psyker-class

[patent mango]

dies..

[thorn cedar]

warp speed fucks hard especially with mind in motion

[haughty star]

recon 12

the noob cannon

[patent mango]

gamers what talent do igo for in this melee build

[wind spruce]

Then dropping ee is zero iq

[patent mango]

i have 1 flex point spent on that 15 toughnes node

[clear heath]

if you're focusing on gun and assails, sure drop speed
but it would feel too awful to give that up on melee

[wind spruce]

Thanks for the lol

[clear heath]

you gotta like, go to the enemies somehow

[runic juniper]

Every day I learn of new shapes you can make in the talent tree

[haughty star]

cruel fortune gets the axe than

will observe and report

[clear heath]

Giving up cruel fortune works in aurics and maels just fine

[prime elk]

do you have wrath? if not prob warp splitter, otherwise i think 15 toughness is da wae

[clear heath]

I've only started noticing it gone in higher havocs

[normal matrix]

Ive been enjoying the new force sword quite a lot, feel like ludwig from bloodborne

[patent mango]

i got wrath

[ornate hamlet]

@haughty star tweaks I made to the one you sent me earlier.

[prime elk]

yeah imo just stick with 15 toughness then

[clear heath]

Because in high havoc i don't have the luxury of killing exactly what i want whenever i feel like

[patent mango]

oof

[wind spruce]

Bro axe the 5% ranged damage node and flayer to get warp rider

It'll give you more damage overall

[patent mango]

imma unironically have to wait for charged strike buff by this point

lmaooooo

[wind spruce]

The 5% ranged damage node doesn't even effect your burn

Oh nvm

Anticipation

I forget that exists

[patent mango]

i was thinking anticipation but i just got away from the scary 5% ranged node in unlocked and loaded

and thats 2 points anyways

[prime elk]

yeah

anticipation is just ass to path for

otherwise i'd take it more often, even if i'm not sure it actually helps that much

[haughty star]

not for FGS it's not

[patent mango]

4 dodges is more than enough is the problem

wel maybe not more than enough but its enough

[haughty star]

one extra dodge on that doodoo thing is helpful

[ornate hamlet]

I was thinking they should have changed Charged Strike with the release of the greatswords. Have it more use for melee since a lot of Psykers would be doing it.

[haughty star]

nah the dodges are like a foot

[prime elk]

don't ever play relic blade

[haughty star]

i like relic blade

[patent mango]

the dodges are so reasonable idk

its like 1m maybe

[prime elk]

relic blade has worse dodges

[patent mango]

its true thoo

[haughty star]

zealot mobility makes up for it. psyker has the worst dodges aside from ogryn lol

[patent mango]

psyker dodge is good though

[haughty star]

isn't it literally the 2nd worst in the game?

[clear heath]

zealots have abilities that can make breathing room to buy time very easily

[patent mango]

uh shouldnt be?

[prime elk]

i don't think there's a class-specific stat for dodges

[wind spruce]

Lower distance but shortest cooldown isn't it?

[prime elk]

it's just weapons and talents afaik

[ornate hamlet]

Still leveling up the mastery, but this is what I got right now.

[clear heath]

if you run out of dodges on zealot, you just press F and wait a bit

[wind spruce]

Perfect

[clear heath]

i guess on psyker you just block with KD if it gets desperate enough

not always an option though

[prime elk]

perfect but it's a mk6 🤮

[haughty star]

KD don't block overhands

[patent mango]

we love mk6!!

[lofty marsh]

gotta scrap a few swords

[ornate hamlet]

Wha sa matta with Mk6?

[haughty star]

that's the main reason i like anticipation in FGS specific scenario

[prime elk]

i'm memeing, but i prefer mk8

[wind spruce]

Nothing it's just fun and games to stan one side

[patent mango]

if the node was 5% melee dmg i'd think about it

[patent mango]

or 5% movement speed

[prime elk]

fgs mark is up to personal preference

[clear heath]

usually i just pray that i can time the dodge when i'm out of dodges

can still iframe overheads with like -8 dodges

[hazy moss]

psyker is pretty cool, but imagine playing as an ork shaman

[wind spruce]

There's multiple

[patent mango]

thats next class

releasing 2025

[runic juniper]

when you deconstruct for the value of 500k it takes a whole minute for the server to give it to you

[prime elk]

oh ok, then gameslantern page is neglecting to display them

[patent mango]

i kinda wish slide heavy attack on fgs was stab

it'd fit i think

[hazy moss]

about time

[prime elk]

yeah was very disappointed

it looks like they're going for a stab based on the animation

[patent mango]

yeahh

[prime elk]

but then they do this floppy slashing strike

smh

[patent mango]

its so over

[normal matrix]

I do like that the force gs has a weird moveset though, reflects the user well

[ornate hamlet]

Appreciate what everyone has been saying though. Learning a lot.

[haughty star]

my only reason not to run warp rider is with bcob and tranquility through slaughter and no blitz that i actually use i'm rarely ever at high peril or going to waste peril on time i could be in scrier's

since i have like 0 scrier's downtime with the cooldown aura and PA

[normal matrix]

Warp rider with... whatever the blessing is named makes high peril force gs a beast though

[haughty star]

it doesn't really change any breakpoints it doesn't already hit lol

like

[hazy moss]

learning is overrated

i dont like learning

[normal matrix]

Sorry baz you said the no no word i had to hit you with the react

[haughty star]

iso it doesn't really make it any more or less of a beast having it or not having it lol

it's a thought beast

[normal matrix]

Eh, more damage is more damage

[haughty star]

less time in scrier's is not more damage

[normal matrix]

Oh i use shields idc

For you though, you are correct

[runic juniper]

Nurgle's Chosen attempting to get me to believe that stacking damage is in fact pointless and that it's all in my head

unless it's taking a vigilant auto over an infantry las that shit aint worth

[ornate hamlet]

Well I'm pretty refarted, so it's good to learn.

[normal matrix]

The Zealots telling me the blood and skulls go to the Emperor, contrary to what the screaming is telling me

[hazy moss]

[haughty star]

plus warp rider is additive so it's not like a do or die thing. obvious pick for staves but i just don't think it's worth for this particular build

[clear heath]

Do you guys ever try to make a second set of perfect curios for other builds, and then go through this?

[radiant frigate]

no melkbucks?

[haughty star]

i am still tryna move shit around tho so i might end up with it. i might have been talked out of anticipation it's just with the FGS poopoo dodges i figured and extra can't hurt

[clear heath]

melk curio gacha was not kind to me

[haughty star]

i am perpetually out of resources

[radiant frigate]

any resource havers

[thorn cedar]

no

none

they dont exist

[radiant frigate]

that's a shame

[thorn cedar]

impossible

[mellow quail]

Just curious if anyone in here has gotten to tier 40

[wind spruce]

I feel you, but even during scriers and with bcob and tranquillity my peril bounces around a lot

[hazy moss]

how many hours do u have on the game 😭

[prime elk]

pretty sure that happened on the second day after the patch or some shit lol

[clear heath]

so far i've only beaten 32

[thorn cedar]

just a few

3,634

[hazy moss]

x10

[clear heath]

have you ever been outside?

[mellow quail]

Someone would have had to grind to 40 within the first 24hrs then...I don't think you can stastistically complete missions that quickly unless you get very lucky

[thorn cedar]

not if i can help it

[hazy moss]

lemme get some of those upgrade mats

[mellow quail]

-especially since the Aurc reward was 10 to start rather then 16 like it is now

[prime elk]

you start at 16. with 24 missions to get to 40, pretty doable if you no-life it and have good teams

[clear heath]

It only started at 10 for like the first 2 hours

[prime elk]

yeah they bumped it pretty quicklyh

[clear heath]

I was there and got scammed

[ornate hamlet]

Jeebus. And I thought 332 was a lot.

[clear heath]

manually grinded from 10 to 12

[prime elk]

rip

[mellow quail]

I fully bet someone was in the 30s but not max.

[prime elk]

must've been a yawnefest

[haughty star]

i wish they would hurry up and fix the fucking stack indicators

[hazy moss]

ive grinded to havoc 25 😎

but i dont play much

[clear heath]

idk tanner said he did 40 on day 1

[hazy moss]

hm, didnt they get early acces to rank 40?

[clear heath]

no

[runic juniper]

not tanner lol

[clear heath]

tanner doesn't have early access

[haughty star]

i've managed to keep all my tdr stacking and my cooldowns so imma give it a run

[round coyote]

There’s no way to get rid of the chat box is there

[runic juniper]

yeah you're forever blessed with mourningstar chat even if you need to see the shit behind it while you craft

[round coyote]

Wack

[runic juniper]

I hope it's a political arguement in the way like it was for me

[wind spruce]

This is the build I was using for heavy sword & recon before the last patch. I kinda love KR warp unbound BB for sniping things off and assisting with monstrosity DPS while maintaining burn

[hazy moss]

i doubt im as good as tanner

[runic juniper]

Also, it's so refreshing to finally get to use brainburst as a general ranged option again as havoc

[clear heath]

havoc snipers taking multiple brain bursts

[nocturne dust]

[runic juniper]

Everything taking multiple brainbursts lol

makes me wish for cerebral lacerations

[clear heath]

tfw the poxburster is just unkillable and won't blow up

[nocturne dust]

just tickle the burster with a dot

[runic juniper]

nah, the best part is when you stagger a burster without it blowing up, you set it on fire and put 2 bb into it, have to deal with something else and it gets back up and explode right as you're about to push it

[clear heath]

yeah that's always my fear when i see a pus-hardened poxburster stumbling around the team

[runic juniper]

If you don't babysit it after it falls down it will bite you in the ass lol

but it's been so long since I had to have a team wait while I bursted 1 ranged unit at a time

[lofty marsh]

I swear to god

[strong gulch]

WOAH

[lofty marsh]

Look at my earlier posts

I spent 2 million dockets making this

If I fuckin upgrade that and it's better

[polar crypt]

oop

[strong gulch]

ooh 29 is hard to beat.

[polar crypt]

... why do you need such low warp resist

[lofty marsh]

https://tenor.com/view/darkest-dungeon-italian-gif-24761941

[polar crypt]

oh for being at max peril I guess

lol

[echo root]

To use the blessing that scales your dmg with peril

and the talent that does the same

[lofty marsh]

I just got fucking trolled by brunt

[celest valve]

lol

[lofty marsh]

holy shit

[celest valve]

i just got that penance reference

[runic juniper]

spamming force sword is the fastest way to max peril

other than maybe macroing assail

[polar crypt]

gratz

[celest valve]

:c

[celest valve]

what about laspistol pushes

[lofty marsh]

I think this is fastest

charge swap charge

[runic juniper]

You can only cancel them by switching weapons I think? basically same speed as swords with less peril

[prime elk]

maybe i should try rerolling fgs 🤔

[celest valve]

fair i guess

...you could also used to I recall just block a crusher attack.

[runic juniper]

using KD as a source of peril is really funny especially for shriek

because the smyker is going to make sure that doesnt happen

[celest valve]

it is also, currently, excruciatingly slow i think lmao

[celest valve]

look, we have all day

[haughty star]

it ran really good

not that build but the one i posted above

dd is a fucking joke to keep up now lol

especially with recon on tap

just kidna like "ope" got your nose

[strong gulch]

The the DD target changes are that meaningful?? 👀

[haughty star]

they reworked them

[runic juniper]

perfectionism was do-able before, now it's actually pretty easy

[haughty star]

this patch

[celest valve]

honestly I don't feel like they actually changed the targeting of DD at all >.>

[haughty star]

i do

in melee they're always within range

most of the time

[runic juniper]

way less downtime between targets too

[prime elk]

i can never tell how many DD stacks i have up

[strong gulch]

👀

[prime elk]

because the buffs bar never fucking works

[celest valve]

that was always the case tho(unless someone else kills a target)

[muted grove]

Okay I’m trying to learn, if there is the inferno staffs why would anyone use a smite build? (I am ignorant and hoping to be educated) inferno seems to be better CC and if that’s the case what’s the benefit of a palpatine build

[runic juniper]

not when they're outside of line of sight which gets annoying

[celest valve]

I've gotten like 9 DD stacks before from a single assail.

before the patch

[haughty star]

it's better now

[celest valve]

cause it would hit someone in the head, next person in line selected, and continue

[haughty star]

before it was tough to go without the +2

[mental grail]

2,000,000

[haughty star]

now it's easy as hell and you can generally stay in melee if that's what you doing

[mental grail]

bro got scammed

[strong gulch]

Nah, 2 mil is cheap

[prime elk]

worth for the fgs

[haughty star]

bruhh

this build is soo sick lol

@clear heath better?

almost no scrier's downtime ever, still get to keep my tdr to help with psyker's chip damage problem and my skill issue, and even wrapped wr up into the mix

[clear heath]

oh nice you got EE now

[haughty star]

it works REALLY nicely. KF is a nice touch to cuz when shredding bosses with the recon it's just insult to injury lol

[runic juniper]

Wish kf wasn't random

[haughty star]

it only procs on elites now

how less random could it get

maybe specials too hang on

[runic juniper]

tell me please

[haughty star]

yeah it's specials elites and monstrosities

[runic juniper]

what about shootas?

[nocturne dust]

normal shooters, no

[runic juniper]

just checking

it's better than when I last tried it I guess

[haughty star]

oh much. yeah they changed it on locked and loaded i think

[prime elk]

it's pretty good now

[split lance]

@wind spruce behold surge KF

[haughty star]

using recon it's basically just a guaranteed brain burst every 15 seconds bossing lol

[strong gulch]

Kf procs on elites, specials, and bosses. SB and bleed dots don't proc it. As of last patch, regular burn from infurnus did proc KF. I haven't tried this patch.

[haughty star]

my god man that's crazy

[runic juniper]

buffed by blessings too I'm sure

[haughty star]

it's a brainburst

so buffed by whatever buffs that

[split lance]

i cant pregnant man react you so im sending this message instead

[zinc phoenix]

agree, its pretty reliable

considering switching to the 25 trait

but i like the reliable uptime of the 10s

biggest issue with uptime is pure pox mobs which dont contain anything for dd

which you get sometimes

[runic juniper]

It's only bad in areas where bruisers and shooters don't spawn, as long as you have good mobility and a ranged weapon that can headshot or assail then you're good

[split lance]

oooooh its cuz you blocked me, but you read all my messages anyway

thats what we call rent free

[runic juniper]

usually there'll be a shooter somewhere that dd will like

[nocturne dust]

They changed how DD targets enemies

[zinc phoenix]

there's also the dead empty sections with nothing to kill

[nocturne dust]

I haven't messed with it much tho

[zinc phoenix]

which even happens in the 30s in havoc lol

[clear heath]

it definitely gets harder to stack DD in higher havoc

[nocturne dust]

I mean, havoc isn't more spawning than auric as far as I've seen

[verbal thistle]

correct

[clear heath]

I did fine without cruel fortune in lower havoc but now i'm noticing my stacks drop and i'm considering taking it back

[zinc phoenix]

everything just takes forever to kill so it feels like it 😂

[nocturne dust]

mainly just the buffs that make it feel worse

[nocturne dust]

yeh

[runic juniper]

takes longer to kill stuff which means you lose more stacks trying to kill stuff

[clear heath]

Yeah things are tankier and you just don't have the luxury to choose your DD targets as often

[runic juniper]

and you get punished for not prioritizing lone shooters that get behind you as you move foward

you take warpcharges for cdr over damage in havoc anyways :/

[zinc phoenix]

Mk8 fgs is pretty nice

[clear heath]

I still take DD for FGS usage in havoc

DD itself is also just nice for survivability

[runic juniper]

ye speedy psyker

[clear heath]

you get toughness and movespeed on kills against your targets, pretty nice

[zinc phoenix]

I stopped doing fgs in havoc when I realized I could save myself a lot of effort by walking forward holding right click with the 🍔

[runic juniper]

more consistent damage too but it's so nice to never have bubbles on cooldown

[clear heath]

yeah it's definitely more effort than just grabbing a staff to spam with

but i'm enjoying it

works well enough so far anyways

[runic juniper]

deflector a consideration with havoc fgs or

still just eh

?

[clear heath]

It's a consideration

I don't take it

[nocturne dust]

yes

[clear heath]

but there are a few times where i wish i had

a lot of my shooter deaths feel avoidable because i have bubble anyways

[runic juniper]

Need to get more used to actually using cover again too

minimum height slider chads rise

[clear heath]

I'd say practice without deflector and see how often it kills you

I actually set my height to maximum recently

slightly easier to poke bulwark heads if i'm standing on slightly higher ground

melee in general is just easier to headshot with when you're taller

[shy pewter]

Is there a tactical advantage to being a certain height as a psyker

[runic juniper]

ever since talent trees it's been max just to see over hordes and abuse voidstrike headshots, back when we had to use brainburst as our primary damage dealer being short behind cover was so nice.

[clear heath]

hitting over bulwark shields if you're slightly higher than them on a slope

[zinc phoenix]

I go wall when I’m meleeing which gives me a lot of opportunities to cover off an angle while murdering in another direction

In high havoc, in any other setting I go SG and laugh at bullets 😂

[runic juniper]

minimum height lets you crouch below some cover that is about vaulting height and stops shooters from hitting you

[zinc phoenix]

But also makes headshots harder

[clear heath]

I think there's literally 0 times where i've thought about crouching behind cover

[runic juniper]

Ever since talent trees yes lol

[zinc phoenix]

Top area of carnival end event?

I deffo use cover and crouch when people want to be there because the sight lines are mental

[runic juniper]

now I'm taking out shooters 1 at a time with brainburst again and LOSing them is actually important

[clear heath]

i just fight in the middle cause i get bored

sometimes on stairs

I've genuinely never just crouched and stood somewhere though

always just sliding

[zinc phoenix]

I feel like that’s the one mission where I’d be grateful to have a stealth vet to close gates and snipe shooters

Esp with a ghost gun to avoid return fire

[mental grail]

I would do it for the gameplay benefits, but the thought of being a manlet prevents me

[runic juniper]

you definitely get more out of being tall than short outside of havoc maybe

[zinc phoenix]

Being max height makes headshot with melee a lot easier

[clear heath]

yeah if you melee a lot, you should just be tall

[zinc phoenix]

And shooting specials in crowds

[clear heath]

a lot of staff builds can just be min height cause none of that stuff matters though

[runic juniper]

guns that cleave will cleave into the next enemy instead of above them, mostly voidstrike

[clear heath]

like an inferno or trauma spam build is not going to care about how tall they are

[zinc phoenix]

Surge will

[runic juniper]

also the cleave headshot change to voidstrike is so sad

No more easy 20 headshots in 15 seconds penance

[main wyvern]

guys my arsenal is complete

am i missing anything good

[runic juniper]

I bet this guy doesn't even intentionally lower their warp resistance to benefit from talents

[hazy moss]

infantry autogun, combat blade, revolvers, bistol, shock maul

[main wyvern]

i'll leave that for veteran

ifi ever decide to play alts!!!

[echo root]

No knife? Heresy

[celest valve]

when you are knee deep in infested with a two handed force sword. and you must KILL

[zinc phoenix]

You only have one of everything which makes it impossible to switch perks/blessings in the mission setup screen. I have about six FGS and a bunch of other duplicates to solve this problem

For curios I have so many variants the game shudders when I scroll 😂

[main wyvern]

can't you just swap

the loadouts

i have 5 loadouts

[runic juniper]

no you'd have to go to hadron and swap blessings every time

[clear heath]

The loadouts don't save the weapon perks and stuff

[runic juniper]

imagine if current crafting wasn't built overtop of a slot machine lol

[zinc phoenix]

Member when there was going to be weapon customization in game and they still have the entire system for it?

[runic juniper]

I don't want to think about how horrible that system could of been when we had to deal with unchangable random rolls for so long

[zinc phoenix]

You’re not wrong, slot machine weapon modding is a match made in hell

[clear heath]

remember when stat bars weren't labeled with numbers?

just had to eyeball it

"yeah this damage bar looks long enough"

[runic juniper]

I think I even noticed what the hell stopping power did before we had actual descriptions

[celest valve]

oh

uh

[zinc phoenix]

I still have no idea what most of the stats do

[clear heath]

oh yeah the inspect menu used to just be lore

[zinc phoenix]

It’s been years, I just don’t care 😂

[runic juniper]

I mean it's either a damage/dps stat, or it's mobility

[zinc phoenix]

I know sorta what they claim to do, I don’t know if they actually do it or it’s horse pucky like so many things in this game

[runic juniper]

some of them are horse pucky. Stability says it reduces spread in it's description but sometimes the values it lists will just be visual sway or recoil and no spread.

depends on the weapon

[muted grove]

What niche does smite fill when there are inferno staffs that can CC better?

[runic juniper]

let's you gain more peril, which you can use to Shriek at 87% peril for 6 stacks of soulflame lol

[hazy moss]

smite holds things in position, inferno does not

[clear heath]

inferno doesn't cc better than smite

[hazy moss]

avg smite hate bait post

[runic juniper]

but yeah being able to completely stun enemies instead of temporarily stagger them is nice

[clear heath]

try ccing a crusher with inferno

see how much that helps

[jaunty tiger]

Does warp unbound sometimes bug out and you die anyway?

[runic juniper]

I mean it works as long as you have a football field of empty space behind you

[runic juniper]

yes

[jaunty tiger]

Damn

[clear heath]

there's like a split second as scriers ends where warp unbound isn't active yet

i've died to this once

[runic juniper]

I haven't had it since update but I instictively hold off peril for a second when scriers reaches 100%

[hazy moss]

theres also a split second where youre about to overload and you can enter scriers gaze to save yourself

[clear heath]

this shit will give you anxiety forever once it happens

[hazy moss]

pulling this off can be very satisfying

[runic juniper]

I had it multiple times in a single game, multiple times

and after considering taking a wound I just realized that this is fucking stupid and I'll play around it

there's also an unlisted mod that stops you from overloading yourself during that small timeframe or in general

[slate oasis]

Finally played havoc today and god damn the gunners hurt

it’s like they’re shooting bullets or something

[clear heath]

damn that's crazy

[zinc phoenix]

Left click it 3 times

Purgs left click is very good stagger wise, I use it on like everything to make it F off for a moment

[clear heath]

that doesn't do anything to a crusher

[muted grove]

No no no I’m new and haven’t played much of each,I was told inferno was better CC so was wondering what the point of smite was

[zinc phoenix]

Inferno is generally better because it kills everything quickly while smite holds things still and kills them slowly

The left click can stagger most stuff and also puts some stacks of soulblaze on it

Ideally though you don’t use either and learn to melee because that will take you massively further than learning to right click

[hushed egret]

when I go to try a new build for the first time and I match with someone running the same thing

[clear heath]

yeah so when does this start working?
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/487110864504094730/1315180242473844838/purge_crusher_cc.mp4?ex=6756788c&is=6755270c&hm=9098246d780dca5f2b4f23c931864ac56dfc3a8ad4ba7de141f70321510c6ddb&

[ashen elbow]

What’s a dump stat for the staffs?

[hushed egret]

warp res most times

[zinc phoenix]

I see your mistake

You aren’t using kinetic flayer

[wind spruce]

Idk this happens so infrequently I don't really worry about it. It's happened three times to me out of thousands of scriers

[clear heath]

incredible

[zinc phoenix]

I didn’t think you’d actually go test my 🧌 comment

That’s funny

[prime elk]

eh good enough

[hushed egret]

[prime elk]

2% cleave damage prob won't change anything, so i'll just keep that 27% warp resist

[runic juniper]

this is a total skill issue, I've had crushers get small staggered enough to save me a lot of time

Doesnt mean that I wont need a good chunk of the level to keep kiting them

[feral knoll]

Jut played the new mission damn this is crazy

[haughty star]

THIS right here is AIDS with current pubs lol

only mael i won't fuck with rn

[celest valve]

welp. havok level 2 now i guess.

is there a havok role that is just 'kill, just kill as much as you can, forever, and be invincible'

hmm. It's not mobility dump stat. but.

[runic juniper]

mostly ranged went from easiest modifier to most funny with randoms

[celest valve]

how important is reload speed for a psyker. really

(especially as I always have the +25% reload speed ability)

bout 5.77% important.

[runic juniper]

i mean psyker with trauma or purga staff and 2 chorus zealots constantly yellowing you

[celest valve]

and in return: bout 0.2 m/s movement speed. is that good?

[strong gulch]

@nocturne dust @split lance @lethal lagoon What havoc did we just complete? Was that 31 or 32?

[lethal lagoon]

32

[strong gulch]

gotcha thanks

[celest valve]

i am currently addicted to greatsword pls help

[lethal lagoon]

[nocturne dust]

32 iirc

[lethal lagoon]

If it was an addiction to deez nuts I could help you

[strong gulch]

https://tenor.com/view/praise-him-gif-18876103

[split lance]

im so tired after that

i never want a mission to last 40min agian

[nocturne dust]

I'm sure it will get worse

[strong gulch]

I think I got lactic acid built up in my arms from that mission. lmao

[nocturne dust]

https://tenor.com/view/uncanny-emoji-angry-hakayaki-hakayaki-angry-emoji-gif-13101565263917230073

[runic juniper]

it will subside in 4 days trust me

[split lance]

i also

would like to never have to swap off surge

i didnt knoiw i missed it this much

lmao

[strong gulch]

https://tenor.com/view/beaker-electrocuted-ahhh-gif-9589484

[sick sparrow]

need help with pick n mix

[strong gulch]

Which one is that?

[lethal lagoon]

More like you missed stealing warpfire

[strong gulch]

:boogerfrog:

[lethal lagoon]

[split lance]

please show me on the chart where i stole any warpfire

[lethal lagoon]

https://tenor.com/view/spongebob-meme-and-patrick-mocking-gif-15126573

[split lance]

why werent you stealing mine when you had shriek then?

thats bc its my warpfire

[lethal lagoon]

Too much work

[split lance]

and ur trying to steal it

[lethal lagoon]

Also I wasn't running wildfire

[split lance]

[lethal lagoon]

[split lance]

https://tenor.com/view/lenin-cat-communism-ussr-soviet-gif-15638833026408186724

[strong gulch]

I don't remember what tragic build I'm running. I think I from Agent.

[runic juniper]

I never realized that wildfire is actually good for stealing stacks lol

[strong gulch]

Yes

[nocturne dust]

Wildfire is thievery meta

[split lance]

literally all mine arer from him, MAYBE a slight change but rarely

[dusk void]

I can help you

[split lance]

i didnt steal any warpfire

do not listen to them

theyre liars

and thieves

[sick sparrow]

4 diff specialists

[split lance]

and adulterers

[sick sparrow]

cool

[dusk void]

What Strike Team?

[lethal lagoon]

You think I"m hot enough to cheat on someone?

[sick sparrow]

up to you

[split lance]

ur so hot id be surprised youd be able to settle on one

[lethal lagoon]

[dusk void]

Join 27

[runic juniper]

yeah the receipts dont add up BUD

im calling the mods on you

[split lance]

ur just bad at math

[nocturne dust]

huh, I didn't realize my defensive stats were so good since I kept DCing

I thought I took a lot of damage

[split lance]

can you ask them to make me one please. ill only move people out of 69 so i can use it

[strong gulch]

LMAO

I died but I didn't get downed. I must have insta died.

[wicked hornet]

so is it better to run toughness or health on curios

[prime elk]

health until 200, toughness after that

[compact cargo]

Toughness for Havok

[strong gulch]

Largely personal pref.

The general rec is 200 hp and 1 sniper resist. That lets you tank a sniper shot and 2 bursters.

Edit to add This is for regular auric dams

[compact cargo]

Otherwise hp-toughness-stam

[clear heath]

imo you actualy want some health for havoc
The fucking goo that just corrupts your hp directly

[compact cargo]

Healot

[strong gulch]

Yeah. I see merit to either.

I honestly don't know.

[clear heath]

also health curios are additive with the hp penalty from havoc, while toughness curios multiply with the toughness penalty, so toughness loses a bit of value

[compact cargo]

Or infernus

[compact cargo]

Toughness is flat last time I checked, -20 per lvl

[nocturne dust]

201, isn't it?

[clear heath]

no it multiplies with toughness. That was clarified a couple days ago and i think combine updated their guide

[compact cargo]

Odd then numeric ui is bugged

[strong gulch]

If you you're good about stick to your yellow toughness or bubble buddy but tend to step in goo, health might be your friend.

If you need every bit of toughness you can get because you get tagged, more toughness might be better.

But after awhile things can just one shot you in havoc, so the rec on HP that Json said for goo might be overall better.

[clear heath]

and syllo double checked by checking the datamine

[compact cargo]

[clear heath]

modifiers here https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3375980903

anyways yeah i'd run a mix of both anyways

That does mean that toughness from tree is way more valuable relatively

cause without tree toughness, you'd only have 30 base toughness left

[split lance]

I take 2 tough. Imo it’s much better you can get toughness back instantly. Cant get health back instantly.

[strong gulch]

Yeah, right now I have two toughness curios and as many +15 toughness node as I can get.

[clear heath]

yeah i run 2 tough 1 hp

[strong gulch]

I got 2 tough and 1 stam. I can't manage my stams good.

[split lance]

On my surge runs tho I’ve been running same build as before. Only 80 toughness in 30s havoc. lol

[clear heath]

tfw 2x 15 toughness nodes on tree are actually doubling your toughness in havoc

although you'd naturally path through at least 2 anyways

[strong gulch]

yes. I dropped warp rider for a toughness node

I have teammates for damage.

I can probably give one up and take warp rider again, but things have been working.

[split lance]

https://tenor.com/view/green-mile-im-tired-boss-michael-clarke-duncan-gif-2375696290766999196

[strong gulch]

From eating all of those soulblaze stacks I've been feeding you.

[clear heath]

our base toughness got buffed to 75 and then havoc does -45
Imagine if they didn't buff our base

[strong gulch]

RIGHT?

[split lance]

Hey hey hey. Before surgery I had some legit big warpfire dmg

I think

[nocturne dust]

TOUGHNESS REGEN SPEED GAMING

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1046914150363844779/1313803542196391936/elmopsyker.gif

[clear heath]

yeah but unfortunately:

i dunno how that interacts with curios, probably multiplies

[nocturne dust]

That's still a +40% from curios, and you can get more depending on the composition

Zealot has a few nodes that boost toughness regen

and vet, and oggie

[clear heath]

I imagine one day some insane people are gonna try doing a challenge run of no tree no curio havoc

and they're gonna step in thinking "why the fuck do i have 30 toughness?"

[nocturne dust]

no tree, no curio, grey weapons, solo

[compact cargo]

Havok true solo

[summer prairie]

it's also the same buff as curios, which is additive

[compact cargo]

We'll likely see a no keystone, grey weapon havok 40 first

[split lance]

Bubble boost regen right

[split lance]

Gimme 20min

[clear heath]

oh, that's actually nice for regen speed users then

[nocturne dust]

regen speed winning

[upbeat kestrel]

Mk6 great sword is noice

[nocturne dust]

I prefer mk6

[strong gulch]

Remember that bug that let one psyker put down like 6 bubbles?? That would be so silly now.

[ornate hamlet]

Is there a melee psyker build with brain burst?

[strong gulch]

@radiant frigate Melee BB build?

[upbeat kestrel]

I think assail is better option here

[compact cargo]

I mean with increased elites we can duo stack shields if gunners aren't too abusive

[strong gulch]

Melee, gunker, and assail are more or less the same builds.

[compact cargo]

Muh finess damage

[nocturne dust]

Gunker is Meleeker is Assailker

https://tenor.com/view/uncanny-emoji-angry-hakayaki-hakayaki-angry-emoji-gif-13101565263917230073

which honestly sucks, I want to see a left side meleeker

[strong gulch]

I mean we could have like 25 bubbles up at the same time.

[compact cargo]

Could still run scrier with warp siphon

100% uptime

[clear heath]

I've been running smite with mostly melee

[nocturne dust]

FGS comes close, actually. Isn't quite there because, y'know, soulblaze doesn't do crap with the ranged attack which would be the main way for it to work, but eh

[compact cargo]

[ornate hamlet]

Cool

I really enjoy assail

[nocturne dust]

Scrier's isn't left side

[clear heath]

and by "running smite", i mean never using it and just pathing for psykinetic's aura and malefic

[ornate hamlet]

I just don’t know what to run for it

I’m assuming scriers gaze?

[compact cargo]

There's many things in left side!

[strong gulch]

The only way to have both.

[nocturne dust]

I hate that Fatshark has clearly decided the left side is staff and the right side is everything else

[split lance]

Just path to bb and get kf. Smh smh

[compact cargo]

Altho, having something for melee psyker in the venting shriek instead of the useless damage

Could be a nice rework

[nocturne dust]

Doubles melee attack range for 30 seconds

Let me have real ranged melee

[compact cargo]

[nocturne dust]

none of this warp slice nonsense, give me BIG SWORD

[clear heath]

that'd be so goofy with fgs

[split lance]

I thought you called venting shriek useless damage for a second and almost lost my mind

[compact cargo]

"Staff melee infused with warp energy"

[upbeat kestrel]

I was using left side with fgs and smite most of the time

[clear heath]

fgs already hits almost 5 meters away

[fresh reef]

Is shriek viable for Havoc 40?

[nocturne dust]

https://tenor.com/view/sword-gif-24619830

[nocturne dust]

if you have other psykers for bubble, probably

or are really, really good at the game

[clear heath]

agent seems to think so, if other people have bubble

[split lance]

If you have at least one other bubble Psyker

It’s quite good

[fresh reef]

Okay, so bubble still mandatory to have in the team

[split lance]

Yes

[nocturne dust]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1046914150363844779/1313803542196391936/elmopsyker.gif

[fresh reef]

(I'm usually the only psyker in my runs)

[clear heath]

I imagine shriek is helping with quelling for staff spamming too because of the quell speed penalty

[ornate hamlet]

So what would be the skill tree?

[fresh reef]

I just feel like I'm really bad with shields

[split lance]

Bubble trauma would be ur best bet then

[summer prairie]

a few choir zealots is a fine replacement

[strong gulch]

That was a 32 but yeah if you are not the only psyker, you can do shriek.

[split lance]

Stg. Ima use shriek in 40

God couldn’t stop me

[ornate hamlet]

So should I just run bubble instead of scriers?

[split lance]

Yes

[ornate hamlet]

And run assail as well

[nocturne dust]

Yes

[ornate hamlet]

Ok

[split lance]

I don’t like assail in havoc

[nocturne dust]

Bubble is sooooooooooooo nice for Havoc it's insane

[strong gulch]

I will support you in your screaming.

[split lance]

Enemies too tanky

[split lance]

:)

[nocturne dust]

The ranged buffs are too ridiculous

[fresh reef]

Do you need to have a bubble on the team?

[ornate hamlet]

So BB?

[split lance]

I like bb for kf

[ornate hamlet]

Kf?

[split lance]

Kinetic flayer

[nocturne dust]

No, but you will have much, much, much, much, much, much harder of a time

[ornate hamlet]

I see

[clear heath]

you ideally want something to deal with ranged pressure, zealot chorus works too

[nocturne dust]

Like, the difference is extreme

[clear heath]

or just insanely good coordination

[ornate hamlet]

What should I path for?

[compact cargo]

Tauntgryn is a decent replacement in certain maps for bubble psyker
Makes shotgunners and shooters irrelevant allowing bubble to be used less often and increasing dps a bit thanks to taunt

[nocturne dust]

a 3 oggie and zealot comp was run on Havoc 40

[ornate hamlet]

Skill tree wise?

Idk what nodes are mandatory for psyker

[strong gulch]

You mean scrier's in havoc?

[ornate hamlet]

Yeah

[summer prairie]

if you play very slowly you should be able to clear 40 without bubble or choir

[fresh reef]

I want to get good with shriek but it's just so hard when a single scab stalker flanks me every two seconds

[ornate hamlet]

Yeah, but I feel people don’t like playing slow

Especially in this game

[clear heath]

If you can't survive without bubble, just use bubble

[ornate hamlet]

Otherwise, scriers?

[nocturne dust]

Yeah, but that's so slow

[summer prairie]

kind of defeats the point if you have to go slow though, except for challenge purposes

[split lance]

Shriek surge is insanely op

[strong gulch]

I have not tried that so idk. I am sure it can be done. Like @summer prairie said, you'll have to move slowly and deliberately.

[split lance]

Use it in auric mael

To practice

[summer prairie]

what's op isn't really surge there, more several psykers with psykinetic

[strong gulch]

This is true.

[split lance]

Are you replying to me?

[summer prairie]

yes

[split lance]

Surge shriek is extremely strong if ur a solo psyker

[summer prairie]

in havoc

[clear heath]

If you're trying to run a melee build yeah, although your team would probably really appreciate the bubble too

[summer prairie]

your breakpoints aren't too hot with surge in high havoc, but with shriek spam it doesn't matter

especially with another psyker applying sb

[fresh reef]

Does smite serve as an alternative to bubble?

[split lance]

Oh in havoc it’s still op but yea. U need another Psyker with bubble

[clear heath]

FGS actually does okay without scriers anyways

[ocean cipher]

hows the new sword

[split lance]

Solo psyker you have to run bubble for sure

And bubble surge imo isn’t that great

[ocean cipher]

whats wrong w/ bubble surge

[mossy oyster]

does smite completely nullify gunners, regen toughness for everyone, nullify trappers, and turn off BoN?

[strong gulch]

I don't think so imo, because some of the range is so far away.

There is overlap tho.

[split lance]

I just don’t like it.

[ocean cipher]

also hows the new force sword? boutta give it a try

[split lance]

Feels like

[clear heath]

good

try it

[ocean cipher]

thinking of running bubble/surge/FGS

not sure what ranged to use tho=

[clear heath]

running the same thing

it works

[strong gulch]

FGS is good. A bit slow for my tastes, but it handle everything well.

[heady kiln]

dump stat on electrokinetic force staff?

[split lance]

What matters more is so long as there’s another Psyker that has bubble

Cuz if not

Ur

[strong gulch]

warp resist

[split lance]

They don’t even have to add any sb

But it’s hard to not do that as Psyker. Even rending trauma you’ll get some sb stacks up

[summer prairie]

the big damage comes from you either killing elites faster than others or there being another psyker with psykinetic

[split lance]

From killing elites

[summer prairie]

or both

[fresh reef]

Also,are the stagger theasholds a problem for our cc tools? (EK, trauma, etc)

[split lance]

Trauma will stagger everything

[ocean cipher]

whats ur build? i suck at building stuff
and what ranged should i use for it

[nocturne dust]

no

[summer prairie]

shriek is like half of your damage

[split lance]

Exactly

And surge kills elites very fast

[summer prairie]

well in havoc the breakpoints are worse, hence there being SB on everything helps

[split lance]

So ur getting shriek very fast

[strong gulch]

I have't experienced any yet so idk. Of course there's the odd "why is this burster immune to pushes" crap sometimes.

[split lance]

Idek what breakpoint means

[summer prairie]

so you can one-shot most elites

[main wyvern]

i just did a mega easy auric maelstrom because it was on heresy

[split lance]

Ooooh

[main wyvern]

is that how everyone got their gold titles

[split lance]

It’s a 2 shot mostly

[haughty star]

i straight up pushed a pb and had a dog bowl it right back towards me earlier lol

[split lance]

Which is still faster

And still gonna get you to shriek more and faster

[haughty star]

no. most people got them by leaving the game when you go down which doesn't work anymore

[heady kiln]

does crit chance work on right click attack for the electrokinetic force staff?

[split lance]

I shoulda recorded my last game

[split lance]

Yes

[heady kiln]

oh wow

[clear heath]

Well, this isn't exactly the most optimal thing to be running, mostly picking some stuff because i like them but:
FGS with electro staff
Got past havoc 32 with it so far. Thinking of moving the 15 toughness node to cruel fortune because DD stacks are getting harder to keep up as i go up

[heady kiln]

ty

[split lance]

Crit + kf = almost everything dead

[strong gulch]

Some did. Some also alt f4 when they got downed to avoid it counting as a death (can't do that now). Others got it by playing regular.

[ocean cipher]

no soublaze nodes?

[clear heath]

ngl you could probably do better damage with trauma staff but i just like the lightning

[strong gulch]

NOOOOOO lmao

rude

[ocean cipher]

also isnt empowered psionics like, basically mandatory on smite

[haughty star]

no

[clear heath]

Perilous combustion isn't doing enough with no other soulblaze sources. Bubble is basically mandatory for havoc so i don't have shriek

[split lance]

If ya wanna get kills. Yes

[haughty star]

shriek does decent damage while holding with smite

obviously it's alot better but in his case he's grabbing smite for empathment and stunlocking gunners

[clear heath]

mandatory for making smite deal damage yes
but i'm not actually using smite for damage, or even using it at all. I'm pathing to psykinetic's aura and malefic momentum

[ocean cipher]

ah ok

makey sensey

[clear heath]

The idea is i use the staff for stacking malefic and keeping peril up, and melee a lot.
This is far more effort than just a dedicated staff or melee build, and sometimes i fuck up and drop stacks, but it's pretty fun to try to aim for

I can feel myself getting better at it the more i play it

[ocean cipher]

i personally think id have more fun with empowered since im not doing high hazard a whole lot rn

im generally doing 3-4s while i try to get my gear online

[nocturne dust]

Sir, fun is illegal

https://tenor.com/view/jail-right-to-jail-right-away-parks-and-recreation-parks-and-rec-gif-16177531

[clear heath]

results are pretty good so far in havoc 32. Getting decent melee damage

[haughty star]

empowered smite is only "fun" on top tier difficulties

[ocean cipher]

also hows this

and

[haughty star]

ope

[strong gulch]

This will work, but warp resist is the dump.

[haughty star]

dumped the wrong thing there big dog

at least it's not like the olden days

[ocean cipher]

is defenses not the dump?

[haughty star]

nah wr is

[nocturne dust]

Embrace the warp

[clear heath]

low warp res is a benefit in some cases

[nocturne dust]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1046914150363844779/1313803542196391936/elmopsyker.gif

[magic kayak]

No you want mobility

[haughty star]

it's peril gen is crazy either way and it has ass handling

[magic kayak]

higher peril is technically better since so much scales off it

[clear heath]

A lot of people here are aiming for lower warp res swords and leaving them not fully upgraded to keep it low

i have one that's 40% warp res

[nocturne dust]

That's not why you dump warp res

[clear heath]

too poor to look for lower

[magic kayak]

how is it not?

[haughty star]

one with the warp and some additive damage from warp rider is kinda okay

[nocturne dust]

You dump warp res because it scales like trash

[magic kayak]

and because to do damage with psyker you almost always need to be higher peril

[ocean cipher]

also hows my girl Valleni look

[nocturne dust]

No, because you can get to high peril either way

[split lance]

Imagine not being on the verge of exploding

Couldn’t be me

[haughty star]

lol the high peril is not a neccesity but a bonus

[magic kayak]

exactly. ARe you even edging?

[haughty star]

warp rider doesn't do THAT much

it's additive

[split lance]

I’m a hardcore edger

[nocturne dust]

and arguably, higher warp res is better for that because you get more shots off while at high peril unless you are at the extreme of edging where you are at 100% all the time

[clear heath]

yeah for a staff, you're just dumping warp res cause it doesn't scale much

[split lance]

This me on blaze trauma. And with bubble. I’m fucking terrified

[magic kayak]

yeah but the FGS only gens peril from its activated slice which you hardly do anyways

[clear heath]

for a sword you actually do want lower warp res though

[ocean cipher]

been tryna get the Stygius III and the Obscurus MK IIIG, but those penances have been kinda pain for me

[magic kayak]

if it was a staff sure, higher warp res

[haughty star]

you got it backwards holmes

[wicked hornet]

is base health 150?

[nocturne dust]

si, but also eh

[haughty star]

staves actually quell well and benefit from warp rider

[clear heath]

Just from the way you use the swords, there's never really a time where you want to save peril after using the special

[nocturne dust]

slice to staff

[magic kayak]

right and quell is fast anyways, the void slice has decent knockback to make room for a staff swap to quell

into teabag

[nocturne dust]

Quell is fast but quell takes time regardless

Time spent quelling is time not killing

[clear heath]

okay for illisi that's kinda valid usecase but not really important
FGS uses so much peril this is kinda fucked anyways

[fathom egret]

How does one brain burst effectively? It seems kinda weird to use

[magic kayak]

I dont even know what we are discussing since peril gen is the dump stat no matter the reason lol

[clear heath]

deimos you just don't use the special for combat so it's literally only peril generation

[nocturne dust]

FGS only uses less than 30% which is pretty manageable if you don't dump it beyond 60%

[magic kayak]

I like apples. No. You like a fruit.

[haughty star]

that warp rider is not the reason you want low res lol

[nocturne dust]

we are discussing the reason tho

That is literally what we are discussing, the reason behind dumping warp res

[clear heath]

I thought it was higher

I guess with ER

[nocturne dust]

🤔

Actually I don't recall if that's with ER or not

[haughty star]

as far as i've seen the little bit of additive damage from warp rider and even the multiplicative power bonus from the blessing doesn't really do much good for the sword tbh

[clear heath]

I haven't been running ER builds as of late so i guess my perception of it is just that it generates a lot

[haughty star]

but i still need to download creature spawner

[split lance]

I do

Get rekt

[haughty star]

maybe on havoc where hitmass is higher it makes a diff

[clear heath]

wtf

anyways peril is also nice for quietude

and warp splitting since we're talking about melee weapons

[nocturne dust]

Is that what you were doing in our Havoc

[main wyvern]

i am such a dueling sword enjoyer now

[split lance]

Yep

[nocturne dust]

bruh

[split lance]

Every single run

I used Deimos ability

[nocturne dust]

Did nobody tell you to use h2 instead?

[split lance]

I used both

I used it all

[haughty star]

everyone's a duelling sword enjoyer

[split lance]

Mostly for the boss tho

The captains

[haughty star]

even the ones that claim to hate it. it's a murder stick

[main wyvern]

i never gave it a chance. felt wrong to not use a force sword

but now...

[split lance]

Fr

I have a ds and I still barely use it

[nocturne dust]

Hhhhmmm, isn't h2 still better damage?

[split lance]

The ability did a lot to the shield

For actually hitting him I did l1 h2

[nocturne dust]

I'ma have to test that

but tomorrow, as always

[haughty star]

iirc doesnt the charged do more on non headshot and the stabby do more with finesse?

[split lance]

It did quite a lot I’d say

[clear heath]

I assume it just multi hits and shreds the shield like a chainsword does

[haughty star]

or is it just outright better lol

[split lance]

Substantial enough I kept going

[nocturne dust]

h2 is outright better

[clear heath]

I think i remember doing that with obscurus back in the day actually

[split lance]

Yeah

Exactly

[nocturne dust]

h2 does slightly less damage but takes so much less time and you combo it either from l1 or h1 which both do quite a bit of damage as well

[clear heath]

captain shields just get destroyed by the multi hit rev specials

[main wyvern]

ok but it's not as cool as using the force

[haughty star]

at the expense of that fuck you factor

[split lance]

Fax

[nocturne dust]

Sure it is

Walk up to a crusher and tell it to sit down

[split lance]

I do. Everyday

[main wyvern]

you can tell it or you can force it

[nocturne dust]

Stupid force suck blade won't do that

[split lance]

Every damn day

[haughty star]

only cool part about the wanna be eviscerator deimos

[nocturne dust]

Do both by poking its eye out

[celest valve]

suuuure

i'll take that

[split lance]

DO NOT TAKE THAT

[haughty star]

i'm super stoked that my braindead wanna be zealot psyker is working out well. the bois are finally gonna be on tomorrow night so we can finally progress in havoc a lil more

[nocturne dust]

no

Voidblast really, really wants blast radius

It is Voidstrike that dumps blast radius

[celest valve]

oh right. void strike.

[haughty star]

don't furget void burn

[nocturne dust]

Thanks Fatshark for the names

[haughty star]

and void zap

coming next update

[nocturne dust]

You mean Voidblaze and Electrovoid?

[haughty star]

i actually can't even talk shit on fuckshark rn they been going crazy this year

[celest valve]

i blame a force greatsword induced haze

[haughty star]

the FGS being pretty much outright better than the relic was a bold choice but whatever

hopefully they don't nerf the piss out of it it's fun not running deimos or ds

[celest valve]

look. do you *not * want to dab on the zealots, or no

also it's fine every zealot thinks the FGS sucks and the relic sword is the best thing ever

[haughty star]

oh no. they know

[nocturne dust]

Huh? I'm not sure about that impression

[mental grail]

Relic blade looks sicker though

[haughty star]

they have gifs and whatnot of deleting 30 ragers with creature spawner from the charge strike

[celest valve]

unless something changed there were people talking about how disappointing the FGS was last night over there but

[mental grail]

Relic blade Mk 2 legit is beautiful

[celest valve]

and then a smol tap ruins your charge /j

[haughty star]

honestly a worthy price albeit annoying

[nocturne dust]

I supremely dislike the relic blades and their movesets

[haughty star]

i like the 10 cuz braindead light spam and cleaving back and forth heavies

[celest valve]

they're like way faster than the force greatsword movement speed wise

[nocturne dust]

I like the 10 more but... they feel kinda dumb

[celest valve]

but also FGS has a weird floaty movement curve

also a downright ridiculous range

[nocturne dust]

like, idk, I would expect them to have some sort of combo to kill elites better

[haughty star]

not with out the zealotness removed lol

[haughty star]

the naruto sprint stab is the way

[nocturne dust]

😭

[haughty star]

or whoever idk anime

it is gnarly tho, just straight up disrespects crushers lol

[nocturne dust]

It feels very bad to run at an elite and stab it in the head just for it to look at you and return the gift with a backhand.

[celest valve]

also. i'm not 100% proud of making a dump stat over than mobility for a knife.

[nocturne dust]

[celest valve]

but

i wanteed to go fast

[nocturne dust]

Maybe I'm using it wrong, I don't really Zealot a ton, but it does not feel like it bullies crushers at all

[haughty star]

you gotta charge it while running

[nocturne dust]

The Crusher bullies crushers, lol

[nocturne dust]

[celest valve]

and penetration seemed like the best dump stat that reduces the damage the least

[haughty star]

the heavy that is

charge and release without letting go of sprint and it'll one tap crushers

[nocturne dust]

The speed stat doesn't even scale great

Dump it

[haughty star]

with the fury shit

[nocturne dust]

[celest valve]

no, be jelly

[nocturne dust]

oh

no I do that

[haughty star]

but yeah some of the combos in the chain are just bleh

[celest valve]

counterpoint: the sound

the sound it makes on swing

[nocturne dust]

is bad

[haughty star]

especially stacked up against the FGS 6

[nocturne dust]

it's just power sword sounds

which are meh

[celest valve]

also yeah i can't stand the FGS 6 the FGS 8 has a much more fun moveset sorry

[haughty star]

ehhh

[nocturne dust]

[haughty star]

fgs 6 disposes of elites so much faster lol

[celest valve]

length shaming the veterans

[celest valve]

then i die cause horde

[haughty star]

light spam

[nocturne dust]

git gud

[haughty star]

orr

[celest valve]

or iunno i use one of the few not strikedown/stabs.

[haughty star]

use the charge to clear everything out around them

[nocturne dust]

It's not even light spam, the combo is lights until a diagonal from bottom right to top left, then you do a heavy, then repeat (it's not a specific number of lights because it can change based on how you start)

[haughty star]

light spam is mostly sweeps

[celest valve]

that only clears out maybe 10 enemies

[nocturne dust]

Do you not run wrath?

[haughty star]

wrath my beloved

no he's prolly one of those nerds that thinks it needs unstable and riposte or smth idk

[ocean cipher]

whatre the blessings to go for on surge and force gs?

[haughty star]

warp flurry/nexus and wrath and whatever the hell your lil heart desires

genuinely a use case where it probably is inconsequential enough to just run what you like lol

[celest valve]

i do run wrath but i may not have fully used the range

[dusk void]

I hate it when randos join a mission, die, and then rage quit because no one was there to save them. I had a lot of players swap out in mission because of that. THIS NEEDS TO STOP

[nocturne dust]

It's not the range that saves you

Hit them, push them, dodge

[celest valve]

yes or i could turn off brain and lmb go brrrr

[haughty star]

i use momentum on mine just cuz it's nice having the toughness spam for fuckups cuz i'm not perfect and neither is my audio situation lol

[ocean cipher]

might just go wrath/deflector

[nocturne dust]

You can still do that with mk6

[celest valve]

i'm currently going wrath/deflector

[nocturne dust]

I do that with mk6

[celest valve]

deflector is so incredibly fun

[celest valve]

has a strikedown

[haughty star]

i run recon

[nocturne dust]

and?

[haughty star]

better than deflector with ee

[celest valve]

strikedown does not push back the hordes of DOOM

[nocturne dust]

Firstly, you shouldn't trust Fatshark's labelling of attacks

Secondly, it's fine

[haughty star]

yeah it's literally fine

[celest valve]

i mean they literally labeled every single attack correctly in the patch notes so

[haughty star]

unless there's a mauler or carager or crusher in the pack i just light spam on the 6 mostly

[nocturne dust]

Correctly to whom?

[haughty star]

the strikedowns are nice for the occasional shotgunner or rager that filters through without having to switch to heavies

[celest valve]

that's fair although I find that light strikedowns usually do not have the punch to go through

[haughty star]

they do for most of the smaller elites after they've aten a slice or two of the FGS pie

okay that was dumb but you get my point

[celest valve]

also it's fun to push a mauler onto the ground and then FACESTAB like a cool medieval fighting move

[haughty star]

i ran 8 for a long time and the 6 was just like NUTT

[celest valve]

but fine i can try the 6 again

[haughty star]

now imagine that but you don't have to do a 37 second long push to access it

[celest valve]

(second long)

(modified by attack speed i believe but would have to check)

[haughty star]

we don't have anything to modify attack speed

other than the one

but i'm not counting that one because i'm obstinate

[celest valve]

12 fucking rangers ok then

also i really hate the first attack

[haughty star]

i dislike the first heavy but i access the 2nd by swiping a light out quick

[celest valve]

the first light is a strikedown that can't commit to being a strikedown

so it's a 'vanguard'

but it's a coward and a traitor.

[haughty star]

it also has good impact so it usually bowls em back

[celest valve]

this uis true but does not help against aggressive anti ranged maneuvers when I need a kill now

also mk8 golf swing decapitating someone on a slide is incredible

also i swear mk8 strikedown does more damage

[nocturne dust]

It does less

[strong gulch]

If you like the mk8 better, stick with it.

[nocturne dust]

Yes, but also acknowledge the superior of the mk6

Or I'll be upset

[ripe obsidian]

Shooters are scary in havoc. One shooter at havoc 30 drops me from full health and toughness to like 50% HP

[nocturne dust]

yeh

There's a reason bubble is recommend for Havoc

[celest valve]

DOES it do more damage?

or uh less

[nocturne dust]

mk6? Yes, it does more damage