psyker-class

[analog agate]

2/4 classes for me

[deft stump]

Who wants 17% toughness....

[late sapphire]

man i love matches where all but one have stealth

[burnt gazelle]

i guess i should go spend all my melkbucks so i have motivation to play different characters for weeklies

rather than brainrotting psyker until i forget how to melee

[split lance]

I run a 15% toughness. Get rekt

[late sapphire]

idk just get them passively

they do nothing now

[deft stump]

But OCD.

[split lance]

Ah you see. I don’t care

@clear heath

Wyd bbg

[patent mango]

its funny to c how much less melee dmg other psykers do

4th was ogryn so i removed it

[haughty star]

I think best is shriek and dd for vs

With assail

Albeit I do love some scriers funnis

[analog agate]

Guess tanner hasn’t looked at meta builds for ER lol. I wonder who these skilled psykers he is talking with that use penetration soul than ER

[patent mango]

i checked hte vid

and theres like nearly nothing of force gs

basically unwatchable

[analog agate]

It is just another thing of him being right. But in context is wrong

ER is pretty much to take so you don’t take tranq. With the balance change FS essentially nerfed psyker there.

[marble crater]

Such a long video and no chapters for easy skipping or checking

[upper sun]

just skip randomly

[marble crater]

I will skip you randomly

[analog agate]

Spicy takes (kinda):
KF is horrible
Assail isn’t meta
Souldrinker is fantastic
ER is worst node in game
In Fire Reborn always better than vampire

[marble crater]

Can't be the worst node when the revive nodes are a thing

[analog agate]

He may have shit on crystalline will more

[celest valve]

ER is worst node in the game, unless you never get hit, in which case it's the best :v

and in darktide you can (theoretically) do no hit

(it's probably fine even if you do get hit with voice of command veterans that have the toughness regen sharing talent)

or for EP smite builds who literally do not care because enemies are not allowed to move in their dream

[marble crater]

Which they should

The revive is such a trap

[sullen whale]

Can't find a definitive answer on if you dump charge rate or warp res. on electro (surge) staff.

kinda sounds like dumping charge rate and using ER is best

[celest valve]

honestly, yes, they should really just remove the radius penalty or even make it a bonus :p

[marble crater]

Dump Warp res for normal build, charge rate if you want to lmb spam

[sullen whale]

Where do I even find "normal" build, assuming it's for single target like crushers/monstrosities

Pysker info/builds are impossible to find

[analog agate]

Both it and penetration are just tax nodes to get to the keystone unfortunately.

[celest valve]

honestly lmb spam is fun on electrostaff and doesn't even need quell canceling

[marble crater]

Normal meaning using the charged secondary attack

[sullen whale]

Yes but what is that for

[celest valve]

(i uh made a script to quell cancel, it was so dumb that I did it for one game and deleted it after)

[sullen whale]

crushers/bosses?

[celest valve]

everything.

[marble crater]

Everything

[radiant frigate]

magepilled castmaxxers

[analog agate]

https://tenor.com/view/thanos-infinity-war-everything-avengers-gif-14066494

[radiant frigate]

(take the melee pill right NOW ⚡)

[celest valve]

lmb spam can on damnation+ trivially deal with an entire horde better than any gun lol

[split lance]

I’ve done 0 before. On many occasions actually

[celest valve]

and it's basically so warp efficient you can keep it up forefver

takes like 2-3 seconds of quelling to get another 10+ seconds of brrrrrrt

[sullen whale]

using ER or ?

[split lance]

KF. Beloved

[celest valve]

er makes it better, tbh ER is better when you stack peril reductions. AKA the famous EP smite build

[patent mango]

its over

[marble crater]

You can, if you are new to psyker maybe don't use it (yet)

[celest valve]

(which can use warp charges instead which is weird but more consistent)

[sullen whale]

Does that use creeping flames

[patent mango]

when do they give rumbler more ammo

[split lance]

I can’t find it but I have a really funny leaderboard where like 1mil dmg. 1 kill from melee

[celest valve]

but honestly the major thing you need is the quell speed talent

[celest valve]

left mouse electrostaff uses off memory the blessing that doubles LMB projectiles on a crit, and gives up to 20% crit based on peril

[patent mango]

electro m1 builds are scary dark twisted builds

[sullen whale]

I know that but the EP smite, doesn't it make use of venting shriek modifier, creeping flames.

[celest valve]

oh, yes

[zinc phoenix]

Havoc upgrades and new weapons? 💯 good shit 👍 💯 good shit 👌 👌

[celest valve]

mostly because the damage talent is absolute trash garbage that is outdamaged in literally every situation by creeping flames

[patent mango]

guh?

[zinc phoenix]

Hopefully we get a force pokeball

And I can use it to capture random enemies and summon them in fights

“Crusher, I choose you!”

[patent mango]

what are you talking about next weapon they'll add is force greatsword

[zinc phoenix]

Force pokeball

[sullen whale]

force small magic rock

[split lance]

I like force rock

[celest valve]

the new staff talents are broken on LMB electrostaff, because you can get +30% damage from the staff talents on the left

[zinc phoenix]

I guess that’s all better than force cock 😂

[sullen whale]

this rock is a magic one!!

[zinc phoenix]

FBI be like “OPEN UP”

[patent mango]

force chainsword

[sullen whale]

Which talents are those?

[zinc phoenix]

Force plasma rifle

[celest valve]

look uh look at the steam guides, psykanium or whatever. it has the EP staff build

[zinc phoenix]

Shoot the heretics with steamin hot pieces of my mind

[celest valve]

i tried it, it is legit ludicrously strong and maybe should be nerfed :p

[sullen whale]

channeled force and empyric shock?

[upper sun]

5 more months when they finally rework the old ogryn weapons

[patent mango]

just give them more ammoooo

[radiant frigate]

comically large assail shard

[zinc phoenix]

It’s too boring and suckass play experience to be worth nerfing, I’ve seen like two people doing it

[celest valve]

EP smite with the +1 to jumps and heavy charges? it basically stunlocks the entire screen, and does enough damage to kill them in a reasonable amount of time

[upper sun]

oh wait 5 more business months

[patent mango]

noooooo

[sullen whale]

atheneum has quite a bit of dubious info like dumping crit and quell speed on surge/electro staff

[upper sun]

so january and december dont count

[celest valve]

the -30% quell speed talent is why there's quell speed dumping, because it doesn't really matter that much

[zinc phoenix]

Yeah there are some very whack suggestions

[haughty star]

If you take inner tranquility its exponentially better.

[upper sun]

theres no reason to dump quell EVER

[celest valve]

electrostaff crit thing is because crit doesn't actually add that much damage and quelling actually does matter more for right click I think

[zinc phoenix]

What if I’m using crack of bone

[upper sun]

are you doing rmb spam?

[zinc phoenix]

Never quell!

[zinc phoenix]

Disgusting no I am spamming fgs

[sullen whale]

do both

[upper sun]

warp res mostly effect rmb

[zinc phoenix]

I don’t need to resist the warp if I want more warp 😤

[sullen whale]

numbers made it look opposite

[celest valve]

although honestly for RMB spam you should probably dump quell speed anyway maybe because I'm not entirely sure it matters due to overheat mechanics, don't remember off hand what peril has to be at for a safe RMB tho

[haughty star]

I like deimos better for dropping heavy targets and I like illisi better for generalization horde use

[zinc phoenix]

GIVE ME FUEL GIVE ME FIRE GIVE ME POSSESSION I DESIRE

[haughty star]

Fgs is very middling

[zinc phoenix]

I will cut you

With fgs

Also it’s incredible if you go deep into the dark art of combos

[upper sun]

😨 fatshark when you tell them you want less of a stat because that would benefit gameplay mechanics they designed

[haughty star]

The only good clearly thing about it is the charge

[celest valve]

also i would literally take a talent that is just "minimum peril is 86%, you get literally no other benefit from this, you just are always at 86% peril or more"

it was a nerf when they increased innate peril quell speed for psyker.

[zinc phoenix]

I mean, that would be insanely busted

[celest valve]

well

[sullen whale]

think i'll stick with charged strike instead 😉

[zinc phoenix]

I would run crack of bone to constantly quell and never need to spend

[celest valve]

it's basically what the force greatsword has if you ignore the warp slash stacking mechanic. :p

[haughty star]

Warp rider is only multiplicative to soulflame

[sullen whale]

god it's SO good!

[zinc phoenix]

No

Stop

No

[celest valve]

force greatsword is basically an illisi slash even uncharged, similar damage on the melee part

[zinc phoenix]

✋

No

[upper sun]

🤓 time to buff every class again to balance them for havoc

[haughty star]

Other than that it's just shitty additive damage

[celest valve]

(charged strike should apply to all melee attacks not just heavy melee attacks fight me)

[sullen whale]

(except ogryn)

[zinc phoenix]

Remove auric, embrace havoc 😤

[upper sun]

ogryn gets -100% toughness now

[zinc phoenix]

Rubber bullets must go

[fathom adder]

People be complaining about randoms in Havoc, then I look at the party finder and think "what randoms?"

[sullen whale]

me seeing 99% of ogryn changes

[zinc phoenix]

IKR? You can easily build a good team

[celest valve]

ogryn is a team issue imo also maybe ranged weapons that aren't the heavy stubber could use some buffs

[haughty star]

Yeah except you can do like 3 illisi slash in the time it takes to do one fgs one lol

[celest valve]

(also maybe melee weapons too.)

[sullen whale]

bosses now have 90% explosive resist!! enjoy rumbler :333

[zinc phoenix]

Of course I am a fascist host who tells everyone what to do

And that is how I earn the big box 😂

[upper sun]

every ogryn weapon other than heavy stubber,shield, pick, and kickback is ass

[celest valve]

well fgs also has other fun things. like did you know it's literally 0 wield time unlike most every other weapon in the game?

[zinc phoenix]

That’s why I take the weapon swap speed perk for negative wield time

[celest valve]

did you know you can use this property with assail to just keep at high warp forever WHILE keeping those melee charges? :3

[sullen whale]

curious how only shield and pick have dope skins

[celest valve]

it literally does nothing lol

[zinc phoenix]

negative swap speed

[haughty star]

Noone cares about wield time

[celest valve]

the wield animation for the FGS is a weapon attack pre-phase basically

[upper sun]

shield is a big fat canvas you can do so much with it

[celest valve]

which can be immediately 'canceled' into an attack

[zinc phoenix]

You can h1

[haughty star]

Psykers already got the fastest wield times I'm pretty sure

[zinc phoenix]

Or you can h1

And sometimes you gotta h1

[upper sun]

YOU CAN DAAANCE

HAVIN THE TIME OF YOUR LIIFE

[sullen whale]

well pick also has the cool emperor talon skin in shop rn meanwhile knife is a bunch of ugly ass recolored camoflage patterns

[zinc phoenix]

I am a rare ogryn who uses the special to spam the bonk sound in elevators

[sullen whale]

camo is so ugly

[celest valve]

this is why assail works super well with it. You can launch an assail shard like... i wanna say 0.1 seconds after swapping to it?

[upper sun]

same

[sullen whale]

why does my weapon need to blend in and look tacky??

[zinc phoenix]

BONK

[celest valve]

And then immediately swap back to FGS and immediately attack.

[upper sun]

idk if the team can hear it but I CAN

BONK

[celest valve]

(i'm tempted to make an assail weaving macro because it is kind of high APM tho)

[haughty star]

One assail shards isn't gonna stack anything lol

[sullen whale]

always pick up grimoires to spam m1 to moan in elevators

[haughty star]

At least not in auric damn lol

[upper sun]

that doesnt work anymore

[celest valve]

It is. Because you can launch assail shards fast enough to cancel out peril decay.

[zinc phoenix]

Do people still play auric?

I thought it was just bots

[upper sun]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1046913589614747719/1289335646170779669/Warhammer_40000_Darktide_2024.09.27_-_23.14.59.20-00.00.03.331-00.00.38.475.mp4?ex=67668824&is=676536a4&hm=7839418f7a189ea9f8d2a78d28d0884d8a96f3c9e566c2e151e6a42334fa0269&

[radiant frigate]

time to use perilous assault

[celest valve]

And even a single assail shard is useful because of it's stagger.

[upper sun]

wait wrong video

[patent mango]

why do they keep adding meme talents like perilous assault lmao

[upper sun]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1046913589614747719/1286485818759843840/Warhammer_40000_Darktide_2024.09.17_-_22.32.58.04-00.02.59.777-00.03.05.938.mp4?ex=6766b608&is=67656488&hm=be17ae73f815d2370f92d583ac684fd6532c561b9b4f744823e6c0a96f01aa4c&

[celest valve]

then you can swap wrath on FGS for another damage talent, because warp splitting at max peril is ludicrous already along with the +20% strength from peril

[upper sun]

yup there we go

[haughty star]

Havoc is just annoying and unfun imo. The gunner spam is just aids and forces specific builds and kills build expression

[patent mango]

havoc shooters are so annoying

[zinc phoenix]

Me still playing whatever I feel in the mid 20s

[celest valve]

it's (arguably) useful on like... the bolt pistol

[patent mango]

nuh uh

[celest valve]

i can't really think of any other weapon tbh with a significant noteworthy wield time for any purpose other than assail weaving

[zinc phoenix]

Honestly if you’re solid at the game playing full dps makes the 20s easier

[haughty star]

The skill tree pick is not strength

[zinc phoenix]

Because the rest of the team is usually too dumb to kill or live

[haughty star]

It is damage

[celest valve]

no but you replace wrath with a +20% strength one that you can keep at max forever too

because, again, this playstyle requries you use assail weaving to stay at 86% peril or higher.... forever.

[haughty star]

Which leads to 0 change in breakpoints

[zinc phoenix]

I like warp splitting and wrath

And the mk8

I cleave everything everywhere all at once

[celest valve]

because with enough APM, Assail is that 'do nothing' talent that locks your minimum peril at 86%.

[patent mango]

this playstyle would make me go even more insane

[celest valve]

yes your fingers will hate you because every time a shard regenerates you have to swap to assail, launch a shard, swap back, that's like... 3 buttons every time

and then you probably want to cancel the wield animation into an attack too for 4 buttons you have to press every second :v

on top of WSAD movement, dodging, sliding, avoiding gunners....

[haughty star]

What is the point in edging the whole time when you're getting at best 20 percent additive damage lol

[patent mango]

im ok with just stabbing things instead

[haughty star]

We edge with staves because of nexus

[celest valve]

you're also getting +100% cleave(which does work on assail)

[zinc phoenix]

Right side tree has a lot of stuff that benefits from mega cleavin

[celest valve]

you're also getting +20% strength and +20% critical strike chance from the two blessings on your FGS.

and while you're being a melee cyclone, you're also launching constant ranged assail attacks as fast as it can regenerate with the +30% cooldown speed talent for assail. which penetrates 6 targets because of warp splitting :3

This also means you're constantly using warp and non-warp attacks, for permanent +20% damage to both warp and non-warp attacks.

And that peril is giving you +33% toughness damage resistance, as well.

and you still have a gun slot for... whatever(tbh I like a fully automatic autogun, it's nice for taking out ranged enemies when you don't want to nyoom over there for destiny stacks)

[ripe obsidian]

Bistol is a fun sidearm.

[celest valve]

yeah i also kinda unironically like the speed loader sidearm on it. quick to draw, can magdump easily, reloads fast especially with the talent

[haughty star]

Id personally rather just keep scriers up with bcob and psy aura and have better bonuses than literally all of that and still have wrath lol

[zinc phoenix]

But then you try to assail a mob21 and all you hear is the sound of sadness 😭

[ripe obsidian]

I tried playing some mid-20s Havoc yesterday. It was a travesty.

[zinc phoenix]

You have to boss the team

But yeah there’s a reason those guys are stuck in the 20s 😂

[celest valve]

what do you mean, assail doesn't just do damage, it also does a hilariously large amount of stagger

[ripe obsidian]

Last man standing as Meleeker against a BoN and a captain. Managed to kill the BoN, but the Captain shredded my toughness with the animation issue, then a gunner just wrecked me.

[haughty star]

Who cares about stagger just kill then

[zinc phoenix]

staggers one upgraded pox walker

[celest valve]

stagger stops them from shooting back while your FGS kills everyone

also ok yes you will also with this playstyle have difficulty with daemonhosts lol

also

it is hell on your fingers

[ripe obsidian]

I swear, even I play better at like 35+. That's probably because I can rely on my team more, but still.

Then I just went back to Auric Damnation quickplay and got silly with it.

[celest valve]

you can also just turn off your brain, take wrath instead of the +20% strength at high peril blessing, throw disrupt destiny/warp charges + scrier's gaze onto the build with... literally any blitz ability tbh it doesn't matter

[marble crater]

There are people in the 20s just walking forward all the time and spamming their autogun, bless them

[celest valve]

or shield even! it doesn't matter! because wrath FGS go brrr

[ripe obsidian]

My experience with slumming in the 20s for penance progress is that people just... die. I don't really know why. They fall over against trash mobs.

[zinc phoenix]

A lot of them want to play mid 20s like it’s an auric where they try to solo everything

Then they get baleeted by a pack of shooters and cry

[haughty star]

I just do this and don't worry about keeping a specific peril or wasting time switching to a blitz constantly

[plucky flax]

It's built different

[celest valve]

as long as you're doing critical hits every second, you will literally never take damage with your giant massive sword double the range of anyone else in the game, with knife-level attack sways for safety. if you take uhhh mettle yes and

[marble crater]

He wasn't soloing anything

[upper sun]

its just a revolver with autoaim

[celest valve]

ok uh. remove scrier's gaze toughness damage reduction. take the node below mettle. plz

[sullen whale]

wtf chimes trinket doesn't make ringing sounds !! 😭

[plucky flax]

The projectile is smoller than revolver tho

[burnt gazelle]

the point of that build looks like the TDR?

[haughty star]

No. Literally does nothing for my build

[burnt gazelle]

and they don't have warp damage apart from illisi slash and bb

[celest valve]

....also take blocking increases peril instead of ranged attacks reduce peril it's way better.

[upper sun]

idk man bolter and bistol have crazy magnetism

[plucky flax]

I miss all the time

[haughty star]

Wrong again. Scriers benefit is far better than edging for warp rider lol

[celest valve]

warp damage aplpies to special and the brain blurst procs :x

[burnt gazelle]

does anyone use kd to edge for warp rider?

[haughty star]

Dummys that think edging is literally everything do

[marble crater]

That happens to me too in 1 out of 100 games because I'm just brain afk at that moment

[burnt gazelle]

maybe i have too many stam curios

[celest valve]

it's nice sometimes and also it's just a really good ability in a pinch

like a full bar of peril can just block a silly amount

[burnt gazelle]

it is but they have a scriers build where kd doesn't work so good

and the point of that build looks like having scriers up as close to 100% of the time as possible

[haughty star]

This would net me a likely less than half a percent damage increase over the course of a auric maelstrom lol

[celest valve]

mneh. even replacing the scrier's gaze toughness damage reduction with like... .wildfire would be good :c

[burnt gazelle]

why wildfire?

[haughty star]

No wildfire is trash

Especially when only source of warpfire is pc lol

[celest valve]

yeah but it's funny when you kill like 20 ragers in a warp slice :v

[haughty star]

Why would wildfire apply to that

[zinc phoenix]

Have you tried not closing your eyes when you shoot?

[celest valve]

cause the stacks apply to other ragers which die which spreads to other enemies then the ragers die which spreads to other ragers and then more ragers die to spread to other enemies and

[plucky flax]

Opening eyes hard

[haughty star]

Its literally like one stack. Wildfire only worth on builds that generate lots of warpfire

[upper sun]

idk bolter and bistol are the only guns i can aim

[celest valve]

3 stacks :v

[haughty star]

It evenly distributes those 3 stacks to the enemies around the enemy that dies

[burnt gazelle]

it doesn't multiply

[haughty star]

And cannot distribute more stacks than are already applied

Its literally trash on anything but the most flame happy builds

[burnt gazelle]

it gives max 4 stacks to up to 4 enemies if something dies with 4 stacks+

[haughty star]

No it can only give 4 to one

[burnt gazelle]

oh sorry i phrased that wrong

[haughty star]

Its in aetheneum it's really whack

[burnt gazelle]

what i meant was what you said

[celest valve]

bluh where even si the code for that

[burnt gazelle]

it's 4 stacks to 1, or 1 to 4 each or whatever

[celest valve]

oh right, it's a weapon buff

[marble crater]

What about braced autogun?

[burnt gazelle]

but basically it doesn't let you increase number of wildfire stacks and it just has no effect if ppl die with 1 so you need a continuous applicator basically

for wildfire to do stuff

[upper sun]

yeah no i just shoot it on the ground and walk up to the enemy

[celest valve]

template_data.stacks_on_death = math.min(new_stack_count + change, psyker_talent_settings.offensive_2_2.stacks_to_share) the dying with 1 is weird tbh because it should still give 1. cause 0 + 1 = 1

hmm. distance of 5(whatever that means probably meters? I think? similar to range stats)

[ripe obsidian]

https://github.com/Aussiemon/Darktide-Source-Code/blob/64dd68fdbbc28112761eaa2153040efe32204ad3/scripts/settings/buff/weapon_buff_templates.lua#L144

[ripe obsidian]

5 meters, yes.

[celest valve]

if buff_extension:current_stacks("warp_fire") < template_data.stacks_on_death then ok yeah that seems like it means 4 stacks max which is kind of poopy

so fair

[ripe obsidian]

Wildfire is a loop that, oversimplified, goes through every enemy within range and applies 1 stack, subtracting from the stacks_to_share on an enemy with each pass. When you either hit 0 or there are no more valid enemies, it ends.

And it has a really, really ugly ternary logic line that made all my software engineer friends go, "What the fuck"

i = i == num_results and 1 or i + 1

[celest valve]

i'll be honest I try and ignore the and or ternary logic things

they are spooky

[ripe obsidian]

I'm a network engineer. Software engineering is spooky

Wildfire is useful for spreading Soulblaze. It does... okay damage, if you're being generous, but the real benefit is getting 1-4 stacks on enemies before you hit them, which makes you scale that much faster, and also getting more Warp Siphon stacks

4 stacks of Soulblaze is like 11 damage per tick. 8 stacks is like 45

[celest valve]

anyway creeping flames seems to not have a limit on what it applies so e h

[ripe obsidian]

Creeping Flames can techically go up to 31 stacks.

[split lance]

woldfire

beloved

[ripe obsidian]

There's somewhere in the code that defines the maximum as 31. I am not positive where, but I can find it if you want.

[celest valve]

same with perilous combustion it seems which would basically annihilate anything nearby a bunch of elites/specialists killed

[zinc phoenix]

That is so fucked

[ripe obsidian]

Oh wait, it's the same file

[celest valve]

it's in the same code you linked afaik

yeah

[ripe obsidian]

    class_name = "interval_buff",
    duration = 8,
    interval = 0.75,
    interval_stack_removal = true,
    max_stacks = 31,
    max_stacks_cap = 31,```

[zinc phoenix]

“This is either a bool or a number”

What the fuck type safety

[ripe obsidian]

This is approximately what my friends said

[zinc phoenix]

The hell are they coding in, JavaScript?

[late sapphire]

bools are sometimes integers

[celest valve]

(i == num_results) ? 1 : i + 1 or something i think

[ripe obsidian]

Lua

[celest valve]

the ternery is weird there

[zinc phoenix]

😱

Pooa

[ripe obsidian]

i = (i == num_results)? 1 : (i + 1)

[celest valve]

the 'and or' contruct is the ternary afaik

[late sapphire]

its not a ternary

[ripe obsidian]

My understanding is that it is ternary to restart the loop.

[late sapphire]

Not really

[celest valve]

https://www.lua.org/pil/3.3.html

[zinc phoenix]

Its assignment

[late sapphire]

I guess it is ternary but really it's logical operators used on truthy values for the zero-coalescing function rather than actual ternary

Which stinks hugely

[celest valve]

hmm 4 meter range on the elite/specialist thing

[ripe obsidian]

Which, I assume, is why my software engineer friends felt disdain.

[tired mural]

Why do psykers exist bruv

[zinc phoenix]

To pleasure your mo the er

[celest valve]

https://tenor.com/o7auvKjO2Ge.gif

[tired mural]

Isn’t yours dead?

[celest valve]

ok also psykinetic's aura is dumb and stupid and i just saw the code for it and what.

[split lance]

https://tenor.com/view/mods-cut-him-down-tear-him-apart-splay-the-gore-gif-16211356125689318290

[celest valve]

you cannot kill me in any way that matters

[split lance]

OK

cool story bro

[celest valve]

anyway yeah it looks like the cooldown reduction is just. for the whole team. i guess. psyker kills 20 elites and specialists, have a free ability

[zinc phoenix]

I don’t want to hear about your fetish man

Keep your necrophilia to yourself

[split lance]

so it doesnt matter who gets the kill?

[celest valve]

it matters that the psyker gets the kill as far as I can tell

well, unless the on_kill proc event triggers for allies.

[split lance]

wait

i for some reason assumed it was a team of 4 psykers

[ripe obsidian]

I checked my notes, and it seems like that line is used to reset i to the first value in the set of valid enemies so that it can cycle through and apply more soulblaze.

[split lance]

what i meant was it doesnt matter which psyker gets the kill, all get the cdr?

[zinc phoenix]

I mean I’d request changes on it, it’s heinous

[celest valve]

every psyker in coherency range of the psyker that got the kill will get the CDR

[zinc phoenix]

Maybe game programming is more tolerant of bullshit 😂

[celest valve]

(every character, really)

[analog agate]

We were all psyker in our havoc 40. And we always had our ability available because of that node

[celest valve]

(ogryns, veterans, zealots too)

[split lance]

yeah

i shrieked an insane ammount

[ripe obsidian]

That's been the consensus so far

[late sapphire]

To be honest it should just be an if and an increment

Not like lua doesn't have those

This is what onelinerism does to good programmers

[zinc phoenix]

There’s no reason to do it like that for sure 😂

[late sapphire]

'i can solve this in one line'

and then it's a 200 character claptrap rather than 3 lines of 20 characters each

[zinc phoenix]

In fairness seeing how much you can dump into one line is funny

[celest valve]

i got bored one time and tried to make a way to convert month, day, and year to how many days were before that date in a year and back

without conditionals

pure math

(it is possible)

also it is a nightmare and please don't do this your application does not need the speed boost

[radiant frigate]

bolter is aimed?

[ripe obsidian]

I do not know enough about software engineering to comment. But this is what it is doing:

                            local target_unit = _warpfire_broadphase_results[i]```

If I am correct, it has created a set (I think a set, not positive) of all valid enemies for Wildfire based on the broadphase algorithm (or whatever it is), then it cycles through that set and applies 1 stack per enemy. Once it hits the end of the set, it resets `i` to 1 and goes through again until it's out of stacks.

[radiant frigate]

i thought it was a rapid fire explosive melee weapon

[celest valve]

bolter is aimed but afaik when right click is held it might use the BFG autoaim settings

(same as revolver and, well, the BFG aka plasmagun)

[late sapphire]

I guess maybe it reads better for someone used to lua ternary

[ripe obsidian]

https://github.com/Aussiemon/Darktide-Source-Code/blob/64dd68fdbbc28112761eaa2153040efe32204ad3/scripts/settings/damage/damage_profiles/bfg_damage_profile_templates.lua#L2

BFG.

[late sapphire]

If it parses as i = (i == ... ? 1 : i+1) automatically then it's okish

[ripe obsidian]

I believe it parses as i = (i == num_results)? 1 : (i + 1)

So what you wrote

[late sapphire]

I was too lazy to type it out yes

But I mean parses as in 'reads as though it was like that to experienced lua nerds'

Maybe it's the lua equivalent of pythonic code

By which I mean ugly as sin but yknow

[upper sun]

yes

youd be suprised

you can easily kill snipers with it from 387474m range away

[celest valve]

ok that's technically also not used anywhere, default_plasma_killshot is instead but

[teal copper]

Average psyker conversation while my ogryn head has not a single fucking clue as to whats happening

[ripe obsidian]

The weird thing to me is that in the Psykhanium (locally hosted) when Warpfire expires on a corpse (8.25 seconds) it spreads wildfire. Doesn't work in an actual game.

[ripe obsidian]

There are 48 files that reference BFG. I do not know enough to say more than that.

bfg_force_staff is part of those

[damage_types.force_staff_bfg] = true,

[celest valve]

that's possibly because ir recicles it or something, or cleanses template_data, unsure

basically when warpfire is removed, if there are no stacks_on_death value for the unit, and the unit is dead, yay stacks on death is set

...and also the stacks only spread when 'stop_func' is called which.... happens... at some point? iunno

it's possible the server instantly deletes corpses for performance reasons and they're clientside only, which would explain it. that makes me wonder if wildfire in the locally hosted psykhanium spreads when they die or when the warpfire stacks expire.

[ripe obsidian]

            template_data.stacks_on_death = math.min(new_stack_count + change, psyker_talent_settings.offensive_2_2.stacks_to_share)```

I would guess that the HEALTH_ALIVE part is relevant to this

I just don't know why purgatus can apply stacks to a locally hosted corpse when nothing else can

[celest valve]

cause everything else checks if they're dead or not instead of using flamer code

...directly or indirectly.

[ripe obsidian]

I could not figure out when that function is called.

I tried.

My knowledge of programming is very limited.

[celest valve]

my guess is that it's equivalent to a deconstructor

basically no matter how many warpfire stacks are on a target, there is a single object attached to the buffsystem that represents the warpfire

which is removed or culled when the object it represents is removed or the stacks expire, I would guess

hence, I wonder if wildfire spreads instantly in the psykarium when an enemy dies, or if the corpse has to either despawn OR the warpfire stacks expire.

[ripe obsidian]

I believe this is where the purg staff would add stacks to a target, living or dead:

https://github.com/Aussiemon/Darktide-Source-Code/blob/64dd68fdbbc28112761eaa2153040efe32204ad3/scripts/extension_systems/weapon/actions/action_flamer_gas.lua#L377-L394

[ripe obsidian]

Dies and expires, yes. Not sure about despawn.

Assuming the ragdoll never despawns, in the psykahnium you can apply stacks and watch them spread indefinitely.

[celest valve]

well unless it respawns with warpfire still applied, even if it's recycled, it should be purged of buffs

but again. could test there. just flamethrower one with the talent and nothing else, any enemy, until they die. see how long until other enemies get warpfire :p

[ripe obsidian]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1046914150363844779/1317310754315046912/2584BA7900004.mp4?ex=6766ca7e&is=676578fe&hm=f8939cb2d47a74a06ee318b9e77a14cc43c625a2b67f34a01a05dbbc72500bc1&

[celest valve]

is it immediate on death or does it take more than literally 0 seconds like in gameplay

[ripe obsidian]

Here.

[celest valve]

ok but flamethrower a live dude and see how fast it spreads to others

[proper osprey]

Is Wildfire worth it in a purg build?

[nocturne dust]

yes

[ripe obsidian]

I can't right now. I am at an airport.

[proper osprey]

It doesn’t seem likes it’s doing much

[dense flume]

Guys.... Soul drinker: does it proc by killing anyone who has soul blaze on them OR does it proc when an enemy dies from soul blaze ?

[nocturne dust]

Sure. But it actually does a lot.

[proper osprey]

How much is a lot?

[analog agate]

A bunch

[proper osprey]

Both ways, if the have a stack it’ll proc

[ripe obsidian]

More than a little

[nocturne dust]

Well, would you like 1/4 of Inferno's soulblaze cap pre-applied to enemies?

Would you like to more often acquire the first stack of soulblaze so Blaze Away still applies?

Would you like to eliminate chaff without ever looking at them?

[proper osprey]

True I forget blaze away just ramps up dot

[nocturne dust]

Wildfire can do it all (with the help of Blaze Away)

[ripe obsidian]

4 stacks of Soulblaze is 11 damage. 8 stacks is 41.

Not counting whatever buffs you have going, like Blaze Away

[tired mural]

Not gonna bring your mom back bro 😭

[celest valve]

...oh also the spreading probably happens simply because the corpses are still included in the broadphase manager maybe. cause they're like... gonna come back anyway. maybe. iunno.

[radiant frigate]

what a weird thing to say

[ripe obsidian]

It is spaghetti

[nocturne dust]

the spreading probably happens because soulblaze stacks expire on death, and wildfire probably checks for when soulblaze stacks expire and the target is dead

that's a guess tho

🤷‍♂️

[ripe obsidian]

But only in the Psykhanium

[nocturne dust]

wdym, it works in matches last I checked

[ripe obsidian]

It does not

[nocturne dust]

[ripe obsidian]

Corpses do not spread wildfire in real matches. I tried, as did a couple other people.

[nocturne dust]

Curse you Fatshark

[celest valve]

also that might have been a recent change, because of the whole german corpses can't be mutilated after death thing and still being able to play with people who has that set :x

hence, clientside corpses

[ripe obsidian]

Another weird thing is that the Psykhanium wildfire corpses spread it at 8.25 seconds, which is when it should start ticking down

Rather than 8.25 seconds + 0.75 (I think) seconds per stack

So 4 stacks would be like 10 seconds instead of 8.25 to hit 0

[nocturne dust]

Weird, I'm pretty sure that was working like 6 months ago

[ripe obsidian]

I tested it within the last week

You're more than welcome to prove me wrong

[nocturne dust]

🤷‍♂️

[ripe obsidian]

I will gladly accept evidence to the contrary

[nocturne dust]

I believe you, Fatshark do be changing things intentionally and unintentionally

[celest valve]

ok it happens if an enemy dies, it seems, for any reason whatsoever, with the warpfire_burning debuff on them.

but also i think tests showed it doesn't actually refresh at all until it runs out

well

the toughness replenishing might still work

[celest valve]

see uh german law thing meaning you can't mutilate dead corpses anymore

which means that corpses would necessarily no longer be synced between clients :p

[nocturne dust]

dies from soulblaze except sometimes also just when soulblaze ticks at the same time as death

[nocturne dust]

yes

[nocturne dust]

no

[celest valve]

local valid_target = killed_unit_buff_extension and (killed_unit_buff_extension:has_keyword(keywords.warpfire_burning) or killed_unit_buff_extension:had_keyword(keywords.warpfire_burning)) that's the relevant code

[nocturne dust]

In-match testing showed it only 100% works on death via soulblaze

[celest valve]

er hmm no wait that's soul on warpfire kill

[nocturne dust]

and doesn't always trigger otherwise

[marble crater]

Austria and Japan too okay, don't single us out

[ripe obsidian]

Isn't Australia also super strict?

[analog agate]

https://tenor.com/view/not-like-this-gif-7283799

[marble crater]

It's a penal colony full of criminals, how strict can they be?

[nocturne dust]

sauce for my claim

[celest valve]

local valid_target = killed_unit_buff_extension and (killed_unit_buff_extension:has_keyword(keywords.warpfire_burning) or killed_unit_buff_extension:had_keyword(keywords.warpfire_burning)) anyway that's on the souldrinker bit

[late sapphire]

I can confirm corpses can no longer be mutilated

Which would be a shame if i didn't have ragdolls turned off anyways

[marble crater]

I honestly can't tell a difference

[celest valve]

but of course with recent changes it is possible that the corpse can no longer be checked to see if it had warpfire burning because the buff extension was removed. or record of it. iunno

in which case it basically checks to see if the damage type that killed the minion is warpfire from you

(what applied warpfire doesn't matter afaik, I think this is specifically actually to apply on say... death by forcesword special or flamethrower direct damage proc.)

but also the same code should also proc this which means that if they have to die to soulblaze, well, that becomes a lot worse too :p

[nocturne dust]

Yeh. Although nobody has checked In Fire Reborn.

[celest valve]

(nevermind that psychic vampire would proc once for every 2.5 in fire reborn procs assuming EVERY ENEMY had soulblaze on them. and there's 4, maybe 5 rejects, doesn't matter)

[zinc phoenix]

Yeah they decided they needed to clean up their morality after voting to help Hitler

[celest valve]

(so like... mathematically unless you are a super chad, psychic vampire is better always.)

[marble crater]

Even if your only source is PC?

[celest valve]

psychic vampire

in fire reborn

[late sapphire]

Though purgatus is extremely good at hording

[celest valve]

even assuming in fire reborn worked properly as it says, psychic vampire is just better as long as you have like... 1.5 rejects in coherency with you on average.

[marble crater]

@celest valveYeah I can't read, nevermind

[celest valve]

that are pulling their weight

[marble crater]

Thanks

[celest valve]

and, well, it is possible that you have to actually kill the enemy with warpfire damage(including from the debuff) so like... ally kills wouldn't count.

[late sapphire]

pretty sure ally kills dont count yes

[celest valve]

also as mentioned, this talent does nothing. all the code is there. there just uh

[marble crater]

People say they just need to die while they have soulblaze on them

[late sapphire]

it has felt to me the other way

[celest valve]

someone forgot to add a single variable to the sum of rending sources in damage calcs. o o o p s

(it even grabs the proper rending amount! In the same function!)

[nocturne dust]

I dunno if anyone has ever actually checked that old claim

[late sapphire]

Tbh the way rending sources and such have to be explicitly enumerated is, well, extremely rancid

[celest valve]

(but then a few lines later the sum happens and ooops not included)

[marble crater]

To me as well, and I tried to test it but with the stacks not showing up half the time I gave up

[celest valve]

fuck actually I think I know exactly what happened there it's on a single line

[marble crater]

Someone should, for the greater good

[late sapphire]

Get extra buff bars

[celest valve]

anything to do with rending goes on that one line

[late sapphire]

I have my ws in the middle of the screen like a good psyker

[marble crater]

Console, no mods for me. I am at the mercy of fatshark improving the game and their UI

[celest valve]

while a merge request would add everything else, if you did anything else with rending, that merge request would conflict with all other rending system changes because of that single line

[late sapphire]

A horrific fate

[late sapphire]

Well, one line conflicts are easy to resolve

It's more of an issue that this is even in a line

[marble crater]

If I can survive the 2014 and 2001 errors, I can survive everything

[late sapphire]

Rather than being able to register + rending % from the talent itself

[celest valve]

so it's most likely that in the merge request implementing penetration of the soul, another merge request at the same time conflicted, and so the other merge request was resolved instead of the merge request implementing penetration of the soul

[late sapphire]

Ideally you'd want to be able to just write an extra talent somewhere and in that talent go 'check psyker status, if x then +y stat' and change nothing else

[celest valve]

yeah that's my point. The fact that it's all in one line means that merge requests for that single line has to be manually reviewed, and the two conflicting lines resolved somehow by an actual human.

[late sapphire]

Imagine if they fix this by just adding linebreaks it'd be funny i think

[celest valve]

that is literally how you'd solve it and prevent future merge errors, yes

you'd have a total_rending, and each line after that would add to total_rending

[late sapphire]

Well the way you'd ideally resolve this is to have a less dogshit structure

[celest valve]

so even if you had two merge requests at the same time adding or removing something from the rending code, they'd work no problem as long as they didn't try to change the same thing at once

also yes there is another solution, that is frequently present in the code, that... .well would have issues because of how ti works but there are conditionals to fix that :p

stat_buffs = { [stat_buffs.warp_damage_taken_multiplier] = 1.06, }

[ripe obsidian]

Allied kills do count for In Fire Reborn.

[celest valve]

hey did you want to know how complicated buffs work that depend on psyker peril?

[late sapphire]

Allied kills with warpfire damage?

[celest valve]

lerped_stat_buffs = { [stat_buffs.wield_speed] = { min = talent_settings.psyker_force_staff_wield_speed.min, max = talent_settings.psyker_force_staff_wield_speed.max, }, }

[ripe obsidian]

If an enemy dies while affected by warpfire.

[late sapphire]

Hm

[nocturne dust]

https://tenor.com/view/hot-fuzz-gif-24371395

[celest valve]

yeah there's just a lerp_t_func there that like... already does that checking. :p

[late sapphire]

So if i spray some flames and then fgs them in half it ought to work too

[ripe obsidian]

local valid_target = killed_unit_buff_extension and (killed_unit_buff_extension:has_keyword(keywords.warpfire_burning) or killed_unit_buff_extension:had_keyword(keywords.warpfire_burning))

Yes.

It should.

The way it is written, an enemy just has to have the warpfire_burning buff on them

[celest valve]

well okay and the rending talent also uses this it's just that the damage code is silly and sums it up... silly

[ripe obsidian]

https://github.com/Aussiemon/Darktide-Source-Code/blob/64dd68fdbbc28112761eaa2153040efe32204ad3/scripts/settings/buff/archetype_buff_templates/psyker_buff_templates.lua#L1941

[celest valve]

conditional_stat_buffs = { [stat_buffs.warp_attacks_rending_multiplier] = talent_settings.warp_attacks_rending.warp_rending, } possibly because there is no way to have conditionals based on the damage you deal?

https://github.com/Aussiemon/Darktide-Source-Code/blob/64dd68fdbbc28112761eaa2153040efe32204ad3/scripts/settings/buff/archetype_buff_templates/psyker_buff_templates.lua#L542 also knife code makes me cry

btw also for people reading the code: distances in code are generally distances squared. because, generally, it is far easier to check for the square of a length than it is to check for the length itself

cause pythagoream's theorm and not needing square roots I believe. if a triangle has sides a, b, and c, and sides a and b are at a 90 degree angle, then a^2 + b^2 = c^2

and so if you're just seeing if something is less than or equal to a certain distance, it's far easier to get the square of that distance and compare it to the squared length of C than it is to calculate a square root :3

math is fun.

[ripe obsidian]

Math is not fun.

Signed: English Major Gang.

[marble crater]

Meth is fun

[ripe obsidian]

Meth is not healthy.

[marble crater]

Says you

[celest valve]

i microdose meth for ADHD, 10/10

[dense flume]

Oh wow... Assuming you kill the enemy right ? What about if the soul blaze was from another psyker?

[marble crater]

If anyone kills them while affected with soulblaze

[celest valve]

the proc event is 'minion_death', which happens whenever an enemy dies afaik for any reason.

it requires either you to kill them with warpfire, or for them to have soulblaze on them when they died.

[ripe obsidian]

I have dextroamphetamine for that

[celest valve]

i mean same i just like calling it microdosing meth cause funny

[ripe obsidian]

Burninating the countryside, burninating the heretics

https://tenor.com/view/trogdor-gif-5283314

[celest valve]

while this theoretically applies for the soulblaze talent in warp charges too, psychic vampire is for reasons mentioned just better unless you are a super chad

[split lance]

Ya like dragons?

[ripe obsidian]

I like consummate Vs

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=90X5NJleYJQ

[split lance]

Oh it’s cuz I have a dragon tattoo

On my forearm

[ripe obsidian]

In my homebrew D&D setting, dragons were supposed to guard the world from outside forces. They they got bored and decided to conquer stuff instead.

[nocturne dust]

https://tenor.com/view/dancing-dancing-dragon-meme-dancing-dragon-how-to-train-your-dragon-gif-8073539544582318207

[young cliff]

Ok was there an official explanation why the special attack of the FGS takes so warp damnation long to charge? Still doing under auric missions and I only can fill the bars when there are no targets left and then it just decays until the next encounter! The loop makes no sense!

[half turtle]

i love lerped stat buffs

[celest valve]

literally, skill issue

You have 20 points. Human sized enemies off memory give you 1 point, tougher enemies like maulers and the like I think give 2(and specialists). ogryns give like... 4

[maiden oracle]

It fills up when you kill things so start killing more things

[celest valve]

get mk 8, throw wrath on it, kill horde

[nocturne dust]

plenty have found issue with the charge mechanic. You can only rely on it for stagger, and anything else generally requires it be your main weapon.

[nocturne dust]

🤮

[celest valve]

also it's a good weapon without it, special is basically illisi special

[nocturne dust]

mk 6 is superior

[celest valve]

it's not but

[maiden oracle]

Forgot what mark I used but I went riposte precog

[nocturne dust]

Illisi is a pretty bad weapon without the charge tho 💀

[young cliff]

I need to get into harder difficulty so I have even more things that will overwhelm me so I don't need to complain

[celest valve]

...charge?

[nocturne dust]

charge special

[maiden oracle]

Good job

[nocturne dust]

Just because we have more forms of charge doesn't mean I will change my terminology

[celest valve]

force greatsword special IS that for the melee component tho.

[young cliff]

Instructions unclear, horde is no more, didn't had a chance to use the charged special because all ded

[celest valve]

then use it for the 30 fucking gunners in the next room

[nocturne dust]

The range is not there for it

[young cliff]

Instructions unclear, by the time we are in that room there is no charge left in steel stick

[nocturne dust]

You might as well just use it for the stagger alone since it falls off so hard

[clear heath]

maybe stop spending 2 minutes staring at walls between rooms

[celest valve]

literally skill issue you lose 1 charge every 8 seconds or so

[young cliff]

It's calling recovering assets for the Morningstar

[nocturne dust]

which is pretty annoying when you can't overcap the charge

[celest valve]

ok so kill one enemy

or two

[nocturne dust]

That sounds like an annoying hassle

Can't use the ranged attack to hit at range, gotta run up first and smack a few dudes

Very good design

[celest valve]

or use charge 1 which is still good and kills hordes.]

[nocturne dust]

Only if you're right next to the horde

[young cliff]

It is, which is why I'm finding it quite odd design, I don't think its that Powerful, considering it does have a peril cost already

[nocturne dust]

Falloff is dumb on the slice

[clear heath]

steal kills on 5 crushers and you have a maxed out charge

[young cliff]

But isn't the weapon swings already good Vs horde?

[nocturne dust]

yes

[celest valve]

yes, you can kill 5 enemies a swing, or 50

[strong gulch]

@nocturne dust I figured out what the mic recording issue was. It was IN GAME mic, not discord mic, that was recorded.

[buoyant maple]

depends on what your definition of "good horde clear" is

[celest valve]

also very good in mixed hordes of course

[nocturne dust]

Glad you got it sorted.

[celest valve]

also it charges so fast just yeet level 2 whenever

[nocturne dust]

this is untrue

[celest valve]

skill issue.

[clear heath]

kill 5 ogryns

[nocturne dust]

You definitely don't have the ability to just yeet lvl 2 whenever even if you main the weapon

[celest valve]

20 kills, or 10 vaguely tough enemies like ragers

or 5 ogryn

[young cliff]

I'm usually to focused on killer mode (gaze) to remember or need it (might change in harder modes)

[celest valve]

you kill like 500 enemies a mission bruh.

[nocturne dust]

Sure.

[young cliff]

2000 with ease

[nocturne dust]

Doesn't mean it's not a lot for an attack with huge falloff.

[young cliff]

Yeah, the faloff is noticeable

[celest valve]

skill issue(get rending)

[young cliff]

It staggers but doesn't necessarily will kill as much

[nocturne dust]

Point me to a single source of rending

[clear heath]

I like seeing my cooldown go zoom when i get a bunch of shotgunners with psykinetics aura
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1046914150363844779/1315875922703941663/fgs_havoc_shotgunners.mp4?ex=6766d833&is=676586b3&hm=69f55e1edc282e40357c0f703325f2244cb00b46501d052273372a6ded0122ab&

[maiden oracle]

That was clean

[celest valve]

ok fair but seriously just yeet it at big ghroups

[nocturne dust]

Like, it's not bad and can be very useful, it just has a lot of annoying things about it that are completely unnecessary

[celest valve]

kinda fair tbh

[maiden oracle]

Kill a lot of things and use the charge to kill even more things

[celest valve]

but fixing it would probably need like... double the charges at least imo

[clear heath]

Idk i don't find decay an issue

[celest valve]

well if it's not a primary weapon you're basically getting warp slashes off on hordes

btw you count as blocking i believe while charging the special, and you can cancel it straight into a block then a push block without leaving block

[nocturne dust]

Also Warp Slice should totally give you a free max charge slice instead of a dumb crit

Fug u Fatshark

https://tenor.com/view/star-wars-rogue-one-krennic-this-c-lose-gif-10935154

[celest valve]

i'll be honest warp slice needs a better finesse modifier :p

[nocturne dust]

Doesn't it not hit weakspots anyway

[celest valve]

it's like +50% damage LOL

finnessee matters for crit damage.

[clear heath]

simply believe harder and crit without it

[nocturne dust]

wat, no

You get hit while using the special and your charge gets instantly deleted

[celest valve]

while pressing the special button, 0.6s block

[nocturne dust]

o

[celest valve]

can be canceled into block after like 0.55s

[nocturne dust]

Maybe? Haven't tested the special charge animation

[clear heath]

ngl i haven't tried it

[celest valve]

(modified by attack speed)

[clear heath]

i just try not to get hit while doing it

[nocturne dust]

Just don't get hit

[celest valve]

push block doesn't use the charge either

only light or heavy attack does

[nocturne dust]

Imagine you just open your hand and a warp slice comes out

[celest valve]

i think +1 charge level would work tho

[buoyant maple]

I think it's a missed opportunity for force greatswords to not have more blessings that interact with the special attack mechanic

[clear heath]

blazing spirit not interacting with it is sad

[nocturne dust]

https://tenor.com/view/rogue-one-verge-of-greatness-gif-13754250

[celest valve]

also yes +1 charge level this means CHARGE LEVEL 3

[nocturne dust]

although Blazing Spirit requiring a crit on melee is still 💀

[zinc phoenix]

No it’s already great

But it could be better!

[nocturne dust]

We will never have good fire sword 😔

[nocturne dust]

[buoyant maple]

there's a chance

[nocturne dust]

Do not speak lies, heretic

[buoyant maple]

since they only released 2 force greatsword variants

[zinc phoenix]

Also the crit on special blessing is goated

[nocturne dust]

Blazing Spirit is Blazing Stupidity

[zinc phoenix]

You have a free guaranteed 1s evasion

[buoyant maple]

maybe the eventual 3rd will have a different empowered attack

[nocturne dust]

[buoyant maple]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/894568981946576916.gif?size=48&name=FloppaShake&quality=lossless

[zinc phoenix]

It’s a “you fucked up but it’s ok” blessing

[nocturne dust]

https://tenor.com/view/itysl-i-think-you-should-leave-tim-robinson-done-kill-gif-23115674

[zinc phoenix]

Saved my life several times

Coal runs it, I’m not the only one 😂

[nocturne dust]

Deflector:

https://tenor.com/view/side-eye-suspicious-puppet-gif-2729624127692369191

[zinc phoenix]

Deflector doesn’t make the special massively more killy in the bargain

[nocturne dust]

Neither does warp slice

[celest valve]

nothing helps the special.

[zinc phoenix]

The special critting surely makes it do extra damage

Surely

[celest valve]

+50% only

[zinc phoenix]

Ok well 50% of “lots” is “LOTS”

[nocturne dust]

not really

[buoyant maple]

how is the moonlight sweep projectile coded anyway

is it melee or ranged damage

[celest valve]

no.

[nocturne dust]

1st charge is still for hordes, 2nd for baby elites

nothing has changed

[celest valve]

ok so.

It is a 'melee' warp attack that ignores all weapon stats and modifiers.

[zinc phoenix]

Reee

[buoyant maple]

oh that's tragic

so true aim doesn't work with it

gg

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/894568981946576916.gif?size=48&name=FloppaShake&quality=lossless

[nocturne dust]

I hate the way Fatshark designed this

[celest valve]

literally. all. damage doesn't even matter, you can try for yourself. first damage does a fixed 100 damage only modified by global damage boosts like warp rending or whatever

also no weakspot hits

[maiden oracle]

Would it be easier to maintain 15 destiny stacks as normal or melee psyker

[nocturne dust]

Fatshark this is dumber than the dumbest warframe design

[analog agate]

I called it when they showed the gif. But I was the party pooper

[maiden oracle]

I’m tryna do the kinetic, shield, and destiny penances all in one build lmao

[young cliff]

This HURTS my soul

[patent mango]

to be fair balancing doesnt exist in warframe

[nocturne dust]

"Here let me introduce this attack that is super unique and doesn't work with anything except 1 specific blessing that is very worthless"

wtf Fatshark

[celest valve]

i mean charge level 1 will WITH WARP BOOSTS still oneshot damnation hordes, and charge level 2 elites

[patent mango]

idek what dmg bonuses affect the warp slice

[zinc phoenix]

I love the charge attack

[celest valve]

but like because it ignores all weapon stats, that includes all perks. damage boosts like +25% maniac? nothing

[zinc phoenix]

Idc if it’s weird and stuff, it mows stuff down

[celest valve]

is it on the greatsword? No work. Go directly to jail.

[buoyant maple]

+dmg talents don't affect it either??

[celest valve]

(except for crit procs because the crit or no crit is I think based off the attack)

they do

[zinc phoenix]

Wait so everything that boosts crit still works for the special?

So for instance if I am in SG and I have my boosted crit, the crit chance of the special is also boosted?

[buoyant maple]

yes

I think

[zinc phoenix]

How about crit damage modifiers from DD?

[buoyant maple]

that's global so yes

[zinc phoenix]

Does the crit benefit from finesse from the skill tree?

Oh fuck yeah

Yeah bby

[celest valve]

ok so testing. I will show case stuff on this BIG BOI OGRYN WITH A GUN. they're uh. big.

[buoyant maple]

if smth is a global buff it'll apply to any and everything

[celest valve]

...

ok unstable peril works i hate the code.

[zinc phoenix]

OH GAWD OH FUCK 😂

so if I use unstable with guaranteed crit + sg + dd and I max out peril that thing is gonna absolutely slay isn’t it

[celest valve]

probably not because finesse damage is scaled off the finesse damage it already has

anyway infested 115 damage at the peril from a single slash

[haughty star]

IF YOU DONT GET WHACKED BY A RANDOM POXWALKER THAT SPAWNED BEHIND YOU

[zinc phoenix]

With no charge yeah?

[haughty star]

[zinc phoenix]

that’s pretty good

[celest valve]

ya

[zinc phoenix]

Just do a force push before using it

It works fine 🤷‍♀️ I always get it off

[nocturne dust]

That definitely works on a horde of crushers

[celest valve]

it does

[haughty star]

I tend to do a quick 360 of pushes before I charge

[celest valve]

well

[zinc phoenix]

I force push and then push attack them in the head one at a time

[nocturne dust]

It doesn't

[celest valve]

at least one crusher

[nocturne dust]

Yes

[haughty star]

Lol

[nocturne dust]

Only 1

[zinc phoenix]

I think the most I’ve worked thru in melee is like 10 in a blob with just force push and stab

It’s a little slow but it works

[buoyant maple]

how does the "cleave" work for the moonlight swing projectile again

[young cliff]

Isn't the push already 360? I don't think you need to(?)

[celest valve]

it doesn't

(infinite)

[buoyant maple]

does it go through carapace or no

[haughty star]

Yes

[zinc phoenix]

So my spamming of the special to damage hordes and charge peril is actually doing pretty serious damage to them

[celest valve]

https://www.reddit.com/r/DarkTide/comments/1h85olt/i_like_the_force_greatsword/

[zinc phoenix]

Interesting

[hearty wolf]

Ree

[buoyant maple]

oh so it's got built in sunder, cool

[celest valve]

it is a wave that hits everything it passes through, unaffected by the other, although with falloff after like... some distance

[haughty star]

I wonder if the slash does anything to the proccing attack

[celest valve]

it's an illisi slash. animation looks the same, but heavy does more than light attack.

charge level doesn't matter tho other than it potentially hitting twice

[zinc phoenix]

I think you nerds have been dismissing the special but it’s legit goated and you should be taking advantage of it more tbh

If you aren’t illsi is that way 👇

[young cliff]

So you always want to charge that moonblade swing

[analog agate]

Jokes on me. I still use the ds iv

[haughty star]

If anything illisi gains more off the slash and it makes more sense to spam it on there lol

[zinc phoenix]

You should just spam it on hordes there’s no reason not to and it chops em up

Get some slashes in but it’s free peril and MM charges

[celest valve]

this looks like the edge of full damage range against most enemies, it seems shorter/more linear against carapace iunno

[zinc phoenix]

But if you think you’re gonna need to mulch some big boys start slicing horde for soul fot sure

[haughty star]

Other than 8 second long animation and slow swing I'd be inclined to agree

[celest valve]

0.6s :p

[zinc phoenix]

Compared to power sword activation it’s positively snappy

[haughty star]

Literally an eternity

[celest valve]

bruh.

[zinc phoenix]

If you’re getting sexually harassed by a pox walker in that time it’s on you 😂

[celest valve]

0.6s

[zinc phoenix]

Wear less revealing clothes 🤦‍♀️

[haughty star]

Power sword is so dumb

[celest valve]

that you are considered blocking during

[young cliff]

Power sword activation into block attack for quick stab in enemy head was a game changer for me

[zinc phoenix]

FGS is honestly way better

[celest valve]

look i know i love psyker too because it's cool shiny magic that entertains ADHD brain but could you try to be less easily bored during even short animations :c

wait

are you waiting for the charge to reach the t ip of the sword?

...do you wait for every animation to finish before trying to do something else?

[zinc phoenix]

I do when I want to look cool but you can absolutely snapshot it

[young cliff]

Wait, you people don't try cancel every animation there is? I know that with PS if you do it too fast it can only trigger the empowered for one stab but I'm sure you can cancel the FGS anim

[haughty star]

Its just clunky feeling and the slow swing kinda kills the vibes. It's nice to switch to illisi or deimos every once in a while to do some more fast paced damage.

[burnt gazelle]

Iiii don't think that's true, is it?

[celest valve]

oh i think i know how finesse works now

[zinc phoenix]

I rely on good looks and a suave demeanor more than animation hacking 🤵‍♀️

[young cliff]

At least in my experience cancelling the PS activation too soon sometimes doesn't give me the 3 empowered swings

[celest valve]

the FGS is frankly ludicrously busted with animation canceling, it(like all weapons with wield attacks) has a 0 second wield animation basically

with cancelling

[young cliff]

I feel it has a unsheath attack coded in it

[celest valve]

it does.

wield attack

it's a slightly different left side attack

[quick tulip]

Shwi n g

[celest valve]

(you can remember weapon chains by where your hand is after)

[burnt gazelle]

hmmm, iirc it should give you the activation but only for an attack chain so you might not be chaining the follow ups when you stab too quick

do you still get the downward stab l4 next after the stab when the combos stops being empowered after the stab

[young cliff]

I just leave the warp corrupted part of my brain manage that, I just go brrr swinging

[celest valve]

i'd have to check but basically how the 'powerup' works is that they go into a special... special only attack series

with special animations

[young cliff]

Can't test it but from past memory after the empowered stab the subsequent ones don't have empowered damage, it's a rare case but it happened to me

[celest valve]

(yes the powered up thing is an animation.)

[young cliff]

You can do it so you get stab>swing>swing all empowered

But if too fast it only empowers the stab

[burnt gazelle]

hmm, it empowers for one combo when i was testing it, so if you're doing PA -> L -> L -> L, it should be stab downward cut horizontal slash horizontal slash

when i was getting it disempowered after the stab it was because i waited too long after the stab so it just started a regular combo (like from neutral or smth)

but it might also be related to all the recent bugs with like getitng hit disabling empowered combos and stuff, admittedly i haven't played PS for a whiiiile now

so i could also just be out of touch lol

[celest valve]

anyway without attack speed if i am mathing right it's 0.425 seconds for the first light swing, and like... 0.92s for the first heavy swing(mk 8, which is faster and better)

[young cliff]

You are considering not stabbing with the empowered hit? I usually want to hit with it for easy headshot

[celest valve]

also i think attack speed only applies to half of heavy weapon animations

because you still need like 0.4s of charge time before you are even allowed to do a heavy attack?

although for sprinting I think you want to hold down the button for exactly 1.5s to get the most out of the speed boost

ok wow so that's why I see everyone complaining that the greatsword is slow, that's just them being bad at animation cancelling

[patent mango]

mk6 gaming

[plucky flax]

[nocturne dust]

No, even with the speed boost from heavies it's not that fast

🤷‍♂️

[celest valve]

proper shifting into another attack or action after heavy 1 of the mk8 results in a 87.5% movement speed modifier

[nocturne dust]

[patent mango]

what about mk6

[buoyant maple]

attack speed is not strict attack speed

it's coded as attack animation speed

which affects each attack's combo chain time

meaning it'll end up affecting some attacks more than others

[celest valve]

yeah, but the melee_start animations aren't affected by attack speed

and you can't chain into the heavy until you stay in that for a minimum amount

otherwise it begins a light attack

[buoyant maple]

melee_start would be base attack interval

[nocturne dust]

I would genuinely like to see an execution of this because I'm not seeing it at all

[celest valve]

not for light attacks, because there's no chain interval for a number of actions like unwielding the weapon(this is why assail weaving is a thing) or light attack(done when you release attack)

[celest valve]

well tbh combat knife is still faster because geeze it has silly modifiers

[nocturne dust]

well, sure, but what should it be faster than?

[celest valve]

also i still need tof igure out if low timescales are good or bad

[nocturne dust]

cuz even with animation cancelling I can't get it to be fast at all

[celest valve]

@nocturne dust well also what are the stats of your sword you're using :x

is it maxed or

[nocturne dust]

It's maxed

Dumping warp res

[celest valve]

ok yeah with that and the +10% attack speed that is the max stuff

...oh uh which mark

[nocturne dust]

I tested both marks

and yes I have the atk spd boost

[celest valve]

how much do you dodge and slide and sprint

[wind spruce]

So it slows you down?

[celest valve]

after speeding you up!

but if you miss it by even 0.2 seconds it slows down to 50% movement speed

[nocturne dust]

I tested with and without sliding

[celest valve]

i do really like the snappiness of the slide light attack

very cool golfswing, if aimed right can decapitate flak units

ok i think i confirmed: high timescale bad ,low good

so mk8 with it's 0.85 timescale v v good

[nocturne dust]

timescale for wat

[marble crater]

There has been a lot of math in psyker chat today, I will peril soon

[celest valve]

                modifier = 1.25,
                t = 0.45,
            },
            {
                modifier = 0.5,
                t = 0.47,
            }``` also for heavy sprint

the modifier is the movement speed modifier

and t is time in seconds

you can cancel into a melee attack at t = 0.45, or t = 0.4 for a block/special

[nocturne dust]

Cancelling like that will have a problematic uptime, no?

[celest valve]

what do you mean

[nocturne dust]

If you have to constantly cancel your speed will be repeatedly hit, right?

[celest valve]

afaik no? you just go into the speed curve of the next animation

[nocturne dust]

An 800% bonus active for 0.1 seconds out of 10 is bad, for an extreme example

[nocturne dust]

right, but that means the you aren't at that max speed boost

[celest valve]

well so the heavy melee sprint has a speed boost for about 0.3s. You're at 1.25x movement speed when you cancel it. You cancel it into a melee_start_left which goes to 1x movement speed, slowing down to 0.75x over the next 0.05s... but cause it was buffered during the chain time, this is ignored because it can immediately chain to action_light_1

then melee_start_right, which if you chain into an overhead heavy_2 will slow down to about like 0.5x before a sudden burst of 1.5x movement speed decaying to 1.25x over 0.4s

(this is what lets you basically back up out of range of an enemy and then lunge in just before it impacts)

actually tbh this trick might should be taught in the tutorial :x while attacking or chaining, you can dodge backwards just after a weapon hits. Then you ready your next attack outside of weapon range(or even slot range, no attacks possible) and lunge back into range just in time for the next attack to hit.

[hearty wolf]

Pokey dance

[nocturne dust]

That doesn't sound very fast to me in practicality

[celest valve]

except with the FGS you can hit from THIS far away lol

[strong gulch]

that's what it's all about

[radiant frigate]

big sword

that is all

[celest valve]

so when you dodge back, this is how far away you'll be :3

and cause of the speed boost you'll be able to move in during the speed boost I'm talking about to hit the enemy with just the tip

before yeeting back away again to what is basically 'ranged'

(i think that's actually just barely inside 8 meters, actually)

(aka coherency range)

[zinc phoenix]

Yeah I love that about it, I do slide attacks on gunners with it

[celest valve]

yeeee that's what i do too

slide underneath bullet then FORE

[hearty wolf]

Is that the same swing the relic sword has? Because I fucking hate that uppercut

[celest valve]

uhhhhhhhhhhh

maybe?

[nocturne dust]

I want bigger

[hearty wolf]

If you're in game, take smol clip for me?

[celest valve]

oh, no, it's not quite that

and sorry i cannot ;..; i do not have a tool to do that

[hearty wolf]

Aw is okay

[celest valve]

which mk btw

oh right i don't have mark switching yet

[hearty wolf]

For relic sword, MK2. H3 in particular

Ah

Relic sword defaults to mk10

I can send later

[celest valve]

it's basically a swing from the left in like a 60 degree angle, from low to the ground to above their head

the relic blade lokos like it swings from the right on sprint, instead of the left psykers do

you have a much cooler heavy charge attack tho :v

[strong gulch]

Do you play on steam?

[zinc phoenix]

I don’t think I’ve tried the other mark of relic sword yet 😂

Idk which mark I even used

[hearty wolf]

Ah the relic sword starts from downwards. And imo, that's complete dogshit

Some people like it

[celest valve]

(i think our sprint attack is basically your slide attack)

[hearty wolf]

But if you swing and you're next to a target, you literally need to aim completely up

It feels stupid

[celest valve]

no yours goes from a 30 degree angle down to up

oh you need to do that with the golf swing too lol

but it feels satisfying because it's actually a linesman attack I think that does high precision damage?

[wicked hornet]

would you take wildfire on a blazing spirit trauma staff build? this is for havoc.

[celest valve]

god your relic sword is so goddamn tiny

it's like a fricken toothpick

[hearty wolf]

It does have pretty good output but if you're looking up, you're not looking in front. Just don't think it fits with pace of play

[celest valve]

1.15 weapon length lmao seriously and your highest range modifier is 1.3x

[hearty wolf]

But relic sword does funny lightning crackle :(

[nocturne dust]

I hate relic sword

[hearty wolf]

Why

[celest valve]

FGS: 1.8 meter range tops i think
relic sword: 1.55 with the stab lel

[nocturne dust]

I like simple combos. Light spam for hordes, heavy spam for elites, or similar stuff.

[celest valve]

ok i will say though that the special on the relic sword is WAY. FUCKING. BETTER.

[nocturne dust]

Relic Sword bad for that

[celest valve]

like holy shit it's everything awesome about the heavy eviscerator turned up to 11

[hearty wolf]

For the ranged attack, how far is the range?

[prime elk]

specials on fgs and relic sword aren't directly comparable lol

both are very good

[celest valve]

yes

[patent jacinth]

4 meters when I tested it

[strong gulch]

If you can fit it, yes. If you're the only bubble psyker and bubbles are thin, warp battery is more important.

But I don't know the full context or if you're even doing bubble.

[hearty wolf]

Ah right yeah. I like it specifically because of the opposite

[patent jacinth]

Are you sure you aren't converting meters to meters like they were feet

[celest valve]

i honestly do not know

[wicked hornet]

this game and it's ppl confuse me. Like I hear ER is bad and shouldn't use it on staves.

[celest valve]

there might be animation differences too

[nocturne dust]

~28 meters iirc

[hearty wolf]

WOO

[wicked hornet]

I am running bubble

[celest valve]

also

i just remembered the range depends on charge level

[hearty wolf]

Damage drop off?

[celest valve]

https://github.com/Aussiemon/Darktide-Source-Code/blob/64dd68fdbbc28112761eaa2153040efe32204ad3/scripts/settings/equipment/weapon_templates/force_swords_2h/settings_templates/force_sword_2h_damage_profile_templates.lua#L806

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