psyker-class

[celest valve]

the strikedowns

cause i think the damage is the same type

[ripe obsidian]

I do use bubble. Currently trying to figure out if I like bubble/purg or bubble/trauma better. I feel more effective with trauma.

But sometimes the bubble drops faster than I expected or I get snuck up on without a bubble ready

[flint dock]

In havoc every shooter is a mauler and gunner/shotgunner is a crusher

They just don't look like it

[nocturne dust]

yes, the strikedowns of the mk8 are weaker

[ripe obsidian]

I don't honestly know if I like it. It can get kinda frustrating to just die instantly off of one mistake.

Or just bad luck

[nocturne dust]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1046914150363844779/1313803542196391936/elmopsyker.gif

[flint dock]

A fraction of me wanted to see what if they added Emperor's Fading Light 1 to ranged Maelstrom

[nocturne dust]

There's a reason the meta is spam gold toughness and bubble

[flint dock]

Would be hell

[ripe obsidian]

Inb4 8 gunners kill your bubble in 0.4 seconds

[nocturne dust]

bubble is invulnerable after every hit for a set duration

I think it's 6 seconds at minimum? Don't quote me on that

[ripe obsidian]

I am exaggerating for effect

:(

[tacit stump]

i like by mk6 direct heavy access and by horde i do l1->l2->l3->bc->l1

[nocturne dust]

Here is me sloppily spamming lights on mk6 with reckless abandon and only getting hit once because I was too dumb to dodge that final attack... on a Havoc staff build with 0 investment in melee.
https://youtu.be/bhl4ugXoQN0

I even position poorly

What's a combo anyway

[flint dock]

Combos are unreliable. Embrace light spamming

[celest valve]

oh i'm sorry did you have fucking space available my bad yeah it's easy then :v

also game with mk6 it went... ok. also they still have the golf swing so i'm happy

FORE

https://tenor.com/bTVuK.gif

also i figured out why i figured the strikedowns on mk6 do less damage: because theyre not strikedowns :D

[azure karma]

Purg is blaze away and nexus right

[urban sandal]

yeah

[celest valve]

they're uh.

stabs.

which are not strikedowns.

(and in fact do more damage with precision i feel like)

anyway i suspect that the strikedowns DO actually do the same damage. and. the game. lies to you

[nocturne dust]

if you don't have space, that's a positioning issue

[celest valve]

(ok not actually)

[nocturne dust]

I have literally never not had space on Psyker

(okay that's a lie, but against horde it isn't)

[wide lodge]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1046913589614747719/1315163441186471997/crumple.gif

[celest valve]

then you have not delved deep into the sauce of mk8

[nocturne dust]

mk8 sounds like a bad weapon if you can't have space with it

[compact cargo]

name checks out

[celest valve]

you will have space

you are clearing the space

for you are lawnmower

[wide lodge]

haha

[nocturne dust]

they don't?

wtf you mean

mk6 heavies, which are strikedowns, do more than mk8 heavies (after the weird first one), which are also strikedowns

They are labelled as such in the UI

[celest valve]

1167 strikedown 1958 stab(honestly i'm in part curious if they are different what in the code makes that so)

mk8 stab attack: 2322

[nocturne dust]

Those are buffed numbers

[celest valve]

strikedown: 1167

[nocturne dust]

extremely buffed number

the mk8 push stab only does a couple hundred more than the mk6 stab at base iirc

so if you're comparing that specific attack, sure, it's more damage

but the mk8's push stab is not very spammable and has other issues

[celest valve]

yeah strikedowns for both do consistently 1167 damage on the head unyielding

[nocturne dust]

[celest valve]

would you like me to try on a different target c:

[nocturne dust]

I tested on carapace

[celest valve]

875 mk8

1382 stab

875 mk6

[nocturne dust]

[celest valve]

1175 stab c:

sorry, mk6 doing more damage with the proper strikedowns and stabs is factually incorrect

light attacks mk6: 389 389 497 810(again on unyielding, reaper is a big tough man with an exposed nipple and lots of HP for testing)

light attacks mk8: 389 389 497 497

[leaden osprey]

Does anyone know if the special attack from the blaze force great sword is considered a ranged or mele

[celest valve]

against flak head: 259 259 330 300 for mk8

[nocturne dust]

speed

[celest valve]

neither.

[leaden osprey]

Alright thanks

[celest valve]

actually

technically melee but it ignores everything

actually hmmm i wionder

ok 10% crit chance for scrier's gaze

warprider plz leave

[plucky flax]

I'm a rookie for playing with my bistol
https://www.reddit.com/r/DarkTide/comments/1h9crcs/psyker_with_a_dakka/

[nocturne dust]

Yes

[celest valve]

ok so against unarmored: consistently 100 damage

[plucky flax]

Pls ban all guns from psyker

[onyx sentinel]

the fgs fucks

[plucky flax]

No more rookies

[celest valve]

huh. 115 vs.... ooooh, stat buffs. from the weapon. ok

[nocturne dust]

The reason the mk6 "does more damage" is because the stab is easily repeatable in a heavy chain. In fact, it's 1/2 of the chain.

[celest valve]

ok i can't really weakshot with the wave I guess

[nocturne dust]

no you can't

[onyx sentinel]

now if they only change the sprinting heavy to the stab like the relic sword, that'd be great thanks

[plucky flax]

That would actually be so sick

[celest valve]

what kind of spaghetti fucking ass coding aaaaaa

Mettle: Does not apply to wave crits.

[nocturne dust]

Nah, I'd rather the relic swords get a sprinting overhead if they were better than their current state

[celest valve]

malefic momentum: does apply to the wave.

Perfect Timing: Also stacks. For EVERY. TARGET. HIT.

[wind spruce]

Which half of it

[plucky flax]

Sprint heavy on mk6 is an overhead. I think on mk8 is a vanguard attack?

[nocturne dust]

yes

[wind spruce]

Or both halves

[celest valve]

i honestly do not know how to tell but prbos the warp one but i can test?

[wind spruce]

Wdym? Just hit stuff with non-warp or warp then test the damage

[celest valve]

looks like warp

i tested by zapping people with a staff to get the buff then kill someone with the wave :p

the buff stacked, it's warp

[summer prairie]

the wave is just warp rupture

[wind spruce]

But that means it's the melee half that affected it

[clear heath]

just did 33

[summer prairie]

you've been tricked into using warp rupture

[clear heath]

stressful as fuck run

fuck blight

[celest valve]

and the melee hit is just illisi

[plucky flax]

Yay

[clear heath]

I'm so glad i convinced the zealot to switch to support build for second attempt

[plucky flax]

Choir boi

[nocturne dust]

https://tenor.com/view/spongebob-mad-meme-plague-he-poisoned-water-supply-burnt-our-crops-and-deliver-gif-10420279

[wind spruce]

It's so fucking lame that the meta is choir

[nocturne dust]

[wind spruce]

Remove gold toughness

[clear heath]

the zealot died at the last event and it was fucking terrifying

[plucky flax]

Choir boi is actually so easy to play too. Just press f xd

[nocturne dust]

It's so fucking lame that the meta was damage

[celest valve]

ok empathic evasion also works on the wave.

[wind spruce]

Both are lame

[wind spruce]

And the meta was anything goes bc it doesn't matter

[nocturne dust]

that's still true

just git gud

[clear heath]

the meta used to be scoreboard chasing
now it's just getting through the mission

[wind spruce]

Fk

[plucky flax]

Ooof

[split lance]

WRONG

[clear heath]

idc if the zealot does half of anyone's damage
I appreciate him more than anyone

[split lance]

im still scoreboard chasing

[split lance]

its more upsetting when its 1/3rd of the kills

[nocturne dust]

[plucky flax]

It's more about killing the right targets with your role.

[celest valve]

88 carapace damage at high peril with rending, and

lol i found out you can easily use electrostaff to get warp

[nocturne dust]

You better appreciate me while I do nothing but press F

[plucky flax]

Mfw the vet in high havoc shoot horde instead of shooters

[celest valve]

and it looks hilarious

[split lance]

[split lance]

i do

make purple health go

away

[celest valve]

ok

[nocturne dust]

https://tenor.com/view/ive-been-shot-through-the-heart-kevin-gates-satellites-song-ive-been-hurt-they-hurt-me-gif-22599234

[celest valve]

rending at high peril: does literally nothing as far as i can tell.

zero

zilch

[nocturne dust]

https://tenor.com/view/youre-to-blame-blaming-jon-bon-jovi-bon-jovi-1986in-music-gif-22122912

[plucky flax]

No but for maelstrom it's still better than er

When burga

[celest valve]

> literally nothing is better

[plucky flax]

Wish I could save that point tho

[celest valve]

lol

[nocturne dust]

PotS is broken

That's known

[celest valve]

yeah i just wanted to confirm it while TESTING

[nocturne dust]

only on purg tho

and ER is meta on purg in Havoc cuz you run shield

[celest valve]

you mean the flamethrower staff?

[nocturne dust]

ye

[celest valve]

i mean you do have that

[split lance]

i needa try purg again

ive only ran it once i think

[nocturne dust]

souldrinker kinda sucks

[celest valve]

your face kinda sucks :c

[plucky flax]

If you take souldrinker you have some odd problem

[celest valve]

hmm

does the UI bug happen with perfectionism btw

[spring geyser]

So the new greatsword is fucking marvelous with Gaze and Destiny. Felt like a garbage disposal for nurglites.

[celest valve]

i want 5% crit

[nocturne dust]

https://tenor.com/view/weird-make-face-ugly-smiling-awkward-smirk-gif-16662503

[plucky flax]

Okay fair.

[nocturne dust]

I run souldrinker on my FGS build

[plucky flax]

This is maybe why you're not top 1%

[split lance]

what do i have to do to be top 1%

[nocturne dust]

[celest valve]

wait lol

ok i see why it sucks

[plucky flax]

Be as good as me (veri noob)

[nocturne dust]

I was top 1% the moment I didn't die in auric

[celest valve]

"wait they died to soulblaze why didn't it refres- oooooooh."

[plucky flax]

Now you get it

Icd sucks

[nocturne dust]

ICD worships nurgle and should be purged

[split lance]

wat do

whats ICD

[plucky flax]

Internal cooldown

[celest valve]

replace it with a talent that gives you +20% attack speed but you get 10% peril on every attack c:

[plucky flax]

Stuff has to be expired rather than reset timer

[celest valve]

i'm not entirely sure it's technically icd, more uh... it can't reapply it i g uess? but i haven't looked at it

[nocturne dust]

me getting genshin flashbacks

[celest valve]

oh

[plucky flax]

Stick with the team don't be selfish in war

[nocturne dust]

https://tenor.com/view/war-flashback-meme-gif-11373632052098267276

[celest valve]

ALSO i am pretty sure I know how the sword decay works. maybe. probably. (testing and timing it would be nice because i'm bad at timing)

[split lance]

@nocturne dust have i been sticking with team?

[nocturne dust]

no

[summer prairie]

-1 essence every 8.5s

[split lance]

is this being selfish?

[nocturne dust]

[celest valve]

ya

[split lance]

void says i stole warpfire

but i didnt

[celest valve]

that's basically it and afaik some melee damage at all resets it :v

[nocturne dust]

no

That's Atlas

[celest valve]

or not

hmm

[nocturne dust]

Turn on your coherency efficiency

I dare you

[plucky flax]

2 1 Mil how long was game?

[nocturne dust]

40 minutes

[celest valve]

ok nope

[plucky flax]

21st moebian I have to guess

[split lance]

oops

[nocturne dust]

yep

[celest valve]

you actually have to earn energy in order to actually stop the decay

that kinda sucks

[split lance]

it was absolutely awful

[split lance]

where do i turn it on

lol

[plucky flax]

Choir boi zealot?

[nocturne dust]

scoreboard mod options

[celest valve]

...although also I think the greatsword is good even without the special so uhhhh

[nocturne dust]

me

I'm maddy-the-mad

[plucky flax]

Some zealots run tdr with choir it's such a waste

[nocturne dust]

I kept DCing tho

[plucky flax]

That 20% damage for the team is crazy

[nocturne dust]

yeh

[split lance]

if i turn it on rn will it show up on the scoreboard

[ocean cipher]

whats the easiest way to get the 7 enemies off a ledge penance? its the only thing i need to get the really cool psyker hood

[plucky flax]

Nothing is touching you during chant anyway. Tdr is absolutely unneeded

[celest valve]

i think the basic enemies give exactly 0.5 essence each

[clear heath]

yeah that's pretty much a dead point

[nocturne dust]

no, it only changes new matches

[plucky flax]

Aye when you can give the psyker 20% more range and soulblaze damage

[urban sandal]

at the end of hab dreyko when going up the ramp that loops around to the valk there’s a hole in the roof that hordes start pouring through when someone reaches it, wait there for a bunch to drop and shriek them off the edge

[celest valve]

ya. Exactly 0.5 essence per basic unarmored attacker.

[plucky flax]

I actually enjoy playing choir boi in havoc it's so chill. No expectations to do damage just press f and hit monsters and armoured

Relaxing gaming

[nocturne dust]

yeh, I like it

[celest valve]

lokos like 0.5 from the infested too

[nocturne dust]

Let other people do the work

[ocean cipher]

remind me which one is hab dreyko

[clear heath]

I switch to chorus if we're down to 1 attempt, or if it's pox gas

[urban sandal]

the one with the blighted tree as the final event

[plucky flax]

Zealot seems to be the easiest class for havoc so there's so many of them in lfg

[urban sandal]

and the crazy getaway

[ocean cipher]

ah damn, i dont havy any available rn

[nocturne dust]

I don't want to endure multiple attempts

Havoc takes so long already

[ocean cipher]

i have FIVE carnivals rn

but no hab dreyko

[nocturne dust]

I wonder how many of them are choir bois

[ocean cipher]

welp, time to see if i can handle heremal

[split lance]

i hope to god

[plucky flax]

All xd

[split lance]

we dont have another 40min mission

i will lose my mind

ill just get up and leave

[celest valve]

oh wait nm you need 10 essence for each pip don't you, and a human sized enemy is 1 essence

[nocturne dust]

the monkey's paw curls

[ocean cipher]

what builds work best with choir?

its a really fun ability

[nocturne dust]

We will now have 60 minute missions thanks to Tren

[ocean cipher]

reminds me i also really wanna do a commisar vet soon

[celest valve]

gunners are 2 essence

[plucky flax]

I'd play right side throwing knife then corruption aura choir then piety team buff. Use ds4 and flamer

[ocean cipher]

whats ds4

[plucky flax]

I'll post you my havoc 35+ zealot build

The op toothpick

[silent socket]

Is it bad if I listen to "Interdimensional Cha-Cha" Whenever I play psyker?

[nocturne dust]

For Havoc I use flame grenades, thammer, and flamer

[celest valve]

maulers are ALSO 2 essence. i feel cheated

[nocturne dust]

Throwing knives are so frustrating when they just get eaten by ever enemy

[split lance]

Are u using thammer?

i thought u were using maul

[nocturne dust]

Yeh, thammer

damage is low in scab captains tho

[split lance]

lemme see it

i wanna try zealot

[celest valve]

crusher is 4 essence(why am i doing this help), same with bulwarks

guess how much reapers are worth 😄

[plucky flax]

Ds4 with uncanny and something (riposte/shred). Flamer with blaze away and ammo on crit

Spam f and chant

[split lance]

Ima try it

what curios

[celest valve]

every specialist is 2 essence

[plucky flax]

Whatever you need. For havoc I go 2 toughness 1 hp. Cdr on all 3 sub perks

[nocturne dust]

I use overpressure

[plucky flax]

That's fine but everlasting flame I think it's called is meta

[clear heath]

Lately I've been realizing that 0 charge FGS can actually be pretty useful

[plucky flax]

I'm actually lvl 700+ zealot

[clear heath]

Starting the fight with a couple is pretty good just to have an infinite cleave swing, if you hit with the blade itself

[celest valve]

also huh if stabs would be bad damage because you can't hit a weakspot, you can heavy light heavy light for a chain of strikedowns

[nocturne dust]

It just eats more ammo tho, no?

[mental grail]

warp res is still dump on purga right

[split lance]

whats the dump on ds4

[plucky flax]

Yeah and you flame for longer

[celest valve]

it is almost always defenses if they have it, otherwise mobility

[split lance]

whats the dump on flamer

[nocturne dust]

but they already have max stacks by the time I reload 🤷‍♂️

[plucky flax]

Mobility or cleave don't matter. I do mobility since its already pretty fast

[celest valve]

hmm

[clear heath]

cleave damage

cleave damage does like nothing

[celest valve]

apparently i chose mobility tho

[clear heath]

damage

[plucky flax]

Okay and they keep streaming in through a choke point. I mean I explain to you and you give shrug so I won't bother. Like I said you run overpressure

When there's a reason all zealots doing 40 run the ammo on crit

[nocturne dust]

Popularity is not a good reason 🤷‍♂️

[split lance]

whats flamer dump

plsm

[plucky flax]

You keep using overpressure my fren

[azure karma]

Blaze away on purgatous doesn't require me to max charge the staff?

[clear heath]

dump damage on the flamer

[plucky flax]

Mobility

[nocturne dust]

[split lance]

ty

[nocturne dust]

[clear heath]

damage on flamer does basically nothing

[nocturne dust]

No

[celest valve]

damage on flamer affects the damage rampup

[nocturne dust]

Not this logic again

[celest valve]

and how fast it ramps up

[plucky flax]

When I play choir bitch boi and I still pull 800k damage

[nocturne dust]

Nope

[plucky flax]

[nocturne dust]

Yeah but I just don't pull 800k with other good players so 🤷‍♂️

I'm too weak

and non-aggressive

[plucky flax]

Start using better set up maybe

[nocturne dust]

But I literally have used the 'max meta' setups 😭

[plucky flax]

[celest valve]

i am granted unsure exactly how much damage it causes, because obviously fire damage tends to be most of it :x

hmmm

are there rending sources for the zealot

[nocturne dust]

I'm just not aggressive enough to play the scoreboard game. I'm normally the last one standing though

[split lance]

idk how to say without sounding mean so i dont mean it like that. but you play like ur scared

[nocturne dust]

And who dies many, many, many times in our missions?

Dying is scary. So I should be scared.

[devout sluice]

Bruh

[clear heath]

I haven't seen any evidence burn intensity does anything and 1 extra damage per tick is nothing

[split lance]

id rather die in a blaze of glory

than die in shame and fear

[clear heath]

Does anyone know what burn intensity does?

[nocturne dust]

This is why we'll never get True Survivor

[summer prairie]

I imagine it's the same as purg

[celest valve]

yes. it's how fast it ramps up damage I'm pretty sure

[summer prairie]

how frequently direct damage can hit the same target

[split lance]

is that the havoc 35 no downs

thatll be easy

we just have to get to 35 first

[nocturne dust]

Literally we can't go between two respawn points without you or Atlas exploding.

[split lance]

what perks for ds4 on zealot

unyeilding flak?

[nocturne dust]

I use unyielding and carapace iirc

[split lance]

hey i exploded A LOT less than he did

[nocturne dust]

Doesn't really need flak cuz it kills them anyway

[plucky flax]

Carapace unyielding for havoc for me

[celest valve]

ok so the crusher is easy to test this on it looks like

[plucky flax]

Crushers are extra tanky and zealots job is to kill monsters

[celest valve]

right but fire tends to ramp up to the point where it's difficult to see the rampup effect of damage

[summer prairie]

what rampup

[clear heath]

Wouldn't that be this instead?

[celest valve]

No. That's on a different timer than the flamer damage.

[summer prairie]

that's how frequently a burn stack can be applied to the same target

the other is essentially the same but for direct damage

[celest valve]

ya

[clear heath]

what rampup are you even talking about then?

[summer prairie]

there's no rampup

[clear heath]

Only thing that ramps up is the damage from burn, which is just from applying stacks

[celest valve]

ok, then flamethrower a crusher for a bit.

on my tests the flame capped at max stats at around 15

[summer prairie]

you see bigger damage stacks sometimes because direct damage lines up with burn

[nocturne dust]

I can't aim at monster heads which is why I crutch on thammer 😔

[plucky flax]

I was talking about ds4 perk

[split lance]

is way to use zealot just, kill monsters, flame thrower, repeat

[celest valve]

i've seen the direct. code. for how this applies.

[summer prairie]

yes we know burn stacks go up

[celest valve]

While you are shooting a flamethrower, there are TWO TIMERS.

[summer prairie]

yes

[mental grail]

is cara useful on purg now that scab ragers count?

[summer prairie]

but that's not a rampup

[plucky flax]

Hit random chaffs in horde for more cdr and spam your choir. Focus on elites during mixed horde and fight / dance with monster

[nocturne dust]

no

for some reason they still count as flak for purg alone

[mental grail]

are you fucking kidding me lmao

alr

so what do I put now lmao

5% crit chance?

[plucky flax]

Flak unyielding

[celest valve]

Timer 1: Each time this timer ticks down(and when you stop attacking), a burn stack is added. This is what the burn stat affects. I believe for this check, an enemy only needs to be within the cone of fire at some point when the script checked for targets.

[clear heath]

He's right, it does ramp up

Recording footage now

[summer prairie]

ok but the timer is still related to when it can apply more damage

[celest valve]

Timer 2: Each time this timer ticks down(determined by burning intensity), a check is done. This check basically is to see if an enemy target has been aimed at for 34% or more of the interval's duration.

[summer prairie]

so for example if you turn your flamer away for 0.33s and then back, it will do the same damage as if you were constantly directing it at the target

but you can't really time it perfectly like that

[celest valve]

If an enemy target has been aimed at for this long, the burning intensity is increased by 1 and they take damage. If the enemy has not been aimed at for this long, they do not take damage, and the intensity goes down by 1. (up to a max)

[summer prairie]

sounds reasonable

[plucky flax]

Wiggles the mouse strat

[clear heath]

I got blazing piety so it would crit and we can see the numbers more clearly
Only the direct damage can crit so we know these are direct damage and not burns tacks
First crit is 53, then 122, 142, and finally 212 is the highest the crits go

[summer prairie]

but wiggling works

[clear heath]

so yes the direct damage ramps

[strong gulch]

TBH that's why I've been leaning hard on purg with battle med, ER, and damage dumped. Peril gen is easy right now. I was scared from what I've been hearing. I should prob dump WR for more damage and see how that goes.

[celest valve]

no, I'm fairly certain it's related to the burning interval. You have to be aiming roughly at a target for 34% of the 'burning interval' stated. Which I think is also the interval of the damage.

[summer prairie]

does it still not add up the damage when a burn and a direct damage line up

[celest valve]

...from the flamer, that is. The fire is on a seperate tick system like warpfire and bleed.

[split lance]

what perks on flamer

[summer prairie]

34% of what

[celest valve]

the burning intensity

[summer prairie]

which is?

[celest valve]

which is a duration.

[summer prairie]

which is?

[summer prairie]

that doesn't answer

[plucky flax]

Flak unyielding

[split lance]

oh ok

i was gonna go crit lol

[summer prairie]

the other one is definitely how often another burn stack can be applied

[celest valve]

(technically it's not but that's related to the extra burn stack applied when the duration ends, likely so that primary fire can actually add a stack despite being 0.1s long off memory)

[summer prairie]

both of these stats look suspiciously similar, pretty sure they work the same

[split lance]

anyone wanna run a quick mael, wanna try out zealot rq

[plucky flax]

If you want to go for it bro I am not your daddy

[celest valve]

(but yes for continuous fire it as far as I can tell basically adds up every tick what enemies are being aimed at, then when the attack ends or that duration countdown happens it boops them all with a burning stack)

[split lance]

[summer prairie]

even if you target something only for 0.01s, it still gets a stack

[split lance]

[clear heath]

I didn't think that could happen with a crit and a non-crit

[plucky flax]

[celest valve]

as far as I can tell, yes. This does not apply to the direct damage(and the direct damage... probably... cleaves?)

[clear heath]

That's why i specifically checked for crits

[celest valve]

(ok i'll be honest the code is confusing outside of it definitely ramps up)

[summer prairie]

it doesn't seem to cleave

[split lance]

[cyan portal]

My guess is secondary burning intensity is how quickly the direct damage scales up when holding flame on a target.

[summer prairie]

like line up two bosses

and the one behind takes way less damage

[celest valve]

https://github.com/Aussiemon/Darktide-Source-Code/blob/c3b51ce69a58f8d3164499b5ebeb8d28f949b083/scripts/extension_systems/weapon/actions/action_flamer_gas.lua#L21

Here's the code for the logic.

[strong gulch]

There are two VERY different convos happening.

[azure karma]

How tf do people get 500k + damage with purg

[split lance]

ez

point

[strong gulch]

One is maths and the other is daddy do I crit.

[split lance]

and shoot

and never EVER

[azure karma]

I tried that, max 300k

[split lance]

let go of w

[strong gulch]

You can font line with purg.

[plucky flax]

I assume you're doing maelstrom? If so spam f for creeping flames more

[clear heath]

wait are we still talking about the flamer?

[summer prairie]

oh it does count frames you've been aiming at the target, weird

[celest valve]

    if self._is_server then
        self:_damage_targets(0, t, true)
        self:_burn_targets(0, t, true)
    end``` This *specifically* is what fires off the extra burn stack and damage stack when the flaming ends. (also the attack action has a minimum duration so you can't just have a script to rapid tap the key every frame)

[summer prairie]

json: probably not, maybe different from purg

[strong gulch]

Frontline, shriek, wildfire, pc

[summer prairie]

does flamer direct damage cleave and purg does not?

[strong gulch]

Even with bubble you can aggressively reposition or charge ahead.

[celest valve]

if fire_config.charge_cost then self._action_module_charge_component.charge_level = 0 end also it has this because of the staff, which uses charge mechanics. the flamer does not

(it's the same code)

[clear heath]

Interesting how spamming lmb while holding rmb on flamer gives you more burn stacks per ammo than just holding it

kills blaze away stacks though

[spring geyser]

What’s the dump stat on Psi G. Sword at the moment?

[tired estuary]

warp res

[devout sluice]

Its always warp res

[celest valve]

_burn_targets on line 364: This is what the burn stat likely influences, and is the burn stack applier. It reduces the burn time by dt(deltat, or delta time. The time that has elapsed since it was last called). Then if burn time is equal to or less than 0, it applies the burn stack, and sets burn time back to the dot stack application rate.

[split lance]

IM CRACKED ON ZEALOT

[celest valve]

this technically means that low FPS can lower burn stack application but that applies to a lot of things >.>

[summer prairie]

this is serverside

[nocturne dust]

[split lance]

NEXT RUN IM ON ZEALOT

[nocturne dust]

aight

[split lance]

ima throw

in this mael

i have almost 100% up time on the

uhhh

ability

[celest valve]

oh

also it's literally not listed anywhere in the game. AT all. EVER.

[split lance]

ofc im currently dead bc im throwing

[celest valve]

but critical strikes with the flamer adds two burn stacks, not 1.

lol

[nocturne dust]

just remember to like

[clear heath]

purg too

[nocturne dust]

stay in the bubble on Havoc

plz

[celest valve]

i'm appreviating flamer because their mechanics are identical here. :p

[split lance]

idk man

im moving so fast

after shooting with flamer

[celest valve]

anyway then we have. _damage_target. yay!

[nocturne dust]

https://tenor.com/view/alice-in-wonderland-sigh-frustration-gif-25225329

[split lance]

i hold r trying to quell

lo

[nocturne dust]

Literally when I'm outside of bubble the only thing I can do is slide

or you know, find cover and reposition and stuff, but...

[strong gulch]

me when I play zealot

[clear heath]

zealot's greatest enemies are either trappers or themselves

[celest valve]

damage_target only applies if the target is actually damaged. This can hit weakspots(...huh), penetrate for cleave values probably, all that. (and then also triggers... something that normally triggers on damage)

[strong gulch]

https://tenor.com/view/stuck-trapped-flip-over-stuck-on-soccer-net-help-gif-14558028

[azure karma]

Can I get more than 42% crit on purg or nah

[nocturne dust]

you know, Tren, if you want to run at the enemies with your sword, you can do that. I will be very impressed if you succeed.

At least on the Havoc level we're at.

[celest valve]

then there's damage_targets. Which is VERY different from damage_target. Of course.

[nocturne dust]

I'm not cool and good at the game like other people, I'll stay in my safety bubble

[devout sluice]

Psyker has innate 7.5% crit chance

So unless you accounted for that then you already do

[celest valve]

if current_damage_time <= 0 or force_damage then Anyway. This is where... BURNING INTENSITY comes in! y a a a y

[azure karma]

?

[devout sluice]

🫃🏻

[clear heath]

technically you can if a zealot has that crit sharing talent on blazing piety

[mental grail]

the shock maul is kinda gnarly

it's not even a power weapon, so your just bonking the dogshit out of people until they die

[clear heath]

Wait actually,
7.5% base, 20% warp nexus, 5% perk, 5% node, 5% from aura, 5% from souldrinker
Should be able to reach 47.5% but souldrinker sucks

[celest valve]

and where is the rampup you may ask?

[azure karma]

Meh I'll stay at 42

[clear heath]

wait i forgot scriers

+20% from scriers

[azure karma]

For maximum cringe I go lmb spam smite EK staff right

[celest valve]

new_target_index = math.min(self._max_target_index, current_index + 1) after calling damage_target, it then does this. Basically increments the damage array by 1 target for the next time damage happens.

[azure karma]

I kill myself every time I use sciers

[clear heath]

I think running purg with scriers would be lunatic behavior

but that would be theoretically the highest...

[azure karma]

I don't run scriers with anything tbh

Let me see yalls purg builds

I've been using assail because I kinda hate bb

[celest valve]

damage_time = self._damage_times[index] + distance / self._range * 0.4 ok also i'll be honest i have absolutely no clue what this does or what _hit_target does.

i think that uses effective range there, actually?

[nocturne dust]

Is good boss damage

[summer prairie]

it's size_of_flame_template which is the range stat yeah

[strong gulch]

This is what I usually take. BB is mostly there for KF.

Purg/ inferno has flak + unyielding and blaze away + nexus
Melee should be a single target focused option that can tackle crushers. DS4 (dueling sword mk 4) with unyielding + maniac and uncanny + relentless strikes/ thurst is a great option.

I'm double dipping on the unyielding because I keep in hand whatever weapon suits the situation better and I want bosses and ogryn to die harder.

[azure karma]

Pretty similiar to mine except assail

[celest valve]

ooooh

self._damage_times = weapon_handling_template.flamer_ramp_up_times or { weapon_handling_template.fire_rate.fire_time, }

i see

[vivid merlin]

hello psyker friends am I inting with voidstrike soulblaze build

[celest valve]

https://github.com/Aussiemon/Darktide-Source-Code/blob/c3b51ce69a58f8d3164499b5ebeb8d28f949b083/scripts/settings/equipment/weapon_handling_templates/weapon_handling_templates.lua#L230

[reef belfry]

one of us

ah yes

[vivid merlin]

I just like it but idk if I'm throwing because it's not recommended anywhere

[celest valve]

that's the flamer ram up times. which gets... processed... somehow... with ONE OF THE VALUES WE SEE as burning intensity the value we see as burning intensity.

oh

            _array_range = {
                1,
                math.huge,
                stat_group_key = "flamer_ramp_up_times",
                stat_group_rule = "average",
            },
        },```

average, ok

[mental rock]

math.huge

[celest valve]

yes that's just a shortcut to use t he size of the array I think

[mental rock]

yeah I just think it sounds funny

[celest valve]

https://github.com/Aussiemon/Darktide-Source-Code/blob/c3b51ce69a58f8d3164499b5ebeb8d28f949b083/scripts/settings/equipment/weapon_templates/weapon_trait_templates/damage_trait_templates.lua#L1388 now linking this to not spam again. This is the ramp up... power distribution. Unsure exactly what default_target is, it might be what's shown statwise.

(i still do not fully understand power distribution)

[summer prairie]

that looks like cleave targets?

[celest valve]

https://github.com/Aussiemon/Darktide-Source-Code/blob/c3b51ce69a58f8d3164499b5ebeb8d28f949b083/scripts/settings/projectile/flamer_gas_templates.lua#L26 Then more down the rabbit hole(yay). Flamer gas templates! For both zealot and psyker kind(piss off a psyker today with this knowledge that the two are LINKED).

[celest valve]

They're not. REmember back in damage_targets where the target index was incremented?

[summer prairie]

does ogryn_heavystubber ramp up damage

it has a similar template

[spice flame]

ah yeah, the fabled lvl 26 in auric mael

(it was CIVI and he ate the very first overheard)

[celest valve]

I am unsure to be honest, it's likely that it uses a different cleave formula that flamers do not use as they do not cleave.

Anyway it calls Attack.execute with the proper target_index to use.

[summer prairie]

it's just that many damage templates in there look the same as the flamer one

[celest valve]

https://github.com/Aussiemon/Darktide-Source-Code/blob/c3b51ce69a58f8d3164499b5ebeb8d28f949b083/scripts/utilities/attack/hit_scan.lua#L214 Specifically, hit-scan weapons use this to execute attacks instead of flamer_gas

[onyx sentinel]

are there any better perks for mk6 fgs than Maniak/Carapace?

I know some people use flak instead of maniac but hitting that mutie breakpoint seems comfy so far

[clear heath]

unyielding cara is pretty popular
I personally do unyielding elites

I'm running DD so killing mutants is a non issue

they die anyways

[onyx sentinel]

yeah I swap to unyielding on monstro modifiers but other than that it seems pretty rarely useful

speaking of DD is the stack buff icon still broken for anyone

[clear heath]

probably. I've heard people mention it.
I don't have the issue at all since i use a mod to split my buffs into different bars

[onyx sentinel]

which mod is that?

[clear heath]

Better Buff Management

[celest valve]

target_index = RangedAction.target_index(target_index, penetrated, penetration_config) this is how the hit_scan script uses the target_index.

https://github.com/Aussiemon/Darktide-Source-Code/blob/c3b51ce69a58f8d3164499b5ebeb8d28f949b083/scripts/utilities/action/ranged_action.lua#L12 here, specifically, which flamer_gas does not use(along with a few other things such as chain lightning)

[onyx sentinel]

do you still one hit ragers with the stab heavy using this setup

[summer prairie]

but the power stays the same in that template, unless it is somehow cumulative

[onyx sentinel]

without scriers

[celest valve]

shit i need an autopistol

ok combat shotguns are entirely unsuitable to penetration tests because they're weird.

and hit more bullets than exist

[summer prairie]

they have a minimum pellets stat or something, even if only one hits it counts as x being hit

[celest valve]

which sometimes is more than the pellets shot

[clear heath]

I think it would?
Been running havoc so often that idk the normal damnation breakpoints anymore

[celest valve]

...okay bullets don't consistently pass through enemies unless they kill them. aaaaa

[clear heath]

I don't really go for breakpoints in havoc, just as much damage as i can on anything relevant

it's hard to test and idk if i'm getting buffed by teammate auras or whatever

[celest valve]

oh

you can shoot through walls

ok then.

i... did not know you could.

[summer prairie]

just some walls

useful for spawn cabinet doors though

[celest valve]

yeah you can shoot through the corners of the training room

and through the training crate

[cold hornet]

Haven't played with the voidstrike it a hot minute, did they reduce the peril reduction on Transfer Peril?

[celest valve]

Transfer Peril?

[sacred dome]

So

[cold hornet]

quell on weakspot hit

[celest valve]

o

[sacred dome]

How to plow havoc w the space wiz ?

[celest valve]

sword go brr

[sacred dome]

shield and lightning ?

[cold hornet]

I feel like I used to consistenly be on low peril, but it may just be havoc thats scrwing with me now

[ocean cipher]

which FGS mark is better

[near wyvern]

Mk 8 check Atheneum for why

[ocean cipher]

also is Havoc 1-10 even worth doing? or should i just try to make it through an auric mael

[near wyvern]

Don't get hit

[near wyvern]

Auric Mael is the way

If you can't get through Auric Mael it's not a wise choice to push havocs

[clear heath]

auric mael skips you to 16

[near wyvern]

Unless you just wanna farm the low levels for the event

[clear heath]

anything below 20 is super boring
very worth it to skip

[trim folio]

Is it worth using unyielding perk on force great sword if you have a ranged weapon dedicated for bosses?

[near wyvern]

Around 25 is where the difficulty starts to ramp up

[celest valve]

beautiful

[plucky flax]

With crit ye

And dd stacks

[plucky flax]

If you are only going to use range for unyielding then nah

I'd go flak carapace that case

[near wyvern]

Depends on your plan for bulwarks. FGS does enough damage against anything else than carapace and unyielding that other armour perks are nor needed. Unyielding causes bulwarks to die in one less hit.

[plucky flax]

Use what you like don't listen to someone say 1 is better than the other

[marble crater]

Question: now that ranged troops are so much stronger in havoc, what do you think about gunner resist? Is it more important because they are stronger or nearly worthless because they delete you in a short time anyway? I might have to change some curios

[cyan portal]

if they absolutely delete you, then probably not useful. If they're hurting you without killing you, then they will hurt you less.

[near wyvern]

Hard to say other than bubble is very valuable

And ability CD might be really worth it as seconds might be the difference of life and death for the bubble

[junior linden]

How do you guys go about making more effective psyker builds? I always can't help myself from taking too many blue nodes from the top rows

Compared to other classes

[marble crater]

I was thinking of replacing gunner resist with ability cooldown, yes. I am not going to havoc without my bubble nowadays and I am only at 23

[plucky flax]

Use what you like don't listen to someone say 1 is better than the other

[plucky flax]

Nah just bubbles maxing and stack cdr on perks

[marble crater]

So far they only delete me if I mess up I guess. Maybe I just need to git gut

[plucky flax]

You have to start taking less and less up top until it feels comfortable. Certain weapons favour some node over other at top

[celest valve]

play literally any other class with worse toughness regeneration

[near wyvern]

Play around synergies and avoid weak talents

[junior linden]

Thanks, psyker is a ton of fun even if it's my least played

Vet started putting me to sleep

And I run zealot half the time anyways

[marble crater]

Two nodes at the top you can almost always skip are Battle Meditation and the one that gives toughness by gaining peril

[plucky flax]

Self experimentation too. A lot of people are way too set on something here.

Like which big sword is better

[junior linden]

Oh I always take those, that must've been my problem

Thanks a ton everyone

[celest valve]

it's obviously this sword skin :V

[plucky flax]

Can't wait for premium big sword skin soon

[marble crater]

The one that gives toughness by quelling peril is better and Battle Meditation doesn't really do all that much for most builds, but it's a nice pick for certain builds

[plucky flax]

Gonna cost 1400

[junior linden]

I wish we had a blue camo sword for dockets I miss when they made the nice docket skins I still love a ton of them

[marble crater]

Big sword = big cost

[celest valve]

thank you for funding free skins for me and other people

new anime

[marble crater]

I want that Zealot helmet on the left there

[restive tapir]

Just curious after playing like two missions with the new sword (one heresy and the other malice i am rusty after a long break so i played those to warm up) i feel like the charge builds up so slowly that everything is dead by the time i get to use it ESPECIALY if someone on your team is killing a lot already like an Assail Psyker. Does it get better on damnation and auric?

I almost feel like having it charge based on damage deal rather than kills or having it not charge off damage OR kill but rather over time so you can have it ready for a big horde would be better no?

Of course those are initial impressions and i can't say these things with full sincerity, hence me asking you guys what you think

It feels really bad to use such a big attack on like 3 poxwalkers yknow

[junior linden]

They do better on higher difficulties where the hordes are bigger so you charge fast imo

[clear heath]

It does get better on auric

[onyx sentinel]

does riposte proc on ranged attacks

[junior linden]

I think so?

[onyx sentinel]

I assume on slides as well

[restive tapir]

that's great to hear i love big swords and was itching for a new Psyker weapon like this for a while now so i was kinda sad when initial impressions were whelming

[junior linden]

It's sooooo fun

My guiding moonlight

[restive tapir]

i like how it has big sweeps on lights and overheads on heavies makes it very versatile :3

[clear heath]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/922136978865156168/1314098608467083335/force_cleave_killfeed.mp4?ex=67567db3&is=67552c33&hm=3ca43f9d5990df7a6ca0c2cae81af94d7bf9ee7defcd2d0872000ea6038e2493&

very fun

[restive tapir]

huh how do you get it to do that much damage? i've only ever seen it do like half health to anything above a poxwalker

[junior linden]

https://youtu.be/NzomXqn4dKI?si=l8es3gtuLuoZiYFq force greatsword theme

[clear heath]

well it's fully charged, 15 disrupt destiny stacks, max peril so max warp rider and unstable power, and it probably crit

[restive tapir]

aaah disrupt destiny shenanigans

[summer prairie]

it would one-shot them anyway without buffs most likely

it was only 1000 dmg on the shotgunners

[junior linden]

Disrupt destiny is half the reason I play psyker it's so fun

[summer prairie]

and I think they are within 12m for full damage

[junior linden]

Other half used to be the dueling sword but now everyone has that so my reason is now the force gsword

[restive tapir]

i never tried going further with Disrupt destiny when i tried it once and it flipflopped between enemies so it would switch to a different enemy as the attack that would kill the first target was already on it's way

not to mention allies killing it doesn't give you stacks

[clear heath]

yeah probably

[restive tapir]

no matter how hard i tried i didn't get above 3 stacks

[clear heath]

but also this is wild

[restive tapir]

so annoying to manage

[clear heath]

big enemies give more charge

steal crusher kills

[junior linden]

You get a bunch of basically guaranteed kills on hordes tho, which pumps up your crowd control

[restive tapir]

i think i've seen it mark like one poxwalker in three missions

[junior linden]

Odd

[clear heath]

kill 5 crushers and it's full i think

[restive tapir]

it always marked a random ass gunner all the way back somewhere in cover and by the time i got to him it swapped to a different enemy also behind 028309283298 layers of cover

[junior linden]

I guess an rng based ability would give us v different experiences tho

[restive tapir]

genuinely so frustrating i gave up on ever using it

[clear heath]

oh for DD they made the targeting better recently

[marble crater]

I think they fixed/changed that recently?

Good, I wasn't dreaming that

[junior linden]

Yeah it feels bad when a dude that's gonna give you 3 stacks but it gets stolen

[whole oxide]

are you using the extended duration talent? it's almost mandatory

[clear heath]

also the update before this one, they made the stacks more forgiving

they used to all drop at once and now they drop 1 at a time

[wind spruce]

It's been not at all frustrating for ages

Stop chasing the targets

[junior linden]

Yeah

[wind spruce]

It's not rocket science

[junior linden]

One closer to you will get marked soon enough

[restive tapir]

at first i tried the one that increases the max amount and when i noticed how annoying it i swapped over to that but it barely helped

[strong gulch]

Honestly I have no clue. I think in the middle difficulties stacking gunner resist is more meaningful.

Like others have said, we do know that bubble is helpful af. So CDR is gonna help.

Right now I am coping by stacking sniper resist x1, gunner resist x3, CDR x3, and corruption resit x2. I might have to reconsider the gunner resist tho.

[restive tapir]

oh great the Better than everyone else guy is here

k bye guys no more questions about the game i'll go look for guides on youtube

[clear heath]

10 seconds per kill is not that hard
or 30 seconds per weakspot kill if you have that

[whole oxide]

the other thing to be aware of is that there's a visual bug where DD often doesn't display your stacks, but they're still there in the background

[wind spruce]

💀

[strong gulch]

Like corruption resist x3 and revive speed x2.

[clear heath]

like it'd take 150 seconds to drop all 15 stacks of DD
You have an eternity

[junior linden]

Gsword and bolt pistol together make me feel like goddamn eisenhorn

[restive tapir]

bolt pistol is so pog

[wind spruce]

My advice is literally to try less hard

[marble crater]

No extra health or toughness? I would feel naked, but with the health and toughness penalties in havoc it's also either worth more or less I will have to make curios just for havoc

[restive tapir]

it's not about your advice it was about your holier than thou smugness

[wind spruce]

It's true I am holey-er

[marble crater]

I tried less hard yesterday and died, so thanks for nothing, Irosk

[strong gulch]

It felt dirty taking them off.

[wind spruce]

No advice can fix you

[marble crater]

[celest valve]

ok the assail greatsword build is ludicrously fun

[junior linden]

I love assail sm

Remember when people thought it was broken

Before smyker took over

[clear heath]

it was broken

it got nerfed twice

[strong gulch]

rip hand cannon

[dull gyro]

@lean remnant

[lean remnant]

I have those

[north orchid]

Me when scriers gaze

[dull gyro]

gud enuff then

i can send you my build if u want, too

[lean remnant]

me rn

[dull gyro]

💀

Gimme a couple minutes and ill send

not at pc rn

[lean remnant]

im only level 22

so I cant do much

[dull gyro]

pretty sure u can hit a powerspike or two at lvl22

be back soon

[near wyvern]

That should carry well

[lean remnant]

I don't wanna run that

That's not gaze

[dull gyro]

try this

works very nice

[strong gulch]

Warp expenditure is generally poopie. If survivability is mostly what you're after with that, soulstealer will help a lot with toughness gen on assail kills.

IDK if you're really set on scrier's or not, but I tried to keep what you mostly had intact.

[dull gyro]

"By crack of bone" is absolutely mandatory, its directly to the right of your aura

[celest valve]

if you can keep peril up high without going over this is ludicrously good

[lean remnant]

I am

[dull gyro]

assail isnt worth putting points into when u go melee i heard

[near wyvern]

It is

You weave to go harder

[dull gyro]

30% faster charges and 1 more pene doesnt sound like much when u can have for example 20% bonus dmg at 100% peril

[lean remnant]

im using these rn

[dull gyro]

which u will have very often due to scrier

[lean remnant]

my theory is soulblaze a bunch while in gaze and heal from the souldrinker

[dull gyro]

thats a bad sword, try to get 60% warp resistence one (FYI)

[near wyvern]

It's 2 more penetration

[celest valve]

ew finessee dump stat :c

[lean remnant]

hm?

[dull gyro]

isnt it 2->3?

[lean remnant]

what

[dull gyro]

try to get these stats

[lean remnant]

dont I just need to level it first

[dull gyro]

or rather, get these stats

[lean remnant]

I havent levled the sword enough to level it to 500

[dull gyro]

you have 60% finesse

[near wyvern]

Oh wait might be, but in any case we are talking about a levelling build and not a full build

[dull gyro]

its very bad

[celest valve]

technically you also want warp resistance as low as possible

[lean remnant]

nor do I have the resurces

[lean remnant]

wdym

[near wyvern]

Assail goes hard at low levels even without damage buffs

[strong gulch]

Depends. Assail and melee go hand in hand. The extra 1 extra pen is meh at this point, but the faster shard gen can be great on not noticable depending on what else your using and how much you need to dump assails.

[celest valve]

like generally you want to find a sword with those maximums, but warp resistance is as close to 0% as possible

[crude dove]

How does it fix the rainbow opaque dome of the psyker?)

[dull gyro]

@lean remnant for now keep playing with that sword, once you get closer to lvl30 (so at like lvl27, 28) try trolling a sword like on that screenshot I sent

and upgrade it to 500

[lean remnant]

I have to buy a new sword

thats poopy

[dull gyro]

yea but at higher level so it wont be as expensive to upgrade

[lean remnant]

since its low enough level already i will do it ig

[lean remnant]

fuck you mesan

I have no resoruces at all

[celest valve]

also the reason why assail weave is a thing is because it has ridiculously fast swap speeds

[clear heath]

assail cleave over warp splitting?

[dull gyro]

.

[dull gyro]

you will have

[lean remnant]

no I wont

[dull gyro]

there are more resources at difficulties 4/5

[lean remnant]

I have 2 LV 30 classes

already

and I play

heresy

and damnation fairly often

on zealot and vet lol

[dull gyro]

where's the issue then

you will have resources eventually

[lean remnant]

im broke

[dull gyro]

just by playing

same bro

[lean remnant]

and its gonna take forever to grind so

not rn

[celest valve]

actually

[lean remnant]

I will get a new sword laterTM

[celest valve]

i don't think force sword actually has a wield time.

at all

[lean remnant]

I have a bigger issue

[dull gyro]

[worthy goblet]

Is the inferno's dump stat still damage or have we gone back to warp resist?

[marble crater]

Warp resist

Damage is good now with blaze away

[worthy goblet]

makes sense. Welp another resource sink inc XD

[celest valve]

also yeah. So take one of the swords(the mark 8 i am using), and just. have something else out. Then tap it and immediately hit the attack button.

[lean remnant]

also I didnt even realize until 5 minutes ago you gambled for stats

[plucky flax]

Most melee damage most range damage assails bistol big sword creeping flames

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1046914150363844779/1314867807430770748/image.png?ex=6756a712&is=67555592&hm=0a43a153a91e7015a9479c9421d6ae696e02a6880e4766af551916d1533eba7a&

[dull gyro]

build pls? ❤️

[plucky flax]

Maybe the map lasts 1 more min and I get 1 mil

Forbidden unsanctioned build but I will give you

[celest valve]

wait i think you can throw 10 assail knives in a single second

[dull gyro]

??? how

[celest valve]

ok maybe not quite that fast but fast

[celest valve]

the same way you can quell machine gun

[near wyvern]

Definitely

[celest valve]

well, modified

[dull gyro]

🤨 interesting, i will try it out

thanks!

[lean remnant]

chat

anyone here know combat knives

because I just realized rolled stats are a thing

[near wyvern]

Yes

[lean remnant]

so I should make sure

hows this

[near wyvern]

Check Atheneum

[lean remnant]

stat roll wise

[plucky flax]

If you do don't be afraid to change up depend on your playstyle. Also do a lot of assails weave in

[lean remnant]

@dull gyro whats wrong with it

[celest valve]

also i'm tempted to make a macro that'll just do a perfect swap to assail, throw a knife, swap back

[dull gyro]

guess u can drop mobility because combat blade has already quite insane mobility

[plucky flax]

Just do mobility 60 for damage maxzing

[lean remnant]

I cant decide the stats

manually

I am also not regrinding this

if its a 10 point difference

[dull gyro]

wdym regrinding, its just buying some knives in the shop

[lean remnant]

yeah

and then spending another 2k resoruces to get it to 500

and gold

[summer prairie]

just keep that, not possible to tell the difference

[plucky flax]

Then it's fine you can just use that

[celest valve]

bruh lol how is this a move

[dull gyro]

ah thats what you meant, then like agentchaos says u can keep it no prob

[plucky flax]

Not everyone is rich like me

[strong gulch]

Pen doesn't matter as much if you have unncanny strikes stacks up.

[dull gyro]

pretty sure I saw such a technique in skallagrims video so its legit

maybe not 1:1

but very similar

[radiant frigate]

it be like that

[plucky flax]

Yeah it's leverage it's real

[radiant frigate]

can make the strike extra snappy

2h swordsmanship also really loves leverage

[celest valve]

do people do it with like the tip of their thumb

[plucky flax]

Kat do you like mk6 or mk8?

[tacit stump]

which blessing and perks do you recommend at the staffs

[radiant frigate]

i like both

[strong gulch]

Depends on the staff

[celest valve]

after the slide attack your psyker literally does a sword twirl in their hand

[plucky flax]

You must choose one right now

[radiant frigate]

i like big swords and i cannot lie

[radiant frigate]

6 then

[strong gulch]

I need try the FGS out more and specifically try the mk8 more.

[plucky flax]

[tacit stump]

stabby one

[plucky flax]

6 gang rise up

[pulsar hazel]

I've held it like that irl. If you want the most leverage possible you don't hold it at the bottom of the grip you literally hold it by the pommel

[plucky flax]

Reject anatheum

Embrace the 666

[tacit stump]

?

[pulsar hazel]

Which one is the one with bret longsword running heavy and heavy 1

[plucky flax]

I think that's 6

[pulsar hazel]

I like that one because the light attack spam is faster than the 8s and the running heavy into 1 is very good for opening into high mass horde

[plucky flax]

Maybe not sure been a long time I play vt2

No 8 has faster light attack

[tacit stump]

8 is more horde oriented

[pulsar hazel]

Which one has stab heavy 2

[plucky flax]

That's 6

[tacit stump]

6

[radiant frigate]

6

[pulsar hazel]

Yeah so I like 8 my bad

Both are good tho

Both are good tho

[plucky flax]

6 is so comfy

I know both are good but guide will tell you otherwise.

Veri sad and close minded

[tacit stump]

stabs crushers in the face

[pulsar hazel]

6 will probably be the youtuber favorite

So it'll be on every guide sigh

[plucky flax]

Open your mind to experience tru warp

[celest valve]

i think both of them have the golf swing slide tho

[pulsar hazel]

Yeah with running heavy

Oh slide yeah

[plucky flax]

Running heavy in 6 is an overhead si gle target

From left side

[pulsar hazel]

Wait no 6 has the overhead running which is kinda whatever cus heavy 1 already does that

[celest valve]

i call it a golf swing slide because you do a uppercut that if aimed right will just launch a poor soldier's head into space

[tacit stump]

overhead overhead stab

[plucky flax]

Yeah but running heavy on 8 is a horde clear one. So if you want to run toward a crusher it's weird for me

I don't like that

[pulsar hazel]

Ig you can also sprint reset for overheads only

[wind spruce]

BATTERY GUNNER!

[celest valve]

I like the slide light attack for ranged enemies, as they tend to spread out a lot and also shoot at you.

[pulsar hazel]

Yeah I usually block push for CC anyway so getting that fantastic stab into looping strikedowns is very nice for me

[tacit stump]

no stab has more damage

[pulsar hazel]

I thought so yeah

[plucky flax]

It's gud maybe I've literally never tried it myself tho

[celest valve]

So you can do a cool run towards them, slide when you see the glint that tells you they're about to shoot you to slide under their bullets, then FORE!

[wind spruce]

It's not good, it's mandatory*

[pulsar hazel]

Idk both are good. I can see why people would like 6 because you can immediately go into single target but 8s combos into it's strikedowns well enough so I prefer it for the horde performance

Im biased though because I love bret ls

it's literally just a bret ls

[tacit stump]

l1-l2-l3-bc- l1

bret sword with block cancel l1-l2-bc-l1

[celest valve]

well also you can't rely 100% on them because they are basically a giant burst of information that doesn't really accurately explain why those numbers are the way they are?

[pulsar hazel]

Erm ackshually l1-bc if you're being optimal

[celest valve]

and you can understand other melee weapons too if you understand why those numbers exist!

[pulsar hazel]

8 is more like bret ls heavies with coghammer-lite lights

[plucky flax]

I dunno don't think it actually says you must run it (I admit I don't read psyker guide)

@wind spruce

[celest valve]

imma use the mk6 because it has the most moves imo

[pulsar hazel]

I switched back to relic 10 because I was tired of push attacking 140 times a game

[plucky flax]

I am veri noob player and I prefer 6 maybe noobs like me should stick with 6 leave 8 to the pros

[tacit stump]

how good is the athaneum guide

[plucky flax]

(I blow up to the mk8 push stab)

[tacit stump]

i normally go by meele or guns hammer of the emperor

[celest valve]

basically: each move and attack has it's own properties(very good) that defines it's properties and what it's good at

[pulsar hazel]

They're very well balanced yeah

[tacit stump]

i preffer mk6 more deimos one

[pulsar hazel]

I'm still unconvinced mk2 > mk10 relic because half the people that told me to use mk2 didn't know what a block cancel was

[plucky flax]

I can sort of play the mk8 big sword here. But on zealot I can only play the 10

[celest valve]

so mk6: First two light attacks are side swings. The first side swings tend to be anti-horde, and they do the least damage.

[plucky flax]

The other variant of zealot big sword is too weird for me

[tacit stump]

10 feels better then 2

[summer prairie]

it's kind of bad for weaving yeah when you go to 100 with assail and then switch to big sword and want to do a heavy

[celest valve]

It's basically just enough to kill horde enemies if you hit them in the head.

[plucky flax]

10 I can just light light heavy for horde or even just light spam

Then heavy 1 heavy 2 block cancel for single

[pulsar hazel]

The main argument for 2 is the light (light heavy) loop is fast to engage and the push attack light heavy is good but I honestly prefer the instant bigger heavies of 10 and the light light block cancel

[celest valve]

The mk8 is better at hordeclear because their horizontal lights are completely horizontal. This makes it very easy to swing at head height and, with increased cleave, just chop everyone's head off in a single swing.

[pulsar hazel]

Also mk10 has an amazing push attack

[patent jacinth]

The main argument for the 2 is literally just the uppercut

[plucky flax]

I can't even hit heads with the 2handed upper cut

[celest valve]

(also i find the mk6 difficult on the first swing because it's got a very vertical almost swing that has difficulty hitting many people)

[plucky flax]

[pulsar hazel]

Slower attack speed not even mentioning the block cancel tho

[patent jacinth]

It gives the greatest mutant ragdolls with super impact

[tacit stump]

i dislike the uppercut i preffer guillotine style strike down attacks

[patent jacinth]

Uppercut can FotF oneshot a crusher

[plucky flax]

I prefer charging at mutie for head poke. It's so cool wish psyker can do that too

[patent jacinth]

It deals the most damage out of both normal movesets

[pulsar hazel]

I can see the argument for mk2 but the mk10s push stab sells it for me. It's so useful when interrupted by a rager etc

In such a sluggish weapon in both mks having such a fast attack to your disposal is super nice

[tacit stump]

the discrepancy is not big enough for me to matter

[celest valve]

Then the third light attack is a quick diagonal attack. Diagonal uppercuts tend to be Horde Clear+. They have increased damage, and finesse properties. That means you want to usually aim them at tougher enemies inside a horde, like ragers, or to finish off a ranged enemy in a single swing instead of two.

Finally, we have the 4th and last light attack.

These are called 'strikedowns' because they are just literally straight down. You have to be careful with these because sometimes they look like a strikedown but instead they're tilted slightly, and are more like the diagonal high finesse attacks.

(this is why people incorrectly believe that the mk8 deals less damage)

[tacit stump]

first one of the heavys is diagonal then it is strikedown loop and the strikedown attacks deal less damage then the stab

[celest valve]

you can see here that the high finesse uppercut did only 63 to carapace. While the strikedown did actual damage through the armor. Strikedowns are for dealing with armor. I think of the armor piercing moves, they tend to have the lowest finessee modifiers, so they tend to be better when you can't reach a weakpoint.

Next we have the stab, the H2 of the mk6. This is why I (incorrectly) believed the mk6 did less heavy damage than the mk8. Because if you DON'T hit a weakpoint... it deals significantly less damage.

[tacit stump]

it is harder to hit the head with the uppercut