psyker-class

[radiant ice]

I have a confession

I didn’t like Rogue One

[pastel bough]

i still gotta watch andor, but rogue one was sick

[zinc phoenix]

off to the camps with you

[radiant ice]

I mean the last third was pretty cool

The first two were so boring

[lethal lagoon]

@nocturne dust @strong gulch Games?

[radiant ice]

I totally tuned out until her father got shot in the rain at that one point

[lethal lagoon]

[nocturne dust]

sure

[radiant ice]

Everything before that was awful

[lethal lagoon]

[radiant ice]

The ending I will say is some of the strongest SW has ever been, including the Original Trilogy

[split lance]

69

[radiant ice]

But damn what slop to get there xD

[split lance]

@nocturne dust @strong gulch 69

[nocturne dust]

https://tenor.com/view/rogue-one-stormtrooper-hey-stop-right-there-stop-right-there-hold-it-right-there-gif-22417905

[strong gulch]

I'm pretty exhausted. Ask @fiery stratus He's good and fun.

[lethal lagoon]

Hey, you there, check out that noise.

[fiery stratus]

oi

carry me pls

[split lance]

no

[fiery stratus]

yes

[split lance]

[pastel bough]

deadmines?

[radiant ice]

You should invite domshizzle, since you two get along so well

[split lance]

[lethal lagoon]

[split lance]

i dont actually dislike anyone

[fiery stratus]

[nocturne dust]

who

[split lance]

i just enjoy shit talking

anyone

anytime

literally

[nocturne dust]

what's a shizzle

[radiant ice]

Tren’s new friend who has some awesome meta takes on the game

[fiery stratus]

https://tenor.com/view/gaming-gaming-time-when-is-gaming-time-gif-19864238

[cyan portal]

@nocturne dust Purga direct damage does indeed have ranged falloff. Scrap all prior results, starting again. 592 dps at 15m, 786 at 3m.

[nocturne dust]

This is why I hate testing damage numbers. It's very, very annoying.

[cyan portal]

TIL at least..

[pastel bough]

i remember seeing this earlier in the week. for inferno staff is it bettter to dumpstat warp or burn? iirc it was because burn at 60 is like 1 or 2 dmg less

or is that for zealot flamer only

[radiant ice]

Definitely not burn

[nocturne dust]

warp res

[radiant ice]

Zealot Flamer you dump damage

[nocturne dust]

Never dump burn

[radiant ice]

Warp Resist

[pastel bough]

im glad i asked in psy chat , thanks gang

[cyan portal]

Optimal stats are warp resist 64, burn 76, everything else 80.

[nocturne dust]

isn't it mobility?

[radiant ice]

I find damage way better cause gawd damn that thing can be chonky

And the difference is like 1-2 damage on direct hit depending on distance

[nocturne dust]

We don't know that because we don't know if the burn application substat is being rounded in the UI

[split lance]

whys that optimal

[cyan portal]

burn 76 gives you the max stack cap

[radiant ice]

Honestly if you could get an Inferno with 35 warp resist and 80 in everything else, it’d be better imo

That thing can sometimes be a nightmare to get your peril up again if it drops

[restive stag]

i wish i could just like

[radiant ice]

But then no big 500 number and that would hurt my brain

[restive stag]

100 damage 100 burn 60 quell speed 100 cloud radius frfr

[nocturne dust]

@lethal lagoon I can hear tren.

[lethal lagoon]

foook

[radiant ice]

We all do

[split lance]

does bro have me muted

[radiant ice]

Blocked lmao

[split lance]

nah i can react to him

[cyan portal]

Sure, warp resist closest to 0 on staff is best, IF you're not using a force sword with warp resist closest to 0 to jump up peril even more quickly.

[nocturne dust]

No it ain't

Staves have no trouble getting up to high peril, you want enough warp resist that you spend as little time as possible quelling

[restive stag]

kinda real

[radiant ice]

I do take ER on my Inferno Havoc though, which I don’t usually outside it

Cause I’m perma trying to stay between 80 and 95 peril

[lethal lagoon]

nopers

😦

[radiant ice]

Where as normals I find above 60 is fine

[cyan portal]

How quickly can your staff get from 0 to 84 peril?

[nocturne dust]

You can check your audio settings and see if it has the wrong output

[lethal lagoon]

I played music and it was fine

[split lance]

are you sure your audio output is correct

for discord

[lethal lagoon]

I can hear the discord noti

[near hinge]

Anyone down to play with a new player
https://discord.com/channels/727074276724965407/1042857061551190147

[split lance]

no

[split lance]

join 70

[lethal lagoon]

no

😦

Ima go back to poe2 I guess

[nocturne dust]

Depends on the staff, but in aurics it doesn't matter because I stay at high peril the entire time

[lethal lagoon]

I already restarted my PC, I don't know what else this could be.

[split lance]

are you sure ur audi output is correct

audio

[lethal lagoon]

I can hear the discord notfis

[split lance]

just check

[fiery stratus]

hmm

[nocturne dust]

Even Inferno with ER can generate enough peril to consistently shriek

[split lance]

bc voice and video is different

[lethal lagoon]

say something

[split lance]

than noti sounds

[cyan portal]

Maybe more relevant, how quickly can you get from 50 to 80 peril? And how long can you chain cast from 80 peril before needing to quell or shriek?

[nocturne dust]

I'll give you numbers later, I am in match... if I remember

[wicked hornet]

How come I see people getting like 45% warp resist? I know how they are doing but why? what is the benefit from getting lower warp resist.

[urban geyser]

trapper is a cougar confirmed

[radiant ice]

Nosediving to 0% peril right before a fight is bad times

When your crit chance, damage and in some builds toughness DR is based off high peril

The damage of your shriek, the cleave of your melee or assail shards

0% peril is worse than 100% in several Psyker build ideologies

[wicked hornet]

ah okay. I'll see ppl with a purg staff with 45% warp resist

[radiant ice]

Yeah cause Inferno builds peril super slow

Means it’s super easy to manage at 80%+

[wicked hornet]

been wondering if I should try and roll 1

[radiant ice]

But if you accidentally nose dive it, a pain in the ass to get back up

[cyan portal]

@nocturne dust New results, at 5m Range vs Malice Pogryn (closer range will benefit direct dmg most).
Min charges with shrieking at 100 peril: TTK 41.7s, 718 dps, 11.4k direct dmg, 273 direct dps, 18.6k dot dmg, 446 dot dps.
Max charges with shrieking at 100 peril: TTK 38.6s, 778 dps, 14.1k direct dmg, 365 direct dps, 15.9k dot dmg, 412 dot dps.

[radiant ice]

IIRC a number several people have aimed for and said is good is around 32%/35%

Warp resist on Inferno Staff that is

[split lance]

guys this death felt too realistic

[radiant ice]

This is still clip of the month for me

[radiant ice]

Definitely, but not to Hadron levels

[patent jacinth]

5 wounds martyrdom

In havoc no less

What the fuck

[echo quail]

wats a purge staff?

[patent jacinth]

Inferno

Slang for the old name, Purgatus

[radiant ice]

Get with the times old man, it’ll be the sizzle slinger soon

[cyan portal]

Normally yes, but it depends how many elites/specials you kill to proc psyk aura CDR, or whether you've popped a yellow stim to overstack a monstrosity up to the 31 cap.

[urban geyser]

I see

[idle marsh]

I haven't won a single damn havoc game with psycher

I try my bestbut everyone dies

[plucky flax]

[bold cape]

as far as my understanding goes
psyker has the highest solo carry potential
but is like very highly dependent on skill

im definitely not that guy

[cyan portal]

Psykers are generally first or last to die

[idle marsh]

I just insta dropped from something

[wicked hornet]

thank you for that explanation.

[nocturne dust]

That's Zealot, simply because of how many safety nets they have

[fallen spindle]

Does playing psyker with that huge ass sword worth it?

[bold cape]

fgs is awesome

[fallen spindle]

This one

[bold cape]

it’s very good yes
i pair it with scriers and the melee talents
it goes hard

[fallen spindle]

I use that force ass thing

[steel flame]

i found it i found it oh my god i found it

YIPEEE

its beautiful

[cyan portal]

how much warp resist with finesse at 80?

[steel flame]

22 if i can math

[cyan portal]

I still haven't got my head around the math to predict

Is it like 5 total stat points per empower, split evenly between everything not yet capped at 80?

[steel flame]

i wish i could keep it at 1 for that sweet sweet 60% peril on special

[sturdy reef]

anyone wanna fuck around and do some auric maelstrom

[cyan portal]

I'd be tempted to just leave it at 1 and use it purely as a peril stick

[radiant frigate]

summons daemons upon activation

[steel flame]

it turns out i CAN math sometimes

[cyan portal]

your math is on point. What's the calculation?

[steel flame]

oh its perfect

exactly 50% peril on special

[cyan portal]

how much with ER in the build?

[steel flame]

28 ish

[nocturne dust]

It's 30%+ iirc

when wrap resist is 60

[cyan portal]

3 specials to 84 for max shriek

do the two gfs's have different peril gen % on special?

[steel flame]

no

aw

for some reason when i turned it gold it dropped to 45 peril

wierd

[wicked hornet]

are mods not working bc of update?

[steel flame]

nvm

i had different sword equiped

[plucky flax]

Sick sword

[main wyvern]

can i not do a higher havoc than my current level

[steel flame]

its perfect

[cyan portal]

if only gfs could bless uncanny I could've retired the deimos from my purga build

[plucky flax]

Yeah if you find higher host

[steel flame]

good luck finding one that will accept the request tho

[main wyvern]

i joined a higher one but the host said he couldn't start

thought it might've been me

[steel flame]

wierd

is there a 10 level limit?

[steel flame]

what level were you and the host?

[main wyvern]

apparently i regressed to havoc 12

and the host was 17

[steel flame]

ngl its probably a bug

[fallen spindle]

Wich "way" of the psyker should i follow?

[plucky flax]

Way of the bistol big sword

[patent jacinth]

I run Trauma with it to open bulwarks and panic blast at my feet

Bullets are overrated

[bold cape]

i use the recon with it
because i have the sword out 99% of the time

i also just like the recon

[patent jacinth]

Btw you can open a bulwark with a recon

It requires a specifc mk and half a mag

But you can do it

[bold cape]

you can what? oh

that seems mildly inefficient

i use the one that pisses ammo

xii i think

[ripe obsidian]

I might take my Meleeker back to Auric. Havoc shooters are bullies

[patent jacinth]

It isn't efficient at all

I just know about it because one of the pink name vet chatters found out

[main wyvern]

i didn't know i'd downgrade havoc otherwise i would have done more instead of leveling up masteries

[dapper grotto]

havoc 30+ has reduced quell speed?

[ripe obsidian]

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3375980903

[dapper grotto]

fuck our muscle memory is gonna be subjected to the warp

[potent echo]

Yes

But I think only active quelling?

Passive quelling seems to be the same

Stuff like cotb is also not affected

[restive stag]

okay wildfire is peak

[primal plume]

In the major leagues now

[torpid knoll]

What is the dump stat for mkIV dueling sword?

[wind spruce]

Cleave damage

[haughty star]

i can't get my friends to get their shit together and i don't have the patience for randoms lol

[main wyvern]

1 more victory and i'll be back to where i started

all i did was 1 havoc 12 last week and i thought i would just stay at 16

but it demoted me!!!

[ripe obsidian]

"At the start of the next week, a player’s Assignment Rank will update based on the highest cleared Assignment from the previous week. Note: The player’s Clearance Level, which represents the highest all-time Havoc Assignment completed and updates in real-time, will not go down each week."

Dumb system.

[late sapphire]

might have been a teammate

it's silly and doesn't tell you who is blocking the start

But usually when you can't start it's because (a) someone is loading (b) someone is in the quitter penalty state

[potent echo]

Either that or someone is changing characters

[steel flame]

ugh, i dunno what fatshark was trying to fix audio wise with the hotfix today but it sure as hell didnt fix 90% of specials being better at stealth than solid snake

[ripe obsidian]

I watched a burster silently run across a clearing, not even beeping right before the explosion

[steel flame]

only thing making this even slightly tolerable to play is the spidey sense mod and i really wish i didnt have to finally resort to that but after getting blown up by 5 completely silent bursters in a single havoc mission i had no choice

[gleaming dirge]

Some trappers have shroudfield

If the audio queue is fked it always means spidey sense won’t pick them up

[steel flame]

its been working for me so far

but it still isnt a substitute for the sounds when so much shit is on screen it drowns out the indicators with visual noise

i mean fuck i even had to turn on the NET! warning for the mod because i dont even get the trapper net sounds all the time anymore

its gotten so much worse after the havoc update its crazy

[gloomy magnet]

net so bad

[split lance]

@lethal lagoon getting drunk

2 more sec

[main wyvern]

what the hell is this!!

[split lance]

is someone loading

[lethal lagoon]

More like drinking from deez nuts

[azure karma]

What's best perks for voidblasst now

[split lance]

thats trauma right

nexus and blazing or rending and flurry

[inland ice]

yo im learning to play force greatsword rn and i notice that sometimes i get stuck with a massive slow debuff when fighting hella enemies

ik thats not a good explanation

but it feels like its when i run out of dodges im also just insanely slowed down

[split lance]

ur either out of stam or out of dodges

[inland ice]

[split lance]

and you need to stop moving for them to replenish

[inland ice]

then i will die

[split lance]

block

[inland ice]

does this mean i need a stam curio

[split lance]

no

[inland ice]

but i am blocking

[split lance]

u only need to stop moving for like

3sec

at most

[inland ice]

3 seconds while getting mogged by flamers and chaos spawn

[split lance]

thats a skissue

just

run

and

dodges come abck

back

[inland ice]

bruh

my positioning ass then?

[split lance]

possible

[azure karma]

I feel like the blazing combo is kinda bad

[inland ice]

maybe i need to quit using sigmas gaze

[plucky flax]

Tru blaze trauma so bad pls buff

[near wyvern]

Oooohohoo it is not. Especially now that havoc requires bubble maxing.

It is not about being the top DPS in the team (unless you go creeping flames), it's about being able to make an area where enemies cannot enter and still taking out the trash.

[azure karma]

Bruh why is our loadout limit only 5

[ripe obsidian]

https://www.nexusmods.com/warhammer40kdarktide/mods/209

[azure karma]

Aight but what happens when mods break after update? All extra ones didappear?

[ripe obsidian]

Reading is fundamental.

[azure karma]

Oh very nice, imma grab that rn tbh

Also asking is faster than reading, which is why we assign teachers to children, and not just have them read books all day, just food for thought

[mossy oyster]

Kinetic deflection is your friend

(If you aren’t already running it)

[ripe obsidian]

I am literally a teacher. I get annoyed at my students who don't read instructions and ask me, "What do I do now?" Note that these are college-aged students, too.

[restive stag]

yeah but as you grow and mature your reliance on your teacher to read things for you typically lessens methinks

[vapid sparrow]

A nerdoff is in place

[restive stag]

i win

[azure karma]

I read 16 hours a day sometimes. It's my primary hobby. But I don't think there is any shame in asking a question if it saves time.

[vapid sparrow]

No I think there's a different winner

💀

[restive stag]

i feel there is however shame if comes at the detriment of someone else's time

[azure karma]

They are not obligated to answer

[restive stag]

yeah but the typical response to that is that people keep asking over and over

[azure karma]

If they choose to give their time so I can save time, then thanks.

Then they can stop answering.

[vapid sparrow]

Real

It's shrimply not deep

[restive stag]

everything is as deep as you make it

[azure karma]

I've answered probably 6000004984u59 since I was born, dont see me whining

[vapid sparrow]

thus not deep

[restive stag]

actually very deep

[vapid sparrow]

i see

[restive stag]

wrong. inferno staff

[ripe obsidian]

For technical knowledge, sure. I ask questions of people more experienced than me after I have done research.

This was 2 sentences of plain speech on a link I had provided.

[vapid sparrow]

you're spending more time whining abt this than answering the question

[ripe obsidian]

But it's 2am and I'm apparently very grumpy

[vapid sparrow]

fair

[azure karma]

He already answered

[ripe obsidian]

So I am sorry for being a jerk and I am going to bed

[vapid sparrow]

nevermind hes right youre wrong

reason being that

corrections are for nerds thus youre nerd

[azure karma]

I didnt want to click the link and waste my time without my primary concern being addressed, which you did

So thanks

[restive stag]

its as shrimple as that

[vapid sparrow]

why do i never lose when playing late, but always lose when playing early

like this mission rn feels like sedition

[azure karma]

WS or EP typically for trauma?

[lethal lagoon]

WS

[split lance]

inv me and make it even easier

[lethal lagoon]

avg havoc gameplay

[nocturne dust]

bro I saw it phase through the doors to overhead us 😭

[lethal lagoon]

[twilit beacon]

Quell speed is the electro staff dump stat right? just got one with 60%

[lethal lagoon]

god no

warp res

[split lance]

guys im a real youtuber now, this was uploaded like 15min ago

[lethal lagoon]

OH EMPEROR no.

[vapid sparrow]

i just got off 😭

[split lance]

[lethal lagoon]

Good because while he does make it easier, he will also go down at least 4 times.

[twilit beacon]

okay the 2nd one for the day had 60% warp resist

[lethal lagoon]

[split lance]

im taking this as a compliment

nothing else

[lethal lagoon]

[nocturne dust]

Tren ruining our true survivor run 😭

[vapid sparrow]

when i play earlier i get wretched little goblins that dont know how to fathom the game when i play late it turns malice into sedition

[lethal lagoon]

We are true survivors, of tren.

[split lance]

we lost both rusn

do not pin that on me

i stg

[lethal lagoon]

You broke our moral

[split lance]

my moral is never broken

[lethal lagoon]

No we won the run where only you went down

Didn't we?

[split lance]

toughen up butter cup

[nocturne dust]

Look at the downs

[lethal lagoon]

[split lance]

oh fuck

oh yeah

i went down to some dumbass no noise pox burster

[lethal lagoon]

Fix your spidey sense

I fixed mine

[nocturne dust]

Danger Zone is also good

for silent poxbursters

and barrels too

[split lance]

i did but it kept making my game crash after 5 min

[nocturne dust]

That doesn't sound like you fixed it

[cyan portal]

those pesky silent barrels are the worst

[nocturne dust]

me watching the guy with a vraks dump into a barrel

[lethal lagoon]

It is a bug, each explosive barrel actually contains a quietly whsipering heretic.

[split lance]

lets take a look at harolds stats tho

[nocturne dust]

it's almost like two of us are running bubble just so you can run shriek

[split lance]

tbf i was going to run bubble and atlas suggested surge

[nocturne dust]

stole all my warpfire 😭

[split lance]

and then when i suggested swapping off, you said "dont fix it if it aint broke"

[nocturne dust]

true

I mean EK is definitely nice for the crusher stun

The only time I dodged a crusher today was when I dodged like a good 2 seconds early

😔

[split lance]

is time

[nocturne dust]

I dunno what is happening with that ping

[split lance]

fr, no reason i shoulda been at 400 lmao

[nocturne dust]

Just Darktide things 😭

[split lance]

yeah

was really really weird

im back to being harold

[restive stag]

i heart stealing warpfire

[nocturne dust]

https://tenor.com/view/hide-the-pain-harold-smile-pain-looking-gif-17739676

[split lance]

for real

[lethal lagoon]

You were always Harold

How much would it take to change your legal name to Harold?

[split lance]

well first there would be all the legal fees

alone thats a couple grand

[lethal lagoon]

Is it actually?

I thought you just filled out a form at the DMV or county.

[cosmic sigil]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-twerk-gif-25814656

[lethal lagoon]

@split lance Now neither of us can DM ever again

[split lance]

lamo

[lethal lagoon]

Unironically, I could see us falling out of touch by pure accident.

[split lance]

ill forever love you

having loved you was the best thing id ever done

[lethal lagoon]

Why does that feel like a goodbye

[fallen spindle]

You DARE to replace me with HIM?!

[lethal lagoon]

[fallen spindle]

I TOUGHT WE HAD SOMETHING SPECIAL, TREN!

[lethal lagoon]

https://tenor.com/view/who's-that-charlene-rustin-who's-that-person-who's-that-individual-gif-9631483081799261489

[fallen spindle]

How many of him are there.

[lethal lagoon]

[split lance]

u were just fun

[lethal lagoon]

[split lance]

He made me fee

feek

feel

[lethal lagoon]

No feek is correct, that's what I'm called, "The Feek"

Those are real proportions.

[hearty dagger]

What happening over here

[split lance]

dw tho

were still happening

[lethal lagoon]

[split lance]

join vc

lemme stream u the game

im genuinely loving it

holy shit

its overwatcch

but goood

[lethal lagoon]

Ask me in DMs

Well I mean I'll still say no

[mellow heath]

What are the odds of the disrupt destiny precision bonus stacks actually consistently being visible in a future update ever?

Cause it's really driving me crazy

[compact cargo]

[bold cape]

mfw i do better than the guy with ep smite (he doesnt know how to play the game)
relic blade my beloved

[plucky flax]

Zealot big sword in my psyker chat?

[bold cape]

hello atlas
ive finally redownloaded the game
and youve no idea how cathartic it is to instantly get blessings ive dumped millions into trying to get before

[lethal lagoon]

All builds belong to me

Havoc is a nice addition too

I'm still waiting for a tower defense/horde/wave mode

[tacit stump]

i rather would have something akin to chaos wastes a rouge like mode with paths

[bold cape]

havent got to havoc yet

[tacit stump]

weaves

[bold cape]

only friend who plays this game at auric lives in australia so
feels kinda bad lmao

[split lance]

wya

ill carry u through an auric rn

i mean

pls carry me in an auric

[lethal lagoon]

Only thing you can carry is a couch

[bold cape]

na

[split lance]

im flattered you think im that strong

[lethal lagoon]

A small couch though

One of those rich person fancy couchs that are shit to sit on

Because it's illegal to make good furniture deicisons past a certain networth

[lethal lagoon]

I'll @ you when I get a group togther for tommorow

[bold cape]

oh hell yeah

[lethal lagoon]

Bubble is actually good now

It hurts my feelings

[bold cape]

is relic sword good in havoc?

[lethal lagoon]

I mean if it's good in auric it's probably good in havoc

[bold cape]

heard book zealot is actually really good there

[lethal lagoon]

Yeah, book like shield psyker is making a comeback

1 shooter will unironically kill you if you get caught unware.

Like not even an elite

just 1 normal shooter

[bold cape]

just a random fuckass dude?

[lethal lagoon]

yes

Bubble or yellow toughness is a must if you want to finish a level in a reasonable time.

or at all

[bold cape]

jesus

[split lance]

me 2

[bold cape]

also i built and used the rashad for the first time ever and

https://tenor.com/view/always-sunny-frank-oh-my-god-i-get-it-gif-22328165

[lethal lagoon]

I've only been playing havoc, so I haven't bothered with the other 3 classes much.

[bold cape]

im not sure who ill play but prolly zealot

i tried the trauma staff and got my ass handed to me
like sure my dmg output was the highest but if my teammates werent supporting me i kinda got myself killed
a lot
i am not that guy

i died like 4 times then ashamedly made a zealot build and have only been using that lmao

should i build the flamer for havoc or smth? im assuming the bolter is a shit choice given the havoc ammo nerf

[lethal lagoon]

Bolter isn't bad for nuking bosses.

But yeah, the ammo is really scarce.

Just depends on your team really

One ammo crate = one full ammo bar

It's wild

Like all 4 charges = one full ammo bar

[wind spruce]

First havoc game ive played above 30

[bold cape]

ive heard mobility is kind of necessary but my relic + bolter doesnt really have that lol

[wind spruce]

so fucking snoozy with bubble trauma

[lethal lagoon]

I use rending with bubble trauma

(secretly cause I don't want to feed tren more warpfire, that theiving bitch)

@split lance

[split lance]

still got a mil dmg

[lethal lagoon]

I did too, that time.

[wind spruce]

was one of u purgatus?

[lethal lagoon]

No

[wind spruce]

good

[lethal lagoon]

1.4 mil, 1 mil in one game is wild though

Havoc is everything I've wanted

[wind spruce]

yeah its pretty sick

[lethal lagoon]

Just need a wave mode now

[wind spruce]

except the whole bubble thing

[lethal lagoon]

Yeah

[split lance]

900

[lethal lagoon]

Nah, "that time"

[wind spruce]

i just did my first 30+ and i couldnt hack doing another

[lethal lagoon]

This time we only got 900 and 1.1

[wind spruce]

(tonight)

it was so fucking boring just spamming bubble and trauma all game

[lethal lagoon]

I've become comfertable in my bubble and can never go back

[wind spruce]

thats my fear

[lethal lagoon]

Father I have sinned and I beg you to smite me down please.

[wind spruce]

i will do havoc 40 on gunker

if the emporer's life depends on it

[lethal lagoon]

Just keep EE up

[wind spruce]

YES

thats what i said the other day

[lethal lagoon]

Surely you'll have the ammo to do that

[wind spruce]

just keep it up, scrub

i have assail and melee too

ez clap

[lethal lagoon]

Surely you won't run out keeping up EE and your team won't make fun of you for having bad aim when in reality you are just trying to stay alive with EE and they just don't understand the challenges of a gunker

[wind spruce]

they just dont get it mang

its a tough life being a gunker

[lethal lagoon]

[wind spruce]

unfairly reviled

still expected to do the most damage

smh

[tacit stump]

?

feels squishy is fun though

biggest issue is for others likely that we use ammo aswell then

[sterile vale]

Not necessarily, higher rank havocs stack a lot of debuffs to your health and toughness, leading to some different build requirements. I'm seeing more people stacking stamina or other curio modifiers since extra health and toughness has a significantly smaller impact than in non-havoc.

[split lance]

wait

did u wanna do an auric

or no

ill run one rq rn

or im off to bed

[bold cape]

oh no sorry
im off to bed soon as well

[wind spruce]

Everyone deplores gunker

YOU KNOW IT

We have it tough

[compact cargo]

GUNKER?

KICKED

[tacit stump]

i wouldn't play it in havoc

else i love to play the gunker

FEAR THE FUTURE

[lethal lagoon]

I meant for a weapon.... specifically a melee one.

But go off queen

True and real.

Real and True.

[sterile vale]

Oh right, I should've scrolled up a little bit more

[lethal lagoon]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VdrEIGeDY2Q

Yeah, they upped the diff enough that CC and survivability actually matter now.

It's great(?)

[bold cape]

maybe ill just throw my current build into it and see what happens lmao

[sterile vale]

Though technically ☝️🤓 a melee weapon with more survivability than the relic sword (which has low mobility) might be preferable

[upper sun]

how do you actually say that in front of your phone without cringing?

[bold cape]

it’s in the name

[lethal lagoon]

Though technically you'll be running with a bubble pysker and stick with your team in havoc 35+, so higher mobility is less important

[lethal lagoon]

Nah he goes hard, and get's me ha-

Happy

[strong gulch]

@split lance @nocturne dust @lethal lagoon @fiery stratus How did the havoc runs go?

[lethal lagoon]

1 drop 2 wins

So technically 3 wins

[strong gulch]

https://tenor.com/view/spdr-spiderdao-gif-19257354

[lethal lagoon]

34-33-34-35

[strong gulch]

35 you say?

[bold cape]

so how does it work
am i joining one of you, and does helping one of you improve my own rank? no idea

[lethal lagoon]

Your rank improves, but your actual persona mission only changes once per week

[nocturne dust]

we almost got true survivor

but Tren ruined it

[lethal lagoon]

But then Tren went Tren Survivor

[strong gulch]

Noooooo

[lethal lagoon]

(TBF, the poxburster was 100% silent and I definitely didn't push it straight at him.)

[nocturne dust]

I mean he went down multiple times

[lethal lagoon]

True and real

[nocturne dust]

Also we all got overheaded by a crusher phasing through an elevator while it was still moving

Literally all 3 of us

[bold cape]

though i do feel rusty still and im not sure auric mael has prepared me at all for it

[summer prairie]

you could technically complete 40, then purposely press the demote button to look for a specific set of circumstances at a lower rank and still presumably get ranked back to 40 next week

[upper sun]

how the hell was this mission released

neither of the elevators work correctly

[nocturne dust]

lmao, it's the warp magic

[cyan portal]

did you end up doing those measurements deadvoid?

[bold cape]

i heard you can get team wiped in a cutscene

[nocturne dust]

I wish I was recording

[nocturne dust]

ah, no, I'm tired

I'ma do it tomorrow

[cyan portal]

fair fair

[upper sun]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1046914150363844779/1315781523852754974/Warhammer_40000_Darktide_2024.12.09_-_21.38.33.01-00.03.27.879-00.03.48.883.mp4?ex=675aa2c9&is=67595149&hm=c1a564c51cedf55c07e4e05e759eeaa1aa87847b54976cdedf0ae4ac792feb19&

[lethal lagoon]

To be clear, that's Tren's perspective

I was looking the right direction

It didn't matter.

[nocturne dust]

Yeh, me too

I saw the crusher phase through the door and was like

[strong gulch]

WTF

[summer prairie]

user error

[nocturne dust]

https://tenor.com/view/good-morning-wake-up-wakey-wakey-awaken-gif-26734899

[tacit stump]

the door requires the souls of unbelievers

[split lance]

No. Just once.

[nocturne dust]

It says 2 downs mfer

also the death was a 3rd time

[split lance]

Why did you ss the l.

Lb

[nocturne dust]

you got instantly whipped

[split lance]

[nocturne dust]

We won tho

[lethal lagoon]

[split lance]

But on the smelter mission only once

[cyan portal]

I've become curious about what damage per minute people are hitting. If anyone feels like looking through their scoreboard and dividing total dmg by mission time. Or to hear thoughts on why/if you think that isn't a good general metric?

[split lance]

I meant lb not L

[strong gulch]

Apparently you can die and get true survivor. Just don't get downed.

[split lance]

Wait. I did much less dmg on ur scoreboard. On mine I did a mil

[strong gulch]

Oh right, Void was there for that discussion.

[split lance]

I think

[lethal lagoon]

Are you sure you are looking at the right one?

[nocturne dust]

it's not a good metric because spawns are super variable even on the same mission and other players can interfere.

[nocturne dust]

Yeh, I mentioned it

Tren died first and we were like 'it might be okay'

and then he went down 😭

[lethal lagoon]

"Tren died first" is redundant.

Just say we played a mission

[split lance]

https://youtu.be/FWOnzuggV-c?si=WbOzqYA9AHtZsAH3

[lethal lagoon]

[split lance]

The death is at like

Uhhh

[bold cape]

ill die 4 times for every time tren does trust

[lethal lagoon]

That's probably the nicest thing anyone has ever said to Tren.

[cyan portal]

Sure but seeing and understanding the top dpms would still be interesting, especially if patterns emerge.

[nocturne dust]

Also on the final mission with the elevator phasing I got downed earlier because of my dog but everyone else did too apparently

[strong gulch]

Thanks for vid. I can't sleep anyways.

[split lance]

13min is the death

[lethal lagoon]

(no one pay attention to the times I go down or die, if you make fun of me I'll actually cry)

[split lance]

I uploaded both of todays runs

[nocturne dust]

I mean, it's not a terrible metric.

[split lance]

That’s were good

[nocturne dust]

It's just not the only thing that matters.

[lethal lagoon]

What is your play, full nerd games and then random vids of you breaking grip world records?

[summer prairie]

people can do half of your damage and still play better

[nocturne dust]

Also it's kinda broken on scoreboard iirc

[lethal lagoon]

[split lance]

Exactly

https://youtu.be/3ZDkpvpZOWA?si=Xgkzaxn7OywVOGZl

[bold cape]

bubble

[split lance]

This run I didn’t go down once

[nocturne dust]

ahem

[strong gulch]

On brand

[nocturne dust]

Mfer stole all my warpfire

[lethal lagoon]

[nocturne dust]

can't have crap on Atoma

[summer prairie]

EK and purg barely count as playing

[strong gulch]

Yes

[nocturne dust]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1046914150363844779/1313803542196391936/elmopsyker.gif

[summer prairie]

not taking damage is more relevant there

[lethal lagoon]

Nah, not having a dedicated DPS is super noticeable

[nocturne dust]

Gatekeeper

[lethal lagoon]

[cyan portal]

maybe teamwide dpm is the most interesting number

[summer prairie]

I play EK and purg all the time, but when you don't even have to aim

[lethal lagoon]

Tren sacrifices his body and his will to live for us.

[nocturne dust]

I was bubble purg

[lethal lagoon]

[summer prairie]

it's not very comparable

[nocturne dust]

Psyker is literally the class of not-aiming

I like it

Aiming is so stupid

[split lance]

I mean. Even if no one else was doing warpfire. I think I’d still get a mil

[nocturne dust]

And that's not a joke, I mean like

not aiming on Psyker actually feels different and cool

[split lance]

I try so hard to aim

If you watch my zealot runs. My knife throws are impeccable

[nocturne dust]

compared to every single shooter game where you shoot the weakspot with precision accuracy wow, much cool

[bold cape]

you will watch me whiff 4 knives in a row

[nocturne dust]

Knife has tons of aim assist

[lethal lagoon]

People with better aim will still do more DPS on surge and purg though

[split lance]

I was on marvel rivals. I’m cracked af

[split lance]

Trauma too. Maybe

[lethal lagoon]

Also anyone who says EK, opinion invalidated

[summer prairie]

better purg aiming is just swinging more wildly and timing your shriek better

if you have that

[lethal lagoon]

[split lance]

I shriek at 30%

[summer prairie]

sure but how many targets you hit still matters

[nocturne dust]

I can't hear you over all this EK coolness

[split lance]

I have 3 views before I posted the vids here. WHOS watching. I need to know

[lethal lagoon]

You might as well not hear anything, you are always muted.

[split lance]

He’s just mad I’m using it and he’s not

[nocturne dust]

Literally I got overheaded 4 times today, and every time the crusher was silent

well except once

Hearing is important.

[lethal lagoon]

Silent as the g in Lasagna.

[nocturne dust]

I need danger zone for crushers

[split lance]

Real g’s move in silence

[lethal lagoon]

No wonder you loud as fuck

[split lance]

Like the g in gabagool

[split lance]

That’s cuz I’m fat

It’s hard to breathe

[bold cape]

im almost tempted to pick up spidey sense solely for silent crushers

[nocturne dust]

@cyan portal also, while playing Inferno on Havoc I did mess with your spamming RMB style more and all I can say is it didn't feel any different The TTK felt worse, but that's just a feeling. Will definitely need to mess around more with numbers at some point.

[lethal lagoon]

silent bursters are still a thing too

[nocturne dust]

I have spidey sense 😭

Sometimes it just doesn't work

[lethal lagoon]

Don't forget to change all 3 colors of Trapper to something new or spidey sense bugs

[knotty locust]

possibly the most annoying shit in the game

[lethal lagoon]

The game mid-air spawns crushers where you aren't looking, and they can instant attack

[knotty locust]

up there with the ogryn vault bug

[lethal lagoon]

I've seen it in third person before

[nocturne dust]

Yeh

[bold cape]

yea most my deaths are my own shitty skill issue but when something doesn’t work as intended it’s slightly frustrating

[nocturne dust]

I need to also change the crusher color, it blends in

[azure karma]

What's the dump for dagger? Everything seems good

[knotty locust]

silent crushers are the only way they're ever remotely threatening enemies

it's so annoying

[lethal lagoon]

intelligence

[bold cape]

so true

[summer prairie]

single target testing it seemed a bit more optimal dps-wise to charge to 40% than either spamming or full charging

[lethal lagoon]

true and real

[quartz barn]

Its even better when enemies do have sound, but its coming from the wrong direction

[split lance]

Wrong. They phase through un-opened elevators

Mid swing

And ruin a true survivor run

[knotty locust]

absolute darktide classic

[nocturne dust]

I sooooooo wish I had a recording

[split lance]

[nocturne dust]

My POV was fantastic

[split lance]

[nocturne dust]

All you see is the crusher head pop in

and then bam

[split lance]

lol

[bold cape]

i also see it’s an instant death

[split lance]

I use shadow play now

[bold cape]

shadowplay goated

don’t need any external software

[summer prairie]

players also phase through some doors and hit through walls, not seeing a problem

[knotty locust]

crushers need to become real threats

[lethal lagoon]

average "EK" user take

[azure karma]

Dagger dump stat anyone?

[cyan portal]

does 5 stack blaze persist through 40% charge?

[lethal lagoon]

Get on pace with us based Surge users

[summer prairie]

persists up to 45% or something or 60% with flurry if you for some reason run that

[nocturne dust]

LMB spammer

[knotty locust]

either mobility or defense

[nocturne dust]

I dunno how to use shadowplay

[knotty locust]

whichever one it has

[nocturne dust]

it seems scary

[knotty locust]

i THINK it has mobility

[bold cape]

mobility, difference between 60 and 80 is so miniscule

[nocturne dust]

It has mobility, yeah

[azure karma]

I thought the main draw of the dagger was dodge distance and sprint speed tho

Oh ok

[nocturne dust]

and it is the dump

[knotty locust]

you don't lose a dodge at 60% mobility

[nocturne dust]

You only really lose sprint speed, and it's such a miniscule amount I literally don't notice it

[bold cape]

sprint speed of 80 vs 60 is +.9 and +.8 respectively iirc

[knotty locust]

plus it's the knife

you have the easiest move tech in the game

it's SO negligible

[summer prairie]

there are sprint speed breakpoints vs enemies but doesn't seem like anyone has bothered to look at them

[nocturne dust]

Speed unnecessary when you can murder them

[summer prairie]

like whether you can outspeed their attacks or movement, presumably the knife hits them easily though

[knotty locust]

we gotta bring more move tech to darktide

[nocturne dust]

I should honestly switch to knife or dueling sword on havoc

[knotty locust]

vt2 has so many

[nocturne dust]

for some reason I'm using the FGS, smh my head

[bold cape]

i dont want to drop my relic blade
you’d have to pry it from my cold dead hands (which probably won’t be very hard)

[knotty locust]

i havent used the relic blade at ALL

[summer prairie]

FGS has the same range_mod as ogryn pickaxe, I think they have the longest melee weapon reach in the game

[acoustic isle]

the thrust on relic is so goated man

i love it

[bold cape]

it’s so peak
my favorite weapon they’ve added

[knotty locust]

pickaxes <3

[bold cape]

mk2 has my favorite moveset in the game

reminds me of the bret ls in vt2

also that juicy uppercut is unbeatable

[strong gulch]

The reach is so long.

[summer prairie]

essentially all FGS attacks have 1.5 mod, relic blade only 1.2-1.4 depending on the attack

[lethal lagoon]

FGS has tons of phantom range

[knotty locust]

it feels like heresy that this makes me want to play the weapon less

[strong gulch]

It's messing up my sense of melee in general.

[knotty locust]

i hate the bretty

[lethal lagoon]

it reaches way father than you'd think

way father

[bold cape]

it’s my favorite ;w;

[knotty locust]

idk like

i think it has a cute novel gimmick

[strong gulch]

My new FGS build name.

[knotty locust]

but the fact its optimal combo is l1 bc spam makes me want to slam my head into my desk

[bold cape]

it feels like you’re using a sword with actual technique instead of swinging it like a madman

[lethal lagoon]

[summer prairie]

imagine if FGS could also attack while blocking, like the Bretonian

[near wyvern]

Use mk 6 then

[knotty locust]

i am talking about a weapon from an entirely different game

[nocturne dust]

I want a weapon with longer range

[bold cape]

i use l1 l2 bc cause it’s cooler and you don’t lose much dmg

[near wyvern]

Force bilhook when

[knotty locust]

i also genuinely couldn't be paid to use any krub weapon that isn't halberd

[nocturne dust]

Give me a halberd that can hit enemies from 10 feet away

[bold cape]

it has combos for every situation, trash, mixed, elite, single target
it’s also mega satisfying to hit the block on the charge

[knotty locust]

so there's that too

[nocturne dust]

[knotty locust]

if gk could use halberd im there every time

never playing another career

[radiant frigate]

but you would have to make them cold and dead first

[knotty locust]

it would be stupid damage and definitely not balanced

[bold cape]

warrior priest def my favorite career

[knotty locust]

wp WAS my favorite career

[near wyvern]

The drip screams Duelling Sword but MF woke up and choce violence

[knotty locust]

but they took him out back and shot him this patch

[strong gulch]

Yes

[bold cape]

but bret ls will never not be my favorite weapon so i love gk too

[radiant frigate]

my favorite career is uh uhhh

elf

[bold cape]

really? i havent played vt2 in a while

[knotty locust]

his fury mechanic doesnt work if youre not the host

[radiant frigate]

pretty cool that they made shade playable

[knotty locust]

like it genuinely doesnt function as intended

[bold cape]

???

that’s shitty

[knotty locust]

hes still a fun enjoyable career but it doesnt feel good that the source of majority of his damage AND utility

does not function

[bold cape]

im assuming this will happen several times tomorrow when i jump into havoc

[radiant frigate]

really now

i thought it was the opposite, where it works better when not host

[strong gulch]

Oh, I read "furry mechanic" and thought "That's a brave job."

I'd be upset if I got oil and grease in my fur.

[radiant frigate]

turns out it's actually just a normal person that fixes fursuits

[knotty locust]

saltzpyre's fursona, which is just saltzpyre but with hair

[strong gulch]

Honestly, that would make more sense. lmao

[bold cape]

literally

[knotty locust]

clients cannot activate their own fury and his healing by dealing damage in fury talent doesnt work if you're not the host

[bold cape]

that is awful

[knotty locust]

but hey bounty hunter is busted rn so at least we got that out of this patch

[bold cape]

real shit? reason to redownload the game right there

[knotty locust]

he has thp now

like really good thp generation

[bold cape]

holy

[knotty locust]

it was all that was necessary for making the class good

also steel crescendo works with crossbow now so you constantly have 15% higher attack speed and power

[radiant frigate]

how to fix bounty hunter?
cleave thp
class is good now

[azure karma]

Tfw you have over 500 hours in the game but you still don't have a +3 stam curio

[bold cape]

now that’s just
how?

[knotty locust]

please get a stamina curio

at least one

[blissful solar]

there should be a mod that can automatically go between all your characters, check melk and the armory, and buy all perfect curios

[radiant frigate]

spend all your melkbucks right this instant

[azure karma]

I have one

But it's +2

[knotty locust]

painful

[azure karma]

Aight hold up, I got 7k

Will post result soon

[knotty locust]

my vet has +3 stam and two +21% toughness curios

[radiant frigate]

that's good enough for uhh 28 rolls

[knotty locust]

i dont even fucking main the class

[radiant frigate]

holy shit the forbidden +21% toughness curio

[bold cape]

reminds me of the time i got every single tier of all revolver blessings except hand-cannon above tier 1
ahh, shit days

[knotty locust]

isnt it 21?

[radiant frigate]

health is

[blissful solar]

toughness is 17 health is 21

[radiant frigate]

toughness caps at 17

[knotty locust]

oh right

sorry

two 17% toughness curios

i USED to have two health ones and then learned health sucks

[bold cape]

2 toughness 1 stam has been equipped for ages

[knotty locust]

i tried one of all three

[azure karma]

Results are in

[knotty locust]

and health STILL did nothing

[bold cape]

i dont like health cause if your toughness breaks you’re a bit fucked either way
more toughness more survivability than more health

[blissful solar]

toughness being able to regenerate puts it in a higher dimension than health, it's just fundamentally superior

[azure karma]

My very last 250 melk dollars... I got that bitch, +3 stam lesgooo

[knotty locust]

especially on a class like vet

[bold cape]

also most dr talents are toughness only

[knotty locust]

where you have gold toughness 70% of the match

[cold trellis]

Yh health is more for if you wanna prep for specific breakpoints like poxburster or sniper dmg

[knotty locust]

i have so many melkbucks

[quartz barn]

I still need 2 21% hp curios

[knotty locust]

and nothing to spend them on

[tacit stump]

50k

[quartz barn]

Both are at 20%

[knotty locust]

i never use the melk shop

[blissful solar]

at level 30 +225 on my zealot i only just finally got my 3rd 17% toughness curio

[quartz barn]

Why can you even pull 290 curios

[bold cape]

those are very avoidable
and even when you do get hit for whatever reason, toughness will still save your ass a hell of a lot more than the odd one or two times you get hit by that

[quartz barn]

Nice elite store

[bold cape]

still find it funny the top rated zealot “meta” build on gameslantern has 3 hp curios
for ages now

[knotty locust]

LMAO

[tacit stump]

aged like milk

[knotty locust]

any zealot build is meta if it has duelist

[tacit stump]

when ds nerf?

[knotty locust]

hopefully soon

i don't know if you're joking or not

but i want ds4 taken out back and shot

[tacit stump]

i know it gonna happen one day

[bold cape]

surprised to see barely any duelling swords, when i heard they were adding it to vet/zealot i instantly knew it was gonna be far better than anything else and was afraid everyone was gonna run it

but im surprised to see like, 3 in the last 30 hours since coming back to the game

havoc is probably a different story

[knotty locust]

i think its for the same reason you dont really see a lot of shroudfield anymore

at least i dont

people realized its stupid broken and alters the balance of the game so much its just not fun

[tacit stump]

runs around with shroudfield and relic gs

[blissful solar]

the relic sword is way more fun

[knotty locust]

that too

ds4 has 0 execution barrier

it has literally no combos

[tacit stump]

light horde heavy elites

[blissful solar]

the fact the relic sword has a couple pretty strong stabs is really nice too

[bold cape]

in an ideal world the best weapons would be the most complex to use and the worst the simplest

[knotty locust]

it is both not fun mechanically and not fun because its absurdly broken

[bold cape]

but its the other way around lmao

[knotty locust]

gunker is almost the opposite where its also absurdly overpowered but at least its hard

[pallid stream]

I think inferno staff takes priority

[knotty locust]

and plasma gun

[bold cape]

i think sabres are really fucking cool
and i wanted to make a saltzpyre build when i first started out
i j wish they weren’t so busted

[pallid stream]

Alot more op than ds

[knotty locust]

purg staff plasgun and ds

i want all 3 of them executed

[bold cape]

i enjoy plasma because i can’t aim for shit

same with recon

[knotty locust]

i dont see nearly enough plasma gun hate

[bold cape]

it’s also one of my favorite 40k weapons next to the power sword and lightning claws
so naturally im biased

[blissful solar]

forget nerfing DS. add a power and force DS

[tacit stump]

slaps you with the flat side of the fgs

[bold cape]

…force swords too

hell just swords
swords are cool
if they light up they’re even cooler

[tacit stump]

uses a runic forceaxe found on the battlefield where space wolfs fought

[radiant frigate]

force bigsword!!

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[potent echo]

Darktide is real

[tacit stump]

what did they do to you

[bold cape]

also did i miss something? purg staff needs a nerf? i remember it being at the bottom of the staves

[knotty locust]

it is

possibly

the strongest weapon in the game

it is bad at literally nothing besides snipers

[tacit stump]

bombers say hello

[knotty locust]

the least threatening special ...

[tacit stump]

they use tactical formations by bombing

[knotty locust]

also it being bad against bombers and snipers is a non factor given you have 3 other teammates

[radiant frigate]

flamer also not so great vs flamer

[radiant frigate]

bold claim

[knotty locust]

not at all a bold claim

[tacit stump]

yeets assail shard unstead or use brainburst

[wind spruce]

You also have BB for snipers/bombers

[radiant frigate]

bold claim that you have 3 other teammates

[wind spruce]

And yes you should be running KR with purg

[radiant frigate]

KR or KF?

[knotty locust]

purg is super super busted

[wind spruce]

KR lol

Let's you actually do long range quicker than a snails pace

[radiant frigate]

for armor packs i imagine?

[tacit stump]

you get 2 ogryns with rumbler and twin stubber and a zealot with flamer