardest difficulty with the minimum skill

Book is exactly that

so it is literal top tier

[deft stump]

You have no clue how good or bad your teammates are.

[nocturne dust]

There is nothing above it (for Zealot)

[ashen vine]

Chorus bots who do no damage make things harder imo, it’s why I don’t like em. They don’t contribute enough outside of chorus

[deft stump]

When you have 2 good psykers, they don't really need to DPS. Just keep the Psykers alive.

[nocturne dust]

Psykers have infinite cleave. Chorus bots are for chorus alone.

[deft stump]

You poke things if needed and to speed up cdr.

[nocturne dust]

Like it or not, that's the meta that requires the least skill

[ashen vine]

I have a video with 2 vets spamming nades and me on zealot with charge, another on chorus. We did it in 29 mins

[cold ivy]

i think 1 chorus zealot 1 shout vet 1 bubble psyker all with duelling swords is probably the simplest/meta way to do it because then you have enough ammo to kill shooters/gunners/specialists, enough anti-carapace to deal with crushers and enough horde clear for everything else (plus you have bubble for safety)

the last one can be another copy of one of the above

[nocturne dust]

Speed is a different kind of meta

[ashen vine]

Alternating between 2 chorus is the easiest way imo

[plucky flax]

I like 3 psykers 1 zealot

[ashen vine]

If you’re on top of resetting the CD you basically have max chorus uptime

[deft stump]

See. That's 2 chorus users required.

[ashen vine]

Not required xd

[hoary badge]

I don't know what's causing this behavior, but warp unbound smite is wildly inconsistent at not autoquelling during unbound grace period

[ashen vine]

Alternate between shout gold toughness is just as good

I say

[nocturne dust]

Fatshark programming is the cause

[hoary badge]

I'm trying to go for empowered smite and it's eating up my stacks for no good reason

[deft stump]

You have 1 slot. 2 chorus, 1 vet with VoC and 1 psyker with bubble.

[ashen vine]

Yawn zzz

Fallin asleep over here

[hoary badge]

yea I'm chalking it up to the same deal why people get missing inputs

server shenanigans

[deft stump]

I know that works in 25-30 even when everyone isn't top tier players. It's safe but it helps with winning.

Selfish builds are the worst unless you really sit on the top 1%.

And even then, unless you are sure you can clutch solo 40 yourself, it's better to be a teamplayer.

[ashen vine]

It doesn’t need to be that far

Just play with your team despite the build and you’ll perform fine

Charge doesn’t mean be selfish run ahead and int

And doesn’t require god tier mechanics either

[deft stump]

It would require everyone to be peak though. If all 4 decided to just run DPS things.

[ashen vine]

Well it is havoc 40

[noble mason]

my favorite havoc 40 clear was 2 charge zealots 1 infiltrate vet and a taunt ogryn. fun times

[ashen vine]

Mine was 2 vet me as martyr charge and gunpsyker

Full throttled through the map no stop

[noble mason]

charge is great on zealot. if i need to put the training wheels on i go chorus for new players

[nocturne dust]

I mean, the speed meta would be stealth probably

Skip every encounter

[ashen vine]

I never agreed with the training wheels thing people say in general but I understand it

I think newer players are better off taking builds that let them learn the mechanics more than anything

[deft stump]

If you play with randoms, most expect safe wins.

[noble mason]

i play with mostly randoms

[ashen vine]

You were expecting beacon chorus zealots but it was ME, MARTYRDOM CHARGE

[noble mason]

but thats the problem i have with pubbing 40's

nobody can be trusted lol

[ashen vine]

I POP OFF BRO trust

[deft stump]

Also sec, getting a doggo walking on me.

[noble mason]

Nah i mean the psyker getting over headed 2 minutes into the match

[ashen vine]

Happens to the best of us

[noble mason]

very true

i just like putting myself in the best position possible in pubs and that usually requires me to bring charge instead of chorus

its also alot funner too

[deft stump]

Getting "attacked" by 2 fluffers.

But yeah, in PF pubs, the rule is basically, host rules.

Their key, their choice.

Everyone else should be running safer builds. Unless it's agreed upon before.

[dull osprey]

why do voidstrike deal bajillion damage to the captains with 0 charge spam balls?

is it a bug?

[slender palm]

thoughts on smite psyker?

[plucky flax]

I was so tilted I just abandoned that round. Trapper half-phase through wall then guy wouldn't take 1s of his time to unwrap me from net.

[deft stump]

Sounds like pubs.

[plucky flax]

Maelstrom ready player.

Better I left than lose my sanity and continued to play with him.

[deft stump]

Yes, still pubs.

[plucky flax]

I don't always want to play with people since sometimes I can only do 1 round.

Pubbies good.

[deft stump]

Ah.

I'm on way back. Double floofers become single floofer again.

[wispy bay]

By the big E, I got a 8h sleep.

[deft stump]

That's good.

[wispy bay]

Holidays are over, getting back to my usually odd schedule.

Correction, it has always been odd.

[deft stump]

Heh.

[wispy bay]

Time for Thammer.

[vernal temple]

What's with the influx of inexperienced players on Auric missions? Sometimes it feels like I'm babysitting the whole group

A couple of minutes into a mission, I'm still at full health while my teammates already manage to lose a wound or get yeeted into the warp by a barrel explosion

[wispy bay]

Many people are running 2 and even 3 wounds curio.

[young falcon]

Could be PS5 players, got released only a couple months ago. Or new people from the Locked and Loaded update like myself.

[deft stump]

Winter sale as well.

[wispy bay]

The back seating is so real, too. I was facing the horde as stealth zealot, and the dude told me to just go stealth and revive in the thick of enemy.

[deft stump]

You know some ppl jump to diffs they can't do thinking is their ability lvl.

[wispy bay]

And no, most people are on Steam, not PS5/Xbox.

[young falcon]

Def that.

[wispy bay]

You can check their profile.

[young falcon]

I've seen a decent amount of ps5 people. But I'm also still leveling some classes in Malice.

My only auric ready class is Zealot

[wispy bay]

Console players usually don't back seating in chat.

[deft stump]

While I do the opposite and stay below what ppl think I should be playing.

[young falcon]

True

I don't even think they see it, which is even more tragic

[vernal temple]

Sometimes that's what needs to be done on havoc. You revive a psyker who immediately puts down a bubble and starts creating breathing space with trauma.

[deft stump]

They are probs talking about auric max though.

[weary idol]

as long as you know the person you're reviving has minimum 2 brain cells then yes this is the right thing to do

[vernal temple]

Fair

[weary idol]

this may surprise you but having a teammate that is not downed

is better than having a teammate that is downed

[vernal temple]

And in other news:

[deft stump]

Sometimes it makes no difference if they are really bad or AFKing.

[weary idol]

why do you think I mentioned the minimum of 2 braincells

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1033034004288520254/1117316081426628649/IMG_0262.gif

[vernal temple]

Clearly more than two braincells between those eyes

[lavish glade]

maybe 3

[marble crater]

It's only more than one brain cell because that cat is not orange

[sleek creek]

is scriers gaze usefull for melee?

[wispy bay]

Depend on the situation, when I'm soloing a horde, especially when they are just downed, using stealth means all of the enemies are still agro on them, reviving them doesn't guarantee that they will be able to move out.

[wispy bay]

It was not Havoc, and when Im the last man standing, Im not going to do that unless I can thin the horde down to a reasonable number.

[marble crater]

Very, yes

[sleek creek]

came back after a few months and the new sword and talents tempt me to make a melee build lol

[wispy bay]

If I can reach a respawn point, I will revive a zealot or vet for the shout/chorus over the psyker.

[marble crater]

Your true colors are revealed now

[wispy bay]

Equality for all!

[vernal temple]

No love for psykers?

[wispy bay]

Those who are human dictated by the Imperium.

[vernal temple]

Psykers are human, tho

[marble crater]

When I'm playing with random and the revive is urgent I will probably revive the best player first, no matter the class

[vernal temple]

How can you revive the best player, when the best player is the Emperor?

[wispy bay]

When they are all trashes, then it is down to classes.

[marble crater]

He is dead too and can be revived

[wispy bay]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1046913589614747719/1310224792594681896/Screenshot_2024-11-24_074410.png?ex=6779d62d&is=677884ad&hm=11ffe0c722ff15eeef3582970012dae2cc44d4a62bddd9327d4aed170a5eddbc&=&format=webp&quality=lossless&width=1058&height=595

[vernal temple]

GW should not revive Big E

[upper sun]

actually

[wispy bay]

In that game, I might be able to revive the Big E himself.

[upper sun]

ive been in that situation once

2 psykers one vet

went for the vet first and he fucking died

[marble crater]

Surely that number is bugged, there doesn't seem to be enough time to die that much in 33 minutes

[upper sun]

after 3 more minutes of killing and kiting i went for the smyker and revived everyone else

[weary idol]

stealth ends the instant you revive somene

same happens with vet stealth that lasts longer

[wispy bay]

I think so, however, it was a really shitty game with many many deaths.

I played with like 8 or 9 different teams in that 30min game.

[marble crater]

https://tenor.com/view/jesus-christ-dude-south-park-e1802-kyle-broflovski-jesus-christ-bro-gif-20593212

[wispy bay]

But yeah, there are differences, it is case to case.

On the other note, stealth Thammer is strong, but it is so rough to play. I feel like I'm a support damage than front line.

[marble crater]

Yeah, I prefer Thammer with charge

Weaker boss damage, but you can do more for the other 99% of the mission

[weary idol]

yeah but if I'm not building purely for boss damage why am I sitting here using thammer in the first place

[cold geode]

https://tenor.com/view/unibrow-burt-and-ernie-judgmental-contempt-what-did-i-just-read-gif-3465100

[marble crater]

Because it's really satisfying to bonk heretics with the charged attack

[wispy bay]

Power Crusher is also bonky.

[summer prairie]

h40 with "randoms" without bubble, yellow toughness and 2 ogryns

[marble crater]

Crusher is very fun, bully all the ragers

[plucky flax]

Do it

[sleek creek]

Cant say i wouldnt have done anyway x)

[plucky flax]

Take attack speed cleave with peril then gazer warp unbound.

[radiant frigate]

i would like to say one thing

force greatsword

that is all

thanks for coming to my TED talk

[vernal temple]

Moonlight Greatsword

[cold geode]

BFGS 9000

[vernal temple]

Imagine a staff that fires a BFG 9000 projectile

[wind spruce]

10/10 would listen again

[wispy bay]

Strike staff is almost htere

I did a stealth Thammer Marty in Havoc 30, it is doable.

[plucky flax]

Doable but it's kind of sad

I can't play hammer it's just too slow and the crap dodges on top. I bow to hammerers

[nocturne dust]

If I can play Hammer Zealot on Havoc, so can you

[stuck sinew]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/721520171365171284/1311019478313861191/caption.gif

[deft stump]

Well, you could, but it'll feel bad and is it worth the suffering?

[quartz barn]

fren of mine basically exclusively uses thammer

did havoc 40 with it just fine

we're just too used to fast psyker ig

[wispy bay]

I don't think I can bring Thammer to 40 though. The Marty is also unreliable in my hand.

[plucky flax]

I can't even play hammer in mael.

[marble crater]

I thought you are a pro player, was it a lie?

[weary idol]

so that Crystalline Will talent

[plucky flax]

Yes.

[marble crater]

[fiery stratus]

Hammer isn't too bad in Havoc. I've used it in high havoc successfully, can be helpful for getting rid of the bosses and what not quickly. Duelling sword is still more broken and versatile/useful though.

[stuck sinew]

Kind of annoying it does piss poor dps to captain shields though

[fiery stratus]

Yeah I wouldn't suggest powered attacks, better to do a mixed combo with pushblock and whatnot.

[stuck sinew]

I think there's a damage cap to attacks against it so higher attack speed is better

[wispy bay]

I think it just ignores the special buff and crit.

[marble crater]

Chain weapons make shields go bye bye

[wispy bay]

Zealot chain axe special with thrust = bye bye anything.

[median sorrel]

using thrust on Sergeant Major Morrow's leg and getting court martialed

[radiant frigate]

if this stands for Big Force Greatsword 9000 I'm interested

[zinc phoenix]

Just have to dodge every time you swing 🦔

Altho my big hammer challenge is that every time I line up the mega doom stealth charge attack on the boss… I miss 😭

[hardy delta]

i want this to be pinned

@pale sky 🥺

[radiant frigate]

curse of time flow

[wispy bay]

Everytime I was about to do it on a CSpawn or a Porgryn, they charge or jump away...

[hardy delta]

https://tenor.com/view/dr-disrespect-disrespect-unfaithful-transparent-omegalul-gif-13464158

[radiant frigate]

come back here i want to shank you

[wispy bay]

1st section of Auric mael, 1 boss and 4 weakened bosses...

I wish that I was a SM for a moment.

[radiant frigate]

at the same time?

[wispy bay]

yes

[zinc phoenix]

Succmarine

[radiant frigate]

https://tenor.com/view/minor-inconvenience2x-speed-gif-25617014

[plucky flax]

@deft stump

Goated chilli sauce.

[zinc phoenix]

Huh I thought they went out of business

[plucky flax]

Nah.

Wait I dunno. THere are a lot of fake. But this og one with the vietnamese text and the flying goose is my fav.

I don't like the rooster one as much.

[radiant frigate]

flying goose still exists

source: i work retail and we sell this exact sauce

[wispy bay]

They got bought and still making it

[zinc phoenix]

I haven’t been in the mood for sriracha in a minute

[wispy bay]

I have a few in my fridge

[plucky flax]

Kat the checkout girl.

[wheat seal]

what's your thought on this one?

[zinc phoenix]

It looks like a 70s appliance but with a skull

[marble crater]

Not a fan of the high collar

[zinc phoenix]

Oh or one of those makeup mirrors with the lightbulbs

[wheat seal]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RbjFLC3jPek

I would like to understand/know, where this ennemy came from

I clean that corner, nothing around

[upper sun]

jumped down prolly

[wheat seal]

The top was cleaned

[bitter pelican]

If you don't like the shame collar it comes with the helmet not the robes of that's a concern.

[weary idol]

enemies can spawn almost anywhere that doesn't have a direct line of sight to the players

no distance required

happens with specials too which is why you see clips of "silent" poxbursters that actually had just spawned around the corner right infront of someone

top might have been cleared, but nobody could feasibly "see" up there so game just spawned a shooter up there and it instantly dropped and shot you

or he did the same thing, but for the upper section

which seems more likely because the end of the clip you can see a Reaper drop down too

[marble crater]

That's good to know
Though I'm waiting for some different robes to finally buy something

[ocean grotto]

what's a good gun to pair up with force greatsword?

[jovial juniper]

Any

But probably something more single target-y

[ocean grotto]

idk im struggling to kill carapaced so I need something for that

[weary idol]

you're struggling to kill carapace with the force greatsword of all weapons?

both marks have super high damage single target heavies

[near wyvern]

I wouldn't say super high but on the high end yeah

[ocean grotto]

then im prob doing something wrong

[near wyvern]

Zarona with + carapace, surgical and hand cannon blessings

[jovial juniper]

Well
Zarona pistol yeah

[near wyvern]

Revolver that is

[jovial juniper]

Uh
Voidstrike? If you're going disrupt destiny
But it's probably on the slower side

[near wyvern]

Other option is to take the LMB staff blessings and use electro kinetic staff with +carapace. Smack 4 LMBs into a crusher and then kill if with 2 RMB. Staves are just slow AF for movement while Zarona has high mobility for a ranged weapon, which is really useful for the slow FGS.

[near wyvern]

Voidstike is decent with surge blessing against crushers but too much overlap with FGS. I would go with a mobility ranged weapon. You want something that you can actually move with to get out of sticky situations.

[ocean grotto]

am I just spoiled by other stuff or what cuz that all sounds slow even compared to just spamming heavy attack with the sword itself

with veteran I have like 3 different ways to quickly kill anything tanky

spearhead, power sword and krak

[jovial juniper]

Well
Vet has better ways to meet breakpoints yeah

[wheat seal]

@near wyvern for me, this build has a problem: the voidstrike consumes so much power that it's very difficult to use the smite in situations where you need it.

[clear heath]

quell

[fringe basin]

lasgun or autogun if I want to try out an assail gaze build?

[plucky flax]

Not running assails with void.

[jovial juniper]

Auto

Preferably Vraks 5

[fringe basin]

Voidstaff isn't fun for me

[jovial juniper]

Then Agri

[plucky flax]

Yeah it sucks.

Too slow too weak.

[fringe basin]

I like electro cuz

[plucky flax]

It is op.

[fringe basin]

What is the dump stat for auto?

[wispy bay]

mobility

[fringe basin]

Also it doesn't matter what the stats are on the weapons in general as long as the max for everything is 80% (and the 60) right? Becasue you can just pay to max everything out?

[wispy bay]

Also consider the Braced AR

[wispy bay]

Yes

[near wyvern]

You only really use LMB smite to quickly push a poxburster. You only RMB smite if there is a crusher/bulwark pack about to corner you.

[fringe basin]

When buying weapons what rating do I want?

[wispy bay]

Any, because when you are getting to max 80%, you are going to push it to 500 anyway.

[wheat seal]

yeah but most of the times your out of energy when there is crusher/bulwark that put your in difficulty xd

[fringe basin]

500 is a thing? :o

[near wyvern]

Here you can see example gameplay with the build

https://youtu.be/orJSyVui3YE?si=cVicv3jZuWJCytgC

[fringe basin]

Back in my day

[wheat seal]

I'll take a look, ty

[wispy bay]

Back in the day you can get even higher... I wasn't playing during that time though.

I played for like 2 months at release, then just returned like 2 months ago.

[fringe basin]

I played for the first 2 weeks, then didn't really touch the game again until a few days ago.

[hardy coral]

I decided to change up my Inferno staff since im not primarily focused on dealing with monstrosity's as a Psyker and swapped out Unyielding for Elites damage + Flak damage as the other. its literal chaos once the first Elite dies which renders even Crushers, Maulers, Reapers & Bulwarks kind of useless with all the SoulBlaze stacks. works great for Rank 40 Havoc.