psyker-class

[buoyant maple]

Man do I rly gotta swap out unstable power for this test

[nocturne dust]

ran deflector for testing instead of shred tho

[buoyant maple]

I’m getting somewhere between 1930~2000 carapace dps (3 hits to kill, push excluded as it only lengthens the registered “time to kill”) with mk8’s PA follow stab + heavy (2) combo

If starting at 0% peril with absolutely no buffs whatsoever then it’s quite slow

The only buffs that should apply are warp rider and unstable power (and +25% vs carapace)

[nocturne dust]

o that's true I was using a full build with warp rider in testing

maybe that's why my mk8 numbers were changing

[buoyant maple]

Mk6 is 2~3 hits to kill crusher (2 only if H2 crit weakspot)

I’m purposefully excluding mk8’s PA 1 damage here because that extends the registered time to kill and I think for an attack that’s solely used to stagger, it’s unjust to consider its TTK drastically higher because of that

[plucky flax]

Mk6 feels nicer for me

[nocturne dust]

I don't think it's unjust if it's part of the combo

[analog agate]

⬆️

[buoyant maple]

Then the question is, do we consider a forced heavy stagger more valuable than DPS

[nocturne dust]

Like, if you had an attack that did 10 billion damage but was locked behind 10 attacks that only do 1 damage, you'd count the 10 attacks

[clear heath]

This isn't fair either imo
You have to push attack to get the thrust out. If you want to kill a 2nd crusher, you'd be doing it regardless of if you want the stagger or not.
The push attack is relevant as a time cost if we're counting how fast you can kill multiple crushers. And realistically there is going to be more than 1 enemy

[buoyant maple]

Ok so give me a set of variables to work with

4 crusher melee only?

What buffs

Because for some reason this sword can’t maintain peril on its own and I have to use other things to keep peril

[deft stump]

Don't stroking it once drop like 40% peril on you?

[clear heath]

I don't really care as long as it's equal. I don't have a foot in this race anyways. I never considered them that different.
I just think it's stupid to disregard prep time of the combo because it's a real opportunity cost

[deft stump]

I know early on it slaps me for over 51%, but no warp resist.

[wind spruce]

I'd say that most of the time, no, I wouldn't consider it particularly useful. Single target CC in a game where the pressure points come from multiple (not just 2 or 3, but 10+) enemies is not something you want significantly impacting your dps rotation.

[buoyant maple]

I also just checked for mk8’s non-PA overhead loop

It’s 3 hits to kill at max peril without buffs other than warp rider & unstable power

Crits don’t impact it much I think

This is without SG / DD / malefic

With SG / DD / Malefic + crits it could potentially drop down to 2 hit kill with crits

[clear heath]

The whole breakpoint test is irellevant for my usecase anyways cause i run DD and malefic and I have inconsistent buff upkeep in havoc anyways

[buoyant maple]

Or at least the 3 hit would be much more doable (without literally 100% peril)

[buoyant maple]

Havoc breakpoints are simple because we already know enemy health numbers

[wind spruce]

Breakpoints against ogryns are a fools game with right side psyker

[buoyant maple]

Crusher is 5400 carapace

[clear heath]

yeah but we don't know my own damage

because my buffs jump around

I don't have 15 stack up 100% of the time

i drop malefic sometimes

[buoyant maple]

Let me just do malefic

Full malefic, no DD, no SG

[clear heath]

And teammates will hit things before the crusher pack dies because thats just how havoc is

[wind spruce]

Exactly, there's like 6 variable buffs

[buoyant maple]

I know

[clear heath]

a vet will throw a couple shredders

a psyker might hit with rending voidblast

[buoyant maple]

If I test it and get smth like “200 damage off from lowering 1 hit to kill”

Then we can say ok yea teammates’ help prob can lower this to X-1 hits to kill

But if I test it and get smth like 800 damage off from lowering hits to kill by 1, I’m counting that without the -1 sometimes

[clear heath]

I predict you'll find it's similar enough. Good luck with the testing

[maiden oracle]

What’s the purpose of each of the 3 blaze sword marks

I only ran Deimos so far

[fathom adder]

Illisi is horde clear, Deimos is single target, Obscurus used to be the only one

[buoyant maple]

Mk8 overhead heavy loop 4 hits to kill at max malefic and high (>90%) peril

It’s a little over 1350 damage per hit therefore it’s most likely going to stay at 4 hits to kill

[fathom adder]

Obscurus was the worst of both worlds for a long time, don't know if this last update changed anything

[upper galleon]

Illisi horde clear, deimos single target (H2 is ridic), i’m guessing obscurus is the more rounded one, and should be okay now that it has actual combos

[upper galleon]

Tbh prob not a lot but it should be good enough to use for auric damn

[deft stump]

Illisi is stroke slash everything from what I know.

[plucky flax]

Illusy

[upper galleon]

It’s moveset just used to be unplayable since you couldn’t do a straight single target or horde clear combo

[brisk lance]

Hey guys, I haven't played Psyker in almost two years but I want to try out the Blaze Great Sword. How exactly does it work, which mark (is there more than one mark?) is the best, and how do I build it?

[fathom adder]

They're still arguing over which mark is the best

[deft stump]

Build charges by killing small fry, stroke it and BOOM.

[brisk lance]

How do I build it?

[analog agate]

Also… unknown lol

I mean we can tell you something . But the best way hasn’t been decided

[maiden oracle]

dump warp res though

[wind spruce]

Just a note that you do not technically build charge by killing things. It builds by you damaging it with melee and then it dying within 1s.

[analog agate]

I personally run mk8 with unstable and riposte. Cara and unyielding for perks

[deft stump]

If you ask me, the stupid tank DH works better with it than Illisi.

[wind spruce]

Ie, teammates killing stuff counts if you hit it

[maiden oracle]

i think i ran riposte precog flak cara

[wind spruce]

Riposte wrath is based. You can damage 11 bruisers in one light swing with wrath + warp splitting or 3 with neither.

[plucky flax]

Run what you want my fren. Both variants good. It's really strong with dd so might as well go unyielding carapace for perks. For blessings just go for what you like I do riposte shred for max crits

[analog agate]

I just haven’t been able to tell a difference with wrath if I have the cleave node. This is on aurics

Things kinda die too quickly lol

[wind spruce]

It goes from ~6 to double that on bruisers (damage cap is 11, but you stagger the 12th)

[upper galleon]

Yea wrath is prob best without cleave node or in higher havocs

[wind spruce]

Mainly useful in higher havocs

It also means you get insane charge when you're killing a horde at the same time as someone else

[plucky flax]

I am noob but I can do good damage with this build
https://youtu.be/DmuEgEBHzrY

[wind spruce]

Imagine if you weren't bottom 1% psyker

[plucky flax]

I'm hard stuck being noob since I don't run stam curios

Only really pro guys do it

[deft stump]

If he's bottom 1%, then what does it make the avg psyker?

[wind spruce]

50%

I'm good at math

[deft stump]

But they are worse?

[wind spruce]

That's the joke Queen

[plucky flax]

[deft stump]

I don't 'see' jokes. It's basically it.

[wind spruce]

Understandable

[plucky flax]

Humour is hard don't worry about it.

[analog agate]

Has anyone experienced getting true survivor with deaths but not downs?

[wind spruce]

No but I was wondering about this yesterday

[plucky flax]

Someone said it works that way if you skip down state

[analog agate]

It seems to be a thing, haha. Just did a 40 an hour ago. 2 guys died. They still got it

[wind spruce]

Ok easy clap then. Everyone stand in green sludge until they are at one wound

[deft stump]

Ppl say if you instagib completely.

[analog agate]

I just wasn’t sure if it was a really weird glitch or has happened to others

[radiant ice]

True Survivor has allowances for “Rescues”

So if you are dogged, knocked off an edge, trapped etc. you still get it without going down

It seems this can be exploited as it only checks for a down specifically

[verbal thistle]

you still get it even when you have people die

[radiant ice]

So insta gibbs, knocked off edges, anything like that that doesn’t have a down phase works

I think a death that would be a down if you had less corruption is still a fail

So you can’t just corrupt yourself at the start of a run to guarantee a death not down

I think

Maybe worth testing xD

[deft stump]

So run martyrdom 2 wounds left but no actual hp.

Get overheaded, blown up.

By that, I mean style. Zealots tank too much bs.

[radiant ice]

Or just do it normally cause it’s not that hard xD

So long as you have a decent team and don’t use Party Finder

And I mean, you can’t party finder if you’re coordinating all those workarounds anyway

[buoyant maple]

@clear heath I did numbers

[zinc phoenix]

I’ve had multiple ts qualifying runs with party finder to grab randos… but I also did do my build Hitler thing to ensure we had a solid well rounded group that could guarantee a win.

[celest valve]

apparently the slash is 30 meters long, travels the length in 0.75 seconds

[buoyant maple]

Mk8 (PA stagger combo)
1431 DPS (PA + follow + H2 + H3 + H2)
1967 DPS (PA + follow + H2 + H3, PA follow needs crit, or teammate damage)

Mk8 (H2 + H3 loop)
1389 DPS (H2 + H3 + H2 + H3 + H2)
1888 DPS (H2 + H3 + H2 + H3, needs 1 crit, or teammate damage)

Mk6 (H1 + H2 loop)
1782 DPS (H1 + H2 + H1 + H2)
If PA is needed to interrupt overhead, 1286 DPS (PA + H1 + H2 + H1 + H2)

This is with respect to havoc’s crusher health

[radiant ice]

Oh I’ve got it like 5 or 6 times over in Party Finder without that, I don’t care what other people use. I use weird builds myself

[zinc phoenix]

Well nice! I find if I don’t host I usually land team goober

[radiant ice]

But if you’re gunning for True Survivor and struggling, the first advice I give is try lfg instead of pf xD

[zinc phoenix]

Fair

[radiant ice]

Twice now the other three I’ve found in pf got True Survivor on a 40

[zinc phoenix]

Idk why but people don’t seem to look at what others are running and think “hmm we’re missing good dps vs reaper at range” they just seem to see book, bop, bubble and thumbs up

[radiant ice]

And I feel like a proud parent on the sideline

[analog agate]

Cause until now it hasn’t mattered

[fathom adder]

You see people in party finder?

[radiant ice]

I just ask

“Hey we need a CC and an elite assassin to complete this group, what’re you running Zealot?”

In text chat really helps

[zinc phoenix]

I absolutely loathe voice chat with randoms and keep it off

[radiant ice]

Text

XD

[zinc phoenix]

Text is best

Indeed it is true

[analog agate]

My vc has been glitched for half a year haha. No VC for me

[radiant ice]

I also removed my Scoreboard mod, it was making me into the type of player I hate

I know when I’m doing well, I don’t need to judge my teammates as lesser than me to feel good xD

So that mod, and the one to view others builds in party finder is a hard pass for me

The only people I will be toxic towards are quitters xD

[zinc phoenix]

I inspect builds in morninstar for the mid 20s when I’m jumping into a random group. Ive seen some shit…

[radiant ice]

And they can’t even see me being toxic cause they’re a dirty coward

[zinc phoenix]

But like I assume that at high havoc you know how to build your class and it’s about asking for particular problems to be solved rather than providing solutions

[radiant ice]

I mean, I’ve ran some wild builds and done well with them in high havoc

[zinc phoenix]

No I mean stuff that is objectively wrong

[celest valve]

hmm

[zinc phoenix]

Like a zealot with no keystone and all the traits at the top of the tree

[celest valve]

2h force greatsword vents slower

sus

[radiant ice]

Lmao, that’s great

Then again, that can go 2 ways

[zinc phoenix]

It was hilarious but he was going down every five seconds

[radiant ice]

That guy is either the worst player you’ve ever seen, or the most cracked

There is no in between

[strong gulch]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9dba7173-f64c-4b4f-9213-94268e99e856/no-keystone-fire-sword-now-with-crit-chance-its-bad-but-play-it-anyways?utm_medium=website&utm_source=gameslantern&utm_campaign=share_button

[zinc phoenix]

Yep and he sure wasn’t number 2 😂

[radiant ice]

That is bafflingly bad, but could easily be made good

[strong gulch]

It's perfect tho

So delightfully bad.

[radiant ice]

Jfc

I forgot how bad Gameslantern was without an Adblocker

https://tenor.com/view/lilo-and-stitch-disney-lilo-stitch-hiss-gif-3562813

[wicked hornet]

what would a FGS build look like with scriers gaze? also what would be a good weapon to pair with?

[potent echo]

Bistol/revolver

[wicked hornet]

I also never use assail. Just my build feels like ass

[potent echo]

Although my build uses creeping

[nocturne dust]

I use Vraks

[wicked hornet]

I want to use assail

[potent echo]

Vraks gaze is the classic

[nocturne dust]

Oh, then i have just the build

My build is literally assail/fgs with a side of scrier's and vraks for bosses

[wicked hornet]

what's vraks gaze?

[celest valve]

how do you use a knife to sprint faster with the attacks again

[wicked hornet]

nvm

[gleaming dirge]

Heavy attack

[wicked hornet]

I remember it's a gun

lol

[nocturne dust]

One free point to spend anywhere you like

[wicked hornet]

oh nice

ty

would recon lasgun be okay

[celest valve]

just any heavy or

[wicked hornet]

I've never used the vraks

[nocturne dust]

Recon would be fine but just a worse Vraks for the build

[wicked hornet]

yeah I just heavy attack wit hknife to move around

move fast and you feel a good flow\

[nocturne dust]

I basically only use Vraks to ammo dump into bosses

[wicked hornet]

okay

[nocturne dust]

and Vraks does a lot more DPS than even Infernus Recon for that

[wicked hornet]

mastery and time to use new gun. sweet

what blessings and perks for it

[nocturne dust]

For wat

[wicked hornet]

vraks

[gleaming dirge]

I prefer this for gun

I use it with recon

[nocturne dust]

I use flak and unyielding + dumdum and deathspitter

[celest valve]

also i think if you shoot an automatic autogun in short bursts of 0.4 seconds each you might could run faster

ah hmmm light attacks break sprint, heavy do not

[wicked hornet]

Vraks is a mark for the infantry autogun?

[gleaming dirge]

Is now called Columnus mk5

It’s got more recoil than the recon lasgun and smaller clip that’s why I prefer recon for gun psyker

It’s still a top tier weapon though

[dull gyro]

i spent almost 2m on this

shame quell and cloud arent swapped tho

[nocturne dust]

Yes

[nocturne dust]

Actually it's the columnus -> vraks and vraks -> columnus

I'm talking about the current Vraks, which was the old Columnus

[gleaming dirge]

Oh shit yeah my bad smooth brain

I had retconned it in my head cannon

[strong gulch]

No. Blame fatshark.

[nocturne dust]

Thanks Fatshark for the names.

[wicked hornet]

https://tenor.com/view/bookio-gif-13932157847762104386

was me

[nocturne dust]

I love my Voidblast Voidstrike Voidblaze Voidzap

Can't wait for Voidbeam

[gleaming dirge]

When I first started playing psyker I was checking all the weapons like wtf is a trauma staff

[celest valve]

he

[gleaming dirge]

Is Ophelia a generic name or did you put it in? Iv played some games with an Ophelia psyker in OCE servers

[nocturne dust]

https://tenor.com/view/zelda-master-sword-zelda-sword-gif-20035875

[celest valve]

generic

why is there like rare animations for basically literally everything knife has

there's a rare inspection animation, there's a rare return to normal animation after attacking, there's a rare wield animation

[wind spruce]

Good joke

[gleaming dirge]

With the inspect button you can rub a relic sword like you are edging it

[nocturne dust]

Recon just doesn't have the dps of Vraks and that's a fact 🤷‍♂️

[wind spruce]

Good thing it exceeds it in literally every other category

[gleaming dirge]

Bigger clip size and better stability

[nocturne dust]

and the build literally only uses the gun to ammo-dump into bosses, which is why I said for the build

[plucky flax]

Bb with gun?

[wind spruce]

Playstyle, not build.

It's just a standard gunker build.

[nocturne dust]

I mean technically the talents allow quite a number of playstyles sure

🤷‍♂️

[wind spruce]

Is good fun

[nocturne dust]

but to me builds and playstyles are tied together. You create builds around playstyles, they're pretty intertwined.

[plucky flax]

I don't want to steal too much ammo without assails

[wind spruce]

You don't need to, you can cook everything with very little ammo if you rely on burn, and then you just lean into buffed melee

[strong gulch]

Melee training. 😭

[plucky flax]

Assails spamming is funny though

[wind spruce]

It's true

[plucky flax]

Remind me of my sus melee only build

Don't try it at home

[wind spruce]

Melee only is based

[strong gulch]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9dba7173-f64c-4b4f-9213-94268e99e856/no-keystone-fire-sword-now-with-crit-chance-its-bad-but-play-it-anyways?utm_medium=website&utm_source=gameslantern&utm_campaign=share_button

[plucky flax]

It's fun playing melee scab only using only melee. But in pub there's always a boring smite psyker

[nocturne dust]

Gunkers said I'm not allowed to have melee only

[strong gulch]

If there's a chance to post my terrible build I will.

[nocturne dust]

[wicked hornet]

so is assail bad?

[plucky flax]

No with dd it's really strong

[nocturne dust]

Brainburst is the bad one

[dull gyro]

game is laughing at me, im trying for the same stat staff but inferno and i see this shit in armory

spent 2 mil already

fml

[nocturne dust]

Voidstrike's dump is blast radius

[wicked hornet]

yeah I get confused and don't know what to believe in this game. I hear brainburst is bad or someone else says it's the best. Or I have ppl who leave a match and tell me L smite or flame me for using smite but I'll see someone post how it's the best and get 1 million damage and I can only get 500k. so I feel I suck. I'm just trying to improve

[nocturne dust]

over-dumping warp res on staves is generally a bad idea

[nocturne dust]

There's a lot of misinformation, but about smite specifically, it's effective but is seen as extremely boring so most people are annoyed if you run it.

because it permanently stuns everything but bosses

[wicked hornet]

I find it boring once I broke away from it and started using other stuff.

[dull gyro]

im just talkin about stats

[wicked hornet]

so far my favorite build is the recon lasgun with scriers. never thought I would use a gun on psyker

Havoc is what got me to want to get better at the game and try new things. I can't get passed 25. Just don't know what to bring in havoc besides purg with bubble.

I also don't like that build.

[nocturne dust]

Havoc is mainly about knowing how to play safely and back up

You can bring any build if you take your time

[wicked hornet]

yeah I started to work on positing a lot more and have clutched a few times around 25. I also been watching good players and learning.

Just I get lots of bad teams but I hate saying that bc I never like to blame my team. I want to start a prog group or a duo or something but have no idea how to go about finding people or what to go by.

[dapper shadow]

party finder is empty whenever I try to find one for havoc

[wicked hornet]

do you have tags?

[dapper shadow]

just the havoc tag

[wicked hornet]

gotcha

yeah sometimes mine is like that but I'll post and i'll have like 7 pending join request

[nocturne dust]

Just ask in here.

[wicked hornet]

how far have you made it through Havoc

[dapper shadow]

26 atm but ive only played like 3 havocs so far

[nocturne dust]

People are generally up to join if you do, but it can be hit or miss.

[dapper shadow]

can probably run most class builds except zealot

do enjoy psyker and ogryn most though

[wicked hornet]

nice 1 above me lol

[wicked hornet]

yeah I've been thinking about it.

[dapper shadow]

oop finally got a party

[wicked hornet]

glhf

[wind spruce]

I've made friends i can hit up to play with just by adding randoms I vibed with and going from there

[nocturne dust]

(people are desperate for assists anyway )

[wicked hornet]

I've actually started talking in game chat lately.

[split lance]

Fr

[wicked hornet]

been fun

[wicked hornet]

yeah and that's true.

[wind spruce]

That's the way to do it lol

[wicked hornet]

I got my armor so I don't really care if I host

[wicked hornet]

I started to use the VC bc I got alex jones ogryin in my match. it was hilarious.

[nocturne dust]

but talking scawy

https://tenor.com/view/raiden-shogun-ei-genshin-impact-genshin-kawaii-anime-girl-gif-23576097

[wicked hornet]

yeah it can be but ppl in this game seem to be chill in VC

but only been doing it for a few days

sure I'll run into a heratic soon enough

Havoc topic. is the surge staff bad for it or any build with it. It just doesn't do much to enemy's with the tough skin.

[plucky flax]

Voice chat scary

[wind spruce]

Voice chat is more fun than fury in my experience

[plucky flax]

Don't play surge into pus skin

[nocturne dust]

The ranged modifier does make it suck

[plucky flax]

But otherwise its good as a dps role

[wind spruce]

But maybe Aussies are just more chill than every other country idk

[wicked hornet]

yeah every time I bring surge I have a bad time.

I just do dooky damage with burga. I love the stagger though. I also started to use trauma and it was interesting...

I'm all over the place with builds with Havoc

[nocturne dust]

How are you using Inferno to be doing bad damage with it?

You have blaze away on it, right?

[wicked hornet]

yes

I'm never top DPS when I use it

I also have warp nexus on it

I do more damage with any other weapon. I think I spam left click too much maybe

trying to stagger elites and hordes for my team

I always pair it with dueling sword for boss and crushers.

[brisk lance]

Trinkets on Psyker?

[nocturne dust]

That would be an issue

RMB staggers too once you have Blaze Away stacks up

and is your main damage source

You generally don't ever want to use lmb unless you are in actual immediate danger and don't have any dodges

[vagrant frigate]

lmb is phenomenal on purg staff

if you know R or Shift tech

[nocturne dust]

Quell cancelling stupid

[vagrant frigate]

it has some of the most stagger in the game

[deft stump]

Is ridiculous. Just annoying to do without macros.

[vagrant frigate]

its super easy on purg staff

the other staves are harder

[nocturne dust]

But yes, you can also quell cancel if you really do want to just spam lmb. I don't bother though, and I honestly would like to see quell cancelling deleted from the game.

[deft stump]

Less aim required.

[brisk lance]

So like, do I want Tough... Health... a Stam trinket?

[nocturne dust]

Depends on where you're at and what you want to do.

The common recommendation is enough health to reach 201 (which is 1 health curio and 1 health substat) and then investing the rest in toughness or stamina, but curios are often deeply personal and based on your playstyle.

[wicked hornet]

tech like a animation cancel?

[nocturne dust]

And of course there was a whole conversation earlier about health being bad (or not being bad) so it's 🤷‍♂️

[vagrant frigate]

yeah

[brisk lance]

Okay, so I should take the triple Ordo Dockets Rewards off.

[deft stump]

I thought the cdrs are technically core on everyone?

[brisk lance]

Actually wait.

What should the perks be then?

CDR on everything? Tough on everything? Gunners on everything?

[vagrant frigate]

Toughness
Ability CDR
Stamina Regen

Take 1 gunner instead of stamina if you want

but gunners arent a threat to psyker

[nocturne dust]

On curios? Eeeeehhhh

[deft stump]

Just hold block jokes, then die to shotgun.

[vagrant frigate]

its very forgiving

[nocturne dust]

I mean they're the only damage-adjacent stat

[vagrant frigate]

Yes, ability cooldown reduction on curio is the best in the game

[nocturne dust]

but curio substats are far more 'valuable' if you need defense. You can definitely get rid of CDR on curios if you need to.

[vagrant frigate]

no. do not get rid of cool down reductio

just like vermintide, your ability cooldown is the most important part of your kit

[nocturne dust]

It's 3.6 seconds my guy

[vagrant frigate]

its 20+ more uses per game

[deft stump]

Can mean life or death though.

[vagrant frigate]

this is why you run seers presence and psykinetics aura

[deft stump]

Depends on what you pick.

[nocturne dust]

So can running the other stats if you need them 🤷‍♂️

[vagrant frigate]

no they dont

[nocturne dust]

I mean if you're taking sniper shots to the face all the time

[vagrant frigate]

the value of ability cooldown reduction is unmatched

[nocturne dust]

sniper res is going to help

[vagrant frigate]

then learn to slide...

taking a sniper shot to the face isnt optimal gameplay

[nocturne dust]

Sure, taking damage isn't optimal.

[vagrant frigate]

its not even decent gameplay

oh my god i cant with you

[deft stump]

Or drop bubble I guess?

[vagrant frigate]

"taking damage"

its getting shot by a sniper, a special...

the goal is to get better at dodgin specials

not to just run perks to deal with getting hit by them

youre spreading disinformation

[gleaming dirge]

Yeah. Bb with gun purely for sniping elites before a drop down to save ammo. I don’t ever use blitz if I’m running gun psyker BB is just a path to get psykenetics aura

[nocturne dust]

Bro, look, 12% CDR is not a huge amount. Helpful yes, but if your goal is to finish missions and not 'be the fast 1%' it's whatever.

[vagrant frigate]

ITS MASSIVE

[vagrant frigate]

cdr has LESS use in quick missions

the longer it goes on the MORE useful it gets

Sniper reisst does NOTHING until a sniper shoots you

CDR, toughness, and stamina help you EVERY SECOND of the game

12 is MASSIVE

THATS A HUGE NUMBER

[brisk lance]

Mom, Dad, stop fighting.

[nocturne dust]

🤷‍♂️ See, this is why we have different philosophies. You're overvaluing the fact it helps 'every second of the game'.

[vagrant frigate]

no i am not.

tell me how sniper resist is better than 12% more ultimates

[nocturne dust]

Anti-boss stuff doesn't help 'every second of the game' but it's still good to have it.

[vagrant frigate]

your kit should be well rounded

and this is a curio

[nocturne dust]

Tell me how 3.6 seconds off a cooldown is going to save your life

[vagrant frigate]

I already explained

[wind spruce]

Hahahah what. No.

[vagrant frigate]

you just ignore everything people say

[vagrant frigate]

brother

the more time passes the more the timer on your cooldown ticks

[wind spruce]

Good joke

[vagrant frigate]

its literally logical

like it makes sense in every way

possible

[wind spruce]

It's equally helpful across the mission

It does not get better with longer missions

Wtf

[vagrant frigate]

yes and hes saying

that its only good if youre speedrunning

[deft stump]

Emergency vent situations, I assume.

[vagrant frigate]

vent more, go invis more, charge more, SHOUT more, BOOK more

these things are the bread and butter of your build

why would you want to use them less

[wind spruce]

Then you're both wrong

[vagrant frigate]

Hes saying that bro

[deft stump]

Having better bubble uptime is also nice.

[nocturne dust]

That is not what I said btw

[vagrant frigate]

I said it gets value every second of the game

[vagrant frigate]

dude

you have to be a troll

you just make shit up

and then stick with it

you dont even explain why anything is good

you just say "no"

[nocturne dust]

I said CDR is only super valuable if you want to push times. If you take your time, often you won't be using your ability off cooldown because there's nothing around.

[vagrant frigate]

"no use sniper res"

[gleaming dirge]

you can play without CDR. Likewise you can play without sniper resist

[nocturne dust]

I didn't say use sniper res

[vagrant frigate]

oh my god i cant

[nocturne dust]

Sniper res was an example

[vagrant frigate]

this is absurd

[nocturne dust]

You're just shoveling words into my mouth man

[nocturne dust]

dis is what I said

[deft stump]

I guess the best way is just, use whatever you want, but there's a tier list on what is generally better.

[nocturne dust]

and also this

[nocturne dust]

Si

[gleaming dirge]

This. You can clear auric damnation and havoc 40 with ordo dockets if you wanted

[nocturne dust]

dockets and xp

[deft stump]

We rich nao jokes?

[wind spruce]

Things were said

Regardless ability cooldown is optimal

Obviously

[nocturne dust]

Not taking damage is optimal

[wind spruce]

So ability cooldown then

[nocturne dust]

si

[wind spruce]

Your most powerful in the moment method of not taking damage

[deft stump]

When toughness is gold.

[nocturne dust]

My most powerful method of not taking damage is DCing because of Fatshark's net code

or was until they nerfed that

https://tenor.com/view/sad-fade-fade-away-disappear-evaporate-gif-16638726229780416323

[gleaming dirge]

Technically speaking optimal would be sticking to like 100 toughness and making sure you don’t get hit twice in a row or snipered

[nocturne dust]

Optimal would be never taking any damage even to toughness

As the God Emperor intended

[wind spruce]

Does mk8 fgs have faster attack patterns or am I losing it?

(Or both)

[nocturne dust]

than wat

I assume mk6

[wind spruce]

Nah knoife

(Yes mk6 lel)

[nocturne dust]

So the latter then

You are indeed losing it

😔

[nocturne dust]

Yes but no

[wind spruce]

Feels swingier

[nocturne dust]

It definitely swings swingily

[wind spruce]

The push attack into stab is so cringe

[nocturne dust]

and I guess that can make it feel faster because it's crossing more of your screen

[wind spruce]

Yeah I think that's it

[nocturne dust]

but the patterns are pretty similar in speed.

I think mk6's stab is slightly slower than the overhead spam but I haven't timed it

[wind spruce]

I believe you're right

I'm committing to the mk8 for awhile to see what the other, incorrect side the trying to say

It's extremely shit that the slide/sprint heavy isn't a single target attack

[wicked hornet]

does the mk8 have a poke or is it just the 6

[nocturne dust]

mk8 has a poke locked behind the push attack (which is still the normal extra hard push) as a followup

[wicked hornet]

didn't know that

[nocturne dust]

It does more damage than the mk6 poke, but has less DPS than the mk6 heavy spam (which repeats the poke every other attack)

because it turns out, a push attack that does 1 damage is crap for DPS

[vagrant frigate]

hey deadvoid whats the mk8 knife again>?

[nocturne dust]

huh?

[vagrant frigate]

oh you're comparing a knife to a force sword?

[nocturne dust]

no?

[vagrant frigate]

what are you comparing

[nocturne dust]

mk6 FGS vs mk8 FGS

[vagrant frigate]

OH

[nocturne dust]

lol

[vagrant frigate]

nvm

i was confused trying to read

[celest valve]

it does, 0.85 timescale instead of 0.9

[nocturne dust]

Does timescale control the total duration of the animation?

[celest valve]

as far as i can tell: yes! and the actual speed of it and when you can cancel it into other things

[nocturne dust]

I mean like, do animations get their own duration separate from timescale?

[celest valve]

also yes.

[nocturne dust]

That makes it more complicated

[celest valve]

there's also unique time intervals when you can cancel into other actions, which is different per action(for example, cancelling into block is usually faster)

[summer prairie]

can you just compare the weapon handling timescale when the animations are different too?

[nocturne dust]

This is why Fatshark takes 2 years to produce a weapon

You can't, I would assume.

[celest valve]

You can, because the mechanics of a weapon are completely independent of the animation.

[summer prairie]

well I don't mean the actual animations

but the duration of the attack

[celest valve]

It's dependent on a sweep hitbox(similar to a number of other games like monster hunter it seems) that is active during a certain duration after the start of the animation.

...that may also be modified by timescale.

[summer prairie]

well attack speed buffs modify time scale too so

but yeah the "damage window start" values are also lower for mk8

[potent echo]

So.. is the 8 faster?

[nocturne dust]

This is why I did in-game testing and just timed it by frame from when I first pressed the key to when the damage was dealt

[summer prairie]

I'm not sure what justification there is for mk8 to be faster, if that's really the case

[potent echo]

Still don't really like the draw attacks of 8 though

[nocturne dust]

I mean, you could time the mk8 and mk6 attacks

but then you might actually need to quantify the duration after the attack if you're not a canceller

[celest valve]

and then you learn about input buffer times~

[split lance]

ur bad kid

[potent echo]

This is outrageous

[celest valve]

also light attacks happen on the release of the key, which means that holding it longer than a single frame lengthens the attack.

[nocturne dust]

Which is why I did the combo a lot and just took the fastest one 😭

[split lance]

only i get to call void bad

my pookie

[wicked hornet]

do yall ever get a message saying close background apps bc you ran out of ram?

[split lance]

yea

[nocturne dust]

Atlas may have words about that

[split lance]

its memory leak from ur mods

[wicked hornet]

oh just gotta reset the game.

[split lance]

i didnt play any games with him today

[split lance]

yup

[split lance]

what would he say

im actually

very sure in what hed say

[strong gulch]

I hope Atlas's fingies feel better and don't hurt as much.

[split lance]

he stayed up all night

lmao

[celest valve]

also the push attack combo seems to have a significant amount of potential optimization and is very confusing frankly

[split lance]

last night he didnt complain but we werent playing a demanding game

[strong gulch]

I mean, do any of use have good sleep hygiene?

[celest valve]

(you'd also likely need to test with the +10% attack speed talent, as that doesn't work as well with heavy attacks as the windup is not affected)

[split lance]

i literally only push to move around, not even to melee

[strong gulch]

You never know when a body is gonna body. They start doing bullshit for any reason.

[split lance]

i make sure to get 8-10 hours if that counts

yeah

thats true

[nocturne dust]

My testing was done with the attack speed node

[strong gulch]

It do. Ur an outlier.

[split lance]

the not good part is when im waking up at 12pm

[nocturne dust]

I make sure to be squeaky clean before bed

[split lance]

damn not a single party

[nocturne dust]

By falling asleep in the shower

while standing up

[split lance]

have you actually?

[strong gulch]

If you need to be on day wake period, rip.

[nocturne dust]

Many times

In fact I do that more often than not

[split lance]

i dont think thats good

[nocturne dust]

It's not

[strong gulch]

Yeah I've done that.

It's a bad time.

[split lance]

ive gotten close

but not actually done it

[strong gulch]

I have a shower stool these days, so it's less scary.

[nocturne dust]

I started taking cold showers to avoid it and then caught myself falling asleep anyway 😭

[potent echo]

Shower stools are the best

[split lance]

you know what sucks

since im tall

i dont fit in the tub

[nocturne dust]

Oh, lol, i don't fall over thankfully

I just sleep standing

[strong gulch]

Sorry. As a muscle dude that's gotta extra suck.

[split lance]

it was mostly height

now im twice the size as i was in hs when i actually wanted to take a bath

[strong gulch]

No I mean like soaking ur muscles in warm or iced water.

[split lance]

oh yeah

it sucks

[strong gulch]

Horse trough or bust.

[split lance]

im not the biggest fan of ice baths tho

not anymore

i got smarter '

[wind spruce]

The draw attacks of the mk8 are absolutely garbage

[split lance]

theyre still good, but bad as a constant IF hypertrophy is a goal

[wind spruce]

I'm trying really hard to understand why people prefer it but it's absolute garbage

[split lance]

me when you say KF is bad

[wind spruce]

Me when you

[split lance]

me and you

[wind spruce]

Why delete

[nocturne dust]

https://tenor.com/view/rock-one-eyebrow-raised-rock-staring-the-rock-gif-22113367

[wind spruce]

[split lance]

dont wanna get

uhhhhh

banned

that makes it sound worse than it is

lol

[wind spruce]

I didn't get banned for my peedough jokes

[split lance]

true

but

id also not like to live up to that

[strong gulch]

Maybe you will if you're a repeated offender.

[wind spruce]

Something something live up joke

[wind spruce]

Tren started it

[cosmic sigil]

Oi chat what's the combos for the great sword 8?

[sturdy reef]

cold plunges arent my thing

[wind spruce]

Hold X to remove from inventory

But the problem is k33t it's single target combos are all bad

[nocturne dust]

Just spam push attack stab

[sturdy reef]

I don't find them to be stress relieving at all, nor help with my recovery

[strong gulch]

Most of the folks on right now don't like the mk8. You'll need @broken carbon @celest valve , and forget who else for mk8 love and combos.

[sturdy reef]

having a low intensity week usually fixes my muscle fatigue

[potent echo]

It's still lower dps and annoying to spam push attack vs heavy

[sturdy reef]

MKVI supremacy

[nocturne dust]

You can also use just heavy spam since it moves to just overheads

[split lance]

so a deload

lol

[sturdy reef]

yeah

my forearms tend to go out first

[cosmic sigil]

The first H1 is a sweep right?

There's a way to go to H2 without H1?

[celest valve]

horde clear you turn off brain and spam light attacks. single target push attack heavy stab.

[cosmic sigil]

That's what I was doing yesterday yeah

[nocturne dust]

yes but I forget how since I don't like the mk8

[celest valve]

H2 and H3 also loop into each other for infinite overheads, which the stab combines with

[nocturne dust]

Forgot all about it and made room for more mk6 love

[celest valve]

for stuff like flak: you can do a cool slide light attack into H1 which looks really cool

[celest valve]

push attack stab

[cosmic sigil]

Ok

[split lance]

hand/grip strength are usually the first things to go due to fatigue so makes sense

[celest valve]

or just a lazy quick light attack

really tho push attack stab should come out in less than a second tho and does more damage than any move Mk6 has as it has the superior single target damage :v

[cosmic sigil]

I suppose that KD goes well with the push stab mechanic then

[nocturne dust]

still does less DPS

[sturdy reef]

mk6 flows better

[celest valve]

you can probably also chain the special activation into a heavy attack(other people have proven otherwise but ok) then H2 chaining

[sturdy reef]

imo

[celest valve]

it flows like a rancid backed up toilet :c

[sturdy reef]

nu

😠

[celest valve]

i don't like diagonal attacks ok

[sturdy reef]

they're fine

[nocturne dust]

Ah, I see the problem

You're confusing the mks

That's the mk8

[sturdy reef]

LOL

[nocturne dust]

[sturdy reef]

the stab is so addictive

[celest valve]

i know right i love pushing enemies onto the ground and then stabbing them in their dumb eye sockets with the mk8 stab

never gets old

[sturdy reef]

both stabs are good

I still prefer mk6 stab

[cosmic sigil]

As for the blessings, you go with?

[sturdy reef]

Cant shove em all

honestly deflector is worth picking up this patch

[cosmic sigil]

I was using unstable precog and unstable deflector

[sturdy reef]

even outside of havok if you want

[cosmic sigil]

(on a scryers build)

[celest valve]

you can actually shove them all

(one by one admittedly)

[sturdy reef]

but muh stam

[celest valve]

is fake

[strong gulch]

Seems like mk6 vs mk8 debates are like people who stim or are triggered off different ASMR things. So polarizing.

[sturdy reef]

they're both pref

lol

[celest valve]

bruh psyker has a 0.5s stamina regen delay. you literally cannot spam push attacks fast enough for it to matter

[sturdy reef]

both good

[cosmic sigil]

DS 2 superiority

[nocturne dust]

You can, however, blow yourself up

[runic kiln]

elden ring tho ;D

[sturdy reef]

yeah but I also want to sprint

and slide

[cosmic sigil]

Even with warp unbound?

[sturdy reef]

thats why I prefer mk6

[cosmic sigil]

I haven't really played psyker in months

[strong gulch]

I like the DS2. I wish it got more love. ESPECIALLY when some people always do the H1 S loop. Like why not just take the DS2 for the better horde clear at that point??

[sturdy reef]

you can still peril yourself with warp unbound

as you go from 97% to 100

even without

its just a bug with scriers

and staves

I think some blitz' too

[nocturne dust]

Mmmmmmm, Warp Unbound isn't active all the time, and even when it is there was a short moment between when scrier's ended and Unbound began that you could blow yourself up

[cosmic sigil]

Yeah that loop is silly on DS4. Just chain heavies bro

[nocturne dust]

Me on Kruger's Warhammer

Kruger?

Kruber

[sturdy reef]

Krubah

[nocturne dust]

I'm going insane

[wicked hornet]

whatdo ppl run on the combat knife the mk6?

[sturdy reef]

I do mk3

[strong gulch]

Right? I get using the special for stagger, but enemies get stagger resistance or whatever.

[sturdy reef]

I love it's shove overhead

H1 into L into H or L kills most elites that aren't maulers/ogryns

shove attack does very good damage too

[nocturne dust]

iirc, DS4's special is a forced stagger on weakspot hit

meaning you could even stagger Mutants out of charges

[strong gulch]

Kinda depends on if your running an SG build, if it will be your crusher killer, or if you're trying to do some damage then back off to safety and repeat.

[sturdy reef]

yeah they act like they hit a wall

its pretty funny looking

[nocturne dust]

I wish I had Kruber's Warhammer

Thammer just ain't the same

[sturdy reef]

relic blade fulfills my ungabunga needs

[celest valve]

at least on the psyker, the mk4 is recommended due to how universally good the push attack is

[onyx sentinel]

what blessings do I get for recon lasgun

[celest valve]

best single target DPS? push attack spam.

[strong gulch]

Yes, but you can't perma stagger a crusher or whatever. Them and bulwarks get that "you can stagger me anymore" window.

[celest valve]

best horde DPS? push attack spam.

[sturdy reef]

and weapons specialist DBS/Combat knife on vet fulfills my crackhead melee fantasy

by far my fav build on vet

[celest valve]

don't know what to do? push attack spam on the mk4 lol

[nocturne dust]

mk4?

[wicked hornet]

I'm using uncanny and flesh teaer

[nocturne dust]

That's generally good.

[wicked hornet]

I like it for the stat stick of mobility

[worthy wasp]

I'd rather play with bots than players.

[wicked hornet]

it's allowed me to clutch a few times in havoc 20's due to the space I was able to make

[strong gulch]

Uncanny + flesh tearer is the general build. It's the run in do damage and runaway option.

[wicked hornet]

I like that

[celest valve]

for the knife?

[nocturne dust]

There a mk4 knife?

[celest valve]

are you being stupid on purpose right now as a joke or

[nocturne dust]

Am I crazy

[wicked hornet]

I keep swapping to knife, FGS and dueling. my top 3 melee so far

[nocturne dust]

I thought there was mk3 and mk6, of which mk6 is more recommended

[strong gulch]

Knife has a base 15% crit chance, but with other psyker talents you can stack a lot more. That's why I was asking about SG. SG builds generally more crit dependent.

[celest valve]

ah, mark 6 ok

[strong gulch]

Knife is mk6 or mk3

[agile musk]

there is a mk 3 and mk 6 knife

[wicked hornet]

only 2 knives 3 and 6

[celest valve]

read the symbols in my mind backwards :v

[wicked hornet]

6 is better I feel

bc of push attack

[celest valve]

but yeah the blessings are weird for knife in that... all of them are complete and utter shit for their playstyle

except uncanny strike lol

[vagrant frigate]

mk6 lets you build uncanny faster, and still melt things with push attack

[wicked hornet]

btw you crazy with that tech in that video.

[celest valve]

so like... flesh tearer tends to be the best DPSwise because it still has innate backstab and does like 5x damage on a crit

[wicked hornet]

that's going to take some practice

[vagrant frigate]

it is easier than it looks

it looks crazy

its just a beat you repeat

like osu

[nocturne dust]

You don't need to do it either if you don't want to

[wicked hornet]

I'll have to play with it. like moon walking in Dead by daylight lol

[celest valve]

or you could like... iunno... just do a macro if you really want to

(also you don't need to lol)

[vagrant frigate]

free will WOW!

[nocturne dust]

Illegal

Straight to servitorization

[celest valve]

i did a like 20 LMB electrostaff macro

that was so. stupid. don't do it

it's silly

staves should not be machine guns

(20 lmb clicks a second)

[vagrant frigate]

the macro playstyle is boring

[celest valve]

or like 40 actions a second

[wicked hornet]

I want to try it looked cool.

[celest valve]

it was funny for one game

then i deleted it!

[nocturne dust]

Macros save my fingers

[agile musk]

Do yo use autoswing

[nocturne dust]

Yes

and the auto fire one

[agile musk]

[vagrant frigate]

hold "W", press LMB, then Shift. Repeat
once you get the rhythm its natural

[wicked hornet]

also is that a mod for the FOV or something in the files I have to change

[vagrant frigate]

to do it while peddling backwards, you tap R instead of Shft

[nocturne dust]

wat

[vagrant frigate]

its both LOL

[nocturne dust]

wat are your keybinds

[vagrant frigate]

w for move forward ❤️

shift for sprint ❤️

lmb for attack ❤️

[maiden oracle]

could I get a electrostaff lmb build

[vagrant frigate]

macro build

or not macro

[nocturne dust]

wait how does that quell cancel

[maiden oracle]

no macro

[vagrant frigate]

its Shift cancel

[maiden oracle]

ill just click faster

[vagrant frigate]

Quell cancel is R because R is your quell action!

thus QUELL CANCEL

in the video, i QUELL cancel on the reaper, then SHIFT cancel on the rest

[nocturne dust]

oh, I thought you were quell cancelling

[vagrant frigate]

sprint cancel same thing

quell cancel is slower and can be done in any direction

[maiden oracle]

is there any big time difference between the two or just preference

[vagrant frigate]

sprint only forward

[maiden oracle]

oh

[wicked hornet]

holy shit! it's super easy

already doing it lol

[vagrant frigate]

im glad you got it!

its way easier than you think lol

[maiden oracle]

and lmb electric doesnt have any weaknesses besides horde clear right

[agile musk]

[vagrant frigate]

i mean

[strong gulch]

WAIT, sprint cancel is back?? lol

How long has it been back?

[vagrant frigate]

are we talking about macroing

[maiden oracle]

no

[vagrant frigate]

idk but try it

[maiden oracle]

im doing it by hand

ill try the sprint cancel stuff if i can remember it

[strong gulch]

It was patched out a long time ago. I am not surprised that it's back because fatshark.

[vagrant frigate]

quell cancel on reaper
sprint cancel on trash

[summer prairie]

nice fov

[strong gulch]

1 second in and I cannot watch that. oof

My sensitive eyes and brain can't do it.

[vagrant frigate]

my sensitive eyes cant play with any less fov

[strong gulch]

accurate

[maiden oracle]

is it a better idea to do that cancel stuff with flame staff lmb or just do charges rmb

[nocturne dust]

https://tenor.com/view/send-help-dance-long-hands-weird-moves-gif-16441692

[lethal lagoon]

Lore accurate arms. That's the only way the range of the FGS makes sense.

[vagrant frigate]

incorporating both is the best, RMB overall is what you wanna be casting, but if you CANT cast it then lmb is good cast

also if you're running up into a fight

you can spam lmb cancel then charge an rmb as you slide in

but RMB is WAY more damage

LMB has WAY more stagger

[maiden oracle]

got it

[vagrant frigate]

its nothing game breaking

it just lets the staff be used even more aggresively

and with more mobility

[maiden oracle]

got it

[nocturne dust]

Also to note, the RMB can stagger a lot with Blaze Away, even ragers as long as they aren't in a combo

[vagrant frigate]

yeah, if you can LMB cancel then it is an instant stagger button p much

mostly used for movement

so you can kite and such

@strong gulch what about this FOV?

[strong gulch]

I'm not even gonna hit play. 😭

[wicked hornet]

I threw up

[bold cape]

that’s heretical

[strong gulch]

I hit play. 😵‍💫

[maiden oracle]

can i get the build btw

[strong gulch]

Liar

[split lance]

use rmb like a chad

smh smh

[vagrant frigate]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9bef5007-73ef-413a-b64d-10a0538eaaee/beef-purgassus

[maiden oracle]

https://tenor.com/view/grand-pa-old-man-ohh-kill-em-gif-15634821

[vagrant frigate]

thats beef's build

cant go wrong wtih it

also

hit play on this one @strong gulch ❤️

[maiden oracle]

got it thanks

[vagrant frigate]

thats generally the best purg build in the game

[maiden oracle]

Can I also get a lasgun gunker build

[vagrant frigate]

Las GUN?

recon?

[maiden oracle]

Its the full auto one

[strong gulch]

Almost reminds me of those old microsoft screen savers. The perspectives on those were 🥴

[maiden oracle]

Heard it was good on gunker and I never gave it a shot

[vagrant frigate]

I hate the recon

i use vraks

[maiden oracle]

Oh I was asking for a lmb electrostaff one

The conversation just shifted to flames

[vagrant frigate]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mg3iQP5Dgns

[split lance]

no KF

[vagrant frigate]

this is the recon last gun build

[split lance]

not the best buildd

[strong gulch]

Hello tanner vid.

I'm sure that won't start anything.

[vagrant frigate]

if youre gonna use a recon lasgun use thaat build

thats the best way to play it

every node is perfect

but i dont like how it plays

feels slow to me

[maiden oracle]

What’s the issue with lasgun

[wind spruce]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9d3473c2-2875-40d5-b931-a40973eea02e/burn-gunker-2

[maiden oracle]

Besides it feeling like it has no impact

[vagrant frigate]

I personally think its slowpaced

im like adhd drugged up psycho high inputs per minute

it feels slow

[maiden oracle]

Ha

Ah

[bold cape]

recon is my favorite gun most likely

easy to use for someone with no aim like myself

i also really like pissing bullets

[wind spruce]

Also have adhd brain and recon has just as many inputs you're just using burn more so you do wait for shit to die a bit more

[vagrant frigate]

compared to how i play vraks

i cant explain without showing you

[wind spruce]

Weaving assail melee and quick burns is hella fun

[wind spruce]

Show

I play hella aggressive

Throw myself into the middle of everything and rip my way out

[maiden oracle]

Can I replace ds with fgs

[wind spruce]

Yes

[maiden oracle]

Can I drop something for one with the warp or will I lose out on qol/damage for that

[wind spruce]

Yes

[maiden oracle]

Damn

I’ll just try not to get hit then

[wind spruce]

There's optional talents in the description

I meant yes you can drop something for it haha

[maiden oracle]

oh bet

[wind spruce]

I actually didn't mention one with the warp idk why

Oversight

[cosmic sigil]

You know what I like? Doing 1.5k DMG instead of staggering them.

[strong gulch]

Pro strat.

[maiden oracle]

it feels weird disengaging before the kill and letting burn finish them off

[strong gulch]

True

[maiden oracle]

trying the lasgun is like trying pickles man everytime i go "it couldnt possibly have been that bad" and i end up with a screwdriver in my liver

[strong gulch]

Recon is easier to aim and less ammo hungry. Vraks is more upfront with its damage

[maiden oracle]

what other options do i have

is vraks braced or infantry

[strong gulch]

There is also laspistol

[maiden oracle]

eugh

[split lance]

bistol

[nocturne dust]

Infantry

sadly Braced is not as good 😔

Braced my beloved

[maiden oracle]

unfortunate

[wind spruce]

It feels great once you get used to it. Tiny little sprays into gunner after gunner after gunner and kill feed just scrolls

[strong gulch]

There is other flavor of gunker which has the revolvers, bistol, and shotgun

[maiden oracle]

i get the feeling that my teammates are just gonna sweep it up

[nocturne dust]

and also just more damage

[maiden oracle]

already had enough of my bpistol fix from zealot

i might give shotgun a go

[maiden oracle]

vraks or lasgun

[nocturne dust]

Vraks

[maiden oracle]

ill try them both out then

[split lance]

bistol on psyker is pretty op

[nocturne dust]

I prefer Vraks because I can't aim anyway

[maiden oracle]

how so

[nocturne dust]

It's not really OP, it's just that it's paired with Shriek which is

[summer prairie]

shriek isn't that big % of your damage with bistol assail

[maiden oracle]

Ah ok

[split lance]

1 tap elites, assail horde clears, ,and shriek is fun

[nocturne dust]

Yes but then also add assail

[strong gulch]

If want info on shotgun gunker I'd ask or look at posts with images in psyker chat from @mossy oyster.

[maiden oracle]

Got it

What about vraks

[cosmic sigil]

Shriek is a nice ambient remover

[maiden oracle]

I already one tap elites with it on zealot though

[nocturne dust]

I gave you a build for that iirc

[maiden oracle]

In fact most of the time I just use tknife instead

[summer prairie]

bistol just pairs very well with assail

[maiden oracle]

Ah damn my memory is bad did you ping me with it

[nocturne dust]

uuuuhhhh

[split lance]

yes yes

but

even more damage

[maiden oracle]

It already one taps

[nocturne dust]

@maiden oracle

[maiden oracle]

Got it thanks

[nocturne dust]

[summer prairie]

your zealot doesn't have assail knives flying when you are aiming with your bistol

[nocturne dust]

I misremembered and was giving it to someone else

[maiden oracle]

I throw normal knives they do just as well

[summer prairie]

uhuh

[maiden oracle]

And then I throw my teammate into the horde

Call that shit assailt

[vagrant frigate]

@maiden oracle what did u want again

[nocturne dust]

Neither does Psyker

[maiden oracle]

Electro lmb build

[vagrant frigate]

i dont play macro

[maiden oracle]

Yes

[nocturne dust]

Assail disappearing too quickly 😭

[maiden oracle]

Perfect

[summer prairie]

sure does

[cosmic sigil]

Ass-hail

[strong gulch]

pointy ass

[maiden oracle]

What perks and blessings for vrak btw

[nocturne dust]

Dumdum annnnnndddd.... deathspitter iirc

and flak and unyielding

[maiden oracle]

Got it

Unload into everything that isn’t carapace or boss?

[nocturne dust]

Unload into boss

actually

[strong gulch]

Yes boss

[maiden oracle]

Nice

[vagrant frigate]

i used to use that exact

but maniac i prefer now

[maiden oracle]

So just stab carapace and shoot everything else

[thorn wolf]

over flak

[strong gulch]

Ye

[thorn wolf]

i assume

[nocturne dust]

In fact, that build specifically is what I use for FGS and assail

[maiden oracle]

Got it

[vagrant frigate]

over unyielding

[nocturne dust]

and Vraks is just there to dump into bosses

[thorn wolf]

ahh okay cool

[maiden oracle]

Nice

[nocturne dust]

which is why I don't put maniac on it

[thorn wolf]

that makes sense

[strong gulch]

basically but also assail because ammo

[vagrant frigate]

DS4 bulwark
DS4 bosses
DS4 crusher

[wind spruce]

Tanner stanner

[vagrant frigate]

vraks the rest

[strong gulch]

no assail on cara tho

[thorn wolf]

on what class?

[strong gulch]

no hand cannon memes

[nocturne dust]

looks at channel name

Vet

Lol, Psyker.

[thorn wolf]

ah mb dude, im new here

as in i dont type

[nocturne dust]

No worries, just amused by the question

[vagrant frigate]

idk if youre meming but i disagree with tanner on a lot

i just find it better to DS4 bosses

and bulwarks

[split lance]

anyone sub decent at the game does

lol

same as when he used to make warframe content