its not about oneshotting it
#psyker-class
fallow stream
its about killing multiple bruisers in one swing
if u dump flak you'll do alot less damage and have alot lesss cleave
plucky flax
Also scab bruiser head is unarmoured.
buoyant maple
If u run a wack build it can 1 tap Moebian 21st
But normally it can’t (like 60 damage off) and you’ll need either team damage or red nodes active
It will always be able to reach 1 tap both bruiser and any other horde enemy
plucky flax
Yeah they also get 1 shot.
fallow stream
again
its not about oneshooting a single bruis8er
its about killing it and the 2 bruisers standing behind it
buoyant maple
Rashad goes to like 788 unarmored unless you take 10% melee damage on top right (which is enough for breakpoint but your build will look cursed for havoc)
fallow stream
i dont know why i even bothering
hearty wolf
If u run a wack build it can 1 tap Moebian 21st
But normally it can’t (like 60 d...
Since you're always with purgatus, I'm sure this would be fine
buoyant maple
Since you're always with purgatus, I'm sure this would be fine
Yea exactly
plucky flax
Okay I will. 
hearty wolf
oh btw
plucky flax
I bow down to your superior zealot play I trust all guide 100% 
fallow stream
u can take no useful perks at all and still lawnmower hordes of enemies
because fatshark
buoyant maple
Zealot Rashad can still hit breakpoints on horde enemies but I don’t think they can hit 1 taps on Moebian 21st without crits
And for zealot, relic blade pulls ahead of Rashad in havoc anyway
nocturne dust
I bow down to your superior zealot play I trust all guide 100% <:ikneel:10757844...
then why do you not dump quell speed on Inferno
plucky flax
I like unyielding because I actually hit monsters.
I am pro enough to kill horde without flak I guess. 
fallow stream
theres also other setups if u wanted to swap flak out for stuff
elites and/or carapace let you oneshot crushers
buoyant maple
U can run elite/carapace instead of flak
hearty wolf
@fallow stream I was testing the different options people use in havoc and I gotta wonder, is cranial grounding doing more damage than intended or something?
The difference between wrath+rampage and cranial+wrath was that cranial actually felt so much more comfy. I suspect that it's because I was getting 0 value out of rampage half the time because the combos were interrupted with chorus usage anyway. Any insight you can offer on that?
buoyant maple
I run carapace + flak on mine
plucky flax
I run carapace unyielding.
I did more monster damage than clad on his thunder hammer but he sucks anyway.
So it's not an achievement.
fallow stream
<@478232915772178462> I was testing the different options people use in havoc an...
cranial gives you more uptime and a ton of damage
its up permanently
comfy blessing in general but
hearty wolf
It just feels like it adds SO much more
Like
I was going from melting crushers with it, to being quite sad without it
fallow stream
it actually would add less than rampage due to how weakspot damage is calculated
nocturne dust
I did more monster damage than clad on his thunder hammer but he sucks anyway.
Thunder hammer really should get more reach
fallow stream
if i reclal correctl yweakspot damage is applied like... before your talents and modifiers, making it weaker
hearty wolf
yes that's right
fallow stream
and overall damage like from rampage is applied after everything
hearty wolf
which is why people say weakspot/crit dmg sucks
zinc phoenix
Thunder hammer really should get more reach
If le hammer had the reach it’d be so good
fallow stream
the thing is though
when a blessing offers you like what is it
25% weakspot damage?
plucky flax
This is why I have builds without duellist. 
fallow stream
thats still a big number
buoyant maple
<@478232915772178462> I was testing the different options people use in havoc an...
Cranial is up to x0.734 overall heat generation which extends your activation uptime by ~36%
fallow stream
This is why I have builds without duellist. <:whatthefuck_heresy:104972444420723...
now it all make sense
nocturne dust
If le hammer had the reach it’d be so good
zinc phoenix
Anyway after playing havoc a bunch idk why they felt like this needed to be in the party maker
I’m like the only host who ever asks for build changes
nocturne dust
Really?
fallow stream
and the other thing you might be feeling is breakpoints
nocturne dust
zinc phoenix
Most of the time host grabs randos, queues up a mission and everyone just goes
buoyant maple
25% weakspot damage?
30% weakspot finesse, on a weapon that scales well with finesse
You basically get veteran’s precision strikes for free
clear heath
I usually don't ask until after we've lost one
cold ivy
if only we could swap characters in the ready-up window, then quick play would be perfectly fine
clear heath
you get one shot to play your shitty meme build
zinc phoenix
if only we could swap characters in the ready-up window, then quick play would b...
IKR? And got more time
hearty wolf
Cranial is up to x0.734 overall heat generation which extends your activation up...
Yeah it feels too significant to take off for the uptime alone.
I'm hitting 99% almost every time without it and forced to deactivate, whereas with it I never really need to forcibly deactivate (it always gives enough time for me to find a special to kill with the zarona, which helps cool it off)
zinc phoenix
When I see people are playing legit mong builds I also want to leave at that time 😂
fallow stream
<@478232915772178462> I was testing the different options people use in havoc an...
cranial hits breakpoints
rampage by itself hits those exact same breakpoints and u get less uptime
thats why it feels weaker @hearty wolf
fickle nacelle
id say im very nearly done with every Psyker penance but i still have the Lifeleach Penances
fallow stream
thats why u either take cranial or cranial+rampage
and not rampage by itself
theres little difference in bps if there is any at all between cranial/rampage
nocturne dust
Yeah it’s super rare
wack
hearty wolf
cranial hits breakpoints
rampage by itself hits those exact same breakpoints and...
This makes sense.
Either way cranial my fav blessing on relic blade
zinc phoenix
Also the quality of teams I’m getting in NA these days is very poor
nocturne dust
I don't play enough pub Havoc to really know
fallow stream
my next round of testing will actually be on heatsink
i think its underrated and i wanna see how much downtime it removes
and how memey it can get if i pair it with that 25% ovecharge skill or something
zinc phoenix
If I don’t run book i end up with a book zealot who has no idea what to do
hearty wolf
Does the powered up state (Aside from modifying cleave by..+3?) just replace the base damage of the relic blade with its own value and then that gets multiplied by your buffs?
fallow stream
powered up state is a multiplier iirc
hearty wolf
Oh wow
buoyant maple
i think its underrated and i wanna see how much downtime it removes
I’ve done the maths
hearty wolf
That's pretty good
buoyant maple
It’s not very good
fallow stream
interestingly enough, uncharged heavies do same damage as charged lights
its almost 1:1
nocturne dust
If I don’t run book i end up with a book zealot who has no idea what to do
🤷♂️ I think that's the PS5 wave
fallow stream
I’ve done the maths
:(
silver mantle
🤷♂️ I think that's the PS5 wave
Eh some xbox are just as bad
nocturne dust
Eh some xbox are just as bad
sure, but they've had time with the game
silver mantle
True
hearty wolf
interestingly enough, uncharged heavies do same damage as charged lights
I did notice that when I was fucking around, yeah.
nocturne dust
so a lot of the more nooby either grew or left 
fallow stream
one other thing i think ppl dont realize
is that if you take mk10
and use light attacks
you can drop twbs safely
2 free points
hearty wolf
I use mk2 and I use it without twbs and it's fine tbh
And that's supposedly the slower of the 2
plucky flax
now it all make sense
I've played stealth martyrdom combat axe without duelist since forever. Just smash left click I don't need to dodge
nocturne dust
TWBS? Those Who Bite Santa?
fallow stream
I've played stealth martyrdom combat axe without duelist since forever. Just sma...
please
clear heath
I just don't take twbs at all anymore
plucky flax
Yeah?
fallow stream
what ARE YOU
plucky flax
It's easy carry.
fallow stream
heres ur equal attention cake clad
🍰
i almost sent an emote of just straight ass because i typed in :cake
buoyant maple
:(
Heatsink is -3.3% heat per weakspot/crit melee kill on overheat
Assuming you quite literally get a weakspot/crit melee kill every second, while the weapon is naturally cooling off from overheat, you get ~7.5s overheat duration total
Overload is by default 7.5s overheat duration, and has a stagger effect on reaching overheat that can stagger ragers & maulers (interrupt action)
Heatsink’s value when weapon is activated is 0.833% per weakspot/crit melee kill which is up to like 2s longer activation uptime, it’s nowhere as good as cranial grounding
plucky flax
Why do zealot mains think there's only 1 way to build lol
clear heath
I wanna try playing my old marty evis build in havoc 40
no chorus though so i'd be semi trolling
fallow stream
Why do zealot mains think there's only 1 way to build lol
theres only 1 great way to build
does stealth martyr work?
yes
does it hurt my soul to even read?
also yes!
patent mango
martydom gaming!!!!!!!
upper sun
Why do zealot mains think there's only 1 way to build lol
you WILL go down the holy path or be punished DOWN DOWN LEFT LEFT DOWN DOWN RIGHT RIGHT RIGHT DOWN DOWN
plucky flax
Why does it hurt? Have you tried it?
hearty wolf
i can't justify dropping twbs on heavy attack looping weapons
I understand it for thammer but you honestly have enough time for it to be okay?
I think it's because of interruptible you're generally okay. As soon as you're gotten off 1 heavy, you're typically safe from the horde till your next cleave if that makes sense.
In armour packs, if you get overheaded, you're practically dead anywya so whatever xd
nocturne dust
Take loner take 3x toughness regen and you solo the game.
Take the coherency node up top too
nocturne dust
Max that regen
plucky flax
Lol this guy thinks he's good.
fallow stream
clear heath
THammer is the only thing i can think of that i'd still probably want twbs for
maybe chaxe but i've never used it
fallow stream
loner stealth martyr player..
nocturne dust
Blocked for blocking people
plucky flax
Furry should go back to zealot chat D:
nocturne dust
plucky flax
We don't want their kind here.
zinc phoenix
Great so you’re also a crystal will user
plucky flax
Keep yapping.
patent mango
lock in martydom relic blade
jovial juniper
stealth martyr
Master, hide my steps 🗣️
nocturne dust
Loner should make everyone automatically have 2 coherency, it's an aura
zinc phoenix
lock in martydom relic blade
I’ve seen people do this and it looks fun 😂
plucky flax
"Do you play my way? No? Must be really bad player. >Block"
Typical zealot main gamer I guess.
fickle nacelle
Zealot chat scares me because a cursory glance informs me they dont actually talk about Zealot all that much
summer prairie
stealth cooldown builds need a nerf
zinc phoenix
Zealot chat scares me because a cursory glance informs me they dont actually tal...
It’s mostly anime and ell posting ferrets and talking about that time a mouse got stuck in his computer and died
And also how he spilled milkshake inside it which is apparently fine for computers 🤷♀️
fallow stream
i can't stand it
clear heath
zealot chat is just furry chat
hearty wolf
@upper sun just want to remind you, this is all your fault
fallow stream
based off your statements alone i would mop the floor with you
loner stealth martyr with 3 toughness regen perks
plucky flax
fallow stream
your poor teammates
plucky flax
Yeah I am in sedition sorry.
fallow stream
you solo carry because you MURDER THEM
patent mango
you solo carry because you MURDER THEM
teammates shoulda locked in
nocturne dust
based off your statements alone i would mop the floor with you
Very cool zealot player
must be top 0.1%
fallow stream
me when i "carry" with a stealth build 
(i actually just spam stealth after running ahead and causing 2 hordes and groups of elites to spawn, which kills my whole team so i can "clutch")
plucky flax
This guy hasn't heard of the legend Unsanctioned.
zinc phoenix
This is very funny
upper sun
lumii crashout count: 10
fallow stream
put em up
upper sun
cladius nooblius
come to budapest
fallow stream
im still crashing out from those people last night
upper sun
im down
plucky flax
based off your statements alone i would mop the floor with you
My frame this statement tbf so I am reminded how noob I am. 
fallow stream
clear heath
just dodge the barrels
deft stump
I peek in to PvP and fights, what even happened?
summer prairie
damage built on the corpses of your teammates
fallow stream
to make sure no pvp barrels happen
peak cald gameplay
deft stump
GF streaming Genshin Natland finale stuff so yeah.
fallow stream
Nah I am not playing with this guy.
noone was talking to u loser
upper sun
then you fucked it up
furry is nice but he has a crashout every day
fallow stream
true
upper sun
i didnt to anything that wouldnt have organically happened
fallow stream
sadgryn
plucky flax
This feels better no more furry in my chat.
fallow stream
clads existence makes me crash out
like 24/7
he can do nothing at all and i'll just stand there like
yeah
i hate that guy
upper sun
deft stump
This feels better no more furry in my chat.
Kay. Back to GF's stream then.
plucky flax
fallow stream
clad
upper sun
what
upper sun
you and 5 other people JUMPED me for suggesting the exact same mk2 relic combo you changed your guide to
i still havent forgiven u for that
deft stump
<a:peepoWave:851359470222049312>
HRM?
upper sun
fallow stream
buoyant maple
ye everyone except you
What’s the #1LegionH8er supposed to mean btw
upper sun
the book
buoyant maple
Is that a fallout reference
upper sun
no
buoyant maple
What book
buoyant maple
Oh lol
hearty wolf
Either the way the thing with relic blade is that you generally never need to reset the string to go into the combo want - just learn which swings transition into what
nocturne dust
Either the way the thing with relic blade is that you generally never need to re...
so impossible for me
upper sun
im gonna pee then smoke then i can do w/e
clear heath
i might be down for some havoc runs in like 4 hours btw.
haven't done my weekly
been too busy with my path of exile2 addiction lately
hearty wolf
so impossible for me
Don't think of it as h1 l1 blah blah, you'll get a feel for it based on your swinging pattern
like it makes sense
nocturne dust
Don't think of it as h1 l1 blah blah, you'll get a feel for it based on your swi...
This has never happened with any weapon
hearty wolf
if you do an overhead, if you do a heavy, it's probably going to be an overhead too
if you just cleaved, heavy will probably the other way
(or the light will, vice versa)
Idk what to tell you xd
nocturne dust
I played Crusher on Zealot for a while and furthest I got was light spam or heavy spam
nocturne dust
hearty wolf
profit
buoyant maple
I played Crusher on Zealot for a while and furthest I got was light spam or heav...
True psyker player
hearty wolf
Crusher is a bit more complicated tho ain't it
buoyant maple
Crusher is a bit more complicated tho ain't it
Nah it’s far less complicated than relic blade
hearty wolf
I need to check the strings
hearty wolf
Nah it’s far less complicated than relic blade
Really? I find relic blade extremely basic
There was two other weapons I was recommended for complexity
fallow stream
Really? I find relic blade extremely basic
relic blade is as complicated as you make it
u can either mind off swing
hearty wolf
I forgor
fallow stream
or u can do ani cancels with tk and stuff
nocturne dust
Really? I find relic blade extremely basic
It's literally just alternating light and heavy
and I couldn't do that
hearty wolf
damn
nocturne dust
I mean I could
buoyant maple
Lore accurate psyker player
hearty wolf
or u can do ani cancels with tk and stuff
Yeah exactly which is what makes learning it so easy imo. Even if you do the wrong combo, you don't get punished by just dying cos it was a suboptimal combo
fallow stream
Yeah exactly which is what makes learning it so easy imo. Even if you do the wro...
not what i meant
hearty wolf
I didn't actually
fallow stream
there are combos that require TK
fallow stream
thrust -> tk -> side dodge slide -> thrust
hearty wolf
I know what you mean xcx
fallow stream
qwq
hearty wolf
Ye the burst combo
fallow stream
cruncher.....
deft stump
Lore accurate psyker player
Simple unga bunga best. No need to have 50 things to remember and think and factor.
wispy bay
I was almost in soloed an Auric Mael as Zealot stealth. There was so much I can do with shit teammates.
wispy bay
Teammates died 8 times around half way through. I just typed that I feel like I was playing alone, and dude quitted the game...
lethal delta
Does Empyric Resolve effect Scrier's Gaze?
upper sun
@plucky flax video games?
plucky flax
He's too good for me.
If it's just you I can play 1 round I guess.
I'll play that exact build.
deft stump
He's too good for me.
fallow stream
is this a new copypasta
any time anyone plays with me
just gonna be a 4 stack
all stealth loner marty rashad
deft stump
Gib scoreboard when you are done.
wispy bay
Can I join if there is a spot?
deft stump
I'll play that exact build.
Gib score after. Must know who best.
wispy bay
I don't run loner though. And Taxe instead of Caxe.
wispy bay
I use mk7
fallow stream
explode
wispy bay
Already in pieces
fallow stream
idk i couldn't get behind mk2 or mk7
playing a tac axe just to use something with heavy clearing loops makes me feel like im playing a bad rashad
deft stump
TAxe is poor man DS.
fallow stream
taxe 4 leans into attack speed and mobility really heavily
and i find it clears way better than the other two + you can drop twbs safely
nocturne dust
Fuuuuuuuuuuuuu-
wispy bay
taxe 4 leans into attack speed and mobility really heavily
I find the Mk7 attacks way faster. It is the reason I pick that model.
fallow stream
I find the Mk7 attacks way faster. It is the reason I pick that model.
taxe 4 uses light spam to clear hordes
not heavies like the other two marks
it has higher attack speed than the other 2 marks
deft stump
I'm closing this piece of shit
Ah, my daily annoyance on stuff, except 16% toughness.
wispy bay
Light attacks?
fallow stream
yup
wispy bay
I really think the mk7 attack faster.
fallow stream
ill go make a gif and show you
wispy bay
Please
fallow stream
https://medal.tv/games/warhammer-40000-darktide/clips/jpUHQHi4Q0bNAy9cG?invite=cr-MSx2NGYsMjE0MTU3ODUwLA
https://medal.tv/games/warhammer-40000-darktide/clips/jpUIKkEYtiMBXH4zo?invite=cr-MSx6RG4sMjE0MTU3ODUwLA
difference is so minor it doesn't really matter - but the mk4 moveset is also better suited for horde clear
mk7 has an overhead light
bumpy weird..
bromentum is best suited for weapons with horizontal patterns
its all semantics though so if u enjoy mk7 more go for it
prime elk
https://medal.tv/games/warhammer-40000-darktide/clips/jpUHQHi4Q0bNAy9cG?invite=c...
what are you running on mk4?
it wouldn't be able to use brumentum if you're just spamming lights would it?
fallow stream
yeah it does
in fact its required
bromentum lets you kill 2-3 enemies a hit that you otherwise wouldn't be able to
as long as yo ucrit
so i take scourge+shred and pair it with invoc + IJ
huge tdr, huge cdr, relatively big cleave from a very fast attacking weapon
wispy bay
difference is so minor it doesn't really matter - but the mk4 moveset is also be...
I run mine more single target focus, I go with Shred and decimator.
prime elk
might be ok on psyker with SG
fallow stream
I run mine more single target focus, I go with Shred and decimator.
my problem with decimator is that on a weapon that attacks this fast its p easy to drop your stacks accidentally
wispy bay
Also, my build is odd as hell, like everything else I do.
fallow stream
and also i did some blessing testing a while ago and the damage you do get from decimator actually isn't that much better than bromentum
simply because of breakpoint bullshit and low base damage from the weapon
prime elk
my problem with decimator is that on a weapon that attacks this fast its p easy ...
yeah i tested decimator. i fuckin hate it lol
fallow stream
decimator did worse than bromentum despite doing similar damage as well because you couldn't cleave through enemies
but playing w/e you want is fine 
i only take issue when people claim stuff is 'broken' or 'amazing' when it's not
fallow stream
if u really want you can also exchange uhh
IJ for stalwart piety
and you'll hit like almost 90% crit in hordes
but i can't tell the difference & i prefer the extra damage + dodge distance over the tdr from stalwart
wispy bay
TAxe doesn't have the cleaves like the bigger weapons, which I always run Piety with. I prefer IJ for quick fast ones.
Btw, this is my build with 5sec stealth. I have another similar for Thammer with Perfectionist and Piety.
upper sun
@plucky flax this is what i used
plucky flax
<@150967101836886016> this is what i used
I go left side I don't take duellist also.
upper sun
no loner?
plucky flax
I mean at the top.
upper sun
ah
upper sun
i NEED second wind
upper sun
ye the build is kinda low toughness
but the sustain is really good
even if it doesnt always proc its pretty fast
marble crater
Loner
buoyant maple
any1 play?
What mode
upper sun
auric something
buoyant maple
My game been stuttering crazy
upper sun
clad ranaway
no
buoyant maple
I’m not sure which setting is causing problems
upper sun
someone sent me an invite i thought they were joining
but i accidentally joined them
now im back
upper sun
were 2
hearty wolf
I’m not sure which setting is causing problems
I have seen a ton of thing that it could be. DLSS+FSR/Frame gen+intelxess is a common one
upper sun
we need 2
hearty wolf
Also in the launcher, changing the amount of cores apparently helps
plucky flax
Anyway clad as I can see I do just fine with stealth loner martyrdom.
marble crater
I will join you 
plucky flax
Furry guy just tripping when someone doesn't play his 'meta'.
buoyant maple
I have seen a ton of thing that it could be. DLSS+FSR/Frame gen+intelxess is a c...
I’ve had frame gen on the entire time and it was fine, I think it’s due to low latency
upper sun
Anyway clad as I can see I do just fine with stealth loner martyrdom. <:PeepoHap...
i never doubted
the sustain is really good
buoyant maple
Like, there’s nothing out of the ordinary for my CPU/GPU utilization and GPU memory when running DT
haughty star
I got a buddy who swears by headtaker bromentum on a piety build
buoyant maple
Vsync is off
upper sun
NO!!!!
hearty wolf
I’ve had frame gen on the entire time and it was fine, I think it’s due to low l...
Yep actually! That's one of them. Make sure boost is never on fs
upper sun
yes
buoyant maple
Yep actually! That's one of them. Make sure boost is never on fs
Do I just put it on enabled and it’ll be fine?
hearty wolf
mhm
buoyant maple
I also had it turned to “ultra” in Nvidia app
hearty wolf
I mean, if that IS the problem. But you're never
o no no
Let me double check my nvidia settings
analog agate
Wait. Does this game not make you turn on boost if you have fram gen on?
hearty wolf
Wait. Does this game not make you turn on boost if you have fram gen on?
nvidia reflex boost
buoyant maple
If FSR3.1 FG is active you can still choose between off/on/boost
analog agate
Ya. I thought it auto does it for you
buoyant maple
If you use the DLSS3 FG it’s locked to on
hearty wolf
it sets it automatically i think but you shouldn't have boost on
buoyant maple
I’m on a 30 series card so I don’t have dlss3 FG
analog agate
Ohh gotcha
hearty wolf
cos he got a 4090
hearty wolf
One sec lemme update my mods
np
upper sun
what you got like a samsung s22?
upper sun
@marble crateru coming or no
hearty wolf
shit*
@marble crater if you don't join, void had second dibs
your life is timed
@deft stump
Do you feel better now
Maybe I unironically need to run curio as a mission reward
nocturne dust
Maybe I unironically need to run curio as a mission reward
hearty wolf
and farm curios by completing missions
buoyant maple
Nah just gamble on Melk
hearty wolf
Nah just gamble on Melk
Yeah lemme just -
marble crater
<@417971646356389900>u coming or no
Actually better if Void joins, I have stomach issues
nocturne dust
Actually better if Void joins, I have stomach issues <:KEKW_ogryn:10220771883229...
oof
deft stump
Do you feel better now
Wow. Welcome to my world. Heh.
analog agate
I wonder how many melk bucks I have now. I spent a lot to get tier 4 blessings to fill my sticker book but haven’t looked since then
buoyant maple
Anyone wanna vc
hearty wolf
ok zundu
buoyant maple
@hearty wolf @upper sun
upper sun
nah
upper sun
2late
magic cipher
Those moments before xbox darktide kicks you out are wild
hearty wolf
Those moments before xbox darktide kicks you out are wild
xd wtf
nocturne dust
It disconnected me again >:(
upper sun
Those moments before xbox darktide kicks you out are wild
its not just xboxe 🚬
deft stump
Just most often so. Feel like the system isn't enough for Dooktide.
upper sun
what system
deft stump
Xbox.
deft stump
That's potato.
magic cipher
Definitely some sort of xbox problem, I crash at least every other mission, sometimes two or three times a mission
marble crater
Xbox worked perfectly fine until they broke something with the penance update, we didn't have the crashes before that
silver mantle
Hey, what does slaughterer do (trying to spec out a deimos force sword)
Was gonna run deflector and something else
jovial juniper
Kill=Strength
marble crater
Hey, what does slaughterer do (trying to spec out a deimos force sword)
Strength = damage, stagger, cleave
silver mantle
Ah okay strength on kill
fickle nacelle
I really like the combination of the shock maul and that smite perk that makes your heavy attacks electrocute
wind spruce
I really like the combination of the shock maul and that smite perk that makes y...
I am also an enjoyer of shit talents
analog agate
🔥
fickle nacelle
its funny and thematic to a full Electromancy build
deft stump
Run that electrocute give extra damage blessing.
Is funny taze stick.
plucky flax
It suffers the same fate as crusher.
No carapace damage. 
But if you go full electric meme surge staff can deal with carapace well.
deft stump
Can perma stun one thing though.
fickle nacelle
i like to back to back taze an ogryn, heavy attack to the head, taze the ogryn, heavy attack the head
marble crater
Maybe, I don't want to risk it
strong gulch
<@272731082594713614> <@417891087500312576> stab stab?
I can in like an hour.
clear heath
i can play in like 2 hours
hearty wolf
o7
patent mango
<@272731082594713614> <@417891087500312576> stab stab?
mael gaming?
patent mango
stabbing people 
patent mango
gotta afk nvm...
nocturne dust
@buoyant maple that hound that got you in the under area
I literally pushed it
right before it pounced you
buoyant maple
<@366562874039992331> that hound that got you in the under area <:KEKW_ogryn:102...
I hate how ogryn’s weapons have horrendous attack-into-block time
Yea let’s make the class with the worst dodges also have the worst attack-into-block time on all of his weapons
nocturne dust
Yeah, Ogryn should probably get something to speed them up
strong gulch
Update: I can be in like 10 minutes 🎉
nocturne dust
Although meeting a zealot that can be worse than me on my first try with a weapon is an experience 😭
nocturne dust
Well you definitely did better than me on Zealot
buoyant maple
I pushed burster then it blew up, forgot who shot it
nocturne dust
There were a couple times where I just couldn't hear anything because of the relic sword's BZZZZT so I just swung into a burster/got hounded/mutied
was probably me
buoyant maple
I got royally fucked in the first event by the bajillion gunners & snipers
nocturne dust
I made good use of Until Death tho
hearty wolf
Yeah, Ogryn should probably get something to speed them up
immunity to hounds
or a skill where if they jump you, you just snap their neck
nocturne dust
This is true, Ogryn should just be too big for trappers and just slap away hounds
hearty wolf
you get trapped? just rip open the net
nocturne dust
Idk, I was doing really stupid stuff and was fine with toughness/stam regen/tough regen
buoyant maple
I don’t think he was running Boltgun?
nocturne dust
They were running same as me, a revolver
nocturne dust
In fact the only difference between me and them was they have +maniac while I have +flak
To be fair, we were leaving ammo all over the place
They could've absolutely just been hoovering it up because nobody else was taking it
buoyant maple
Nah I doubt it he was shooting at like everything he could
prime elk
prob thought he was still playing lugger
nocturne dust
Well, I'm saying they'd fire a few shots and then pick up ammo, not because they needed it but because it was there
Like I would mark ammo while behind everyone and I would turn around and they would be there
buoyant maple
For zealot revolver I recommend point blank, maniac and elite
2nd blessing up to u
(You also need anoint in blood if u want revolver breakpoints)
Maniac + elite gives u 1 crit bodyshot on dreg rager which is quite nice
nocturne dust
Probably a better idea, I have no idea wat to run on Zealot
buoyant maple
It’s not “necessary” if u have a relic blade but it’s nice
Unarmored gives dreg gunner 1HS
nocturne dust
I prefer revolver on zealot because knives annoy me
hearty wolf
I run this but don't know why
buoyant maple
I don’t think hand cannon is necessary unless u need the gun to pick up the slack on carapace damage
steep kindle
yeah then it's kinda redudent
buoyant maple
Point blank is the best crit blessing on revolver
nocturne dust
I don't either
buoyant maple
Because you very naturally have it up basically all the time
nocturne dust
I don't know why I have +carapace
strong gulch
ok can game
nocturne dust
probs because somebody suggested it in Zealot chat
hearty wolf
Basically
buoyant maple
I think point blank + crucian/run&gun/surgical is best for zealot
deft stump
3 shot into crusher to reeeeeeeeeeee at them.
hearty wolf
I feel like I don't get much value out of surgical but idk
buoyant maple
I feel like I don't get much value out of surgical but idk
Yea then go point blank
steep kindle
unless you're one of the carapace killing builds (Im not even sure if revolver is used on Gun Psyker either) it's really unless lol
hearty wolf
I tend to aim for about 0.2s on average before firing sometimes I wait
buoyant maple
Melee kill smth = get crit chance for revolver
strong gulch
3rd?
buoyant maple
You can get up to 4 shots out in the time point blank is active
wheat seal
complete Havoc 30, but?
hearty wolf
I guess the only situation I wouldn't take it
is sometimes you get into these fights
where it's 200 gunners far away
wheat seal
complete Havoc 30, but?
39*
hearty wolf
so you just wait and shoot them from afar
buoyant maple
If u want to maximize crit chance for revolver I’d go point blank + crucian
buoyant maple
so you just wait and shoot them from afar
You actually don’t need to ads on revolver most of the time
hearty wolf
You actually don’t need to ads on revolver most of the time
I honestly don't like to
nocturne dust
Also remembering the relic sword has an on button really helped my usage of the weapon
marble crater
complete Havoc 30, but?
Bugged, welcome to the club
buoyant maple
I honestly don't like to
Lemme record smth for u
hearty wolf
I would use the agripinaa if it dealt identical dmg
hearty wolf
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/664591642967408640/1320852161265143878/ax...
Oh ho ho! I would like this
My zealot holds the revolver though
They can't share guns unfortunately
That does look insane though
buoyant maple
plays the exact same way basically
except zealot can't free reload
hearty wolf
Yeah
deft stump
plays the exact same way basically
except zealot can't free reload
Nor speed load.
hearty wolf
Uhh so I can drop surgical but do I still keep handcannon for the specialists maniacs?
Like does the rending apply
buoyant maple
Nah
hearty wolf
To the shot that deals the dmg
nocturne dust
They can't share guns unfortunately
hearty wolf
why tf do people recommend this
buoyant maple
Because you’ll do more than enough to kill every maniac specialist (except mutant) in 1 shot
buoyant maple
why tf do people recommend this
Before scab rager got carapace armor, hand cannon was an easy way to get crit 1 bodyshot scab rager (if u want to take bring it down for boss damage, instead of superiority complex)
wispy bay
No free reload like WS is the reason I run Bpistol with Zealot instead of Revolver.
buoyant maple
It also makes crusher damage a lot better but if u don’t shoot crushers with it it sorta doesn’t matter
Now that scab ragers have carapace body, revolver cannot crit 1 bodyshot them no matter what basically
hearty wolf
I see
thorn cedar
still wish their body was also carapace for dots
buoyant maple
So I don’t think it’s particularly worth running anymore if your goal is to run it as a special sniping gun for melee build
hearty wolf
So now I have this.
buoyant maple
Yea for zealot that works
hearty wolf
Elites and maniacs fine?
buoyant maple
Crucian is neat (not the greatest) but it’s universal and doesn’t restrict u into ADS
buoyant maple
Elites and maniacs fine?
Yes this gives u dreg rager 1 crit bodyshot (with anoint in blood)
If u don’t find that necessary u can run unarmored instead of elite which gives dreg gunner 1 headshot instead
hearty wolf
I like when gunners die tbf
buoyant maple
Yea except zealot can use throwing knives to 1 tap them without any investment
hearty wolf
That's the thing yeah
buoyant maple
So it’s not like a mandatory breakpoint for revolver on zealot
deft stump
I like when gunners die tbf
Just don't play with lag and a BPistol should be fine. Lag means 7 shots and I'm the one going down.
hearty wolf
:) thanks
This is actually how I wanted to build my revolver (minus point blank cos i didnt know it existed) but people told me to use handcannon and surgical
We will test
granite saddle
Damn am I the only brace enjoyer for the stub revolver
wispy bay
I enjoy that one, too, on zealot only.
hearty wolf
any1 for havoc?
granite saddle
I enjoy that one, too, on zealot only.
I dunno if you can with the ads one but I like brace just cause I can fan it.
wispy bay
Because I think the Bpistol is better if I want to ADS.
plucky flax
I didn't see the pic above!!
marble crater
placid crypt
I say bpistol so you can weave assail and cause bleed stacks.
wispy bay
I go with Zarona revolver on Vet though.
plucky flax
My discord window is not full screen.
marble crater
Lurking here has been helpful once again, now I need to start the game and fix my revolver, before I forget
hearty wolf
Lurking here has been helpful once again, now I need to start the game and fix m...
Seriously just talking about things I don't know about
and then getting to read random resources
helps a lot
marble crater
A few more days of this and we will have perfect builds for every class without leaving psyker chat
deft stump
I mean, Vet mains for vet works. This is Psyker and sane Zealot mains.
modest patrol
Popping in to say that I'm glad this chat convinced me to run martyrdom on my zealot because it's excellent
wispy bay
Ogryn stronk, Ogryn doesn't need build.
nocturne dust
I'm running out of loadout space
I do know what they all do
The V is for Havoc ones
marble crater
I'm running out of loadout space
Respectfully, I hate you
nocturne dust
Respectfully, I hate you
hearty wolf
nocturne dust
The skull is BB build, the 1st one is shriek trauma, second is my unhinged voidstrike, 3rd is inferno shriek
strong gulch
only 3 is incomprehensible
nocturne dust
4th is lmb, 5th is EK shriek, 6 is assailker, 7 is gunker (recon), 9 is shriekstrike
zinc phoenix
i save my longer term builds in the gameslantern site and just keep the stuff im actively using in game
analog agate
The best way to get info here is say something provocative/stupid. You will get great info in an instant
nocturne dust
10 is Shield Inferno, 11 is gunker (vraks), 12 is smiteker, 13 is my testing loadout for psykhanium that I constantly murderize, 14 is shield trauma
zinc phoenix
that way i can still play after a aptch
the more build slots is otherwise genuinely a mod i'd want
buoyant maple
A few more days of this and we will have perfect builds for every class without ...
If u have questions on [weapons available to veteran] u can ask me
deft stump
The best way to get info here is say something provocative/stupid. You will get ...
Naw, that may get you blocked or ignored instead. Like being all, TacAxe is poor man DS.
nocturne dust
15 is Inferno with Scrier's (it's bad but funny), 16 is gunker (laspistol), 17 is a more normal Scrier's Strike, and the water drop loadouts are FGS meleeker (mk6 and mk8)
marble crater
<:KEKW_ogryn:1022077188322906163>
I also just accepted head cannon and surgical. It worked well enough that I didn't question it, but yeah I hardly use it on crushers and mostly just for quick special killing on my zealot. So copying Sin's should work for that
zinc phoenix
did an auric vet run and i see my mistake with vet was using the wrong recon las mark because the 6 shreds
analog agate
Naw, that may get you blocked or ignored instead. Like being all, TacAxe is poor...
You’ll only get blocked if you continue the stupidity. I have blocked one person because of that
marble crater
If u have questions on [weapons available to veteran] u can ask me
Thanks, just did indirectly I guess
deft stump
If u have questions on [weapons available to veteran] u can ask me
Still planning on working on guides to other melees?
buoyant maple
Still planning on working on guides to other melees?
Maybe, not sure
nocturne dust
so yes, I do know every loadout
analog agate
I have trimmed my loadouts to 7
marble crater
Can I have the loadouts you trimmed for my psyker please?
analog agate
EK, Blaze VB, Gun, Melee, Havoc inferno, Havoc Blaze VB, Havoc rending VB
No void cause that staff is meh
plucky flax
Lurking here has been helpful once again, now I need to start the game and fix m...
Reject revolver. Embrace bistol.
zinc phoenix
agree, bistol >>> revolver for most stuff
deft stump
Maybe, not sure
Ah.
marble crater
Reject revolver. Embrace bistol.
I actually still haven't used it 
deft stump
agree, bistol >>> revolver for most stuff
I mean, why else do I want to use it but havoc says no BPistol.
wispy bay
I wish that they make the Vigilant AG a little more useful.
plucky flax
I actually still haven't used it <:caught:928663822661734491>
It's super cool and has a lot of synergy with psyker.
deft stump
Then again, when do I even pull out my gun anyway in havoc?
analog agate
Isn’t that cause of the bleed mechanic
deft stump
Shrugs.
plucky flax
Yeah bleed on assails.
Bleed on big sword special.
And DD boosts its damage quite nicely.
analog agate
Oh yeah that is new
marble crater
It's super cool and has a lot of synergy with psyker.
I was thinking for zealot instead
deft stump
I was thinking for zealot instead
Run&gun+puncture is fun.
plucky flax
Zealot talents don't really increase range damage too much. So it's just like that. A quick swap side arm to take out specials and ragers.
I use it anyway since I melee 95% of the time on zealot.
Either bistol or shotgun I use the most.
wispy bay
Also the reason I think Bpistol is better than revolver.
deft stump
Just need to fire 5ft away from you if you want boom without lethal prox.
plucky flax
They can buff shotgun (kantrael) ammo though. It has 9 shells capacity and mat ammo but the reserve is less than bistol.
dreamy quiver
mmmwah this inferno staff build is beautiful for havoc
plucky flax
What level?
dreamy quiver
35
plucky flax
Nearly there.
plucky flax
I can help when I am available too if you struggle to do 40 for whatever reason. 
dreamy quiver
I can help when I am available too if you struggle to do 40 for whatever reason....
i appreciate that, you can ping or dm me whenever you're available
zinc phoenix
I mean, why else do I want to use it but havoc says no BPistol.
It works fine there, just not as good
Like if all you want to do is smoke specials and quickdraw it should do that fine still
analog agate
My havoc never updated from last week so I am weirdly at 19
upper sun
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/664591642967408640/1320852161265143878/ax...
i maintain
this dude wipes out the pistol faster than a throwing knife
marble crater
@buoyant maple does Bolt Pistol have any important breakpoints on zealot if I want to use it for special hunting or can I take maniac/elite from your vet guide?
analog agate
Bugged. We don’t know if it is visual only or not
plucky flax
I think it updates at reset on sunday night.
wispy bay
Did you host or you played on someone else host?
buoyant maple
<@366562874039992331> does Bolt Pistol have any important breakpoints on zealot ...
Maniac + elite I think
It won’t 1 tap dreg gunner but you’ll get scab gunner 1HS
If u use unarmored instead of elite, you’ll get dreg gunner 1HS but not scab gunner 1HS
For blessings, puncture + point blank/run&gun
point blank gives easier access to crit 1 bodyshot flamers
Also, boltpistol can innately 1 bodyshot trapper (anoint in blood, maniac, puncture)
You NEED anoint in blood if you want to get breakpoints on it
deft stump
Like if all you want to do is smoke specials and quickdraw it should do that fin...
On Zealot though.
wheat seal
Did you host or you played on someone else host?
someone else
wispy bay
Because if you don't host, it only updates when it resets sunday.
dreamy quiver
tthats a bummer
wispy bay
Which event?
wheat seal
Havoc is not temporary event?
analog agate
Yep. Havoc is done forever
zinc phoenix
On Zealot though.
I’m too much of a bolter slut on zealot to go for bistol
That thump 🤤
dreamy quiver
i just did a 35 and still says this
wheat seal
Havoc is permanent?
analog agate
Aye
dreamy quiver
havoc is permanent
analog agate
We have a penance to do…. 50 havoc weeks or something?
deft stump
I’m too much of a bolter slut on zealot to go for bistol
You still get the thump on the Bpistol.
zinc phoenix
We have a penance to do…. 50 havoc weeks or something?
20
zinc phoenix
You still get the thump on the Bpistol.
BUT HEAVY THUMP
analog agate
Oh ok. Not quite as bad
deft stump
***BUT HEAVY THUMP***
Fien, hrmph.
zinc phoenix
Oh ok. Not quite as bad
Also non consecutive looks like
I’ll probably get it because havoc is exactly what I wanted out of the game
analog agate
I would be annoyed if it is consecutive haha (it isn’t). Ohhh, sorry you missed 18th week. Gotta start over for another half a year
upper sun
<@366562874039992331> does Bolt Pistol have any important breakpoints on zealot ...
if you run flak puncture on zealot you have a 50-50 chance of one tapping a flak gunner on weakspot hit
bistol is shit
zinc phoenix
if you run flak puncture on zealot you have a 50-50 chance of one tapping a flak...
On auric tho
upper sun
ye
zinc phoenix
On havoc it’s much worse than that
upper sun
bistol unironically needs like 5 extra base damage
zinc phoenix
It’s disgustingly good on vet
marble crater
if you run flak puncture on zealot you have a 50-50 chance of one tapping a flak...
I mainly care about specials, I will just charge at the gunner line anyway
upper sun
idk about vet but i really hate it on psyker and zealot
its pretty good for specials even without any perks
zinc phoenix
idk about vet but i really hate it on psyker and zealot
Try it on a weapon master vet with Rashad, it’s so good
upper galleon
zinc phoenix
You get to run around blastin everything and having a good time at crazy speed
upper sun
Try it on a weapon master vet with Rashad, it’s so good
actually come to think of it
thats how i did weapon specialist penance
that i was bitching about for months
no wonder it was easier
idle aurora
It’s disgustingly good on vet
The amount of bleed finishers i got, from puncture blessing is insane, boom - tic - tic - dead
deft stump
Try it on a weapon master vet with Rashad, it’s so good
Knoife here, boom there.
zinc phoenix
Oh man that penance was so easy with bistol/rashad 😂
zinc phoenix
I even took reload on weapon swap so I could never stop running
upper sun
ye
somber crow
how do i precharge headbursts? i charge it up and put it on a target, but it doesnt pop it just fizzles
lethal delta
gotta left click
deft stump
how do i precharge headbursts? i charge it up and put it on a target, but it doe...
Just m1 on a target and hide.
somber crow
but do i let m2 or i keep it pressed?
idle aurora
but do i let m2 or i keep it pressed?
hold m2 and pop with m1
wispy bay
Havoc is permanent?
The "event" taskings end this weekend, yes. Havoc is perma.
somber crow
ok, ill try. ty
lethal delta
hold m2 and once you have the head you want papped hold m1 to finish charging or if it is fully charged just tap m1
idle aurora
But honestly the precharge is stupid, it's much better to quickly grab a target and jump around corner. If precharge gave a faster rate, now that would be cool
lethal delta
yeah, I rarely precharge
wheat seal
4 Psykers for Havoc, what's your prediction?
lethal delta
really depends on build diversity
marble crater
4 inferno staves? Rip
zinc phoenix
4 Psykers for Havoc, what's your prediction?
Probably fine
lethal delta
man, I'm sad I missed the psyker peg leg cosmetic
zinc phoenix
If you have a couple shriek and a couple bubble you should be able to just kinda walk thru most of it
Honestly can probably get away with one bubble and that’d free up a slot for a SG
If it’s a gas or goop mission tho you guys are shit hosed
analog agate
Did 4 psykers a few weeks ago. We rolled a 40
wispy bay
4 Psykers can easily dominate havoc if they don't all go smite.
marble crater
Or do... Nothing can attack you if the entire map is stunned
wispy bay
Not that 4 smite cannot win, it is just that it is so slow.
patent mango
i wanna c how 4 max uptime smite psykers in havoc would do
bonus points if its multiple hours long
wispy bay
You are not dominating when you progess slowly.
deft stump
Not that 4 smite cannot win, it is just that it is so slow.
But what about bosses/Captains?
marble crater
i wanna c how 4 max uptime smite psykers in havoc would do
We have enough psykers here to test this
patent mango
uh oh
wispy bay
4 smites 4 domes
patent mango
uh oh...
fickle nacelle
You are not dominating when you progess slowly.
A glacier can slice mountains in half
wispy bay
Each use a different staff.
marble crater
Maybe a gun or two for bosses
wispy bay
Oh shit, you are right.
patent mango
it'd be so funny
wispy bay
But what about bosses/Captains?
You don't care about them when you have unlimited power.
fickle nacelle
All smite a beast of nurgle at once
patent mango
bosses? pull out 4 fgs
wispy bay
Run the node that gives 10% damage from all source on smite.
patent mango
or just smite them? idk how much that'd do
marble crater
4 smite should be able to stun a boss, imo. Because that's honestly a lot of smite
wispy bay
Now Im actually curious to see how fast we can go with just that.
clear heath
smiting a captain shield should just kill you
fickle nacelle
~~other than charged strike pls buff that~~
It would be cool if it chained once or twice
patent mango
wouldnt boss dps with smite make it take minutes
marble crater
wouldnt boss dps with smite make it take minutes
Yeah, so?
patent mango
basically tickles them
fickle nacelle
It would be funny
wispy bay
They will die eventually.
deft stump
Wouldn't it take like hours instead of mins?
patent mango
yea
wispy bay
Yeah, tomorrow morning, I will prep some coffee.
marble crater
You could also kite bosses into doors and kill them with the glitch I guess
patent mango
peak
wispy bay
It only works on the Captain now.
patent mango
huh fr?
patent mango
i think that'd actually do work
wispy bay
Because the captain never meet the door until havoc, so they never fix it.
patent mango
they never adapted....
wispy bay
On the monstrosities, during the mutation event, they removed it because people cheesed that.
wispy bay
😢
marble crater
But did you all 4 use smite?
patent mango
i think there was a severe lack of smite
wispy bay
lol
analog agate
Assail on havoc? Interesting
wheat seal
Assail on havoc? Interesting
working well honestly
wispy bay
I mean, it works.
analog agate
Which level was this?
fickle nacelle
4 Smykers turns off the game because it makes your GPU explode
wheat seal
Which level was this?
this one was 30, but I won level 39 with assail
analog agate
Ah ok. So not high havoc
wheat seal
Ah ok. So not high havoc
"39 with assail"
wispy bay
Gazer Assail is quite fun.
wheat seal
it's not the stuff that determines the level, it's the player, no matter what stuff you take.
this event is pretty stupid, I win a Havoc 39 without much difficulty with a good team, but struggle to level 30 because you are with bad players
wispy bay
Don't worry, it is a meme now that Havoc 20s is harder than Havoc 35+ because you fight against your teammates.
broken carbon
ohg
wispy bay
Havoc is not an event.
deft stump
If you get the rare good pug team that stick in 20-29... it would be easy.
But GL with that.
wispy bay
Only the side taskings are.
analog agate
Don't worry, it is a meme now that Havoc 20s is harder than Havoc 35+ because yo...
Same thing as heresy harder than damnation
wispy bay
Malice is the farmland for rescue/pickup penance.
deft stump
Cos it's mostly newbies though.
wispy bay
Not really, there are many people trying new character at super low level thinking they can do it without the curio and base stat nodes.
Put on ASS then back seating in Malice is an usual occurance for me.
somber crow
im playing low level havocs with my lvl30 psyker
i have no gear
i have some good curios
but no weapons, havent played psyker since the crafting rework
deft stump
Put on ASS then back seating in Malice is an usual occurance for me.
Naw, titleless shout vet go.
wispy bay
Some people have ego so big that when I'm tired of rescue them and try to give suggestion, they just quit the game.
deft stump
I mean, let them. They probs play worse than the bot.
wooden sand
Some people have ego so big that when I'm tired of rescue them and try to give s...
Block them so you may never join with them ever again
wispy bay
If they are real newbie reject, I don't mind in non auric game. Just don't pull up as the hot shit while getting carried.
naive ember
Is gun psyker "fun" 
naive ember
Never tried it
deft stump
Never tried it
Then just try it.
naive ember
Then just try it.
Can you give me a build ?
wooden sand
Is gun psyker "fun" <:wtfgryn:1099688205420347412>
Come on, its a wizard with a gun
Obviously is fun
wooden sand
Can you give me a build <:staregryn:1022085083844325376> ?
Just follow the right path
deft stump
Can you give me a build <:staregryn:1022085083844325376> ?
Nu. It's probs a DD build anyway.
naive ember
Nu. It's probs a DD build anyway.
what gun to use?
deft stump
what gun to use?
Anything that goes brrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr.
naive ember
half turtle
deft stump
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WHat? It's just any rapid fire gun works.
weary crane
the 4 psykers lost, but like every Havoc, playing 0 IQ players
Wait what