psyker-class

[wind spruce]

No just sniping specials

Gunners too

[tacit stump]

a lot of gunners with some reapers

[knotty locust]

bold of you to assume im getting ogryns in my auric maelstroms

[tacit stump]

pops up with heavy stubber

[knotty locust]

i haven't seen an ogryn in like five games

[tacit stump]

i find the class to cumbersome

[knotty locust]

i hate

taunt

thats about it

taunt giving your entire team 25% more damage is the strongest thing about ogryn

that pisses me off beyond BELIEF

[bold cape]

i enjoy some big guy now and then

[tacit stump]

i preffer just other classes more

[acoustic isle]

careful man you're teetering on a whole ass ogryn argument that happened last night in the general chat lmao

[knotty locust]

what is there to argue abou

t

[tacit stump]

what happened?

[blissful solar]

can opener + taunt on ogryn makes me feel useful as ogryn

and then bonking their heads in with a pickaxe heavy

[knotty locust]

taunt is the only way i feel valuable on ogryn

[potent echo]

I still haven't touch ogryn since update is there really a nerf

[acoustic isle]

Just some guy screeching to high heaven that it's impossible to do havocs with ogryn and to never pick him lol. Then telling everyone to prove they did maelstroms solo in order for him to deign listen to their opinion

[knotty locust]

okay yeah

[radiant frigate]

funny how ogryn went from ??? to strongest class and then back to ???

[knotty locust]

thats definitely an opinion

[acoustic isle]

ill never disagree that ogryns have it tough

but impossible? nah

[potent echo]

When middle keystone allowed you to ignore shooters

It was strongest

[tacit stump]

i preffer my ogryns with heavy stubber

[radiant frigate]

when middle keystone allowed you to undog yourself

[knotty locust]

i dont like ogryn but impossible?? biggest skill issue cope ever

[potent echo]

But then now shooters super strong again so ?????

[radiant frigate]

but now it breaks on toughness damage from shooters

[knotty locust]

feel no pain puts me to fucking sleeeeeep

[radiant frigate]

something that previously had zero impact on fnp now deletes it

[tacit stump]

sound like ironbreaker to me

[radiant frigate]

like you legitimately have not felt pain yet

[potent echo]

Yes

[radiant frigate]

you just took toughness damage

with zero chip

but now your stacks are gone

and your keystone is worthless

[potent echo]

You can even take overheads and keep toughness (?)

[knotty locust]

difference is IB sucks and ogryn was really good at the time

[potent echo]

I remember this being a thing

[radiant frigate]

IB? sucks?

lol

[tacit stump]

tankiest dwarf

[potent echo]

IB "sucks"

[radiant frigate]

sure it's not the highest damage class but it does not suck

[potent echo]

Like low damage yea but the CC is unparalleled

[knotty locust]

IB is a trollhammer spam class

[radiant frigate]

trollhammer spam is dead

[knotty locust]

it literally isn't

[radiant frigate]

retvrn to handgvn

[tacit stump]

i used it with cog hammer and rifle or pistol

[knotty locust]

it is still a busted gun

[radiant frigate]

it has no more ammo sustain traits

[knotty locust]

it does not need them to be busted

[tacit stump]

mechanicus trollhammer spamm?

[radiant frigate]

it is still very good at what it does

[knotty locust]

i say IB sucks because he just doesn't do anything another dwarf doesn't

[radiant frigate]

but the "spam" is dead

[knotty locust]

he probably doesn't actually suck

i just don't know why you pick him

[tacit stump]

my fav elf is shade

[radiant frigate]

clutch machine

[trim garnet]

i love planning for failure

[knotty locust]

"clutch machine"

[potent echo]

Chaos warrior patrol

You press F

10 seconds of cc

You need your team ofc

[radiant frigate]

team goes stab stab (if present)

alternatively you can go bonk with your 65% DR

[tacit stump]

stab stab slash dagger sword

[radiant frigate]

would it be fucked up if rapier had cw oneshots

[knotty locust]

yeah

[radiant frigate]

funny how ds exists then

[tacit stump]

or bm sienna with coruscation staff just put fire tornados there

[knotty locust]

coru is dead

[tacit stump]

what did they do ?

[knotty locust]

worse primary fire and i believe they just made the pyres do less dot

this was all a tradeoff for lingering flames

which is now the highest dps thing in the game

[tacit stump]

huh beam then again

[knotty locust]

no

flamestorm

[tacit stump]

so inferno staff

[knotty locust]

flamestorm + lingering flames gives you quadruple tickrate

on your dot

and it lasts until things die

[tacit stump]

weird

was it after necromancer release the shange

[knotty locust]

it was december of last year

[tacit stump]

yep after necro

[tacit stump]

sounds like the time i swapped to darktide

[main wyvern]

is 20% gunner resistant even good in havoc

[trim garnet]

no!

resists are bad!

(comparatively)

[potent echo]

Should be famished flames no?

Lingering is the Perma dot thing

Or am I dummy

[knotty locust]

?

famished increases the dot damage not the tickrate

things die quicker with faster tickrate

[quartz barn]

Gunner resist is only vs elite gunners

So shotgun elites and basic gun enemies are unaffected

Also ngl elite gunners are easier to fight now that they move

[strong gulch]

also reapers

but yeah, the dang shotgunners and little shooters don't count

[hollow forge]

Bring a shield tauntgryn

Problem solved

[quartz barn]

Reapers are only a threat because they easily break bubbles

Ngl shotgunners arent bad and are mostly for abil regen

Easy to dodge, low hp, slow

[hollow forge]

None of them are bad until they are in a bad situation

Blindspot shotgunner squad spawned and fires around a corner lmao

Or the sniper around the corner that shoots before the laser appears

[quartz barn]

Havent seen any of those tbh

Shotgunners can clip around corners sure

But snipers are always afk when you run directly into them

And theyll usually run or kick whe that happens

[strong gulch]

Mostly fatshark descriptions and naming paxis being a problem.

Yeah, snipers can be wierd af. Laser not even pointed at you, it's floating around the sniper, or getting shot before the sound cue or laser showing up are all annoying.

[quartz barn]

Actually this could be a ping issue

[strong gulch]

Sometimes it is, but the sniper have historically has some issues.

[quartz barn]

Fren of mine had a similar issue but with the hacking minigame where the moving square and proper imput didnt line up

[strong gulch]

There have been fixes to better align the laser to snipers.

[hollow forge]

U run into a new room and get shot instantly

It have to do with their spawn

[strong gulch]

That too.

[hollow forge]

Since they spawn in ur blindspot and is alrdy aggrod they shoot u prematurely , as soon as u turn the corner

[quartz barn]

Time to get the auto minigame mod i guess

[hollow forge]

Yeha we had no ides what the minigame did

We just spam buttons

[quartz barn]

Tree moment

Big tip btw

The correct node is always the same

So if you get kicked off after doing the first and maybe second you can clear those instantly next time

[strong gulch]

Ye.

Found that out not too long ago when someone got kicked off the puzzle and said which ones he was able to get, and they were the same for me when I hopped on to try.

[slate oasis]

had a game with a guy who was being whiny and passive aggressive all game and then started having a meltdown about how "the state of auric is an atrocity" and people shouldn't be allowed in it after we wiped. some people take games way too seriously

[zinc phoenix]

In future be sure to tell him “sir this is a Wendy’s”

[granite dust]

Kill from soulblaze (DoT) count as an Warp-attack ?

Asking for Soulstealer perk:

[echo root]

Yes

[cyan portal]

Apparently 60% charge is the sweetspot for max single target dps with purga. I can't make sense of why it should be though.

55% and 65% both fit on the descending curve from 100% down to 20%, with 60% being a strange but consistent outlier that beats even 100%.

Both with and without flurry, though with flurry it sticks out even more.

[fiery stratus]

@strong gulch I was actually doing something on my other monitor, and my compulsive dodging just happened to save me. It didn't make a difference in the end though lol

[strong gulch]

OMG

new carnival too

[fiery stratus]

Yep

All from full health and toughness as well lmfao

[upper sun]

im starting to think walls are mandatory for the elevators now

[quartz barn]

You couldve saved it with that mutant

Let yourself get grabbed and he'll throw you out of there

[upper sun]

mission briefings, elevators and cut scenes need massive changes

[strong gulch]

I mean, even if that run could be saved, that level is still unstable af.

[fiery stratus]

Absolutely folded like paper

[quartz barn]

Tell me about it

Ive had multiple double monster spawns on that one

They just come out of the same wall

[main wyvern]

Chat I am a believer in deimos heavy stab now

Nobody told me it knocks down ogryns

[strong gulch]

Ye. H2 to the head knocks em over plus the PA staggering them from 9m away.

[zinc phoenix]

I have saved so many teammates from overheads with the push attack on fs/fgs 😂

[pallid stream]

Use bb

Bb vs bombers and snipers

Inferno vs everything else

[acoustic isle]

brain burst grabbing stragglers the team can't handle right away has been a godsend in higher havocs

that tox bomber only you seem to have eyes on?

[pallid stream]

Yeah for some niche things bb excels at

[acoustic isle]

burst his ass before he ruins your spot

[pallid stream]

And it completes the build so nothing can touch you

[acoustic isle]

Nothing is more wild to me than seeing everyone who isn't an undying zealot flop and go limp from a single overhead

wild in a silly way lol

[cyan portal]

@celest valve Can you explain this? In every test I do, using full auto to set purgatus charge % to exactly 60 results in the highest dps. Both with and without flurry. Those results are from a bare build and bare staff except having Blaze Away, and killing a malice Pogryn from exactly 10m.

[tacit stump]

how good is assail in that

[pallid stream]

Still think its easier to use bb

Since you just need to peek for half a second to kill a sniper/bomber

[pallid stream]

But I don’t know since I do not use assail

[acoustic isle]

I think the issue that you reach in Havocs in higher missions is just how many more hp breaks things have due to all the resistances. not even counting pus hardened. so brain burst is there for the odd pop from kinetic flayer to compound with the dots on the flame staff. and Brain burst is for those specialists who's hp is so low they still die to one burst even with all these added resistances. IE Bombers, snipers etc.

[pallid stream]

That’s under the assumption I take kinetic flayer

[acoustic isle]

sure but i suspect you get and agree with the overall point

[marble crater]

kek

[pallid stream]

I agree with your point

[acoustic isle]

Most of what i have seen has been smite or brain burst and very little of assail in those 30+ havocs

[pallid stream]

Though in higher havoc you are supposed to funnel everything in a choke point

So I don’t see the point of KF when you have inferno staff

Like I said bb fills a niche, that niche is long range specialist

If they’re being funneled, inferno is just better

[marble crater]

KF is very nice to instakill that one flamer or trapper that's hidden inside the horde, before they can do their stuff

[acoustic isle]

sure you're funneling things i just found the odd pop on an elite like a rager while you're flaming is just free extra damage that can cause a dead elite to show up or a pop on a bulwark causing a stagger. and the pop itself unless i am just crazy and seeing things that aren't there is a pretty decent aoe isn't it?

it's all just stacking together.

or like Sut just said that flamer or trapper around the corner

[marble crater]

Pretty sure I also saved someone from a crusher because KF happened to stagger them, not often, but it's nice when it happens

[pallid stream]

I mean if you're worried the flamer or bomber or trapper with start attacking you around the corner just spam m1

Since it has alot of stagger they will get staggered to death

[whole oxide]

that's entirely down to access to Psykinetic's Aura

[marble crater]

I'm not always in the position where I can stagger with m1 all the time, but need to burn with the charg and if they happen to enter the range while I do that and KF procs, perfect

[acoustic isle]

it is also just one node that just gives an extra boon to what you're already doing.

[half turtle]

man ngl running warp expenditure because mettle doesn't do anything feels like ass

like not in game but i just hate that it's on my skill tree

[marble crater]

Also found it useful to get rid of muties quicker, because it happens to proc while they come running or you poke them from behind and can't get the headshot

KF before was ass, but I actually like it now

[half turtle]

it's also pretty good running perilous combustion on trauma, you can get 7 stacks on everything instantly if you get a crit

unless it procs on the one guy who's pus-hardened in which case skill issue i guess

[marble crater]

Just trauma the ground out of range of the pus enemies, easy

[steel flame]

good news is pus hardened doesnt reduce damage over time so they die all the same

fire trauma go brr baby

[pallid stream]

Then that isn't KF or Inferno staff, that is just bad positioning

[celest valve]

For your specific stats, 60% is likely a tick after the damage and/or burn application. When the shooting action stops, another damage and burn proc is forced.

[marble crater]

Okay and which talent would you take instead of KF then?

[cyan portal]

Does that mean I might be able to find another peak somewhere else between 10-100% charge?

[pallid stream]

Essence harvest

[celest valve]

Potentially?

[pallid stream]

Or kinetic deflection

[cyan portal]

I guess I'll go looking

[pallid stream]

I'm trying both to see what I like more

[marble crater]

Why? Just have better positioning so you don't need the toughness regen

[acoustic isle]

But cant you have kf with both of those if you wanted? Lol

It's not like KF is really taxing those

[cyan portal]

Which specific stats do you think would effect it?

[celest valve]

Honestly these gains are so small unsure if worth. I would be more interested in the difference between 60% and 80% damage, dumping quell speed as a stat that's least likely to affect DPS in one rotation.

Since that's the main debate: how much does damage matter.

[cyan portal]

60% is a curious number because it is also the % at which flurry will sustain 5 stack blaze away

[celest valve]

(also share your findings with zealots pls cause flamer is almost identical in terms of mechanics)

[near wyvern]

I am not null dragon but my questimate is that it has something to do with blaze away down time vs charge time, makes sense that there is a sweet spot

[celest valve]

It could also be that sustaining 5 stack blaze away is what does it, with lower charge values being more optimal always :p

[pallid stream]

I don't understand your point. If you mean to pick at me for saying have better positioning okay but that doesn't have anything to do with which talents you picked. KF is just bad, if you compare it to essence harvest I think that one is alot more valuable than KF

[cyan portal]

That doesn't explain the massive drop from 60% to 58% though, if it was just a blaze away sweet spot you'd expect a normal looking curve around it

[celest valve]

(do make sure at least to have 80% charge rate if it exists, but curious about how much damage matters in practice)

[near wyvern]

This ain't true for beefy enemies, if you test min charge versus full charge you get slightly more DPS from full charge. The value of min charge is the fact that you have constant CC with minimal DPS loss due to always having blaze away up

[cyan portal]

The general trend is that longer charges have higher dps. That I found just going down in steps of 10. 60 was a strange outlier.

[nocturne dust]

I should really be asleep but

[celest valve]

it could also be something slightly different there lol

[nocturne dust]

the damage stat doesn't matter much at all

[acoustic isle]

But more to my point. Is it not strange to act like KF is preventing you from taking either of those talents you're mentioning? Why does it have to be one or the other 2?

[cyan portal]

in those results above, blaze away was dropping 5 stacks between each charge because it didn't also have flurry

[acoustic isle]

Don't misunderstand i am not making the case that KF IS better than those

im just pointing out it's a nice node to have as a bonus

[near wyvern]

Last time I checked staves had non linear scaling for charge to damage

[marble crater]

I was picking at you, yes. And I don't think KF is bad now so I play with it, the extra toughness doesn't matter a lot because I either have enough toughness regen already outside of Havoc or the toughness regen won't save me in Havoc, because there I sit in my bubble and chill

[acoustic isle]

yeah i guess i should make the point that i was only mentioning in relation to higher tier Havocs

like 30-40 lol

[summer prairie]

dogs havoc

[nocturne dust]

There was some testing done about dumping damage post Blaze Away and it was found that even on ogryns the TTK doesn't noticeably change if you dump damage. Warp Res is still a better dump to improve shriek times, but otherwise, yeh.

[cyan portal]

why would any scaling curve peak at 60 though, that is a very strange looking curve

[pallid stream]

If played there and I wouldn't even play this build now bc its a different playstyle

[pallid stream]

Sure if I have 1 extra talent point and nothing of value to take then yes I will take it. if you want to see the build I can send it

[celest valve]

Technically nothing in the game I've seen is directly exponential scaling.

[near wyvern]

Does it peak like that without blaze away? And make sure you don't have warp rider as well

[acoustic isle]

well i dont need to see any builds my man. We were just explaining to you why we took KF in those Havocs

[pallid stream]

I take the whole beggining talents except battle meditation

[acoustic isle]

and the merits of doing so

[celest valve]

However, flamer damage stats control the direct damage, the rate at which damage is applied, and the rate at which the damage ramps up.

Thus, curious about difference between 60% and 80%.

[pallid stream]

My problem with KF is that it does little damage to the enemies with the cooldown it has

[near wyvern]

Is the soulblaze damage also included in this table?

[pallid stream]

You're just better taking more survivability

[near wyvern]

Cause that has exponential scaling for the first 10 stacks then linear before staff cap

[celest valve]

likely necessarily so as I am unsure how to remove that.

[cyan portal]

from data points i've seen the curve seems to look something like this

[summer prairie]

not enough data points

[celest valve]

S curve actually

[summer prairie]

with that small differences

[celest valve]

it scales quickly but around the half way mark it starts going more logarithmic

[summer prairie]

did you also try <45%?

for not dropping stacks

[nocturne dust]

Again, testing showed no significant differences in TTK on ogryns so I would guess it is less than 100 damage difference on them (and probably way less, really). I didn't test it myself tho, I forget who did.

[cyan portal]

sure i didn't have any warp interactions. Will test next time without blaze away. Its late to do another series now though

[near wyvern]

If we really want to dive in it it's the first order smoothstep

[celest valve]

ya

[nocturne dust]

Anyway, I'ma run off. I really should be asleep.

[cyan portal]

yup, it helped dot dmg but fit the general trend

[celest valve]

You'd also need to use secondary, as the primary fire doesn't have the ramp up and uses a different formula.

[nocturne dust]

It was full-charge secondaries iirc.

[celest valve]

(primary might also be more efficient in building up burn unsure)

[near wyvern]

Last time I checked quell cancelled LMB applies around the same rate as RMB but costs more peril and you gotta really be good with the cancels

[celest valve]

...also interval increases at later stages of the ramp up, so it is entirely possible full charges result in lower DPS because of fewer ticks.

[cyan portal]

oh yeah, something I didn't record data for, but did notice, is very different peril efficiency for different charge %

[celest valve]

(the stats shown are average intervals and the interval slowly increases as damage does resulting in larger but slower damage ticks)

[near wyvern]

So we have non-linearity multiplied with non-linearity added to non-linearity and act confused because there is a weird bump at some point on the graph? SMH

[celest valve]

Yup! Plus charge non linearity as 0% charge presumably isn't 0 length :3

[cyan portal]

min charge seems to be 20%

[celest valve]

min charge could make it linear I suppose but

[near wyvern]

There are so many non-linearities here that I would say the curve looks surprisingly gentle given this is Fatshark scripting we are talking about

[celest valve]

I doubt most people could do better :p

[near wyvern]

I could do simpler

[celest valve]

it's surprisingly complex behaviors

[cyan portal]

I'm not sure why I've put so much effort into this. I don't really care about direct damage. It would be more useful to find the max stack application charge %. But that is more work to pull out of a recording

[summer prairie]

with many targets with stacks I imagine <45% should be best

you aren't applying direct damage to all of them

[near wyvern]

You can predict the point assuming linear application rate, crits will mess you up though so you gotta find a non-crit string

[celest valve]

Mostly I think quell speed or warp resistance will still be the dump stack. Even 10% DPS would be worth I think.

[cyan portal]

45% to sustain blaze away is better the more stacks you have out there.

[near wyvern]

If you inspect the weapon the burn roll gives an interval value

[cyan portal]

If you sweep to be applying max stacks in a very wide arc it nukes the direct damage anyway because it never ramps up on any target.

[near wyvern]

I use quellspeed dump cause I don't really manually quell, even at havoc 40

[cyan portal]

It will trigger mettle multiple times on the same target though which is handy

[summer prairie]

depends on how fast sweeps you do

[celest valve]

yeah you have to hit a target in 35% of the frames

for direct damage to be done and ramp up

otherwise it ramps down instead

[summer prairie]

35% shouldn't be that hard to hit

[near wyvern]

I just spin around like a blender and enjoy my wildfire

[cyan portal]

you get apply pretty much full stacks in a 140 arc, which if necessary is better than any direct dmg anyway

[near wyvern]

The most underrated fact about blaze away is that it increases your suppression and stagger allowing you to kneel peasants faster and push back poxbursters with RMB

[celest valve]

note damage also includes impact, and damage stat should also affect that. As damage has a power level distribution between the two.

but also damage scaling is low because of the exponential scaling

(as in lower damage range per tick because the tick rate also increases)

[hardy tulip]

What perks and blessings for great sword?

[jovial juniper]

Unstable and Shred?

Or was it riposte

Or was it Precognition

[quartz barn]

Wrath also works

Same for deflect

Most of it is personal pref

Would only run unstable when you have scriers however

Perks are cara unyielding

[celest valve]

You want either wrath, or to maintain high peril for warp splitting.

[near wyvern]

Atheneum has them listed with moves as well

[hardy tulip]

Thanks didnt notice guide was updated.

[strong gulch]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1004447866250613048/1316418356504694925/9deqzn.gif

[hardy tulip]

For great sword need specific build or can use whatever suits me?

[celest valve]

yes

[jovial juniper]

Getting clipped by gunners is crazy

[strong gulch]

I'm surprised that gunner didn't stop to kick em while he's down tbh.

https://tenor.com/view/the-simpsons-he-is-already-dead-stop-gif-5552043

[clear heath]

just read the athenium for the fgs cause i got curious
...huh? this thing has trouble against ragers?

this thing?
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1046914150363844779/1315913789044035604/fgs_ragers.mp4?ex=6759cc77&is=67587af7&hm=c1fa4a1f6afc5426946311c6b4458b67c572411dddc3a170e0e52f34a19d2995&

[marble crater]

I was chilling in my bubble yesterday and then the bubble went down two second later I was one(three) shot by three shotgunners right away, just deleted from the map

[patent mango]

its over

[strong gulch]

https://tenor.com/view/waah-waa-sad-wah-waaah-gif-25875771

[radiant ice]

Huh?

I’m sorry but both the Mk6 and Mk8 excel at dealing with sudden melee threats in your face

[cyan portal]

44% is the charge amount that first adds the 5th stack

[patent mango]

no bistol mention (but shredder somehow)

so over...

[radiant ice]

That’s why I run them on my staff builds, in case a melee breaks through the line or sneaks up behind me and needs emergency dealt with

Usually Crusher, sometimes Rager

[clear heath]

apparently stunning an entire rager pack and one shotting them from 5m away is still "a bit of trouble" or something
Wonder what he considers to not have trouble with them

[fringe garden]

I've been running shred and riposte for FGS on a DD bubble psyker. Warp splitting keeps the cleave goin and all that crit makes fantastic use of DD without the need for SG.

I really like SG, but bubble lets me carry far more easily

[radiant ice]

I mean even heavy chaining the Mk6 is respectable compared to most melee weapons on a Rager pack

And that’s brain dead

[radiant frigate]

mk6 siblings.. are we slow?

[radiant ice]

Tbh heavy changing the Mk8 pretty much ones taps each Rager, and has very little mobility penalty

[patent mango]

idk what they're talking about tbh

[radiant ice]

I prefer the Mk8 and that’s still slander to the Mk6 xD

[radiant frigate]

i like both!

[radiant ice]

Oh same, I use both

[radiant frigate]

big sword is big sword

[radiant ice]

In my two main Havoc builds, Fire uses Mk6 and Lightning uses Mk8

[clear heath]

yeah i have no issue with either but mk6 fits my build and playstyle more

[patent mango]

mk8 is cool but i wish it had a bit more (maybe a different heavy 2)

[radiant ice]

No, don’t you dare touch it

[radiant frigate]

bofadeez greatswords

[patent mango]

or heavy 1

[radiant ice]

The chained overheads I love

[patent mango]

2 same heavies is kinda guh

[radiant frigate]

the best combo

bonk into bonk

[radiant ice]

I disagree

[strong gulch]

It's slow for my taste, but that's just it... taste. The weapon is fine. I'd prefer a little bit more movement or attack speed or farther dodges.

[radiant ice]

Double strike down is bae

[acoustic isle]

i mean. any rager is an issue if you.. i dunno... don't dodge backwards lmao

these GS have such good pokes and overheads

just dome the ragers

[strong gulch]

Dodges aside, that is again largely taste.

[radiant ice]

Exactly my point, both greatswords are literally ideal melee for Ragers and Crushers

[radiant frigate]

i like how mk6 special leads into the shank heavy

[radiant ice]

Short of the DS4 I think you’d struggle to get better

[radiant frigate]

de imos good too

[clear heath]

yeah i'm trying to think what could possibly have an easier time

[strong gulch]

Yeah deimos is good too.

[radiant frigate]

obscur us probably good now too

[radiant ice]

The knife is good, but often works against the Psyker builds in high havoc

[marble crater]

No, you must make a choice, psykers will split in two camps and fight it out

[radiant ice]

And I find Deimos a bit risky when you have like 10 Crushers on you, standing still waiting for the push

[patent mango]

mk6 vs mk8 gang wars

[strong gulch]

FGS has range and force sword utility.

[radiant ice]

Not that the knife and Deimos aren’t good

[radiant frigate]

knife sucks!!

[marble crater]

A change of pace to the usual smite gang wars

[radiant ice]

All I’m saying is, specifically for Rager and Crusher swarms like the guide mentions, the Greatswords are our second best option behind the broken duelling sword

[radiant frigate]

no force and it's not even a sword!

[radiant ice]

So no idea wtf it’s on about

[radiant frigate]

much less a bigsword!

[acoustic isle]

being in the darktide discord just kinda made me think back to a joke from one of Seth's vids about another game

[clear heath]

maybe pygex only fights them with staves

[acoustic isle]

"If you ask every player in the community you will find out that every possible build under the sun. Is shit. Use them anyways"

[patent mango]

idk this guide is a little goofy on greatswords

[strong gulch]

I recognize that DS4 has higher single target damage, but I find it easier to tackle a pack of crushers with a FGS.

[radiant ice]

Trying to recreate my shriekless save by bopping a horde guy with my staff with Crack of Bone

[marble crater]

I just run away and lead them to the zealot

[shadow scaffold]

do somebody have a psyker build for havoc 40?

[radiant ice]

(If you cast inferno at 100%, you know you gonna pop at the end. But you can cancel the casting with a special attack bop. If this kills someone with Crack, you save yourself)

[radiant ice]

I have 2

[acoustic isle]

Technically he was talking about colonizing planets in Endless space 2

but i think the quote applies here

[radiant frigate]

that's because big sword makes you feel happy and safe

[strong gulch]

TRUE

[acoustic isle]

That's why being next to ogryn should make you feel nice and safe

[patent mango]

so jolly

[radiant frigate]

(nevermind the fact that ds4 can solokill 30 crushers)

[marble crater]

It does, every build is shit and good at the same time, depending on who you ask

[radiant ice]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/user/macabre

[patent mango]

only when they get guts greatsword

[radiant ice]

Both available there, take your pic

[shadow scaffold]

ty man

[radiant frigate]

swordgryn when?

[acoustic isle]

My favorite thing to do when i come across a pickaxe ogryn is to just smite the elite wave charging us and yelling "Ok big man time to go mining"

[radiant frigate]

or perhaps more like a slab (hah) of iron

[marble crater]

Ogryn pay for new weapons by getting their tree nerfed, be careful what you wish for

[acoustic isle]

so i have heard so many things about the tree lmao

[patent mango]

im hoping ogryn gets a tree rework

[radiant frigate]

the monkey's paw curls

[patent mango]

its so eepy

[acoustic isle]

it's a huge nerf that makes ogryn weak and impossible to play, it makes ogryn incredible. And so many others saying they didnt even notice the change lmao

i dont even know what the reality is

[radiant frigate]

the recent swaps are good

[patent mango]

miencraf

[clear heath]

i don't think it actually changed my stubber build tree

[radiant frigate]

when is feel no pain going to be a real keystone again

[idle aurora]

What's weapon wield speed? How fast you switch weapons?

[clear heath]

yeah

[eager mantle]

So hows the force greatsword. Limited time with the update

[haughty star]

it's amzeballs

pretty much the likeable qualities of both force swords we know and love wrapped up into one

[clear heath]

bad dodges is the only weakness

and honestly i can live with that

[haughty star]

it's tought me i really need to push more lol

[patent mango]

the only weakness is that you forget you have a blitz and ranged weapon

[clear heath]

simply iframe the crushers with your stationary -8 dodges

[patent mango]

neutral dodge 🔥

[haughty star]

that's why i built that stupid KF build for it lol

[patent mango]

funy

[haughty star]

i don't wanna assail

when using it

[patent mango]

assail be so fire then boom last time i used it was 10 minutes ago

[vernal temple]

played with a dev just now

[marble crater]

With the teeth frame?

[clear heath]

yeah

fatshark frame

[vernal temple]

yep

[marble crater]

Must be a reference to crunch

[acoustic isle]

When the leadership team is basically a commodore with a gun to the back of their head

[timber cairn]

was he any good? xd

[vernal temple]

yeah, fairly good

[timber cairn]

poetry

[pulsar halo]

User name "ThatZodiacGirl" character is female. "Was he any good?" Hilarious.

[acoustic isle]

Look we all know it is entirely plausible that it's also a dude lmao

[radiant ice]

We’re all GIRLs here

Guys In Real Life

[marble crater]

3/4 of my characters are female, but I am not

[radiant ice]

The only one of mine that isn’t is Ogryn

Because FatShark hate fun

Gimme big woman

[acoustic isle]

Or ogryn females are like dwarf females

you just cant tell the difference

[radiant ice]

Oh I love the new LOTR game for that

The tutorial instructor is a woman dwarf with a big ginger beard

And an androgynous Scottish voice

10/10

[spice oar]

4 psykers is peak squad

[acoustic isle]

i dunno 4 giant grenades is pretty great

[marble crater]

New LOTR game?

[spice oar]

I like my wizards

[radiant ice]

The dwarf one

Survival game where you play as Dwarves and have to reclaim Moria

[acoustic isle]

i love my schizo wizard money gang

[marble crater]

Ah that one

[radiant ice]

Genuinely really fun

Which surprised me big time xD

[marble crater]

The LOTR game before that wasn't so good

[acoustic isle]

you mean you DONT want to play as Gollum?

[radiant ice]

Also, femboy Ogryn when? I want mine to wear his heretic slaying thigh highs

[acoustic isle]

Ogryn with XXXXXXL programmer socks

[idle aurora]

Was wondering, riposte blessing works with empathic evasion? Or only melee dodge counts for riposte?

[radiant ice]

Tbh, in my experience that’s most programmer socks

[acoustic isle]

When you talk to the IT guy and he looks like Godskin noble from ER

[radiant ice]

It’s funny

I was just away to say there are only 3 types of programmers

Angry dwarf

Either of the Godskin duo

[marble crater]

[radiant ice]

And it’s a dice roll which of the three are wearing the programmer socks

And it’s 50/50 if the other two own fursuits

[marble crater]

I don't think they work together

[radiant ice]

Yeah you have to manually dodge

It can be lasers you dodge

But you have to make the action I believe

[ripe obsidian]

I am of the Make My Character as Goofy as Possible Without Breaking Immersion school of RPG character design.

[radiant ice]

I just liking being pretty

Darktide makes that hard

But not impossible

[mossy oyster]

40k makes that hard*

considering everything wants to kill you at some point or another

or 98% of the universe is just suffering

[radiant ice]

Not true

Have you seen like 90% of official art?

[mossy oyster]

well I wouldnt wanna live in 40k land

[radiant ice]

Every single person is beautiful as fuck xD

Even the more rugged people are ruggedly beautiful

[mossy oyster]

those created by God(Emperor) himself dont count

[pulsar halo]

I just want hair that doesn't look like I put my head in a blender.

[radiant ice]

I kinda like the hair tbh

It should be stylised to all hell

But humans should look human

Else we have the situation where basically only 1 female head and 2 male heads exist

Cause almost no one uses the others

[patent mango]

they just gotta add more fancy drip

[marble crater]

I don't have a problem with some of the heads looking like they do, but the majority of them look like they were dropped 100 times as a baby

[mossy oyster]

40k times

[marble crater]

[half turtle]

damn wildfire actually doing an insane amount of extra damage for me

like 2-3xing my soulblaze damage on bubble trauma

crazy

[dire warren]

Is anyone else finding the Forcepush on the Mk VIII Greatsword janky? Maybe it's just horde panic, but I swear half the time he just fist bumps and I have to restart the whole animation; also rarely follows up with the stab after.

[clear heath]

no

[half turtle]

yeah it works ok for me

might be lag or somethin

[dire warren]

Thanks. And yeah, Wildfire has been a blast to play with. I was a malice main until the new sword dropped. Then I worked out a fire build and I'm looking for BIGGER HORDES.

[quartz barn]

Its prob just your timing, because its not your usual push attack

[radiant ice]

Exactly!

People say Wildfire is trash have never used it

[quartz barn]

Because its effectiveness depends on your weapon and build

[radiant ice]

I say it does drop off a little in a true inferno staff build, but in any other Soulblaze build it’s amazing

[half turtle]

yeah i just figured it would be bad in havoc bc of the bonus hp on trash mobs, i've always kinda liked it in aurics

[quartz barn]

Good for trauma because it can only apply 6 stacks

[lone ravine]

Wait what’s the adm for soulblaze?

[quartz barn]

Less good on purg because purg applies way more, so it gets less returns from wildfire

[lone ravine]

I know we have a chart for bleed dmg

[radiant ice]

ADM?

[half turtle]

i assume damage

[lone ravine]

Armor dmg multiplier

[half turtle]

oh

[quartz barn]

Its in the pinned messages

[radiant ice]

Oh basically if they have carapace you tickle their toes

Otherwise they die instantly

[quartz barn]

Oh wait idk if we have that

[lone ravine]

That’s just the base dmg, not multipliers for armor classes

[radiant ice]

In actual gameplay/off paper terms xD

[quartz barn]

Maybe in the guide

If not pygex might know regardless

[radiant ice]

Carapace centre of mass reduces Soulblaze damage by 90%

[dire warren]

Would Carapace be the wall of Bruisers and Crushers that just MELT to soulblaze?

[radiant ice]

Bruisers?

[mossy oyster]

are you making sure you do the entire force push animation?

its kind of a 2-parter

[half turtle]

it's in the atheneum

in the section on soulblaze

[dire warren]

Err the shield ogryn

[mossy oyster]

part 1 : close your hand , part 2: push it outwards (for force pushing)

[radiant ice]

Crushers still have 90% damage reduction to Soulblaze, it’s just Soulblaze damage is nutty. Not as nutty as bopping their head with a pointy melee

[latent hill]

Has anyone else so far gotten this?

[half turtle]

crushers are the only enemy who are carapace "base" i think

[radiant ice]

You’re late

[half turtle]

dots only care about the base armor type

[clear heath]

scab rager might be

[latent hill]

Well at least I’m not alone.

[clear heath]

idk if they changed the dot armor type for the ragers when they changed chests to cara

[half turtle]

i think they count as flak base but the meat grinder armor type label is bugged? that's what someone mentioned earlier

[radiant ice]

Me and @ripe obsidian got it first try at 35 xD

[half turtle]

but i haven't tested

[radiant ice]

It’s not that bad imo with decent coordination

[latent hill]

Ahh. I got it first try with @indigo viper

Well it was my first try anyways

[radiant ice]

It’s funny I just straight haven’t had time to get to 40 yet

Cause hosting each level is a long grind when you work 10 hour days

[latent hill]

Neither have I

[radiant ice]

But I got TS xD

[latent hill]

Yep.

[half turtle]

i mostly pubbed but i just haven't seen any >30 lobbies for the last two days

so i gotta wait a week for my havoc rank to update i guess

great system

[radiant ice]

Host

[half turtle]

yeah my personal rank is still 28

it's just too much effort when i don't have a premade to play with

[radiant ice]

That’s why I’m still 35 xD

[latent hill]

How funny we got ts in the same circumstances

[radiant ice]

Psykers are just too skilled

We can’t even play the game as much as others cause irl commitments

But still get the difficult penances done as soon as we get there

Skill issue for others

[acoustic isle]

Imma still go insane and try to get True survivor. But i'll be happy with getting Havoc forged within a week of the patch coming out lol

[radiant ice]

Best advice is two book Zealots and a bubble Psyker

Makes it super easy

4th slot is flex

[acoustic isle]

in fairness that is the set up that precisely got me my 40 run on carnival lol

[radiant ice]

We had a shouty Vet

[acoustic isle]

also shouty vet with shredder frags yeah

Vet and I had the DPS the zealots basically kept us alive

[radiant ice]

Yup

[acoustic isle]

which is such a weird feeling because so often than not i was never really going for DPS in this game and always tried to get the support stuff

but wound up always getting highest damage in my matches

[radiant ice]

Six took this screenie cause I can't be bothered with Scoreboard or trying to read it XD

[acoustic isle]

it's just here I was purposefully shooting for DPS

[radiant ice]

But that was our TS run

I was just bubble and nuking while everyone shouted at the enemies around me xD

[acoustic isle]

My scoreboard is not nearly as detailed but i posted this before. this was the 40 run damage screen

[latent hill]

I had two zealots, 1 with fire grenades the other with daggers, both with relic, and vet with shredder and the voice of command

[acoustic isle]

honestly i wont pretend i know better but the daggers feel like something folks dont wanna take no?

[radiant ice]

I want to make my own Scoreboard mod with blackjack and hookers but tempted to just make a plugin instead

[acoustic isle]

or is the damage still high enough to justify it?

[radiant ice]

Daggers is insane

[acoustic isle]

throwing knife i should specify

not the combat knife melee

[radiant ice]

Purely for not eating your vets grenade pool and still one tapping elites

And spammable

[acoustic isle]

So it does still kill enough interesting

[radiant ice]

Even though they are 100% the worst grenades, I like the Molotovs though

[acoustic isle]

i always liked knife was just worried with all these damage fall offs i worried it wouldn't be usable

[radiant ice]

Not for damage but area denial, enemies who aren’t already on fire won’t walk onto it

So if surrounded you can throw it one way and fight the other

Or block off one end of a corridor

Prevent a spawn door letting people out

[ripe obsidian]

We did. It's not too bad if you can trust your teammates and have a meta setup.

[radiant ice]

Pretty damn good with brainiac use

[ripe obsidian]

It's the teams that aren't prepared that get screwed up.

[clear heath]

throwing knife on zealot is popular for pathing reasons just cause it's just below second wind, which is taken on every build

[ripe obsidian]

Even with my suboptimal build, I think I took like 90 damage total. Book and bubble too strong

[acoustic isle]

i know that on these runs sprint speed has been a life saver for plenty the zealots going in

[clear heath]

i hate that zealot tree needs to commit 4 points for a grenade

[acoustic isle]

specially if they just gotta reposition

[quartz barn]

Does knife onetap the green bois?

[latent hill]

I forgot what ranged one of them used but I know the other used flamethrower.

[quartz barn]

Or does it also get the dmg reduction

[acoustic isle]

i imagine the pus hardened prevents the knife from killing really

but goop it's probably not all that big a deal

[ripe obsidian]

Yeah. I suck with the knives so I lose points elsewhere.

[quartz barn]

I mean even if it doesnt kill its a free stagger

So you can close the gap and melee

[latent hill]

As for the yellow, I believe it was survivalist, toughness damage reduction, and mine which was ability cooldown

Vet was using plasgun as well…

[ripe obsidian]

I think all of my successful 35+ runs have been 1 VoC, 1 book zealot, 1 bubble, and then a second of one of the above (usually book)

[latent hill]

The run that bumped me to lvl 38 primarily involved a damn stealth zealot…

It was basically a cat and mouse game she was playing with a chaos spawn and admonition champion… along with a whole lotta ogryns and other crap

[timber cairn]

https://tenor.com/view/gandalf-delayed-gandalf-delayed-gif-22956009

[ripe obsidian]

Stealth is sorta kinda like book only worse in almost every way

[latent hill]

Pfeh… twenty eight deaths but we still got bumped up to it.

[late sapphire]

stealth is only ok on smoke nade vets

stealth zealot sucks

[ripe obsidian]

Unless you're much better at the game than me, you need to build selfless instead of selfish. Stealth is for solo runs so you can hack.

[late sapphire]

stealth zealot can revive goodly and clutch

[ripe obsidian]

Is that so? I know not.

[late sapphire]

but with another chorus zealot you just dont die

The most effective config i've had so far was bubble smiker, bubble purgatus, chorus zealot x2 - genuinely braindead even in havoc 40

[latent hill]

Yeah, the zealot basically just ignored everything for a lot of the time, letting the heretics circle round round

She got us up a couple times to let us try to whittle down the hordes

Before inevitably dying… again and again

[ripe obsidian]

As was said a few messages prior, stealth Zealot is great for reviving. But chorus Zealot means you don't have to revive in the first place.

[ripe obsidian]

That sounds silly and honestly not that fun.

[late sapphire]

Very much

[ripe obsidian]

I guess one or both of the Zealots had bolters for specials?

[late sapphire]

i believe one had a bolter the other revo

[clear heath]

Does revolver still meet breakpoints on havoc?

[late sapphire]

all encounters just consisted of the smiker smiking, me flaming, the zealots picking off crushers and specials and alternating chorus sometimes

[ripe obsidian]

Well, a win is a win, I guess

[late sapphire]

bosses were interesting but most of them are invalidated by bubble and chorus

bon and champion both get fucked by a simple bubble, all bosses get perma stunned by 2 choruses

[ripe obsidian]

While I don't love Havoc very much because of the narrow meta, I do like the greater necessity of coordination and the value of positioning. That team comp removes those elements.

[clear heath]

bubble bullying burgle is so funny

[summer prairie]

psykinetic is just way too strong, it shouldn't affect the whole team or have a cooldown

[ripe obsidian]

It's just not fun that shotgunners, gunners, and shooters have no real visual or audio cue but can still 100 > 0 you instantly. I had a match where I didn't realize I was standing next to a spawn point, then two shotgunners blasted me through the door before they'd even stepped fully out.

Like, if a non-silent special gets me, fine.

[clear heath]

shotgunners do have audio cues, but the game's audio is ass and barely functions

[summer prairie]

or make it elites only

[sinful peak]

fgs or deimos for single target? (havoc bosses)

[ripe obsidian]

DS4

[sinful peak]

I like deflector

[ripe obsidian]

DS4's mobility is more valuable, and bubble supercedes deflector

But of the two, probably Deimos

[ripe obsidian]

Do they? I have heard them rack their shotguns after they shoot, but I don't know of anything beforehand

[vale cobalt]

do builds exist before level 30?

[ripe obsidian]

Eh, not really.

[vale cobalt]

shits ass

[ripe obsidian]

Psyker pre-30 kinda relies on Assail

[sinful peak]

what armor are captains

[silver mantle]

Gunners I hear, shotgunners never

[late sapphire]

Not really just grab assail and subnodes and warp splitting and go from there

[ripe obsidian]

Maybe unyielding? I will find out

[silver mantle]

Scab Gunners have the "moving into position yells" with the voxstatter

[ripe obsidian]

Looks like flak

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/enemies/scab-captain

[silver mantle]

Would never build for scab captain tbh

[ripe obsidian]

I often hear "Foooor Nuuuuurgle" as they start shooting, but I am not sure about before that

[late sapphire]

traitor captains are total pushovers

[ripe obsidian]

https://tenor.com/view/stick-beat-up-kung-fu-on-ground-loss-gif-17444309

How it feels fighting a captain

[sinful peak]

idk man sometimes they got hands

[silver mantle]

Pmuch

[late sapphire]

They are so easy to fight you sometimes forget the overhead is a oneshot

[silver mantle]

Their's an overhead?

[patent mango]

so peak....

[late sapphire]

The guys with the crusher can overhead and kill you yeah

[marble crater]

Found out the hard way

[late sapphire]

The sword captains can pull off awesome combos too but usually they only get any hits in when their animation bugs out

[silver mantle]

The desync captain

[late sapphire]

I've gotten my ass whooped by one who was 'walking' around while doing a ten blow combo

[silver mantle]

Is dangerous

[clear heath]

am pretty sure they also rack at the start

[marble crater]

The worst thing about the captain bosses is the monstrosity that spawns with them, the captains alone are easy to deal with

[ripe obsidian]

Oh, fair.

I guess I just miss it in the chaos

[clear heath]

at this point havoc has trained me to bubble the moment i hear any gun related sound

[late sapphire]

It's easy to have one person keep the captain busy and the rest kill the monstrosity

[marble crater]

Yes if the group is a bit coordinated, so far my groups are 50/50 on that

[compact cargo]

Imagine running bubble in havok

and not venting every 10 seconds

Just in the off chance someone is hiding behind a bin

[latent hill]

A bin?

[silver mantle]

Bubble helps prevent the whole team dying before the elavator doors open

[compact cargo]

Bin cover "slot" is buggy and shooters sometimes clip into them

[clear heath]

I run ek staff so i get the privilege of being able to spin around while spamming it to find enemies

[silver mantle]

which is how my 25 run ended

[compact cargo]

Trauma maxing here, no spin for me

[zinc phoenix]

force shove knocking them all down vs ds just letting you poke em

[late sapphire]

This is a neat trick on all weapons

[ripe obsidian]

Yeah, I mostly do. Sometimes I miss it and become swiss cheese.

[late sapphire]

Particularly dueling sword pokes

If you flail your mouse while poking you can hit even if you missed

[zinc phoenix]

tends to be something in all games with melee, the mouse drag on the attack

mount and blade had it and it was a significant piece of dueling tech against other players

[late sapphire]

It's a consequence of the way it's programmed

Wouldn't be thaaat hard to specifically avoid it but nobody bothers

[latent hill]

Hmm.

[zinc phoenix]

it allows you to do big whirlwind slashes in darktide

[latent hill]

Can you hit more enemies with the greatsword doing that?

[zinc phoenix]

i think the general consensus is its cool

[latent hill]

Well speak of the devil

[late sapphire]

With the attack yes the glowy slash no

[hazy moss]

https://tenor.com/view/tank-gif-15070190

[late sapphire]

Where are the whirlwind slash macro users

[hazy moss]

tanker

[late sapphire]

It's all lmb quell cancel slop

[strong gulch]

Even with just spamming heavies, I find the FGS easier. I think it might be the reach and the overheads.

[zinc phoenix]

the reach is very nice

are you mk8 or mk6?

[strong gulch]

mk6

[zinc phoenix]

with mk8 i have to shove anyway for megapoke so every armored nut is getting tossed

[ripe obsidian]

I'm a coward using Agile on DS4. Poke and dodge.

[strong gulch]

overhead then low to high stab

[radiant ice]

Agreed this is 100% the best team comp

Well close enough

I believe inferno + lightning staff is better than Inferno + Smite

Cause Smite stops you being able to chokepoint unless the person is good with it, which Smykers rarely are

[strong gulch]

Whatever works 🫡

[marble crater]

Better a coward and alive than a hero and dead. Dead people don't deal damage

[radiant ice]

Dead rejects tell no tales

[half turtle]

hm is in fire reborn good in blaze trauma

or rather is it better than the other node that gives 4% on any kill

[radiant ice]

Fire Reborn is real good

Cause it's also any kill

Fire Reborn doesn't mean the enemy has to die to your fire, or even killed by you

[zinc phoenix]

me on my way to peril kamizake

[upper sun]

bro would have been executed in every single legion except white scars and ultra marines

[radiant ice]

The enemy just has to die while on fire from your soulblaze

[strong gulch]

They are both good. Infire reborn has higher potential to refund while the other one offers more consistency.

[radiant ice]

Whether you kill them, someone else does, or they fall of a ledge

[split lance]

I’d rather go out in a blaze of glory. Than alive as a shameful coward

[marble crater]

Just don't expect to be picked up afterwards

[half turtle]

hmm i have to kill it with in fire reborn though right

whereas vampire always gives the 4% chance even if an ally gets it?

[radiant ice]

No read my posts!

You don't have to kill anything

[ripe obsidian]

My issue with the FGS currently is that every time I go to poke a mauler, some poxwalker shouts "Get down mister president!" and eats the attack

[radiant ice]

They just need to die in any way, from anyone, while on fire

[half turtle]

oh does in fire reborn work on enemies you don't kill?

[late sapphire]

Fella had surge and smite and was pretty smart

[half turtle]

rip ability text

[marble crater]

While we are on the topic, are warp charges bugged in the UI? Sometimes I don't see them at all

[radiant ice]

If you light a horde on fire, but then an Ogryn throws a bomb at the crowd, you still get 10% on every death

[half turtle]

i guess i should reinstall that mod that fixes the ability texts

[late sapphire]

We had a situation or two where i went from pants shitting terrified to half a sleep in about 10s

[clear heath]

aim higher

[late sapphire]

As the huge ambush of mixed horde + bulwarks + crushers just locked up and then died

[clear heath]

maulers are taller than poxwalkers

[radiant ice]

UI can only hold 9 buffs, if you get a 10th one it won't display, even if you lose the other 9, even if it refreshes duration

[zinc phoenix]

yeah pretty irritating

[radiant ice]

You have to lose the buff entirely and regain it

[zinc phoenix]

especially with the poke

[late sapphire]

Make your character taller

[half turtle]

i ended up installing a hud mod that just shows little purple circles in the middle of the screen for warp charges

[strong gulch]

In fire reborn just need SB to be on the enemy and it dies. You don't have to kill it. It doesn't have to die by SB. You don't have to be the one to apply the SB.

[half turtle]

it's really nice

[zinc phoenix]

i'll perfectly aim for the crusher head and whoops a random pox walker

[late sapphire]

I've got 3 extra buff slots in the middle of my screen, one of them is for ep/ws/dd charges

[zinc phoenix]

or i'll knock a rager and whoops its the bruiser that eats it

[radiant ice]

I use Better Buffs and made custom Psyker only bars next to my Stamina

[half turtle]

huh like if someone else applies soulblaze on an enemy 100m away and it dies, i still get 10% warp charge proc?

[late sapphire]

This is so smart sibling

[marble crater]

So if I have 9, warp charges is number 10. I lose 5 buffs, it will only show up after I use my charges and get new ones? That would explain so much

[radiant ice]

Yes

Same for any buff

[zinc phoenix]

i just ignore the buff bar

YAGNI

[radiant ice]

So a custom bar that is only all the Psyker stuff with Better Buff, can't reach 10

So will always display them all when you have them

[clear heath]

I've had multiple buff bars for a while so i've never noticed the buff bugs

[marble crater]

Well, no wonder that my warp charge testing for the two nodes was totally useless then

[radiant ice]

Better Buff ftw

[clear heath]

I have more important buffs as a separate bar
and another bar for auras that i tuck in the corner

3 bars total

[strong gulch]

IDK if there is a max range, but you don't even have to be in coherency as far as I know. I might be mixing up souldrinker and in fire reborn tho. They are similar with slight a difference.

[half turtle]

huh

that's crazy if true

[marble crater]

Buff bar mods must be nice

[half turtle]

i guess i shoul djust use in fire reborn 100% of the time

[radiant ice]

No has to be your fire

[half turtle]

if i run any soulblaze at all

[radiant ice]

But you can then run 40 miles away

And it still triggers if they die from falling off an edge

Or if a teammate shoots them

Coherency or not

[late sapphire]

🤔 So you have to keep stealing soulblaze stacks?

That kinda sucks

[radiant ice]

Nah, if you both run Soulblaze, you put 4 stacks and they put 4 stacks. Enemy has 8 stacks and it counts as both of yours for Fire Reborn

[strong gulch]

Or you have a purg/ inferno user on the team, but if they go down and you don't have good SB app you're sol.

[radiant ice]

Cause you've both Soulblazed the enemy

[strong gulch]

No, it doesn't

[ripe obsidian]

"Grants a 10% chance to gain a warp charge when an enemy who is currently affected by Soulblaze is killed either by Soulblaze, by Psyker, or by an ally. This effect has no range limit and benefits all Psykers who have this talent equipped."

[half turtle]

hm i thought for scoreboard+buff purposes the stacks belong to the initial applier

[clear heath]

personally i only run fire reborn on inferno builds

[ripe obsidian]

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3094028505

[radiant ice]

Ohh right it got updated!

Yes any Soulblaze now!

My bad

[marble crater]

that's amazing then

[strong gulch]

I don't blame you. This game is obtuse.

[radiant ice]

In Fire Reborn is GOATed anyway

It's pretty much perma stacks

[marble crater]

The text being wrong and buffs not showing up really doesn't help with this, at all

[strong gulch]

It doesn't explain things well, is missleading, or is wrong in its descriptions.

[modest patrol]

Popping in to say that I ran with your flames of havoc build Dominaya - it's excellent

[radiant ice]

I know

(Glad you like it XD)

[modest patrol]

As you should lol

[marble crater]

(I stole the build as well, can't be that great though because I didn't do 40 or true survivor yet)

[modest patrol]

I haven't done a ton of havoc tbh, but I ran it in some auric earlier today and good ol' damnation last night

[strong gulch]

Anyone do 4 orgryn havoc 40 while drunk yet?

[radiant ice]

I would probably switch to 3 Toughness Curios and run CDR, HP, Toughness as the perks for Auric

[modest patrol]

Ogryn is a class I haven't played at all yet

[strong gulch]

same

[half turtle]

hmm i played it in a monstrous specialists maelstrom that i had to duo because of timeout and we wiped on the end event because i tanked a mauler overhead LOL

[radiant ice]

HP with Corruption Resist is purely a Havoc measure

[half turtle]

but it felt really strong there

the fact that we were missing two players didn't even feel like it mattered

[marble crater]

Ogryn is fun, you should play it and bully all the ragers and other melee elites

[half turtle]

more damage for purg

[modest patrol]

I'm on Rogue Trader atm but I can screengrab the exact curios I have, that's one thing I didn't duplicate

[marble crater]

Stand in hordes and just spam heavy attacks

[late sapphire]

is it enough to survive a crusher overhead?

[radiant ice]

Yeah I need to elaborate more in the description that the wild Curio setup is purely for Havoc 35-40

And the brutal reductions + modifiers that exist there

The Curios are pretty bad outside that

[radiant ice]

Ehh I don't know, I dodge those

[marble crater]

I use them at 26 as well, they work great, imo

[radiant ice]

Probably not, you can survive a sniper round or two though

[half turtle]

idk i played it in an auric cuz i couldn't find any havoc lobbies and it didn't even matter

[late sapphire]

I have seen poor siblings get turned into red mist immediately

[modest patrol]

I see crusher, I run/dodge.

[late sapphire]

Not survive as in not go down but as in dont lose 1 wound of hp to corruption from the hit + 1 from down = dead

[half turtle]

i mean who even needs gunner resist or whatever, just don't get hit by gunners

[radiant ice]

Okie bad is maybe overexaggerating, but definitely not optimal XD

[half turtle]

actually i've just unironically been running 12% cdr in everything now

[radiant ice]

I run three of these instead in that build on Auric

[half turtle]

cdr is so good

[marble crater]

Better get used to having low toughness early on, can only help with the later havoc levels

[radiant ice]

It helps I have 3 of every curio type maxed XD

[zinc phoenix]

nice

i have very few max curio 😂

[marble crater]

Had to spend 30k melk bucks to get two 21% health curios

[half turtle]

oh i should do that

i forgot you could do that

[radiant ice]

Melk is the curio vendor now

[modest patrol]

I'll be honest I have corruption resist at all times

[half turtle]

yeah i have like 150k melk bucks

that i have never spent ever

[radiant ice]

I don't find too much value outside Havoc, but saw it there. TBH I disagree with meta curios anyway

Curios are definitely personal pref

Use whatever work for you

[late sapphire]

Have you tried Battle Meditation in high havoc?

It's way better

[radiant ice]

I just think HP stacking for Psyker is amazing in Havoc

You are only like 20HP off an Ogryn

[half turtle]

is that just bc the quell amount isn't reduced

or is there some other reason

[late sapphire]

Yes

[half turtle]

yeah that does sound pretty good

[late sapphire]

In turn 8x better or so

[half turtle]

i always avoided it because it made my peril stuff random and it made it harder to edge

but i should probably try it on havocs

[ripe obsidian]

This is my purg build for havoc:

[radiant ice]

I think Battle Med is nice, but prefer other options for Inferno

[marble crater]

It is, because toughness is worthless if you get looked at by a gunner or shooter rather have the health for all the corruption you will run into at some point, it's a good build

[radiant ice]

Use it on my lightning build though

Inferno doesn't really generate that much peril for it to be as useful as Soulstealer imo

And you nose dive your peril too fast

[modest patrol]

Alright, got to a pause point on RT so here's my curio selection

[strong gulch]

Curios still being RNG heavy compared to weapons bugs me.

[radiant ice]

I like it, personally don't feel Stamina regen needed on Psyker since we have the highest base anyway by far

But can't knock it, it's a good perk

[marble crater]

Maybe I should remove BM so I don't gamble on it saving me from a warp explosion did that a few times with... mixed results

[radiant ice]

I don't find one with the warp too necessary on Havoc, I take it on my lightning but was thinking of swapping to Perfect Timing with it

Cause it doesn't feel like it's really doing much in high havoc XD

[ripe obsidian]

Fair. I refuse to give up Kinetic Deflection, though. >:(

[zinc phoenix]

its one of the more efficient quell sources in 35-40

b/c it isnt modified by the quell modifier

[modest patrol]

I secondary zealot and I miss the speed anytime I switch back

[zinc phoenix]

so you still get 10%

[marble crater]

In that case I will keep it and get used to it

[radiant ice]

New lightning, can drop PT for KD if wanted

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9daef482-8855-431e-83dd-bea9510bb772/support-lightning-havoc-35-40

I need to update the description for this one anyway

I'm not sure what I'd drop on Flames of Havoc for KD

Maybe Essence Harvest, even though I think EH is a super underrated perk and more people should take it

Especially in Soulblaze builds

Cause the combo with In Fire Reborn is insanity

[late sapphire]

Where do you get the images

[radiant ice]

Refreshing Warp Charge at max stacks still triggers Essence Harvest

[late sapphire]

eh suuuuuckssssss

[radiant ice]

You suck

[late sapphire]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1046914150363844779/1311009529894539324/unnamed.gif

[zinc phoenix]

isnt smite jump +1 only for the left click?

[radiant ice]

Which is still useful when two Ragers pop up in your anus and you have no time to charge

But I thought it was both now and that got fixed

[zinc phoenix]

either way, i feel like kinetic deflection would be way more useful 😂

esp with force greatsword where you can force push the ragers away

[radiant ice]

I mean fair yeah

[zinc phoenix]

oh nice they fixed it

[radiant ice]

I have said before when talking with Dead that I totally understand taking KD, it's an insanely good perk

I just personally am not a fan

I don't block for long enough for it to matter, only a hit or two until I either get out the way, stun or kill whatever is hitting me

It's one of those things that I just realised wasn't doing absolutely anything for my playstyle

[marble crater]

Change your playstyle

[radiant ice]

Only if you catch up to my impossibly amazing skill level, how's that for a deal?

[marble crater]

Depends on the skill level

[latent hill]

KD…?

[zinc phoenix]

the biggest annoyance i have with KD is it sucks with SG 😂

[radiant ice]

Kinetic Deflection

[radiant ice]

Oh I'm trash at this game

[marble crater]

Me too, so maybe I already reached your skill level

[ripe obsidian]

Honestly, I feel like if you're good enough to do Havoc 35+, the build you use isn't that important.

So long as it's reasonable

[acoustic isle]

Ah but see you put the qualifier "reasonable" in there

Thus debate ensues

[ripe obsidian]

Reasonable meaning not being a stealth zealot or an assail SG gunker stealing all the ammo

[lone ravine]

What about a stealth psyker and a SG gunzealot

[ripe obsidian]

That's okay

[radiant ice]

This is so true for most of the game

The build is just to emphasise your own strengths in your playstyle

[split lance]

Bubble

[radiant ice]

Which is why I don't KD, cause I just don't use it. I am aware other Psykers can use it to amazing clutch effect

[ripe obsidian]

tbh I feel like I thrive in more support roles in most games

[radiant ice]

I play a lot of MMOs and am always the healer

[lone ravine]

KD when I never block:

[split lance]

Even on support. I still try to get most kills/dmg

[radiant ice]

My favourite way to play the game is my lightning support or book zealot. I just wish we had proper Psyker biomancy for heals

[ripe obsidian]

I was a tank when I played ESO. Never had to wait for the dungeon finder.

[radiant ice]

I just genuinely enjoying healing in games

Give us Biomancy FatShark

[strong gulch]

I'm a KD user. I also played unchained in VT2 that had basically the same thing. I'm locked in.

I totally get people not picking it, especially if you play other classes that can't have KD. It's one of the reasons I was happy for the updated tree that allowed people to not path into it so they could have better consistency.

[radiant ice]

You know what's funny, I gave that feedback before and they did

They gave us middle tree, which is a bunch of Biomancy moves

Smite being the core of Biomancy attacks in 40k

[split lance]

Can you play marvel rivals with me

[radiant ice]

But 80% of the rest of Biomancy is heals and survival -_-

[royal current]

Whats the dumpstat for the Electrokinetic staff?

[split lance]

Will you be my heal slut

[split lance]

Warp res

[radiant ice]

Warp Resist

[royal current]

I had a feeling thanks

[split lance]

Idk what that means

But please

Be my heal slut

[radiant ice]

No idea what you mean

[split lance]

https://tenor.com/view/love-charlie-wilson-valentines-day-forever-valentine-gif-11814133771238970328

[split lance]

That community. Idk what that is

[latent hill]

Make me the… what man?

[split lance]

Happiest

[latent hill]

Ahh.

[strong gulch]

I am not a 40k nerd. Biomancy sounds like a shit wizard to me. Like some dude running around and flinging poo.

[zinc phoenix]

accurate

[radiant ice]

Biomancy is basically "I am immortal, my friends are immortal, I can turn you into a flesh horror"