psyker-class

[plucky flax]

Literally dc'd for 5s and came back to instant loss.

During mid event communal havoc 34.

[hearty wolf]

wonderful, that means you're free. Come

[plucky flax]

2 burga but the other guy did no soulblaze damage

[plucky flax]

I can't even play in my local server playing US server would just be pain.

[hearty wolf]

Oh yeah

[plucky flax]

Maybe wifi tomorrow is better.

[analog agate]

It happened to me when we played one of our first havocs. He just walked and I died

[bitter pelican]

chat how memeworthy is desperado on the lasguns?

is it worth a shot, and does empathic proc it?

thinking of giving it a go for a couple of runs and seeing how I like it, tried it out in the psykanium but empathic didn't seem to proc the additional crit chance.

[muted grove]

can you affect what stats get boosted more or less when empowering? life if i wanted to boost my 60% dmg to 80% on a purg staff while keeping warp resist low?

[bitter pelican]

as far as I'm aware its RNG and you just have to stop when you're in the breakpoints.

[left dagger]

finally, only took me tree fiddy million ordos

[muted grove]

WHAT HOW

[left dagger]

whats the breakpoint on cloud radius, do i still do 80 cloud radious? i know burn is 76

[radiant frigate]

probably garbage (just get dumdum)

[nocturne dust]

Just dump warp res

[bold cape]

*appears*

am i late

i j woke up

[bitter pelican]

😭 my heart is breaking.

desperado though it sounds so cool

desperado infernus

[hearty wolf]

Hello! We running with someone else atm xd

[muted grove]

how

[nocturne dust]

wdym how

just roll Brunt's gacha until you get one with a max of 60% warp res

[muted grove]

i did but by the time i upgrade it , itll still have a higher warp res, esp if i want to get cloud radius to 80

[nocturne dust]

that's not the max then, which is the right number

[muted grove]

I have this

[nocturne dust]

Right

[muted grove]

but im worried itll turn into this

which is the main one im using

[nocturne dust]

wdym 'turn into'

that's perfect

[muted grove]

i was hoping to not fully upgrade it so that i could get just the stats i need with a really low warp res lmao, idk if thats as common as i think it is

i wasnt sure if there was a way to accomplish that

[nocturne dust]

I mean some people do that

buuuuuuut you still want to max every other stat soooooooo

[muted grove]

like this

ah so its not super worthwhile?

[half turtle]

i think if you can get cloud radius and burn to max you're probably good to go

if you get a good enough roll you can have like 78+ everything and <50 warp res

im not sure if it's really worth optimizing for though

[nocturne dust]

not at all

[half turtle]

it's also really annoying because it makes it hard to find in your inventory

in practice i think you notice it a little bit if you're running shriek with 3 cdr curios and warp charges + fire reborn and cdr everything

but otherwise you don't really notice it too much

[half turtle]

in this case you can also still be fine if you spam quell-cancel lmb because it generates peril faster than chargeup rmb

[hearty wolf]

@bold cape

are you alive now

[bold cape]

i am

is there space

[hearty wolf]

Strike team 4

[bold cape]

can i have 5 minutes to get on rq

[hearty wolf]

Mhm

[uneven mirage]

i swear i wiped less 35+ havocs than sub20 ones

[half turtle]

only sweaty tryhards are on 35+

[maiden oracle]

What perks and blessings for flamestaff

[prime elk]

warp nexus + blaze away / flakiac

[strong gulch]

You can also to flak + unyielding (especially if you don't have unyielding on your melee).

Allows you to do more direct and dot damage to bosses while also killing and protecting ur team from a horde. Also helps kill reapers and bulwarks faster.

[nocturne dust]

I crashed @hearty wolf

[fallen yacht]

my havoc 37 is clandestum gloriana

it is legit impossible

[nocturne dust]

@hearty wolf @bold cape @livid spear ggs

[bold cape]

[nocturne dust]

looking at my Darktide steam recording and seeing all the breaks in the bar where I crashed

[bold cape]

might give rending trauma a go next time

[nocturne dust]

Rending Trauma is actually really good in concert with Pen Flames Inferno

[bold cape]

alrighty perfect then

[hearty wolf]

GGs.

Only made two major mistakes there I guess.

1. The god tier flamer who singled me out (I need to figure out what I was supposed to do there)

2. Not staying in the elevator (I was worried they would just grenade and pin us in there but leaving was some other hell. That could have maybe been tricky to deal with if the bubble went down in the elevator too)

[wind spruce]

The extra 20% from pen flames only helps against crushers, right?

[hearty wolf]

That game on smelter complex though

Holy shit

I went crazy

I feel like I did something else wrong but I forgot

[wind spruce]

(Specifically in terms of soulblaze)

[buoyant maple]

Yes
But rending shockwave goes up to 40% of regular brittleness which stacks additively with penetrating flame for up to 60% brittleness and that changes things a lot

[hearty wolf]

The penetrating flame is mainly for the team either way though, no?

[nocturne dust]

No? It's still brittleness

I mean, practically speaking, it doesn't help against crushers much unless you can stack it with other brittleness (which is the one thing pen flames can do, which is weird cuz it goes over the normal 40% limit)

but it does help against all the usual things brittleness works against

It's just not very meaningful compared to stacking soulblaze harder

[hearty wolf]

I'm pretty sure I feel it for sure though. After I see something has been burned for awhile, I usually forego heavies for lights since I know it's on deaths door anyway

Soulblaze higher though means more elite kills which means more afk chorus gameplay for me

I have work in 3 hours, what am I doing LMAO

[nocturne dust]

I mean, Pen Flame seems designed around team play

Like, the way it stacks means it needs another player to help it along, and on top of that it has a very short duration so you can't really take advantage of it yourself as an Inferno psyker

and the brittleness helps the whole team, whereas rending would only help yourself

[wind spruce]

Isn't the only armour modifier below 0.6 carapace?

So if you have full stacks from trauma you're hitting cap

[hearty wolf]

That's not how armour works?

[wind spruce]

Well hence why I'm asking

How does it work pls

[nocturne dust]

For one, you get bonus damage if you get enough rending/brittleness

[wind spruce]

Yeah I was discounting that for simplicity, shouldve said

[nocturne dust]

It's minor compared to getting that modifier to 1.0, but it's there

Because soulblaze has a 1.0 modifier against non-carapace iirc, that bonus damage is entirely what pen flame is doing for the Inferno staff (unless the direct damage has different modifiers but I haven't checked that)

[wind spruce]

I thought some had a 0.75 but I could be misremembering

[nocturne dust]

Like, if Pen Flame was a straight damage boost, it would probably be significantly better than Warp nexus

[strong gulch]

But also if you are really glued together coherency wise and you have a purg user paired with a trauma user, seems sensible to make the trauma rending because of the blazing spirit cap.

[nocturne dust]

Yeah, it definitely makes sense to not go blazing trauma on top of purg anyway

both because of stack cap and stealing the first stack which removes Blaze Away

[wind spruce]

So I'm not seeing what I'm missing

[strong gulch]

If I was better at longer range trauma, then blazing spirit might be better in terms of just the trauma user.

Team wise yeah, it would feck with blaze away.

[nocturne dust]

wdym, what would you be missing?

[wind spruce]

Well they said that's not how armour works

[zinc phoenix]

Where do people stand on blaze rending vs nexus blaze for high havoc for trauma

[wind spruce]

And you seemed to explain that it is, in fact, how armour works

[nocturne dust]

I mean, Soulblaze's carapace modifier is 0.1 iirc?

[wind spruce]

You add the brittleness/rending onto the armour multiplier

[nocturne dust]

Yes

[wind spruce]

(And then calculate the bonus from extra rending/brittleness over the cap)

[nocturne dust]

Yes

[zinc phoenix]

Brittle is for team right?

[nocturne dust]

Basically, yeah

[zinc phoenix]

Rending is for self?

[nocturne dust]

yes

Brittleness is the debuff

which means the whole team can benefit

[zinc phoenix]

Ok, I am kinda into brittle trauma

[wind spruce]

Also I was wrong @nocturne dust most of them are 1.5

Armour type Armour modifier
Unarmoured 1.5
Infested 1.25
Flak 1.5
Maniac 1.0
Unyielding 1.5
Carapace 0.1

[buoyant maple]

Let’s say Soulblaze has a funny 0.01 ADM vs carapace, hypothetically
If a teammate applies all 16 stacks of 2.5% brittleness on a crusher, that would boost soulblaze’s ADM to 0.41 vs carapace
Add penetrating flame blessing on your own fire staff and all Soulblaze now have up to 0.61 ADM vs carapace which is a x6100% increase in DPS

[wind spruce]

Awesome, that's exactly how I thought it worked

[nocturne dust]

Yummy 0.7 ADM 🤤

[buoyant maple]

In this case, with my example, you’d go from 0.1
To 0.5 (max rending shockwave applied = 16 stacks of 2.5% brittleness) which is x500% increase
To up to x0.7 with penetrating flame for x700% increase

[zinc phoenix]

Lots of fire!

[wind spruce]

Hence why I said "nothing's below 0.6 except for carapace" in the context of trauma which can add 0.4

[strong gulch]

Imo, if ur the only psyker fire trauma (nexus + blazigning) or standard purg (nexus + blaze away) are the gold stadards.

BUT if you have a purg on the team, then rending (actually brittleness) flurry trauma is better as a duo (especially if the purg user is doing pen flames). Pen flames is better if you don't peril edge.

Blaze away buff apparently needs to be the first application otherwise it doesn't work.

[zinc phoenix]

I’ve been trying rending + blaze as an alternative one

It works okish

I get some fire and a lot of brittle

[analog agate]

I still much prefer regular blaze trauma to adding on rending

[hearty wolf]

Ignore me, I'm completely out of it. I misread that it was in the context of soulblaze - I was thinking you were saying that pen flame was bad for some reason.

Sos

[strong gulch]

If trauma is the main tool ur using, I do not like rending blaze trauma. If it is to set up ur melee and melee is ur main tool, it seems alright.

[zinc phoenix]

I think the brittle blast is most useful for helping vs boss and mob21

[wind spruce]

Well I wasn't NOT saying that

[hearty wolf]

It does its job, let's just say that

[zinc phoenix]

Probably also does good against carapace blobs but eh in that case I mostly have to juggle em forever either way

I think I’ll stick to ole reliable blaze nexus since I have stupid amounts of time with it and it’s what I’m used to

[analog agate]

Armor isn’t really the problem in havoc. So I value rending the same as auric. I don’t

[zinc phoenix]

Idk I have seen some truly massive carapace blobs

[nocturne dust]

How dare you besmirch my favorite Inferno blessing

[wind spruce]

I heard uncanny is actually F tier on duelling sword

[zinc phoenix]

I think ds massively overrated in havoc

[nocturne dust]

Zealot nonsense

[analog agate]

Yeah…. Some influencer or something said that…. Hmmm

[wind spruce]

Gotta free up a spot for precog so it can hardly ever be active

[buoyant maple]

This is kind of a zealot only thing because duellist (talent) is insanely overtuned

[nocturne dust]

Bruh, it only shows how strong it is even more

[hearty wolf]

Depends on how the team is playing tbh, I think it exemplifies it if anything

[buoyant maple]

Most people don’t know how duellist actually works

[wind spruce]

Why is duellist relevant?

[hearty wolf]

It's broken honest to god

[buoyant maple]

Because duellist is 2 buffs

[hearty wolf]

And it applies to ranged too

[wind spruce]

It's weakspot and crit, essentially finesse, right?

[buoyant maple]

Duellist is +50% weakspot finesse, +50% crit finesse
These are 2 separate buffs that add up when you Crit weakspot hit

So you essentially got deadly accurate for all Crit weakspot hits

Plus precognition of +60%

[wind spruce]

So how does that affect the % value provided by uncanny

[buoyant maple]

You now have +160% finesse on a Crit weakspot hit

[wind spruce]

Especially when finesse stacks additively

[buoyant maple]

Because zealot gets to silly melee crit chance and this allows duellist + precog to hit much harder than uncanny does on crits

[hearty wolf]

Don't need rending if enemy is dead

[wind spruce]

Wait how 160

[wind spruce]

THERE WE GO

It's because of the crit ADMs

[buoyant maple]

50% weakspot finesse
50% crit finesse
60% total finesse

These are additive

[wind spruce]

Oh holy shit I get you

[buoyant maple]

Yea

[wind spruce]

Nerf duellist

[buoyant maple]

This is a zealot only thing

[nocturne dust]

wait

it's crit finesse

[wind spruce]

But still

[nocturne dust]

[buoyant maple]

Veteran doesn’t hit remotely as hard as zealot with duelling sword

[wind spruce]

It's not because of duellist that uncanny is inferior

[potent echo]

Duellist is so strong for a small little node on the tree

[wind spruce]

It's because of the crit ADMs

[potent echo]

Should have been a keystone or something

[buoyant maple]

It’s multi-faceted
For one, you’ll realize that duelling sword’s general ADM outside of carapace is quite good

Unyielding is ~1.0

[strong gulch]

DS on zealot was a good idea. /s

[buoyant maple]

But duelling sword has very high crit finesse vs unyielding & carapace (like most melee weapons)

Result of this is, building crit simply does more against those 2 Armor types, usually

[zinc phoenix]

Wish they had never made that change. Used to see a lot of gear diversity but now it’s just ds ds ds

[potent echo]

Knife also could go full canny and crit

[zinc phoenix]

Even on builds where ds straight up makes no sense

[potent echo]

Although there's not much reason to use knife anymore outside of boss dps

[buoyant maple]

Compared to uncanny being as low as +25% damage against some armor types
More crit to abuse duellist + precog on a weapon with innately high ADMs just does more most of the time
Again, this is more of a zealot only thing

[deft stump]

Is knife but better. Inf dodge.

[wind spruce]

That's all I'm saying really. It's just fallacious to say that duellist is the reason uncanny isn't needed (isolating carapace) when adding precog is actually diminishing returns in terms of % damage gained BECAUSE of duellist. It's only once you add in the absurd crit rate that the equation changes

[zinc phoenix]

Yeah I know, but people take it on builds with no cleave and then we get mogged by the mob21 😂

[deft stump]

Martyrdom over funny crits?

[zinc phoenix]

I have actually seen some martyrdom ds

[deft stump]

But knife is the same unless mk6.

[buoyant maple]

Yea but zealot is like
You either are all in on crits or you’re playing IJ
Duelling sword happens to land in the former

[deft stump]

Hi. Also my GF.

[buoyant maple]

So in their context it makes sense

[wind spruce]

I agree in their context

[zinc phoenix]

Also I saw a very good ogryn in a 39

[wind spruce]

Just not with the usual justification

[zinc phoenix]

I completely stole his build and am gonna try it 😂

[buoyant maple]

In veteran’s scenario it’s a bit different
Like
U can go uncanny and get a stupidly boring melee weapon

[deft stump]

You trade more crits for more stabby.

[buoyant maple]

But veteran has enough melee talents that going crit is not bad either

Veteran can 2 hit crusher (normal game) with 1 Crit weakspot + 1 weakspot

Without uncanny

Uncanny just simplifies that process that u don’t need crits

[wind spruce]

You know what's boring? Sitting around all day without precog active

[buoyant maple]

I don’t like precog either

[wind spruce]

MY G

[analog agate]

I use precog now on sword. For boss dmg. I… still can’t really tell a difference between it and riposte though

[strong gulch]

I can understand precog being used over there in zealot land. I don't get it when zealot mains put it on their DS for psyker.

[wind spruce]

Imagine liking a blessing that is LITERALLY never active

[wind spruce]

If you're running DD riposte gives a higher dps yield vs monstrosities

[buoyant maple]

Riposte > precog imo

[wind spruce]

Because of additive finesse scaling

[buoyant maple]

For basically any weapon that has those blessings available

[wind spruce]

Riposte will always be king

[nocturne dust]

Shred > Riposte

[analog agate]

I never run DD. This is for my trauma stuff. This is more for trying to get more burst dmg when dueling bosses

[nocturne dust]

Imagine dodging

[buoyant maple]

If u pay attention to weapon inspect tables you’ll realize most weapons have quite high crit finesse vs carapace & unyielding

[strong gulch]

I know some actually can keep the precog buff up for when they need it, BUT I remember seeing someone boast about how good precog is with a video and the buff wasn't up.

[buoyant maple]

Guess which enemies have the most well telegraphed attacks

[wind spruce]

Imagine not missing a swing because that poxwalker died

[nocturne dust]

That's why I never miss because I never attack

[wind spruce]

God shit

[wind spruce]

Mutants

Gotcha

[zinc phoenix]

Team quality in high havoc been dropping

[buoyant maple]

I was more talking bosses, mauler & crushers

But yea

[wind spruce]

I know haha

[buoyant maple]

Super well telegraphed attacks
High crit finesse against them

It just makes sense

[wind spruce]

My issue is

They aren't always attacking you

[buoyant maple]

Psyker I think u can easily reach like 40% melee crit chance with riposte (without SG active) which is not bad

With SG it goes to like 60% ish

[wind spruce]

One of these days I'll record a game with riposte and precog and count every melee attack that riposte was active for but not precog

[strong gulch]

Yeah, that's my main issue with on dodge blessings, but riposte's 6s is long enough to do things.

[wind spruce]

Exactly

[wind spruce]

Critmaxx with duelling sword and run 87.5%

[buoyant maple]

Well, riposte is 6s uptime, precog is 2s

[wind spruce]

WHOS THE CRITLORD NOW SMEALOTS

[buoyant maple]

So precog only matters for like 1~2 attacks max

[strong gulch]

I am admittedly a sloppy player, so requiring weakspots in order to work is a no for me anyways.

[buoyant maple]

Whereas riposte is basically half~always up if you’re engaged in melee

[wind spruce]

Yeah why it's fucking horrific

[wind spruce]

It's basically up whenever you've got your melee out

Approaching an engagement with shooters? You know dem pewpews be proccing riposte

[buoyant maple]

There’re 4 enemies that cannot activate riposte

And precog

And any “on dodge” talent/blessing

Scab gunner firing
Dreg gunner firing
Reaper firing
Scab sniper firing

[wind spruce]

Do flamers proc it

I thought they didn't

[nocturne dust]

can you not dodge the gunner kick?

[buoyant maple]

You can’t “dodge” the targeted flame

Ghost doesn’t even work there so it’s not a ranged attack

Idek how it’s coded

[wind spruce]

Yeah

So add bombers and flamers to that list

[buoyant maple]

I mean their ranged attacks, sorri

[wind spruce]

Do you even write guides GEEZ

[buoyant maple]

The weird thing is more like, there’s no dodge detection for them

Whereas gunner / reaper / sniper do have dodge detection sounds but don’t activate it

[strong gulch]

Just get hit by their actual nade. Right in the dome. Infact, be in a dodge slide while getting hit by the tox bomber's green skull so that it pushes you into danger.

I might still be upset at that one. lmao

[wind spruce]

Coding 💤

[wind spruce]

Lmao GIT GUD

[strong gulch]

😭

[wind spruce]

If you were going for the header it was immaculate ♥️

[strong gulch]

I have been domed a few times. Not on purpose. 🥲

Just very lucky.

[wind spruce]

[strong gulch]

It interrupts you too.

[wind spruce]

Alright I'm bored

[zinc phoenix]

I genuinely didn’t think it was an actual game object, I thought it was just an animation 😂

[wind spruce]

Can we get some more precog enjoyers in here

[queen fog]

It does a crumb of dmg too to my knowing, had the little toughness curve show up last I got potatoed by a scab nade

[strong gulch]

It would make sense if that were true. 😂

[queen fog]

Had me double taking irl

[nocturne dust]

@hearty wolf

[maiden oracle]

Is it worth using the flame staff for single target like you did on the flamer

[nocturne dust]

Eh

Not really but it's not bad enough to not use it either

[maiden oracle]

Got it

[strong gulch]

That.

[maiden oracle]

Can’t seem to find a particular loadout I like ngl

[strong gulch]

You can at the very least stagger them from a distance.

Penance builds are generally eh.

[maiden oracle]

I finished most of the penances

Just trying to get cliffhanger for now

[strong gulch]

Is there a weapon or playstyle that you like?

[maiden oracle]

Yea I went melee psyker

Fgs scriers gaze that was pretty nice

[strong gulch]

Or is this a case of psyker is not for me?

[maiden oracle]

Nah I like the magician I want to sorta dance in and out of melee and ranged combat

I been hard focusing melee so far

[strong gulch]

Yeah. Melee focus is definitely doable. @mossy oyster @clear heath @radiant frigate are the people here who I would ask about melee builds.

[thorn cedar]

man purgatus is just dummy

0 death havoc 40 with no shields

just one freak pressing left click

all u need

[maiden oracle]

That sounds pretty sick

[nocturne dust]

I dare you to go through Havoc 40 using only purgatus left click and W, no dodging or sliding

[thorn cedar]

i would not do that

[maiden oracle]

Does the meta use flame or electric or something else

[thorn cedar]

i mean unquestionably the strongest thing at maximum havoc is purgatus

nothing really comes close

[maiden oracle]

does it handle everything or just anything that isnt carapace or a boss

[thorn cedar]

for any class

[strong gulch]

Havoc is purg / inferno. Otherwise all staves are good get a lot of use.

[thorn cedar]

carapace and boss is the one definite weakness but like

even in havocs you dont run into so much of them that you feel bad

you're still clearing everything that isnt that

[nocturne dust]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1046914150363844779/1313803542196391936/elmopsyker.gif

[thorn cedar]

very easy for your team to pick up the slack there

[maiden oracle]

Alright

[nocturne dust]

You can clear crushers too by stacking enough brittleness using pen flame and a teammate

[strong gulch]

Even bosses (for psyker) isn't that bad. But yeah crushes are the bigger problem. But also you have teammates.

[thorn cedar]

infinite pen, very generous casting time (charge, release, expends over time, many opportunities to proc quell effects), excellent damage against all but one type of armor

[maiden oracle]

What’s the build for it

[thorn cedar]

and insane suppression

its 'weak' against range in the sense that you cant hit them from 20m away

[strong gulch]

Infinite cleave and ignores pus hardened skin.

[thorn cedar]

but if you just play smart you close the gap wherever you can and immediately suppress them down

[maiden oracle]

Do I make up for it with brain burst or something

Oh ok

[thorn cedar]

and yea BB is a great complement

[nocturne dust]

BB is actually pretty poor, it's more the positioning on the tree

[thorn cedar]

i think i fired

like 600 rounds of my infantry IIIb

shit was just handled by flamebroski

[maiden oracle]

Can you slide me the flame build

[nocturne dust]

That's what I run for Havoc

[strong gulch]

Yeah bb with KF is good on purg. In havoc you generally play with bubble.

But like it was pointed out, you can close the gap then suppress and burn.

You can charge your secondary while dodge sliding.

[maiden oracle]

Got it

Is there any changes if it’s not havoc

[nocturne dust]

That's non-Havoc

[maiden oracle]

Alright

Curios?

[nocturne dust]

I grow closer to finishing my Inferno guide on Steam

That's what I use for everything

It's not really optimal tho

[strong gulch]

You can stagger a lot of stuff in from of you with shriek, incuding shooters. That also helps with closing the gap.

[thorn cedar]

i was not the flame psyker so

i can only guess what he was using

either way, it wasnt bubble lul

thank god

[maiden oracle]

I need to use more of shriek and bubble for the penance

[thorn cedar]

tired of bubble lobbies

[nocturne dust]

Those are generally the weapons I run

[maiden oracle]

Well idk if you need shriek for the cliffhanger penance but I heard it makes things easier

[strong gulch]

Valid

[maiden oracle]

What’s wrong with bubble

[nocturne dust]

https://tenor.com/view/weakness-disgusts-me-madara-uchiha-madara-naruto-weakness-disgust-me-gif-17219305

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1046914150363844779/1313803542196391936/elmopsyker.gif

EMBRACE THE BUBBLE

[deft stump]

I thought you do bubble in normal pugs as well?

[nocturne dust]

no

Bubble is really only used for Havoc

[maiden oracle]

Unyielding and not maniac?

[nocturne dust]

outside of it, it tends to be a crutch

[nocturne dust]

The staff kills all maniac enemies already

[maiden oracle]

Got it

[nocturne dust]

why use maniac

[thorn cedar]

i find bubble goes two ways;

• team now plays way too passively and the match takes forever
• team plays bubble aggressively and now the match feels cheap

im not a fan of bubble deleting enemy projectiles fired inside of itself but it is the actual best practice

[maiden oracle]

I usually ran up ahead and dropped the bubble to soak up as much damage as possible for the penance

[thorn cedar]

is to drop it on enemies like a dinner bell

[hearty wolf]

Nooooo

[maiden oracle]

And then I would forget I dropped a bubble because potato mod removes the effects and run out of the bubble

[nocturne dust]

Caught in 1080p

[deft stump]

The fact it does is why putting it on enemies is funni. Also removes BoN lul.

[strong gulch]

Right now it is meta to run bubble in havoc. To the point that no one wants to play with psyker without bubble.

It also impacts play. There are players and people who are good enough or play enough havoc to not want bubble or just want some variety in matches.

[maiden oracle]

Got it

[blissful solar]

still wish they added a fun type gamemode instead of havoc

[thorn cedar]

god fucken forbid i find myself in a bubble + purg + smite lobby

[hearty wolf]

Not the headshot net 😭

That was the other mistake I made which I forgot.

I shouldn't have been in that tunnel or should have just killed the trapper

[nocturne dust]

There was a group of tryhards that complained about difficulty. They got what they wanted.

[deft stump]

To be fair, is just havoc. Some just want the cosmetics and will do anything for them. And the best is just, meta stuff to win.

[strong gulch]

Like void said, bubble is mostly a havoc thing. It's not meta in aurics.

I do play bubble on train maps tho. 6 Snipers aiming from one end of the train to the other and no one able to get them back can kick rocks (for me). Otherwise shriek away.

[thorn cedar]

It was less difficulty specifically and more that the game didn't even really have anything that necessitated four skilled players

[deft stump]

25 isn't easy to the average.

[maiden oracle]

I greatly dislike smite but I ran it for a bit to get the penance done and it’s sickening how effective it is

[thorn cedar]

playing with friends would become paradoxically boring

[nocturne dust]

that.... that is difficulty

That is literally difficulty

[strong gulch]

Ye. That's why I was specific about saying havoc.

[zinc sphinx]

like usin big force sword on sparky

[deft stump]

Can't snipers shoot through? Usually rather kill them before testing that.

[thorn cedar]

yes but it wasnt just "crank difficulty nob" it was "come up with stuff that makes communication and build decisions meaningful"

[maiden oracle]

I saw the bubble stop the laser so surely it stops the bullet too

[strong gulch]

No they can't, but there is a ping issue that makes the bubble look up when it's not.

[thorn cedar]

wow rude

[nocturne dust]

Eh, no, I disagree. It really was just 'crank difficulty nob' for some people.

[zinc sphinx]

bubble stops snipers

[thorn cedar]

a skunk just walked over my feet

[deft stump]

Ah. Just something to know for sniper spam.

[nocturne dust]

and your build decisions do matter in Havoc. That's what cranking the difficulty tends to do.

[deft stump]

If it counters 7 snipers, it gud.

[hearty wolf]

I don't think it's a good thing

Makes you worse at the game when you try and play without being immune to all damage and nurgle spit

Surprised Pikachu face even snipers can actually hit you

[thorn cedar]

that particular functionality is something i hope they remove

[nocturne dust]

I mean, if you overly rely on it

but like, as a bubble enjoyer, I got past it making me worse long ago

[deft stump]

Still not fun if they all spawn from different points and an oggy can't dodge them all.

[hearty wolf]

Why am I still awake

[nocturne dust]

Idk

[zinc sphinx]

got kickback and rock for that

[strong gulch]

Wall should be tall enough that an ogryn can actually take cover behind it.

I do think the game should have comfort picks. Idk where the line should be drawn tho.

[hearty wolf]

I'm haunted by the last run ngl

I'm haunted by the dcs too

[deft stump]

But that forces the kickback though. And rock, but rock is friend so.

[nocturne dust]

but I'm the one that DCed 😭

[strong gulch]

Did DCs prevent true survivor again??

[zinc sphinx]

heavy stubber, kickback, rumbler

[thorn cedar]

i just think a big bubble shield designed to omnidirectionally block projectiles should not be at its best when its on top of the enemies instead of away from them lmao

[zinc sphinx]

Grenade gauntlet

4 answers to snipers

[hearty wolf]

@strong gulch we had an insane run on smelter with 20+ dcs. Especially on the finale and we somehow cleared it.

No true survivor but managing to even win that run was insanity

[strong gulch]

It's funny tho. Put a cup on bonbon like a bug.

[nocturne dust]

I dced like once every twenty seconds and was lagging so hard I couldn't do anything 50% of the time

[strong gulch]

OMG that sounds awful.

[hearty wolf]

Exactly then Bot Bill shows up and tries to speedrun a crusher horde

[deft stump]

It's a force barrier. I assume it's like Susan Storm and is more telekinetic wall in sense. So it's just the Psyker's force of will.

[nocturne dust]

and I only went down once (when I lag spiked and got hit 3 times in that moment)

[thorn cedar]

enemy ranged attacks inside the bubble should hurt the psyker that cast it as though they were being directly hit

[nocturne dust]

[thorn cedar]

that'd be hilarious

flamer walks in
panic

[nocturne dust]

You suck at game design

[zinc sphinx]

https://tenor.com/view/plague-ogryn-ogryn-reaction-live-reaction-plague-ogryn-live-reaction-gif-1395788199602766548

[hearty wolf]

Hopefully we game a bit earlier tomorrow while I'm still fresh and not on autopilot

I need a real sleep schedule but then might not be able to play on NA as often :/

[deft stump]

More, I think he wants to make a game like I wanna to be the guy.

[zinc sphinx]

wot

[nocturne dust]

🤷‍♂️

[zinc sphinx]

wot the hel sparky spoutin? bone ead not helpin

[deft stump]

Rok gud. That's all.

[zinc sphinx]

also, most pals use kickback anyway, kuz it easy to use fer any build

[deft stump]

Ah. But I was more about just letting people just play whatever they feel like, especially on lower diffs. Fun and feels, yes.

[zinc sphinx]

even then, there's the new stubber, GG, and rumbler

[deft stump]

Ah yes, the new sniper with flashlight.

[zinc sphinx]

all markz feel fun, though the achyles is a tad slow in my opinion, still the best to whip out and tag a sniper from 100 meters

[wintry shadow]

Inferno staff styled version of smite* when? make it cause soulblaze instead of normal fire damage

[zinc sphinx]

wot

[deft stump]

Wot indeed.

[zinc sphinx]

like, the slammy rod dat makes da boom?

want dat to make fire?

[wintry shadow]

Nah, the flame thrower staff

[zinc sphinx]

wot bout da flamy stick?

[deft stump]

Isn't it mini shock boom?

[wintry shadow]

I want a passive that makes smite use the flamethrower attack instead and have it cause soulblaze instead of normal fire damage

[zinc sphinx]

O

[wintry shadow]

would make for a really good soulblaze build

[zinc sphinx]

YOU MEEN DA ZAPPY HANDS

[deft stump]

And things go flying and I reeeeeeeeeeee because I waste two revolver shots.

[wintry shadow]

Yes, turn the legally distinct force lighting into a flamethrower attack that causes soulblaze stacks instead of normal fire damage

[zinc sphinx]

I mean, wouldn't mind da beez getting swapped with fire

beez always take my kills....

[deft stump]

Oh you want a new blitz.

[wintry shadow]

Yes / no. It doesnt have to be new, it could be a new passive for the smite blitz that makes it a soulblaze flamethrower

[zinc sphinx]

here's da problem wiff addin a new blitz

everyone else iz gunna need wun

[wintry shadow]

Like i said, it could be a passive that changes how the smite blitz works

[deft stump]

Eh, just make it so things just burn because electricity burns anyway.

[zinc sphinx]

ZAPPYZ HAS 3 ALREADY

DON'T NEED MORE

[wintry shadow]

Zappy has 3 but one is totally useless

[zinc sphinx]

Most people wiff zappy only use da extra chain

[wintry shadow]

the heavy melee electrocuting enemies is insanely useless when you can just spam smite, so get rid of that and swap it with the flamethrower instead

[deft stump]

True.

[wintry shadow]

replace the spreading stun for a soulblaze stack building flamethrower

[deft stump]

Unless you meme with shock maul.

Because funni.

[wintry shadow]

Even then, smite is still more useful

[zinc sphinx]

shock maul, smite, and electro stick

SUPER CONDUCTOR

[deft stump]

Yes, is why meme around.

[wintry shadow]

I'll go an entire mission spamming smite because it keeps my team from getting dunked on, and I'd like the opportunity to spread soulblaze faster while still having the horde clear

[zinc sphinx]

then just use inferno staff

[deft stump]

Thus, % chance to add soulblaze every tick?

[wintry shadow]

inferno doesnt spread soulblaze unless you crit or kill an elite

[deft stump]

To targets being zapped.

[zinc sphinx]

USE A CRIT BUILD

[strong gulch]

EP smite is a PC, wildfire, psych aura, and shriek enabler and scales with density. It has A LOT of sb.

[zinc sphinx]

I'M AN OGRYN MAIN, NOT SPARKY MAIN

[wintry shadow]

I do, it still doesnt feel good because smite feels like it's damage falls off in the high levels

[deft stump]

What is someone that enjoys everything but Oggy then though?

[zinc sphinx]

please make ogryn coherent

[zinc sphinx]

not a pal, das wot

[deft stump]

Is more playing as though.

[wintry shadow]

I'll crit and see like 4 things get soulblazed then the soulblaze wears off before it can spread. It doesn't feel good

[zinc sphinx]

wot

[strong gulch]

Harder difficulty = more big enemies

big enemy dies and makes spreading soul blaze

big enemy dies = can yell fire more

[zinc sphinx]

ah

[strong gulch]

EP smite is better in harder difficulties

[zinc sphinx]

ta, potato

[deft stump]

Maybe some people just aren't cut out for the big man style of way.

[wintry shadow]

would still like to see a more useful passive than the heavy melee electrocute. Replace it with the soulblaze flamethrower and it could be cool as hell

[zinc sphinx]

why would people not want tah break teeny heretics wiff big muscles?

[deft stump]

But we still enjoy your companionship either way.

[wintry shadow]

Ogryn needs some love too, it's fun but doesn't feel like it's as strong as it should be for melee.

[zinc sphinx]

Is big warpy sword good for melee build on sparky?

[strong gulch]

Ye

[wintry shadow]

Yes, the greatsword is really good

[deft stump]

I got a handcannon, a stabby/pointy thing and my mind to 'play' around with the heretics. Some people just like it a different way.

[zinc sphinx]

https://tenor.com/view/cako-my-honest-reaction-my-honest-reaction-meme-giga-chad-gigachad-gif-2845832567982176970

[strong gulch]

The biggest weakness of FGS is it dodges.

[wintry shadow]

make it so that it spreads 4 stacks of soulblaze on crit, then make it so that when you activate it you are guarenteed a crit and it nukes hordes

[zinc sphinx]

is da bullet catchy blessing useful on it?

[deft stump]

Moonlight Greatsword yes. Just a little too slow for me though, why I went back to Illisi.

[strong gulch]

Otherwise, it can tackle everything either pretty well or very well.

[wintry shadow]

gotta get that 30% attack speed buff

passive*

nvm 10%, I'm thinking of Zealot that gets 30%

[strong gulch]

I'd put it on for havoc, otherwise no imo. You can reposition and what not.

HOWEVER, it's good enough that if you want deflector then use it.

[deft stump]

I even had the 10% on the talents. Still feels slow. But I mostly mean actual mobility with it. Keep getting left behind since staves are slow as well.

[zinc sphinx]

YAY

[strong gulch]

The general non-havoc blessings are wrath + riposte/ shred for FGS.

[deft stump]

Is good if you wanna do a mini slab Oggy thing though. Funni to watch.

[zinc sphinx]

which do I sub for defelct?

[strong gulch]

Yeah I feel you. I don't like how slow it is.

[zinc sphinx]

I want hoard control

I make sparky smol ogryn

[onyx sentinel]

is there a non-red version of this cosmetic?

[deft stump]

Mhm. And there's little other than just burning scryers to chase.

[mental rock]

Maybe with mods

[zinc sphinx]

man, then yall would only play knife oggy

though, I feel dat with with shield

[deft stump]

I mean, it's true. Though I gave up before I got a knife. Too slow and clunky.

[maiden oracle]

What staff would be best for special sniping

Or should I just go gunker

[deft stump]

Is just heavy spamming for hordes just don't click.

[strong gulch]

Personal pref if choosing between shred or riposte. They give you the same crit chance increase. Riposte's on dodge lasts 6s, but you have to get the dodge off. So if something is staggered not targeting you (or switches targets) then you're sol. Shred takes time to get all of its stacks and can drop if you miss or hit a dead enemy.

Wrath is the standard and make FGS cleave a lot more. It's the general anchor blessing.

[zinc sphinx]

so swap shred/reposte with deflect?

[deft stump]

Pretty sure only voidblast normal or voidstrike will be able to do it. Maybe electro normals.

[zinc sphinx]

or wrath?

which would make it better for hordes?

[strong gulch]

Oh lol. Yes.

sorry for not actually answering

[zinc sphinx]

alr, tanks potato sparky!!!

[strong gulch]

You should ask @clear heath or @radiant frigate tho. I am not a melee nor FGS main. They might have more nuanced things to add that might impact ur build.

[near wyvern]

Electro. LMB to kill far away targets and RMB if they are close and you don't want to bother aiming.

[maiden oracle]

Alright

[zinc sphinx]

my sparky is only level 24, I need to level him a bit more. I don't really need complicated stuff for a class I'm just getting into

[maiden oracle]

Does voidblast or electro kill faster

[near wyvern]

Make sure to pick the LMB damage increase node from the left side.

[maiden oracle]

From what I’m getting voidblast is better in general and electro is more focused on st

[near wyvern]

Electro. Voidblast is more vs horde ranged tool.

[maiden oracle]

Ah ok

[strong gulch]

For a single enemy, surge/ EK.

BUT they are completely different in what they do. One is aoe and the other is single target focused.

[near wyvern]

Voidblast is what I would call "the cleaner". Not that far range and not the best DPS but keeps the home (your team) clean of all but mutants and monstrosities

[deft stump]

But what about the strike.

Also technically works for sniping.

[near wyvern]

It is a viable far range vs horde tool that can be somewhat built as anti crusher as well but it is quite slow. Works in Auric Maels but wouldn't bring it to Havocs.

[maiden oracle]

I mixed up voidblast and voidstrike whoops

[strong gulch]

Another fatshark victim.

The great renaming claims another.

[deft stump]

Quality naming.

[near wyvern]

I like to refer them as void (strike, the ball) and trauma (voidblast), trauma was the previous name for the staff and I don't understand why they made it more confusing

[ripe obsidian]

The hitmass increases in Havoc nailed the coffin shut for Voidstrike, as if its slow charge were not enough

[deft stump]

Problem with using old names means confusing newer players.

[maiden oracle]

Do I need to fully charge voidblast to knock down a crusher/mauler

[deft stump]

Unless they read way too much and knew anyway.

[near wyvern]

Haven't properly tested but your DPS increases the more you charge it so charge as much as you have time for against big targets. For lesser targets you don't want to overcharge too much.

[strong gulch]

The pus hardened skin making ranged do less damage isn't helping voidstrike either.

[near wyvern]

Inferno and trauma are just like, what increases

[deft stump]

Guess it needs a buff somewhat. I kinda like it on funni crit builds.

My ears and peril hates me though.

[ripe obsidian]

Voidstrike needs a shorter charge time imo more than anything else

[near wyvern]

At one point it was able to put monstrosities in a stagger loop, that was funny but I understand it got taken away

[ripe obsidian]

Shorter charge time and/or faster projectile

[deft stump]

That's still a buff.

[strong gulch]

The main thing with trauma/ voidblast (other than charge time) is aiming it. You have to place it correctly and crusher and bulwark aimed knock downs are less forgiving.

[ripe obsidian]

I was not disagreeing with you

[near wyvern]

I disagree. I would say it needs more cleave. If you put faster fire rate on it it will have no downsides.

[deft stump]

Oh. So altfire spam?

[strong gulch]

You should also pay attention to how enemies are spread around with trauma/ voidblast.

[maiden oracle]

I wish there was something like siennas bolt staff

[near wyvern]

If you are not constantly throwing balls of different sizes on voidstrike you are doing it wrong

[ripe obsidian]

Fair. Being able to kill more than 3 havoc 40 poxwalkers on a 1.6 second charge would be nice.

[maiden oracle]

Closest thing is voidstrike but the charged attack is just a slow ass huge ball

[near wyvern]

If you mostly use LMB you should have gone Electro which gets +20% crit chance

[deft stump]

But I do that by accident all the time.

[ripe obsidian]

https://tenor.com/view/doom-bfg-gif-27506128

[deft stump]

But funni when crit.

[raw hedge]

What is the probanility of making a "rain" of brainburst?
I killed 5 enemies in a row, with one charge, they got instakill also they were together
Is this a bug?

[deft stump]

Ep with elite kills grant charge? Or you got lucky maybe.

[strong gulch]

If you have PC (perilous combustion), the enemies near your BB target were very low health, and the enemy you BB-ed was an elite or special, you could have applies SB to the surrounding enemies and get a tic of damage on them and get the credit for the 5 enemies with one BB.

idk if it happened like that, but that is a non-bug or non-coincidence way that could have happened.

[deft stump]

I thought it sounded like 5 quick succession bb kills in a row.

Which is possible on elite kill grant charge.

[raw hedge]

They were next to another, and charged for the first then after killing the first all them dying and BB begun to fall like rain
I am using mind flayer

[raw hedge]

No, i was not using it

[deft stump]

Assuming all targets were elites and such but yeah.

I don't think it would reset flayer cd though.

[raw hedge]

I still think it was a bug

[strong gulch]

If you have BB (and its blitz mods) with EP and a blue stim, you can cast BB really quickly, but it's not instantaneous.

[deft stump]

Thus, no clue unless vid.

[raw hedge]

I was nlt using blue stimm

[deft stump]

I just know it's fast enough to get the bb elite penance thing.

[raw hedge]

Srry maelstrom i didnt have the time to record

[deft stump]

Since I got that by accident.

Without stimms.

To be fair, it was histg heresy for the kill boss with bb on a duo.

There was alot of elites.

[prime elk]

alright, did some testing of mk8 vs. mk6 FGS

i'm sticking with mk8

[hollow pine]

why the fuck do yall psykers run off to bum fuck nowehre when in a maelstrom mission and we are getting jumped

[late sapphire]

the normal heavy loop on the mk6 is better the mk8 has one special stab locked behind the patk

[hollow pine]

bro ran half wat across the map died and expected us to come get him

LEGIT

[late sapphire]

No idea why exactly they made the shove stab stronger though

[prime elk]

yeah i noted that

tbh in normal gameplay i'm not spamming single target strikedowns that often anyway

so the stronger heavy loop of mk6 doesn't do much for me

[late sapphire]

I prefer the mk6 because i expect to swap to my melee, heavy and immediately have something strong come out

The mk8 h1 cant onetap shotgunners and gunners the mk6 one can

[deft stump]

You sure that's not a Loner Zealot?

[late sapphire]

Not going to swap patk stab then heavy

[prime elk]

a lot of the shit i'm going to strikedown are going to be push attacked anyway

but i understand it being an inconvenience to patk

[hollow pine]

was a psyker going electric build who ran off and died to a beast of nurgle

[strong gulch]

I know in some previous testing, people were getting different results. IDK what the difference were or why that was happening.

I do know that it was't because of cara head oddness like other testing has shown.

[late sapphire]

deadvoid was light attacking instead of heavy attacking after the push because he is a silly man

the mk8 patk->heavy does significantly more than the mk6 stab heavy

[strong gulch]

No clue. Some player's are like that. But also some peel off for materials and can handle themselves. Clearly not all of them tho.

[prime elk]

most competent melee psyker

[deft stump]

Cos it's more likely a slow psyker being left behind by everyone else.

[late sapphire]

Tbh sometimes i am walking forwards clearing normally only to turn around and find the other three ran off to bumfuck nowhere

[prime elk]

when melee psykers have to actually learn to do more things than hold down two buttons

[hollow pine]

i was support flamer zealot and i had chorus up all the time. he had no hp and i told him to stick with me and he would live

[strong gulch]

Thank you! That was living as a vague memory.

[strong gulch]

ok

[hollow pine]

i guess he heard the emperors voice over there

shit happens

[strong gulch]

lol maybe

[deft stump]

Got lured away maybe.

[strong gulch]

Imagine if this game had hook rats or sack rats.

[hollow pine]

"OVER HERE!!"- Big E 41K

[strong gulch]

Some many would be claimed.

[nocturne dust]

Look, sometimes brain not work good, okay?

[deft stump]

Buffed trappers. After x secs, calls in a big guy to carry off your teammate. If you can't kill the big guy soon, your teammate insta dies.

Well, get put into rescue mode.

[nocturne dust]

This is just Bonbon

[deft stump]

Wat.

[nocturne dust]

Beast of Nurgle

[strong gulch]

Straight to the DH.

[deft stump]

Kay, even worse ver.

If you don't rescue your teamate after x sec. a BoN gets summoned to 'play' with them.

Now you get a bonus boss every time your team sucks at freeing a teamate.

[nocturne dust]

We already got a modifier where it spawned Bonbon like once every 3-5 minutes

[deft stump]

Don't remind me.

[nocturne dust]

Aw but I love Bonbon

[deft stump]

Getting 2 on a bridge was painful.

[nocturne dust]

They just want to play

[deft stump]

They were full power ones even.

And it's not even the long bridge.

[nocturne dust]

Ever had 7 bosses in the first 5 minutes of a match?

[deft stump]

Just a normal bridge with death pits.

[deft stump]

I dunno, but we did kill over 8 BoNs that run.

We lost count.

[nocturne dust]

https://youtu.be/Py2ZGb-4JF4

I've seen things. Terrible things.

[deft stump]

Basically, PAIN and WHY???

And that's ontop of the normal bosses the map had.

[hollow pine]

i got a question

[strong gulch]

Oh noooo. I remember now. 😭

[hollow pine]

should psykers get an implosion gernade?

[nocturne dust]

we already have that

Just peril yourself

[nocturne dust]

I'm so curious how many more bosses it would've spawned if we'd survived longer

[strong gulch]

😭

[deft stump]

We just need buffs to the boom.

[strong gulch]

All Alyx wanted was some ordos and the game did that to us.

[deft stump]

YOU DIDN'T MENTION IT WAS A FART GAS MISSION.

[strong gulch]

And the prison corner.

I forgot about that too.

[deft stump]

CURSED.

[nocturne dust]

lmao

[deft stump]

Oh, it's weakened. I thought you mean the event where it throws BoNs at you like NPNP.

But we somehow ended with way too many spawns somehow.

[nocturne dust]

https://tenor.com/view/rick-morty-rick-and-morty-20minutes-adventure-quick-adventure-gif-22364490

[deft stump]

Cos I don't think getting over 8 normal BoNs was supposed to be.

Especially not random malice.

[nocturne dust]

Yeah they were weakened, it was just the amount that was the problem (except for 1 which was real)

[deft stump]

Weakened is a gamble.

If you lucky, it's a less fall to death map. It's usually fine.

Otherwise.

Well, I guess I die then.

But really, the worst part it's fart gas. You can't even move around with that.

[dusk void]

Just why would anyone do this on an auric mission?

[nocturne dust]

do wat

[zinc sphinx]

Martyr?

[modest perch]

What am I looking at ?

[dusk void]

Pick up grims on an auric mission and martyrdom zealot is about to die of corruption

[modest perch]

The ogryn with slightly low toughness ?

Oh

[nocturne dust]

https://tenor.com/view/sacrifice-shrek-gif-22057024

[dusk void]

I hate playing with randos

[modest perch]

Yknow grims only corrupt off the top

[deft stump]

It's usually polite to ask if you wanna pick them up.

[modest perch]

If you’re more corrupted than a grin would make you it makes no difference

[deft stump]

Not everyone wants to deal with it.

[dusk void]

Zealot didn't die unfortunately

[modest perch]

That being said I pick them up just to destroy them

Fuck books

Readings for NERDS

[zinc sphinx]

which?

[deft stump]

Unless scriptures?

[dusk void]

Martrydom zealot

[zinc sphinx]

why is that unfortunate?

[modest perch]

I ignore those most of the time tbh

[dusk void]

I really wanted the martrydom zealot to die

[zinc sphinx]

WHY

[deft stump]

I panic if it's in an obvious spot cos I KNOW someone is going to pick them without asking.

[modest perch]

Sometimes it’s funny to look at them on ogryn tho. Can’t believe the runts can read those tiny letters

[zinc sphinx]

my thoughts exactly

[dusk void]

He made several mistakes and went down a lot

[modest perch]

Bro just beat them to it so you can destroy it

Become ungovernable

[nocturne dust]

Rude

[deft stump]

I'm slower than most. Maybe only faster than Slab oggys.

Unless they have charge.

then they faster.

[zinc sphinx]

oh, you're a rude runt

[dusk void]

I'm sorry, but I can't play with randos

[zinc sphinx]

THEN DONT

just play in privates or on here

or with FRIENDS

if you HAVE ANY

[dusk void]

Mean, but I do all three of them

[zinc sphinx]

You activly chose to play in a public lobby, with less than 4 people

[verbal thistle]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-crying-cat-cat-meme-cat-crying-meme-crying-cat-meme-gif-1182720488497099882

forced to play with pubs

I find pubs funny to watch

[dusk void]

I was playing in a pub because I got bored of playing with my friends, privates, and on this server. I kinda needed a break from playing all of the Havoc missions, so I chose to play on an auric pub

Wasn't the best run, but we completed the mission

Mistakes were made, but forgivable

[modest perch]

It’s a born to win forced to pub kinda world

[zinc sphinx]

Then you complain to the other sparkiez when you get a bad player

[quartz barn]

Tip, play a fgs only run

[modest perch]

Not to put these generic names on blast but look at the shit I had to put up with earlier

[zinc sphinx]

You know the risks with pubs, not everyone is the emperor's gift to Darktide, m8

[quartz barn]

Not sure what we're looking at tbh

[modest perch]

I should not have to carry that hard on a funny meme build on my least played class

[quartz barn]

Because this is my average scoreboard, but with lower dmg

[verbal thistle]

I got green circles so I win

simple as

[quartz barn]

Get ovenproof btw, overal upgrade

[modest perch]

That is ovenproof

[quartz barn]

Actually nvm didnt see the bottom part

[zinc sphinx]

just the risk with pubs, man

[modest perch]

I’ll switch to powerdi once it breaks entirely

[quartz barn]

Got distracted by the scores lmao

[modest perch]

I know dude but it seems like I get the worst ones whenever I just wanna chill with a funny build

[deft stump]

Boss kills mean nothing though.

[strong gulch]

To be fair, only the bracket part is ovenproof.

[deft stump]

A useless person or bot can easily KS.

If nobody has big chunky damage.

[zinc sphinx]

man, sparkies give me a headache, I'm gonna commit warcrimes in S.T.A.L.K.E.R. 2

[modest perch]

But noooo I have to play cookie cutter meta builds every time with these jackasses

[quartz barn]

Not really

[deft stump]

So more wondering why is that even there.

[zinc sphinx]

never be a meta slave

[modest perch]

Feels necessary with pubs tbh

[zinc sphinx]

I've carried with non-meta builds

[potent echo]

What kind of meta builds because everything is kinda meta

You can bring void,smite,surge,purge and you can argue any one those are meta

[modest perch]

Everything is most effective tactic available ?

[deft stump]

I thought shredder autopistols fall under non-meta?

[potent echo]

Are you really gonna bring SAP into games though

[strong gulch]

Very not meta
https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9dba7173-f64c-4b4f-9213-94268e99e856/no-keystone-fire-sword-now-with-crit-chance-its-bad-but-play-it-anyways?utm_medium=website&utm_source=gameslantern&utm_campaign=share_button

[potent echo]

Fire sword

[zinc sphinx]

I will take this as a challenge

[quartz barn]

Lets go the pick whatever tf build

[deft stump]

Claims fire, no inferno staff.

[modest perch]

Talent tree needs randomize option

[deft stump]

Even if just pocket staff to never be used.

[potent echo]

Inferno staff trivialises the game though

[strong gulch]

Get top melee damage. People have done it before.

[zinc sphinx]

wait...

[deft stump]

Yes, but you forget it exist. Just there cos FIRE.

[quartz barn]

Thats not hard nowadays

[zinc sphinx]

it's close to my psyker build...

[potent echo]

The fire is right there in your heart

[strong gulch]

"Do a smol bit of soulblaze damage and just keep swinging. Set em on fire for the ambiance."

[deft stump]

Stoke swing, stroke swing so they all die burning.

[modest perch]

Whomst up rn strokin they firesword

[wind spruce]

Hey chat just popping in with a reminder that precog is garbage. Stay blessed!

[split lance]

KF is god tier

[wind spruce]

If it's hitting 7-10% damage like syllogism was saying then I'll accept it's worth now

But also no

Do u run that weird scoreboard mod that I can't work out how to use

[split lance]

Stay mad

[split lance]

which

Oven proof?

[wind spruce]

Nah his new one

[nocturne dust]

PowerDI is a mess

[wind spruce]

I'm blanking on the name

[wind spruce]

I tried for a whole 10 minutes and couldn't work it out

[nocturne dust]

I've had to disable it because it causes crashes

[wind spruce]

Yeah that too

I can put up with that for some testing matches, though

And getting more damage source data would be good

[wind spruce]

Do you know how to use it properly? Halp

[nocturne dust]

Wdym use it properly?

You just set the hotkey and then use that when you want to look at a match

[jovial gust]

I wanna try putting a dclaw on my Gunker build, but the Atheneum says it's bad against Carapace. Are there even guns that work well against Carapace?

[wind spruce]

Idk I was looking at it in the hub, and someone said I needed to like generate reports or something

[nocturne dust]

wat

It automatically does that

[maiden oracle]

The revolver

The dclaq parry does respectable damage to the crushers head

[deft stump]

But isn't that bad for the funni Gunker BRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR thing?

[maiden oracle]

Idk I don’t play gunker I just know revolver demolishes carapace

[wind spruce]

Welp

[wind spruce]

Very

[jovial gust]

Long time since I put a Revolver in my build

[nocturne dust]

Just play a match and it will report your stats 🤷‍♂️

[deft stump]

Cos while I don't use it, I heard it basically forces any automatic gun.

[wind spruce]

I run a heavy sword gunker build that uses BB for crushers. It's not as strong as assail but it's close bc of psykinetics aura pogness

[wind spruce]

It doesn't force it but they are way stronger. It does force assail, although that's already the main pick

[jovial gust]

I never ran Heavy Sword either, how is it?

[wind spruce]

Lots of fun

[deft stump]

That's the thing, why bring a revolver or bolt over any auto.

[jovial gust]

What do you put on it then?

[wind spruce]

Can one shot everything non-ogryn with easy and has good horde clear

Flak, thrust, headtaker

And maniacs iirc

[jovial gust]

Which Mark and what are the combos. Annoying that I have to ask it all since the Atheneum does not have it yet

[wind spruce]

Revolver is a little better for killing off specials but that's about it

[jovial gust]

Recon Lasgun can melt any special just as fast as the Revolver

[wind spruce]

I use the mark that has a heavy slice first and then an overhead. So heavy 1, light 2 or just light spam for horde clear

[wind spruce]

No, it can't. But, yeah, it's not like the recon struggles.

[jovial gust]

Did not use both of those enough on Gunker

[wind spruce]

You can't beat an instant oneshot, and revolver has much faster wield speed

But fuck reloading it

Atleast we have the reload talent now

[strong gulch]

That's why I don't like the zarona with SG. Too much time is spent reloading.

[visual osprey]

I am a "zealot"

[maiden oracle]

thinking back on it i havent really used laser weapons a lot

what do you usually use on gunker

[wind spruce]

Recon is king

[strong gulch]

mk 12 recon and Vraks mk V IAG are the most popular.

[wind spruce]

Way more ammo efficient and accurate at longer ranges than vraks

[strong gulch]

Also infurnus can proc KF.

[wind spruce]

And you can get insane burn damage (varies a bit depending how much your team is stealing your kills )

[strong gulch]

ye

[wind spruce]

Oooh I might be able to fit it into my BB scriers build now

[strong gulch]

Mk2 laspistol, revolvers, and DB shotguns are also popular, but not nearly as much as the other two.

[wind spruce]

Las pistol should be used more. Awesome boss damage and elite killing, easy targeting, and supports assail weaving better than vraks or recon.

[cosmic sigil]

and force push

don't forget

[wind spruce]

[strong gulch]

It's my preferred gun.

But that's because og the funny force push and the weapon skin.

The boss damage is also nice.

[wind spruce]

It was my first gunker gun. My beloved.

[wind spruce]

I wonder how it actually compares to recon

[strong gulch]

That bonbon modifier made me dust off my laspistol.

[wind spruce]

It's just as good at maintaining burn in the context of monstrosities so just depends on the direct damage

[cosmic sigil]

https://tenor.com/view/blazing-saddles-shooting-dancing-gif-4816663

[strong gulch]

I don't have the exact numbers, but laspistol does meaningfully more.

However, recon still dishes out the boss damage while being way more ammo efficient.

Laspistol kinda dump ammo.

[wind spruce]

Hmm

Honestly recon kinda dumps it too. I maintain burn and melee it or clear adds and don't mag dump unless it needs to die quickly

[strong gulch]

I need to get better with melee.

[near wyvern]

Laspistol (the faster firing one) does meaningful monstrosity dps with direct hits during scriers

Other than that the DPS is approximately the same unless you want to waste ammo

[strong gulch]

Maybe I should do some regular damns, no assail, and only low mag guns. So I have to use melee more.

I think the biggest reason to take recon over laspistol is that recons fire if you hold the button down while the laspistol needs a mod or macro to do that.

[maiden oracle]

Try civi

It taught me pretty well

[strong gulch]

civi?

[maiden oracle]

Then again I was playing zealot

[wind spruce]

Good summary of what was said

[maiden oracle]

The modifier where it’s mostly just melee scabs and ammo is limited

[deft stump]

Or turbo controller, lul.

[maiden oracle]

So you have to fight almost all maulers

[strong gulch]

Oh lol. I thought it was a weapon.

[gritty geyser]

kinky

[wind spruce]

Play gunker without assail. It improved my game a lot.

[strong gulch]

I don't read modifier names gud. I remember them even less.

[deft stump]

I hope all your vet's revolver shots hit.

[strong gulch]

That was my thinking. Get rid of all of my CC. 😭

[maiden oracle]

Fuck the vet I drank a liter of dogshit apple cider I bought from a dilapidated grocery store and soloed it with crusher zealot

I stopped counting my resets at around like 30 or so and I still have problems but I can at least understand what my issues are now

[wind spruce]

Exactly. You gotta utilise positioning, movement and melee to escape situations.

[strong gulch]

"get gud"

[wind spruce]

Rather than just bursting through it with OP damage unga bunga

[nocturne dust]

Me just blocking and dodging until I'm out of the cluster of monsters

[maiden oracle]

I just need to remember my surroundings I got everything else down decently

[strong gulch]

I am very good at getting stuck on the environment.

[maiden oracle]

Dodging back and feeling yourself hit a wall must be how boxers feel when they get stuck in the corner

[nocturne dust]

Me when I remember I'm on meleeker:

https://tenor.com/view/locked-up-im-here-with-you-head-lock-youre-locked-w-ith-me-gif-17677370

(I get promptly overheaded 0.2 seconds later)

[maiden oracle]

It took a while to get used to being a low slower on psyker than on zealot

Only thing I was faster at was running out of stamina and running out of health

I underestimated how hard I was crutching on until death

[nocturne dust]

I really wish Meleeker was fast 😔

[strong gulch]

Or at least consistently faster.

[nocturne dust]

I mean, yeah, people severely overestimate the uptime of all of the meleeker speed buffs imo. None of them are consistent enough.

[strong gulch]

I wonder if the speed buff from DD was longer or tied to the amount of stacked that you had would be ok.

[nocturne dust]

Mmmmm, as it currently works it would be broken iirc

because it also is actually counting as dodging ranged attacks similar to EE and ghost

[maiden oracle]

I miss twbs

I hate mistiming a dodge and having a rager hit me out of my heavy attack

[wind spruce]

I still enjoy going sonic for those 2s per game, though

[nocturne dust]

It is indeed nice when you can get all the buffs to activate at the same time. Nyoom nyoom.

[strong gulch]

Yeet yourself off a ledge because suddenly fast.

[hearty wolf]

I'm a fucking zombie

[cosmic sigil]

strange, i also felt assail was dumbing down my playstyle

[hearty wolf]

Night terrors of being trapped in a net

[strong gulch]

I wish you as much brain clarity as possible.

[hearty wolf]

I feel oddly clear. It just hurts.

Is this what building peril is like?

[nocturne dust]

I'm not sleeping when I should either

[split lance]

same

[strong gulch]

same

[split lance]

we should be asleep rn

i bet

@lethal lagoon

bros awake

isnt he

[strong gulch]

we all having brain problems I guess

[quartz barn]

Same

But 11 am

[split lance]

i just spent many hours on kovaaks

[quartz barn]

And im at work

[cosmic sigil]

10:50 am

[quartz barn]

1.5 days left tho

[cosmic sigil]

at work too

[strong gulch]

4:50 am

[quartz barn]

Mfw ive been going to bed at 3 am, but have to wake up at 6

[lethal lagoon]

[split lance]

motherfucker

[lethal lagoon]

I have to be up at 7;30 and it took waaaaaay longer than expected to clean

[split lance]

oh yeah

well

you didnt have to come back to ur pc

lmao

[quartz barn]

Why clean at night?

[lethal lagoon]

[quartz barn]

Aside from dishes obv

[lethal lagoon]

What kind of insane question is that. Obviously because I put it off til now.

[strong gulch]

Because brain and time.

[lethal lagoon]

Oh, the cleaning relates to why I need to be up at 7:30.

I needed space

Also cleaning in the morning is bad for you

[strong gulch]

I hope you cleaned and got space enough.

[lethal lagoon]

You shouldn't strain your spine after you wake up for at least an hour or two.

Let that spinal fluid readjust to being upright

[split lance]

is that an actual thing?

[nocturne dust]

no

[split lance]

ok

[wind spruce]

Yeah because any time there's a little chaos, a bunch of shooters/specials or a rager pack you just pull out blitz and go unga bunga

The stagger is the strongest component of assail.

[cosmic sigil]

except i already pack everything i need for those

[wind spruce]

(Someone tag dominaya so he can see my bad takes)

[cosmic sigil]

so i am like, should i use assail? no wait i am still faster with the recon / the melee

[lethal lagoon]

I read it once and treat it as fact because I'm cray cray.

[split lance]

lmao

[wind spruce]

You don't NEED it but it reduces the threat in chaotic situations drastically

[split lance]

idk

if it were

true

i think my spine would be destroyed by now

[wind spruce]

It also just puts out stupid damage over the course of a game if you weave it into your combat flow

[cosmic sigil]

hence bistol puncture

[upper sun]

that is not true