psyker-class

[nocturne dust]

I mean, wildfire isn't super fantastic of a node

[fiery stratus]

beer vomits be like

[nocturne dust]

It's no Psykinetic's

[half turtle]

i figure once i can consistently clear havocs without exploding ill get rid of it

but right now i always overload ~1 time per run still

[nocturne dust]

But it's still useful

[half turtle]

so crystalline will is probably worth something like 0.5 wins per win on average for me

[radiant frigate]

the vent reduction is much less felt with solidity

[modest patrol]

Had to prove to myself, unplanned, that I could be a greatsword melee psyker earlier when I had a bug that wouldn’t load my lasgun on my Scrier’s gaze build. Went surprisingly well

[half turtle]

is that quell reduction

er

quell speed increase

above warp charges

[radiant frigate]

Ye

[half turtle]

oh does it stack additively

[radiant frigate]

based

[radiant frigate]

i imagine so but idk

[icy wind]

yeah

[modest patrol]

I was pleasantly surprised

[muted grove]

whats better, meleeker or gunker?

[fiery stratus]

same build

[half turtle]

on blaze trauma i'm finding that i do way less soulblaze damage on shield than shout, but i guess that's to be expected

[muted grove]

ah ok

[half turtle]

maybe that's why i need wildfire

[fiery stratus]

gun/melee/assail are basically the same with a few nodes difference

[radiant frigate]

tbh with the dawn of force bigsword you can also run melee psyker with staffs

[nocturne dust]

gives ability cdr per elite/special killed up to 4, node below it makes stacks give damage, node below that on the right lets you get stacks from any kill at a 4% chance

[fiery stratus]

idk how with the lack of mobility

[modest patrol]

It’s easier to keep Scrier’s gaze up longer with force sword

[radiant frigate]

not saying that fgs doesn't also pair nicely with gun

and a lot of gun makes you go fast

[modest patrol]

When peril is starting to tick down, use that warp powered attack and slam it

[half turtle]

i like gun

[radiant frigate]

reconlas, the lighter autoguns, laspistol

(laspistol is the goat actually)

[half turtle]

does the laspistol shove actually work differently from the normal one

or is it just cosmetic

[radiant frigate]

on psyker? i imagine it does work differently

[half turtle]

i've never actually run laspistol on psyker

[lean mural]

pretty sure laspistol shove on psyker is still a force push

[radiant frigate]

since it looks to be a force push

[half turtle]

oh so it's the same push as on the force sword

[radiant frigate]

and it builds peril

[fiery stratus]

just seems very unwieldy with the fgs already bad mobility

[lean mural]

what about bolt pistol with fgs

it has impeccable flavor but doesn't seem to synergize all that well

[half turtle]

all my muscle memory on staves involves quickswapping to melee before i slide or sprint so if i tried staff with fgs i would die instantly

[plucky flax]

What it is ultra based

[half turtle]

bolt pistol feelsl ike one of the best weapons overall atm

[radiant frigate]

not true, fgs is still more mobile than stick

[lean mural]

i definitely run it anyway but idk if i'm getting the most out of it

[ripe obsidian]

What secondaries are y'all using with FGS?

[patent mango]

bistol gaming

[radiant frigate]

i have never really used bistol

[half turtle]

you underestimate how bad i am at adapting to small changes in my environment

[lean mural]

bistol is hyper flavorful

[radiant frigate]

just struck me as inefficient compared to recon/laspistol

[modest patrol]

If I need to be faster I’ll change to assail

[half turtle]

bolt pistol LOL

[lean mural]

per ammo used, maybe, idk, las weapons are chokkaz

[plucky flax]

Bistol. It can do work with dd
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1046914150363844779/1314867807430770748/image.png?ex=6756a712&is=67555592&hm=0a43a153a91e7015a9479c9421d6ae696e02a6880e4766af551916d1533eba7a&

[lean mural]

puncture+surgical takes care of more than enough bullshit tho

[half turtle]

i love bolt pistol

[ripe obsidian]

You? Using Bistol? I don't believe it.

[quartz barn]

hey agent can you do another bistol video to show the playstyle

[half turtle]

puncture lets you 1shs pretty much every human-sized special/elite on 5s

extremely good

feels amazing and chunky to shoot too

[plucky flax]

I will I am addicted. Its too cool

[modest patrol]

But I usually just keep my fgs and slide — all three of my curios have extra stamina and combat ability regen

[quartz barn]

i played with some psyker earlier that had your build but that guy was ass

[plucky flax]

[quartz barn]

need more yt guides obv

[lean mural]

so with bistol and fgs

smite, scriers, dd?

[plucky flax]

It was me on smurf

[plucky flax]

Assails

[half turtle]

were you playing on a steam deck

[quartz barn]

making me lose rank 29 access smh

got i back tho so im good

[lean mural]

that seems to overlap the niches of fgs and bistol tho

[ripe obsidian]

I'm trying out anticipation on FGS. I want to be dodgier.

[half turtle]

is assail any good in havocs

[quartz barn]

not really

[half turtle]

it seems like it would suck but i haven't tried it

[quartz barn]

doesnt kill that well

[plucky flax]

No you assails to horde clear and shooter clears. Big sword for horde clear and armoured guys as well as monsters. Bistol for specials and elite shooters

[half turtle]

i've basically only run trauma and purg

[plucky flax]

That scoreboard was mid 20s havoc with assails

[modest patrol]

I need to give bolt pistol a shot (no pun intended)

[quartz barn]

i just play surge smyker now

[ripe obsidian]

Dumping mobility or collateral?

[quartz barn]

dont really use surge that often so feels kinda off

[plucky flax]

I dump mobility but it wouldn't really matter.

[half turtle]

hmm would it stay viable up to 35+?

[plucky flax]

Yeah as long as you don't play pus skin

[lean mural]

as we're otherwise totally right side and not getting aura, that makes me think i want seer's presence

[plucky flax]

The ranged reduction is too much. But tbh high havoc infinite cleave staves are just a bit too op with the mass

[fiery stratus]

OK where the havoc gamers, ive been on 27 since like day 2

[plucky flax]

I use cdr aura for a bit more creeping flames

[lean mural]

creeping flames? thought this was scriers rather than shriek

[quartz barn]

he's cheating dw

runs bubble too

[plucky flax]

I find shriek better synergy with bistol

[quartz barn]

wait not cheating, just runs a lot of mods

[plucky flax]

Because its not rapid fire weapon to take advantage of the gazer

[lean mural]

's just that the only change you made to this was assail rather than smite

but that scans

[ripe obsidian]

I play SG FGS because it's funny

[plucky flax]

If I play gazer I prefer recon lasgun

Still assails tho

[lean mural]

still DD though? or also warp charges for shriek spam

[plucky flax]

Nah dd all the way with assails and big sword

[lean mural]

neat

i'mma try that next i think

it's taking me such a hot minute to land on a fgs build i really really vibe with

[modest patrol]

My SG build sounds just about the same as what you’re describing

[plucky flax]

Pro player

[modest patrol]

I certainly try but never considered myself such

[ripe obsidian]

This is my goofy FGS build

[lean mural]

so obvs with shriek i want quietude

the only things really giving me peril are assail and fgs special, so warp expenditure doesn't seem to fuck

[radiant ice]

Almost identical to mine

[plucky flax]

I only use mettle and soulstealer

To save points for others. Assails generate toughness really well with soulstealers.

[lean mural]

PC as well? i kind of want the point for faster shard recharge

[plucky flax]

Pc yeah

[ripe obsidian]

I guess you would put the quietude point in faster assail regen?

[lean mural]

innerestin' build

[radiant ice]

Yeah drop Quietude if you have to there

Just don’t get Etheral Shards

[modest patrol]

I go for Warp Speed too

[plucky flax]

Yeah for more assails spam indeed. It's the main damage of the build tbh

[radiant ice]

Become enlightened to how bad it is, as it’s equal to Warp Splitting at 10% peril

[modest patrol]

Zoomies, especially on melee

[ripe obsidian]

Fuck it, I'll try it

[radiant ice]

It’s funny I’ve never really liked assail

Even during its launch time when you could throw five and win the match

[ripe obsidian]

I started using Assail with Voidstrike and my eyes were opened.

[lean mural]

wait if we're getting faster shards where's the point coming from

[radiant ice]

But it’s undoubtedly effective during Warp Unbound if you have Warp Splitting

[plucky flax]

I feel like you won't need quietude. It's good for staves when you quell constantly. But assails it's more like dump them out then go to melee

[radiant ice]

Quietude

Quietude has two use cases really

[lean mural]

am i not using the middle nodes of DD?

[radiant ice]

Shriek, inferno staff with battle meditation

[radiant ice]

No it’s awful

[lean mural]

also the lower one? that seems not bad

[radiant ice]

The 2 stacks for weak spot is… okie

But you shouldn’t have any trouble building and keeping stacks anyway

[lean mural]

because this is with shriek so quietude has a use

[ripe obsidian]

That is fair. I use Quietude with shriek builds and stave builds, since you get toughness when not killing things as well as when killing things

[radiant ice]

I only run it for SG builds using precision range weapons tbh

[lean mural]

[radiant ice]

Otherwise take the point and put it somewhere more effective

It’s still good, don’t get me wrong, just better used elsewhere typically

[lean mural]

i'm not risking my precious 1/5 auric maels on this so i'm just gonna try qp auric damn

[radiant ice]

I kinda put it in the same place as Wildfire

Really good on the right build, wouldn’t fault anyone for not taking it

[plucky flax]

My tree for reference. Adjust as you need.

[radiant ice]

I love this attitude!

I always try say some variant of it xD

[lean mural]

almost exactly what i ended up with, except i took by crack of bone for some reason, which thinking about it is probs because this used to be a scrier's build

[radiant ice]

There will always be “meta” nodes, but there are many good nodes that may fit your specific personal playstyle more

[half turtle]

hm does tox gas damage deal corruption damage on the tick that breaks shield

or does it only deal corruption on ticks when you have 0 shield

[plucky flax]

Yeah same as big sword variant preference.

[radiant ice]

Fun fact, Crack does affect the staff bonk

[half turtle]

i.e. can i tank a tox bomb forever by just standing in a bubble with sanctuary

[radiant ice]

And it can save you from suicide explosion on Inferno specifically

[nocturne dust]

Kind of

[plucky flax]

Too many people are like 'mk8 better' I'm like nah if I play mk8 I die so mk6 is better for me

[nocturne dust]

Bubble will let you stand in tox gas without Empyric Resolve

but if you have Empyric Resolve, you don't regen enough to resist corruption damage from tox gas

[half turtle]

is that the reduce peril+reduce toughness talent

[nocturne dust]

yeh

[half turtle]

huh, that's a weird interaction

[radiant ice]

If you fire the Inferno staff at 100%, you know you will explode when the charge you built empties. However if you cancel the charge with a special attack, you get 1 bonk with your staff. Through this Crack of Bone can knock you down into save peril

0 shriek save from pop

[half turtle]

since i'm pretty sure that tox gas outdamages the regen on bubble regardless

[lean mural]

mlg psyker shit

[nocturne dust]

I think tox gas might have a 'min toughness to corrupt' thing or something

where if you're above X toughness, you're fine

[radiant ice]

It’s absolute batshittery and not recommended

[half turtle]

oh interesting

[nocturne dust]

but that's just a guess

[half turtle]

that makes sense i suppose

[radiant ice]

But you can save yourself

[nocturne dust]

I'm not a dataminer

[radiant ice]

I feel the same

[half turtle]

i guess i can get rid of my bomber resist when i take bubble then

[lean mural]

i absolutely wouldn't count on that lmao

[radiant ice]

Seems to work its way through ~20% toughness first

[nocturne dust]

but ER

[half turtle]

hmm i've only really used it on voidstrike and surge, i always kinda felt like it didn't matter on trauma because i could just vent 1 tick and then overcap peril on every cast but i guess that's actually not as true on havoc

[radiant ice]

There is a few fun interactions you can do to save yourself from a pop, none useful xD

[nocturne dust]

ER is good on every staff in Havoc

no shriek 😭

[celest valve]

when you're briefly for half a second in the overcast state but you're fine because of a random peril reduction from... something, probably battle meditation

[half turtle]

yeah that's probably true

i was omstly just running my normal auric builds and tweaking them as i went

[radiant ice]

I mean Warp Siphon is good, toughness doesn’t matter, Rending node doesn’t work

[half turtle]

i should definitely try it

[dull gyro]

it doesnt?

[radiant ice]

Many Havoc psyker run ER from default cause of that

[half turtle]

rending node doesn't work??????

[radiant ice]

Nope

[dull gyro]

💀

[restive stag]

i mean yeah would be pretty silly game design if the massive aoe also instantly started to chip at your hp

[radiant ice]

Penetration of Soul is straight bjorked

[nocturne dust]

PotS has never worked

[half turtle]

wow i guess i've just been playing havocs with 2 dead talents

maybe i am the goat

[ripe obsidian]

I would use Shriek if I were on higher difficulties.

[half turtle]

thanks fatshark

[radiant ice]

Penetration of the Soul funny enough still has a use

[nocturne dust]

I can't hear you over all these fire barrels I'm exploding

[clear heath]

You thought this game's talents worked? damn that's wild

[plucky flax]

What difficulty do you play at?

[restive stag]

okay but thats based

[radiant ice]

Some builds want Warp Siphon but would actively be harmed by ER, either by having too low Peril Gen or struggling for Toughness Regen

So Pots is a sacrifice

[lean mural]

actually. considering this isn't a scrier's build and it takes KD

i'm thinking deflector/shred on the bigsword? it has warp splitting so it doesn't desperately need cleave, but it also has mettle so it wants crits

[ripe obsidian]

With FGS? teens-20s Havoc.

With more serious builds? I've been doing Havoc 35-40

[celest valve]

Penetration of the Soul has like all of the code needed for it to work... except no one remembered to add the warp rending value to the sum of total rending amount you might have.

[half turtle]

yeah that's originally why i wasn't running ER on my trauma builds in auric

[restive stag]

what setu

p is this for

[half turtle]

becuase i wanted to hit 83% peril asap

[restive stag]

if you run it with anything in specific

[shut gulch]

I wanna hear ppl opinion on which keystone go great with assail. I use shield and recon rlas

[ripe obsidian]

I do book Zealot and bubble Psyker in high Havoc, though

[celest valve]

So all that code just gets tossed away in the damage calculation and isn't actually added to the total rending value. oops

[plucky flax]

For non havoc I use shred riposte. For havoc I use deflector shred

[stable halo]

Assail and DD are like bread and butter

[modest patrol]

Things like this are why I use the Enhanced Descriptions mod

[radiant ice]

Exactly, that’s the kind of case where you take PotS. It still awful but doing nothing is better than actively harming your build

[half turtle]

i've bene having a ton of fun running +unyielding +maniac relentless/shred on ds4 in havocs

and just stabbing bosses to death under shield in like 15-20 seconds

[shut gulch]

Ty

[radiant ice]

I can’t take DS4, feels too boring

Gimme the greatsword

[restive stag]

real and true i wish deimos was ds4 but psyker

[celest valve]

i think it's like... a single line of code to make penetration of the soul work again

[radiant ice]

Not even that, it’s just named wrong in the code

Literally one variable name on one line

[celest valve]

(not even a line, just adding + WarpRending or something to the end)

[restive stag]

probably

[lean mural]

that's peak fatshark lmao

[radiant ice]

They did it again with Havoc release

[errant pawn]

So which build won?

[radiant ice]

By changing Warp Charges ID from “overcharge” to “warp_charge”, for some reason. Resulted in all those broken mods

[modest patrol]

My reminder that the wall-shield isn’t working right 😭

[celest valve]

oh yeah also notable is that Disrupt Destiny has a hidden effect. The movement speed boost you get for 2.5 seconds after killing a target also makes you count as dodging against ranged attacks.

[errant pawn]

I KNEW IT

[lean mural]

honestly i got too tilted with auric mael shitters to make good use of either. but yours had a slight advantage because "temu zealot" was great damage but dogshit survivability

[radiant ice]

And renaming a few variables is how I got my fixes for NumericUI and Peril Gauge to work

I also stuck a pull request up on GitHub for Hub Hotkeys cause my version has Havoc

But the dev hasn’t looked at it yet

But all that mess is Fatshark renaming a variable, but not the one that would fix PotS

😐

[celest valve]

the variables are somewhat confusing and I also recall warp_charge or similar refers to... the amount of peril you have.

[radiant ice]

Not anymore!

[celest valve]

so don't confused warp charges with warp charge

[radiant ice]

It’s now actual warp charges

Warp charges were overcharge

But that’s a holdover before we had those

And Overcharge referred to Agony

Cause Agony could Overcharge

[celest valve]

i miss the funny variable names things were called that were still easy to remember like ninja_fencer and bfg

[radiant ice]

What did Agony stacks do? Nobody ever found out

Something like rending and warp charge stacks in one

But FatShark dropped the whole thing cause they couldn’t figure out what it was either

[celest valve]

oh yeah also finding out that the cycle talent that gives warp damage when killing with non-warp and visa versa

also on the non-warp damage increasing one had a random -4% warp damage as well

...that it turns out is nonfunctional because talents can pick and choose what stat buffs they get from these buffs. Apparently.

and just ignores the negative warp damage portion

[radiant ice]

Yeah all those bugs were Agony getting removed to introduce Warp Charges and Warp Rending as separate things

But then they simply reused Variable names without removing all mentions of it first

[celest valve]

also there's some funny misspelled variable names in the code sometimes but that is normal

if something is misspelled, this is frequently going to be the case... forever

[nocturne dust]

Bruh

[zinc phoenix]

Compiler will usually catch variable misspelling if it matters

[nocturne dust]

it takes like a few minutes at most in the largest codebases to just replace all instances of a mispell

Normally takes like 20 seconds 💀

[zinc phoenix]

Meh find and replace is risky in code

[celest valve]

anyway more fun facts did you know that technically the force greatsword doesn't have a wield time

as it can instantly be chained into an attack

[nocturne dust]

A normal find and replace, yes

[zinc phoenix]

Intellij has pretty good refactor stuff for field/var renames but it can be wacky

[nocturne dust]

Lots of IDEs have good refactoring find and replacers

[celest valve]

did you also know more or less everything in the game can instantly be swapped to other weapons and/or blitz abilities, such as assail :3

[zinc phoenix]

And across an X millions LOC project it gets nasty

[celest valve]

tbh i am pondering making a simple macro to just swap to assail, yeet exactly one knife, and swap back. cause that's a lot less repetitive to press that every so often than to press like three different keys spread across a keyboard AND mouse

[nocturne dust]

I would absolutely be the programmer unable to let go of the mispellings and spend months refactoring code manually if I had to

https://tenor.com/view/minor-grammar-mistake-gif-14067319222784828533

[zinc phoenix]

In fairness in modern projects we prevent misspelling with incredibly anal linters

But games programming is a little different from business software and what you can do with those massive codebases is also different

[primal plume]

Is this good with inferno?

[nocturne dust]

yeh

[lean mural]

holy fuck

i legitimately cannot play psyker anymore without a squad

[nocturne dust]

bubbled

[lean mural]

i hate bubble when i'm trying to play meleeker (which also means i am not doing havoc because lmao)

yeah i am taking no damage

because i'm not doing shit everything dies before it gets to the fucking special snowflake safehouse

and yeah meleeker or playing support in havoc is all that interests me rn i've done so much fucking caster psyker gaming

[radiant ice]

Debatably mandatory

Every crit tick making you immune to ranged for 1s is beyond insanity

[nocturne dust]

nah, not at all mandatory

it's nice but easily replaced

[radiant ice]

I would disagree with the word “easily”

But I did specify “debatably” so fair

[nocturne dust]

just slide

[radiant ice]

Just don’t get shot 5head

Also I found my new favourite mod https://www.nexusmods.com/warhammer40kdarktide/mods/453

Not uninstalling it anymore, just making it readable xD

[nocturne dust]

but... stats

😔

[radiant ice]

I was actually tempted to make my own scoreboard mod altogether, or at least a visual overhaul for Scoreboard

Cause my fucked eyes really struggles to read the default one

[nocturne dust]

that'd be neat, visuals are kinda crap

PowerDI is somehow worse

[radiant ice]

I haven't looked at that yet, but seen it mentioned

Not really a scoreboard person, but I miss VT2's

It was kinda cool to get a quick compare without a spreadsheet

[lean mural]

is that some kind of play on PowerBI because it's a mod that runs analytics on your fukkin heretic left clicking stats

because that seems like

a lot of autism

[radiant ice]

Oh for fuck sake

[nocturne dust]

wat

[radiant ice]

How did I miss that when I my company is a Microsoft partner

And I routinely support PowerBI

That's like, my real job

[lean mural]

familiarity breeds contempt

[nocturne dust]

I dunno what a PowerBI is

[lean mural]

capitalism-brain software

[radiant ice]

Microsoft stats to fire your employees with

Monitor your profits and business!

And your employees efficiency, purely for their own improvement and benefit of course

[lean mural]

of course

[nocturne dust]

ah, so standard capitalism

[lean mural]

like i said :v

[radiant ice]

That's basically my irl

I am the bad person that encourages companies to adopt these methods

As I'm a business consultant XD

[nocturne dust]

ew

[acoustic isle]

i just source bags and mailers for sales reps to offer potential customers

[nocturne dust]

Nurgle gonna get you extra chaos spawns just for that

[acoustic isle]

but i am no stranger to Power BI. It's where all my performance metrics are

[radiant ice]

It's one of a few things I push

Other stuff includes work automation to save costs!

i.e fire your peeps and get an AI to do it

I'm dead inside

[acoustic isle]

nothing is more cursed for me than coming across a poly bag and nearly being able to guess the specs based off sight

[nocturne dust]

I support firing CEOs and replacing them with AI

[radiant ice]

Same

Defend, Deny, Depose

[modest patrol]

Alright, acquiring a bolt pistol. 🫡

[nocturne dust]

I hear it as Deny, Defend, Depose

[nocturne dust]

better be 3d printed

[radiant ice]

I did a 40+ person meeting today that I had to host

And talk through all the benefits of stomping the working class for profit

[modest patrol]

I reclaimed sufficient?

[radiant ice]

After seeing the inside of that for a few years, I can't help but want a green hooded jacket

(Actually setting up to quit early 2025 cause it's killing my soul)

[zinc phoenix]

In fairness if your job is so simple and dumb a chatbot can do it there’s probably more useful things you could be doing

[radiant ice]

I used to work in manual labour!

But where I live, that's a fucking brutal days work

[plucky flax]

Talking too scary

[zinc phoenix]

I did some contracting as a youth, taught me the importance of studying hard so I didn’t have to do anymore gd contracting 😂

[nocturne dust]

yes but tell me one job a chatbot can do that isn't support/phone bot

[zinc phoenix]

That’s kinda my point

[modest patrol]

ugh I was laid off from a 'great' contracting job with 1 day's notice back in June... it's taken me until this week to finally get an interview request (at least 150 jobs applied for in that time frame)

[nocturne dust]

40+ reject mission when?

[radiant ice]

Only if it's irl and I can send them all into the Ebola cave

"Nurgle's in there guys, go for it"

[nocturne dust]

https://tenor.com/view/bh187-braveheart-charge-attack-gif-19285817

[modest patrol]

that sounds more pleasant than some of the meetings I used to sit through ngl

[radiant ice]

Try 2.5 hours of explaining the legality of ATS/CRM systems in the EU when handling what are meant to be legal documents that can't be stored on a server outside the candidates home country

And just 40 dickheads with too much money staring at you unflinching like

😐

[acoustic isle]

nah see not anything i'll agree to be paid to do.

I happily sit at home working remote filling out spreadsheets and bugging vendors to find out if they can quote specs

[modest patrol]

I am so sorry

I've done DEI training as part of my job for a while now. I get either blank faces or arguments.

[radiant ice]

Anyway, I think I wanna make a Scoreboard for Darktide that truly emulates this

Cause I miss it

[hazy moss]

siblings when i tell u this was a long mission

[radiant ice]

Good lord

[hazy moss]

i survived 😎

[modest patrol]

I think I've found a fine specimen

[fallen spindle]

Oh my skibidi lords

What mission was that?

[hazy moss]

it was a havoc 30

[ripe obsidian]

Would you say havoc 25 is about par with Auric Maelstrom?

[nocturne dust]

Eh. It's easier with the right setup, harder without. 🤷‍♂️

[fiery stratus]

enemy density isnt there

just tried 39 with randoms and surprise surprise the host and I were the only ones who could carry their own weight

[nocturne dust]

yeah but I think once enemy density is Auric-level Havoc is harder than Auric mael

[plucky flax]

Same I guess. Shooters more dangerous but less specials

[fiery stratus]

well, im getting pretty tired of trying to get decent randoms so ima bouta pull a thanos and do it myself

[modest patrol]

The heartrate sound effect I'm hearing on some matches - do y'all know if that is a psyker specific thing or if everyone gets it? (wondering if it's tied to peril)

[vapid sparrow]

yes

high peril make noise

[modest patrol]

I know the whoosh sound but this is a heartbeat that is persistent throughout some missions, going faster or slower

[fallen yacht]

Did anyone have issues with getting havoc rewards? I got mine but my account hasnt updated. I still only have like 1k platsteel

[unkempt patio]

do I want the mk6 or mk8 greatsword

[fallen yacht]

nvm steam wanted to update everything we good

[radiant ice]

I’d say that bracket is definitely the closest, but a tad easier

[vapid sparrow]

odd

i am familiar with a heart noise when peril is high but not a persisting one

[nocturne dust]

6

[radiant ice]

8

[nocturne dust]

Anyone who says 8 is a heretic and should be eliminated

[vapid sparrow]

8 is my preferred one

[nocturne dust]

Smh my head, 2 psykers that don't know how to melee

[unkempt patio]

6 seems better for elites, 8 would be a horde clear option

[radiant ice]

It’s honestly build dependent for me, memes aside

[nocturne dust]

Both handle hordes very well

[modest patrol]

Yeah, that's what's throwing me

[nocturne dust]

8 is just simpler against hordes becaause of perfectly horizontal attacks

[radiant ice]

6 is better in builds with a more CC focus, like Inferno. 8 is better in a single target focused build like rmb Electrosraff

[vapid sparrow]

Voidstrike makes a lot of throbbing noises, if that helps

though only when charging it

[radiant ice]

Cause it can then fill the gap in your build

(In my terrible opinion)

[unkempt patio]

well 6 it is then, Im putting carapace/unyielding on there with my smite (pro gamer) build 😉

[nocturne dust]

Protip: the ranged slice staggers at any charge and 6 gets a devastating heavy poke immediately after the slice

[radiant ice]

Can you record it? Is it the noise when you inject yourself with a stim? May be bugged to always on

[radiant ice]

Yup, 6 is better for you

[vapid sparrow]

protip: cool people use 8

[radiant ice]

But really both are amazing, just try both and see what you like

[nocturne dust]

Protip: cooler people use 6

[unkempt patio]

I'd imagine it just depends what you're using it for

[modest patrol]

I will next time it pops up, good thinking

[fringe garden]

They both are good against everything, really

[radiant ice]

Protip: Even cooler people dual wield them, one in each hand

[fringe garden]

Just a moveset preference

[nocturne dust]

Not really, they're enough of an all-rounder that either can work in any case

but 6 really does have actually mechanical advantages

over 8

[radiant ice]

8 has ease of use on its side

Which at the end of the day will always appeal to more people

[nocturne dust]

like the heavy poke after warp slice and the fact the poke is incredibly easily to spam in a devasting h-spam combo when fighting

[fringe garden]

I mean, mash heavy or mash light for either single target or horde clear. Very very straightforward

[vapid sparrow]

if you're using melee as your main focus go 6 if you're using ranged as your main focus go 8

[radiant ice]

See I disagree and flip this

[vapid sparrow]

why

[nocturne dust]

I take only 6

[radiant ice]

Mk8 in my pure melee builds and Mk6 as my Crusher popper when I get rushed on my staff builds

Cause Mk6 is just better at dealing with sudden penetration from behind

[nocturne dust]

https://tenor.com/view/hmm-suspect-gif-22611582

phrasing

[strong gulch]

https://tenor.com/view/archer-you-what-huh-gif-19676334

[radiant ice]

I’m saving myself for Khorne, can’t have Nurgle’s taint upon me then

[potent echo]

So much psyker on psyker hate

[unkempt patio]

ha I laughed

[radiant ice]

Honestly my favourite is Tzeentch

[nocturne dust]

"You Psykers sure are a contentious people."

[radiant ice]

But he’d hit the angry wookie cause he finds it funny

[nocturne dust]

https://youtu.be/LWkSB-D-hYo

[radiant ice]

Damn I get double whacked by a meme

Being a Scottish Psyker

It’s true though, on both accounts, we’re assholes

[strong gulch]

You get your comeuppance when voice activated things.

[ripe obsidian]

So 25-30 range? Or just 25 +/- 5?

[radiant ice]

25-30 I think is a bracket right?

[ripe obsidian]

Aye

[nocturne dust]

25-29 iirc

[radiant ice]

Yeah that one

[nocturne dust]

30 gets Emperor's Light 2

[radiant ice]

Oh yeah def 25-29 then

[nocturne dust]

Electric Boogaloo

[lean mural]

cannae be racist to a lift

[radiant ice]

That clip has haunted me for years

I got a break until I got a Google Home

[lean mural]

FREEDOM

[patent mango]

mk6 is more fun to use

[radiant ice]

Then the jokes returned with Siri, Alexa, Hey Google

None of it works of course

Even if my Siri has an Irish accent she still is fucking useless at listening

[nocturne dust]

I really like the irish/scottish accents tho They're fun.

It's why my zealot is... Fanatic I think it's called?

[radiant ice]

Hey bb, wanna meet in the Brass Citadel?

[hazy moss]

mk6 is the pick

[strong gulch]

11

[lean mural]

what part of america's that then? dublin?

[radiant ice]

Dublin is basically America

[lean mural]

lmaooooo

i have no dog in that race whatsoever but those feel like fightin' words

[nocturne dust]

[lethal lagoon]

Why are you racing dogs?

[radiant ice]

What are the paddy’s gonna do? Starve themselves at us again?

[nocturne dust]

I've never been to Dublin but I've been to America. So you're wrong.

[lethal lagoon]

You could put all of ireland in the U.S, and no one would notice

[modest patrol]

I'm convinced the Fanatic fancies the lady Savant

[lethal lagoon]

[radiant ice]

I mean have you heard her accent?

[nocturne dust]

I don't ship any of the personalities

[lean mural]

i want this gif but with a violin

[lethal lagoon]

[nocturne dust]

I think they're too busy trying to not die on suicide missions 💀

[radiant ice]

My Psyker is Loner cause those laughs and screams

[nocturne dust]

https://tenor.com/view/sad-upset-violin-sponge-bob-mr-crab-gif-3530280

[lethal lagoon]

[patent mango]

seer probably eats moss

[radiant ice]

But both the Savants certainly have an… interesting accent

[nocturne dust]

but Seer has the best laugh

presses F
cue 10 seconds of laughter

[radiant ice]

Nah screaming Slavic lady always wins

[nocturne dust]

"Yes, Beloved, they have no idea what they're talking about."

[radiant ice]

I find Seer very much a “one joke” type personality

I don’t think I’ve heard them say a single original line since playtest

[nocturne dust]

I mean there's a couple jokes other than just Beloved

[radiant ice]

Got bored of them real fast before the game even launched xD

[nocturne dust]

like when Seer goes "oh, X is gone" and just shrugs

[radiant ice]

I’ll give you that one

[nocturne dust]

Zealot? Gone. Ogryn? Gone.

Vet? Gone.

[radiant ice]

And the sarcastic “Ohhh noooo”

[shut swallow]

So I'm running smite/bubble/blaze force sword (1hander)

Any suggestions for staves? Right now I'm thinking voidstrike, an electric and inferno stave seem reduntant with smite for crowd control, but I may be misunderstanding its utility.

[nocturne dust]

Psyker? Seer.

[radiant ice]

What mode/difficulty?

[shut swallow]

Up to Havoc 25, hopefully some casual damnation

[nocturne dust]

You're just not Beloved-pilled enough 😔

[radiant ice]

Cause I use smite/bubble/electrosstaff in high Havoc. Cause Electrostaff is high single target

[lone ravine]

man i wish i liked any of the psyker voices

[nocturne dust]

I recommend Trauma or Inferno as you get higher in Havoc.

but combining it with smite is weird

[radiant ice]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9daef482-8855-431e-83dd-bea9510bb772/support-lightning-havoc-35-40

That’s my Havoc lightning support build

[modest patrol]

Less so that I’m shipping them, more what seems evident from the bonding conversations.

[nocturne dust]

😔

[nocturne dust]

I never get those because auric doesn't let me

[radiant ice]

Psyker voices are all pretty great imo

[nocturne dust]

😭

[lone ravine]

savant just doesnt sound good to constantly be playing as, loner is just a bitch to ogryns and therefore i dont like it, and seer is just kinda eh

[modest patrol]

I’ve only done Auric Heresy thus far and I’ve gotten some

[radiant ice]

The best one is male/fem Loner together when they see the squirrel

Only ever had it once

But it was just the two of them screaming “WHERES THE SQUIRREL” for 5 minutes

[modest patrol]

Male Loner isn’t mean to the Ogryns!

[nocturne dust]

[shut swallow]

I will be sad to let go of deflector, is the blessing actually shit when you go up in difficulty or does it manage to keep up

[nocturne dust]

Drop mettle

[modest patrol]

At least not in specific, he’s kind of a sarcastic asshole to everyone

[nocturne dust]

Grab KD for emergencies

[radiant ice]

Read below!

You can take KD, it’s amazing

I just personally am not a fan

[lone ravine]

everyone includes ogryns

[radiant ice]

Heresy I know

Oh wait I forgot to add that line

I did on the fire build

[radiant ice]

Basically what Dead said here if you want KD ^

[modest patrol]

I’ve never caught any lines of him being particularly nasty to them though (my main is a male loner)

[radiant ice]

Savant Psyker is so nice

But def drank the Impy kool aid

Even the Fanatic looks at them sometimes like “You okie there bud?”

[modest patrol]

Ooooh yes. Loves that stuff

[lone ravine]

savant doesnt have cool voicelines imo

[radiant ice]

But both those accents

[modest patrol]

Idk, “excessive force authorised” is pretty great

[lone ravine]

the accents also put me off alot

[radiant ice]

I just wish they gave it a little more in the shouting/laughing department for high peril

[modest patrol]

Not something I’d want to hear if I were on the receiving end

[radiant ice]

Tf?

[lone ravine]

i jsut dont like the sound of the accents

[modest patrol]

I’d be running if I were a chaos worshipper

[radiant ice]

Other than Hadron, that some of the best accents in the games imo

Oh and KX now

[modest patrol]

All of the voice acting is stellar frankly

[dull gyro]

why 3x health curio? and corrupt resistance?

just get a zealot?

[radiant ice]

Read below

[nocturne dust]

Havoc makes toughness painful 😔

[radiant ice]

Cause Toughness is useless on Havoc

3 Toughness curios = 20 Toughness

[dull gyro]

below where

[lone ravine]

at least gold toughness is flat bonus anywhere

[radiant ice]

The description for the build

[nocturne dust]

Tbf, health also gets reduced a ton

but we don't have gold health

😭

[radiant ice]

Wait

[dull gyro]

nothing about it there?

[lone ravine]

gold health so we can finally stop getting flamed to death

[radiant ice]

Where tf is the curio description… I think I forgot to save the additions to the lightning build

Gawd damn it

[nocturne dust]

rip

[dull gyro]

💀

[radiant ice]

Hold on, I mention it on my fire build

[lean mural]

this strikes me as a reason to take toughness curios tbh

you get toughness back so much easier than health

[radiant ice]

Long story short

[nocturne dust]

You do get gold toughness tho

[radiant ice]

20 Toughness vs nearly 200 health

[unkempt patio]

20 of a renewable stat

[radiant ice]

Corruption Resist cause tox bombers, pox gas, goo and every enemy doing corruption damage above 35

[nocturne dust]

and gold toughness is always flat addition no matter what

[radiant ice]

Exactly, you get toughness from gold

[lone ravine]

also health will allow you to take more corruption dmg without actually going down a wound,

[radiant ice]

Not from Curio

[nocturne dust]

of a renewable stat that gets eaten by literally anything

40 just means coherency regen will take longer to fix it

[lone ravine]

i love breathing and suddenly i have no toughness anymore

[dull gyro]

oh they all deal corruption dmg at 35+?

[unkempt patio]

I personally grab 1 health, 1 toughness, and 1 stamina curio

[radiant ice]

Every enemy, yes

Corruption resist is meme tier bad in Standard or Auric

[lone ravine]

this means that overheads will instantly kill you

[radiant ice]

Extremely valuable in Havoc

[lone ravine]

no downs

nada

straight paste on the floor

[potent echo]

It happened to me on havoc 30

[lean mural]

isn't coherency regen kind of trash anyway

[potent echo]

So uh yea

[nocturne dust]

They start that at 30 iirc

[nocturne dust]

no

People say it is

but people are wrong

[radiant ice]

Start introducing corruption to certain enemies yeah at 30

everything at 35

[lone ravine]

coherency regen is bad in normal game because you can get like 200 toughness

[nocturne dust]

Coherency Regen is only bad once you get into clutch and solo territory

Before then it's a massive boost

[potent echo]

I hate fatshark difficulty

[lone ravine]

also ima just post this from #ogryn-class

[potent echo]

But I guess it is the peak difficulty

[radiant ice]

And as it says in the build name

[lean mural]

but it's turned off by anything being vaguely annoyed with you

[potent echo]

Anything near you, no more regeb

[dull gyro]

hoyl shit 30+ seems kinda insane

im stuck-ish at 29

didnt try 30 yet

[nocturne dust]

No, they have to be pretty close

[dull gyro]

im a bit afraid now

[radiant ice]

You are still in the easy mode

[pastel bough]

yeah im on 29 too aha

[lone ravine]

dont worry once you get past 30 so you dont have the 4th modifier it'll be all fine

[nocturne dust]

Dodge backwards with a dueling sword and you will instantly start regening at +90% toughness regen speed

[radiant ice]

30-34 is rough, 35+ is brutality

[potent echo]

I'm guessing if you do full sweat temas with trauma smite stuff then you can get coherency all the time lmao

[lone ravine]

i may or may not have cheesed havoc as a psyker player lmao

[unkempt patio]

guy's it's ok, I did a regular damnation, I am the best now

[nocturne dust]

because the range at which they turn it off is very short

[radiant ice]

I got this today

[lone ravine]

except for ogryns

[radiant ice]

[nocturne dust]

It's also extremely beneficial for ranged builds, obviously

[lean mural]

if you're dealing with one guy, sure. if more than that, something else claims the slot you just emptied and whoops it's turned off againi.

[nocturne dust]

[potent echo]

Outside of havoc I'm almost never with the team

[nocturne dust]

Bro, just dodge again

🤷‍♂️

[radiant ice]

I can finally push 40 tomorrow, kept myself at 35 to host for True Survivor, not knowing 35-40 was identical xD

[potent echo]

But in havoc it's alot better to stick, mainly because the team isn't shitters

[nocturne dust]

Again, it's not good for solo/clutch territory

[lean mural]

even if i'm running agile (and on havoc i am not) i have to hit things to refresh my dodges

[dull gyro]

so the consensus for 35+ is health curio > toughness curio no matter what? Or still build dependant, kinda?

[potent echo]

Yea you don't solo clutch in havoc lol

[lone ravine]

35-40 gives like a horde buff and slightly more spawns lmao

[radiant ice]

Toughness is awful in Havoc on 30+

[lean mural]

either to proc agile or to stagger them so i can stay not-dodging for long enough

[potent echo]

I'm gonna take res speed on my curios again

[lone ravine]

you only prolong your fate lmao

[radiant ice]

Health is great, Stamina is viable

(For psyker)

[nocturne dust]

I bet some mad lad will solo Havoc

[lone ravine]

curio that lets me self revive when?

give me the strength of the god emperor to stand back up (into a pool of fire and just die again)

[lean mural]

we have this

it's called crystalline will

[dull gyro]

oh okay

so other classes may be a tad different yeah?

[lone ravine]

no no thats jsut introducing a grenade slot to psyker

[radiant ice]

Generally those 3 Curios I’m running is the biggest difference I could find after tons of my own testing

[potent echo]

I just get 2 health and 1 toughness

Idk if I even want toughness anymore

[radiant ice]

2 Health and 1 Stam or 3 Health for Havoc

[lean mural]

is there any "actually-functional but still absolute meme" build that stacks wounds to make offensive use of this lmao

[nocturne dust]

3 stam

[radiant ice]

However 1 Stam isn’t worth with the greatsword imo

[potent echo]

Wounds is super pointless because you die

[nocturne dust]

I'm still upset we can't block overheads

[radiant ice]

It gives you a bunch of Stam

[potent echo]

And corruption

[lone ravine]

gotta have bistol with lethal proximity to buff the explosion range

[dull gyro]

🤔 interesting

[radiant ice]

Wounds actively make Psyker weaker

[lean mural]

not talking about havoc, just memeing about CW

[dull gyro]

how?

[radiant ice]

Cause each wound reduces the strength of health restored from stims

[dull gyro]

btw no offense of course because im new here and i dont know people, but who are you since you seem like you have a lot of knowledge @radiant ice

if i may

[dull gyro]

ohh

[radiant ice]

Just a trash psyker

With strong opinions

Part of being Scottish

[nocturne dust]

I am good psyker, I am in the top 100% of Psykers

[strong gulch]

Part of being a psyker in this discord. IDK if being Scottish is additive or multiplicative.

[radiant ice]

In truth was a playtester for the game back before the closed playtests, played fairly consistently until right before Unlocked and Loaded where I took a break for a while

[lean mural]

anyway my point was that if you're in a situation where coherency regen is noticeably refilling your toughness, you aren't in trouble

[dull gyro]

king 🙏

[nocturne dust]

You absolutely can be though

Outside of Havoc, it helps you not be drained by shooters/gunners

Inside Havoc, your toughness total is so tiny you can just... immediately refill

[restive stag]

okay maybe im not that guy deimos is not cutting it for crushers

[nocturne dust]

Use uncanny?

Use h2?

[lean mural]

you're almost definitely doing it wrong

i used to hate deimos and then i figured out h2

[radiant ice]

Havoc Crushers in general just approach you like

https://tenor.com/view/your-not-that-guy-yourenotthatguy-gif-22098263

[nocturne dust]

https://tenor.com/view/jo-jo-jjba-star-platinum-anime-ora-ora-gif-21354005

[restive stag]

issue is the combo string not the bless

[lean mural]

l1 -> h2

[nocturne dust]

just spam heavies

[restive stag]

yeah i know

[nocturne dust]

You can use l1

[restive stag]

both are equally as effective

that is to say

not enough for me because im not that guy

[lean mural]

unblessed h2 headshot knocks a crusher on its ass

[nocturne dust]

but spamming heavies works and is actually better dps after the first l1

[strong gulch]

Deimos L1 H2 is best but you can just smap heavies too.

[radiant ice]

I hate to agree with the 6 brigade

[sturdy reef]

Im curious, has anyone else gotten dark communion in havok? I just did it for my 40 but have enver seen it before

[dull gyro]

yep

[sturdy reef]

maybe they added it in the hotfix?

[dull gyro]

I got it once

pretty sure

[split lance]

Wrong. That’s how I approach them

[nocturne dust]

The only thing better on melee is Dueling Sword tho

which is like

[split lance]

It turns out I’m not that guy

[radiant ice]

But honestly best way to drop Crushers in Havoc outside the DS4 is Mk6 Greatsword heavy chain

[nocturne dust]

the most OP melee in the game

[split lance]

But sometimes I am

[restive stag]

and the difference is insane

i wish there was like a balanced crusher destroying weapon that did nothing else

[nocturne dust]

No? They're very close

[split lance]

Knife

[strong gulch]

One fridge to fridge another.

[radiant ice]

Ehh it’s got the damage but too risky, you are well out of position for a knife stab

[lean mural]

saying things are worse than the ds4 is meaningless. everything is worse than ds4. saying something is worse than ds4 is just saying "things besides ds4 exist."

[split lance]

Zealot thammer I think can 1 tap but then again so can ds4 on zealot

[nocturne dust]

If it destroys crushers it will destroy a lot else

[fiery stratus]

Anyone wanna do havoc? 27 minimum unless someone has higher

[nocturne dust]

It can... ish

[split lance]

If they roll up on you should be more than fine imo

[nocturne dust]

You need thrust and 1 stack of headtaker

for thammer to 1shot a crusher

[radiant ice]

I feel like the Mk6 heavies are good at tapping their heads with enough range to keep safe, and keep moving back

[split lance]

Kill a random ad

[lean mural]

shock maul

[nocturne dust]

alternatively just hit the crusher

[split lance]

But thammer slow

[radiant ice]

Not the most skillful play, but I’ll take the safer one in Havoc

[split lance]

Yeah but I meant for the 1 tap lol

But ideally. Probably wouldn’t have thammer

[nocturne dust]

If you only have thrust, literally the crusher survives on almost nothing

so you can just light the crusher and it will die

[radiant ice]

Fun fact of the night

[restive stag]

does it destroy crushers within 0.3 picoseconds of me pulling it out

[radiant ice]

If someone is annoying you, punch a Daemonhost and run off a cliff next to them

[lean mural]

idk

do the crushers move like the goalposts

[radiant ice]

The Host will switch target onto them

[restive stag]

yeah

they do typically

its scary

[nocturne dust]

what boltor does to a mfer

[restive stag]

kinda true

thats why i feel stuck with ds4 tho

[strong gulch]

I mean, if one tapping a crusher is the metric, there is the chainaxe bloodletter + thunderous meme.

[lean mural]

bless you sibling

i'm going to pull this shit on the next shitter i run into

[restive stag]

it doesnt need to onetap

[dull gyro]

whats the meme about it

[restive stag]

i just need somethin fairly nice to use against crushers, ds4 works its just unsatisfying is all

[nocturne dust]

Use deimos

Is nice

[radiant ice]

Wanna be even funnier? Do it when only you and him can see

[dull gyro]

(i literally dont know)

[nocturne dust]

Bonk them to the ground and then kick them when they're down

[radiant ice]

Them immediately in chat “Why did you aggro Host?” As the team pulls you up

[lean mural]

oh my GOD

[restive stag]

i wont lie its actually the knockdown that has me struggling with it

[dull gyro]

so evil

[nocturne dust]

Oh

wat

[restive stag]

im not good at finding a weakpoint when all i can see on the floor is a blob of grey steel plates in the midst of a horde of like

30 million trillion gazillion ragers and poxwalkers

[nocturne dust]

Use FGS mk6 then

[lean mural]

tag more shit

[radiant ice]

There’s a reason Tzeentch is my favourite 40k entity

[nocturne dust]

it has the same stab but no knockdown

[radiant ice]

We do a little shitbaggery

[restive stag]

fair

[nocturne dust]

but also, the lack of knockdown really does make it worse, smh my head

[lean mural]

that shit's going in my Dangerous Forbidden Technique repository

for times when the mission is already fucked but more reasonable solutions have failed

[strong gulch]

Chainaxe 12 cara + elites with bloodletter + thunderous. Do a revved heavy to a crusher head.

[radiant ice]

I only really use it if I’m duo-ing with someone

[dull gyro]

i still dont get it

[radiant ice]

As a prank, especially the chat thing so the randoms start laying to them

[nocturne dust]

It's a meme because it sucks otherwise

[fiery stratus]

its slow but 1shots

[nocturne dust]

and kinda still sucks on crushers

[dull gyro]

damn, chainaxe bad?

[nocturne dust]

and technically it's not a one-shot because the rev heavy hits a bunch of times

[strong gulch]

The weapon isn't overly amazing in all repects, is slow, takes a fair bit of stam, but can one shot a crusher.

[nocturne dust]

yes

[fiery stratus]

i think heavy evis is the best chainweapon by a good margin as far as i know

[dull gyro]

😔

[radiant ice]

You can also use the tactic effectively

By running off an edge on an accidental aggro next to your friendly shield ogryn

But that’s less fun

[lean mural]

and here's where i'd put my friendly shield ogryn... if i had one

[strong gulch]

Chainaxe is a versatile weapon that is outshined by a bunch of other weapons and is straight up mehh on psyker.

[nocturne dust]

Just run KD

weakling

[lean mural]

if there's a friendly shield ogryn in the game i'm the one playing it and the aggro was both deliberate and consensual

[radiant ice]

No

Trash node

Crutch for weaklings

Khorne does not approve

[nocturne dust]

https://tenor.com/view/exterminate-dalek-daleks-bad-wolf-9th-doctor-gif-2299173760851505189

[radiant ice]

You should block it with your face, not your puny magic

Like the Blood God intended

[nocturne dust]

Khorne doesn't approve of Psykers in general

Go play Zealot

[radiant ice]

Goremages

[nocturne dust]

[muted lion]

Is anyone tryna party up

[radiant ice]

Blood Pact have Psyker

Khorne has a Psyker champion

They just aren’t allowed to use Psyker powers in active combat

To fight with

[nocturne dust]

soooooooo he hates them

Got it

[fathom adder]

Khornate Sorcerers screaming about Metal Boxes or some such

[nocturne dust]

[radiant ice]

Other uses like daemon summoning, tracking, blood rituals, all good

[radiant ice]

I mean I wanna be hated by Khorne

[nocturne dust]

[radiant ice]

He can do angry things to me

[cyan portal]

@nocturne dust @plucky flax did you have time to become convinced that chaining min charged purga is optimal yet?

[nocturne dust]

Get this heretic outta my Genestealer cult.

[radiant ice]

No lube cause Khorne cares not from where the blood flows, only that it does

[nocturne dust]

Did you manage to quantify direct damage difference between the two?

[fiery stratus]

bold talk for a guy named after a vegetable

[nocturne dust]

[radiant ice]

There was someone doing that in a previous Havoc game I had, spamming rmb inferno with like 0 charge

[split lance]

Bold talk coming from a guy named Matt Ramses

[radiant ice]

They did nothing to help and kept going down

That sums the build up enough for me

[nocturne dust]

Bold talk coming from a guy.

[radiant ice]

This is why men should be outlawed

Or remade in N’kari’s image

[cyan portal]

if that's what it takes I'll do it now.

[split lance]

What if my pp is so small that you can’t tell

[fiery stratus]

bold talk for a guy that gets turned into bread and other products

https://tenor.com/view/silly-cat-brainwormism-gif-3108294868786947348

[radiant ice]

See my comment amount the Blood God

[modest patrol]

Now you’re talking

[radiant ice]

You can just turn around ^ @split lance

[split lance]

Idk what this means

[nocturne dust]

I mean what I want is a measure of the DPS difference in different situations It doesn't have to separate direct damage, but measuring it with a variety of blessings/perks/talents. I know it's a lot of work though which is why I haven't done it

[split lance]

Oh my god

[split lance]

Oh

I’d do things to that motherfucker. I’d make slaanesh scared

[fiery stratus]

https://tenor.com/view/cornman-corn-man-corn-time-time-gif-20345758

[radiant ice]

He is one of Slaanesh’s favourites

So you’d probably make Slaanesh proud

[fiery stratus]

https://tenor.com/view/nurgle-total-war-warhammer-great-unclean-one-daemons-nurgling-gif-24491424

[split lance]

Im not trying to be a slaanesh favorite. Or the next champion. Im trying to overthrow her

[fiery stratus]

nurgle 2 based

[nocturne dust]

Slaanesh can't tempt me because I'm too deviant. Slaanesh would never accept my handholding.

[modest patrol]

[Your nearest Aeldar Disapproves]

[radiant ice]

Tzeentch holds my heart

[fiery stratus]

https://tenor.com/view/tazz-you-gonna-learn-today-bling-bling-gif-13859403

guys

https://tenor.com/view/gangsta-bugs-bunny-gif-19829776

[radiant ice]

My favourite story is how he kept throwing his best Daemons into a blackhole

[fiery stratus]

guys

[radiant ice]

Cause he couldn’t see what was inside the Blackhole

And was curious

[pale matrix]

is it a bad idea to run gun psyker in havoc?

[radiant ice]

And by throwing them in, I mean literally asking to talk to them then kicking them in the ass

So they fall in

[nocturne dust]

yes. Can you do it anyway? Also yes.

[radiant ice]

Only one made it out, and despite being an immortal daemon, he returned looking old

With two heads

[split lance]

Yes

[radiant ice]

One can only see the past, one can only see the future, neither can see the present/what’s in front of them

[nocturne dust]

Gun Psyker is a very selfish build compared to bubble staffker because of the lack of ammo for everyone and inability to save allies with bubble

[radiant ice]

This delighted Tzeentch so much he sent the now old bird daemon to go fight lizards in a jungle

[pastel bough]

does anyone happen to have a link to a psyker inferno havoc build?

[pale matrix]

thx

[radiant ice]

Yes

[fiery stratus]

NO

https://tenor.com/view/no-bugs-bunny-nope-gif-4095597578532971838

[cyan portal]

VS malice plogryrn. Min charges kills with 722 dps, max charges kills with 780 dps. Repeating now vs 2x plogryn one behind the other.

[radiant ice]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9dafe0ee-d114-497d-a6df-a7af17352e84/flames-of-havoc

[pastel bough]

youre a legend mate, i grabbed your support build earlier so now i can alternate

[fiery stratus]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-angry-cat-cat-insane-insane-cat-mental-gif-26255478

[radiant ice]

Woot

[nocturne dust]

is that on a no-talent build?

[cyan portal]

full talent proper build

[nocturne dust]

[split lance]

If you have 2 bubble thro. Drop EE and grab battle meditation

[radiant ice]

I don’t really feel Prescience is that big of a deal in Havoc

It’s like “Here’s 40 specials” every two seconds

And Psykinetic’s Aura has both you and your team covered

[nocturne dust]

yes, but your alternative is the elite aura

[radiant ice]

It’s still nice, but an extra 4s cdr when you’re constantly toasting elites is meh

[nocturne dust]

sooooooooooooooooooo

prescience

[radiant ice]

I use the crit one on my inferno build

[nocturne dust]

That eats an extra talent point

[split lance]

Wait. This is wrong. This one’s right

[nocturne dust]

Definitely not worth

[radiant ice]

It does, but an Inferno build has the room

[nocturne dust]

it doesn't

I mean it does, but optimally no

[radiant ice]

Just drop Kinetic Deflection, you don’t need it

https://tenor.com/view/warhammer-monster-rotfl-gif-14520250

[nocturne dust]

https://tenor.com/view/markiplier-hitting-markiplier-gif-23574136

[split lance]

Do u not run nexus?

[radiant ice]

Yes, and the crit aura, and the crit node

[split lance]

Fr. Its there only for the clutch

[radiant ice]

And 5% crit chance on my staff

[nocturne dust]

That's a lot of crit

[radiant ice]

It’s never enough

[nocturne dust]

Non-optimal.

[radiant ice]

Question

Are you a True Survivor?

[nocturne dust]

Question

who of us dies

[radiant ice]

I got it with my inferno build

[split lance]

Question

Actually

[radiant ice]

https://tenor.com/view/the-simpsons-simpsons-bart-bart-simpson-checkmate-gif-19129766

[split lance]

It doesn’t matter

[nocturne dust]

I haven't grinded or skipped

[radiant ice]

Sure thing buddy

[nocturne dust]

I'll get there eventually. One Havoc level at a time.

[split lance]

Haven’t played higher than 34

[radiant ice]

(We’ll just ignore the fact Dead helped reteach me the game after my return from the long break)

[plucky flax]

I have not found time to play yet and I like to do my testing in an actual game too.

[nocturne dust]

Clearly I didn't reteach you hard enough

[plucky flax]

After meatgrinder testing

[nocturne dust]

https://tenor.com/view/paddling-gif-7623907

[radiant ice]

https://tenor.com/view/darth-vader-learner-master-jedi-sith-gif-11771160

[nocturne dust]

https://tenor.com/view/i-see-through-the-lies-of-the-jedi-anakin-star-wars-obiwan-sith-gif-20452610

[radiant ice]

https://tenor.com/view/i-hate-you-anakin-star-wars-gif-10358450

[nocturne dust]

https://tenor.com/view/star-wars-obi-wan-so-uncivilized-throw-away-ewan-mc-gregor-gif-16188904

[radiant ice]

Quite appropriate since we’re discussing Inferno build

[split lance]

lol

[radiant ice]

https://tenor.com/view/anakin-skywalker-anakin-you-lack-conviction-you-lack-you-gif-4289082355048861006

[nocturne dust]

Also, tren, were you running until death on Zealot yesterday?

[radiant ice]

Say what you want about Disney Star Wars, that was the coolest fucking scene in the entire saga

[split lance]

idk, probably

[nocturne dust]

Counterpoint:

[cyan portal]

VS 2 Pogryn
Min charges shrieking at 100 peril: 698 & 639 (I tripped peril at the end so 2nd one lingered while dots finished).
Min charge shrieking at 84 peril: 697 & 575 (I quell ticked and then shrieked to not explode this time).
Max charge shrieking at 100 peril: 736 & 701.
Max charge shrieking at 84 peril: 759 & 706.

Just checking now to see if direct dmg has ranged falloff in case all my numbers are nonsense because I didn't carefully measure distance to make it consistent.

[nocturne dust]

https://tenor.com/view/darth-vader-im-ready-lightsaber-star-wars-gif-15851238

[pastel bough]

disney star wars has some sick moments for sure

[radiant ice]

Ehh, intense and awesome for sure

[split lance]

everyones entitled to their wrong opinions

[radiant ice]

But Hayden

[split lance]

smash

next

[radiant ice]

His whole speech with the smashed helm was awesome too

https://tenor.com/view/kenobi-darth-vader-you-didnt-kill-anakin-skywalker-i-did-obi-wan-kenobi-gif-26037835

[nocturne dust]

https://tenor.com/view/tom-hardy-bane-the-dark-knight-rises-no-one-cared-who-i-was-till-i-put-on-the-mask-gif-21913679

[zinc phoenix]

that obi wan show sucked ass tho

[radiant ice]

It did every moment Hayden wasn’t on screen

[strong gulch]

Praise this day. I no longer have a notification dot above my cosmetics tab.

[radiant ice]

Every moment he was though, holy shit

[nocturne dust]

Idk, I guess I prefer the action of rogue one's vader scene because Star Wars has never had good plot/story/characters

at least imo

[pastel bough]

when it comes to new age media, extrapolate what you like, and make up your own for the rest

[zinc phoenix]

rogue one and andor are the good shit for sure