psyker-class

[jovial juniper]

Good to know Pots still a dead talent

[celest valve]

yeah, everything's hooked up except for the final rending multiplier sum where someone forgot to add the calculation to it

[jovial juniper]

https://tenor.com/view/rage-mad-door-slam-quit-gif-22084787

[celest valve]

it's like you did all the work shipping something out, but you forgot to mail it

[zinc phoenix]

Long bridge on archivum sycorax after the area transition that has basically no cover where the game likes to spawn literal dozens of gunners and shooters benefits from bubble

It’s probably not mandatory

But it does make everything easier

[jaunty tiger]

Are you talking about the series of towers you climb down?

[zinc phoenix]

Like if you’re in a mixed horde and crusher scenario and there are shotgunners about bubble means you don’t have to think about them and concentrate on the mob

[zinc phoenix]

Yeah that first bit of it with the long bridge where the gunners can stack up

[celest valve]

i still think people freak out a little and don't shoot back

[zinc phoenix]

It’s pretty nasty if you get a boss spawn when they do that

Bubble also really good for trivializing bon fight which imo matters because bon is very dangerous and annoying

Spawn and pogryn are pretty easy to duel and the only threat is missing a dodge and getting ledged

Or stuffed into a corner and hentai’d by spawn

[zinc phoenix]

Yeah learning to shoot back and suppress em even if you can’t kill them was a big deal for me personally, it’s just there’s a lot of angles in that spot in particular they can hit you from and no point that is totally safe

[celest valve]

yeah unless you're an ogryn you have to like.... actually aim

[zinc phoenix]

I think in a few months everyone will have skilled up enough that bubble etc is no longer seen as mandatory

Assuming havoc still sees play

[celest valve]

also maybe people will be more accepting of ogryns and their useful loudness

[zinc phoenix]

But the transition from the community playing AM to havoc 40 has been hard 😂

[zinc phoenix]

They’re genuinely good in havoc, tauntgryn with dmr is so useful

[celest valve]

also the brain burst 10% talent might be surprisingly useful

if you oneshot an enemy, it won't proc, so it seems like it's mostly extra damage that might finish off someone

teehee, venting shriek is called biomancer discharge for it's damage

[potent echo]

@nocturne dust you might be onto something with raw charge FGS

[acoustic isle]

I think the one the havocs has you learn (and if you dont learn it you lose) is turn the fuck around and circle back to that better spot

Dont just trust to push

[celest valve]

raw charge?

[potent echo]

Somehow the heavy inherits the finesse modifiers so it's actually decently strong into heads

And on the 6 it combos into the thrust which is really good

Basically spamming special without essence charged up

It also staggers ragers not doing their combo

So it's kinda really good when 20 fucking ragers run at you

[zinc phoenix]

I been saying that since it came out 😂

[potent echo]

I was ok

I'm gonna try a FGS bistol creeping build later

[acoustic isle]

Having used inferno staff with that 10% chance burst yes absolutely useful in 30+ havocs. Got a lucky back to back proc on one single full charge and it wiped out a wave of crushers and ragers

[zinc phoenix]

BTW you can stagger with the special thru walls

[potent echo]

The FGS stagger into bistol is so good actually

Idk why but the stagger lasts quite long

[zinc phoenix]

So for instance if you know a trapper is coming around a corner you can snapshot it thru the wall with the special to stagger it and then finish it off

BUT

The stagger does not work on pox burster

[potent echo]

Nice

Just force bush it with your massive fist

[zinc phoenix]

Yeah what tends to happen is I clip it with the tip of the sword when cutting something else and then I get yeeted 😂

[acoustic isle]

But overall that 10% chance to pop is on every instance of damage as dom's guide might have pointed out

So every tick of fire damage is a 10% chance while you spray

So you can just melt waves

[potent echo]

Isnt the cooldown like 15 seconds though

[radiant ice]

Havoc in a nutshell

[potent echo]

I really like the captain spawn s

But why do they stack with actual bosses

[zinc phoenix]

Because is funny

[marble crater]

Because fuck you

[acoustic isle]

Sure but when you find yourself in those long drawn out fights you'll find those 15 seconds passing by quite quickly.

[potent echo]

Also when can we get the personal shield bubble

[zinc phoenix]

It’s called empathic evasion 😂

[potent echo]

True

[acoustic isle]

And i dunno if it is me but i have found multiple bursts procing at once before that 15 seconds starts

[potent echo]

Absolutely carrying me in havoc

[halcyon gust]

I was waiting for the shooter to 100 to 0 you from a shot from behind

[zinc phoenix]

I wish EE had literally any kind of graphic so I know when I’m doomed

[radiant ice]

Empathic Evasion, Ghost Blessing on laspistol, FullAuto mod

= What Havoc?

[potent echo]

It would be kinda crazy to have a blur effect turn on and off every 2 seconds though

[zinc phoenix]

Ghost blessing las is honestly a pretty good idea

[radiant ice]

Not my video! I’m bad enough at the game he would absolutely have domed me

[zinc phoenix]

I’d have to give up my trauma panic button

But it’s not a bad idea

[radiant ice]

Ghost makes Havoc so easy

[potent echo]

But ammo

[radiant ice]

It why I seek vets instead of books in Party Finder

[zinc phoenix]

Most of the time you’re not shooting so it’d only be on approach

[radiant ice]

Just chilling setting hordes on fire while they deal with everything else while immortal

[potent echo]

While immoral

[radiant ice]

There’s also the shield thingy Ogryn can do

Where if an enemy shoots their shield, it forces them to melee

[potent echo]

Oh yea that was great in vanilla

[radiant ice]

Just send an Ogryn round a corner for a few secs, no more Havoc gunners

[potent echo]

Although the elites don't care

Which is one small downside

[radiant ice]

The elites are the easy part

It’s the random scab gunners that ruin you

[potent echo]

True except they walk now I hate it

[acoustic isle]

Yep but ultimately mouse 5 plant

Buncha gunners shoot

Let go and block while you run away

[zinc phoenix]

If you try this the gunners will break your block once you leave special

[radiant ice]

You can even combo all these tactics, Ogryn aggro’s the normal shooters then backs into the bubble, vet while unable to be hit by them snipes the specials/elites

And the Psyker sets fire to the horde trash

[acoustic isle]

Is the stamina drain that bad?

[marble crater]

I thought it doesn't work on gunners, did they change it?
Because for sure didn't work in the past, they just keep shooting. Shotgunners and shooters will come running though

[radiant ice]

While the zealot book spams

Gunners are the least oppressive gunner in havoc

[zinc phoenix]

It’s very quick in standard block, idk what the exact timing is but it’s nasty. Special is fine whatever tho

Other issue is net/dog/fire/pox stuff can get u through shield

[radiant ice]

These assholes are what end Havoc runs

With their now fucking lore accurate lasguns

[acoustic isle]

Well either way good news for me boys. I got my 40 clear last night and it was on my own assignment. So i can host more 40's for folks who need it

[zinc phoenix]

Nice

[acoustic isle]

And i guess i can go for true survivor now

[radiant ice]

Ah!

I am 35 and can host a TS run

[zinc phoenix]

TS is both easier and harder than you’d think

[acoustic isle]

I got close multiple times

One goof with a flamer ruined one right at the end of chasm station

[radiant ice]

So if you wanna knock those 5 levels off and join, would love the help to get TS

[half turtle]

flurry is better than blaze for trauma in high havoc right

[radiant ice]

You get Blaze on trauma?

[acoustic isle]

If i wasnt at work i absolutely would lmao

[zinc phoenix]

Blaze is pretty clutch for trauma

[jaunty tiger]

Wrong

Scab stalkers

[radiant ice]

Right

[acoustic isle]

8 am right now shift ends at 4 pm

[half turtle]

i usually run blaze in aurics

[halcyon gust]

I may make attempts at TS myself, but is it worth the sanity cost for it

[jaunty tiger]

Too often I've gone "omg is there a gunner here" based on the laser density

[radiant ice]

Ohh the soulblaze one

[jaunty tiger]

Nah it's just two scab stalkers

[half turtle]

yeah blazing spirit

[radiant ice]

I was thinking blaze away

Inferno brain

[acoustic isle]

I stayed up like an hour and half past when i go to bed last night to clear that 40 lmao

[half turtle]

i see lots of people running nexus/flurry trauma and it kinda feels like my 6 stacks don't do as much work

[halcyon gust]

I assume any gun fire I see is a Shooter until visual contact on Havoc

[half turtle]

since they don't seem to 1-shot horde as reliably on high havoc

[halcyon gust]

Trauma has great CC capable of knocking down enemies on their asses

[acoustic isle]

Also got my carnival tour of duty at the same time lol

[half turtle]

i tried flurry and it was ok but hard to tell what the dps diff is

[radiant ice]

On Trauma I love flurry and rending shock

But nexus and blaze is def more popular

[halcyon gust]

We love the Flame Trauma set

[half turtle]

yeah i've been trying both i just can't tell which one is better

[acoustic isle]

The biggest thing i had to really mentally adjust with @radiant ice was realizing just to how high in perils i could stay while just spamming the shit out of that inferno staff

[jaunty tiger]

Fire trauma is usually considered better

[half turtle]

in havoc? or in auric

[acoustic isle]

Wasnt quite use to being able to just float in the 80s- 90s and still be fine

[radiant ice]

Ideally always want to be above 80, and never below 60

80 is the cap for most the peril scaling stuff

[jaunty tiger]

Auric but I don't know what would change in havoc

If anything fire would be even better

[half turtle]

so it seems like horde guys have more hp

so 6 stacks doesn't reliably 1-shot them

[jaunty tiger]

Dots are much stronger

🤔

Well tbh i use purg in havoc so idk

[half turtle]

i think havoc 1.5xs hp

yeah blaze only stacks 6

[radiant ice]

Inferno staff bubble psyker is one of the kings of high Havoc

[half turtle]

i think purg stacks 15 or 16

depending on crit

[radiant ice]

Inferno bubble Psyker and book Zealot feel mandatory as you close in on 40 imo

[half turtle]

i should just try purg

purg just has way shorter range than zealot flamer and it throws me off

[halcyon gust]

Like it nukes anything that gets into your range outside of a crusher

[radiant ice]

Havoc builds are also vastly different to Auric ones, keep in mind

[jaunty tiger]

Yeah purg is like 10m shorter or so?

[radiant ice]

As is your play style

Some curio choices for example would be real dumb in Auric, but shine in Havoc

[half turtle]

yeah i play like a tiny baby in auric now because of havoc

[radiant ice]

And vice versa

[jaunty tiger]

Still, zealot flamer takes a shitton of ammo

Infinite fire is op

[half turtle]

almost wiped an auric train because i wasn't pushing

[halcyon gust]

Been trying to get HP Curios for my Psyker, but Blunt refuses to sell them

[marble crater]

Melk gambling

[radiant ice]

If you are interested in Havoc fire, this is the build I made for it

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9dafe0ee-d114-497d-a6df-a7af17352e84/flames-of-havoc?utm_medium=website&utm_source=gameslantern&utm_campaign=share_button

Those curio choices are whack for Auric tho, so don't do that XD

[half turtle]

is blaze away/nexus generally the best blessings

even with crushers

[radiant ice]

Blaze Away is essential

Nexus is a debate between that and Penetrating Flame

Nexus for crit DPS builds, PF for support builds with lower crit

Depends how you wanna use the staff

Just don't even try use the staff without Blaze Away, throwing away 40% strength is nuts XD

[half turtle]

yeah

[half turtle]

how does blaze consider the % magazine or whatever

is it % of the charge bar

[radiant ice]

Ticks up every 0.1s or left click

So 5 left clicks or 0.5s of right click to max

[half turtle]

hmm i've actually just been running my very similar curios in auric

it;s like

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[acoustic isle]

This but i also just used dueling sword for mobility and dodges

[radiant ice]

Oh yeah melee is flexible af

Just whatever you prefer to pop crushers really

[half turtle]

ah

[radiant ice]

Cause fire doesn’t do too well there

[half turtle]

is it worth taking uncanny for blaze on crushers

[radiant ice]

I like the Mk6 heavy chain more personally

(For Havoc crusher waves)

[acoustic isle]

And then being able to brain burst that stray bomber, hound or trapper running by that the others cant get to is nice

[radiant ice]

It really is

[acoustic isle]

Assuming no pox hardened skin lol

[radiant ice]

Plus Kinetic Flayer is a must on the staff anyway

[quick tulip]

WHACK STAB

[acoustic isle]

Also yeah if i had to throw my hat in i prefer mk6 gs to 8

[radiant ice]

I prefer the Mk8 massively

Except when using a CC build

[acoustic isle]

But if we're really trying to be objective here i dont think one really trumps the other

[half turtle]

i thought damage was dump stat on flamer weapons, is that not true any more

[acoustic isle]

It's all moveset preference

[radiant ice]

Cause the chained heavy adds some assassination to my otherwise cc focus for when needed

[radiant ice]

For the flamer, yes

For the Staff, it’s actually really hard to build peril on the flame staff sometimes

And it gets stronger at 80% peril, so you wanna sit there

[half turtle]

ah classic edging

[radiant ice]

Dumping Warp Resist is just free real estate

And actually helps

I think it’s worked out that 35% -ish Warp Resist with 80 everywhere else is actually ideal

But that’s too much micro for me, both to get and use the staff

Just means I sometimes have to throw a few aerial left clicks between hordes to keep my peril from dropping below 60

You could also take more Warp Resist and drop ER for more toughness regen

But rending doesn’t work and who cares about toughness that much in Havoc xD

It’s either 100% or 0%

+you should always be inside a bubble getting regen and often booked up

[marble crater]

Yep, yesterday I got hit by 2 bruisers at full health and full toughness, I was left with 50% hp after the hits

[radiant ice]

Yeah, so ER is kinda just a whatever for its downside in Havoc

And can make sitting above 80% easier when you’re up there

[marble crater]

I might try that instead of Penetration of the Soul, also because I am still not sure for what it actually works

[radiant ice]

Although I only take it cause it’s on the way to Warp Siphon

Doesn’t actually work, it’s broken

Only time to ever take it is in a build actively hurt by ER where you want Warp Siphon

[marble crater]

Broken for everything? I thought it worked for some things at least and is broken for the rest

Like worked for fire maybe?

[radiant ice]

I couldn’t get it to work at all

And it only applies to your direct hits, well meant to

Not like its brittleness for the team or anything

If it was, I’d def take it over ER

[marble crater]

True, rending and brittle are not the same thing, forgot that during my break

[radiant ice]

But it’s just a dead point atm unless you need Warp Siphon but ER would screw either your regen in Auric or your Peril building overall

I 100% think Souldrinker should be there instead

And away from wherever the fuck it is for some reason

[marble crater]

Time to change my build less toughness, more health

[radiant ice]

Souldrinkers pretty bad in its own right, but at least over there it’d be extra toughness regen for inferno

A tiny help on crits

[haughty star]

It only works on flames and shit iirc

[radiant ice]

Your own warp direct hits

Is when it should work

But even then it’s 50/50

[marble crater]

The more I hear about it the less I like it

[vernal temple]

Hmm... I wonder. If I want to go full "support unit" on havoc missions, what build and gear should I use? Apart from the obvious Smite + Dome

[radiant ice]

All it needs to be is either 20% rending for all your warp damage, or 10% brittle application

[radiant ice]

I have this!

[radiant ice]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9daef482-8855-431e-83dd-bea9510bb772/support-lightning-havoc-35-40

Use the staff 90% of the time, sword heavy chains for Crusher headshots when needed

Smite only if your team is caught in bad position in a mixed Elite/Special horde

Don't Smite zombies at a chokepoint and break your teams builds, they'll hate you

[haughty star]

It literally only works for soulflsme rn lol

Its busted

[radiant ice]

In Havoc, you want the enemies to come to your dome of death, not you to run out of it at them

As such, this build pairs super well with an Inferno psyker

Cause they can melt hordes while you pick off elites

And gives you double bubble leapfrog, which means you can move across entire rooms without stepping out of bubble

[haughty star]

You can also just use inferno and bubble.

[radiant ice]

They asked for a support build

Inferno bubble is Havoc's main CC DPS right now

But I have one of them too

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9dafe0ee-d114-497d-a6df-a7af17352e84/flames-of-havoc

These two pair super well together in Havoc if you have a friend XD

[marble crater]

That's a big if

[vernal temple]

Hmm I have a similar set up in terms of weapons, but instead of Warp Flurry I use Surge, since I lmb spam constantly. Greatsword blessings are Deflector and Momentum.

[radiant ice]

Lightning without Warp Flurry is heresy

Melee doesn’t matter, whatever preferred anti crusher thing you like

Duelling sword, knife, pointy stick you found on the floor

[patent mango]

guys rogue trader just added 12 force swords lmao

[vernal temple]

I rarely use the charged attack tho, like I said, relying on crits + Surge for that double tap

[patent mango]

psykers are eating so good rn

[haughty star]

Best configuration I've seen is two Bible thumper, a bubble inferno and a smiteker

[radiant ice]

Ahh that’s a whole other build that I don’t like

Hey guess what BAZ?

[vernal temple]

why only health curios and no gunner res on them tho?

[radiant ice]

Gunner Resist is awful

[haughty star]

Sup

[radiant ice]

And Toughness is useless in Havoc

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9d9c2d3c-2214-41d8-a66c-00d1d1e0918f/bible-thumper

[vernal temple]

what about stamina curios?

[radiant ice]

...why?

On a caster build?

And you'll need the health on Havoc XD

[radiant ice]

It's almost like I planned this XD

[zinc phoenix]

it honestly doesnt seem to matter either way

i took all toughness curios on my TS and h40 runs 😂

ultimately the goal is not to be hit

[haughty star]

Or almost like it's a clear cut meta that everyone's been running? Lol

[vernal temple]

oof, guess it's a miracle that even managed to get to clearance 27 with just toughness curios

[radiant ice]

I mean the difference from 3T and 0T in Havoc 40 is 20 Toughness

[radiant ice]

Not a huge deal at that low of Havoc

You'll notice the drop around 30 tho

20 Toughness for 3 Curios is a bad deal

Having nearly 300 health though

[vernal temple]

I tried joining 32 once, ate shit lmao

[radiant ice]

That's worth XD

[vernal temple]

I can't even fathom how people get True Survivor as psykers

[radiant ice]

Corruption Resist is normally terrible, but again shines in Havoc cause every enemy does Corruption damage, there is gas and goo modifiers to watch for

[radiant ice]

Psyker is probably the easiest to get it

Hmm, maybe Zealot

Both easy

Well, compared to Ogryn or Vet

It's a brutal challenge regardless XD

[vernal temple]

haven't seen a lot of ogryns on havoc tho

[haughty star]

It's super boring to be honest

[vernal temple]

I'm a casual player so I'll probably never get it

[shut jewel]

People are being incredibly ogryn-racist on havoc lobbies atm.

[radiant ice]

I love Ogryn’s in my havoc games

[vernal temple]

and lowlevel-racist too

[radiant ice]

Forcing those lasgunners to melee only is nice

[haughty star]

Instead of making the game interesting and engaging through higher level content they just went and made a even more clear cut meta that's dull and boring

[shut jewel]

Tauntgryn can be nice when they know how to handle themselves, yeah.
Chargegryn does well too imo, just knocking down an entire horde, crushers and maulers included, is strong.

[radiant ice]

I like Havoc, I just wished the modifiers were less serious and more stupid. Like Nurglings in party hats

At least in lower levels

[vernal temple]

I have a ~300 true level psyker, then made another one which is just around level 50 atm. the same lobby that rejected my lvl 50 happily accepted my lvl 300 lmao

[radiant ice]

I mean I made Dominaya two weeks ago

And they already 129

Sometimes people make new characters, so I keep that in mind

I try be nice when hosting

[haughty star]

Its literally just gunners nuke you mode lol. The modifiers are whatever.

[radiant ice]

But I also get like 200 requests in 5 seconds whenever I host above 35

[haughty star]

Yes they're challenging but it's super bad for build expression

[radiant ice]

So I don’t decline, I just can’t accept you all :/

[acoustic isle]

Lol hey my desperation has ended so im fine

Feel like getting that 40 freed me

[vernal temple]

gonna give this one a go on my main, since he had loads of those 21% hp curios

thanks

dunno if I'll love it or hate it but I'll try

[radiant ice]

Just remember full charged right click is your main weapon

[vernal temple]

right

[radiant ice]

And Smite is just an “Oh shit” if you see your Zealot getting gangbanged in a corner by 4 crushers and 6 ragers

[vernal temple]

I always see Smite as the "Oh Shit!" button

[radiant ice]

Just don’t horde smite choke points

That’s the worst

You set up a choke then have to run out of it at spread out enemies

[quartz barn]

[radiant ice]

Instead of funnelling them to your relic sword maniac buddy

Different if that horde contains a bunch of elites

You then hold the horde and elites until someone snipes the elites, then you let the horde go and come through the choke

[broken carbon]

smite is like a flamer

use it like 4-5 times a match

building for smite with EP is stinky

[radiant ice]

EP is still insane with Smite if used right

Not for the damage

[broken carbon]

no i know

[radiant ice]

For the 50% spread increase

[broken carbon]

but it’s stinky

[radiant ice]

No it’s pretty essential for using Smite correctly at high level 😛

[broken carbon]

not really

[mossy oyster]

"high level"

oh shit carapace and ragers are spamming us

uses smite

[radiant ice]

Which is to temp hold, not to kill. The 50% spread is for that

[mossy oyster]

high level

[radiant ice]

I meant high level games

[broken carbon]

LMAO

[radiant ice]

Like Havoc 40

[mossy oyster]

my statement doesnt change

lmfao

[radiant ice]

And no, you should kill the ragers if they are running at you

[haughty star]

I like the 6 better now. The quick overhands are way better than the poke being a 2nd combo

[radiant ice]

You should smite them if you turned around and they are already penetrating your Veteran

[broken carbon]

mk6 force greatsword?

[haughty star]

Yeah lol

[broken carbon]

mk6..

stinky

mk8 superiority

[haughty star]

I meant the 8

[broken carbon]

ohg

good

[haughty star]

Mb early yet

[broken carbon]

mk8 is pawesome

@mossy oyster they can change….

there is hope yet

[mossy oyster]

https://tenor.com/view/james-sunderland-james-sunderland-head-shake-silent-hill-silent-hill-2-silent-hill-2-remake-gif-17864301581285667315

[haughty star]

6s moveset is borderline superior but the 8 just delivers so much faster

[mossy oyster]

its like 2 other people laid the ground work before hand or something

[broken carbon]

true

[mossy oyster]

🚬

[broken carbon]

wait who’s the other person

[mossy oyster]

yam

I got yam onto 8

[broken carbon]

mk6 has a stab that’s easier to access when you’re already in combo, but less damage, whereas mk8 can access it much easier from sprint or combo starting

and being a bit harder to access doesn’t really matter much when you’re one shotting

instead of 2 shotting with the mk6

your DPS might be higher against bosses with the mk6? but that’s really the only target that would need it i think

[haughty star]

The lights cleave much better too. The 6 feels really slowed without wrath

[broken carbon]

that’s probably why so many people advocate for wrath

id have to check how much cleave the mk6 has

[summer prairie]

what are you one-shotting with mk8 stab that you aren't with mk6 overhead

[potent echo]

ragers and gunners

[tacit stump]

false order

[potent echo]

but the push attack takes so long you just do overhead light is good enough

[broken carbon]

ragers, ogryns

[summer prairie]

that's some buffs if you are one-shotting ogryns

[broken carbon]

mk8 overhead heavies also can one shot most elites

[haughty star]

I think it's the attack type

[broken carbon]

SG and DD

not too bad to reach

[summer prairie]

but yeah the push attack is so slow

[haughty star]

The swipe whatever it's called instead of the back and forth cleave

[broken carbon]

not really

[mossy oyster]

only higher cause the ADMS for Unyielding on mk6 H2 is crazy

so if you wanted easier bossing

[broken carbon]

oh i didn’t know

neat

[mossy oyster]

go Mk6

for higher unyielding ADMS on H2

and easier heavy loops

[broken carbon]

is h2 the stab

[mossy oyster]

yes

[potent echo]

yea stab

for scab captain i do stab > light > light > stab loop

[mossy oyster]

I have no problem nuking bosses with Mk8 Stab Thrust

[broken carbon]

same

[mossy oyster]

its just mk6 has higher unyielding ADMS on the thrust

[broken carbon]

dealing a quarter of a burgle in one stab

yummers

[potent echo]

i love soloing bosses with FGS

[broken carbon]

same

it’s fun

[haughty star]

The mk8 overhand just delivers so much faster lol

[broken carbon]

and it still meets a lot of nice BPs

[haughty star]

Yuppp

[broken carbon]

like for sniping out ragers

shotgunners

all the things that eat up cleave

[haughty star]

Mk6 would be clearly superior if they had similar swing speed but the 8 just moves so much faster

[broken carbon]

it’s why i don’t think wrath is needed at all

on the mk8

[full kestrel]

did they make 17% toughness unattainable? what?

[broken carbon]

because cleave issues can be killed quickly

[broken carbon]

i’ve spent 10k melkbux gambling for curios

and i’ve just given up

[full kestrel]

????????

[broken carbon]

haven’t gotten any +3 stam curios

[summer prairie]

the ratings are rounded

[broken carbon]

any 17%s except the couple i got ages ago

[full kestrel]

lmao melkbux

[wet cloak]

Btw how do people usually deal with ragers when they have a FGS? I feel like no matter how you dodge they just rubberband along with you.

[haughty star]

My only character that has flawless curios is my dumb ass ogryn

[haughty star]

Push or just straight up light attack. 8s over hands and lights are better for rager mitigation if you're using the 6

[wet cloak]

I am using the mk6

[full kestrel]

thanks for the idea, just got my first one

[mossy oyster]

1 shot them with heavies to the head, force push them on their ass, or dodge sideways

[full kestrel]

2.5k melkbux

[mossy oyster]

hold up block then start crabbing sideways

[potent echo]

also FGS has crazy range

you can hit them first usually

or backdodge etc

crabbing is great when theres alot of ragers

[wet cloak]

Yeah my problem is usually when they're in a horde and when I try to hit them then the weaklings just take the swing instead

[mossy oyster]

abuse the range of FGS poke

on both marks

[potent echo]

FGS has high stam for blocking too so it works great with kinetic deflection

if they are in a horde just spam gun/staff/assail

no honorable duelling

[wet cloak]

But that goes against my FGS power fantasy :P

[potent echo]

then do the cheat code

raw FGS special

it staggers ragers

if used before they start combo

[wet cloak]

Alright

[potent echo]

so use it early, stagger them, poke/overhead etc

[wet cloak]

Now my next question is: How do I stop the zealots from running off and getting eaten by dogs?

Those damn dagger-wielding zealots

[patent mango]

let the dogs get rid of them

[wet cloak]

I usually just look back and think to myself "Nah that's too far away, I can't be bothered"

[plucky flax]

Use special activation to stagger it. The follow up heavy is the stab.

[wet cloak]

But if it's another psyker then I go "Gotta save em"

No bias here.

[potent echo]

FGS saves lives

[broken carbon]

frown

i have one on psyker

and none else

[full kestrel]

I'm down 16k melkbux and only got the one

did get two more 17%s tho

and this is my zealot, actually

[acoustic isle]

I really just wanna get my hands on 2 more +3 stam curios for zealot

[hazy moss]

one is all you need

[acoustic isle]

And just run down everyone with double barrel doom guy style

[echo root]

This doesn't give +3 stam
Try it in a real game with dueling sword, you'll get 4 stam instead of 5.

[full kestrel]

ah right it's only at 410 right

cosmetic

[hazy moss]

below 420

[echo root]

410 works

[full kestrel]

still better to be higher tier than not so w/e

[haughty star]

Knife zealot is a incredibly overpowered power trip

All the way up until it aint

[full kestrel]

the real answer is clear hordes

so they have room to dodge

but also

some times just they get fked

[zinc phoenix]

Push attack puts them on their ass

Also maulers

And staggers crusher

[queen fog]

its also ranged, bout 9 meters last i checked on the meat grinder

[zinc phoenix]

So I put them on their ass and do the mk8 heavy poke to kill them

[queen fog]

same as the regular force sword

[potent echo]

he meant in mixed horde situations where push isnt too reliable

[patent mango]

stab to the face

[zinc phoenix]

Yes, that is also what I am talking about

[potent echo]

but raw FGS special

[zinc phoenix]

I duel rager blobs with this technique

[haughty star]

Doesn't the special also imbue the blade to some degree?

[zinc phoenix]

Once you get used to it it’s pretty reliable altho the timing can be tricky

[potent echo]

its like an infinite cleave regular overhead but sideways

plus the little bit of damage from the wave

[zinc phoenix]

The special is gold for dealing with ragers but most of the time it won’t be charged 😂

It do stagger a pack tho which is nice when you want them all at the same point in attack chain

[potent echo]

i tried with maulers and it does go through more than one carapace helmet.. i think

cant tell sometimes

[haughty star]

I've always got ek or recon 12 when I have FGS so with 12 they just get deleted and ek staggers em out

[zinc phoenix]

I like meleeing them personally, it’s fun

But I have a trauma stick in my back pocket just in case

[haughty star]

Its kinda fun swapping to 12 and just hip firing them plus everything around them down in a couple seconds

[zinc phoenix]

Yeah but then it’s the gun doing the work which anyone can do, meleeing a rager pack takes some doing 😂

[mossy oyster]

push is reliable asf in mixed hordes

I FGS pushed open 2 bulwarks so I can 1 shot the mauler hiding inside of them with a double barrel

[zinc phoenix]

Yeah it’s awesome for popping open bulwarks

And ofc with the mk8 you’re perfectly set up to headshot em with the poke of doom after

[radiant frigate]

siblings I'm going to quit flamer and just play bigsword instead

thoughts?

[queen fog]

havoc people will miss your flames

but im happy you intend to have fun

[potent echo]

Big sword good

[radiant frigate]

perhaps i need to play zealot bigsword

[queen fog]

both are good

[upper sun]

yes u do

relic good

[radiant frigate]

so at least someone brings cleanse

so people don't die avoidable deaths

[potent echo]

I bring absolutely nothing except cdr aura

Cleanse is actually pretty nice for puddles

But I learnt from this discord that you can also spam jump

[nocturne dust]

you can but it's enough of a distraction and pain that cleanse is just going to save you 🙏

[radiant frigate]

i mean, tbh

not sure there is an amount of cleanse that saves you from eating 2 overheads in 30s

[patent mango]

2?

[celest valve]

https://tenor.com/lzBSq0vaYwq.gif

[radiant frigate]

Yes

[celest valve]

how to deal with overhead

[patent mango]

ig with until death

[radiant frigate]

zealot death resist took the first one

my smite was too late to stop the 2nd

[nocturne dust]

gold toughness

[radiant frigate]

[potent echo]

Crushers are crazy in havoc

They doing combos and shit

How

[patent mango]

crushers in havoc funny

[potent echo]

They should bring that over to vanilla

[radiant frigate]

https://tenor.com/view/conan-sword-practice-gif-17523245

[potent echo]

But no health buff please my breakpoints

[radiant frigate]

havoc crushers be like

what if we had ogryn-sized carapace ragers

[zinc phoenix]

Same, flame is lame

[radiant frigate]

hot or not?

[nocturne dust]

not

[radiant frigate]

what if they dual wield maulers

or smaller ragers

[potent echo]

But will voidblast last

[stark wave]

what even is the stagger value on purg lmb

[nocturne dust]

tf you gonna do to counterplay an ogryn rager? Die?

[potent echo]

Everything except bosses and crushers

[radiant frigate]

could make it a boss

or make it spawn in packs of 10

[nocturne dust]

Cool, so where's the counterplay?

[potent echo]

A real kazakidum patrol

[stark wave]

maulers get staggered but only when they feel like it

[zinc phoenix]

Wait for it to tire out when hitting kinetic deflection 😂

[nocturne dust]

Cuz it sounds like you just want a rager immune to stagger and with a chunky enough health bar that you can't shoot it dead, which is literally their counterplay

[radiant frigate]

dodge the infinite overhead barrage

[nocturne dust]

Oh good

More dodging

How original and what a unique facet of gameplay

[radiant frigate]

no i just want a big rager because it would be funny

[potent echo]

Nah make their feet unarmored so you need to slice at their ankles

[stark wave]

need a psyker staff where you cover the floor in grease

[zinc phoenix]

Lubegatus

[potent echo]

Still waiting for more staves

[nocturne dust]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-bite-legs-cat-bite-gif-12904327

[potent echo]

Soulube...

[radiant frigate]

soulblazeable soulube

[broken carbon]

ogryn rager that’s basically a mutant but it just rips you and half instantly

[nocturne dust]

it should be soap

Clean the heretics

[radiant frigate]

telepathically grab a heretic and squeeze the soulube out like a tube of toothpaste

[stark wave]

this would scare the player base off

[zinc phoenix]

Like the bg3 puddles you can combo off for fire ice etc?

[radiant frigate]

Yes

[zinc phoenix]

I’d be down

[patent mango]

fashion police squad where you go faster in soap trail

🔥

[radiant frigate]

but make it like divinity 2 puddles (hyper lethal)

[stark wave]

fucked up and evil ration spell

[radiant frigate]

bg3 surfaces ain't shit

[zinc phoenix]

Neeeeeeein!

[radiant frigate]

except for one, of course

roiling hellfire goes hard

[radiant ice]

So, anyone around that wanted to do the True Survivor runs?

[radiant frigate]

alternate solution: ogryn rager that is so top heavy that shooting them in the legges makes them flop over comically and their helmet falls off (causes a chain reaction of flopping with other ogryn ragers)

[nocturne dust]

https://tenor.com/view/bruh-what-is-the-flop-everybody-do-the-flop-dance-dancing-gif-16110772

[patent mango]

ogryn rager with massive jump

https://tenor.com/bN0y4.gif

[radiant frigate]

and green

ogreen

[patent mango]

they also have plasteel knuckles

[radiant ice]

Shregryn

[nocturne dust]

I find this acceptable. I demand zealots get an ankle biting animation.

[radiant frigate]

https://tenor.com/view/beast-boy-teen-titans-go-darkseid-feral-teen-titans-gif-24941013

[hazy moss]

ive demoted out of havoc 32 twice bc of teammates that think its funny and cute to try havoc missions theyre not ready for

:(

[zinc phoenix]

Why are you as the host accepting them?

[hazy moss]

idk its kinda funny recruiting level 50s and then malding when they inevitably fail

[zinc phoenix]

Ok, sounds like you got what you wanted then

[hazy moss]

[quartz barn]

Guy that applies has clearance 38

Plays oggy

Proceeds to do 60k dmg in 10 mins...

[patent mango]

wheres ogryn buff i want faster action speed and consistent mantling

[ripe obsidian]

The mine battle in act 2 of D:OS2 had so much oil it took my FPS from 120 to like 40. It was glorious.

[ripe obsidian]

I can in a bit. Gotta make sure nothing is on fire at work first.

[radiant ice]

Cool, how about we say in around an hour then?

[ripe obsidian]

That probably works

[radiant ice]

@zinc phoenix Still interested?

[ripe obsidian]

"Havoc mission participants now appear on the Havoc menu when a player starts a mission session. No participants outside of that list can be in the party for the mission to take place."

I do not understand what this means

[acoustic isle]

Basically means once a mission starts it cant be joined

As i understood it

No joining a havoc in progress

[zinc phoenix]

Meetings this morning so no can do sadly

Keep just missing games with you 😂

[radiant ice]

That sucks

Used it yesterday when a Russian guy quit 10 seconds after loading in

Invited someone from a previous mission and got the win too

[radiant ice]

Gahh damn

Live in a real timezone

[acoustic isle]

What is everyone's time zones?

Cuz im local florida man myself

[zinc phoenix]

We’re over in Tennessee rn but I move around a lot

[radiant ice]

GMT here

So 15:22

[tulip kettle]

We're on UCT in the UK rn

Also, me at work rn knowing that they've patched the bug with force GS and I can finally use it again

[radiant ice]

What was the bug?

[quartz barn]

Im just waiting for the weapon custom update so i can edit the fgs

Atleast i have an instant close button atm

[tulip kettle]

It's this dumb audio stutters glitch

[tulip kettle]

I never had it before, got to play with GS for a few hours then hotfix gave me the bug and was unplayable

[ripe obsidian]

EST for now. I would rather be in Europe.

[tulip kettle]

Worst thing it only bugged on force GS and nothing else

[radiant ice]

It is caused by a windows update

Updating to Win10 experimental also fixed it

Unless FS actually fixed it their side already

[tulip kettle]

No it's a very widely reported issue that they fixed today supposedly

[radiant ice]

I know it

[tulip kettle]

In their hotfix

[radiant ice]

It’s also caused by a bricked win10 update

So not FS’s fault this time xD

[tulip kettle]

For me it was only when they did the hotfix

And only on force gsword

So I doubt windows but idk

[radiant ice]

It’s been a weird one, Ubisoft games and games with Denuvo don’t work on the update

And certain games are riddled with new visual/audio bugs

Darktide being of the listed ones

The audio bug vanished for everyone who then updated Windows, myself included

[tulip kettle]

Just, why did it have to be the GS? I'm on win 11 anyway so can't downgrade to win10

[zinc phoenix]

The advantage of refusing to update for forever is never running into this stuff 😂

[radiant ice]

Probably something to do with it being new files

Injected into old Fatshark spaghetti ones

https://tenor.com/view/dean-winchester-supernatural-relatable-relatablemoods-gif-7719768255809338997

The Windows fix fixed Darktide and like 7 other games for me at least

And I gained about 80 fps

For the first time ever Darktide sits at about 210 for me

180 under serious load in a horde and such, with everything on high

Before it sometimes struggled to reach 90 tbf xD

[devout sluice]

Damn

Huge

Blessed is thine machine

Prayer of system degradation works wonders

[haughty star]

It probably just reset your settings in darktide lol

[radiant ice]

It did not affect them, no

I checked

[patent mango]

to be lore accurate darktide only runs smooth with incense burning

[radiant ice]

Believe it or not, I know how to use a PC

[radiant ice]

I need to get myself the red robe to go with it

[celest valve]

hmm is quell speed or warp resistance what you want.

[patent mango]

https://tenor.com/olxoQOCDxOu.gif

[radiant ice]

Either really, I tend to drop Warp Resist

[versed pendant]

make sure to wash your mother board with soap

[devout sluice]

Warp is better since you can give yourself +30% quell speed from talents if you ever feel like it's slow (it isn't)

[radiant ice]

Good to go?

[icy wind]

what staff should i use for hoard clear?

[radiant ice]

Inferno or Trauma

Primarily

[celest valve]

technically all of them can hordeclear very well

[radiant ice]

Was just away to say yeah, all of them can

But those two shine at it

[icy wind]

warp nexus + blazing spirit?

[marble crater]

Not sure I would label EK horde clear as "very well"

[icy wind]

or warp flurry

[marble crater]

For?

[icy wind]

trauma secondary attack

[radiant ice]

The two trauma loadouts are crit based nexus + blazing or non-crit flurry + rending shock

[marble crater]

This then

[celest valve]

left click horde clear is some of the best in the game for EK

(with surge at least)

[icy wind]

what else should I get for left over talent point

I use combat blade and trauma for wep

[marble crater]

I have yet to see that in my games, to be fair

[tribal girder]

flame or rending trauma?

[icy wind]

you mean talent or my staff

[marble crater]

Your staff, which blessings do you use, nexus and blazing or flurry and rending, because you will use different builds depending on that

well, ideally, you can play whatever you want really

[icy wind]

warp nexus and blazing spirit?

[marble crater]

Do you want to keep the bubble and faster brain bursts?

[tribal girder]

these are the meta blessings for trauma, either blazing and nexus, or rending and furry

[icy wind]

yeah

I mean how else i'm gonna snipe elite/special

without brain rupture

[marble crater]

You can still do that with the slower one

or left click

[celest valve]

well i think with quell canceling micro it is actually the best in the game :X i tried it it's uh

kinda silly

[radiant ice]

I mean yeah, cheating is a sure fire way to beat the meta

[celest valve]

psykers should not have an 180 rounds per minute staff

[icy wind]

this is good right

still low lvl perk and blessing bc I just start using it

[tribal girder]

It's good. If you want to run this set up, i recommend putting the last point on the flat 5% crit chance on the right

you have very low crit right now. 5% is a huge boost

[icy wind]

done

[marble crater]

Ah, maybe flurry and rending is better while you level up the staff, because 1 stack of soulblaze is not going to do anything really

[icy wind]

I will have to lvl up masteries abit more then bc rn I don't have it lol

[tribal girder]

If you want to pursue a more optimal setup for blazing, try running scream with creeping flames upgrade instead of dome when you are comfortable. It has better synergy with blaze trauma

[icy wind]

scream?

creeping flames? xD

the ability + upgrade for it?

[tribal girder]

venting screech has an upgrade called creeping flames, it is on the left side of the tree

[celest valve]

it's also afaik basically always superior to the other damage upgrade lol

the 6 stacks becomes better than 200 damage at around 6.12s, or roughly 8 ticks. it has 11 ticks of damage before it starts falling off

so it's at least 269.17 damage, and it CCs so they'll be CCed for most of it

[radiant ice]

@ripe obsidian You around my dude? 😛

[celest valve]

IMO it should be changed to something like "yeet enemies in the direction you're facing"

[jovial gust]

I have some old guns I shed. What should I do with them?

[haughty star]

If you don't have them mastered sacrifice them otherwise just delete them for resources

[jovial gust]

What should I master first?

But the only resource deleting them can give is Ordo Dockets, isn't it?

[marble crater]

Sacrifice the same weapon to the same weapons for more exp and if you have anything leftover then use it for leveling whatever or sell for dockets

[ripe obsidian]

Sorry, things are slightly on fire at work.

Feel free to run a game without me. I'll ping you when I'm free

[jovial gust]

I did not know about that mechanic

[tulip kettle]

I gotta admit now I've started using EK surge nexus crit lmb spam

[radiant ice]

No worries will run one and ping when you want in

[tulip kettle]

I haven't touched blazing trauma and that was pretty much all I liked to use before

Plus it fucks in havoc with the crit ranged immunity, pretty much 100% uptime on ranged immunity

[timber cairn]

Quell speed should not be the dump stat. Warp Resis should be as low as possible, and when it's 500, you should ideally have 80 on everything but warp resist.

[icy wind]

it just what I have

I will find better one later

[lean mural]

there really isn't any point playing psyker in auric mael without a premade, is there

[zinc phoenix]

?

[acoustic isle]

Plenty of reason you just have to play assuming you're alone

[zinc phoenix]

psyker is great pugging

[acoustic isle]

It's why i spec assuming i gotta swap duties lol

And take bubble to babysit

[marble crater]

Why do you say that?

[celest valve]

i mean psyker can probs solo that with like every other class except maybe ogryn(they like team)

[modest perch]

No you actually get stuff from deleting them now

[acoustic isle]

yeah a good while ago they changed it so if it has the colored ratings you start to get resources back from them

[wispy oyster]

empyric shock and warp unbound fix when 😦

[patent mango]

charged strike buff when

[modest perch]

Empyric shock is broken ?

[wispy oyster]

https://tenor.com/view/no-sonny-i-robot-gif-23790834

[wispy oyster]

yes it does not work on flame staff all others it does

so its a waste of a talent point if u use flame staff 😦

[modest perch]

Oh yea that

[wispy oyster]

and warp unbound is just bipolar currently, works when it wants too, hope they fix it soon its bene over a month, stupid delay_explosion_to_finish bs 😦

[lean mural]

the extension of what folks said about having to play like you're alone.

i know it's possible to solo auric maels as psyker but i highly doubt any build can do it and i especially doubt i personally can make it work

i particularly really don't like how defensively running bubble makes me play

[wispy oyster]

who does a premade for auric dam theses days?

[zinc phoenix]

soloing AM isnt needed

[marble crater]

There is a big difference between doing it solo and doing it without a premade

[zinc phoenix]

literally just keep your team alive

[lean mural]

i said the extension of

my god do i have to spell everything out

[wispy oyster]

yes

[marble crater]

Yes, please do

[zinc phoenix]

it'd help if you werent incoherent yes

[lean mural]

[patent mango]

yeah we cast spells here

kinda the point

[lean mural]

alright, for everyone even more autistic than me:

[wispy oyster]

is this the alusive blank psyker, like the intelligent ogryn?

[zinc phoenix]

elusive

[wispy oyster]

i am pretty autistic

[modest perch]

If I didn’t know any better I’d think you were insulting me

[wispy oyster]

im sorry discords spell checker sux

[wispy oyster]

https://tenor.com/view/heresy-detected-gif-25567321

[lean mural]

the extension of having to play like you're alone is that you frequently can't count on your team doing anything in particular. therefore you have to assume you have to do all things. therefore you have to build to do all things.

therefore you can't do any of the things terribly well. therefore it's that much harder to actually solo when you have to, which also isn't never.

[zinc phoenix]

you initially complained about not having premades for AM

[lean mural]

no, no i did not

[zinc phoenix]

now you are complaining about your inability to solo AM

which is the issue

[lean mural]

read what the fuck i wrote will you please?

[zinc phoenix]

no, because its dumb shit

[lean mural]

alright cool i'm blocking your dumb ass

you deliberately misread what i wrote, whine about it, and then refuse to engage with what i actually said, you're clearly just baiting

[zinc phoenix]

either you want to solo or you want to play with a team

pick one

[wispy oyster]

i mean you should just play builds to have fun 🙂 and not worry aboutr having to mother other players 😄

[zinc phoenix]

🤷‍♀️

[lean mural]

u right

but like i also wanna finish missions mang

[patent mango]

outbaited

[marble crater]

Every class should build to be able to do all the things to some extend, you can be very good in horde clear, but you should still have something for big targets and specials, imo.

[zinc phoenix]

if you constantly lose missions maybe check the mirror 🤷‍♀️

[marble crater]

It's not psyker exclusive

[wispy oyster]

i hear you but the mojority of AM will easily be able to clear, just watch out for martyr zealots 😛

[celest valve]

waiting until a streamer does solo havoc 40 :p

[lean mural]

and this is generally how i build them, yeah. it just hits a lot harder when the team isn't actually there as psyker

[zinc phoenix]

thatd be crazy

[wispy oyster]

https://tenor.com/view/cutecore-toll-gif-14989780945369042465

erm thats impossible you need 2 people in a party

[zinc phoenix]

one of the people can commit sudoku at the start

boom, true solo

[celest valve]

also likely possible to just mod that :p

[patent mango]

stealth zealot sprinting through entire mission in 5m

[wispy oyster]

there are mods that you can solo anything aand have noclip just for shits and giggles

[celest valve]

....yes, well, obviously the only 'cheats' would be true solo havok 40 :p

[wispy oyster]

i completed the game before it came out anyway

[lean mural]

are people running 2health/1stam curios on psyker rather than 2toughness/1stam?

[celest valve]

1 health 1 toughness 1 stamina for me :x

[lean mural]

because stam feels mandatory but toughness does not feel like enough even though it works fine for literally every other class

[marble crater]

I guess? Depends on your build, if you play blaze trauma you kind of don't care if you are alone in a horde with ragers and maulers just spam that explosion until everything is dead

[wispy oyster]

x2 t17 tough and 1 3 stam

[marble crater]

I run 2 toughness and 1 stamina for auric

[patent mango]

i just go 3 toughness lol

[reef orchid]

i go all health

[zinc phoenix]

same, no need for stam

[wispy oyster]

sometimes i go x3 wounds

[lean mural]

d'you take souldrinker on blaze trauma

that seems so far out of the way if you still want warp charges, which i do

[patent mango]

fgs puts me at 5 anyways

[reef orchid]

nah its all about the health

[zinc phoenix]

yep

[wispy oyster]

its all about stam movement combat blade all stam perks on alll 3 curios

[marble crater]

I do not, my build is almost the exact same as before the talent tree update

[reef orchid]

cant forget the shouting perk

[wispy oyster]

https://tenor.com/view/elmo-exterminatus-explosion-nuke-40k-gif-22693290

[patent mango]

psyker mandatory talent is unlucky for some

[wispy oyster]

yeah venting shriek

[compact cargo]

"Mandatory crutch"

[lean mural]

you got a gameslantern link for that?

[patent mango]

i dont think i've seen a single person ever use unlucky for some btw

[wispy oyster]

i dont need one i have a staff i use as a walkinmg stick

[patent mango]

maybe if it gave golden toughness it'd be good lmfaoo

[zinc phoenix]

yeah its just obviously bad

have to be in coherency, doesnt give gold

[patent mango]

the on down condition is just silly

[marble crater]

I either use this or wildfire instead of soulstealer, not entirely sure

[wispy oyster]

i use flame sstaff with empryic shock

[echo root]

If you're going for wildfire you should have in fire reborn as well

[reef orchid]

bolt pistol is the best

mix it eithe flamer staff

or shock mual the best weaon

[reef orchid]

got to love the one tap

[patent mango]

havoc 40 build

[zinc phoenix]

lol

[lean mural]

i'm guessing staff is flak/crit%/nexus/blazing, and melee is anything that can fuck up a crusher?

[marble crater]

Probably, maybe. I didn't pay too much attention but it just feels like I have more charges with the 4% node instead of fire reborn. I don't know why

[marble crater]

Yes, dueling sword in my case

[echo root]

You need wildfire and the venting shriek that sets stuff on fire

I just realized

You're using the terrible upgrade for venting shriek, take the soulblaze one

[late sapphire]

this is peak actually

[lean mural]

i love it because it is broken OP but i also am a little bored of it because it is broken OP so i am trying to finagle the bigsword into any build that will have it

[echo root]

The raw damage one has damage falloff

[patent mango]

so peak

[echo root]

it's really bad

[marble crater]

I think you are looking at the wrong picture

[echo root]

Oh you're right

[patent mango]

no no mines the meta one

[echo root]

To me it looks like you picked all the bad stuff on purpose

[marble crater]

Elektro staff with new sword then

[patent mango]

i would never

[lean mural]

tried that, kind of hate it.

unless i should be running it with scrier's.

or unless i should be using LMB spam, which i fucking hate. it's so lame

[celest valve]

this is like the meta ep smyker build but bad

[marble crater]

There are people here who run greatsword with scriers, I'm not one of them though

[lean mural]

i've tried it and i definitely don't hate it

i am gonna miss rending on the trauma staff but i guess blazing is better if i can't assume someone else will be there to take advantage of it

[marble crater]

Seeing a lot of fire is way more satisfying anyway

[zinc phoenix]

i mean obviously i love going wild with the fgs but i am not helping

[lean mural]

u right

[late sapphire]

rending honestly kind of sucks for most weapons anyways

[lean mural]

but it's fantastic on trauma which also knocks shit down where people can abuse the brittleness

assuming they are there to do that

[patent mango]

alright this should be even worse

[marble crater]

https://tenor.com/view/why-michael-scott-the-office-why-are-the-way-that-you-are-gif-5593972

[reef belfry]

is the inferno staff even worth bothering with?

[late sapphire]

It's arguably the strongest weapon in the game

[reef belfry]

damb maybe im just too low for it then ig

[late sapphire]

*Conditions apply

It sucks in low difficulties at low levels and with low stats

[ripe obsidian]

We did the thing

[late sapphire]

But really just imagine there are infinite enemies right in front of you and you hit all of them

[radiant ice]

https://tenor.com/view/tts-beep-mechanicus-gif-19305244

[ripe obsidian]

Happy Skiitari noises, I assume

[radiant ice]

Now all I gotta do is reach Havoc 40! XD

[ripe obsidian]

Havoc 40 is no harder than that, imo

[zinc phoenix]

grats homie!

[late sapphire]

Havoc 40 is just as hard as havoc 35

[marble crater]

Congrats

[radiant ice]

Shame you missed it, we first tried it

[late sapphire]

Unless you get a tox modifier and die

[celest valve]

20 actually I think :x

that's i recall the max size of the array holding the targets

[zinc phoenix]

ive been suck in meetings for hours lol

[radiant ice]

Yes

[ripe obsidian]

Now, which title is more prestigious? Havoc-Forged or True Survivor?

[radiant ice]

Definitely TS

Join one game your 40 friend hosts for HF

[zinc phoenix]

i went with displaying TS

[radiant ice]

TS you gotta pull your weight

[ripe obsidian]

I felt like I was getting carried for a bit in the middle, ha

[late sapphire]

20 is in effect an arbitrarily large number when most weapons hit 1 target

[celest valve]

also void strike questions: at what warp level can you safely fire it

[radiant ice]

Nah not at all, I mildly shat my pantaloons when the final doors opened

But other than that, was pretty smooth all round

[celest valve]

i would say most weapons in fact hit two targets, ranged weapons at least

melee goes up to 3-4 :p

[ripe obsidian]

Yeah, the bomber had a 10/10 throw.

That was almost bad

[lean mural]

this is so 1980-coded

[ripe obsidian]

I made an executive decision to rush through the fire to poke the sniper horde

[celest valve]

srsly tho why are psyker force swords like.. the coolest mastery weapon

[modest patrol]

They truly are beauties

[tall beacon]

Hey guys, which stat on the inferno staff is dump?

[lean mural]

ahem. they are very cool but have you considered that ogryn weapons have red and checker patterns on them and you can have an ogryn that basically looks and sounds like an ork

[late sapphire]

warp resistance

[tall beacon]

it is ALWAYS warp resistance

thanks ❤️

[celest valve]

and then you have this

[tall beacon]

brunt first try 60 warp res

thanks brunt

[modest patrol]

Yessss 💯
I’m running with that right now and feeling like a bamf

[celest valve]

god it's so great

so many details like the red coloration fading to black at the tip

[ripe obsidian]

Sometimes blast radius on Voidstrike

[radiant ice]

Pretty much always blast radius imo

But yeah, Warp Resist on everything else really

Other than specific odd builds

[celest valve]

on some staves it can be quelling apparently :v

[zinc phoenix]

get like 6, theres a lot of good combo

[modest patrol]

Just hit a bunch of infested with Scrier’s gaze on that great sword and then use the charged up attack and chef’s kiss

[celest valve]

wait until you flashbang your team by killing an entire horde of ragers or shotgunners or other specials/elites

could it be

[modest patrol]

It’s a beautiful thing

[celest valve]

COULD IT BE

[ripe obsidian]

@radiant ice oh my lord I just realized I didn't have the CD on crit talent in that game

In my haste to get a build in the last 5 seconds I accidentally took the knockback melee attackers one

[radiant ice]

Clearly your thrown together build in the last 5 seconds is the new meta

[ripe obsidian]

I was wondering why the other zealot's CD was so much lower than mine

[radiant ice]

Knockback op

[modest patrol]

I know with voidblast staff the dump stats are quell and charge rate — I got a glorious one from Brunt last night by chance

And SOMEHOW Melk smiled upon me and had a fully rated Greatsword for me the day they came out.

[radiant ice]

...chargerate?

You mean Warp Resist right?

[lean mural]

i have had good results with charge speed as the dump on an electro staff

i run flurry on it anyway and even without that i'm p. sure it charges fastest

[late sapphire]

He doesn't know

[celest valve]

hmm last one.

[celest valve]

oh uh i guess tbh charge speed might b e free since i use electrostaff as a machine gun

[lean mural]

CDR

[radiant ice]

Always CDR

Get that CDR to 12% on curios asap

[zinc phoenix]

funny how views on cdr curios have changed

[modest patrol]

The speed it charges up your secondary — I’m afk getting a snack so I might be using the wrong term

[marble crater]

You most certainly are, dump stat for voidblast is warp resistance

[celest valve]

hmmm

illisi force sword perks?

[ripe obsidian]

I get more knockback if my book is up more often

[late sapphire]

flakiac

[marble crater]

Flak and maniac yes

[modest patrol]

When I get back to desk I’ll double check

[celest valve]

i guess already halfway to flakiac

[lean mural]

lmao someone else refers to flak/maniac this way

[modest patrol]

(This is what I get for trying to trust my memory)

[lean mural]

do you also say flakapace for flak/cara or is that just me

[marble crater]

You can't send pictures yet

[modest patrol]

But I can type lol