psyker-class

[tacit stump]

thats why i don't like it so much

[patent jacinth]

Just throw your camera up

Fits thematically and makes it easier

[tacit stump]

bonks you with the flat side of the sword

[celest valve]

Yeah, you are basically trying to trace the sword's path through their head.

Also they tend to be good against mutants. Because their head is the middle of the face lol

[tacit stump]

and in general mk 2 feels weird

[patent jacinth]

What

[celest valve]

er middle of the body

[patent jacinth]

Head is in the middle of their face

Huh

[celest valve]

they're weird

their head is weird

ok

[tacit stump]

hunchbacks

[celest valve]

i find that I have trouble hitting their head because of that but uppercuts make it easier. mileage may vary

[tacit stump]

stabs their head with l3

[celest valve]

also small tip specialists if you are near enough to them should simply be meleed and you don't have to be too particular about the melee usually

staff go bonk against a rager

staff go bonk against a doggo

(don't try and kill people with staff bonks plz)

I'm mostly just showing off the 3x melee multiplier a lot of them have :p

hence why a light attack that barely reaches the breakpoint on a horde infested does so much damage

[tacit stump]

what do you think abnout the psyker athaneum guide

[celest valve]

very good! if not quite as well laid out as the veteran guide. and not updated until recently

[tacit stump]

ogryn guide is weird they did it really well

you don't expect it of them

[pulsar hazel]

Yeah I'd say Ogrynomicon > Vet guide > Psyker > Zealots can't even agree on a guide

[celest valve]

anyway. now we get into more ADVANCED STUFF wheeeeeeeeee don't tell agentchaos that mk6 wants to pushblock for optimal horde clear

[clear heath]

zealot will never get a guide

[pulsar hazel]

Zealots are still too busy circlejerking DS4 while being absolutely worthless in Havoc because every horde is scab bruiser reskins

[tacit stump]

i do l1-l2-l3-bc-l1

[strong gulch]

I mean, we can hardly agree on a lot of things.

[pulsar hazel]

The thing is Psykers and most other classes discuss on it instead of throwing shit at each other

[celest valve]

There's a push, and a pushattack. This depends, like light and heavy attacks, on how long you hold the attack button.

[pulsar hazel]

Inch resting

[tacit stump]

avoids push and push attack

[pulsar hazel]

I might hop on it later

[tacit stump]

i normally do push attack but for faster clear i avoid it

[celest valve]

Psyker pushattack on a few of their weapons are spechul. The initial push is very fast, in fact instant. But it deals a very short amount of stagger, which is basically enough to follow up with an attack and nothing else imo.

also this push doesn't use the warp. iunno it's weird

[pulsar hazel]

It's really funny on the FGS because it looks like youre jerking the air. I like to spam it at my Ogryns crotch

Real tech here

[tacit stump]

...

[celest valve]

Then if you hold it... whatever enemy you are looking at will learn why Psyker can literally brawl one on one with naked fists against an ogryn and send them flying.

[pulsar hazel]

I love the two stage push. It's also very high range

You can often interrupt trappers with it

[celest valve]

huh til

[tacit stump]

seas energy ripples

[clear heath]

can also open bulwarks

i think it has to be their first guard break though

[celest valve]

yeah so that trapper is in range of me sending them flying. Interesting.

[pulsar hazel]

Ragers too

[strong gulch]

yes

[pulsar hazel]

Just yoinks Ragers into space

[celest valve]

Also even interrupts crushers

[tacit stump]

force gs push is funny

[celest valve]

ANYWAY

[pulsar hazel]

Im just glad Psyker got a fun strong weapon. Imagine if this thing just had the Rashad moveset

[tacit stump]

sees own fault not utilizing it enough

[celest valve]

For the MK8, you get the stab after you do the full 1 second block. For the mk6... you can do the horizontal sweep attack, their only pure horizontal light attack, immediately after the instant push.

[pulsar hazel]

Now spam it at your Ogryn... go on...

[tacit stump]

i should pushblock mit force weapons

[tacit stump]

karsolas basic

[pulsar hazel]

I didn't know that

[strong gulch]

force sword PA always hits weak spots and can trigger KF

makes accidentally PAing a burster spicy

[pulsar hazel]

Interesting

I will hop on it then

[celest valve]

(ok it's not instant but very fast if you only tap it)

[pulsar hazel]

Yeah it's a few frames

[tacit stump]

force weapon become more intereyting for me

[pulsar hazel]

Speaking of instant that shitty FS Obscurus is one of the few truly instant block weapons and if you sweat the light 1 -> block cancel it almost becomes useable

[celest valve]

You then get access to the only horizontal heavy attack the mk6 has. Which... is ok still slightly diagonal, but way better for horde clear.

[tacit stump]

idk if i preffer mk6 fgs or deimos blazue sword

[celest valve]

This can also be done after three light attacks.

[tacit stump]

i spam 3 diagonals instead

[celest valve]

Yes. B ut you have to push cancel. Instead of L1 L2 L3 H3 forever.

[tacit stump]

block cancel without push

[pulsar hazel]

You can just block tap

[tacit stump]

i call it bc cause block cancel

[pulsar hazel]

Not instant like the goatscurus

[celest valve]

ok yeah you can also tap and that's also almost instant

the push then followup is still a faster way to get into the H3 state tho

[tacit stump]

looks at bret longsword

[languid tusk]

one of two things is going to happen now...

[tacit stump]

stamina break

[pulsar hazel]

You'll mistime one Rager swing, get interrupted and lose half your health

[celest valve]

You can also by the way combo moves. For example, a lot of people using the Mk6 love doing L1 into H2 stab, which is an excellent way of dealing with ragers.

[languid tusk]

oh ye of little faith XD https://streamable.com/4g4wwj

[pulsar hazel]

Paid actors

[tacit stump]

pulls staff out and explode them to bits instead while dodging

[celest valve]

Also I didn't see a lot of people mention this. But you can also do a quick l4 strikedown after H2 then start back over at H1, instead of immediately charging H1.

[marble crater]

Block until high peril and shriek while running away

[pulsar hazel]

leads them to the zealot and runs away

[tacit stump]

i hope we get dual weapons i would like to use a devil claw together with a combat blade

[pulsar hazel]

I want a power dagger

So bad

[tacit stump]

gets illisi blaze dagger instead

[celest valve]

also the new weapons are SPECHUL and also have even more moves. woooo

[pulsar hazel]

Kinda sucks the power dagger is Horus Heresy only for the fucking Alpha Legion

I think I saw models of squats using them too

Necromunda maybe it's been a while

[celest valve]

Wield attack: If you wield and immediately attack, you'll go into a special attack. Which... for light attack is just a l1 more or less from the left. eh.

[tacit stump]

https://dark-heresy-rp.fandom.com/wiki/Chimera_Pistol_Sword

[celest valve]

the heavy attack on the other hand seems to be a left side H1 that chains into the right side h1. neat!

[pulsar hazel]

Would be cute if it was like the grenadiers gauntlet

[tacit stump]

likely more like pistol rapier

from vermintide 2

[pulsar hazel]

I suppose

[celest valve]

Sprint attacks! The sprint light attack is... l2. Doesn't sound too exciting.... until you remember that H3 can only be accessed from l3.

[tacit stump]

which weapon

[celest valve]

mk6 still i'm doing an autistic deep dive on the greatsword soz

[tacit stump]

idk what is better mk 6 or deimos

[celest valve]

interestingly enough, the heavy attack for sprinting is a H1 like the wield attack... that chains into l3. eeentresting

[clear heath]

I like that you can do mk6 stab after the special

sometimes my peril is empty during a boss fight and i want to fill it but i also want to keep stabbing

so i'll just special and stab a couple times

[celest valve]

yeah you can also possibly ermember this because each action state is basically the sword being on the left or right

Also, for both force greatswords, the attack after the special is an attack on par with illisi. Same damage, counts as a warp attack.

Which, because of the stab attack you noted, can be used to instantly kill maulers :3

well sometimes it might need a lil luck

anyway I suspect that the special is not something you should save up normally. And is instead a nice bonus after hordeclearing. For the second horde of eight fucking ragers.

20 kills to get the super 850 damage slash is not terribly hard to get if you're taking out a lane of enemies.

Also, it's a warp attack, and you can use it instantly the moment you're at anything less than 100% peril :3

[hoary badge]

Havoc mods is really messing me Trauma muscle memory up

[clear heath]

yeah, i end up with better results the more frequently i use the special

it's also a really good opener to a havoc trash horde even at 0 charge

[celest valve]

and do you know what it counting as a warp attack meaaaans?

[clear heath]

cause cleaving at havoc is just insanely demanding but the special cleaves infinitely

[celest valve]

hey how would you like +20% damage. To everything. Free. forever

And then take that dumb wrath off and replace it with that +20% strength from unstable power. Because you have WARP JUICE.

[clear heath]

open with a couple specials, end at like 100% peril for warp splitting and everything's softened up to kill to actually start gaining souls

[celest valve]

That +20% damage becomes +40% with warp rider.

Also, it's a warp attack. With Soulstealer? That's your entire toughness bar back even on an uncharged special as long as you hit the melee part of it .

[clear heath]

I think unstable actually multiplies with warp rider

[celest valve]

As a warp attack, as you start cleaving and weaving, you'll also get another +15% warp damage from Perfect Timing, up to +55% now on an attack that By Crack Of Bone lets you spam forever

[clear heath]

iirc power buffs multiply with damage

[celest valve]

oh

yup

cause that's what strength do

[clear heath]

so it'd be like, +44% more damage

[celest valve]

and then you're getting +20% crit chance as you're just hacking and whacking and smacking

And then you're also throwing out assails. Because, did you know, that the greatswords have zero wield time? You can immediately go straight into an attack with them.

[cold hornet]

The only thing more deadly to a psyker than a crusher, is saying thanks

[zinc phoenix]

I keep saying it’s good to spam it and no one believes me 😂 it’s a free stagger on dang near everything + damage + peril

[clear heath]

people complain so much about building souls and worry about wasting them, but they're so easy to build up

[zinc phoenix]

You can snapshot trappers/poxburster through a wall to push em, you can snapshot a trapper when just out of range to prevent the net, you can mix it in in melee to get big stagger and MM charge and peril

flamer stagger while sliding around it to stab it in the back as it shoots fire is another favorite as it stops the fire

I’m constantly using the special and I have a defense dump sword I use that I really like bc more special spam

[celest valve]

now i'm pondering how to have an assail macro

also lol with crack of bone you can literally just special kill special kill special kill

[zinc phoenix]

If u miss an attack in the chain you lose the boost, it’s kinda finicky. I prefer riposte

[clear heath]

yeah you can just use it at 99% peril like an illisi

prefer riposte too

[zinc phoenix]

Oh and crits from the special give you EE so you can also use it to tag a gunner blob while approaching for EE + disrupt all their shooting

[celest valve]

you know what doesn't drop it? switching to assail :v

[zinc phoenix]

🤷‍♀️ I’m pretty sure the crit boost doesn’t carry over from the weapon anymore iirc they fixed all that

[azure karma]

Just played a game with purgatous, with a zealot with flamer

We made damn SURE nobody could see a fucking thing

[celest valve]

no but you can keep your 5 stacks when you melee more

[zinc phoenix]

Unless you miss an attack in the melee chain which can mean any number of things which is why riposte is preferable and less finicky.

[celest valve]

also i love the mastery skin

[zinc phoenix]

I think the basic skin looks classier but it’s one of the better mastery skins

Also don’t sleep on the mk8, I’ve been messing with it and it feels pretty nice too

[celest valve]

honestly i just love how cool the red looks on it with the fading to black at the tip

yeah mk8 is favorite lol

[zinc phoenix]

More work to set up the poke but the horizontals make for very easy headshot street sweeping

[celest valve]

oooh

the sliding 'golf swing combos into an l3 then h3

...also by the way. BE CAREFUL WITH SPECIALS AROUND FLAMERS.

[clear heath]

yeah slide attack is good for starting up horde clear combo

[clear heath]

i actually haven't had it trigger flamer explosions yet

didn't think it happened

Maybe i always just don't hit the pack

[celest valve]

hmm. I think I like the mk6 better as a backup weapon tho.

[clear heath]

I kinda wish the sprint attack was something else

[celest valve]

like what

[clear heath]

if i wanted a combo starter for the horde clear combo, I have tbe slide attack anyways

wish it was a stab

[celest valve]

heavy attack then!

Heavy attack sets up for anti armor as it lets you do two staggering strikedowns then the stab.

which can be followed up by one last l4 strikedown

[clear heath]

See the thing is that's kinda just worse than if sprint attack didn't exist.
Doing a strikedown from neutral gets you a stab right after
Doing a strikedown from sprint requires another strikedown before the stab

which just makes me hate it

the stab does more damage

[celest valve]

they're not strikedowns tho :p

[clear heath]

like why would i want to sprint heavy -> heavy -> stab heavy
when i can heavy -> stab heavy?
the sprint heavy is just making the combo worse. I'm encouraged to not do it

[celest valve]

hmmm. It's difficult but you can do a dodge to the side, slide, mmediatr slide attack.

[clear heath]

yeah slide attack is fine

[celest valve]

god that's cool

[clear heath]

i'm saying that the sprint attack should be something that i'd want to do

[celest valve]

back slide too

[clear heath]

but instead it's just kinda a penalty

meanwhile zealot relic sword actually want to start their sprint attack stab

[tacit stump]

how good is 60% damage on inferno and what think you about penetrating flame

and what is better quietude or warp expenditure

[clear heath]

quietude

also would rather dump warp res

penetrating flame is fine
Biggest blessing priority for inferno is blaze away, and then the second one can be either penetrating flame or warp nexus

[celest valve]

would it be rude to rub it in the faces of zealots that psykers can attack constantly in ac ross shape

[tacit stump]

?

ac ross shape?

[celest valve]

l1 h2 l1 h2 l1 h2

[tacit stump]

which gs mark

[celest valve]

mk10

wait it actually is l3 huuuuh

[clear heath]

one of the zealot gs has a fully horizontal combo

yeah that

[tacit stump]

i love the mk 10

[celest valve]

oooh also i forgot you can light attack stab after the pushattack

[midnight cove]

am I trolling if I don't play flesh tearer on combat blade?

I wanna farm weakspot kills not bleed kills 😔

[tacit stump]

i think i use uncanny strike with ripost

[midnight cove]

yeah I was thinking that or riposte precog

[tacit stump]

riposte was crit chance

to lazy to up alll chars arsenals

[midnight cove]

I have carapace+crit chance rn, kinda like the crit to proc mettle more even though it already has a ton of crit

[radiant frigate]

imo yes (or lacerate) but i am also not a knife enjoyer

[celest valve]

i like knife because

speeeeeeeed

[clear heath]

lacerate cringe

[tacit stump]

throws duelling sword at you

[clear heath]

imagine intentionally missing weakspots on a finesse weapon

[midnight cove]

I just wanna farm more weakspot kills for "by crack of bone" and precog (scriers version)

but maybe redundant

flesh tearer does add a ton of damage but it also steals alot of kills I imagine

maybe that's just my imagination though

[clear heath]

i think flesh tearer with scriers would be pretty funny
but yeah you're probably better off without it

[radiant frigate]

i would recommend blade of dueling instead

[tacit stump]

deimos?

[radiant frigate]

deimos good too

[midnight cove]

I really really like combat blade just to run at disrupt destiny targets like a maniac

you're so dam fast

[tacit stump]

i gonna use mostly deimos or mk6 fgs on psyker as meele weapons

[radiant frigate]

ds can do that too just a little less fast

[midnight cove]

yeah I know

[urban geyser]

the full speed sprint while heavy attacking is very fun

[midnight cove]

but I've played so much ds4, a little knife here and there is fun

[tacit stump]

uses mostly ds 4 on vet

[radiant frigate]

sounds like it's time to go big

[tacit stump]

psyker has force weapons, zealot has rgs and th

[urban geyser]

hellbore melee >>>> ds

[tacit stump]

vet has only ps

powers sword is fun but so much special spam

charge 1-2-3 and repeat

[urban geyser]

I have yet to try the power sword

[tacit stump]

i recommend you one thing get as fast as possible power cycler

power sword mandatory thing

[near wyvern]

The best part of helbore melee is it staggers ragers

[tacit stump]

annoyed at illisi and power sword only one attack per charge up

[urban geyser]

best part is the bayonet charging can’t you hold it indefinitely

[clear heath]

helbore melee dps is wild

[tacit stump]

get medium or light, heavy is well ... bad when it comes to meele

[near wyvern]

Combat blade 6 my beloved though

Push attack spam too good with KD

[upper sun]

i still remember levelling vet none of my melees did any damage except helbore melee

apparently it didnt scale with stats

the assail of vet

[urban geyser]

hellbore probably my favourite vet weapon

[tacit stump]

runs plasma and powersword instead

hellbore is to slow swap speed for my taste

[urban geyser]

why would you need to swap

you have your melee AND ranged

the bayonet poke is superior to all things

[radiant frigate]

stab stab stab stab stab stab sta-

helbore havoc meta when?

[clear heath]

my friend does bring helbore to havoc

coincidentally, he also got the highest melee damage last game

wonder how that happened

[radiant frigate]

one word

stab

[urban geyser]

I bring whatever the hell I have fun with into the hardest missions and it typically goes well

[celest valve]

what do you mean, it's instant swap speed to your bayonet and back

[marble crater]

I love the teamwork needed for havoc where one person can't just kill everything alone and carry
Don't like the party finder stuff though

[radiant frigate]

i sure hope there's nothing around this corner that will instantly kill me!

the nefarious scab shooter:

[tacit stump]

crusher overhead through croner

[tacit stump]

i mean shooting special kill

[zinc phoenix]

I think it’s been overemphasized to the point of comedy

The teamwork

While I agree I prefer it to tagging along behind some sweat lord zealot who murders everything before I can see it it’s not very fun as a gameplay experience either

[azure karma]

Which mk chainsword is best for crushers and which blessings?

[zinc phoenix]

What is viable playstyle wise keeps shrinking until it’s just the most boring options

Like it’s no shock that almost every psyker I see in the mid 30s is running the incredibly boring combo of bubble, purgatus and warp charges with maybe the variation of trauma instead of purgatus

[marble crater]

I'm not at that point yet, highest I did was 23 and I just enjoy that people are more aware of what they have to do in order to complete the mission. Also almost no leavers

[zinc phoenix]

I can see it being fun in the same way a wow raid is fun

But like, I’d rather kill myself than play wow raids 😂

And I’ve felt that way since before EverQuest 😂

[azure karma]

Purgatous bubble is meta?

[zinc phoenix]

In mid 30s havoc and higher yeah

[azure karma]

I thought the real cringe was smite psyker lmao

[marble crater]

Maybe I just enjoy the better teammates that can't solo the mission without the others anyway

[zinc phoenix]

It’s just massively easier than everything else while solving the major tactical problems

[zinc phoenix]

Smite is strong, smytkers are usually morons

Because palpatine brain rot

[azure karma]

I know people that just leave whenever they see a smite psyker bruh

[zinc phoenix]

“Smite solves all the hard tactical problems I have faced therefore I shall apply it to all tactical problems! Wait why have I learned nothing about gameplay!”

[marble crater]

[azure karma]

Like God damn my boy, can a brother just shoot some lightning without the hoes up my ass

[zinc phoenix]

Goes down to a single Nurglite Booty Inspector

[zinc phoenix]

See that’s the kind of person nobody wants to play with because it’s just dead weight on a team

[azure karma]

I started playing scriers purgo today and I'm doing better than I ever have with purg before

How is it dead weight

I rarely play smite

[zinc phoenix]

The attitude of “I want to shoot pox walkers with lightning” leads to the outcome that the player spends most of the match dead or uselessly smiting pox walkers

[azure karma]

But when I do, I don't want a bunch of dickheads being toxic about it

[zinc phoenix]

Which makes them useless dead weight that other players don’t want to carry around

[azure karma]

So it's impossible to be good at the game while playing smite huh

[zinc phoenix]

It’s just improbable that a psyker with no evidence of skill with smite on their bar is going to be useful

It’s not impossible

But it is improbable

And enough negative experiences lead to generalization

Hence a serious dislike of smytkers among the community at large

[azure karma]

See, the complaints I've been seeing is "smite trivializes the game"

[carmine basin]

Let them leave, if they wanna baby about it, youre better off without them.

[steel flame]

Ya know havoc is fun and all but all the instakill bs is reminiscent to the "hard" twins fight, as in it's just annoying bs rather than hard

[carmine basin]

I really like having a smytker around, the lockdown saved my butt more than a few times.

[azure karma]

That's what I'm saying

[zinc phoenix]

It emphasizes the rhythm parts of the game over the movement parts of the game so I agree completely

It’s generally more efficient to kill a thing rather than tase

And psyker has many many tools to efficiently kill many things simultaneously

[azure karma]

??? The tase kills everything though?

[zinc phoenix]

Ok, you do what you want friend

I can see this conversation will go nowhere

[carmine basin]

It takes a while to kill stuff with taser, I always felt the stun was the bigger point

[azure karma]

I've killed crushers with the tase dude idk what you're on about

[zinc phoenix]

Indeed you do not

[steel flame]

IF you pair it with fire shout. But it also hits a sort of wall in kill time when it runs into mobian armor

[azure karma]

Fire shout and EP, kills anything around

[mental rock]

soulblaze does pitiful damage to carapace, same with smite

[azure karma]

Wish I had more loadout slots

[steel flame]

You end up having to backpedal alot more in havoc with smite than in auric, and you don't have the same kind of uptime by the same virtue. Smite/fire shout is a massive source of damage but it has a lot of trouble killing mobian armor so you get a lot less quelling from kill talents and less empowered stack Regen, meaning you have to stop smiting alot more to quell which can lead you to being overwhelmed

You also get less elites you can melt than auric so you also have less ult uptime too

It can still be a decent cc tool but it can't win the game byitself like in auric

[azure karma]

What if you have 4 smite psykers

[steel flame]

It should be able to work, in theory

Long as you have the damage to kill captains

And bosses

And you don't get caught out by gunners

[mental rock]

boss damage would be the main weakness yeah

[steel flame]

You could take 4 laspistols and dueling sabers/greatswords

Laspistols will melt the monstrosities like butter

Then wack the captains to death with the bonk sticks

[marble crater]

So a boss and captain just spawn together all the time huh?

[steel flame]

Not always

It just happens to happen alot

But they can spawn separately

[upper sun]

a boss spawns and we die

[zinc phoenix]

Pretty much always

Also the boss spawns in havoc seem to be triggered by walking through a particular spot

And not at all random

Which is super boring and repetitive

[vernal temple]

had that happen yesterday while clearing havoc 26. a captain and a chaos spawn

miraculously we survived that and cleared the level

[radiant frigate]

what about boss + captain incidents

[zinc phoenix]

Room trigger

[radiant frigate]

same trigger?

[zinc phoenix]

It’s so obvious in carnival I have the spots memorized

[summer prairie]

too bad it doesn't feel like the havoc modifier makes the captain's ranged attacks worse

[hard dragon]

Did malleus monstronum last night :>

[marble crater]

Didn't notice that yet, maybe because I barely have 12 or so havoc missions

[patent mango]

boss/captain seem to spawn in diff spots

so if u go back when boss spawns captain will only spawn later lol

unless they both come from same room then guh (happens sometimes)

[zinc phoenix]

It’s set by the level designer so some rooms will trigger boss, some captain, some both. Sometimes they even set it to a particular boss being higher likelihood so you’ll see a lot of places where you almost always get a bon

[marble crater]

Chaos spawns near a lot of ledges

[summer prairie]

the captain spawns are on a random progression trigger, no idea about whether there are only some allowed spawn points besides that

[flat shadow]

I had a room give two chaos spawns and a captain and a horde

There was a demonhost in the same room that my teammate woke up

[raw token]

what do people here think of tanner lindberg

[summer prairie]

no one cares

[raw token]

i just mean is he right or wrong

[flat shadow]

I don't like their attitude

[summer prairie]

he's a random person, why does anyone have to have an opinion

[raw token]

opinion on whether his videos contain good info

[mossy oyster]

inb4 its a tanner alt probing to see if people hate him

[marble crater]

[steel flame]

Oh yes we definitely need more shotgun captain one shots from 2 miles out

[flat shadow]

I watched one and he started bashing stuff immediately so I turned it off

So I don't know

[quartz barn]

i mean the captains are weak

[flat shadow]

Reminded me of that time fat shark linked a YouTube video on the launcher and the YouTuber opened up by saying fat shark is stupid

[quartz barn]

you atleast have to dodge the plague ogryn

[raw token]

lol i never saw that

[flat shadow]

You have to dodge captain like twice

[steel flame]

Dunno, if he wasn't bent on being entirely insufferable we might find out

[quartz barn]

or you just stand there and stunlock him by breaking his shield

knockback doesnt do anything either

[flat shadow]

Idk on train it will certainly send you skidding off the train

[mossy oyster]

bad news even people who sat through an entire insufferable video, he has insufferable takes lmfao

and usually any attempt to discuss/explain it resorts to him pulling the "im better than you at x y z" card and usual toxic manchild stupid shit

(even though theres multiple players better than him and around his "level") lmfao

[quartz barn]

eh just stick to this chat

[vivid merlin]

can purgatus disrupt destiny?

[mossy oyster]

it wouldnt be getting use out of the weakspot benefits it has, but other than that

ye

[upper sun]

youll just get damage, and critical damage and no weakspot

critical damage prolly only on lmb too

[dark coral]

I got the lightning and personally I think its awesome. How are the other two options?

[upper sun]

they let you kill stuff

[mossy oyster]

brain burst is cool and good for elite/special sniping, and assail shits on most things that dont have carapace armor/isnt a bulwark

oh that means new ragers are probably hell for assail spammers huh

(if their carapace body actually stops assail like its supposed to)

[dark coral]

stun em all, party kills em quick, bursts aura, rinse, repeat

plus the armor regen for generating and quelling is pristine

you just... dont go down

[upper sun]

im not a big fan of the kill this for me playstyle

had to do it for havoc

[steel flame]

Nah, scab ragers didn't get a buff to their stagger resist, assail still fucks em over

[upper sun]

but other blitzes are more fun

[mossy oyster]

mains shieldgryn

[upper sun]

shield does damage

[broken carbon]

deimos

[upper sun]

no

wrong

[broken carbon]

you have a deimos

[upper sun]

thats a shield not a deimos

wrong

[mossy oyster]

erm so does smite use venting shriek 🤓

[upper sun]

YOURE WRONG

[mossy oyster]

weird

also I guess its their body thats carapace anyway

not doing much for their head

[dark coral]

YOU'RE*

LOL

[upper sun]

🙄

[dark coral]

🤣

[steel flame]

Gottem

[quartz barn]

what clearance is that even

doesnt look too bad

[haughty star]

Assail staggers them too and actually kills them quick. Smite can be good but you gotta use it in conjunction with creeping flames or with the empowered psyonics keystone

[zinc phoenix]

Hammer ones can OHK if you don’t dodge the overhead

Sword ones 😂

[quartz barn]

and?

thats any mauler / crusher

[zinc phoenix]

Yes

While the sword guys are bruiser tier

[quartz barn]

also ngl sword one is somehow harder because everyone greeds lmao

[dark coral]

the wha...

[zinc phoenix]

The hammer ones also push you around with their standard attacks

[patent mango]

warhammer is biased....

[zinc phoenix]

I had one push me into a flamer fire near instant death

[quartz barn]

ngl i dont even know what their regular attack even looks like

[zinc phoenix]

Rare but it can happen

[dark coral]

trophy for killing a total of 40k enemies...

[quartz barn]

all i see is overhead, knee or shield blast

[mossy oyster]

if you get OHK by a crusher captain

idk what to say that overhead is quite slow

[zinc phoenix]

I only see it when horde + bon on 30s havoc bc most of team has to focus on other stuff

[mossy oyster]

dying to that can only be a result of being greedy to kill the captain

[zinc phoenix]

When it’s just Captain they melt

[haughty star]

Lately the crushers have been doing that heelspin again so side dodging is tougher on them, almost always gotta ensure you got a free ass space behind you

[radiant frigate]

do it be deflecting...

[zinc phoenix]

You guys always forget everything is easy 1v1 and difficulty comes from complexity scaling thru mass

[haughty star]

Empowered psyonics? The middle purple thing

[quartz barn]

i mean

[haughty star]

And creeping flames is a augment to venting shriek

[quartz barn]

captain's difficulty in hordes is that their shield soaks attacks

so if another enemy is inside or behind him you cant hit them at all

[zinc phoenix]

When I’m dealing with bon, specials, rager herd, crusher herd, horde, captain is a lot to handle

[mossy oyster]

the nefarious flamer or trapper

[zinc phoenix]

Across enough games a mistake is inevitable

[mossy oyster]

inside the dirty bubble

[radiant frigate]

when the captain is alone he just gets bullied

[lone ravine]

My own nefarious purgatus staff

[radiant frigate]

bonk bonk bonk bonk bonk

to the floor

bonk bonk bonk bonk bonk

[quartz barn]

i ran into the glubby + captain combo 3? times now and its really not that bad

[radiant frigate]

had cspawn captain today

it was not ideal

[quartz barn]

if on top of eachother melt the glubby

just keep him in a bubble

[zinc phoenix]

That one sucks if it’s hammer captain, you get so much shoving

Esp on a bridge or smth with a lot of ledge 😩

[quartz barn]

if seperate have one person bait the captain, or just solo him

[lone ravine]

Ngl most of my times fighting monstrosity + cap we had no horde spawn at the time so they were so ez

[haughty star]

Literally nothing angers me more than a trap through a dense horde

[lone ravine]

Because you just focus monstrosity first

[zinc phoenix]

Yeah always preferable

I tend to ask team to wait for a horde and only then move up for boss trigger as that trivializes it

It’s the “everything all at once” factor that can make them genuinely dangerous

And if you have a positioning error at that time 😓

[haughty star]

Is this from vt2?

[patent mango]

weaves

[lone ravine]

At least if you fail a mission once you know exactly where those boss spawns will be

Then you can wait for horde then go in to trigger boss

[mossy oyster]

unironically

this is what havoc has taught people the most I think

that positioning is king

if people didnt have that mentality while doing AMs

I hope Havoc made them have it

[lone ravine]

Teammates actually sticking together and positioning???

[mossy oyster]

not even

[zinc phoenix]

it’s the only thing that ever matters, nobody cared in AM but it sure is forced into the brain of every player now

[mossy oyster]

just being aware of the position of enemies/your team/ and most importantly you

i remember someone asking top 3 tips for a new player and I always put positioning in 3rd

position of 1. your team 2. the enemies and most important of all 3. you

if you cant juggle that you will suffer on higher diffs

no one wants to rescue someone 300 feet behind and no one wants to be the guy 300 feet behind

[lone ravine]

I remember the stupidest vet I ever had on havoc

[zinc phoenix]

I always ping spam the fallback spot because whenever it doesn’t get spammed someone is distracted and doesn’t notice and gets eaten

Sometimes that person is me 😂

[mossy oyster]

ive made myself be the bubble counter ranged wizard guy

for 4 stack in havocs

[zinc phoenix]

I think we all have 😭 it’s so boring

[mossy oyster]

and I usually spam ping the bubble spot or where I wanna fallback to

[lone ravine]

We said don’t go forward to trigger bosses only to watch him run forward, trigger the boss, and as soon as he turns around like 7 gunners that were in cover pop out and obliterate him

[mossy oyster]

not when you come off like

2 months of playing gunker

and get to be a space wizard again

no ammo is cheating

[zinc phoenix]

Hah fair enough

[lone ravine]

The vent speed nerf barely affects purgatus lmao

[zinc phoenix]

For me I’ve been playing void gaze meleeker which I loved and now I’m being shoved into burgatus bubble which I hate

[mossy oyster]

im enjoying FGS/Voidstrike/Bubble/DD

[lone ravine]

I am now forced to be at where my peril buffs me the most

[mossy oyster]

im the squishiest bunker ever

but its fun

[quartz barn]

basically what i run but with good ol ds

[mossy oyster]

I let my zealots DS4

I just use FGS for everything else

[quartz barn]

i just use void for everything

[mossy oyster]

fair enough FGS and Void can fill that same "niche"

[quartz barn]

ds for monstrosities and movement

[mossy oyster]

except void can surge bowl 3 crushers and an FGS has to actually melee

lmao

[quartz barn]

combined with the speedboost from dd you can easily rush sections

[zinc phoenix]

I take a deflector + stam + block eff deimos so I can be literally unkillable

[mossy oyster]

the wall

the wall

it will never fall

[zinc phoenix]

And just hold right click when purg isn’t needed

[quartz barn]

helps when you have sections where person forwards = no enemy spawns in the back

[zinc phoenix]

It’s so boring but guarantees I’m alive which guarantees the team wins 😞

BC infinity cleave + bubble means I only need one other person to keep my ass clear for us to keep going and get the rescue

Assuming anyone dies which is so rare with choir + bubble

It’s just the single most boring shit in the game tho so I am pretty tired of it all in all

[marble crater]

Because shooters and gunners are so strong it's basically mandatory, otherwise you just die

[radiant frigate]

havoc is extremely silly

bubble -> flamerize things
new bubble -> advance, flamerize, repeat

no bubble? Death

[steel flame]

And bullshit on the floor you aren't looking at. (cough cough karnak twins cough)

[patent mango]

i miss karnak hard mode

[raw token]

where can i see all the havoc penances?

[zinc phoenix]

Missions

[lone ravine]

Very bottom of missions tab

[steel flame]

It's still there, please by all means beat your face with their grenades

[radiant frigate]

oh no i stood in green stuff that is everywhere

Death

[steel flame]

Yeah....

[raw token]

thanks

[patent mango]

https://tenor.com/view/breakfast-rain-world-meme-bomb-grenade-gif-8716282115220841947

[radiant frigate]

weaves also had a modifier like this

something something enemies drop a patch of thorns on death (it hurts)

[steel flame]

Get picked up in horde, die to covid before you get control of character

[patent mango]

every lobby i go theres a cleansing relic zealot built in

[radiant frigate]

not same

sometimes it is a charge tdr zealot

(they die)

[patent mango]

probably

[radiant frigate]

havoc feels too much like an mmo methinks

[zinc phoenix]

I went afk mid mission to talk to my wife with one toe in green goo, came back to 1hp and all purple with team losing mind 😂

[radiant frigate]

close formation enforced under threat of death

[radiant frigate]

super absorbent feet

you would be safer drinking the stuff than standing in it

[steel flame]

I'm already missing Gunner stunlock

[zinc phoenix]

I don’t mind high gunner damage but they shouldn’t be able to shoot at you through other units

[radiant frigate]

can we learn to levitate to avoid the floor

[steel flame]

Getting sniped by gunners you can't see before you realize they are even shooting really does things to a person

[radiant frigate]

it's also funny how shooters in havoc are audibly firing faster

what are they feeding those guns

[zinc phoenix]

Well tbh I’d actually be ok with them shooting me thru hordes if their bullets killed the stuff between me and the shooter

[lone ravine]

Their guns are all now belt fed

[zinc phoenix]

They really ought to have a max ammo load also

[lone ravine]

I need this mechanic from ratling gunners back

[radiant frigate]

"to you, it is a high priority target, to me, it is free waveclear"

same for bombers

[patent mango]

if they wanted gunner copium just add a ranged boss or smth

[haughty star]

Bombers do actually hurt the horde

[radiant frigate]

full auto scab captain..

[lone ravine]

Barely though lmao

[zinc phoenix]

Like idc how many nurgle roids you are on soldiers have limited capacity to carry spare clips without webbing or packs

[lone ravine]

Why does it feel like flames from enemies barley hurt horde anymore

[steel flame]

It doesn't help that the sound channels have practically just given up at this point and it's a 25/75 that you will even hear startup, attack, or special sounds period

[radiant frigate]

not the toxybois though

[lone ravine]

Literally just airborne drugs

[radiant frigate]

i'm of the firm opinion that air shouldn't be bright green

[zinc phoenix]

I hear something like 95%, no mods. Theres always a stealth guy every mission tho

[lone ravine]

Well the nurgle followers would gladly take it up with their grandfather if only you sold your soul to them :)

[zinc phoenix]

I will usually get got by the stealth guy 😂

[radiant frigate]

the dastardly silent crusher overhead

splat

[lone ravine]

Also I don’t get why one of my scab captains just fucked off from me

Like he popped up out of nowhere while I was in a separate room looting

[zinc phoenix]

In a havoc 8 you can shrug it off 😂

[lone ravine]

Then he just leaves

And we didn’t find him til like 10 minutes later

[steel flame]

I haven't heard the poxburster ticking sound in 2 weeks

[lone ravine]

I just heard the captains constantly saying seven

[marble crater]

Place wall on the floor when?

[radiant frigate]

bubble to cleanse floor when?

[lone ravine]

Learn from tzeentch and get his hoverboards

[radiant frigate]

make bad stuff go away

[radiant frigate]

last i checked those are daemons, don't think the inquisition would like that very much

[lone ravine]

I mean you’re already on deaths row so uhhhh

[radiant frigate]

do i hear a "fuck it, we ball"?

[lone ravine]

Yes, fuck it we ball

[radiant frigate]

FUCK IT
WE BALL

[lone ravine]

Bouta start skateboarding through hordes with a charged up power sword

Cleave all of them into two

[cosmic sigil]

Sadly it's like almost no one knows that. Always rushing ahead.

[zinc phoenix]

You can already buy a hoverboard or a jet pack today, right now

Idk why people in the 40th millennium wouldn’t have that tech

[radiant frigate]

yeah but is it a flying daemon squashed into the shape of a disc?

[lone ravine]

Forgotten tech lmao

Outlawed just like heelies

[radiant frigate]

tech-heresy

[zinc phoenix]

“We can’t make power tools or strap fans to surfboards because unknown technology”

[lone ravine]

Where’s my power steel chair

[cosmic sigil]

STC hoverboard when

[lone ravine]

I need it to absolutely crush their morale

[zinc phoenix]

It’d be funny if we could get power wheelchairs

Special attack makes you ram the heretics with your mobility scooter

[lone ravine]

If it breaks you transfer to a scooter

Special attack is just shattering their ankles or shin

[radiant frigate]

https://tenor.com/view/fiyuu-race-no-legs-wheelchair-gif-16930716

just run the heretics over with this one

[zinc phoenix]

The emprah might protect but his insurance sure won’t

[radiant frigate]

https://tenor.com/view/stunts-flip-down-the-vert-vert-ramp-back-flip-gif-16073924

[mossy oyster]

in a cosmic sorta way if you think about it, dreadnaughts are the emperors strongest wheel chairs

🤫

[radiant frigate]

the imperium doesn't want you to know this

[mossy oyster]

I will die shortly

[unkempt patio]

they're more akin to coffins

[lone ravine]

Istg if at least one dreadnaught doesn’t blast the coffin dance song while slaying heretics

[young bear]

Humans have hoverboards in 40k

[zinc phoenix]

Imagine building a massive set of armored shoulders but completely forgetting to armor your center of mass 😂

And then strapping a dangling tank tread to your neck for the optimal combination of unnecessary weight and constantly swinging inconvenience

All of these things die to a single anti material rifle without any chance of reply 😂

“Gee I wish I had strapped a scope to my gun when I cut my hand off to screw it on”

“Also wish I had worked out how to clean, load and clear jams!”

[young bear]

It's Necromunda, all those chaps die to small arms fire without any chance of reply

[last kayak]

Man.

[dark coral]

damn

[steel flame]

YOU'LL NEVER BE FREE OF THE NEW MASTERY DOT, NEVER! AHAHAHAHAHA EEEEEEEEEEVVVVVVVILL

IT SHALL HAUNT YOU TILL THE END OF DAYS

[last kayak]

https://tenor.com/view/signalis-signalis-game-gif-5833267168442234351

[near wyvern]

Yeah welcome to end game.

Try not to lose your mind

[unkempt patio]

I've had a cosmetic dot for ages, no idea what it's tied to

it's an extra feature at this point

[steel flame]

Emotes 🙂

Emotes we are only allowed to use in a lifeless hub full of strangers and not in the actual missions when they would be funny

[shrewd tangle]

Hey y’all, quick question,
I’m trying to rank up all the staves rn and with Mastery XP, how does it work?

Do I have to actively get kills with the weapon? Or if I purely were to just Assail and melee the whole run does the weapon still get xp?

[upper sun]

@marble crater hi

[unkempt patio]

you just have to have it equipped, pretty sure it's tied to the mission xp

whatever 2 weapons you got

[shrewd tangle]

So it’s equal? I can never read the endscreen in time to check 😭

That’s cool if so

[unkempt patio]

idk if it's equal tbh but I leveled most of the guns on my zealot without ever using them

[steel flame]

They couldnt even be bothered to make dukane her own party hub where we could use emotes and instead just gave her a 15$ lemonade stand next to the elevator

[shrewd tangle]

Okay cool

I just love the higher difficulties and can’t play the lower ones anymore 😭

[unkempt patio]

the problem with the lower difficulties is the players you queue with, dear god

I just started leveling psyker yesterday and I felt like I was playing solo the entire time

[shrewd tangle]

Not even tbh, I get my fun out of this game by trying to be able to solo!

[unkempt patio]

every time a trapper or ledge got me it was an automatic wipe like wtf

[shrewd tangle]

You should be able to carry a game by yourself

That’s my goal

I just can’t stand the lack of enemies

Sub 1000 kill games suck

I NEED MORE

[unkempt patio]

idk I feel like unless you're really locked in you occasionally die, shouldn't be automatic wipe though, my gf comes in and expects me to listen to her while I'm balls deep in a horde

[shrewd tangle]

ngl I’m a bubble psyker

I love instant defense

It helps with pubs

You can control fights without saying anything

And then assail gunners

[unkempt patio]

that's like 15+, I struggled levels like 1-8 with pubs as psyker

[celest valve]

ok brunt now you're just being an ass

[shrewd tangle]

Oh yeah leveling the class is a diff story 😭

Once your 30 it’s amazing

[unkempt patio]

leveling psyker yesterday is one of the most rage inducing experiences I've had in a while, especially with all the new players rn

[celest valve]

sorry i might have been a bad ogryn in one of your games

[unkempt patio]

it's ok I was a bad psyker in all of them

now that I got sword relatively leveled and bubble I'm already really enjoying it

[shrewd tangle]

I’ve faced tanked 3 demon hosts in one night of playing 😭 idk why low level people look at them and instantly hit them AND QUIT

People don’t appreciate the fast respawn time in this game

[unkempt patio]

what's the dump stat on most staves? Warp resistance?

[shrewd tangle]

Yep

At least for me it is

Peril me up

[celest valve]

peril is a bonus, it's not a penalty

i say as i use ER so that I can spam LMB on electrostaff.

[red bluff]

will stacking damage resistance perks (i.e. 5% gunner) on curios stack percentages, or do you get diminishing returns?

[celest valve]

ok electrostaff lmb build is silly

[celest valve]

Damage resistance will always reduce the exact amount of damage it says from what you are currently taking.

It is multiplicative however to avoid 100% damage resistance.

[red bluff]

sorry, i'm a cro magnon with poor mathematical understanding. i'll rephrase: will 3 20% DR perks add to 60%, or will the percentages undermine each other?

guess there's a reason i got laid off from the bank.

[thorn cedar]

diminishing returns

[celest valve]

(not actually diminishing)

The percentages will not undermine each other. Think of it like this:

One curio, you have 20% damage resistance. You are taking 80% of normal damage.

Two curio, you add 20% damage resistance. The 80% of damage you are taking is reduced by 20%, you are now taking 64% of normal damage. Or exactly 20% less damage compared to one curio.

Three curio, another 20% damage resistance. You reduce the damage you take by another 20%, and are now taking 51.2% of normal damage.

(or 48.8% damage resistance)

[radiant frigate]

it's just not increasing returns

[celest valve]

ye

increases your HP and toughness by 95.3% basically

[radiant frigate]

take one, 20%
if additive the 2nd curio would be a 25% reduction in relation to the first, and the 3rd would be 33%

but it is just 20/20/20

[red bluff]

understood, thanks

[unkempt patio]

do most psykers run 2 toughness or 2 health

[prime elk]

health until 200, rest into toughness (non-havoc)

[halcyon gust]

Why 200 HP?

[sinful peak]

how's this for havoc (fgs and voidstrike)

[celest valve]

okay. i need to tweak a electrostaff lmb build

ER is cool and great with warp charges but also warp charges makes me play somewhat bad if I try to keep them to much

also i do not have time for assail lol

[prime elk]

i run something pretty similar. if you're doing voidstrike, you can prob drop PC

[marble crater]

Hi

[sinful peak]

and replace with what

[prime elk]

can't go wrong with 15 toughness, esp at higher havoc

though you prob wouldn't run voidstrike at high havoc anyway

[celest valve]

hmmm. illissi is probs the fastest hordeclear regular force sword right

[sinful peak]

what's a high havoc build

[prime elk]

what you have would work

but from what i've seen people primarily run trauma

[upper sun]

nothing i saw you were in game and wondered if you wanted to queue up

[marble crater]

I was busy failing in havoc, now I'm failing to rejoin because of errors I can after dinner later

[upper sun]

im not sure i have some stuff to do

[vapid sparrow]

my inferno staff deals so little damage 😔

[olive ember]

eh? But does it beat the hsword

[celest valve]

the wha

[prime elk]

prob not, heavysword has brutmentum after all

but tbf he was talking about 1h force swords

[celest valve]

well the heavy sword can't soulfire

or deflect

[broken carbon]

chainswords would probably beat out for horde clear

especially on a DD SG build

[prime elk]

perhaps but tbh if i'm going to run a non-FS horde clear melee, i'd just do rashad

[celest valve]

hmm.

[prime elk]

not worth

[broken carbon]

much worse than the other option u have available

and now with warp unbound

its basically just useless

[celest valve]

lessee, lmb left click on disrupt destiny maybe. perfectionism maybe? because i will be able to attack a lot of targets.

[analog agate]

Anyone wanna carry me on a havoc 40?

[celest valve]

uhhhhhhhhhhh

[analog agate]

Anyone here besides Agent ahve 40 unlocked? haha

[quartz barn]

i know ainz does

[broken carbon]

youd get more damage out of precognition

[quartz barn]

im not sure if agent can even host

[analog agate]

Oh, was he not the host?

[celest valve]

oh i was planning on going something other than scrier's gaze. like venting shriek

[broken carbon]

ohg

if u meant for a different build

then idk

i thought you were talking about that node for a LMB build

[celest valve]

look i'm trying to have a infinite lmb electrostaff build :v

[broken carbon]

warp unbound

10 seconds of max peril casting

i think its 10 seconds

might be less

[prime elk]

yeah it's 10 seconds

[red lily]

on running FGS what do y'all think on running wrath vs murderous tranquility

Specifically while running scrier's gaze

like more cleave damage sounds awesome but also building more scier stacks and I suck at numbers

[broken carbon]

wrath is better for higher level havocs, and murderous tranquility isnt really needed if you take by crack of bone

[haughty star]

Sword feels like shit without wrath

Wrath is the mandatory one, the other blessing is pretty much whatever you want

[broken carbon]

in high havocs??

[celest valve]

it's not

[broken carbon]

or just in general

[celest valve]

get high peril

[broken carbon]

you dont even need high peril

lmfao

[haughty star]

Just in general

[haughty star]

Unstable makes like 0 difference for the most part to this sword

[broken carbon]

no

warp splitting

[broken carbon]

its default cleave is fine

[haughty star]

Yeah that's not most people's take on it

[broken carbon]

i’m gonna check how much cleave it’s got rq

but i’ve not had any issues with its cleave

and i run precog riposte

with warp splitting

[hollow current]

some quick non scientific testing in the psyk felt like unstable made it a 10% damage buff at max which was eh

[celest valve]

i found the counter to smite builds

[haughty star]

Warp splitting is fine but if you're running bcob it's rarely ever procced

[celest valve]

daemonhosts

[haughty star]

It used to be where surge and smite wouldn't arc to a deamonhost

[broken carbon]

6 cleave on mk8 lights

is plenty by default

er

7 i think

[haughty star]

7 is alot for some weapons but with the range on the fgs it's wasteful to be capped at that imo

Its a difference you can legit feel

[broken carbon]

yeah but you’re only dealing minimal damage to your like

4th target and onwards

the stagger is nice but i dont think jts enough to stagger elites

[haughty star]

I think it's mostly because of its super wide damage arc. 7 cleave doesn't feel like alot and the more shit you can get out of your face the better for psyker imo. But yeah most people are just straight recommending wrath and whatever here

[broken carbon]

and chaff are easily staggered with just a push

and elites that’d eat ur cleave up should really just be sniped out with a heavy

[broken carbon]

maybe it’s my zealot main experience but i think the cleave is fine on non havoc

[thin finch]

More cleave is good but bfgs works very well without wrath so eh

I do take it for warp fire tho

[celest valve]

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2917274959 from this with LMB electrostaff, and combat blade or dueling sword

oh no i'm going to suffer for this build aren't i

[haughty star]

With wrath you can kinda just munch through them. The heavies take a long time to transition on the greatsword as well, feels really bad when you're munching through hordes and one shit gunner makes you transition your combos. The sword literally doesn't need any additional damage blessings as it already two taps crushers with dd and scrier's up and I don't think with any blessings it can do it in one. I guess on non scriers applications the damage blessings would probably be more crucial tho

[prime elk]

more damage always gooder

[haughty star]

Not when it does literally nothing lol

[hearty dagger]

i run fgs6 and i don't really feel like i lack cleave

[prime elk]

are you forgetting mixed hordes are a thing

even normal hordes

[broken carbon]

oh you’re talking about mk6

i’m talking about the mk8

[prime elk]

also unstable power gives strength, not damage

[haughty star]

Yes we know lol

[prime elk]

so in other words, extra cleave, extra stagger

[haughty star]

Oh I don't fuck with that turd

[prime elk]

so no, it doesn't do "literally nothing"

[prime elk]

https://tenor.com/view/riddler-paul-dano-new-rockstars-thumbnail-does-he-know-he-doesnt-know-gif-27552850

[haughty star]

And is rarely procced to a meaningful level with bcob and not worth proccing intentionally over just running scriers more

[prime elk]

What’s bcob again

[broken carbon]

its actually only like 1.2 extra cleave

[prime elk]

And wdym this is all in addition to SG

[haughty star]

By crack of bone

[broken carbon]

its not a lot tbf

[haughty star]

I was gonna say lol

[broken carbon]

by crack of bone

[prime elk]

True, but it’s not the only thing you’re getting

[broken carbon]

weakspot quell

[prime elk]

The extra cleave is just the neat little bow

On top of the stagger and damage

[haughty star]

Its basically nothing for something with a swing like the fgs

[prime elk]

Maybe use the right mark

[celest valve]

i mean if you're not sitting at 100% peril you're basically giving up like... +68% damage?

[broken carbon]

mk8 is much better than the mk6 imo

[hearty dagger]

Do the marks have different cleave ratings?

[patent mango]

mk6 is so jolly

[hearty dagger]

agreed

[prime elk]

BCOB not an issue with peril edging

[hearty dagger]

mk6 is wahoonation approved

[broken carbon]

probably

[haughty star]

Mk6 is a much faster elite muncher

[broken carbon]

looping ovehead heavies

[prime elk]

Not really

[hearty dagger]

Honestly what i wonder is

Who the fuck though the FGS mk6 looked like a falchion

[patent mango]

i enjoy mk2 relic mk6 fgs

[hearty dagger]

"Sometimes called a force falchion"
WHOM

[haughty star]

Easier transition into heavies is what does it for me

[patent mango]

lmao

give it an actual falchion skin

[haughty star]

The mk8s real damage doer is locked behind a force push, mk6s executor is locked behind a h1

[patent mango]

hsword but actually good on psyker

[broken carbon]

if u mean stab heavies, the mk8 does enough damage on the overheads to kill most non ogryn elites in one shot

[haughty star]

I mean so does the overheads on the 6

[hearty dagger]

Ngl, the difference between the overhead/stab is smth i don't really mind or care since you do have the swap-to-weapon double overhead combo

[prime elk]

You don’t even need force push to bring out overhead heavies on mk8

[broken carbon]

yeah so it’s kind of an irrelevant difference

[hearty dagger]

Plus i do tend to switch to Bolt Pistol

[broken carbon]

talking about the stab

oh wait

i see what u mean

nvm

[hearty dagger]

So i like the MK6 for the sole purpose of preferring stab to be in combo over locked behind force push

[patent mango]

mk8 feels kinda spammy idk

[hearty dagger]

Since it feels easier to snipe weakpoints with while kiting

[broken carbon]

both do

[wary flame]

Chat, what do we think the strongest blitz for psyker is atm?

[haughty star]

Yeah mk8 is more like the "illisi" and mk6 reminds me of a obscurus or deimos

[patent mango]

idk mk6 has 2 diff heavies and sillier lights

[hearty dagger]

General purpose, Assail

But smite is good as well because it's insurance against the director

[haughty star]

I mean technically its smite

[patent mango]

smite is good as well for cdr

psykinetics is probably half the reason to use smite

[wary flame]

https://tenor.com/view/writethatdown-gif-5313946

[hearty dagger]

Honestly Assail wins over Smite through voice lines alone

[patent mango]

https://tenor.com/view/writethatdown-gif-5313946

[wary flame]

Oh dang it

[haughty star]

Smite is much stronger all around than the others especially when coupled with ep

[hearty dagger]

Yeah but EP basically means your build is designated smiter

[wary flame]

EP?

[hearty dagger]

empowered psionics

[patent mango]

eepy

[marble crater]

Assail means no Psy Aura, how can it be the strongest

[patent mango]

voicelines

[marble crater]

Fair

[celest valve]

well uhhh smite can kill infinite targets with no danger

[hearty dagger]

"Targets Marked. Executing." is so much better than "Your punishment was long overdue!"

[celest valve]

sooooooo

[hearty dagger]

So can assail if you're not bad at the game :/

[patent mango]

smite's biggest problem is that its incredibly forgettable

[hearty dagger]

Nah

[patent mango]

i have it and just dont use it for entire missions lmfao

[hearty dagger]

Smite's biggest problem is it basically removes the chaotic melee from the game

Which i love

[patent mango]

true

[wary flame]

Also, I keep reaching 100% peril when using smite and I never explode. Is this intended or is it random chance and I’m just very lucky?

[hearty dagger]

Intended.

[patent mango]

kinda wish smite had like charges or something

[hearty dagger]

You should let go at like 90 though to stagger the guys you were smiting

[patent mango]

but did more

[haughty star]

Its not about being bad at the game or not lol as a blitz smite is just incredibly overtuned. Man asked a question and I answered lol

[wary flame]

I do! I just go a little too hard in the paint sometimes

[haughty star]

I normally use assail or bb myself

[hearty dagger]

Yes but i don't like smite so i will talk shit about it whenever i can

[celest valve]

assail cannot match smite. because smite is. uh. Assail is better with minimal investment yes but

[haughty star]

But bb just as a placeholder for kinetic flayer like a true chad

[celest valve]

this is broken

[marble crater]

Basically you don't explode if you cast something and it brings you to 100%, mostly if you cast at 100% or 97% for brain burst

[hearty dagger]

Is it incredibly useful? Yes. Are randoqueue smitekers some of the dumbest people you will ever run into? Also yes.

[patent mango]

how did they manage to make smite weak, op and incredibly boring at the same time

[wary flame]

[hearty dagger]

Honestly, considering Psyker was Pskyer: Psykinetic at launch

[haughty star]

Ep smiters that know how to survive and use their build are fun and funny to have around imo

[hearty dagger]

I wish we had a blitz that let us just hurl an enemy at another enemy

[celest valve]

if you play it right, it removes the weak part

[wary flame]

Oh, also, what difference does charging up my smite actually do?

[hearty dagger]

Not really

[marble crater]

More targets and spreads faster

[hearty dagger]

Most of the time those missions are just "oh cool. I don't get to do anything." until monstrosity spawns

[celest valve]

3 initial targets instead of 1, also when you release it it yeets

well

left click does too but

[wary flame]

[haughty star]

Smiteker moves incredibly slow lol

Moves past them

[celest valve]

they do not.

(if played right)

[marble crater]

No charge for quick stagger or stun of a dog, trapper etc. Charge for holding down everything in the area you don't like

[hearty dagger]

I'm at 39/40 on Shocking Stuff because of a smiteker.

I will never forgive smitekers.

[marble crater]

Unlucky

[muted grove]

im using this build https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9bbecaec-aadf-4a9f-b9c1-fca8d922a87b/aqshy-psyker-brain-rupture-venting-shriek-warp-siphon-auric-ready

but im so trash at surviving, snipers are especially difficult for me tbh, any playstyle advice for better survivability?

[wary flame]

I quite enjoy smiting the enemies while my team either guns them down or beats them to death

[celest valve]

if you have trouble with snipers, you likely do nto understand basic game fundamentals(of dodging)

[hearty dagger]

For some reason smite tends to turn off my teammates' brain.

I will smite the 3 ragers that are wailing on the zealot

And he will then immediately fuck off to the other side of the map

[split lance]

Penetrating flame does nothing on purg

It’s actually far less damage than blaze away

[marble crater]

Because he assumes you will kill them

[pseudo eagle]

Anyone have a smite build?

[patent mango]

all this talk about smite made me rember i hadnt tried charged strike with fgs yet

its so bad lmao i forgor

[wary flame]

This tbh. I play with my buddies and we have comms, so when I start smiting something I just say “kill” and they kill, but sometimes they’ll be like “you saved my life!” And leave me to fend for myself

[split lance]

Wait. This build is actually hot garbage

Do not use

[muted grove]

tell me more

[celest valve]

well the ep smite build does not need people to kill for them because 300 DPS smite

[wary flame]

Oh my

[marble crater]

That's how I would change it

[gentle vapor]

is https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9ba81400-4c60-4362-9756-f93428dfc021/azyr-psyker-smite-venting-shriek-empowered-psionics-auric-ready a good smite build?

also hi i've been playing 3 days

[haughty star]

Just run this with a ek with nexus and flurry on it and laugh as you suck the fun out of the game for everyone else

[celest valve]

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2917274959 i linked to this here :p

[split lance]

Run blaze away and nexus on purg.

[celest valve]

i mean no flurry, surge. this isn't the best cause i need warp resistance 60 instead i think

[wary flame]

Well I kinda don’t wanna do that ☹️

[muted grove]

sorry to burden you with my ignorance but whats purg

[split lance]

Why surge on ek?

[split lance]

Inferno staff

[haughty star]

You're psyker, it's your duty

[muted grove]

hell yeah

[celest valve]

https://tenor.com/bNbZZ.gif

[split lance]

Names got changed recently. My b

[celest valve]

because HEAVY MACHINE GUN

[split lance]

Left click spam is WACK

Don’t argue. You’ll just be wrong

[celest valve]

electrostaff doesn't need the quell spam trick

[haughty star]

Peak psyker gameplay

[patent mango]

by this point just add bolt staff from v2

[haughty star]

Quell cancel macro is the goat

[split lance]

Quell cancelling is the sign of needing to shower

[celest valve]

i had a build that with max warp charges had like basically less than 2% peril per bolt

[split lance]

Making it a macro

[celest valve]

also no you don't need to quell cancel for electrostaff

[split lance]

Is like. Needing a shower nurse to bathe you bc your too big

[split lance]

It does make it faster

But either way

Lmb1 surge

Wack

[celest valve]

M1 press, 15ms delay, M1 release, 10ms delay, quell press, 30ms delay, quell release

[split lance]

I don’t get how ppl think it’s better

[haughty star]

Ear rape at its finest

I did one with a warp unbound dd build the other day and it was fucking outrageous lol

Not the most practical ever but it was fun and funny