psyker-class

[strong gulch]

sure

[zinc phoenix]

So you can pop 3 left click to stagger the ragers and then 🍔 atus right click to murder em

[strong gulch]

I am just in the meat grinder

[weary crane]

watch the video, surely that speed does more than rmb?

[summer prairie]

I wasn't very scientific about it when I tested but even quell cancelling I think rmb applies stacks as fast or faster, though you do get them started earlier with lmb

[upper sun]

thanks

[deft stump]

Wat sus things are you planning?

[plucky flax]

Better to right click for horde and wiggle mouse around.

[weary crane]

Yeah it's hard to test

[plucky flax]

I'd only use left click to stagger elites.

Even if your macro is much faster than mine.

[weary crane]

The stagger is also useful for mobian hordes spawning behind

[upper sun]

THE EMPEROR'S LIGHT IS MY GUIDE. HIS WRATH IS MY STRENGTH. I AM THE HAMMER OF HIS WILL, THE SWORD OF HIS JUSTICE. BY HIS GRACE, I SHALL STRIKE DOWN THE UNCLEAN. BY HIS POWER, I SHALL ENDURE.

I have a server with just a channel filled with these

i copy paste them in game to hype people up

[deft stump]

I see. Immune to it. Will just panic anyway.

Better motivation is offering yuri mangas, yes.

[unique marlin]

All lies told by a false god on a failing throne! Only Nurgle offers you love

[plucky flax]

weird flex but ok

[weary crane]

May thy knife, chip and shatter

[strong gulch]

If the show crit chance mod is accurately displaying the crit chance (some things are calculated in it and I forget what), then surge/ EK has 21% crit chance vs just the base psyker crit chance that the other staves display with no extra crit chance from talents, perks, or blessings.

[plucky flax]

That mod sucks.

[strong gulch]

What's funny tho is that the mod shows the base crit chance of 7.5% if I melee with teh staff.

[indigo plank]

I thought it was 21% but it seemed like a weird number so I was hoping someone could clear it up

Thank you!

[zinc phoenix]

Meh I’m not a person into testing, I just know in gameplay that hordes disappear faster when I right click and ragers don’t fuck my face when I left click 😂

[deft stump]

Naw, I'll offer salvation to those lost, especially if I like them, heh. Offer them a room aboard a (pleasure) worldship, a den of ever increasingly sinful tastes and enjoyment.

[strong gulch]

I have not found it to be helpful.

[deft stump]

To be fair, that's RNG. You can still fail crits on a 99% chance so no point knowing.

[plucky flax]

If I use a weapon with high crit chance I know it'd crit more. Don't need a number to tell me.

[deft stump]

If it happens, it happens.

[plucky flax]

I can feel the crit anyway.

I just know if my next hit is crit or not (lie)

[strong gulch]

There is apparently a thing that prevents super bad and good luck on crits. @celest valve was talking about it the other day.

[plucky flax]

Psudo crit chance is the term they use in dota.

[strong gulch]

I never know when a crit is coming and the mod is still not helpful.

[deft stump]

Still, that's just like a pity system. The chances go up the more you fail.

[plucky flax]

If you have high crit chance and miss multiple times in a row the next one is guaranteed crit.

[strong gulch]

YUP

[deft stump]

I know. Still play DOTA2 custom games heh.

[strong gulch]

This convo FINALLY reminded me to remove the mod. lmao

goldfish memory

[plucky flax]

I have the doom set for EG in 2015.

Doom my fav hero I like making people not play doter

[deft stump]

If bundled, it's worth a fortune now.

[plucky flax]

This set here it was so sick at the time
https://dota2.fandom.com/wiki/Fires_of_Vashundol

[deft stump]

I know, I have it. I have too much DOTA2 stuff.

Spent years trading and such.

It breaks you tbh, but also funds entertainment.

And a new monitor if someone is willing to send you one for a pile of arcanas.

[weary crane]

Does soulstealer proc for enemies with soulblaze stacks or does it actually have to die from soulblaze?

[strong gulch]

Soulstealer only procs from warp kills.

Souldrinker SOMETIMES procs off non SB kills because there's apparently some error.

[hearty wolf]

OKAY

29 MINUTES AND IM LOGGING OFF

Or should I just log off now

Hmm

[deft stump]

Eh?

Also, staying here runs the risk of too long, but chat is ded right now anyway.

[radiant frigate]

time for necromancy

^why does this feel like a soulsborne message

[nocturne dust]

now

[deft stump]

Eh. Not bleak enough.

[nocturne dust]

[radiant frigate]

try despair
but hole

[zinc phoenix]

I hope they add a mechanics class based on using the skulls of heretics in weird fun ways

So all your powers are linked to cutting off heads

[radiant frigate]

hopelessness ahead
in short try death

[zinc phoenix]

Also I’ve been back in BEEGEE3

With my bard

[radiant frigate]

bard is epic

[zinc phoenix]

Yep

Easily pass all the skill checks, buy everything at a discount, insane control powers

[radiant frigate]

bard really just is the ranged melee martial fullcaster skillmonkey class

AND you can play music

[deft stump]

I despair at all times. I seek the end, but it rejects me. I walk the path towards it, but fate seems to force divertions from it.

[radiant frigate]

how fucking cool is that

[zinc phoenix]

Which you can use to set up pickpocketing and lock picking

Because it distracts literally all NPCs

[radiant frigate]

insane mischief potential

meanwhile rogues don't even get extra attack

[deft stump]

This is just Bard in D&D though. Skill check monkey. If you do a Bard/Rogue for memes, DM will hate you.

[radiant frigate]

memorable bard moment: tell raphael to get on his knees and he fucking does

[nocturne dust]

but sneak attack

[zinc phoenix]

Heheheh

I always take the bard lines, they’re great

But honestly mass hold person or fear straight up ending encounters is always good fun

[radiant frigate]

i am aware

[zinc phoenix]

Kind of a meme, paladin smites are way more useful imo

[radiant frigate]

mass hold is fun

mass command too

[deft stump]

But burns a spell slot.

[zinc phoenix]

I have minthara stacked to get like 90% acc and heavy crits on every boss in the game

So she can do over a hundred damage in a smite

[radiant frigate]

yes but paladin can also just bonk again

or shoot

[deft stump]

Still. Also, thinking D&D cos BG3 still too expensive for me.

[hearty wolf]

Alright I'll log off in a sec

Are you ready like rn

[radiant frigate]

anyway shoutout to the anymartial8 thief4 flavor of multiclasses

[zinc phoenix]

BG3 is worth the money

And doubly worth the money if you’re a pervert which about 40% of the audience seems to be

[hearty wolf]

This actually made me laugh

[radiant frigate]

we love extra attack and extra bonus action and complete freedom of movement

and the occasional 4-bonk turn

[zinc phoenix]

I don’t like multiclassing

[hearty wolf]

I think BG3 is good as long as you're decent or bad or just don't find broken builds

[zinc phoenix]

All the builds are broken and the difficulty is non existent

[hearty wolf]

Agreed. I like the variety but any semblance of power is fucked out the window

[deft stump]

You have the internet for that. Also look, no funds means no funds. Especially not at full price.

[zinc phoenix]

But if you go the pure good no illithid no deals path there are a few tricky bits

[upper sun]

its not made for difficulty its made for roleplay

[hearty wolf]

Why you can 1 turn all the major bosses on tactician and ignore all mechanics, it's ridiculous

[hearty wolf]

That's partially the problem

Because

You go up against gods

But apparently you're 20x more powerful than them because you found a green in act 1

Very cool

[deft stump]

Just bonk them if they have stat sheets.

[peak kelp]

Solasta is an option if you care more about combat than story

[zinc phoenix]

Also the gods are dumb and horny

[deft stump]

Ppl do it even in D&D1e.

[hearty wolf]

I actually care more about story done extremely well

Like

Disco Elysium

[upper sun]

its turn based combat i only trust turn based combat in xcom and SOME warhammer games

[hearty wolf]

Disco does it so fucking well

[radiant frigate]

I'm more a fan of the "outmaneuver and shank you" playstyle than "here's 50 attacks with a morbillion damage each, die instantly"

[zinc phoenix]

Yeah if I hear anyone say sorakkath ever again I’m punching them in the face

[hearty wolf]

Disco should be like goty

[deft stump]

If there's sheets, expect the gods to die somehow by a weird party.

[hearty wolf]

And be a mandatory play

[upper sun]

FUCK CONNO

all my homies hate conno

[zinc phoenix]

Also solasta’s big problem is that they managed to create a character face generator so butt ugly even I can’t handle it

And the voices

[radiant frigate]

i bought rogue trader

[zinc phoenix]

There are like two in the entire game and everything shares them

[glacial roost]

I think it is the internet's fault 😦 without the rapid spread of "meta" builds and strats to be able to 1 shot bosses only around 1-2 people would figure it out...

[zinc phoenix]

You need to wait another year 😂

[peak kelp]

Solasta is a faithful adaption of 5e mechanics, BG3 is a larian homebrew game with dnd5e flavor

[upper sun]

let me know how it is

[radiant frigate]

place bets on how many eternities it will take me to start a playthrough

[deft stump]

How even?

[upper sun]

i was gonna buy it after 3 skulls events

[deft stump]

3 Xmas later min?

[peak kelp]

Bg3 has 10/10 presentation and story and solasta like 2/10

[zinc phoenix]

Not surprisingly this means bg3 is massively better as an experience while solasta is filled with weird mechanics that are awkward as hell

[upper sun]

2034 is gonna be our year rogue trader bro... act 3 is finally gonna have more story options

[radiant frigate]

i like owlcat's pathfinder games so RT will probably be to my tastes

[zinc phoenix]

Ngl act 4 is my fave

I committed exterminatus af

[deft stump]

To be fair, 5e is a mess of it's own.

[zinc phoenix]

Setting me, an elf hater, loose in a city full of fuckin elf and giving me carte blanche is probably my favorite game design choice ever

Too bad I can’t make a skull throne with all that elf skull

[nocturne dust]

not a chance

[zinc phoenix]

I killed literally everything

[radiant frigate]

don't tell me you go to commoragh

[zinc phoenix]

I even killed the guy who was like “you can’t kill me without unleashing all the demons”

Yeah bro, let the demons hit the floor

Let’s fuckin party with them too

[radiant frigate]

me when alushynirra

[nocturne dust]

sure but unlike in D&D, paladin oaths are actually enforced 😭

[zinc phoenix]

Not on minthara

[radiant frigate]

huge fan of minthy

[zinc phoenix]

I knock her ass out in act 1 so I can strip her of every thread on her and sell em

[nocturne dust]

same

[zinc phoenix]

And still recruit her

[radiant frigate]

i aspire to be like her some day

[patent mango]

https://tenor.com/bMZXC.gif

[nocturne dust]

[deft stump]

Well, it should be enforced in D&D either, but that's really only unfun DMs thing.

[nocturne dust]

I mean

[zinc phoenix]

A horrible horrible person who can be used to murder annoying things

[nocturne dust]

BG3 is super harsh with the enforcement

[zinc phoenix]

I am the purest expression of murderhobo

[glacial roost]

Is there a secret mechanic to the flame staff?!? I can burn a pile of corpses and then spawn a mob on the pile and they get a soul-blaze stack... does anyone know what is going on here and is it tied to the "ragdolls" you have enabled in the graphics settings?

[nocturne dust]

loothobo?

[zinc phoenix]

Look at this shit

[radiant frigate]

if it is sufficiently evil i shank it

[hearty wolf]

Why should I log off then REEE

[nocturne dust]

Psykhanium-only trick

[hearty wolf]

You have until I make a cup of tea

To log om

[radiant frigate]

if it's rude to me, i shank it

[deft stump]

If this this the psykhanium, just ignore it.

[glacial roost]

ahhh dang

[radiant frigate]

if it tries to befriend me, believe it or not, i shank it

[deft stump]

Everything not nailed down is mine.

[glacial roost]

thought I found something 😦

[nocturne dust]

Bruh, I'm still in bed

you can't get me up

🛌

[radiant frigate]

bomba

[hearty wolf]

;(

[zinc phoenix]

i have a plan

my solution to the big boss is gonna be incredible

[hearty wolf]

Barrelmancy inc

To be fair, for how broken BG3 was

Pretty sure DOS2 was more busted

[zinc phoenix]

oh yeah completely

[radiant frigate]

personally i like ambushmancy

[hearty wolf]

Although that game was quite a bit harder if you tried to play it without

[peak kelp]

Barrelmancer

[hearty wolf]

Doing something kinda dicky

[zinc phoenix]

you could do lone wolf with two characters and act twice as much per turn while saving a fortune on gear and having twice as many skills

[hearty wolf]

Fucky

[hearty wolf]

Lonewolf was cheap as fuck xd

[radiant frigate]

twice as much?
wasn't it more like 1.5x

[hearty wolf]

Either way these games really suffer from how much cc there is imo

[zinc phoenix]

it made you disgustingly powerful at the cost of not having to interact with some of the most annoying companions in gaming

[radiant frigate]

4 AP to 6 per round

[deft stump]

Summons are my friends anyway, right?

[zinc phoenix]

i took the two ladies and had a great time

but yeah

im waiting for a fight hard enough that i feel like unloading my barrelmancer powers

that is gonna be great time

[hearty wolf]

The hardest fight is getting through Act 3 awake

[zinc phoenix]

so far only the spider in the start caused me to deploy a fraction of my power

[zinc phoenix]

yeah you arent wrong

act 2 is very strong and then you get into act 3 and its like "wait what am i supposed to be doing, why does this feel like the start of the game again"

[zinc phoenix]

i feel like i was up to 9 pretty quick

[radiant frigate]

btw did you know that if you spin akabi's wheel of bullshit too much you can't get nyrulna anymore?

i found out the hard way

[zinc phoenix]

i just robbed his ass

which caused him to mald

and then he sent me to the jungle dimension

[radiant frigate]

true fact?

[zinc phoenix]

yeah

[radiant frigate]

without spinning the wheel again?

[zinc phoenix]

i think he caught me

i am not a good sneaker

[radiant frigate]

like in the act of yoinking?

[zinc phoenix]

yeah

i think ive successfully pick pocketed like once

[radiant frigate]

i shall investigate this

[zinc phoenix]

its usually easier to just murder someone

[upper sun]

bruh

[zinc phoenix]

i put it on karlach

but i dont really use her

[upper sun]

i pressed x before my inventory loaded and the game crashed

[zinc phoenix]

nice

[nocturne dust]

Darktide moment

[zinc phoenix]

its probably a mod

[deft stump]

Quality game coding.

[upper sun]

i dont have any mods

[zinc phoenix]

based

its probably obesefish

[nocturne dust]

Bruh 💀

Darktide crashes way more than mods ever do

[zinc phoenix]

it deffo has a mem leak rn

[nocturne dust]

Yep

[deft stump]

Not everyone believes me on it though.

[nocturne dust]

Again.

I got got by the leak 😭

[deft stump]

But it does stutter increasingly worse after a few runs.

[upper sun]

i feel like it lags needlessly because fatshark was too lazy to make inventory icons so instead they load all the weapon models

[nocturne dust]

two matches and then death on the third 💀

[upper sun]

likr

explain to me why i need to load the model of evey weapon i own to view numbers

[nocturne dust]

same issue with the character icons

[deft stump]

Isn't this why profile icons are murder on low end systems?

[nocturne dust]

Fatshark, just take a photo and save it

[upper sun]

wow wait hold on there champ

[nocturne dust]

yes, they're loading the models extra times

[deft stump]

You are just loading a tiny static bust of the char model.

[upper sun]

you want the servers to download .29 bits of data for a super compressed jpg each mission

bruh

thats unrealstic

thatll never happen

[nocturne dust]

[deft stump]

Why I tell console users to turn it off if you don't care about it.

[upper sun]

"I pressed X before my inventory loaded. please add an option to load the inventory without the weapon models but icons instead like the ones in brunts used to roll weapons. thanks i love you"

rate my crash report

[deft stump]

Or give us a setting for it.

[hearty wolf]

ok

whos playing

[upper sun]

ME

[hearty wolf]

2/4

who else

[upper sun]

you?

[hearty wolf]

"2/4"

[deft stump]

Chasing auric exemplar so not touching aurics for memes tbh.

[hearty wolf]

It's not meme

[nocturne dust]

just don't die

[hearty wolf]

we even got the penance for doing it with no downs

[nocturne dust]

[hearty wolf]

literally

also don't use a bfg and get lost in the dark lmao

[deft stump]

Look, things happen.

[hearty wolf]

you know you can do that auric one on like

[nocturne dust]

If you want auric exemplar, run wound zealot and get lucky with your team

[hearty wolf]

heresy or whatever

[nocturne dust]

You'll never get it if you don't run aurics

[deft stump]

And Chaos solo carries because we get 2 REDACTED.

[nocturne dust]

I got both auric examplar and ASS at the same time in a mael

[nocturne dust]

well now you can only get 1

if you go with 2

Clad and Sin aren't bad at the game

[deft stump]

I know, but things can happen. Clad knows.

[nocturne dust]

Things can always happen

Rip the bandaid off

[deft stump]

To be fair, it was 7/10 but got left to die since can't push exploders at 300 ping without shout or heavy gambling.

[nocturne dust]

wat server are u

[upper sun]

I am gonna play rashad marty without attack speed

[deft stump]

SEA.

[nocturne dust]

oh hey

[deft stump]

Asia Pacific.

[nocturne dust]

that's one of my best servers isn't it

[zinc phoenix]

I can join in after breakfast

[upper sun]

after yesterdays gloriana im switching to stuns @hearty wolf

[nocturne dust]

You people play too much

I have a life

[upper sun]

doing what

[deft stump]

If you enjoy 160 ping min of lag.

[nocturne dust]

Programming, walking dogs, exercising, cooking, D&D, etc. etc.

[upper sun]

lmao

LMAO

[hearty wolf]

He's literally going to be playing

later

[nocturne dust]

true

[hearty wolf]

dude is probably on hit alt

rn

playing mobile darktide

[nocturne dust]

no

untrue

I'm playing gacha games

[upper sun]

ummm i have a life guies

RAID SHADOW LEGENDS

[hearty wolf]

Fuck sake

[nocturne dust]

not a chance

Have played it tho, but only for like a day out of curiosity

[upper sun]

ngmi..........

[nocturne dust]

Hey, other games are included

[hearty wolf]

https://discord.com/channels/727074276724965407/1032365720438313070

[nocturne dust]

This acronym is too acronym

idk wat it means

[upper sun]

ngmi..............

[nocturne dust]

no guys mind it

[upper sun]

not gonna make it

[nocturne dust]

I shall assume that is its meaning

[upper sun]

ngmi.......

[nocturne dust]

no, no, don't worry

I have assumed the meaning

so that is what it means

[zinc phoenix]

Baby is learning to eat avocado toast today 😂

[upper sun]

you will never recover financially from this

[zinc phoenix]

Our dreams of home ownership have been destroyed by the siren call of the avocado toast it is true 😂

[nocturne dust]

As an avid avocado hater, I hope the baby hates it

[zinc phoenix]

Nah she’s into it

[nocturne dust]

Disgusting 😔

[zinc phoenix]

Dada ate the two small ones to show her da wae and now she’s gobbling

Babies are hilarious

[nocturne dust]

Another fallen to the temptations of peer pressure

[zinc phoenix]

She was like “dafuq???” At first but after watching me chew on it and seeing me show her vigorous chewing while she was eating it she got it

[deft stump]

This is normal. When 3 ppl poke you into doing things you are not quite comfortable with.,

[plucky flax]

Karien I can play a couple rounds now.

Get your untouchable count up.

[deft stump]

So with those two?

[plucky flax]

Who else are playing?

[nocturne dust]

They probably already in a game

[deft stump]

Clad and Sin rn.

[nocturne dust]

@hearty wolf

[deft stump]

IDK if they are.

[nocturne dust]

@upper sun

They jump in fast

[zinc phoenix]

I am also on in 20-30m and because the nanny is back I have some free time

[deft stump]

The thing is, I just wanna play my Vet which kinda makes it harder.

[zinc phoenix]

For flawless?

[nocturne dust]

I mean, can't be harder than Tren on psyker

[zinc phoenix]

Vet can be built to be unkillable in non havoc modes

[plucky flax]

We play easy maps anyway your class don't matter.

Just stay close to me.

[zinc phoenix]

I have a literally unkillable vet build if you want

[deft stump]

Or I guess with my soon to be inf resources, just make a Martyrdom vet.

[zinc phoenix]

You can stand in reaper fire

No fucks given

[nocturne dust]

uh

I mean martyr is only for Zealot

wounds no work on anyone else 😭

[deft stump]

The joke is going 3 wounds on vet to not have to worry about 'accidents'.

[zinc phoenix]

Vet stacks 200% TDR as their thing

[nocturne dust]

Totally normal vet things

[zinc phoenix]

Completely worthless in havoc tho

[plucky flax]

You playing? Otherwise I'll do 1 round now.

Only have maybe an hour before dinner.

[zinc phoenix]

The grace period not being there completely ruins it

[nocturne dust]

Does Vet not get enough +flat toughness nodes?

[zinc phoenix]

Because you near instantly lose iron will and the reduced base toughness means you get way less from your active stuff

[deft stump]

I can get on. Just sec. Booting takes forever.

[zinc phoenix]

So you have to like play the game and dodge and use cover and shit instead of just standing there as an unkillable god

[deft stump]

I run grenadier build. Too much lag makes revolver stuff useless.

Since half my shots don't count.

[nocturne dust]

Just play Ogryn

[deft stump]

Half my melee attacks don't count either.

[nocturne dust]

Ogryn only needs half of his attacks

[zinc phoenix]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9d88dad4-2258-4a38-98b7-d6231de4f126/vet-toughness-monkey

[nocturne dust]

Infinite stagger and infinite toughness

[upper sun]

ok ill trigger the DH when the bot is close to dying so it leaves

[deft stump]

I hate plasma btw.

[plucky flax]

Okay I go quick wee.

[zinc phoenix]

I got all of the “don’t die” and “don’t take damage” stuff with that build

For vet

[deft stump]

Still.

[zinc phoenix]

You only use the plasma to shoot specials for toughness

[deft stump]

I dislike that gun, is why it's not even mastery 4.

[zinc phoenix]

And elites

[deft stump]

I think it's at 2.

[zinc phoenix]

Getting all the penances means learning to use all the class tools

[deft stump]

Let me go check.

[nocturne dust]

Covering Fire

[deft stump]

I can sacrifice dook to hadron for it.

[nocturne dust]

💀

[zinc phoenix]

It’s to save idiots

I ran into a lot of morons

[deft stump]

I'm just working on dookier guns rn.

[nocturne dust]

This is a horrific build

I love it

[zinc phoenix]

It’s an incredibly specialized build

All it does is generate absolutely disgusting amounts of toughness while stacking insane TDR

Because I wanted to guarantee I got thru flawless execution with pugs

So it’s built to prevent them and me dying no matter how stupid they played

[hearty wolf]

We're still open

2/4

[nocturne dust]

I just RNGed it

[nocturne dust]

@plucky flax @deft stump

[plucky flax]

Okay let's do it.

[summer prairie]

there's no way to change your party finder region, is there

[nocturne dust]

not that I know of

[patent mango]

mission terminal region works for me

[nocturne dust]

(it doesn't)

It will randomly select a party member to 'host' the mission on Havoc, even if it's not the actual host who's providing the mission

I get EU ping all the time despite hosting

[summer prairie]

for finding parties, I don't care about the server

[patent mango]

is he talking about finding parties o

ok finding parties

[nocturne dust]

ooooo

[patent mango]

for finding parties mission terminal region always changed them 4 me

[nocturne dust]

Can't believe someone is using party finder for its intended purpose

[summer prairie]

not sure it's actually working, since I'm getting no parties after changing from Europe

[patent mango]

other regions fell off....

[summer prairie]

ok maybe it works

[shadow wigeon]

How blazing spirits on trauma and infernus staff stack?
Does blazing spirit only go UP to 6 stacks?

[analog agate]

6 and 15(16 with crit)

[marble crater]

Also inferno doesn't have that blessing. Soulblaze has different max stacks depending on the source

[wispy bay]

The current auric mael melee enemy is so fun with Thummer.

Slapping crushers like no tomorrow.

[upper sun]

i am OUT

Im stuttering pretty badly

[plucky flax]

Okay weakling.

[upper sun]

😭

post board someone

[plucky flax]

I can after.

[zinc phoenix]

👋

[plucky flax]

Nearly 1 mil

If you squint it's 1 mil on the og score. Xd

[hearty wolf]

It says 1m at the top

I'm almost the same level as my havoc rank

soon

[dense flume]

Imma ask here cause general chat is a mess. What difficulty would you compare havoc 11-20 to? Also, Is there a jump anywhere or is it the same difficulty scaling the whole way through 40?

[plucky flax]

11-20 is heresy so it's on par with regular damn at best.

[marble crater]

There are jumps when the Fading Light modifier is added

[dense flume]

Alright cool, thanks. Didn't know if it shot up every 10 or so ranks or whatever

Yeah certain modifiers can definitely make it harder I've noticed

[silver mantle]

For more helpful stuff go to gameplay-help, general is for shitposting

[dense flume]

Ahh alright 👌

[marble crater]

Yes, but Fading Light is a permanent modifier later on, you will always have it

That's when things get spicy

[dense flume]

OHHHH

[marble crater]

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3375980903

[silver mantle]

11-20 is easy if 2-3 people have brains

[analog agate]

They should make fading light not a permanent modifier

Really stupid that it is

[marble crater]

The only part they would need to remove from it is the shooting faster thing

Auric intensity, tension not reducing spawns and no toughness grace period can stay

[analog agate]

Ya i agree

They also need to allow for more custom build tabs. 5 is too few for unmodded

[prime elk]

it's enough for zealot

[modest perch]

I only use one build on each class

[nocturne dust]

not even one for each weapon, 0/10

[prime elk]

zealot only has like two or three builds anyway

[tawdry axle]

I dont know how to build up my character with the blaze force greatsword

[nocturne dust]

yeah but that's talents

[prime elk]

any more slots is just minor tweaks and for convenience of not swapping weapons

[tawdry axle]

the blessings are confussing

[nocturne dust]

I need one for each weapon

[prime elk]

so you really could just have fewer than five builds

if you're not lazy

[nocturne dust]

si

[nocturne dust]

🦥

[prime elk]

a standard combo is wrath/unstable power + shred/riposte

shred + riposte can be funny though

some people also really like precog... but idk

[nocturne dust]

I use wrath + unstable power nowadays

crits are overrated

[fringe garden]

Been doing shred and unstable. I suppose wrath is needed in Havocs, though

[prime elk]

yeah

[fringe garden]

If you're running DD then the crits are pretty choice

[hearty wolf]

@buoyant maple Gamer

[tawdry axle]

.

[hearty wolf]

Can you tell me more about Rashad's special and its use cases

So far I found it's quite good at telling 1 rager to go fuck itself or by some time

[nocturne dust]

That's pretty much the only thing I use it for

[hearty wolf]

Also it seems the only way I can die on vet is normal ranged shooters

They're strangely strong compared to when I play zealot or psyker for some reason

[nocturne dust]

That's just weird

[hearty wolf]

I feel like my slide distance is just bad for some reason xd

Or maybe like lack of movement speed and momentum

Idk, can't put my finger on it

[nocturne dust]

I mean, Vet is slow, yeah

not as slow as Psyker tho

[hearty wolf]

But like, if I break away from the group and go on my own adventure, I can't just simply ignore ranged trash or they'll kill me

[nocturne dust]

that's true of every class tho

unless your sliding is on point

[hearty wolf]

Not for when I play zealot or psyker for some reason

So why can I slide better on those two classes

My psyker uses bfg

why can I slide better on that then a Rashad

[nocturne dust]

You're just more used to them I guess 🤷‍♂️

[hearty wolf]

to pressing ctrl on them?

xd

[nocturne dust]

I have 0 issue sliding with rashad vet

[hearty wolf]

Idk what it is xd

I just need to keep playing ig

[nocturne dust]

Are you running out of stamina or something?

[hearty wolf]

Wait

If you slide with no stamina

you aren't dodging?

[nocturne dust]

you are, you just do it slower

[plucky flax]

If they keep this fading light 2 they should allow us full hp and toughness.

[upper sun]

i agree

[plucky flax]

I agree it's not fun 1 volley from a smol shooter just nearly down ya

[nocturne dust]

you also stop sliding at some point, so you get moments of vulnerability without stamina

[upper sun]

its not really a game when all you do is bubble hop 24/7

[nocturne dust]

whereas with stamina you are immune while sprinting and running perpendicular

[zinc phoenix]

NO COMMENT

[hearty wolf]

xd

[zinc phoenix]

i found him while standing around in morningstar

[upper sun]

ill just wait for them to nerf it then ill get the penances same as i did for twins

[hearty wolf]

I think you've discovered why it feels so inconsistent for me

[deft stump]

Only EU gets any havoc and such games. Seriously. Is why I did my 26 legit on EU.

[hearty wolf]

I do think that's it tbh

[nocturne dust]

git gud (or get the stamina regen delay reduction nodes)

(vet has 2 of those)

[upper sun]

please dont start saying tbh ill never stop tbh

[marble crater]

That can work too, either way they need to rebalance some things so the meta is a bit more forgiving I guess. The shooter buff plus fading light shooter buff is insane

[hearty wolf]

but damage

I guess

I just can't turbo sprint everywhere

(I can and I will)

[plucky flax]

I recorded that melee scab only btw.

[hearty wolf]

I just need the third stamina curio

[nocturne dust]

Just sprint and slide everywhere

[upper sun]

its not insane my issue is that it essentially necessitates having bubble 24/7

[upper sun]

you always record me at my worst 😭

[plucky flax]

Cheat mod just click the white circle

[marble crater]

That's my issue as well tbh

[deft stump]

I think Chaos just records everything.

[upper sun]

the only mini game i enjoy is the scanner one

[plucky flax]

Nah I didn't press record on dark communion.

[upper sun]

data interrogator ones are not fun

[deft stump]

You mean train. I just roll my left stick in the opposite direction whole time.

[marble crater]

Oh, for a second I thought Karien changed her name to "ConstantlyHorrified"

[young falcon]

People have been allergic to this objective my last coupe of games. And When I go to do it my team can't even cover me so I constantly get interrupted

?

[deft stump]

_>

I'm constantly panicking.

[plucky flax]

Yes I hate it too but people never do it so I'll have to do it. And if I was going to do it I might as well use mod to let me get through it faster.

[deft stump]

Is cos nobody ever told me how it worked, so the one time I was on it, it took so long... Someone just told me to let them do it.

[young falcon]

I will admit, I didn't know how to do it when I first saw it

[plucky flax]

Wait wtf 700k overkill on the og scoreboard

[nocturne dust]

noooooo, you have to spend your time in a minigame away from the actual gameplay you enjoy 😭

[upper sun]

https://tenor.com/view/the-simpsons-stop-hes-already-dead-gif-15192144

[young falcon]

Hadron: Do the interrogators, varlet

[nocturne dust]

Hadron when you don't hug the servo skulls for 0.0001 seconds:

https://tenor.com/view/angry-tom-and-jerry-furious-mad-annoyed-gif-18195909

[hearty wolf]

@nocturne dust I think I figured another thing out that's been a big factor.

Zealot has uninterruptible and psyker I don't break my toughness ever cos bfg is too strong

so when shooters shoot me, and it does break my toughness

it feels worse

can't get it back as fast

Survivalist is trash

It's time to take close and kill

so we take smoke grenades too

[deft stump]

If I wasn't lagging to heck, I would. Lag makes that one near impossible.

[nocturne dust]

Vet has Get Back in the Fight

but that has a 30 sec cooldown

[hearty wolf]

I had that

But Vet told me catch a breath is better

[nocturne dust]

Maybe your issue is relying on it

[hearty wolf]

and I lack the critical thinking skills to care why

[nocturne dust]

when the crap are you without enemies in 8 meters

[young falcon]

DT with lag must be infuriating

[deft stump]

You play it like WH40K TT RPG. Roll d100 on everything.

You either take little to no damage.

[hearty wolf]

when there's no enemies to hurt me and I don't need it obviously. I need my toughness back when I am running ahead of you so I am not in coherency, but also not close enough to the enemies 🤔

[deft stump]

Or you get instadowned cos server says 50 enemies hit you in 1 tick.

[plucky flax]

@hearty wolf bruh moment

[nocturne dust]

Punishment for your cheaty ways

[hearty wolf]

It did show up on spidey sense, we just MURDERED it

[deft stump]

I basically cannot let myself be backstabbed even by a walker or it risks an instadown.

[plucky flax]

It was to the left then suddenly in front.

I was caught off guard

[summer prairie]

can't even rely on cheats

[nocturne dust]

good ole teleporting

[plucky flax]

Cheat mod let me down.

[hearty wolf]

we need god mode

[deft stump]

I mean, when you are playing with lag, everyone kinda is.

[hearty wolf]

or I need until death on my vet

[young falcon]

Something something Cadia

[deft stump]

Sometimes I see you guys to the right and head there only to realise later you all were to my left?

[young falcon]

You're just subject to the warp constantly

[deft stump]

Well, they play 1 person down. I'm just panicking anyway.

[silver mantle]

Yeah that guy really argued for it, but I think the oh shit button is better

[hearty wolf]

I just swapped anyway since it's not like it's a damage node I'm giving up - it's survivability

Actually now that I think about it

Maybe it is bad

Cos you have to break toughness for it to be good

And by that point, it's too late

[upper sun]

its ok soon enough youll just realize that vet is just a shit zealot

[hearty wolf]

better melee nodes!!!

[wispy bay]

It is not a panic button.

[hearty wolf]

reciprocity is fire

[wispy bay]

Another issue is that you don't even know when you have it or when you don't have it.

[upper sun]

zealot tree rework any day now

AFFIRM!

[deft stump]

I just need Until clench on Vet.

[plucky flax]

Doesn't matter zealot would still be rat.

[hearty wolf]

I'm usually very clocked on to internal timers like that

MMO engrained into me probably

[upper sun]

all i want is for singular nodes before and after blitzes for zealot

thats it

[hearty wolf]

But I can basically just mentally know when 15s, 1m and 2m always are

[upper sun]

thats all i want

[wispy bay]

I mean, I run both of those nodes on different build for different purpose.

[upper sun]

tbh

fuck it

remove blitz from zealot tree give zealot 29 points and have one point for picking the blitz

[plucky flax]

I think piety node on relic blade is nicer than momentum. Let you spam chastise more for the attack speed.

Even though momentum gives attack speed already but sometimes you get like 5 stacks and that's sad.

[upper sun]

you dont even need BP just IoD

[plucky flax]

I mean the keystone.

[upper sun]

oopsie

[plucky flax]

Momentum

I don't know the actual name.

[upper sun]

yeah

[plucky flax]

Something something momentum

[upper sun]

i meant you dont need blazig piety just invocation of death

[plucky flax]

Nah I go for the extra crit chance.

[upper sun]

imagine if marty and momentum had real cdr

[plucky flax]

I think that gives 25% total?

15+10 on the subnode I think

[hearty wolf]

Well in some sense it's sort of multiplicative

cos then you're more likely to cause enemies to bleed

then you crit even more

Left side piety is still extremely viable though

for IoD uptime, you don't need right tree if you have FOTF

[plucky flax]

Ye tru I use left side for ds4 havoc build.

But f or big sword I want to do damage.

[wispy bay]

Blazing Piety is strongest keystone for Zealot. Inexorable is ok if you are running knife zealot.

[plucky flax]

So extra crit chance it is.

[wispy bay]

Marty is a meme

[hearty wolf]

Martydom is probably the strongest

[upper sun]

ur a meme

[plucky flax]

Martyrdom is busted in non havoc.

[hearty wolf]

In terms of stats

[deft stump]

Wait, the right side is for knife?

[hearty wolf]

Kinda broken xd

[plucky flax]

The attack speed it gives combat axe is insane.

You just light spam and win.

[hearty wolf]

Any weapon with that amount of attack speed becomes

Something else

the problem is when you take it off

Game becomes slow-mo

[plucky flax]

It shines especially well with combat axe tho

[hearty wolf]

For sure

[plucky flax]

Because of bm and the high first attack damage

[deft stump]

Knife with Martyrdom. RIP finger.

[nocturne dust]

Stuns in general are just a little too punishing

[hearty wolf]

Maybe I'll give rashad a go in havoc

honestly won't be bad because I hardly deal with hordes anyway as a zealot

So it's just for crunching crushers and maulers

[nocturne dust]

Zealot Rashad isn't bad at all

[plucky flax]

Use relic and you can deal with horde

Worse single target than ds4 tho

[hearty wolf]

I used relic all the time

it's just

why use relic

when I can press f

and psyker uses purgatus

[upper sun]

tbh relic feels unwieldy to me without like 5 wounds of attack speed

[nocturne dust]

Press F

Win

[hearty wolf]

People say this a lot but I use mk2 and find it fast enough

with no fotf

[plucky flax]

I like the 2 now I take it back its better than the 10

[hearty wolf]

We have converted another one

[upper sun]

2 feels better

[nocturne dust]

which one is the 2 and which one is the 10

[upper sun]

PA H1 H2 hoard
L1 L3 L4 L3 For single target

its pretty comfy

[hearty wolf]

10 is light attack spam for horde with the random thrust

2 is the one with the uppercut overhead

[nocturne dust]

[deft stump]

They are both annoying.

[wispy bay]

It is fun and strong in non Havoc, it is just that many people try to run it and fail even in Auric Damn, hence why I give it meme status and not trash.

[nocturne dust]

I still don't know what marks those are

[hearty wolf]

You l1 l3 l4 l3 for st?

[nocturne dust]

shows how much I use them

[upper sun]

ERRR

l1 H3H4

loop

[hearty wolf]

yeah

Yeah I was gonna say

xD

[upper sun]

i screamed at @fallow stream for that combo

round pal?

[hearty wolf]

WHY

why

?

[wispy bay]

Or just turn on the power and spam light attacks.

[upper sun]

he wanted L1 L2 H4 H3

[wispy bay]

It deletes about anything within seconds anyway.

[upper sun]

i wanna do L1 H3 H4

theres no reason to start with the uppercut

hell

you can do L1 H4 L1 H4

[wispy bay]

I run mk2

[upper sun]

mk2 so based

[hearty wolf]

Iirc uppercut has better damage against carapace I think

which is maybe why

But I hate the uppercut

so much

So I just l1 h3

[upper sun]

yeah i dislike the upper cut

[wispy bay]

Its light diagonal swing has both good enough cleave and damage.

[upper sun]

why would i readjust my aim mid combo if i dont have to

[wispy bay]

Uppercut is mid, because you can't headshot enemies.

[hearty wolf]

That uppercut is giga dogshit if you don't headshot though. Like it's a HUGE damage loss

You can headshot them

[patent mango]

look up

[hearty wolf]

It's just

^

Look up

[patent mango]

its funny

[hearty wolf]

Just feels dumb af

You're not actually trying to uppercut

you're trying to graze them

it's like anti-MH greatsword behavior

[wispy bay]

Nah, I want to look at the heretic in the eyes when I kill them.

Assert dominance

[prime elk]

hmm i'll try this combo. i was doing H1 H2 BC, and it was pretty awkward

[plucky flax]

I use push attack light heavy

[wispy bay]

My typical is H1 then lights.

[prime elk]

oh does that work too?

on mk2?

i'll give that a shot as well

[plucky flax]

I light right to left light then heavy left to right. You can chain that too

[wispy bay]

H2 is a little slow for my taste.

[hearty wolf]

Yeah the PA is just kinda its own thing

Ngl

[plucky flax]

I like the light attack just for the added attack speed and stagger

[hearty wolf]

I don't think of the attacks as a chain

[upper sun]

i correct that L1 H3 H4 for single target or L1 H3 L1 H3

[hearty wolf]

I think of them as the direction of the blade if that makes sense

[wispy bay]

You can move from either L1 or L2 into H3/H4 right the way.

[hearty wolf]

Also should be noted L1 >L3 is really good because it's fast and you can purposely l1 the air to prep a h3

good for muties or inc crusher

[wispy bay]

Another 430 wound relic in the shop... they are trolling me.

[deft stump]

I would like that. So I can be all, MAX STUFF.

[young falcon]

Funny enough, that relic uppercut is taken directly from HEMA texts

[shadow wigeon]

Yes, what im asking is how does BS/infernus source stacks interact - does BS only adds stacks if target is below 6, or does it always add the 6 stacks on top of infernus source

[nocturne dust]

Only if below

Inferno adds up to 15 (or 16 on a crit) stacks to a target, but will never go above 15 and cannot refresh stacks above 15

so even if it does get 16, it decays to 15 when using inferno

This is why multiple psykers running Inferno can often be more detrimental than anything

not that it matters outside of Havoc

[plucky flax]

Me personally I crit every time.

[nocturne dust]

I believe it decays even if you crit, it just goes above the 15 specifically if you crit on the last hit at 14

Patented Fatshark Programming

[plucky flax]

Swedish spaghetti code

[upper sun]

😋

[fickle nacelle]

is there a way to make the "you have mastery points to spend" notice go away from the Elctrokinetic Force Staff

[prime elk]

there's a mod that makes the notifications go away iirc

on nexus

[marble crater]

because of course there is a mod for that

[patent mango]

how is there a mod for that

[marble crater]

Because someone made it

[plucky flax]

It was FS employee.

He made it to fix his own game.

[prime elk]

wait really lol

[plucky flax]

Yes No

[patent mango]

or was wasnt it

[nocturne dust]

https://tenor.com/view/futurama-neutral-gif-8034848

[hearty wolf]

@plucky flax huh got this somehow xd

game is free

just don't take damage

this line goes hard

[quartz barn]

holy hell some people are bad

how do you do 20k dmg....

[patent mango]

pacifist run

[quartz barn]

havoc 19 btw

[patent mango]

was looking for plasteel in havoc

[fallow stream]

mk10 is objectively better

but mk2 is still fun

uppercut is nice

[patent mango]

how objective is your objectively

[plucky flax]

Only really pro players can have that.

[deft stump]

IDK man, I lag to hell and still get at least 120k.

[plucky flax]

When I see people say objectively I know it's 100% their opinion and not real objective.

[minor wedge]

I have found him

He is real

[buoyant maple]

You start by not using it

[hearty wolf]

Understandable

Its damage is kinda crap xd

[silver mantle]

The rashad has a special?

[buoyant maple]

Because veteran has 1s stam regen delay
Zealot has 0.75s
Psyker has 0.5s

So you don’t have infinite stamina with sprint & slide compared to psyker

[hearty wolf]

Yeah sprint and slide is my go to

If I slap on 3x stamina regen speed

That should be enough?

[deft stump]

Unless you grab the two stam delay talents?

[fallow stream]

very

[buoyant maple]

Nah

[fallow stream]

i made like 10 spreadsheets back when relic blade came out

and did a to nof testing

[buoyant maple]

Stam regen curio perk is regen rate only

[fallow stream]

mk10 is objectively better

[patent mango]

buff my mk2 fortshark 🙏

[buoyant maple]

It does not affect regen delay

[hearty wolf]

That's

Really sad

[fallow stream]

anyone who says otherwise is coping because uppercut is based

but mk2 is still good and 100% usable even in havoc

[patent mango]

cause mk2 is way mo fun

[fallow stream]

mk10 just pulls ahead

[patent mango]

with the silly uppercut

[buoyant maple]

Being able to use PA to swap horde/single target combos is already a massive advantage

[patent mango]

i just want a proper horde combo on mk2

[fallow stream]

100% play what you enjoy

but mk10's horde clear is better and its a horde clear weapon

[upper sun]

wrong opinion but ok

[buoyant maple]

Just get used to the slower stamina regen and you’ll be fine

[fallow stream]

i'm better than you

[upper sun]

explode

[plucky flax]

How to horde clear on mk10?

[deft stump]

They both suck, FGS better.

[upper sun]

(i will explode you with a burster)

[fallow stream]

#zealot-class message

[buoyant maple]

L1 > L2 > [H3 > L2/H4]

[fallow stream]

wrong

optimal horde clear on relic mk10 is light spam

i did a bunch of horde clear value testing and posted a few sheets on it

[upper sun]

no heavies?

[fallow stream]

nope

i also found some interesting values when i was testing

fo r example

[hearty wolf]

Ay yeah I'll have to. It's just that it's a genuine gameplay change which is sort of interesting.

I also notice it in combats - can't spam pushes and dodges without stamina eventually trickling down.

It's almost like it's a finite resource now

[fallow stream]

uncharged heavy loop is the EXACT same as light charged loop

[nocturne dust]

https://tenor.com/view/megamind-gif-26070434

[buoyant maple]

For pure horde it’s just lights yea
For mixed horde heavies come in

[fallow stream]

(slower, but same damage)

[fallow stream]

not on mk10 because it has the poke mixed in.

also with the build i posted it doesn't have cleave or armor issues

you don't run IJ on it

[buoyant maple]

Light twice then block cancel

[fallow stream]

suboptimal

[zinc phoenix]

so i tried this with recon (infernus rig)/rashad (bromentum) and 2x tough 1x stam (all three rocking stam/tough/cdr) in an h38 and liked it a lot. felt like vet was pretty viable in havoc with it. biggest issues i felt like i ran into was horde clear and (somehow) stam but otherwise very enjoyable

[buoyant maple]

lol ok

[deft stump]

There are talents to reduce it though. Just hard to get both of them.

[fallow stream]

the third poke is really good for taking out elites and other enemies

if its JUST chaff.. sure

otherwise not worth it

[plucky flax]

I've been playing with carapace unyielding too. Flak is needed?

[fallow stream]

you take rampage/cranial and you cleave through mixed hordes like butter

relic blade is so obscenely strong you don't need to do any fancy combos

[plucky flax]

I think I am good enough I don't need flak.

[fallow stream]

flak is the most common armor type in the game

you almost always take it

especially on relic blade

otherwise you'll have issues cleaving bruisers

[buoyant maple]

Yea, veteran actually has to play the game

[fallow stream]

real

i played vet for the first time ever the other day

i have 5 zealots and that was all i played forever

[nocturne dust]

[patent mango]

i'll play vet when they get a fun melee

[nocturne dust]

Veteran talking about how engaging vet is over the other classes

[fallow stream]

[silver mantle]

Theyvhave one

[zinc phoenix]

i also did a hard clutch that game so i was pretty happy all in all

[silver mantle]

Its called the mk7 shovel

[plucky flax]

No unyielding is sad too.

RIP monster damage.

[buoyant maple]

When did I say veteran is the only class that has to play the game

[patent mango]

isnt that kinda mid

[steep loom]

do you guys know if the fgs special counts as a warp attack for proccing souldrinker

[zinc phoenix]

rashad is a reasonably fun melee

[silver mantle]

You bonk crushers and they die

[steep loom]

i mean soulstealer

[silver mantle]

And its fun

[nocturne dust]

I mean, by specifying veteran in particular in the way you do, you are very much implying there are others that don't have to play the game

[hearty wolf]

I just find it funny that the different classes just have basically the same ult in different forms and they play the same ish

Then there's Vet

[silver mantle]

And has satisfying feedback on hits

[hearty wolf]

Like

The game is unnecessarily harder for no reason

[jovial juniper]

Nah just shoot everything

[nocturne dust]

[patent mango]

noooooo

[nocturne dust]

Vet is literally the strongest auric class

[zinc phoenix]

i think the big difference btw voc vet and other classes is that you have much more sustained ability to chill away from the group

[nocturne dust]

and still stronger than Ogryn in Havoc

[zinc phoenix]

you can fight your way back pretty safely

[patent mango]

i think it'd help if vet had smth in place of stealth 2 and smoke nades

[buoyant maple]

Nah, still psyker

[silver mantle]

Stealth shredders are the bomb

[deft stump]

You mean mk3.

[fallow stream]

i'm pretty sure vet is the worst only behind ogryn in high level play

[nocturne dust]

Look, lots of very experienced players say that, and they're all dumb and wrong

because the noobs use vet to get through auric

[fallow stream]

[nocturne dust]

[silver mantle]

Mk3 and 7 both have the bonk, just different light heavy combos

I lile the horizontal heavies of the mk7

[buoyant maple]

3rd best yea, cuz u don’t get major pacemaker moves unlike psyker & zealot

[zinc phoenix]

nade spam and voc is a lot of vet control ability tho

[fallow stream]

zealot never dies and psyker can basically remove both melee and ranged enemies from the game

[silver mantle]

But you do give the team utility while you ate dead

[deft stump]

Naw, 3's special heavy is faster.

[fallow stream]

i do enjoy vet though i've been playing around with it

[blissful bluff]

Plasma gun is best gun in game

[buoyant maple]

A lot of temporary control, but not much sustain behind it

[fallow stream]

ill probably make an og next

[hearty wolf]

The main issue is how you have to wait for stagger refreshes

[silver mantle]

? (Send video plz or Ill test later)

[zinc phoenix]

also pretty much everyone agrees that survivalist vet is handy because you can shoot

[fallow stream]

i disagree just because i feel like it

[hearty wolf]

I still really like Vet

[buoyant maple]

Lore accurate zealot player

[hearty wolf]

I'm enjoying it much more than psyker and zealot

[zinc phoenix]

oh hey what do you run recon las these days for havoc?

[buoyant maple]

I don’t usually run recon

[zinc phoenix]

le gasp

[fallow stream]

can you give me a good h40 vet build

i leveled a vet just in case i need to swap to it

[buoyant maple]

If I did it’d be VIc with dum dum + infernus, flak + 5% crit chance

[nocturne dust]

Banned from Psyker chat

[buoyant maple]

What melee do u use

[silver mantle]

Knife, bolter, stealth

[jovial juniper]

Picked Ilas back recently
If you like M1 spam go for it

[zinc phoenix]

that's what i did except carapace instead of flak 🤔

[silver mantle]

[zinc phoenix]

but carapace felt ass

[fallow stream]

literally no preference cause i never play vet, i just need an alt class if we have too many zealots

[buoyant maple]

Carapace not worth cuz you won’t get enough ammo for onslaught usage

[fallow stream]

i have everything mastered

except uhhh

[zinc phoenix]

ive been able to play and win with all four classes in high havoc

[fallow stream]

i think shovels like 19 but its whatever

[zinc phoenix]

i think they all do ok

[nocturne dust]

I like vet more than Psyker right now, but mainly as a source of novelty. Been playing too much psyker and zealot for Havoc

[fallow stream]

for havoc yes?

[buoyant maple]

If u don’t play duelling sword, it’s smth like the pic sin(elara) sent above

That’s what I made

[hearty wolf]

yuh, red nodes for havoc if you can

[buoyant maple]

1 float point depending on what gun ur using

[fallow stream]

what aweapons w this

[hearty wolf]

for rashad

To hit its 2.4k dmg bonks

[fallow stream]

noobshad...

[buoyant maple]

Rashad + plasma/recon/laspistol/boltpistol

[fallow stream]

wait

vet can hit rashad bps?

[buoyant maple]

Yea

[fallow stream]

WHAAT

[buoyant maple]

You can 3 hit bulwark with it

[nocturne dust]

Vet has the best Rashad BPs

[hearty wolf]

Vet is insane

It's like unreal

[nocturne dust]

Rashad is strongest on Vet if I'm not mistaken

[hearty wolf]

You fucking bonk bonk bonk

[buoyant maple]

Combat axe is the only melee that scales better on veteran than on zealot

[plucky flax]

Without flak I can 1 shot scab bruiser anyway with rampage up.

[hearty wolf]

everything just dies

[fallow stream]

can it hit horde clear bps in h40>?

[plucky flax]

Flak seems unneeded for horde clear.