psyker-class

[split lance]

Bluetooth problems. I’m a wired Chad

[queen fog]

i can vouch for logi, but i got a headset instead of a mouse from them

[bold cape]

i prefer razer personally, deathadder v3 pro is favorite mouse

i will NEVER buy a gaming headset ever again
beyerdynamic for life

[split lance]

Razer tbh is only the best at making macro software

Lmao

[clear heath]

okay good, no battery explosions to worry about

this is just so funny to me

actual bomb lmao

[split lance]

Their mice are overpriced for the quality that you can get elsewhere for literally half the price. Lighter weight too

Like. G wolves htx/htk 4k

Finalmouse is mad expensive and still beats out razer

[bold cape]

i dont think i mind too much

[split lance]

Endgame gear

[bold cape]

keyboards are where its at for me

[split lance]

If you like paying 2x the price go for it

[analog agate]

How so lol. I have both

[bold cape]

jokes on you i didnt buy it

@lethal lagoon 5 minutes finally up yet

[lethal lagoon]

There's literally nothing I like more than the satisfaction that comes with buying something at a price you think will increase it's quality but doesn't actually have an impact.

[lethal lagoon]

Tren's going to be busy for like 30 mins, so we can run your auric mael now.

@strong gulch

[bold cape]

gaming time

[analog agate]

Also, final mouse doesn’t allow for rebinding buttons. So sucks

[strong gulch]

KK. gonna go to the bathroom then I'm ready

[bold cape]

hope its monstrosity specials

[lethal lagoon]

It's "carnival"

I'm not having fun at the carinval

Every other havoc mission is carinval

[clear heath]

i can join in like 5 min if you have room

[split lance]

Ur going to rebind mouse buttons?

[analog agate]

I have R as one of my side buttons for quelling

[strong gulch]

QP auric then?

[lethal lagoon]

It has to be auric mael no?

That's fine, I'm sure compared to havoc it'll be boring.

[strong gulch]

Oh. Do we have to do a new mael every week to unlock havoc?

[analog agate]

Also, some games just don’t detect mouse 4 and 5 for rebinding things

[lethal lagoon]

No, they just haven't played this patch yet.

[bold cape]

its for me
i havent done one this patch cause i cant carry for shit and everyone i find there are new players

[strong gulch]

Oh our 3rd. I'm stupid and forgot.

[bold cape]

im very forgettable dw

[lethal lagoon]

[bold cape]

we hopping in vc?

[lethal lagoon]

I will when we play havoc, I'm eating something.

[bold cape]

lemme listen to you eat

[lethal lagoon]

[strong gulch]

I just got a shiver down my spine. 😭

[bold cape]

LMAO

@lethal lagoon holy shit is that heihachi

[lethal lagoon]

No it's me in 15 years

[bold cape]

im so sorry

[clear heath]

Do you guys have room for another?

[strong gulch]

feck. we did now we don't

[lethal lagoon]

We are running havocs with tren in about 30

so not actually

[nocturne dust]

I did. Really weird.

[clear heath]

alright

[nocturne dust]

sure

I'ma be busy for a bit tho

[split lance]

Ohhhhh. Use AutoHotKey

Extra steps Ik

[analog agate]

Can’t autohotkey get you banned on other online games? Even the presence of it?

[fringe garden]

Macros are for scrubs and goofy tryhards. By goofy I mean, using a macro kind of undercuts your own personal growth as a player. If raising your skill is the goal, macros are an obvious crutch. Seems counter intuitive. I assume people use them because they care more about green circles, penances, and epeen than they do genuinely increasing their own skill.

[patent mango]

quell cancel is actually balanced without macro as it does irl damage

[nocturne dust]

If rapidly pressing a single key is 'skill' then I can do without that skill.

[split lance]

I’ve never had issues

I’m pretty sure I’ve ran csgo and r6 with it

[radiant ice]

Anyone wanna join a 37 with the easiest mods ever?

[clear heath]

sure

[sturdy reef]

Aurics are so much more fun since I dont feel forced to run bubble

[analog agate]

Not playing psyker?

[split lance]

u run bubble in aurics?

[analog agate]

Ohhhh I misread that

[sturdy reef]

Nah, Im using sg in aurics

[nocturne dust]

Yes

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1046914150363844779/1313803542196391936/elmopsyker.gif

[zinc phoenix]

I’m just running sg in havocs 🤷‍♀️

[wind spruce]

Its called having self-respect

[nocturne dust]

Now do it in Havoc 40 as the only psyker

[zinc phoenix]

I put deflector on the sword tho, the all attack build was fun but had a tendency toward a higher ratio of death to glory than I’d like 😂

[wind spruce]

What's your second blessing

[zinc phoenix]

I choose as my teammates two book zealots and a smoke spam vet

[zinc phoenix]

Riposte since it’s a mk8 and the cleave feels alright

[wind spruce]

Mk8 has more cleave?

[nocturne dust]

Watch them all get beaned by ranged anyway because the zealots can't find the smoke and position wrong, and the vet gets bonked on the head

[zinc phoenix]

🤷‍♀️ I am not a math man

[wind spruce]

fair, just trying to figure why the mk is relevant

[bold cape]

@lethal lagoon so howd i do? absolutely horrible?

[radiant frigate]

yes absolutely horrible

terrible

the worst

[wind spruce]

Nah @split lance did the worst

[main wyvern]

So havoc starts getting hard at 21+ right?

[bold cape]

that other zealot was actually going down a lot

[radiant ice]

30+

[lethal lagoon]

Tren wasn't there and he still did the worst, yep.

[radiant ice]

21 is a slight jump, hard is 30+, doom is 35+

[strong gulch]

@nocturne dust Oh my bad. I misunderstood. We do have 4.

Sorry fren.

[split lance]

@nocturne dust @bold cape whoever joins first gets in

[bold cape]

says i have no active havoc assignment

[lethal lagoon]

Oh....

[split lance]

you may fight

[lethal lagoon]

Did you forget to talk to him before we did that auric mael?

[bold cape]

wait what

[lethal lagoon]

[bold cape]

WHAT

[split lance]

https://tenor.com/view/bobs-burgers-louise-bobsburgers-fighttothedeath-gif-18087799

[bold cape]

YOU DIDNT TELL ME

[strong gulch]

oh nooooo

[lethal lagoon]

You pulled a Tren

I thought you were better than that

[split lance]

ooof

[bold cape]

fuck you i dont know the first thing about havoc

[split lance]

you pulled a tren

hahahahahahaha

loser

loook at you pulling a tren

[bold cape]

i hate all of you

[lethal lagoon]

Alright, let's do another mael

[split lance]

[lethal lagoon]

I'll brb 7 minutes, and then we'll do another mael, I can't do carinval for the 20th time this week

[radiant frigate]

zealot on havoc has been a lot more chill

[split lance]

join vc

70

[radiant frigate]

probably because if i'm playing zealot at least someone is bringing cleanse

rather than the classic charge tdr

[nocturne dust]

no it's fine, I'll just go out back behind the shed

[split lance]

good boy

[bold cape]

what

[split lance]

i didnt fucking stutter

[nocturne dust]

https://tenor.com/view/dogs-doors-no-gif-3389094

[split lance]

https://tenor.com/view/kitty-kitty-stare-kitty-sideeye-stare-side-eye-gif-1860859713479199343

[ripe obsidian]

I am mildly disappointed in Havoc 35+ when the team has something of an idea of what to do.

It becomes mostly wearing down spongy enemies

And/or not running into Reaper fire.

[radiant frigate]

havoc be like

take position

fortify position

Read Book™ while advancing to next position

fortify

[ripe obsidian]

Since I'm not using EE currently, I have to play more carefully

I was using EE to get really aggressive with gunners

[ripe obsidian]

Now I just run at them and blow bubbles

[radiant frigate]

The Blight Spreads is a slightly silly modifier

[kindred ivy]

more than 500%

😎

for some fuckign reason

[ripe obsidian]

https://tenor.com/view/bubble-buddy-spongebob-gif-16771086986415179360

[kindred ivy]

1% quell speed baby

LETS FUCKING G

[ripe obsidian]

That still happens? Thought they patched it out

[kindred ivy]

old ass weapon

lmao

[ripe obsidian]

My prize is an eviscerator at like 383 or 384 total

[kindred ivy]

[ripe obsidian]

I wish I hadn't disassembled so many 380+ weapons.

[kindred ivy]

real red weapons

[ripe obsidian]

"Well, this one is 382, but it dumps damage. Destroy."

[nocturne dust]

https://tenor.com/view/ocean-park-roy-rooster-chicken-anime-gif-13891991899080259072

[ripe obsidian]

It's fine if you aren't melee. =)

[split lance]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1119189603161743450/1159969101834358834/Onefsdaft.gif

[radiant frigate]

i mean it more like "it does nothing if one zealot brings cleanse aura"

it just becomes a nonfactor

[ripe obsidian]

But quell-cancelling Purg LMB also removes a lot of threat from melee enemies.

[nocturne dust]

https://tenor.com/view/gasps-in-mouse-meme-gif-15581652532115173156

[ripe obsidian]

It is true. I hope they add better modifiers in the near future

[split lance]

https://tenor.com/view/peter-griffin-stroke-family-guy-gif-25106673

[nocturne dust]

You don't need to quell-cancel for that

[ripe obsidian]

That aren't just some variant of "enemies do more damage" or "enemies are tankier"

[nocturne dust]

just use lmb

[ripe obsidian]

I know.

[radiant frigate]

on the flipside, when it is a factor, you just kinda Fucking Die™ in melee

[ripe obsidian]

But quell cancel is more fun.

[ripe obsidian]

Yeah. I have played with a lot of Zealots who do not bring their soap

[nocturne dust]

https://tenor.com/view/medic-gif-20570197

[ripe obsidian]

So we all get dirty and die.

[split lance]

https://tenor.com/view/dark-souls-nameless-king-can-i-get-mod-discord-role-gif-25775079

[radiant frigate]

me when 2 zealots with no books and no soap

(now i am the zealot with the book and soap)

we shall be squeaky clean

i have the manual

[ripe obsidian]

I got my True Survivor title by being the bedtime zealot. Soap for a bath, book for storytime.

[radiant frigate]

what was your bonking stick of choice to make more books

[ripe obsidian]

DS4 or Relic Sword so far

It was DS4 for the TS run

Mostly because the mobility is great

I can show you my probably sub-optimal build when I get back from the store

[radiant frigate]

i have used power bigsword and chain bigsword

chain bigsword feels like it gets around the cleave limitation with perfect strike decently okay

[potent lava]

if you talking about the mk15, it actually does not

mk15 evis has a dmg hardcap of 4 on cleave, no matter how many you hit with perfect strike

[radiant frigate]

i am aware of this

[potent lava]

aight

[radiant frigate]

but it means that no matter the mass

i still get 4

[potent lava]

that is true

[radiant frigate]

i'm sure wrath can do similar things

i just used the one i had from before

[radiant ice]

@clear heath Crashed, back in a moment

[potent lava]

which is weird, cuz relic doesn't have a hardcap, but it cleaves like dogshit

so wrath is pretty mandatory for havoc imo

[clear heath]

lol

[radiant ice]

Now is not the fucking time steam

[radiant frigate]

i fink i will continue using power bigsword

but both feel good

chain bigsword is perhaps a little better vs monsters

[potent lava]

relic is big balls dmg with martyr

you can just put unyield + carapace on, martyr will make mincemeat of everything else

[radiant frigate]

martyr seems like a bold pick in havoc

it do be sounding like a lot worse cdr than bp

at least with relic blade

will kill things at an alarming rate though, that's for sure

[worn beacon]

Veteran chat talks about Psyker in havoc
Psyker chat talks about zealot in havoc

How does this work

[modest patrol]

My secondary is a zealot that I keep putting off levelling up… I keep joking with my bf that I’ll make her a martyr just to spite myself because of how much I shit talk martyrdom

[worn beacon]

Martyrdom ain't bad

Just use rashad

[radiant frigate]

one rotation away from finishing the rubik's cube

(if zealot chat is talking about vet)

[radiant frigate]

martyrdom is really powerful actually

[modest patrol]

I’ll be real the only operative I’ve fully levelled is my beloved psyker. Every time I log on and say I’ll level up my Zealot (named Sister Argenta) I see my psyker and go…. But look at you

[worn beacon]

Zealot talk about zealots

😭

[main wyvern]

Thunderhammer

I want it

[radiant frigate]

is it

idira

[modest patrol]

I could have! Should have. But the male loner called to me. I love him.

[main wyvern]

Thunderhammer is good

[radiant frigate]

funf act, male loner VA also voices one of the ogryns

[modest patrol]

YES

[radiant frigate]

that man has some range

[ripe obsidian]

My favorite Zealot weapons are the big ones, like evis, thammer, and relic

[radiant frigate]

as they should be

[modest patrol]

And since I see your profile pic I’m assuming you know of the many BG3 VA crossovers?!

[ripe obsidian]

But DS4 is just... better for Havoc

Mobility is king

[radiant frigate]

at release i was very mildly upsetti spaghetti that the best weapons for zealot were not even zealot specials

it was like

chainsword

[worn beacon]

What DS4 ISN'T better for?

[radiant frigate]

for a bazillion cdr

[radiant ice]

Well that could have gone better, I think my Havoc is bugged

[clear heath]

man that was fucked

[radiant frigate]

not all of them

[radiant ice]

Both my last two runs have had these modifiers, which is weird cause it's 35+ so should have an extra one

But the intensity is double regular 35+

[clear heath]

also what region were we in?

[radiant ice]

At least double

EU

[clear heath]

ah

I realized I had 170 ping on that 3rd try lol

[radiant ice]

I've never seen a match like that even in Havoc 37 XD

[modest patrol]

The ones I know of are Viconia’s VA for female savant, Alfira’s VA for Dukane, Dame Aylin’s VA for female cutthroat

[worn beacon]

Play BG3
Meet goblin guard at the camp entrance
Fucking Morrow VA starts speaking

[modest patrol]

Omg

[radiant ice]

There was a Rager crowd just outside the spawn room at least 30 thick

With a horde backing it up

[clear heath]

yeah the rager pack was huge

[radiant frigate]

aylin and cutthroat actually lines up so well

[clear heath]

i saw at least 20 just at the front

[modest patrol]

Right?!

[radiant frigate]

she does sound like a really pissed off aylin

[radiant ice]

I alone got a x22 on killing them before I went down and they rushed

[radiant frigate]

now that you mention it

[radiant ice]

So what like 40? XD

It was insane

[zinc phoenix]

Alfira did dukane? That’s hilarious 😂

She’s a good va

[modest patrol]

We always call her German Alfira in this house

[worn beacon]

He voiced him 1 to 1 like Morrow which just stunned me

[zinc phoenix]

They sound very different

[radiant frigate]

and here we all are, un-alfira'd

[modest patrol]

Let me check with my friend for permission— he drew an amazing drawing of Alfira in commissar gear

[radiant ice]

👀

[ripe obsidian]

My havoc 35+ missions today have been boring

Nothing to kill

[radiant ice]

I mean, fuck it, I might boot back up just to show this shit

[ripe obsidian]

Ending it with like 500 kills total as purg psyker

[radiant ice]

Since I have the same modifiers again and wonder if I'm bugged

[radiant ice]

Hop on and come see

If we die, we die

[ripe obsidian]

Shoulda killed more.

I am at the grocery store

[radiant ice]

Gawd damn, bed it is then XD

[nocturne dust]

rekt

[ripe obsidian]

I am being a Responsible Adult

[radiant frigate]

Dance upon the stars tonight..

alfira ends up on a voidship

it counts

[radiant ice]

I played my first campaign as Dark Urge

"Oooh a bard companion!"

"Ah...."

[nocturne dust]

https://tenor.com/view/cookies-gif-11341368259252365706

[radiant frigate]

"OH HI, what are you doing here?"
"Oh."
"Oh no."

[radiant ice]

I mean it was fun

My first playthrough was coop and I never told them I was dark urge or what it was

[modest patrol]

Here she is, drawn by @south spear

[radiant ice]

Amazing!

[radiant frigate]

it's perfect

[south spear]

:3

[analog agate]

just tried party finder. How anyone can complete a single havoc with that is beyong me

[radiant ice]

I've hosted to Havoc 37 with it, from 16

[modest patrol]

He also drew my profile pic, a princess version of my Psyker 👸

[analog agate]

Guess I mean taking the chance of joining

[radiant ice]

Hmm?

[analog agate]

As in not being to choose who you are with

[radiant frigate]

by playing book cleanse zealot

it seems like the most integral part of the team

played two with the same team today

it was just 23 and 24 but pretty smooth

[radiant ice]

I am tempted to swap to my Zealot for the final 3 ranks

Which would be a shame as I got this far as pure Psyker

[primal plume]

They need to sort this better. Just pistols, rifles, and staves are jumbled together. Not even alphabetical order

[radiant frigate]

i didn't really see other zealots i picked up ever running cleanse or book

just charge tdr

[radiant ice]

Really? I've found Book Zealot the most common of anything in EU

[radiant frigate]

and it really helps to avoid oneshots which then snowball into teamwide death

[nocturne dust]

I can be the book zealot

[radiant frigate]

i reckon i could do fine with charge too

[nocturne dust]

All you have to do is all the work

[radiant frigate]

but cleanse seems required

[clear heath]

void do u wanna do my havocs?

[nocturne dust]

sure

[clear heath]

I'm at 33

[abstract forge]

Random but why is it that purg staff has seemingly become a meta pick out of nowhere over the last month? I remember when I started playing psyker a year ago and it was considered easily the least meta of the staves, but now it's like a top tier weapon (even before havoc). I don't even remember it getting a lot of buffs

[radiant ice]

Blaze Away

[nocturne dust]

It got Blaze Away

[radiant ice]

And people opening their eyes

[nocturne dust]

which is its strongest blessing by far

[clear heath]

Anyone else wanna join?

[radiant ice]

But mainly Blaze Away XD

[nocturne dust]

D'you need me to play zealot?

[abstract forge]

ah I see

[clear heath]

play whatever you feel like

[ripe obsidian]

Tbh probably

I like having 1 plasma vet to blow up specials

And I do not like sharing my psykerness. >:(

So I have enjoyed 2 Zealot, 1 Psyker, 1 Veteran team comps

[radiant frigate]

last setup i had was me on zealot, an ogryn amd 2 psykers

it ok

bubble book shriek charge

[modest patrol]

Also delayed on this but I think I will take Argenta in the martyr direction. I’ll actually level her tonight

And by ‘tonight’ I mean in like an hour

[radiant frigate]

verygood

welcome to the sorority

[modest patrol]

[wind spruce]

i love gunker so much. seemed fine in this havoc 32 (we wouldve won if the fourth who was actually doing non-pathetic damage didn't have to leave suddenly)

[spice veldt]

a hit squad was sent after them

[analog agate]

lol I give up on quickplays for havoc. Absolute shitters. Even in thej 20s

[ripe obsidian]

20s isn't very high. People are worse there than in the 30s, in my experience

[atomic swan]

this is 38 and still have ppl face tanking corrupt for no reason

[ripe obsidian]

Better doesn't necessarily mean good.

[ripe obsidian]

But also, they maybe didn't notice. I've definitely accidentally stood in corruption and gotten wrecked before I realized

[primal plume]

gaming

[ripe obsidian]

Nice job. You are forged in havoc

[plucky flax]

It's me sorry

[atomic swan]

lmao

[ripe obsidian]

Question, since you are here: why do you not use wildfire on your havoc purg build?

[plucky flax]

I would use normally but I put it to another 15 toughness just for safety

I hate the reduced hp and toughness crap

Make it harder sure but don't gimp me

[ripe obsidian]

+15 toughness becomes like 6

[plucky flax]

You get flat toughness from talent

[ripe obsidian]

No.

[plucky flax]

Did syllogism lie to me?

@summer prairie

[ripe obsidian]

"- Health Reduction mutator apply after buffs (from curios for example), but only affect your base Health amount.

• Toughness reduction applies before buffs happen, thus will reduce the effect of toughness increases"

[plucky flax]

Before buff

[ripe obsidian]

Yes.

So you get 5% of the reduced value

I have no idea Psyker's base toughness

105?

[spice veldt]

75 now i believe

[ripe obsidian]

So 105 - 45 to 60 on high havoc. Then bonuses apply based on the 60 instead of the 105

[ripe obsidian]

So maybe the flat 15 does work

Not sure.

[radiant ice]

I don’t know the exact maths

All I know is Toughness curios suck on Havoc

XD

[ripe obsidian]

I am gonna trust the guy linking Github

[spice veldt]

TRUUUUUUUE

[ripe obsidian]

So I guess the flat 15 increases work, but the % increases are based on the lower value

So 105 - 45 + 15 for 75, then add the various % increases

[radiant ice]

Why 105?

[spice veldt]

yeah seems to be my interpretation

[ripe obsidian]

Is 105 not the base?

[plucky flax]

That's why I take extra flat 15 toughness

So I still have over 100

[spice veldt]

no it's 75

[ripe obsidian]

I think it is.

[clear heath]

75 is our base

[plucky flax]

It's 75

[ripe obsidian]

Is it really?

[clear heath]

it used to be 60 before this patch

it got buffed

[ripe obsidian]

Well, I am a dummy.

My mistake

[spice veldt]

dreams of psyker's toughness being higher 😔

we can all wish

[flat moat]

For havoc is it worth bringing the great sword with a purg staff?

[radiant ice]

That’s literally my build

[ripe obsidian]

I was thinking about how my toughness with no curios is 60 at havoc 40

So that's my confusion

[modest patrol]

The combo worth bringing everywhere

Greatsword and purg staff at my bedside. No, in my bed next to me.

[ripe obsidian]

DS4 is better because it's the best melee weapon in the game. FGS is fine.

[flat moat]

How's it play, staff for horde and sword for everything else?

[spice veldt]

i assume you've taken 2x +15 toughness nodes, which adds up to 75 - 45 + 30 = 60

maffs

[ripe obsidian]

Probably. As I said, I am a dummy.

[radiant ice]

If you’re running Inferno staff, yeah. Your sword is basically a Crusher popper if they rush you

So greatsword, knife, duelling sword, deimos all work

Whatever flavour of anti-carapace assholes you prefer

[flat moat]

Hows this build look with those two in mind?

[radiant ice]

Hmm that looks familiar

[flat moat]

I found it on the build website

[radiant ice]

Did you pull that from Gameslantern by any chance?

[ripe obsidian]

@plucky flax second question: what is your opinion on Kinetic Flayer versus Warp Battery versus Wildfire? You have KF, but a bunch of other builds don't. I've had success with and without it.

[ripe obsidian]

That build looks pretty bad. Not sure it will hold up.

[radiant ice]

I would say it’s an alright build

[flat moat]

why did you take that one crit node near the bottom?

[ripe obsidian]

I've done a few 35+ missions without EE on purg. I can't play as aggressively, which is sad. But getting unlimited bubbles from Warp Battery is nice, and Wildfire gives me more warp charges.

[radiant ice]

Cause crit is amazing, applies double fire and makes you immune to range damage for 1s

[flat moat]

How often are you able to get BB off with it? I know the damage on it isnt phenomenal with how long it takes to charge without EP

[radiant ice]

It’s mainly Kinetic Flayer

Which is an insanely strong perk on Inferno

BB itself I only use on occasion for situations like a bomber or sniper harassing me that no one is shooting

Since the rest of the build is quite close range

[ripe obsidian]

I'm kinda jumping off the KF train. I don't find that I need it.

[radiant ice]

I mean you could certainly swap it with Wildfire or Kinetic Deflection

But I love KF and get immense value from it personally

[ripe obsidian]

I like it as well. But it's one of four talents I want with only 2 points to spare

[flat moat]

Why'd you take warp siphon over Disrupt?

[radiant ice]

Who tf takes Disrupt on Inferno?

You don’t have consistency to hit the blue boy at a distance or through a crowd, can’t weak spot, and you have to waste two points to even start getting it

(Assuming you like Kinetic Deflection, if you don’t that’s 3 points)

[ripe obsidian]

Warp Siphon for more bubbles

Havoc is bubbleland. You need all the bubbles

[radiant ice]

Meanwhile warp siphon increases flame damage by 24%, significantly reduces bubble cooldown and In Fire Reborn + Essence Harvest makes it spam fill your toughness

[flat moat]

Does purg suppress shooters like zealots flamer?

[radiant ice]

Yes

But even more

Especially with Blaze Away

[flat moat]

[ripe obsidian]

I think your build is better if you can't trust teammates. More self-sufficient. If you can trust teammates, things like EE and In Fire Reborn become a bit redundant.

You often cannot trust teammates.

[radiant ice]

Yeahhh I got to Havoc 36 hosting via 99% Party Finder

[ripe obsidian]

Sorry, not in fire reborn

Essence Harvest is what I meant

[flat moat]

what would you take over EE?

[plucky flax]

Oh kf is op. That's the best talent out of those 3

[radiant ice]

I would always take EE

I understand not take Essence Harvest

[ripe obsidian]

In that build? I'd take EE.

[radiant ice]

But EE on Inferno never drops

(More or less)

[ripe obsidian]

What is your reason?

[radiant ice]

Empathic Evasion is literally one of the core nodes of the build

[plucky flax]

Just free damage consistently

On important targets you want gone asap

[radiant ice]

Free damage + doming a rager that’s running mid horde at you

[ripe obsidian]

This is the build I have been using today

[radiant ice]

Drop One with the Warp

[ripe obsidian]

Ragers don't run at me. I smack them with LMB and they cry.

[radiant ice]

It’s great in Auric, bad in Havoc

You have what, 60-80 Toughness at best

[restive stag]

for what

[radiant ice]

At peak it’s 33% toughness reduction

[restive stag]

what are you getting in replacement

[radiant ice]

Enemies are gonna go through that in a second then it’s off cause it doesn’t help health

[ripe obsidian]

Fair.

[radiant ice]

Empathic Evasion so you can still get bubble and it works on both Toughness and Health

[ripe obsidian]

I will try EE instead and see how I feel

[restive stag]

i mean fair tho i personally see EE as redundant if you have 3 trillion shields that you can just spam with basically no cooldown

[radiant ice]

One With Warp only works if enemies aren’t going through your toughness in more or less one shot

[radiant ice]

One with the warp is even more redundant

[ripe obsidian]

This is fair.

[radiant ice]

It’s literally doing nothing in Havoc

It doesn’t reduce enough to stop toughness breaks or slow them any

[ripe obsidian]

Any enemy that touches me outside of a single stray shot from a shooter (not a full volley) kills my toughness

[radiant ice]

Then it switches off cause they’re hitting your health

[restive stag]

yeah

[radiant ice]

EE is at least always on, and with Inferno staff is quite literally always on

Unless you aren’t hitting an enemy, and when are you not in Havoc?

When there are none, in which case, what’s breaking your toughness that makes one with warp worth it?

One With the Warp is one of the most useless perks in Havoc

https://tenor.com/view/joker-imtiredofpretending-gif-23464955

[restive stag]

ok true

[ripe obsidian]

Okay, there ya go

[radiant ice]

It’s only slight value is if you were to run Shriek in havoc, cause the other node is somehow even worse to reach it

[ripe obsidian]

I must say about not having KF, I really like being able to LMB bursters with impunity

[radiant ice]

It hurts seeing no Kinetic Flayer, but that’s a good build

[ripe obsidian]

Right now it feels like KF would only help with Crushers if it goes off on them

Since I can staggerlock anything smaller than an ogryn

[radiant ice]

I still love Essence Harvest, but it does drop hard in Havoc

So I get dropping it

For me though I find it a consistent survival tool if gunners shred my bubble

Cause at least I’m constantly ticking up toughness still

Which, admittedly, isn’t enough to stop health damage

[sturdy reef]

EE is always better than One with The Warp imo

you only get One with the Warp because the other node for shriek is dog

[radiant ice]

But it’s enough with each tick to knock 20 damage or so off each bullet

[sturdy reef]

lol

[radiant ice]

https://tenor.com/view/this-guy-gets-it-nick-offerman-gif-14758472

[sturdy reef]

psyker got plenty of bad nodes

we ain't ogryn at least

[clear heath]

@nocturne dust man playing melee psyker into blighted with no corruption heal is so rough

[nocturne dust]

Yep

[clear heath]

actually running out of bubble to melee at 1 hp

[nocturne dust]

I got instantly vaporized by 2 poxbursters ignoring me pushing 3 times 😭

[radiant ice]

One with the warp does have decent value in Toughness stacked Auric builds though

It’s just… yikes in Havoc

[ripe obsidian]

Well, I am sold on EE over OwTW. So now the last real decision is KF vs. Wildfire.

[radiant ice]

That is one I struggle with

I settled on KF cause it’s insanely good

But I totally see taking Wildfire as a valued trade

[ripe obsidian]

tbh the main reasons I am going with Wildfire are to get faster Warp Siphon stacks, and because I don't feel terribly threatened by melee elites outside of crushers

[nocturne dust]

@clear heath ggs

[cyan portal]

always is an exaggeration, like 80% tops

[nocturne dust]

I should really setup recording or something so I can post all the stupid stuff that happens to me

[clear heath]

i'm gaming with 50% of the melee damage on psyker lmao

[radiant ice]

Steams one is great

[clear heath]

(not blaming the zealots, they're busy chorusing)

[sturdy reef]

FGS?

[clear heath]

yeah

[nocturne dust]

but neither took beacon 😭

Rough times

[radiant ice]

I don’t know, in my Flames of Havoc build the crit chance means each tick is way more likely to crit than to not

[sturdy reef]

wot

so they both ran benediction?

[cyan portal]

link?

[nocturne dust]

dunno what they ran

[sturdy reef]

oof

[nocturne dust]

but it wasn't beacon

[radiant ice]

With each tick doing that on a horde, it’s damn rare to drop

[nocturne dust]

Everyone got sooooooo corrupted

[clear heath]

It's so rough for me
I gotta run to the enemies to deal damage but the entire path was corrupted

[nocturne dust]

Literally we had 2 people on 1 hp

[clear heath]

I just accepted living with 1 hp

[nocturne dust]

before we got dumpstered

[radiant ice]

IIRC the Crit chance in my build either 62.5% or 68.5%, don’t have the mod installed currently

[cyan portal]

gaze?

[nocturne dust]

I was mostly fine as ranged but then I got poxburstered because they ignored not one, not two, but three pushes I spammed

[radiant ice]

No, that puts it to 82.5% or 88.5%

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9dafe0ee-d114-497d-a6df-a7af17352e84/flames-of-havoc

[clear heath]

lmao those 2 bursters fumbling in the corner next to the boss were so annoying

they kept bouncing around

[atomic swan]

lmao
in asia here are so many ppl running beacon

so many and i have to craft another build for avoiding same aura

[cyan portal]

7% base, 5% aura, 5% node, 5% perk, 20% blessing, 5% souldrinker? is 47%, where were you getting 20%ish more?

[radiant ice]

When I was using the mod to make the builds, my mistake it’s 83.5% with Scriers and 63.5% without

So yeah, EE is a pretty damn good choice on the build

[nocturne dust]

Note that scrier's crit is only available during the active effect

[cyan portal]

impossible that is a purgatus

[nocturne dust]

It is not there during the lingering effect

[radiant ice]

I mean it looked like one to me

Spat out blue flames

Hurt when I looked down the wrong end

[cyan portal]

Where is the crit chance coming from then?

[nocturne dust]

is that % in the psykh?

[radiant ice]

Yeah

[nocturne dust]

[radiant ice]

Staves native crit + the nodes + the aura + Warp Nexus

Should come to 63.5% crit with bubble

At above 80 Peril

[ripe obsidian]

I can't get above 32.5% without the aura.

[cyan portal]

Yes, and that are the values of each of those?

[radiant ice]

I’m literally in bed, go find out

[cyan portal]

7% base, 5% aura, 5% node, 5% perk, 20% blessing, 5% souldrinker? is 47%

[ripe obsidian]

Oh, hm. Somehow my staff lost its crit perk. So that would be 37.5%

[restive stag]

i think it might be the aura doing silly stuff or somethijng

[radiant ice]

Fatshark coding maybe, maybe the mod is inaccurate

Idk

But according to the mod, well you can see the crit rate on screen

[little hare]

PT is 15, right?

[ripe obsidian]

Wait, I remember. I removed crit for unyielding for havoc

[little hare]

With stacks?

[radiant ice]

And I don’t take Souldrinker, that’s how you get to 88.5%

[cyan portal]

PT?

[little hare]

Hmm never mind that's souldrinker.

And it doesn't stack

[restive stag]

would be an awesome trait if it did

[cyan portal]

it doesn't even refresh duration, needs to expire before it triggers again

[radiant ice]

Souldrinker would be nice if it wasn’t the only perk that didn’t refresh

[ripe obsidian]

With aura and without crit perk.

[radiant ice]

So you get 57.5%

If you mean without Nexus

[ripe obsidian]

?

This is with nexus fully stacked

At like 95% peril

[radiant ice]

Soo you get 42.5%?

If you were to use mine

[ripe obsidian]

Yes

[radiant ice]

So I’m getting an extra 20% from somewhere

Or at least was pre-Havoc launch

[ripe obsidian]

On PowerDI, it shows your crit rate for ranged at 42.3%

[cyan portal]

by having electro staff equipped maybe??

[radiant ice]

(According to mods in the Psykanium)

[ripe obsidian]

2nd column is you

[clear heath]

This literally has to be electro staff
We have 7.5% base crit. You can't end in a number that isn't 2.5 or 7.5 unless you have a crit number that ends in 1%
EK staff has 21% base crit, so that tracks

[nocturne dust]

Yeah I'm only getting 37.5% without souldrinker and perk

in the psykh

with the same mod

[radiant ice]

Hmm maybe just a display bug, my end or something, or maybe I’m misremembering what I had equipped

[nocturne dust]

Wait, do you have like shred or something on your melee? Maybe the mod is confusing that?

[radiant ice]

I am sure I had the flame staff though

[radiant ice]

Oh maybe! I had my combat axe at the time

I think

Or my devils claw

[clear heath]

Still wouldn't explain the 3%

[nocturne dust]

Mmmm no i just tested with shred

mod isn't confusing it

[cyan portal]

so, about 43% crit on purga, without gaze or souldrinker. That doesn't give you 100% uptime with EE

[radiant ice]

I uninstalled the mod before the Havoc patch

[clear heath]

The last digits cannot be 3.5% unless you have something that has a number ending in 1%
That's basically just ek staff
All our other sources of crit give multiples of 5

like think about it, something that ends in 7 can't ever end in 3 no matter how many 5s you add to it

[nocturne dust]

imagine if Blaze Away also gave crit

[radiant ice]

I mean I was building both my Havoc builds so the electrostaff was floating about

[nocturne dust]

EK critting is weird

[radiant ice]

Perhaps the mod got stuck with its numbers, cause I’m sure that specific screenshot was with the Inferno and I took cause “Huh it’s weirdly high”

[plucky flax]

Asian players

[clear heath]

maybe you had ek staff on, tried to swap it, and the psykanium didn't update from your inventory change

[radiant ice]

anyway, I was wrong clearly!

But still, with Inferno ticking against a whole horde

[cyan portal]

Ha! Seems we're almost on the topic, min charges also have better EE uptime

[radiant ice]

I’d still argue that’s close to 100% uptime on EE 😛

[nocturne dust]

yeh

but you said youself

60% is good

for some reason

[clear heath]

that's nice, i do just above half charges most of the time

mostly because i'm too impatiant to full charge

[cyan portal]

good* [*only for single target dps, which you should probably stab instead]

[nocturne dust]

I tested it in Havoc and I did actually feel like it did more damage than both min and max charging

which is...

[radiant ice]

I always full charge when I can

But thinking about it, I do instinctively fire quite a few around 75%

Feeling like the damage wasn’t that different

[mellow heath]

When against a boss, are left clicks or charged right clicks better for DPS?

[radiant ice]

Good to maybe get some confirmation I am not schizo

[nocturne dust]

I mean it's not a significant difference so it could just be placebo

[radiant ice]

Well, any more so than the doctor already claims

But if it does work like that, is it worth actually dropping Warp Flurry?

[cyan portal]

if you want to see a 15m video of my careful data collection comparing charge percent I can share?

[radiant ice]

Cause surely the animation delay is a bigger impact on half charging

Do you have like

A graph?

Graphs are sexy

[clear heath]

A lot of people aren't running flurry anyways

[radiant ice]

A lot of people run Wound curios in Havoc

[clear heath]

not that it's bad but the typical picks are blaze away nexus/penetrating

[nocturne dust]

Did you ever find any other dips/peaks?

[radiant ice]

Wait it drops from 62 to 65?

[radiant ice]

Huhhhh?

[ripe obsidian]

Is this including keeping Blaze Away up with short charges?

[cyan portal]

by 60% i mean exactly 60% lol

[nocturne dust]

generally, charged rights

[clear heath]

flurry was used back when two of those blessings that i just mentioned didn't exist

[radiant ice]

Wait is this inferno or electrostaff

[clear heath]

inferno

[radiant ice]

Ohhhhh

I’m too tired I thought we were talking about EK

[cyan portal]

is the staff used

[mellow heath]

I see I see - is it a massive difference, or is it a "if you have the time to do them you may as well" thing?

[bitter pelican]

So I've yet to use anything else other than the "new" trauma. How fares the other staves?

[radiant ice]

All staves are amazing

[nocturne dust]

the latter

[bitter pelican]

I still gotta rank all of em up

[cyan portal]

45% is longest charge % at which 5 stack blaze is sustained, it did lower dps though

[radiant ice]

Literally all 4 are S tier

[nocturne dust]

Inferno and Trauma are the picks for havoc, but outside of it all staves are very good

[ripe obsidian]

I believe sub-50% charges on Purg might have a slight rise now that Blaze Away exists. Doing like a 40% charge keeps it at full stacks, which means warpfire stays at high damage and your RMB starts at higher damage

[cyan portal]

with flurry, blaze is sustained at 60% charge, so you get the most dmg (on single target) and full uptime on blaze stacks

[bitter pelican]

I was thinking of trying the lightning staff out next. Any build recommendations?

[nocturne dust]

nobody uses flurry anyway

[radiant ice]

What mode/difficulty?

[bitter pelican]

Eh I'm kinda burnt out on Havoc 40s was thinking like maelstrom stuff

[ripe obsidian]

Do people use Flurry? I haven't seen it since Blaze Away came around.

[cyan portal]

if you run bubble, and don't need nexus crits for EE, flurry might be better imo

[nocturne dust]

well, we don't know what shenanigans are going on behind the scenes. It could be weird soulblaze application nonsense

[bitter pelican]

And kinda wanted to try out the new force sword that cleaves like the bloodskal blade from Skyrim.

[radiant ice]

Ahh I only have a Havoc 35-40 build at hand

[bitter pelican]

I mean it'll probably transfer well 🤷

[radiant ice]

Nahhhh

Unfortunately not, it’s very Havoc oriented xD

[nocturne dust]

[bitter pelican]

Like bubble smyker baby patrol?

[nocturne dust]

Against bosses, maybe

[radiant ice]

Once I’m past my Havoc sweating I may update a few non-Havoc version of my builds

[cyan portal]

if you want to apply max stacks, and keep blaze uptime, and don't have flurry, then 44% charge is the spot. 43% you lose a stack, 46% you lose blaze away.

[nocturne dust]

but at that point, PF is probably better

[mellow heath]

Good to know. Also then, for non-boss heavy enemies (crushers and other things that size) does this also hold true? They're who I've been struggling with most honestly iirc.

[nocturne dust]

Voidstrike wants to RMB everything

[mellow heath]

(well, they're who I need to pull my staff out for that aren't bosses with my build, and who show up often enough for them to kill me often)

[nocturne dust]

Full charge a crusher and watch it explode

Voidstrike is probably the best at outright killing crushers of the staves

[mellow heath]

Good to hear ig

[radiant ice]

Long story short, Warp Nexus and Flurry, build for crits

[mellow heath]

I guess I gotta full charge more then

[nocturne dust]

Just make sure to hit them in the head

[radiant ice]

Charge that RMB

[nocturne dust]

Voidstrike almost never wants a min charge RMB

[radiant ice]

And send everything straight to Nurgle with express shipping

[mellow heath]

I was mostly left clicking and it was certainly doing better than my greatsword or assail lol, but it was still a struggle

[bitter pelican]

Ok ok so not too different from the old stuff? Good to know. Thanks for all your help.

[nocturne dust]

LMB spam is for EK staff

[radiant ice]

No, we don’t accept them

They deserve to become chair batteries for the emperor

[mellow heath]

Mostly the staff had been my 'pull out for bosses to spam left click with gaze active' button while I used the greatsword for everything else

[nocturne dust]

That's horrible

[mellow heath]

But when me and my friend bumped up to difficulty 4 recently there have been so many crushers and other big guys of that size

[radiant ice]

No problem, it’s a pretty solid weapon for slotting into any even mildly crit based build atm

[nocturne dust]

If you want a boss killer like that, take the Vraks Infantry Autogun

[clear heath]

but the greatsword is good at bosses

[mellow heath]

And the sword just struggles against them

[nocturne dust]

FGS eats everything tho?

[clear heath]

but the greatsword is good at killing ogryns

[nocturne dust]

take +carapace and +unyielding, use mk6, spam heavies on elites, profit

[mellow heath]

Sword felt okay at them, but I just wasn't loving needing to be in melee range for it

[radiant ice]

The greatsword is literally our second best crusher killing tool

Outside the duelling sword

[mellow heath]

Really???

[nocturne dust]

FGS' range is long enough that you can hit them from far away

[nocturne dust]

no

[radiant ice]

Use the stabs

[nocturne dust]

Deimos is still better

[radiant ice]

Disagree

Deimos is third

[nocturne dust]

Uncanny means it does more damage, plus it has easy knockdown

[radiant ice]

Deimos locks you into a push while a second crusher hits your tower

Mr president

[nocturne dust]

[clear heath]

no just stab twice

[nocturne dust]

Excuse me?

Why are you using push?

[clear heath]

wdym locks you into a push

[mellow heath]

The stabs were good enough that a push into stab could handle, like, the human size armored guys, but for crushers I felt like trying to do the same thing I'd just die

[radiant ice]

The special attack

[clear heath]

don't special

[nocturne dust]

do not

the special

do not

[radiant ice]

Huh

See I never liked Deimos

So never used it much

[nocturne dust]

This is why

You use the special

[radiant ice]

Guess I was using it wrong

[bitter pelican]

You can special if it's just one guy though right?

[nocturne dust]

The Deimos' entire kit is literally the h2

Never use the special

(well, unless captain shield)

[bitter pelican]

I use the overcompensater like that and I find it's fine.

[radiant ice]

Now I gotta try that

[mellow heath]

Crushers, like, one shot me, or close to it, and I don't think the push actually staggers them, so trying to get a stab off on one sounds nightmarish

[nocturne dust]

h2 does more damage faster and literally knocks Crushers on their butt

[radiant ice]

Just dodge them, Crushers one shot everyone

[nocturne dust]

if you hit the weakspot that is

[bitter pelican]

How do you H2 spam it? Just QQ?

[nocturne dust]

Depends

[radiant ice]

QQ?

[bitter pelican]

Mmk

[nocturne dust]

Generally, you start with l1 -> h2

[bitter pelican]

Yeah q cancelling

Where you swap weapons really fast

[mellow heath]

[radiant ice]

Oh Tzeentch have mercy

[nocturne dust]

but spamming h is viable and actually better than block-cancelling for l1 -> h2 repeat (if you do a light after the first, it does a weird diagonal)

[radiant ice]

I don’t do any of that animation cancelling stuff

[mellow heath]

If I try to swing a normal attack anywhere near a crusher it just bounces off and I cry

Iirc

[bitter pelican]

I've only ever used it on the Ogryn mk4 knife when it was bad dont sue me

[nocturne dust]

so basically

l1 -> h2 -> [h1 -> h2]

repeat the bracketed combo

[radiant ice]

So just light into heavy spam?

[nocturne dust]

yes

[radiant ice]

Or is there a h3?

[nocturne dust]

no h3

[radiant ice]

Not used Deimos in months

[clear heath]

that being said, i kinda find fgs easier cause of the range

[bitter pelican]

See this is why I love the combo tracker mod

[nocturne dust]

Deimos is literally just the mk6 FGS

lol

[clear heath]

I am too used to hitting at exactly maximum fgs range

i'm trying in psykanium and i'm literally whiffing

fgs has changed me

[orchid cedar]

What are y'all's builds like with the force sword?

[nocturne dust]

see I have the opposite problem where I never use the FGS' range

[radiant ice]

I’m sorry but

[mellow heath]

Getting 3 greatsword heavy swings off on a crusher head still feels like flirting with death TT

[radiant ice]

Charging a FGS heavy for the maximum length, and side dodging a mutant to one tap him as his charge misses you, while still keeping your eyes forward

[nocturne dust]

just normal meleeker.

[radiant ice]

Is the coolest shit

[nocturne dust]

You can one-tap a mutant with Deimos too

h2 its head

[bitter pelican]

I've been feeling like neo against the overheads honestly have only ever been hit when I'm playing like butt or have an unfortunate accident. I think it's just a time thing.

[nocturne dust]

then it dead

[radiant ice]

But you are missing the point

[nocturne dust]

(you may need +maniac, I forget)

[mellow heath]

I love the greatsword, it's the focus of my gameplay so far, but trying to use it against a crusher or I think a Reaper they're called just feels so painful

[radiant ice]

It’s about the style of holding the sword up and waiting

[clear heath]

you should get used to fgs range and then fail at every other melee in the game after building the habit

[bitter pelican]

Yeah crusher. Reapers are the ranged guys.

[mellow heath]

Or the shield guys. Though I think those suck in general.

[bitter pelican]

Bulwarks you'll always have to dark souls unfortunate reality of bulwarks.

[radiant ice]

Those are the enemies the greatsword shines against

[bitter pelican]

Honestly imo only enemy to ha ve changed for the worse since beta.

[patent jacinth]

Or bring a Trauma (voidblast)

[nocturne dust]

Me literally just burning them to death

[radiant ice]

Use the heavies and aim for the head

[patent jacinth]

Knocks them on their ass

[nocturne dust]

Me literally just exploding their feet

[timber cairn]

finally

[nocturne dust]

Me literally just zapping them to death

[bitter pelican]

But das not a melee weapon

[nocturne dust]

Psyker has the most anti-bulwark tools

[bitter pelican]

Unless it is.

[radiant ice]

I have True Survivor and got fucking demoted to 35 tonight

[bitter pelican]

Did they add a shiskebab?

[radiant ice]

https://tenor.com/view/warhammer-40k-techpriest-binaric-screeching-screeching-gif-20192683

[nocturne dust]

Any force sword can expose a bulwark with its push attack

[timber cairn]

dw i got carried all the way to 40 by this dude

[nocturne dust]

including FGS

[radiant ice]

Can you host me a 40 game? Pls and thank you

https://tenor.com/view/green-mile-im-tired-boss-michael-clarke-duncan-gif-2375696290766999196

[mellow heath]

The greatsword feels like it shines the best against hordes of mooks lol, that's what I love using against, just meat grindering it up. Just keep swinging and they just keep dying. Anything without armor that gets within very very long stick range of me just dies, and human size armored things I can usually push and stab and they'll get one shot from that. (mixing the two into one group does get annoying though)

That's how I've been playing, though it does show what difficulties I've been on so far probably

[azure karma]

Fun fact, they take damage like their shield isn't there with purgatous if you aim at their left side, your right

[timber cairn]

im beat. But because it's u, sure.

[nocturne dust]

The FGS is kinda just good against everything.

[mellow heath]

I'm not just new to the server lol

[mellow heath]

I have been feeling that tbh lol

[radiant ice]

Oh not right now, I am in bed

Tomorrow xD

[bitter pelican]

Oh damn that's handy information. I didn't know that! I'm assuming it doesn't work on nurgle blessed ones

[timber cairn]

thank god xd

[nocturne dust]

I've never bothered trying I normally just staff them to death since all staves work on them

I am a staffker

[mellow heath]

I wish the shop would actually show me a perfect roll great sword already, I know I asked the other day and was told mine was fine, but I want a perfect one TT

[nocturne dust]

Melee is for blunts

[bitter pelican]

Yeah the staves all seem real good right now.

[nocturne dust]

I want more staves

Give me blackhole staff, give me shrapnel staff, give me beam staff

[clear heath]

i just want blazing spirit on ek staff

[radiant ice]

I want a Blank class, so our loner gets partnered with them and suicides out the plane

[bitter pelican]

I dunno how much more they could add. Honestly psykers are pretty limited in 40k. I guess like an ice staff?

[radiant ice]

Same

[nocturne dust]

Sounds terrible

[mellow heath]

I've gotten, like, 7 perfect roll dueling swords, but no perfect roll greatswords. The world is cruel.

[lethal lagoon]

I remember looking it up, psykers do indeed have beem capiabilities.

[nocturne dust]

All the things I mentioned

[clear heath]

honestly i want it even more now that I'm doing so much fgs + ek gameplay
I keep dropping flurry because i melee so much lol

[radiant ice]

Psykers in 40k have literally multiple schools full of spells, the hell you mean “limited”

[cold geode]

is penetration of the soul still bugged?

[nocturne dust]

40k is literally just future fantasy

we have magic

magic wide

[nocturne dust]

si senor

[cold geode]

okie

[bitter pelican]

Ye ik talking more mechanically. like a vortex of doom staff hoe would that work? Just a ball that

follows around the heretics and eats them?

[nocturne dust]

I mean, mechanically speaking, I imagine a blackhole staff to be the inverse of Trauma

[bitter pelican]

I mean yeah but come on they have like 5 schools. Fifth edition DND there are like 13. Fantasy had 8 winds.

[nocturne dust]

It sucks in enemies while charging, and then has an explosion at the center once you cast. The explosion always does the same amount of damage and has the same radius, it's just the suck that changes while charging.

[bitter pelican]

And even in the schools one of them is JUST fire

[jovial scarab]

devs still have us locked to relatively limited selections of those 5
i want crazier bullshit, obese carcharodon

[nocturne dust]

Suck hard enough and you get ogryns slipping into blackhole

[radiant ice]

Psykers can literally, and this is only a few examples:

Summon animals
Go invisible
Summon an item
Create a fucking magic flash bang
Cause people to forget who or where they are
Blind people
Nullify pain
Heal wounds
Float
Make people forget they exist (threat mechanic?)
Make people feel imminent doom
Cause blinding pain as a perception, no actual injury
Boost their own physical strength to stupid levels
See the future
Create a stench bad enough to make people ill
Unbind a daemon from a host
Sense daemons
Cause someone to have a spasm fit
Cause blood loss
Stop blood loss
Cause a spell of madness in someone
Give someone the inability to miss a shot
Scream loud enough to deafen
Walk on walls
Weaken the boundary to the warp causing Tzeentch style bullshit
Fill everyone’s head with loud static
Cause someone to rapidly age

That’s just spells outside the schools

[jovial scarab]

i'd love to be able to aoe jam weapons

[radiant ice]

There are 6 schools currently defined with full spell lists for sanctioned Psykers

Unsanctioned Psykers, assassins, cultists, chaos sorcerers and others have their own entire defined spells and schools

[nocturne dust]

We would never be unsanctioned

because of the implication

[radiant ice]

No but the point being

[bitter pelican]

Isn't loner unsanctioned?

[radiant ice]

Our selection is so dumbly limited

[jovial scarab]

because of the implication

[radiant ice]

They were until they were arrested

[bitter pelican]

Ah

[nocturne dust]

https://tenor.com/view/because-implication-just-saying-listen-gif-24693508

[jovial scarab]

[bitter pelican]

Also I don't mean to sound like a broken record but my 1st level cleric can do all this lol

[radiant ice]

So we have all those no school spells, 6 schools with 20+ spells each for sanctioned Psykers

And we have 4 damn staves

I could create another 6 in a damn weekend

[split lance]

@strong gulch @lethal lagoon @bold cape

[radiant ice]

They may not be balanced, but I could!

[strong gulch]

NOOOO BEANS

[bold cape]

the whole story

[radiant ice]

Plus the coolest Psykers are goremages

Blood magic bb

“I cast ‘your insides are now your outsides’!”

Biomancers have fleshshaping

Let me show Nurgle what true body horror is

I’ll make his followers into the Walrus movie

And make them bathe eternally

[nocturne dust]

https://tenor.com/view/warhammer-40k-space-marine-helmet-warhammer-40k-space-marine-astartes-spacem-arine-armor-gif-9266730404172402530

[cyan portal]

was whoever asked me about dot application rate of primary spam vs charges around and remember?

[jovial scarab]

wishlist of funni things:
1: enemy domination (sniper, gunner, etc.)
2: weapon jamming
3: healing?
4: giant laser beam/Kamehameha
5: turn myself into fire. and everything around me.

[split lance]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1004447866250613048/1293778694535512115/967v2e.gif

[radiant ice]

We have Smite, the 1 attack Biomancers have

The healing Psykers

Let us heal, Fatshark

We make perfect healers, we already wear collars!

[jovial scarab]

toughness regen doesnt count, Obese Carcharodon

let me do support psyker

[split lance]

im tyberos irl

[jovial scarab]

then how come i can see you

[radiant ice]

I would kill for healing Biomancy in Darktide

[nocturne dust]

That's just book

[fallen spindle]

Did y'all ever experienced the mf that explodes coming from somewhere but you dont know from where so you hited this pose behind the screen

[bitter pelican]

I mean even life leech would be cool

[radiant ice]

Single target so I can pocket heal pls

And heal focused

[nocturne dust]

any sort of actual healing would be broken

[radiant ice]

Let us heal current wound at least

But not corruption

[jovial scarab]

game balance rn is broken already

[nocturne dust]

Still broken

[radiant ice]

Or a trade! We heal a wound but corrupt a wound with a cast

[clear heath]

make crystalline will heal

[nocturne dust]

https://tenor.com/view/make-it-worst-button-gif-15447023

[bitter pelican]

I'm sure they could balance the healing somehow. I don't know how but they could.

[jovial scarab]

https://tenor.com/view/elmo-hello-elmo-rise-elmo-hell-gif-6774220897048944396

[nocturne dust]

"I'm sure they could do it somehow"

[radiant ice]

So if someone has two wounds, you half their health but it heals up to that

[nocturne dust]

lol

[bitter pelican]

I believe in em

[radiant ice]

I just want to wear my thigh high healing socks, can’t even be a damn discord kitten in this game 1/10

[jovial scarab]

archon is that you?

[clear heath]

but like actually, i think crystalline will should at least recover up to the wound

[bitter pelican]

Maybe it's extremely dogshit healing that uses up a buncha peril

[radiant ice]

I wish

[jovial scarab]

we all miss archon

[radiant ice]

But that’s self healing

Self healing is trash

I’d corrupt my own wound to heal someone else’s

Then you have a wound Psyker build

[clear heath]

it would be so cool to have a psyker martyrdom build and just wound yourself to heal

[radiant ice]

Yes!

[clear heath]

sure make it heal others a bit too

[radiant ice]

Give yourself a purple bar to heal someone, but it can only heal their current wound

[clear heath]

would be funny as hell

[jovial scarab]

i didnt see your genius until you just spelled it out

holy shit

[bitter pelican]

In BG3 there's a transfer health ability that could be fun

[radiant ice]

So you can’t heal past half way if they only have the standard 2

But if you have 5 wounds, turn one of yours purple to bump them to half health

It makes wound curios actually usable on Psyker, introduces healing, and is about the same balance as the Zealot aura cause only affects current wound

[split lance]

@a;yx

@bold cape

[clear heath]

like really, crystalline will is so sad rn
if you're at like 2 hp in an elevator, crystalline is actually worse than not having it
At least blowing yourself up normally wouldn't leave you like this

literal negative talent

[bold cape]

idk how tf i got that
they all looked at me

[radiant ice]

Make it an ult

So cooldown and contends with bubble/scriers/shriek

Or or or

Replace Warp Rupture

Make it a modification of Shriek since Warp Rupture sucks

[bitter pelican]

I'd fuck with a blitz version tbh

Honestly that would kill 2 birds with one stone. Psyker finally has a grenade pickup and the cool-down thing gets mitigated. And a proper support blitz would be pretty neat!

[radiant ice]

Why would they pickup grenades to use magic?

[bitter pelican]

Magic health rocks.

[clear heath]

eat the grenade as fuel

[bitter pelican]

Like goodberry

[radiant ice]

I mean this is literally just Biomancy healing in 40k

It already exists, what I describe, a Psyker draining their own life force to heal others

[restive stag]

buff ds4