but you have to test that on the server
#psyker-class
summer prairie
thorn cedar
if youre hitching the theory on being server miscommunication anyway
summer prairie
souldrinker always seemed to work in psyk
nocturne dust
Yes
nocturne dust
I don't understand how the netcode can be this bad 😭
wind spruce
but you have to test that on the server
Only for the server tick thing
nocturne dust
at least I assume the netcode is the culprit again
summer prairie
well it makes more sense for them to work as they do on the server
wind spruce
Not for whether non SB KBs from other players proc the talent
wind spruce
Yeah but it doesn't make a difference if it can proc off non SB KBs...
You want a double proc? 
nocturne dust
Yeah but it doesn't make a difference if it can proc off non SB KBs...
but that's exactly how Souldrinker works in the psykh
wind spruce
Right ic, just wokie up brain
weary crane
Is the 100% cleave good for ball spam
late sapphire
Is the 100% cleave good for ball spam
mandatory now
nocturne dust
Is the 100% cleave good for ball spam
no
You'll only cleave at near the max peril. You'd be lucky to get multiple shots off.
and even then, only for like... walkers
patent jacinth
If only there was a way I could cast for sustained periods at near maximum peril
patent jacinth
I don't lmb spam
nocturne dust
wait
nocturne dust
Is the 100% cleave good for ball spam
do you mean voidstrike rmb or lmb
haughty star
He means rmb
nocturne dust
this is why I disliked people referring to lmb as balls 😭
weary crane
No, electro light spam
patent jacinth
Voidstrike is the only real baller
patent jacinth
No, electro light spam
Laaaaaaame
haughty star
No, electro light spam
Thats not ballspam and no
Cleave is almost meaningless to lmb
haughty star
wind spruce
Ball spam wasn't a term before lmb builds tho
patent jacinth
Hitting that 30 stack scriers full DD warp unbound surge crit
nocturne dust
nocturne dust
Ball spam wasn't a term before lmb builds tho
haughty star
Voidstrike is the goat (surge is better generally speaking but I cope hard for strike)
patent jacinth
Voidstrike is the most fun staff
nocturne dust
If only strike cleaved carapace
weary crane
Does EE make you immune to gunners and reapers?
haughty star
Ball spam wasn't a term before lmb builds tho
I've always called voistrike ballspam staff
nocturne dust
Then it would be goat even in Havoc
haughty star
Does EE make you immune to gunners and reapers?
Yes
patent jacinth
I've always called voistrike ballspam staff
I call it bowling
weary crane
who needs shield when you have EE
late sapphire
If only strike cleaved carapace
I gave it a try but my balls cant cleave steel they just hurt instead
Someone who isn't using a macro like a boring weenie
haughty star
Jesus that's a crazy macro
weary crane
Is "lighting storm" any good?
haughty star
What does that look like with assail spam?
jovial juniper
Is "lighting storm" any good?
It's noticeable if you're a long time smiter
zinc phoenix
I gave it a try but my balls cant cleave steel they just hurt instead
Meaty balls can’t cut steel beams
Checkmate atheists
haughty star
Is "lighting storm" any good?
If you're actually smiting for damage it's meaningful
weary crane
What does that look like with assail spam?
meh
haughty star
Thats ridiculous lol
weary crane
haughty star
Imma need your macro timings for research purposes
My shits weak
Your shit stronk
weary crane
idk which is better
haughty star
Please? I can tune it too I'm just lazy af
weary crane
what program are u using
haughty star
I'm using synapse
But i got voice attack and a couple other softwares that also do it
weary crane
<?xml version="1.0" encoding="utf-8"?>
<Macro xmlns:xsi="http://www.w3.org/2001/XMLSchema-instance" xmlns:xsd="http://www.w3.org/2001/XMLSchema">
<Name>spam</Name>
<Guid>3a4b548c-75e4-478e-b39f-ad210758c03b</Guid>
<MacroEvents>
<MacroEvent>
<Type>2</Type>
<Delay>19</Delay>
<MouseEvent>
<MouseButton>1</MouseButton>
<State>0</State>
</MouseEvent>
</MacroEvent>
<MacroEvent>
<Type>2</Type>
<Delay>19</Delay>
<MouseEvent>
<MouseButton>1</MouseButton>
<State>1</State>
</MouseEvent>
</MacroEvent>
<MacroEvent>
<Type>1</Type>
<Delay>19</Delay>
<KeyEvent>
<Makecode>19</Makecode>
</KeyEvent>
</MacroEvent>
<MacroEvent>
<Type>1</Type>
<Delay>19</Delay>
<KeyEvent>
<Makecode>19</Makecode>
<State>1</State>
</KeyEvent>
</MacroEvent>
</MacroEvents>
<IsFolder>false</IsFolder>
<FolderGuid>00000000-0000-0000-0000-000000000000</FolderGuid>
</Macro>```
ornate hamlet
idk which is better
What start class and everything about is this nice!
weary crane
haughty star
```xml
<?xml version="1.0" encoding="utf-8"?>
<Macro xmlns:xsi="http://www.w3.or...
What am I supposed to do with this
autumn lark
```xml
<?xml version="1.0" encoding="utf-8"?>
<Macro xmlns:xsi="http://www.w3.or...
what ya got there?
lavish glade
@haughty star 
median sorrel
```xml
<?xml version="1.0" encoding="utf-8"?>
<Macro xmlns:xsi="http://www.w3.or...
Is this what e-sex feels like
jovial juniper
?????
weary crane
I'm just testing shit
https://youtu.be/P-6Cwla6ueI?si=0JljR4GkD8_xIgA_
I got bored of burning heretics
obtuse walrus
haughty star
<@646391497226190879> <:Pepe_noob:1177114186665447514>
I am I was just wondering why it had a link lol
lavish glade
haughty star
Why does it ?
The weirdest shit i got into so far is modding titty jiggle physics and a stacked female v into cyberpunk
radiant frigate
oh gravity, thou art a heartless bitch
proper osprey
Is the 100% cleave good for ball spam
Yeah I run scriers with voidstrike
upper sun
deserved
radiant frigate
Death
upper sun
i am finally done with vet penances
i cant wait for the next enhcaned blitz game so i can cheese this
lavish glade
Fatshark banned me
tragic
autumn lark
Fatshark banned me
brazen rampart
Fatshark banned me
Deserved.
upper sun
oh my god i just found the most low iq way to play ogryn
simple monolith
For inferno staff what should I use as a dump stat? Was thinking burn or warp resist but idk.
upper sun
bind sprint onto w
so sprint and forward are the same button
its automatic sprint cancelling 
brazen rampart
For inferno staff what should I use as a dump stat? Was thinking burn or warp r...
Never dump burn, that affects your stack gain. Dump warp res on all staves except voidstrike, where you dump blast radius.
simple monolith
OK thanks
brazen rampart
oh my god i just found the most low iq way to play ogryn
Step 1, be Clad.
simple monolith
Also. Is there any way to get wildfire with assail or do I have to go through brain rap or smite?
upper sun
Step 1, be Clad.
#ogryn-class message
look at this LOOK
brazen rampart
https://discord.com/channels/727074276724965407/1046914161923334214/132234437978...
"Look at this Clad post!"
No, I don't think I will.
analog agate
Fatshark banned me
If this is serious this would be the first ban I have seen for a macro. Everything else has been hearsay from chinese stuff
It would also upend the narrative that “FS won’t ban for complex macros”
I am assuming you are joking though
hasty valve
What are the must have talents for gunker?
weary crane
Nah it was just a server crash lol
nocturne dust
What are the must have talents for gunker?
All of them
All of the talents
(there's no 'must haves')
Metawise tho, you just go assail/scrier's/DD
plucky flax
Wifi at this place sucks I can't play. Next time it'll be back europe.
EU bros can carry me again 
zinc phoenix
I’ve been too busy being holly and jolly
And exceedingly drunk 😂
My family can’t get through an afternoon together without a cart of booze 😂
simple widget
man what are these insane requirements for havoc i'm seeing
i got the meta psyker build and over lvl 50 on my psyker and i'm being denied entry for pretty much all parties
what do these bluds want more 💀
simple widget
What's your meta psyker build?
dueling sword trauma/inferno
let me send a sc of my talent tree
nocturne dust
also also, Havoc hosts get like dozens and dozens of join requests
plucky flax
Seems solid.
nocturne dust
so you may just be drowned in the swamp of requests
plucky flax
Maybe you should try hosting your own game. 
simple widget
so you may just be drowned in the swamp of requests
i mean i'm getting the "denied" message
so idk
nocturne dust
I really love how Havoc hosts get all of the risks and none of the benefits
nocturne dust
i mean i'm getting the "denied" message
Has anyone confirmed whether that is automatic or not?
simple widget
oh i can't even send screenshots lmao
simple widget
Has anyone confirmed whether that is automatic or not?
don't think it is
it comes at different time intervals
like sometimes i get denied almost instantly and sometimes it takes a minute
nocturne dust
well that could be it denying you automatically once the party is full
which would have varying times
simple widget
i guess, no way to confirm
marble crater
I don't think you get denied when the party is full. The party just vanishes from the list
simple widget
also lvl 50 is actually quite low <:loregryn:1036580674741731379>
btw i know it's not exactly high level but still you don't need the 2k hour emperor of mankind to do this game well
nocturne dust
btw i know it's not exactly high level but still you don't need the 2k hour empe...
true, but it's also true that people are gonna suck more at lower levels
marble crater
Are you trying to join havoc close to what you cleared already?
nocturne dust
It's not causation but it is correlation
simple widget
Are you trying to join havoc close to what you cleared already?
so the best i could join was 20 or 25 i don't remember, and i completed that, but when i try 40, or even stuff like 29-30, i get denied
can't complete higher difficulties if i'm being cockblocked havoc lol
marble crater
Well yeah you get denied 40 when you only cleared 25
analog agate
what do these bluds want more 💀
I am a 1550, cleared havoc 40 multiple times/true survivor and flaunt it. I am still denied often. People are just weird
marble crater
The host doesn't want to lose their 3 attempts
magic cipher
What do you peeps think of this EK staff setup? 🙂
marble crater
No, it's just the host has all the risk and picks the best people he can pick based on havoc level, borders, titles and maybe true level mod
simple widget
The host doesn't want to lose their 3 attempts
don't you just get downgraded back to 39?
marble crater
What do you peeps think of this EK staff setup? 🙂
That's a standard EK staff build that will serve you very well
magic cipher
Thanks 😁
Think I need to get a bit better with Illisi for those oh shit situations
When surrounded by mobs
marble crater
don't you just get downgraded back to 39?
And then they have to win their way to 40 again
They might also try to get 40 for their friend or whatever. I also don't pick people that are too low when I host and look for randoms
simple widget
so they lose at best 30-40 minutes when they lose their havoc 40 mission 3 times
marble crater
Or they lose almost 2 hours if that is already their 3rd attempt and they fail at the end event
simple widget
and i suppose they lose nothing else?
nocturne dust
What do you peeps think of this EK staff setup? 🙂
I would dump EE for wildfire but that's a minor thing, looks good
marble crater
Their rank which they have to earn again to do it all over again after that
simple widget
their weekly rank you mean? not their permanent "this is what i have completed" rank
marble crater
They want to do 40 and there is a 25 and a 38 applying, they know nothing about either of those people, of course they pick the guy who already cleared the level that is very similar to what they want to do
simple widget
yeah that makes sense
still weird that so many players are apparently higher level than me, applying for the same mission, and in my region at the same time, so that i literally always get denied
nocturne dust
their weekly rank you mean? not their permanent "this is what i have completed" ...
There is no permanent rank
There's your rank and the rank of your mission
both decay
marble crater
No, would be funny though
analog agate
I guess. Really only applies if you have done a 40 though
magic cipher
I would dump EE for wildfire but that's a minor thing, looks good
Tempting but EE comes in so handy 😅
nocturne dust
Just don't get hit
magic cipher
If only I was that good
marble crater
Best way if you get denied all the time is hosting yourself, or ask in discord I guess, probably a better chance than in game, but still not certain when people don't know much about you
nocturne dust
I mean, sliding avoids ranged fire
marble crater
If only I was that good
Just spam dodge and kill things
nocturne dust
If you're good at sliding, EE is mostly just a node for comfort
marble crater
Don't even need to slide, dodge and stun the things that attack you with your staff, or suppress them
stuck sinew
true, but it's also true that people are gonna suck more at lower levels
I swear Havoc 25 is harder than 40 because of this. I just want to grind out the assists but every mid level strike team somehow wipes in the second area and I have to try and clutch 
analog agate
I have actually started doing my non havoc builds in 20s to carry crappers
Meaning VS instead of bubble
marble crater
25 is just low enough where people don't spam bubbles and chorus yet, but high enough where they should if they are not great players
Zealots refusing to use cleans aura with goop on the floor etc.
nocturne dust
Meaning VS instead of bubble
Voidstrike instead of bubble? 
stuck sinew
It's hard to carry people when they're just eating mauler overheads and dying instantly
analog agate
nocturne dust
Don't even need to slide, dodge and stun the things that attack you with your st...
Eeeehhhhh, running out of dodges is a thing and sometimes they're too far
and maybe too many of them spread out
analog agate
Yeah. By carrying I mean not keeping them up. But being able to kill everything myself. Bubble doesn’t help for that
marble crater
and maybe too many of them spread out
Just kill them quicker
nocturne dust
Yeah. By carrying I mean not keeping them up. But being able to kill everything ...
Sure but I was just pointing out that Voidstrike is not an ability
marble crater
You are not an ability
nocturne dust
True
magic cipher
If you're good at sliding, EE is mostly just a node for comfort
I am not sadly
stuck sinew
Yeah. By carrying I mean not keeping them up. But being able to kill everything ...
Zealots trying to speed run how fast they can run around a corner and die before you even get the chance:
analog agate
nocturne dust
That is a demand, not a suggestion
magic cipher
Sliding is a pain on controller 💀 Need to figure out a way to make it feel less clunky
nocturne dust
Get a mouse and keyboard
analog agate
Ohhhh controller. Ew
magic cipher
Or slide spamming is anyway
nocturne dust
magic cipher
One day
Might try the wildfire then, should I also swap out psychic vampire for fire reborn?
marble crater
Sliding is a pain on controller 💀 Need to figure out a way to make it feel less...
Where is your dodge button? 
nocturne dust
Yes, I am definitely god tier and not one of the worst players in Havoc 40 shoring up my weakness with meta munchkinnery.
magic cipher
I forget
nocturne dust
Might try the wildfire then, should I also swap out psychic vampire for fire reb...
On EK? No
marble crater
B button lol
That's not good. I suggest the layout where dodge is on LB and not having dodge and jump be the same button
nocturne dust
On Inferno? Yes
magic cipher
Cool ty
nocturne dust
On Trauma? Eh
Psychic is more consistent so either/or. If it's fire trauma, obviously.
magic cipher
That's not good. I suggest the layout where dodge is on LB and not having dodge ...
That does sound good, is that a premade layout?
marble crater
Yes
marble crater
Pinging might be bad, but that should be balanced out by you being able to dodge a lot better
Pinging is overrated
magic cipher
Yeah that seems like a good tradeoff
marble crater
Lowering aim assist is also something I did, aim assist is actually harmful in this game, not even funny
nocturne dust
Pinging is overrated <:chadgryn:1161142998214656090>
One sec, rebinding ping to lmb
marble crater
Is it just too sticky?
Aim assist is good when there is a single enemy you want to track and shoot at, it's awful when there are dozens of enemies and you want to aim at the elite instead of all the shit poxwalkers that drag your aim to them instead
marble crater
One sec, rebinding ping to lmb
blocked
Also people like that are why I muted my ping sound
magic cipher
That makes sense, ty 🙂
marble crater
Ping on attack is just so bad, you don't really need to ping whatever you are killing at this very moment
nocturne dust
I do because I'm blind
marble crater
Fair, but then once is enough
nocturne dust
well ping on lmb is obnoxious as fuck
true
marble crater
I ping snipers so I can brain burst them easier
nocturne dust
Yes
prime elk
brain burst is the best ping
anything in the process of being brain bursted just immediately draws fire from the whole team
lavish plover
lmaoo every time
nocturne dust
I mean, I kinda want allies to target things I'm BBing
marble crater
RMB to stealth BB
I use that maybe once every 50 missions
nocturne dust
I use that maybe once every 50 missions <:KEKW_ogryn:1022077188322906163>
Really? It has some use as like an opening move to an encounter
I'll normally RMB BB every now and then on Inferno
marble crater
To be fair I don't really use BB a lot anyway, I think. Not sure what the average
nocturne dust
I mean, I only ever pull out BB to stick with the group in Havoc.
If I wasn't bothering to stick with the group, I'd just slide up and roast them
marble crater
BB in havoc is just so, so sad. Can't even kill specials with one BB anymore. Why bother using it
weary idol
Eeeehhhhh, running out of dodges is a thing and sometimes they're too far
I run out of dodges all the damn time because of shooters forcing me to dodge slide
valid holly
for the blaze force greatsword what would be a good dump stat?
weary idol
and also sprint slide
hard hamlet
is there a consensus on the best force gs builds yet 🤔
weary idol
wrath because it desperately wants cleave, and unstable power because hey free damage (and cleave)
shred works too
at least that's the consensus of me, myself and I
(and also what the pinned psyker guide says)
hard hamlet
wrath unstable power and warp splitting would make it into a weed whacker 😮
marble crater
for the blaze force greatsword what would be a good dump stat?
Warp res
valid holly
why warp res and not def?
autumn lark
is there a consensus on the best force gs builds yet 🤔
Use warp splitting to force cleave with scrier and get riposte to proc mettle and either unstable or precognition depending on playstyle
(This is for mk8 and unstable warp rider are very strong with scrier)
2 tap crushers with heavy overhead or a push stab
marble crater
is it becuase psykers have ways to manage warp?
Because it's the least important stat on that sword, you need defense because the dodges are shit and you need to make them less shit
hard hamlet
yeah mk8 push stab is super good, i can just bully gangs of crushers with it
valid holly
@marble crater well alight i thank you for your knowledge
hard hamlet
is it becuase psykers have ways to manage warp?
its because you WANT peril
ruby chasm
yea def dump fgs is just pain for the sake of pain
hard hamlet
peril is damage and toughness damage res
unstable power and wrath or shred, hm
more cleave or more crit
🤔
ruby chasm
wrath and riposte 
hard hamlet
cleave and crit
turbid inlet
Does anyone have a good build that uses the FGS and Telekine Shield? I'd like to use the FGS in Havoc.
prime elk
more cleave or more crit
crit and crit. riposte and shred
hard hamlet
i tried that and i also tried wrath and unstable power
the mega mega cleave was pretty fun too
maybe theres more than one way to make a force gs that slaps 😛
prime elk
Does anyone have a good build that uses the FGS and Telekine Shield? I'd like t...
you can try something like this
but make sure you take wrath on your fgs
prime elk
the mega mega cleave was pretty fun too
you could get away without wrath by peril edging / warp splitting
but yeah wrath is nice to have
and basically mandatory for havoc
hard hamlet
yeah i used warp splitting wrath AND unstable power together and it was pretty sweet
like a lawnmower
esp with gaze
turbid inlet
but make sure you take wrath on your fgs
What staff should I use with this?
prime elk
What staff should I use with this?
for havoc, it's going to be either trauma, purg, or recon las mk vi with infernus
hearty wolf
I don't have the Mk6 recon staff
prime elk
i recommend obtaining one asap
nocturne dust
What staff should I use with this?
Inferno or Trauma
Those who say recon are dumb and wrong
(totally unbiased opinion)
Although you can also use EK with FGS in Havoc, but then you really need to know your stuff when it comes to FGS
patent mango
bistol
prime elk
Those who say recon are dumb and wrong <:angymorrow:1062670568916267038>
average staffker main take
nocturne dust
average staffker main take <:KEKW_ogryn:1022077188322906163>
Yes
Although taking recon in Havoc seriously hurts your team. Even if you don't ever pick up ammo (which I doubt) you'll still be removing the sheer clear that Trauma and Inferno have.
Trauma also just lets your buddies stay safe with its stagger
sand sigil
Trauma good for havoc?
nocturne dust
Very.
sand sigil
I would of thought I’d be stealing toughness from the melee characters
nocturne dust
For one, toughness isn't hugely a thing on Havoc
for two, most melee don't get much toughness from crushers
sand sigil
My struggle in havoc is supporting people. I’ve been using inferno, but it’s hard to navigate the environment to deal with gunners, compared to void strike
nocturne dust
well don't
That's not really your job
You're inferno, plop a bubble down and deal with the horde while your buddies handle gunners
sand sigil
What’s my job persay? Mostly I’ve been a bubble bitch trying to farm warp charges to keep it up
Havoc 24 btw
nocturne dust
Your job is to clear.
As Inferno, you should be spamming RMB to max stacks on enemies and do as much damage as possible to as many enemies as possible
Bubble is there to keep your team alive, but doesn't hugely play into it
Bring it up when you can, but make sure you have cover anyway
sand sigil
I’ve been positioning myself usually with my back to a wall to avoid spawns. Monstrosities I struggle in groups with especially double spawn.
Beginning to think I should just play zealot
nocturne dust
That's normal.
sand sigil
Maybe with trauma I’ll have more cc to control the flow of the run
nocturne dust
Max stacks on the boss, clear other enemies, and hit the boss with your sword. Priorities in that order.
Inferno is better against bosses, but really what you have to do is isolate the boss from everything else. That largely means the Psyker gets to be the separator because their boss damage sucks.
turbid inlet
Although you can also use EK with FGS in Havoc, but then you really need to know...
What do you mean by this?
dense flume
I haven't done much trauma, but Is the blast better cc than primary purg spam?
nocturne dust
What do you mean by this?
EK is viable on Havoc, but it requires more skill and more reliance on FGS in comparison to trauma or inferno
nocturne dust
I haven't done much trauma, but Is the blast better cc than primary purg spam?
Absolutely
The blast topples everything that isn't a boss
scarlet comet
i felt less useless using inferno with knife as primary so I can reposition super quickly but ymmv, I'm still learning
kind of cracked how quickly you can move around abusing the heavy attack
dense flume
The blast topples everything that isn't a boss
Right but I guess my thought was more, cone vs circle, larger area to cc = more (potential) enemies. I guess everything pretty much has to be bottlenecked at higher havocs, though, eh?
sand sigil
Absolutely
Psyker master
Bestow upon me some more emperor blessed tips for pushing Havoc as a psyker
Also do you have a build template for trauma for havoc?
nocturne dust
Right but I guess my thought was more, cone vs circle, larger area to cc = more ...
Yes, a key part of havoc is retreating
analog agate
I personally do this for VB build
nocturne dust
Also do you have a build template for trauma for havoc?
I would run something like this
sand sigil
You don’t get toughness reduction on peril level?
analog agate
Not worth it in high havoc
nocturne dust
maybe replace mettle with warp expenditure because mettle doesn't work with rmb on Trauma right now
analog agate
Your toughness goes in 1/4 a volley haha
nocturne dust
Yeah, toughness is hit super hard in Havoc
You want to not get hit
which is why bubble is the meta
sand sigil
Does Soulblaze do much damage to get it?
analog agate
Yes
sand sigil
Whilst not using inferno/Shriek
nocturne dust
Yes, expecially if you're Fire Trauma
although Rending Trauma is actually pretty good in Havoc
I would recommend Rending Trauma if there's a second psyker using Inferno on the team over Fire Trauma
and with rending trauma, you could make an argument to dump PC and Wildfire
analog agate
Imo flurry/rending is just completely meh. If you want to do rending still do blaze as your other blessing
And just not be like Dead. Embrace quell cancel
nocturne dust
Imo flurry/rending is just completely meh. If you want to do rending still do bl...
It's not tho
I mean it is if you consider only yourself
but don't
Havoc is a team sport
nocturne dust
Quell cancel?
Quelling to cancel animations to attack faster.
analog agate
🤷♂️ I have done both. Just not impressed
sand sigil
Ah okay
nocturne dust
I don't do any cancelling tho
Also the issue with Blazing Spirit and why we're avoiding it in the first place is because it steals the first soulblaze stack away from the Inferno player
analog agate
Quell cancel?
All you do is tap R after your explosion and it animation cancels so you can cast quicker
nocturne dust
which means their Blaze Away does not blaze away 😔
(because whoever gets the first stack of a DoT """owns""" all the damage/stacks)
so Flurry is beneficial specifically because it's not Blazing Spirit
sand sigil
Any other tips?
I’ll be giving trauma staff ago as psyker, and I’ll focus on kiting the boss rather than trying to out kill it if two spawn.
And clearing
nocturne dust
If there's like one crusher, knock it over and stab it in the head. If there's a lot, just spam the explosion
The explosion only knocks over ogryns caught in the circle radius, and ogryns get stagger resistance after being knocked over, so you do have to be prepared to back up
hardy coral
There's something Truly magical about getting the "True Survivor" Title in an Rank 40 run. 
analog agate
I’ll be giving trauma staff ago as psyker, and I’ll focus on kiting the boss rat...
Your first role is to clear all ads during boss fights. And then melee them with ds iv or fgs. Never use VB on them
nocturne dust
You can use VB, it's just crap damage
analog agate
You “can” use it. May you? No
turbid inlet
I would run something like this
Do you use a website to generate that image, or do you just screenshot the game?
turbid inlet
https://darktide.gameslantern.com/build-editor
So you just screenshot the part of the page where the talent tree is?
nocturne dust
si
turbid inlet
Alright, how does this look for Havoc with an FGS and EK staff?
nocturne dust
super sus
analog agate
EK staff works better with warp charges. You will need to decide if you want to do a fgs build or EK build
nocturne dust
You're missing warp rider, which is big and practically mandatory on all Psyker builds
analog agate
If you want to stick with Destiny that is
nocturne dust
And you can use EK and FGS together, but you're going to have to make one suffer
magic cipher
EK with Illisi is nice but I do wish I could do both also
nocturne dust
EK in havoc doesn't mind as much about losing warp charges if you're running bubble, but also your bubble is largely a backup and you'll probably want an additional bubble psyker
analog agate
Then again… I don’t know if I would use EK without shriek. So I am not the best person for my opinion
keen solar
There's something Truly magical about getting the "True Survivor" Title in an Ra...
I got it on my first 35 on accident lol
keen solar
Would've been funny if they gatekept it at 40
nocturne dust
FGS
maiden oracle
Fgs he’s a melee psyker
turbid inlet
I would likely main the FGS.
analog agate
I thought we were taking about Ego’s build
nocturne dust
oh I thought they were asking about Json
analog agate
I should stop interjecting myself mid convo lol
maiden oracle
Oh whoops
magic cipher
I should really try and get better the FGS, it's fun
turbid inlet
I guess this would be good if I were to main EK?
magic cipher
oh I thought they were asking about Json <:KEKW_ogryn:1022077188322906163>
I was haha
I'd be interested to see Json's build
Do they use MK6 or 8?
hardy coral
I got it on my first 35 on accident lol
it wasnt really intentional its just the Randoms i was playing with had brains.
keen solar
it wasnt really intentional its just the Randoms i was playing with had brains.
We love randoms with brains
turbid inlet
And then this if I main FGS?
verbal thistle
am I colorblind, or is this really hard to tell what you have
you can just use Gameslantern for ease of use
keen solar
And then this if I main FGS?
Why Wildfire?
nocturne dust
Do they use MK6 or 8?
6
turbid inlet
am I colorblind, or is this really hard to tell what you have
Is this comment directed at me? I am using Games Lantern.
prime elk
your games lantern looks really different for some reason
sand sigil
Your first role is to clear all ads during boss fights. And then melee them with...
Vb?
turbid inlet
Oh, it's probably because I have Dark Reader installed. Let me disable it.
keen solar
VB is goated honestly
turbid inlet
Here's the FGS maining build again:
sand sigil
Which one is that trauma?
verbal thistle
voidblast
sand sigil
The void balls?
keen solar
Which one is that trauma?
Trauma staff got renamed to Voidblast
sand sigil
Kay
turbid inlet
Why Wildfire?
I have Wildfire on because I heard it's good with EK and PC, but since I'm not maining EK in that build, I guess I can take it off.
sand sigil
And what stats on the fgs is dump? Warp resistance?
prime elk
And what stats on the fgs is dump? Warp resistance?
yeh
sand sigil
I imagine mobility would be good to have all things considered
keen solar
I have Wildfire on because I heard it's good with EK and PC, but since I'm not m...
Yeah wildfire in general seems a bit bad, there's only like one C tier build that makes use of it
sand sigil
Yeah love my edge sesh
nocturne dust
I'd be interested to see Json's build
They run unstable power and.... shred? Idk, I think I'm slightly off
magic cipher
Anyone know what capstone Json takes?
nocturne dust
DD
prime elk
FGS really likes DD
turbid inlet
Yeah wildfire in general seems a bit bad, there's only like one C tier build tha...
What could I slot in if I were to take WIldfire off?
magic cipher
Ah perfect timing, ty!
nocturne dust
@clear heath can confirm?
keen solar
Here's the FGS maining build again:
The 10% toughness above the shield would be solid
Next to the crit for ranged dodge
I don't bother remembering the names
verbal thistle
one with the warp
keen solar
^
turbid inlet
^
But if ranged enemies strip toughness off in Havoc so quickly, wouldn't that not help anyway?
analog agate
Really depends on which havoc level you are playing
keen solar
No, because gold toughness
The meta is TDR because gold toughness gives a flat amount
For havoc atleast
analog agate
Psyker VB/inferno meta does not have one with the warp
But we are talking about EK so idk about that
keen solar
Here
analog agate
Never rely on someone else’s build for your own either
magic cipher
Do FGS attacks count as warp attacks for malefic momentum?
magic cipher
Ah cool, ty 👍
nocturne dust
That's true in general for force swords: only their empowered attacks are warp
actually
does their push attack count
analog agate
Me having stolen and used Agent's soulblaze build for ages:
I mean in the sense of you taking the talent because of another classes build. That also won’t guarantee you get the yellow toughness either
magic cipher
does their push attack count
Gonna try the build you posted, I like the idea of FGS with bubble
nocturne dust
I mean in the sense of you taking the talent because of another classes build. T...
ah, I see
magic cipher
Sciers is very fun but does feel exposed
magic cipher
;-;
nocturne dust
Bubble becomes a really bad crutch for newer players
magic cipher
Fiiiiine
prime elk
Sciers is very fun but does feel exposed
movement speed and sliding helps a lot with this
psyker gets a crap ton of movement speed talents
nocturne dust
movement speed not so much
prime elk
(take all of them )
prime elk
nah
nocturne dust
yah
prime elk
typical staffker L take
keen solar
Yeah
nocturne dust
Bruh
keen solar
Sliding is goated sorry
prime elk
sliding is goated yes
nocturne dust
People told me mettle was great and had good uptime
nocturne dust
Then I found it literally fails to stack consistently even when just spamming heavies
and that's with a crit blessing
nocturne dust
I would take the left build but also drop the middle +15 toughness node for crack of bone
prime elk
this is what i run
magic cipher
Awesome ty 😁
keen solar
Here
This is my FGS bubble build
https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9dd471a1-79a3-4df0-b6b8-3629775207d6/psyker-swordfighter
You basically just stack debuffs for kills and throw bubbles when you can. I personally like the extra mobility when quelling with FGS since it makes dodging feel smoother, and since lots of other Psykers bring the CD Aura I go for more crits and tdr. Double bubble ftw
magic cipher
right build is quite similar
I might have got it from you lmao
keen solar
this is what i run
I approve
turbid inlet
They run unstable power and.... shred? Idk, I think I'm slightly off
I just wish Psykers could take Psykinetic's Aura with Assail.
keen solar
I will always bring smite for utility tho
prime elk
I might have got it from you lmao
i don't think i gave you a fgs build, but i'm glad someone else had a similar idea
nocturne dust
I just wish Psykers could take Psykinetic's Aura with Assail.
You and a lot of people
prime elk
on the one hand, that would be cool, on the other hand, assail is good enough already
keen solar
The magic missiles had their time
And they're still broken if you know how to build them right
But most people don't so
I remember the days when Malice was considered the Darktide middleground, and not Damnation
And Heresy was harder than Damnation
plucky flax
You and a **lot** of people
Not me.
nocturne dust
And they're still broken if you know how to build them right
uuuuuhhh they're very blatantly meta for Gunker
prime elk
which doesnt need CDR
that too
keen solar
I still use smite on gunker
keen solar
All I'm saying is Palpatine had the right idea
We were just missing the laser sword before
keen solar
Plus I still think most people use smite wrong
prime elk
as much as palp builds is funny, taking smite with gunker isn't optimal
turbid inlet
which doesnt need CDR
I know that, but Telekine does, and I wouldn't drop that in Havoc unless someone else is already running it.
prime elk
esp for your team
keen solar
It's just a massive AOE force push/pull/chain stagger, which can be very valuable at times.
Esp with gunners in Havoc being such a threat, being able to fast smite and throw them for a quick mop up is nice.
prime elk
assail's invaluable because it helps with ammo economy
wind spruce
And they're still broken if you know how to build them right
You literally just have to pick DD
prime elk
gunker can get very ammo hungry
wind spruce
It's not exactly a mind blowing build
keen solar
assail's invaluable because it helps with ammo economy
I guess that's fair, I just run Reconlas and mostly use the GS. I use recon for specials when needed/getting the crits/speed to close the gap so I can switch to melee.
The 80 mobility juiced recon slides with all the movespeed buffs is like playing Titanfall 2 again
prime elk
oh if you're using melee a lot then it's nbd
and yeah i love using recon to proc crit talents
keen solar
For me smite is just too useful to really forego
prime elk
it's very nice
keen solar
Like if 2/4 are down and 1 teammate needs a lockdown to rez I got him
Or if there are gunners I can pull them out of cover to chop em up
magic cipher
Out of interest, how does melee psyker compare to melee zealot? People seem to slap with those relic swords
wind spruce
This is my FGS bubble build
https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9dd471a1-79...
I'd drop EE and charged strike for warprider. EE isn't good with FGS or voidblast
keen solar
Then I just like Charged Strike cuz that 10% dmg taken debuff adds up with 4 people wailing on something like a boss
nocturne dust
Out of interest, how does melee psyker compare to melee zealot? People seem to s...
Meleeker sucks compared to Zealot but at the same time FGS is significantly stronger than relic blade
almost as if Fatshark is aware meleeker sucks and chose to ignore it
nocturne dust
routinely outdamage zealots lol
Bad zealots, sure
magic cipher
I see 🤔 How would you compare a relic blade build vs a FGS build then?
keen solar
Out of interest, how does melee psyker compare to melee zealot? People seem to s...
It really depends on the player, I can outkill on a good Scriers GS, but Relic Blade is just rock solid in general as well
prime elk
Bad zealots, sure
pretty hard to do a controlled enviroment 1:1 test for this sort of thing
nocturne dust
I see 🤔 How would you compare a relic blade build vs a FGS build then?
A really good Zealot easily trounces a Meleeker with FGS until the Meleeker stops being a meleeker and pulls out the gun/assail/staff
because, surprise, meleeker is assailker is gunker
prime elk
i think it really just comes down to the skill of the of the zealot vs the skill of the bonker
magic cipher
Sadge
prime elk
It really depends on the player, I can outkill on a good Scriers GS, but Relic B...
yeah relic blade is also a quite good, do-everything weapon
much harder to play though
pure dragon
If I wanted to start playing Psyker where should I start?
nocturne dust
i think it really just comes down to the skill of the of the zealot vs the skill...
well yes, but I think at their peak, Zealot wins against a Psyker trying to be a meleeker
analog agate
It doesn’t matter in regular gameplay anyways. A good player will still mop the floor
So no sadge
magic cipher
Less sadge
keen solar
I mean
I've been playing a lot of Relic Blade and I'm getting 800k in normal damnations so
prime elk
at least that was true before FGS
me regularly top fragging with rashad bonker pre-FGS
granted it was a bit of a meme build
keen solar
me regularly top fragging with rashad bonker pre-FGS <:whatthefuck_heresy:104972...
Ngl I give up on the combat axes
prime elk
bonker is in a much better state now
keen solar
I've wanted to relive the early brutal momentum days for ages now
prime elk
Ngl I give up on the combat axes
how come? if you can handle relic blade, you can definitely handle rashad
braindead weapon
keen solar
But I can't make them work for me anymore lol
nocturne dust
me regularly top fragging with rashad bonker pre-FGS <:whatthefuck_heresy:104972...
To be fair, I regularly top randoms
prime elk
🤔
keen solar
They just feel too clunky for me tbh
nocturne dust
and I'm known as bad at damage
prime elk
i think they really need 10% attack speed, but i personally think they feel ok
keen solar
Slow w/ cleave I can handle, slow w/ no cleave not as much
prime elk
Slow w/ cleave I can handle, slow w/ no cleave not as much
you should be killing four heretics with each swing if you're doing it right
nocturne dust
I guess I can play now if you want
hearty wolf
@radiant frigate @strong gulch or any other friends?
strong gulch
<@272731082594713614> <@417891087500312576> or any other friends?
Let's do it. Need like 10 minutes.
keen solar
you should be killing four heretics with each swing if you're doing it right
That's nice, but it feels so much better to be able to cleave everything and apply the bleeds + kill however many dudes a relic blade can in a single swing.
I'm an ex Mordhau player, so Relic Blade/Force Greatsword is my cup of tea since it's just reliving my Zweiguy days in Darktide
prime elk
That's nice, but it feels so much better to be able to cleave everything and app...
i like relic blade, but pretty sure rashad has faster horde clear than relic blade
at least against bruisers and chaff
rashad does struggle against shit like ragers tbf
keen solar
i like relic blade, but pretty sure rashad has faster horde clear than relic bla...
The difference is being able to have cleave at different levels and being able to avoid hit stoppage while you chain.
So like
You got maulers mixed into a horde
If you swing at head level you get nothing but 1 hit
If you swing body though you're able to get everything
And then when the light stab goes out you can go for the head
prime elk
that's fair, but i think you should give rashad another go, especially on vet where it really shines
keen solar
So with like Punishment you can just hold off a lot of mixed elites.
prime elk
it's the strongest or potentially second strongest melee weapon on vet for very good reason
and still very good on psyker/zealot too
keen solar
that's fair, but i think you should give rashad another go, especially on vet wh...
People say it shines on Vet but it still doesn't compare to the stupidity that is the power sword lol
Coming from a vet main
analog agate
Yes it does?
prime elk
rashad is a PS that's always on
nocturne dust
Me trying to empower my PS and getting slapped a dozen times while doing so:
analog agate
You can make an argument about the 6 being just as good if you animation cancel the power up
nocturne dust
keen solar
I just say because the Power Sword can kill 5 at a time and cleave carapace so it's like
prime elk
I am actually curious
it's pretty simple, the horde clear is similar, the single target is similar
you don't need to power it
keen solar
Like the fact that 1 handed can but relic blade can'tnis silly
keen solar
it's pretty simple, the horde clear is similar, the single target is similar
I'll give it a look later then.
analog agate
You can ask path in vet chat if you want the full breakdown on why rashad is so good
keen solar
You can make an argument about the 6 being just as good if you animation cancel ...
You mean the quickflow into block?
keen solar
You can ask path in vet chat if you want the full breakdown on why rashad is so ...
I'll just look at the guide and see for myself
prime elk
i like that rashad can stagger crushers out of overheads lol
strong gulch
Also ready @hearty wolf
prime elk
the main downside of rashad vs. PS on vet is that you need to invest in melee talents
and take trench fighter
for rashad
nocturne dust
<@249951531552473088> you joinging?
si, gimme two mins
keen solar
for rashad
PS with Power Cycler and Sunder is just dumb now tho lol
nocturne dust
Now? They change something?
keen solar
Like you lose the 15% weakspot damage, gain 20% heavy damage, and then get your kill cap upped to 5 from 4
Swapping Brutal to Sunder*
prime elk
outside of havoc, without BM, PS definitely falls behind Rachad
keen solar
Mfw Powersword push attacks count as heavy attacks
prime elk
unless all you're fighting are rager hordes the entire match or something
keen solar
unless all you're fighting are rager hordes the entire match or something <:KEKW...
Being able to Cleave Crushers and Maulers at head level tho is nice
The 30% weakspot and 25% finesse nodes do put in work
keen solar
Mfw Powersword push attacks count as heavy attacks
This is misinformation btw I wish
Only Knife and Tacaxe get those honors 😭
hearty wolf
just lemme know when
magic cipher
FGS is so much fun lol, just need to get better with it
What gun do you guys use with FGS? I'm using an EK staff right now but could totally see a bolt pistol being good
hearty wolf
What gun do you guys use with FGS? I'm using an EK staff right now but could tot...
Vraks
analog agate
I use heavy laspistol 2
buoyant maple
Lemme guess the moonlight projectile applies 4 stacks of bleed
strong gulch
@hearty wolf @nocturne dust @quiet inlet
prime elk
that has to be a bug though
prime elk
i like running mk6 mostly to reliably proc crit talents / EE when needed
and for ammo econ
late sapphire
helldivers 2 is pretty fun
prime elk
and no guarantee they'll fix the bug even in feb lol
magic cipher
Rip Xbox stability
hearty wolf
helldivers 2 is pretty fun
I think it's extremely boring xd
buoyant maple
I’d rather they fix penetration of the soul not working
prime elk
I’d rather they fix penetration of the soul not working
crazy how long that has been broken
should be an easy fix
late sapphire
I think it's extremely boring xd
Idk i started off directly in max difficulty and it was certainly not boring
prime elk
i would think...
analog agate
i would think...
Pretty sure null dragon figured out the problem last week. It is just doing a quick change in a line of code
prime elk
of course
buoyant maple
Mfw Powersword push attacks count as heavy attacks
No?
late sapphire
Pretty sure null dragon figured out the problem last week. It is just doing a qu...
Yeah they just forgot the variable in the actual main damage calculation
keen solar
This is misinformation btw I wish
buoyant maple
keen solar
https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/894568981946576916.gif?size=48&name=FloppaShak...
I was manifesting since I was hoping the heavy damage bonus from Sunder applied
But I tested it a bit ago and alas it does not
deft stump
peak gaming time
That's true actually. Half asleep gaming is.... something.
bitter pelican
ah sick
split lance
Ah yes, the EK. It having 1 less blessing and they never compensated for it.
best staff
analog agate
It is a very fun staff
flint dock
I remembered someone saying they could bring the old Surge staff back as an alternative mark
Maybe not really like that but more chained targets and less damage
deft stump
best staff
Very fun staff, but likely to turn you into a grenade.
deft stump
Maybe not really like that but more chained targets and less damage
When mini smite but actually damage.
sand sigil
Sienna’s conflag staff so I can shit out vfx all over my party members screen
And beam staff
Miss my beam staff
deft stump
You want to kill consoles, I guess.
deft stump
I play on PC, just with a controller due to no table space.
Unless you really want to watch me tunnelvision to the point of sniper scope lvls.
9 slides to the left/right to spin 1 round.
flint dock
Just watched a 2022 beta test video and whenever the Psyker used the surge staff there was a ghost whispering sound
deft stump
And my mouse sits on 1.2k dpi.
flint dock
Was that a thing in earlier versions of the game
deft stump
I think that's just high peril whispers.
deft stump
Dunno. I just know you get whispers then, other than the loud booms.
flint dock
Checked it again, it was peril warning indeed
nocturne dust
@hearty wolf
strong gulch
@hearty wolf
nocturne dust
hearty wolf
Join us next week to relearn all the same lessons we already know
nocturne dust
It's how we keep the game from getting too easy
hearty wolf
Actually true
strong gulch
Memory problems for the win.
Also, I kept looking for a mini map... there has never been a mini map.
hearty wolf
Dear god LMAO
deft stump
Also, I kept looking for a mini map... there has never been a mini map. <:Sitgry...
When minimap so I can glance where my team is as I'm lost and panicking?
strong gulch
When minimap so I can glance where my team is as I'm lost and panicking?
Right? lmao
deft stump
I can read it better that weird tiny arrows at times that don't even give info.
mental grail
I think that's just high peril whispers.
I gotta extract that sound file
I want to know what they're saying
wind spruce
A Gun that shoots assails
So... my hands but more work?
This is like segs all over again
chrome sail
Now you can use your hands for something else
Like exploding heads
Or shadow puppets
deft stump
A Gun that shoots assails
So more assails? Or I can hedpop with assail now?
nocturne dust
wdym, assail has headpop
You throw it at a guy and their head literally gets shredded off with the glowy neck
radiant frigate
A Gun that shoots assails
nocturne dust
radiant frigate
purple assail autopistol
gloomy magnet
assail flavor Lollipop
deft stump
wdym, assail has headpop
Yes, but flayer and psykinetic on 'Assail'.
Since we are talking a theoretical assail gun.
maiden oracle
What the horde clear combo on the obscurus force sword
I was told to do something like push light light heavy light but it looks like there’s a lot of overhead attacks in that
cold geode
I was told to do something like push light light heavy light but it looks like t...
First section they talk about the horde clear loop
cold geode
Aye
maiden oracle
Got it
sullen whale
Just lost a whole mission to the game giving a SINGLE input error, FGS special didn't come out when I told it to so it made me peril boom
So lame
yea lemme block cancel from now on, sounds great
🙄
probably woulda been too slow anyway
radiant frigate
yippie
zinc wedge
How the hell do you use the voidstrike staff
Do you just keep spamming orbital death or wizard that shit
radiant frigate
charge up and point it at things whose existence disagrees with your own
plucky flax
Voidstrike in 2025 
nocturne dust
Voidstrike in 2025 <:Kek:846442276833591326>
Strongest 🅱️istol User:
Weakest Voidstrike User:
zinc wedge
charge up and point it at things whose existence disagrees with your own
Good enough
cold geode
Put your psyker balls in their face. With prejudice.
wheat seal
just try the 3rd person perspectives in darktide, horrible
radiant frigate
vile
cold geode
just try the 3rd person perspectives in darktide, horrible
Tried it earlier today as well.
weary crane
Wacky ahhh
Ready to take a crusher overhead
I wonder how long i can hold off reaper with that
wheat seal
trying to get inferno staff with quell speed at 60% since 4 days.. I'm poor asf
upper sun
SCAB MELEE IS UP
autumn lark
SCAB MELEE IS UP
Normal board noob
marble crater
trying to get inferno staff with quell speed at 60% since 4 days.. I'm poor asf
Why do you want quell speed at 60?
fathom fulcrum
real quick, guys, does a lvl 410 +3 stamina curio give 3 staminas?
i saw that it has to be 410 but idk if 410 counts
ty in advance
upper sun
Normal board noob
farming ogryn penances
spent a solid 3 minutes grinding a mixed hoard of crushers, bulwarks and other armor to save the one dude with kraks so we could kill a bonbon
marble crater
real quick, guys, does a lvl 410 +3 stamina curio give 3 staminas?
i saw that it...
410 counts, under 410 doesn't give +3
deft stump
real quick, guys, does a lvl 410 +3 stamina curio give 3 staminas?
i saw that it...
410 is usually +3. 400 and below are basically fakes. They will show as 3 in the psykhanium but are just +2 in real matches.
plucky flax
Fake news
summer prairie
What's fake news
wheat seal
Why do you want quell speed at 60?
bc I'm following the guide lol
strange jewel
Blessings for electro staff?
upper sun
38 minute riser bros.............
wheat seal
inferno
upper sun
bc I'm following the guide lol
the never quell build?
deft stump
Do we all lynch that guide with pitchforks?
jovial juniper
Blessings for electro staff?
Nexus Flurry
deft stump
Unless it's telling you to DS4.
jovial juniper
Or Nexus Surge
deft stump
And passive quell.
jovial juniper
If you go lmbing
marble crater
bc I'm following the guide lol
Okay, you can also dump warp res, quell speed good
cold ivy
wait, is inferno flurry + blaze or nexus + blaze? i always assumed it was nexus because crits apply 2 stacks
strange jewel
Ah then ye been using that one
wheat seal
the never quell build?
wdym
strange jewel
How effective is trasnfer peril btw?
jovial juniper
wait, is inferno flurry + blaze or nexus + blaze? i always assumed it was nexus ...
Nexus Blaze
cold ivy
ok cool, good to know i havent been griefing my teams
upper sun
jovial juniper
The alternative is Blaze Penetrating Flames
upper sun
why is flurry recommended?
deft stump
<:staregryn:1022085083844325376> why is flurry recommended?
On ek, I thought was normal?
strange jewel
I dont use flurry on inferno tho
deft stump
If you altfire mostly?
strange jewel
For electro it feels nice, but this staff make a fck ton of peril
cold ivy
i should try blaze + penetrating flames in psykhanium, idk if it'll help kill crushers
upper sun
On ek, I thought was normal?
not for purge its not
deft stump
not for purge its not
I guess someone misses the flamer.
The crits use ammo from pool instead of clip thing.
summer prairie
2 ogryns + me pus-hardened havoc with no bubble trauma build was kind of hard
they were very good though
formal harness
2 ogryns + me pus-hardened havoc with no bubble trauma build was kind of hard
sup, that was me and kej
we got unlucky with the chaos spawn, we would've been fine otherwise
ggs
summer prairie
yes, my build was very bad for a three man
radiant frigate
i hold W because i don't taje Ls
marble crater
Advance from one bubble to the next with the occasional chorus to move between sections
radiant frigate
😤
radiant frigate
Advance from one bubble to the next with the occasional chorus to move between s...
extremely engaging
marble crater
Indeed
marble crater
I like the modifiers, I enjoy the higher amount of teamplay required. I don't like most of the things around it though, including the overturned shooters that basically force you to play like that
cold ivy
question: what does cranial parasite actually do
upper sun
like bombers being able to throw grenades while moving
queen fog
question: what does cranial parasite actually do
Shoot enemy head they blow up like barrel
cold ivy
oh... like, with damage and everything? i have noticed knockback
zinc phoenix
It’s the “time to get ledged” modifier
queen fog
Bigger the enemy bigger the explosion
zinc phoenix
No damage, it’s all yeeting
cold ivy
ah ok, thanks
zinc phoenix
I'm still not sure how havoc is intended to be played
You don’t have to play slow or in bubbles, you just have to move as a group and use cover
deft stump
Is like, every mook is a poxburster now.
radiant frigate
cranial corruption is a strictly beneficial modifier
zinc phoenix
It’s not until the high 30s that shooters are enough of a menace to really pervert play
deft stump
Since everyone has shoot hed reflexes.
zinc phoenix
Is like, every mook is a poxburster now.
No because most people can’t aim
deft stump
But otherwise, does nothing if no vet with gun.
weary crane
Is soulblaze shriek still better than damage even if I have no soulblaze synergy?
cold ivy
how do you deal with shooters in high 30s? just use ammo to kill them with guns? i hear ammo gets really scarce with high havoc but have only reached 25
radiant frigate
Yes
upper sun
how do you deal with shooters in high 30s? just use ammo to kill them with guns?...
bubble
deft stump
No because most people can’t aim
Excuse me, I at least have a 50% hed hit rate.
radiant frigate
how do you deal with shooters in high 30s? just use ammo to kill them with guns?...
shoot in the noggin or tank with bubble or voc or chorus
also, suppression
deft stump
Ppl can't be worse than that.
cold ivy
if im ever in a double psyker team i will run surge electrokinetic to kill shooters
but usually im the sole psyker and gotta run inferno
deft stump
how do you deal with shooters in high 30s? just use ammo to kill them with guns?...
It's already bad in 26 lul.
radiant frigate
sole psyker is annoying because now i can't do funny sword things
and I'm expected to backline and spam bubble
queen fog
I never get accepted with my psyker into havoc, only my preacher’s gotten accepted so far
deft stump
I would smyker, but I'm so bad at the game Zealot is still best bet.
radiant frigate
lower havocs (20s) i have just played cleanse book zealot
because if i didn't then we slowly die to corruption
zinc phoenix
how do you deal with shooters in high 30s? just use ammo to kill them with guns?...
You generally move to the most covered spot and try to get them to come to you. Can also suppress with staff balls. Generally tho people at that level are good enough to just go kill them
deft stump
I never get accepted with my psyker into havoc, only my preacher’s gotten accept...
More or less unless is 1-5. But those are whatever goes.
zinc phoenix
Also pretty common to bring survivalist vet + people have reasonable fire discipline so ammo isn’t generally a big deal
marble crater
Taunt the shooters with ogryn shield
radiant frigate
reasonable fire discipline?? inconceivable
deft stump
If I pull out my flamer, there is way too much shit going on.
zinc phoenix
reasonable fire discipline?? inconceivable
Yeah it turns out when you make not playing like a mong a key part of progression you get better play 😂
radiant frigate
although i can imagine a dedicated helbore vet could do a number on havocs too
zinc phoenix
Yep, he fed us all ammo and cleaned house
If you get a reaper pack spawn in a bad spot in h40 it’s run ending if you don’t have a counter to them
The standard shooters are all manageable with the usual move tech and gunners you just have to play careful around
radiant frigate
with the quell reduction i imagine it is a better ranged choice than psyker
zinc phoenix
But if you turn a corner into a reaper who is already shooting and he lights you up you’re done 😂
radiant frigate
since helbore is just unaffected