psyker-class

[thorn cedar]

"The specail doesn't even kill anything." Many such complaints.

[clear heath]

the only major downside of fgs is the dodges being bad

[nocturne dust]

To be fair the range on the ranged slice is kinda trash for damage.

[thorn cedar]

real bad

[clear heath]

which i can live with, but it does matter

[agile mural]

requires using it like that does need those charges hella bad

[nocturne dust]

You ain't gonna snipe any sniper specials with that slice.

[lone ravine]

it has enough stagger to push dogs at any charge at least

[patent mango]

u wanna snipe with a sword?

[spice veldt]

charges are frankly pretty easy to accrue

[nocturne dust]

Yes

[spice veldt]

and you also get them from just using the sword normally

[nocturne dust]

[patent mango]

thats for the force polearm silly

[spice veldt]

and getting bonus charges on elites/specials

[clear heath]

simply steal more kills on crushers

[nocturne dust]

[spice veldt]

shlerp

[lone ravine]

3rd sword variant thats a very long ranged vertical swipe when

[spice veldt]

shlorp

[patent mango]

i really like the charge mechanic

its so jolly

[nocturne dust]

Only as a main weapon, but then you have to deal with all the problems of meleeker

[spice veldt]

you can always just use staff/blitz to deal with problems that melee can't trivially deal with

[patent mango]

bistol em

[spice veldt]

and you don't have to make insane build choices for meleeker such that you can't use staff/blitz normally

[agile mural]

the mechanic is neat; not saying it isnt but since to build the charges needs using it; and im very rarely gonna use it except to kill bosses; id still just barely have anything charged in it when i need to do ...that.

[spice veldt]

and the fgs is very workable as a main weapon

[clear heath]

if you're only using it to kill bosses, then yeah just use a dueling sword

[nocturne dust]

Sure, but why not also ranged slice side weapon?

[clear heath]

fgs is a generalist weapon

[nocturne dust]

[spice veldt]

you can

i'm not saying that you an't

[nocturne dust]

not really

[patent mango]

im just waiting for charged strike buff to put my 15 toughness node into

[spice veldt]

yes you can?

[nocturne dust]

The charge is a bit problematic for a side weapon

[spice veldt]

yes

of course

it's worse than if you use it as a main weapon

that much is obvious

[agile mural]

really wish the pots would be fixed by now tho it really shouldnt have taken this long

[nocturne dust]

It's drastically worse

[spice veldt]

but the fact remains that you can still use it as a secondary depending on how much you weave in melee

[clear heath]

the decay doesn't feel that fast

[patent mango]

the point of the charge is to make melee psyker actually worth imo

[lone ravine]

i love how the havoc armors "obtained from penance" is actually bugged for psyker

[nocturne dust]

You will rarely ever get to full charge if you use it as a side, it constantly decays, and you lose it the instant you get hit

[spice veldt]

1 essence lost per 8 seconds is pretty minimal

[lone ravine]

chat no way, havoc pants from smitkyer penance!!!

[patent mango]

yeah the essence loss is super slowww

[vapid sparrow]

best blessings for inferno staff ?

[spice veldt]

i think you deserve to lose it anyways if you're barely using the sword that much

[clear heath]

just
kill a small group of enemies

[patent mango]

like insanely slow

[nocturne dust]

The ranged slice is mostly a main weapon thing, it is not really useful as a side weapon

[thorn cedar]

half charge is already plenty

[nocturne dust]

No

[spice veldt]

yes

[nocturne dust]

[clear heath]

finish off big enemies with the fgs

[nocturne dust]

No

[lone ravine]

i just use it for knocking dogs off through walls

simple as

[nocturne dust]

pretty much

[agile mural]

thats a valid one

[thorn cedar]

replace the shitty warp splice blessing with one where you earn essence on all your kills at a reduced rate but it now works without having it in hand

[patent mango]

noooo

[nocturne dust]

Replace warp slice with a blessing that gives you essence over time

[clear heath]

if you're mixing melee and staff, you can lower enemy hp with your staff first and then finish off with the sword.
The sword doesn't need to be doing the entire job. It doesn't need to be a full meleeker

the sword just needs to steal the kill

[lone ravine]

honestly

just make it gain a stack at warpslice cooldown speed

ez

[spice veldt]

heaven decrees that you must glue the handle of the sword to your palms

[lone ravine]

much better than a crit every 50/40/30/20 seconds

[agile mural]

relentless strikes and uncanny strike are prob the picks then.

[broken carbon]

take revolver and only use it to kill trappers and specials

the it’s it

that’s it*

[thorn cedar]

my beloved demanded it so

[patent mango]

i still want the charge to be gained only through melee

[broken carbon]

if u use it for anything else u must die

[patent mango]

its so jolly

[lone ravine]

honestly i can see at least one charge max being able to be passively gained

[unkempt patio]

which staff do I want to use for carapace?

[nocturne dust]

Yeah, a full charge slice would make way more sense than a crit for a slice, wtf was Fatshark cooking when they made warp slice

[clear heath]

no take autopistol so it can only kill trappers

[nocturne dust]

No

[patent mango]

yes

[broken carbon]

voidstrike or electro staff,

trauma does mediocre damage but will stagger it all over the place

[clear heath]

inspiring barrage autopistol for toughness regen

[agile mural]

not flame; all others can deal with it.

[clear heath]

peak

[unkempt patio]

alright ty

[nocturne dust]

Melee is for blunts

[lone ravine]

penetrating flame on purgatus

[patent mango]

no

[nocturne dust]

yes

[patent mango]

if theres enemies to stab theres a reason to stab

[broken carbon]

voidstrike with surge can one shot a crusher on a crit

[lone ravine]

im sorry im too busy burning them all to death to stab

[broken carbon]

melee is for good psykers to flex on bad zealots

[unkempt patio]

voidstrike with surge it is

[cosmic sigil]

https://tenor.com/view/yoda-star-wars-gif-8063259

[broken carbon]

surge/warpflurry, nexus, i don’t remember the perks

take a disrupt destiny build, with an ability of your choice

i’d say take assail for blitz but

also up to choice

[autumn lark]

ok now what if all of you just didnt get hit whilst charging the special nor let your charge decay by not killing anything before using the special

[broken carbon]

actually true!!

[nocturne dust]

if there's enemies to staff that's a reason to staff

[broken carbon]

btw does using the special without a full charge deal more damage

[nocturne dust]

https://tenor.com/view/d%26d-neckbeard-beard-dungeons-%26-dragons-world-of-warcraft-gif-10576368496366994374

[broken carbon]

haven’t been able to test it

[patent mango]

this game has staves?

[autumn lark]

cyn please reread your sentence

[nocturne dust]

https://tenor.com/view/jesse-enkamp-karate-nerd-bo-kobudo-kata-gif-25702421

[broken carbon]

what

[nocturne dust]

Force Quarterstaff when

[autumn lark]

you should be able to answer your own question if you think about it

[broken carbon]

fuck u mean

[autumn lark]

why would it do more damage without a full charge

[mossy oyster]

i havent done psyk numbers but imagine it like this 0 charge (normal melee) charge it (maybe 50 more melee dmg)

[broken carbon]

i meant more than the base

stinker

maybe u need to reread it

[mossy oyster]

either way its not very worth

[nocturne dust]

If we get a quarterstaff does that mean we need everyone to run it to get a full staff?

[mossy oyster]

to empower at 0

[broken carbon]

i’ll test it rn hold on

[mossy oyster]

for 50 more dmg

or some shit

[lyric prism]

wait ... how do the greatword bars work exactly?

what do they do?

[acoustic isle]

breaks in damage last i checked lol

[autumn lark]

kill shit and get a wider and more damaging energy slice

[acoustic isle]

as in first bar does x damage on wave 2 bars is 2x damage on wave

[autumn lark]

btw para does the attack with the sword itself do damage during the special

or only the cleave projectile

[nocturne dust]

yes

[acoustic isle]

here is a better question

do your blessings and perks affect the wave too?

[broken carbon]

yes

[acoustic isle]

as in bonus cleave from wrath, does it give the wave more cleave?

[nocturne dust]

About 1200 on a heavy which stacks with wave damage iirc

[clear heath]

...it has infinite cleave

[patent mango]

not enoug

[nocturne dust]

the melee has infinite cleave too

[agile mural]

wish warpsplitting worked on primary click for staffs

[acoustic isle]

wasnt aware the beam had infinite cleave lol

[broken carbon]

it technically does, but it’s not enough cleave to actually go through another enemy iirc

even through groaners

[mossy oyster]

ye

[agile mural]

well ye, thats what i mean, it dont cuz it aint enough of a boost

[nocturne dust]

it is

when you're near 100% peril

warp unbound gaming

[agile mural]

no, even at 100% peril shooting it goes through nothing

[nocturne dust]

I literally tested warp splitting in the psykh on groaners with staff lmb

It goes through

[agile mural]

wait wat

[celest valve]

                cooldown_duration = 30,
            },
            {
                cooldown_duration = 25,
            },
            {
                cooldown_duration = 20,
            },
            {
                cooldown_duration = 15,
            },```

15 seconds btw :p

for warp slice

[nocturne dust]

You have to be very close to 100% peril

[broken carbon]

oh i didn’t know

neat

[nocturne dust]

for it to work, so it's kinda worthless

unless you're on warp unbound

[agile mural]

i simply cannot get it to work

[zinc phoenix]

So far my experience of pugging havoc:

• high teens and low twenties: nobody knows what they are doing and wants to play it like AM. Most don’t understand roles or want to change their builds for them. Most teams lose
• high twenties: don’t understand roles, are willing to change builds mostly. Generally better players
• low thirties: mostly willing to change builds and but may not want to fully play the role. Generally solid play, few major errors
• low teens and single digits: they seem to have wandered in by mistake. Fun power fantasy zone if you know how to play

[nocturne dust]

I'll take a video later. Unless they changed something, I originally tested it when warp splitting was first released. Day of, in fact.

[zinc phoenix]

I haven’t had a chance to play past low 30s yet

[acoustic isle]

best way i've shorthanded it to friends. you're doing a WOW raid with 4 people and everyone MUST do their role

end of story

no wiggle room

do it or die

[zinc phoenix]

So no thoughts on high 30s

[zinc phoenix]

Yeah but if you do it you win with like zero damage taken 😂

[acoustic isle]

you know you did it correctly when no one took damage

i've literally just been spamming empowered psionics with smite

[patent mango]

4 chorus

[acoustic isle]

and winning by virtue of the damage dealers can just blast lmao

rotate smite with chorus

[zinc phoenix]

Probably walk thru whole level like that, pacifist mode 😂

[patent mango]

probably

[haughty star]

Dude fucking just auric is a nightmare rn

[clear heath]

auric feels like heresy after playing enough havoc

[acoustic isle]

i take it all the rusty people who put the game down have come back for the update

[agile mural]

me

[acoustic isle]

honestly. Having been doing 30+ Havocs

[zinc phoenix]

I think the issue with havoc is that it was fun and skill based before a meta developed but is now mostly me holding down right click and occasionally wiggling out of the way of an attack or casting bubble. Which is really boring

[acoustic isle]

this makes anything Auric look like a playground

in fairness it feels like Havocs required it lol

they really did decide "Hey everyone fucking hates ranged units. we're gonna pump them fulla roids"

[lone ravine]

hey if theres just so many stims laying around why cant the enemies use them too

smh

[patent mango]

beastmen archers are back in the weaves gamemode

[ocean cipher]

dump stat on greatswords is mobility, yes?

[lone ravine]

honestly warp res

[clear heath]

warp res

[acoustic isle]

Inb4 they introduce the california methhead elite unit next. runs in and mugs you for your stim slot

[ocean cipher]

wrong class lol

[lone ravine]

also gives you a stim that gives corruption

[clear heath]

Some builds even want warp res to be lower

my beloved

[patent mango]

get warp res dump on relic blade too

[lone ravine]

what amount of peril you get from that?

[acoustic isle]

even when you dont want perils warp res the way you use that Force great sword doesnt have the special perils generation really matter all that much

[lone ravine]

like 7 whole more peril lmao

[clear heath]

ends up being 44.3 in practice because of one -5% node in my tree though

[lone ravine]

imagine if the different charge tiers gave different peril amounts

[zinc phoenix]

This would make it worse

[celest valve]

weapon_template.buffs = {
    on_equip = {
        "forcesword_wind_slash_weapon_special_primer",
    },
}``` that sounds way too cool

[zinc phoenix]

Is hugely advantageous being able to stagger stuff + build a bunch of peril

[steel flame]

im getting closer @clear heath

WHOOOOOO

ITS BEAUTIFUL

i can still do better tho

[runic kiln]

Yeah I've been using fgs to just ranged stagger gunner/ sniper and close the distance

[clear heath]

i am too poor to aim for these

[steel flame]

im still hunting for a sub 20

[clear heath]

I only have 1 mill dockets left

[celest valve]

sword damage levels: 100(low), 450(medium), 850(high)

[patent mango]

how did dt players find a new way to gamble

[celest valve]

range and falloff increases slightly each level

[clear heath]

I hope havoc chest gives like 1 million ordo or something

[patent mango]

imagine if havoc chest gave aquilas

[nocturne dust]

https://tenor.com/view/dr-evil-austin-powers-mike-myers-gif-4847051968939737639

[nocturne dust]

[lofty marsh]

https://tenor.com/view/kekw-twitch-twitchtv-twitch-emote-kek-gif-19085736

[nocturne dust]

Then they can truly forget about the docket store

[runic kiln]

Only for tier 40 cleara

[nocturne dust]

[patent mango]

lol

[nocturne dust]

https://tenor.com/view/uncanny-emoji-angry-hakayaki-hakayaki-angry-emoji-gif-13101565263917230073

[lofty marsh]

Goddamn I fuckin hate havoc lmao

[lone ravine]

honestly if it is aquilas its going to be like 60+1 per havoc rank

[patent mango]

havoc so goofy

[lofty marsh]

I appreciate the challenge, but I hate that the meta for it is literally EVERYTHING I dislike about psyker and zealot

That and the implementation of it is wack as fuck

https://tenor.com/view/wack-thatswack-hannibal-burress-ericandreshow-gif-20565184

[nocturne dust]

I was saying earlier that Havoc should have ways to enforce different hyper-specific setups

[lone ravine]

im bout to be so spooked by a random gunner once i go back into auric and be surprised that it doesnt instantly kill me

[nocturne dust]

Like making stealth really good via making daemonhosts normally unbypassable

or other shenanigans

[lofty marsh]

If a gamemode is about a hyper specific setup then it should be set up similar to being dropped in the middle of a rougelite

[clear heath]

The closest thing we currently have is just the ranged resistant enemies, but even then not really. People just burn them

[lofty marsh]

Like, you're SUPPOSED to use this build

[lone ravine]

sacrifice the player with no wounds remaining so they can respawn lmao

[nocturne dust]

https://tenor.com/view/trump-shrek-gif-19551630

[lofty marsh]

I get that you can play off meta, and I for sure do, but it's just SO punishing in havoc

[clear heath]

I kinda wish the game would actually tell you that pus-hardened was ranged resistant, because I see too many people that don't realize and just keep trying to shoot them

[lofty marsh]

Off topic, but if I see another martyrdom zealot with 4 wounds i'm gonna cry

[lone ravine]

literally all my zealots today have been martyrdom lmao

[lofty marsh]

Pus hardened also makes assail darts break

like they hit carapace

[celest valve]

        forcesword_p1_m1_finesse_stat = 0.2,
        forcesword_p1_m1_warp_charge_cost_stat = -0.2,
    }``` this seems like something you'd pick every time ![Thonk](https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/644707070364483591.webp?size=128 "Thonk")

[clear heath]

I keep seeing vets that will just never melee

[lofty marsh]

https://tenor.com/view/numeros-numbers-numero-gif-23792226

[celest valve]

overclocks still seem cool I guess but them being for the new weapon suggests even more an upcoming "overclock" system where one stat gets boosted and the other dropped

[patent mango]

what

[lone ravine]

what

[patent mango]

did i miss something again

[quick heath]

fgs perks/blessings for melee build?

[clear heath]

what overclocks?

[nocturne dust]

Are we DRG now?

[patent mango]

i think explosive rounds for lok

[lone ravine]

flak + carapace/unyield, wrath + personal choice iirc

[quick heath]

alright, sick

[celest valve]

it's something consistently seen in the scripts for the weapons, an unused 'overclocks' system that, again, has a set of 5(ish) boosts where one stat goes up, another goes down

[patent mango]

buffing finesse to 100 warp res to 0

[nocturne dust]

dumping mobility even harder

no dodge

only damage

[quick heath]

for personal choice do you have any recommendations?

[clear heath]

would actually have to think about dumps for a lot of weapons then

cause dumping mobility to 40 would lose a dodge

[lone ravine]

i use deflector since im using FGS as utility more than main weapon

but could go reposte

[nocturne dust]

I mean, for a lot of psyker stuff it'd just be 'dump warp res harder'

[clear heath]

yeah psyker would be pretty clear cut

[patent mango]

warp res to 0 summon daemonhost on cast

[clear heath]

when do i get my negative warp res?

explode immediately upon weilding the weapon

[patent mango]

idira rogue trader....

[cosmic sigil]

50 actually. Except knife and another weapon that I don't remember

[dry ivy]

nerd

[clear heath]

yes i know but i mean the system would be -20

so if you drop from 60

[cosmic sigil]

Ohhh

Collateral -20 here I come

[clear heath]

I'm not sure what i'd do for a lot of non-psyker weapons

[cosmic sigil]

Antax would have an edge against Rashad

[nocturne dust]

I mean, Dueling Sword would be fine and a lot of weapons have 2 dumps

[clear heath]

dueling sword could just drop cleave damage anyways so that'd be safe

[nocturne dust]

dueling sword has cleave damage and mobility

[marble crater]

Don't dump mobility, gotta go fast

[cosmic sigil]

Those resources are running fast

[nocturne dust]

Dump mobility, gotta get that 5 extra damage on poxwalkers

[cosmic sigil]

Gotta catch them all

[marble crater]

https://tenor.com/view/sanic-the-hedgehob-running-gotta-go-fast-fast-gif-4964355

[celest valve]

mobility 100 knife zealots

the new meta

also i think the decay system is kinda simple. you have 20 charges, 10 per level. every 8.5 seconds without getting a charge you lose one?

this is a guess there's also a 3 second 'activate_time' something

[marble crater]

I'm happy the charges stay when yo switch weapons

[runic kiln]

Yeah yhat is a nice change of pace

[uncut wedge]

I love deflector so much

[celest valve]

pls. plsssss brunt

[lofty marsh]

lmao

[celest valve]

finesse: ogryn level

[wary flame]

So how do those levels work? Is it random?

[strong gulch]

The weapon stats?

[wary flame]

Ye

New to the game

[strong gulch]

Yes. Random.

[wary flame]

[celest valve]

Not totally random. There is afaik a bias towards a perfect 60 in one stat.

[lofty marsh]

https://tenor.com/view/kekw-twitch-twitchtv-twitch-emote-kek-gif-19085736

[radiant ice]

Don’t suppose there is any Havoc 30ish games going about? Party Finder still being a pain but I’m fairly confident in the 31-32 range, happy to go higher though if you don’t mind my lower number xD

[radiant ice]

Two, 76 in all and 60 in one have a slight % increase I believe

[lofty marsh]

LMAOOO

[lofty marsh]

Down a milly

[strong gulch]

There is a place that you can buy grey / white weapons if they are unlocked. You buy until you see the dump stat that you're looking for.

That's for when you are min maxing your weapons and have the matts to do so.

Looking at Glass's weapon, you can see that the dump is warp resist. It's at 2 of 60. Everything else is out of 80. To max those you need to empower the weapon.

Before you can do that, you need weapon mastery which can be done by playing with the weapon or sacrificing them (not the same as discarding).

[patent mango]

psyker rolls worst force greatsword asked to leave psyking time

[wary flame]

Would you kindly DM me this and also explain what a dump stat is?

[patent mango]

dump stast is just the one you care the least about

not all can be 80 at once

[wary flame]

I see

[lofty marsh]

HELP

I HAVE A PROBLEM

[radiant ice]

Typically you want 60 in one stat and 80 in everything else

The one you choose to get 60 is the “dump stat”

[fathom adder]

They had to leave one RNG slot machine in the system, for nostalgia purposes

[marble crater]

I still see 1m dockets, keep buying

[strong gulch]

This should explain most things for weapon crafting. https://youtu.be/pxShYmKrKFg?si=DZ7hMiNnMGNT0grK

I'll dm it to you too.

[celest valve]

what are you even trying to get.

[strong gulch]

Tiny WR probably.

[radiant ice]

I think there was someone trying to get 80 in everything but 0 in WR, which is actually possible

[uncut wedge]

Which fgs should i use?

[radiant ice]

And then not Empower it so it stays like that

It’s just very very very very unlikely to happen

[clear heath]

okay fatshark, what the fuck is this?
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/922136978865156168/1315088773423566858/revive_teleport.mp4?ex=6756235c&is=6754d1dc&hm=2311ccf11ccca9a9a631505c9e1f0064a65aff150c609c2d5b7090839f9a585d&

[strong gulch]

Which ever one you like more. The 6 leans more single target and the 8 leans more horde clear.

[clear heath]

I just get there and the revives teleport away and a plague ogryn spawns

are you fucking kidding me?

[radiant ice]

Both are amazing, for me it depends on build

I like the 8 for general melee use, and on my electrostaff/Voidstrike builds for horde clear

I like the 6 on my inferno staff build cause the staff has horde clear, and I use the sword to assassinate elites

[uncut wedge]

I wanna be a melee boyo horde clear may be best for me

Wanna have good survivability

[radiant ice]

Then you’ll find love in the Mk8

Lights are horde clear machines

Heavy does strong overheads for flak/gunners and the like

If you push attack then heavy, you’ll do a stab that slaughters carapace like Crushers

Gives you all options separate with no windup/combo prep, as the push is great for knocking bulwark shields away or stunning crushers before the stab to the head

[uncut wedge]

Should I be running vs carapace and vs unyielding then

[radiant ice]

Typically yeah

Cause it does more than enough damage to unarmoured and flak that you don’t notice the boost to those

[uncut wedge]

And what should i use alongside deflector

[radiant ice]

Always take Wrath

It just takes the sword from an 8/10 to a 10/10 imo

Wrath feels mandatory, other blessing is personal preference. Many like Riposte or Deflector

Occasionally Shred but I personally feel that a bad choice

At least compared to the glory of Wrath

And riposte has it beat for crit chance

[patent mango]

wrath enjoyers

[strong gulch]

We are collectively still figuring out best blessings. Wrath is definitely a pick tho.

[radiant ice]

I find it real hard to argue at least one of the two isn’t Wrath

[thin finch]

Does cleave affect the sonic wave ?

[radiant ice]

The second is definitely a debate though yeah

[strong gulch]

I think I accidentally empowered my 34 WR illisi. 😭

[radiant ice]

Pain

[thorn cedar]

the wave cleaves everything

[clear heath]

tragedy

[thorn cedar]

walls included

[strong gulch]

If you're not gonna cleave because of hitmass changed in high havoc or if you're crit maxxing. Otherwise I'm picking wrath.

[radiant ice]

I nuked a 21% health curio the other day and wanted to cry

When I was inventory cleaning

[thin finch]

does cleave only affect the next target but not the "port over" damage ?

[strong gulch]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1004447866250613048/1298432898004811786/Rest_in_Peas.gif

[thorn cedar]

yes cleave damage spread will be unchanged

[thin finch]

ok thanks m8

[radiant ice]

Except except!

Brunt my man had a 21% blue in stock

[thin finch]

throw cleave out the windows

[radiant ice]

Sucked to nuke my resources for nothing

But taught me to pay more attention xD

Guess I’m gonna try party finder again

I will claw to 40 yet xD

[strong gulch]

I try to pay attention but between ADHD and brain fog... bad things happen to my stuff. It's me, I'm the problem. 😡

[nocturne dust]

E z solution

Always empower to max

[main wyvern]

did they buff fire staff's primary stagger

[radiant ice]

It really feels like it actually

I love the inferno staff and use it a lot

[main wyvern]

i'm testing it in the meat grinder and i swear it didn't stagger this much when i last played

[radiant ice]

Last 3-4 days it seems to stagger everything way more than usual

[main wyvern]

but i also never used fire staff that much so idk

[green island]

comparing heavy las pistol and recon las, does the recon las have any strengths over the pistol??

[radiant ice]

https://tenor.com/view/minigun-turret-gun-machine-gun-gif-13196770

In summary

[radiant ice]

I actually wondered it myself with the havoc update but thought I was crazy xD

[green island]

it seems worse in dps, worse at range, about the same, but maybe better ammo efficiency?

[clear heath]

shoots faster

useful for like, the quell on crit that psyker has

[radiant ice]

Sheer laser volume yeah

Which is why the blue one is the best for Psyker

[strong gulch]

Luckily I had a forgotten 38 WR weapon sitting in my inventory.

[hazy moss]

it has insanely good synergy with mettle

[radiant ice]

Again the blue one yeah ^

Stupid high fire rate

Stupid high crit chance

Procc’s Psyker abilities like crazy

Mettle being one of the standouts

[haughty star]

And dd

[lyric prism]

wait, what is assail weave?

[sick sparrow]

can someone help me complete psyker penances?

[haughty star]

Basically shoot and become immortal

[lyric prism]

can anyone explain

?

[radiant ice]

Hop into the lfg area, people there helped me fly through the entirety of mine in one go

They are amazing at penance helping

[lethal lagoon]

@strong gulch @nocturne dust Pway?

[split lance]

im going surge shriek

for at least one game

someone else go rending trauma

for one game

plas

plsp

s

sp

spsp

s

psps

ok sorry hadron

[sick sparrow]

cat calling

[lyric prism]

can anyone explain what assail weave is? I read it in the psyker guide

[sick sparrow]

the bot?

[split lance]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-cute-exercise-bed-kitty-gif-17932354043745241231

[strong gulch]

Toss a couple assails out, swap to melee and smack things, then assail a bit. Rinse and repeat. If paired with soulstealer, it's and easy way to get more toughness gen during melee. It also helps with hordes.

[strong gulch]

ok. I need a few minutes

[lethal lagoon]

Wait, if void doesn't show up Ima play something else.

[lyric prism]

wait so .. how does that play into the greatsword?

[lethal lagoon]

I might as well wait till the havoc reset so I have a mission to queue.

[split lance]

what if someone else shows up

with high havoc

[lethal lagoon]

I only accept void's havoc

[celest valve]

tbh i'm pondering maniac simply because like... both tend to have some difficulty with ragers

[split lance]

were going to queue my havoc

not yours

[lethal lagoon]

[strong gulch]

kk

[radiant ice]

I find the mk8 stab drops them instantly

[lethal lagoon]

Sure buddy

[split lance]

[split lance]

my havoc is higher

[radiant ice]

For the Mk6, can be a bit awkward, 2-3 heavies usually does it

[celest valve]

Remember. There are some people who think that peril is bad and would take this blessing.

[lethal lagoon]

That's for scrier's maintence

[split lance]

lol

[radiant ice]

I mean I can see it as part of an infinite Scriers build

But then it’s just worse than Crack of Bone

Soooo

I suppose you could take both that crack of bone alone seems to grant me permanent unless there is a big gap between hordes

At which point there is time for sg to cooldown anyway

[thin finch]

I'm making a stupid scrier's build and even there I think it's not that interesting

[radiant ice]

Oh yeah same, I have a stupid Scriers sword only build, and I don’t run it xD

[patent jacinth]

This is good right (its actually a 60% warp res)

[vapid sparrow]

my inferno staff is refusing to deal good damage

[radiant ice]

Cause Crack of Bone exists. But I can still see the logic, as terrible as it is

[strong gulch]

Mostly same as other melee. If you know you won't hit something quick or need to stagger a thing, assail. If you need to build your peril assail. It's less needed on FGS because it has the force sword push plus it has decent horde clear on its own. Just reinforces things.

[celest valve]

i could get this. but also stability is for people who can't control recoil

[nocturne dust]

[lyric prism]

just me or does assail trump all the other abilities then?

cause it seems just an everything kinda skill

[radiant ice]

I don’t know, isn’t stability uniquely great on the braced as it tightens the spread?

Otherwise sure

[strong gulch]

Depends but assail is great. It doesn't do much to cara and bosses tho. Man sized targets and smaller it's great for.

[celest valve]

It lacks the ludicrous crowd control of smite, and the reliable extreme range anti-carapace of brain blast.

[strong gulch]

ready

[lethal lagoon]

ye.

[sick sparrow]

nobody xd

[celest valve]

hmm. perfect everything melee weapon. neat.

[radiant ice]

Huh must be a timing thing, at least for the EU one I found people extra helpful and nice when I got back into the game after over a year away

[lyric prism]

i feel in general like head pop could use a lot of work tbf 🥲

[vapid sparrow]

is the fire staff thing better at killing ? For reference i dont have the final perks unlocked (purple ones) but it takes like 4 bursts to kill a single pox walker

[radiant ice]

Nah don’t touch my beloved

[radiant ice]

Brain Burst is my favourite blitz

[lyric prism]

yeah sure but it ... just doesnt feel great in comparison

like the auto pop on melee imo should get a drastic cooldown reduction

[strong gulch]

@verbal thistle Runs penance mission pretty often. Ask Ainz directly or ask in LFG again later. A lot of people are in Havocs right now since it's the new shiny thing.

[radiant ice]

I disagree, in the situations you use it for, it’s insane

Trying to run it like a smykers runs smite though… different story xD

[jovial juniper]

The double down dilemma

[verbal thistle]

yes

[celest valve]

lesseeeee blessings

[radiant ice]

A cooldown reduction to Flayer would be nice though, fair

[lyric prism]

well, idk, not a big fan of how it does compared to the other skills

[verbal thistle]

@sick sparrow in PoE rn, I'll be on soon

[strong gulch]

Even when fully invested into, it's lacking. The less compentent the group, the more it shines. It does have its moments tho.

[celest valve]

i could just get deflector and be jedi

[sick sparrow]

ok

[radiant ice]

I find it as a great tool for picking off pixels in the distance with aimbot, like our new gunner friends

And for monstrosity damage if you have the modifier to reduce cast time

[lyric prism]

would love it if kinetic flayer had a 5 second codown and that kinetic resonance would deal headpop damage to all enemies with X meters after 1 second of killing the enemy every 15 seconds or something like that

[verbal thistle]

getting on

[lyric prism]

that could make headpop cool imo

[sick sparrow]

which vc?

[verbal thistle]

no vc, we can just speedrun this

[sick sparrow]

ight

[verbal thistle]

try this

to make it faster

[celest valve]

i mean for the combat ability boost since you have CDR already, I would probably save quite a few points by taking double wall instead, and dropping kinetic flayer

[verbal thistle]

bubble safter

cant sepll

jesus

safer

[celest valve]

the kinetic flayer point can get psychic leeching for 15% toughness with blain blurst spam

[sick sparrow]

what about warp battery?

[mental grail]

the way this game will throw 30 trillion guys at you and not hand you a red-dot sight is criminal behavior

[lone ravine]

you're a criminal, you dont deserve a red dot sight

[remote shadow]

Siblings, what blessings and perks should I roll with on the Mk VI greatsword?

[mental grail]

"Here's this rifle that requires you to get headshots consistently, no we won't give you an optic. In fact, you'll only be able to use iron sights that are more primitive than a Glock 17"

[celest valve]

and you'll get headshots every time, reject, or die >:O

[marble crater]

Carapace, unyielding, wrath and your choice. Deflector and repost are popular choices for the other blessing

[idle marsh]

I'm playing psyker with the sword, but I die so quickly

[marble crater]

Dying from what in which mode?

[nocturne dust]

https://tenor.com/view/darktide-40k-psyker-explode-perils-gif-10586129510772702813

[green island]

same, WOW is meele/gun psyker so much harder lmao

[covert root]

i saw a psyker absoultey shred the the shreder aut pistol, is there a good build for the gun or them being goated?

[green island]

harder than any other class in meele for sure (using scriers gaze gun/meele type build)

[idle marsh]

anyone got a build for force greatsword that is survivable?

Also shooters seem so much more dangerous

[remote shadow]

I'm in love

I two-shot Maulers and almost two-shot Crushers on Damnation

[hazy moss]

for havoc or normal?

[idle marsh]

the more competitive the better

currently playing nomral though

[hazy moss]

heres the buld i run with 2 toughness curious, ive had success with it up till havoc 25

[idle marsh]

thaaaanks

[hazy moss]

i like running a gun with it tho

voidstrike staff works with it too

[idle marsh]

I'm using the revolver

[hazy moss]

hell yea

[idle marsh]

will tell you how it works out

probably a skill issue on my part

[celest valve]

mmmm tenderized burnt meat

[marble crater]

Buzzz buzzz

[celest valve]

ok i am tempted to get deflector for the heavy gunners

[haughty star]

No bcob?

[remote shadow]

[hazy moss]

ive never actually tried bcob, is it worth it?

[radiant frigate]

imo no but it does help extend sg and cycle peril for toughness if you have quietude

[patent mango]

whar is bcob

ok its crack of bone

i forgor it had the by part

[zinc phoenix]

“Silence heretic, a sensitive psyker is periling”

[hazy moss]

hmm, yea.. imo the value it provides isnt more than any other node i picked so i dont have any node i can unpick for it

[zinc phoenix]

Crack + tranq on sword allows you to stay in SG for basically forever

It’s pretty fun

Well “forever” if you run out of baddies it will stop obviously

[celest valve]

lol

[hazy moss]

i think bcob would be better on a sword only build, i do weave in assails and bullets in that build

[zinc phoenix]

Some poor new player is gonna buy that shotgun and wonder why their bullets heal the baddies

[hazy moss]

bcob + sg + blue stim and go crazy in a horde

that would be fun

[lyric prism]

what you all think of the drip?

[zinc phoenix]

I’ve had multiple people red stim me when I’m wilding with my fgs sg dd build 😂

[idle marsh]

build worked great in my first game! I think the trick was getting Mettle and using Scriar gaze

[stark shadow]

guys is 470 80 80 80 80 45 warp res better than 500 80 80 80 80 60

?

[haughty star]

You could get rid of erethreal

[strong gulch]

Depends on what you're after and how you play. For me yes

[haughty star]

It effectively does nothing with warp splitting

It does do something, just not nearly as much as splitting already does

[stark shadow]

i don't know it's on voidstrike force staff

[mental grail]

Kino, but they do look a bit too well dressed for that haircut.

[patent mango]

30 docket haircut

[lyric prism]

Mattus may be a lunatic, but he still retained his good fashion sense before the warp got him

[hazy moss]

[lyric prism]

actually have some made up lore that my zealot and psyker are related by blood, just that both share the same goal with very different views

[hazy moss]

like the others said, by crack of bone might be worth trying out

[lyric prism]

also, is wrath + warp splitting overkill for greatsword?

[haughty star]

No

You're psyker and that thing kinda sucks in the cleave department. Wanna make sure you down as much shit as possible in front of you, plus the sword genuinely doesn't care what blessing you run on it

Also bcob kinda works against warp splitting when it comes to using the sword but is still 1000 percent worth running just to extend that sg stacks out to 30 every time

[lyric prism]

bcob?

[haughty star]

By crack of bone

[patent mango]

bacon

[lyric prism]

what is that again?

[haughty star]

It lowers peril on weakspot kill and reduces peril gen by 20 percent for four seconds

Invaluable for keeping scriers up if you're tryna make the sword your highlight

[lyric prism]

oh i never use that °-°

only use it on my scrier psyker

[hazy moss]

when i used to use the illsi id be able to get to scriers 30 pretty easily without bcob

but the illsi is a blender

(before i became a mk6 fanatic)

[patent mango]

my silly psyker melee build

[haughty star]

Yeah but more scrier more better imo

[lyric prism]

i dont wanna use greatsword on my scrier buld

[hazy moss]

free yourself from the shackles of psykenetic aura sibling

[lyric prism]

cause imo the deimos is way too good on scriers to not use it

[patent mango]

nooooooo

i wanna eat all the cdr...

[knotty locust]

"shackles"

[lyric prism]

some people like restraints

[sturdy reef]

the dreaded coat hanger build

[hazy moss]

i thought i spelled it right

[knotty locust]

im saying psykinetic aura isn't shackles

your mind's eye opens when you start using it religiously

it's like meth

[haughty star]

This is whacky lol

[patent mango]

500 scriers gaze per minute

[tacit stump]

who let the zealot in

[patent mango]

nah zealots would be fully bald

[lyric prism]

my scrier psyker (mf cant see)

[strong gulch]

The better dump on voidstrike is blast radius.

[patent mango]

fgs really makes the drip so real

[lyric prism]

i wish there was a 2H rapier in the game

it would make this fit SO much better

[patent mango]

just wait until extended customization 🔥

[lyric prism]

until what?

[patent mango]

mod to change wep parts client side

[lyric prism]

oh, a mod

i wish more mods were official

[patent mango]

maybe someday...

[haughty star]

Truly cursed lol. Just nonstop scriers spam

[unkempt knoll]

what soulblaze even do just another burn effect?

[haughty star]

Yes.

3 stacks starts hurting things, 6 kills all trash, 9 and elites start dying lol

[unkempt knoll]

kays cuz im just going LOTS of cleave

tbh it feels like im making a zealot with a psyker

[haughty star]

Imma try what I posted above. Alot are gonna harumph about it not having WR but I'm more interested in having no scriers downtime over 20 percent power increase over 83 percent peril

[unkempt knoll]

i have +130% cleave so far

[worn beacon]

What perks should I go for on a MK2 laspistol?

[patent mango]

melee psyker seems real until around havoc 30 probably

[celest valve]

ok. deflector is awesome. you take very little peril despite blocking a metric shitton of gunners.

i swapped it to the good mk

(ok i think it's more a preference thing but 6 is harder for me to learn)

[bleak maple]

I need proof of a psyker with 17% toughness curio

[patent mango]

18% is max

[strong gulch]

17% is max toughness

21% health

+3 stam

1 wound

[patent mango]

my trolling is joever

[mental grail]

do our weapons actually have machine spirits or is hadron just chatting shit?

[lone ravine]

sounds like you arent praying to the little person inside your machine

[mental grail]

how can a sword have a machine spirit when it has no moving parts?

[patent mango]

ohh thats where the voices come from

[lone ravine]

this man clearly doesnt pray

someone brick all his gear

NOW

[mental grail]

I pray

I get bricked regardless

https://tenor.com/view/orange-cat-gets-flung-and-explodes-orange-cat-funny-cat-meme-explodes-gif-10706110874965244466

[patent mango]

spend 1m melk dollar

[lone ravine]

come back when youve made a purity seal by hand irl

only then shall you be worthy

[strong gulch]

Big boy lineup

Also nothing went wrong during this run. All good decisions and no wonky game things.

[celest valve]

i literally had an 8 fucking ragers moment lmao

[patent mango]

oh heck yeah

we're gonna ball

[unkempt knoll]

would blazing spirit and souldrinker be worthwhile combo?

[celest valve]

ok, mk6 sucks and i literally can't understand how anyone can even tolerate it :x

[unkempt knoll]

just by tryin out the mk6 if u mean the great sword its like using the hammer on zealot

[celest valve]

i have never used the hammer on zealot lol

imma try it again later

[unkempt knoll]

you got one helluva 1 target dmg

but not much AOE atlest on the sword

[celest valve]

so blazing spirit is good but

it doesn't proc on the wave. :c

[unkempt knoll]

ah

cringe

soon

more cleave

[celest valve]

this is as far as i can tell on purpose, because it gets really, really, really stupid otherwise.

but i wish other talents worked lol

[bleak maple]

I swear I used to have 17% toughness curios and now they're just gone

Like they all got rounded down to 16%

[hazy moss]

curios inflation

[clear heath]

Ok i'm getting better at playing FGS psyker
havoc 32

only a little concerned it might start to fall off at 35 with the last hitmass increases

kinda funny how this doesnt fit in the text box

[zinc phoenix]

What ya running it with?

Have you joined team bubble or all SG?

[clear heath]

bubble

[zinc phoenix]

Sad

[clear heath]

Running this with FGS and EK staff

I like bubbling the enemies and just going ham on whatever's inside

pretty much always bubble in front

[clear heath]

I should do that chant next time i empower something so hadron doesn't randomly fuck it up

[celest valve]

honestly i think they overdid themselves on the mastery sword

i don't know what this means buuuut

[thorn cedar]

i hate the fireman red

[clear heath]

yeah i'm not a huge fan of the colour

cool details though

[celest valve]

i'm a huge fan of the color :3

[lilac cloak]

can i complete the brain BURST penances with brain RUPTURE?

[clear heath]

I might go for the 2 stacks on weakspot kill for DD again, maybe drop the toughness node

it's getting harder to keep shit stacked with how tanky things get

and i'm not that bad with surviving i think

[hazy moss]

i consider this node a must take on any dd build

[clear heath]

I stopped taking it because DD got so easy to stack this patch

and in aurics and pre-30 havocs it was a non-issue

but being less able to kill exactly what i want on demand is now causing problems

[hazy moss]

hmm fair

what about 25 dd stacks?

and the bonus stack on headshot

[clear heath]

I think that works depending on gun

Another thing to consider is i'm using electro staff
which can't headshot

I could imagine laspistol with 25 DD working fine but i haven't tried it

something quick to draw and kill with

[hazy moss]

i really love the bonus stacks on headshot so im biased af

i literally always run it

[broken carbon]

if you’ve got a las pistol, or recon las, or vraks IAG

basically any fast, high ammo gun

you can make it work

[vapid sparrow]

If you were worthy of this knowledge, you'd have known by now

[broken carbon]

someone ghost pinged me

[hazy moss]

i responded but i changed my mind abt what i said

[broken carbon]

what did you say

just say it!!

[hazy moss]

i said "ive made it work plenty on voidstrike staff"

[broken carbon]

ah

[hazy moss]

then i remembred last time i used 25 dd stacks with voidstrike staff

and i was like wait nvm

[broken carbon]

it can work on voidstrike

but it’s so slow

it’s going to be pretty inconsistent

[ornate hamlet]

Anyone got a greatsword build?

[acoustic isle]

It's part of why i want those pennance cosmetics. i somehow feel those black outfits are gonna go so well with a lot of mastery skins

[celest valve]

imo i think my drip's kinda nice

[unkempt knoll]

its a bunch of auspex symbols so i cant find anyting

[celest valve]

alas

[thorn nest]

what staff do you guys recommend for special killing?

[acoustic isle]

so far the 4500 pennance rating comsetics are working. the new ones look to be similar to these but dark black so i feel it'll look good

[prime elk]

lightning

[hazy moss]

i really like the psyker border u get for penance 4700

very psyker-y

[ornate hamlet]

Thank you. What about blessings and perks on the sword?

[broken carbon]

mk8 has a stab after the push attack

which does better damage than the stab on the mk6

at the cost of being a bit harder to reach in some situations

[prime elk]

PC and no warprider 🤔

[zinc phoenix]

Riposte givin them crits

[broken carbon]

perilous combustion is OP on basically every build

[clear heath]

perilous combustion on a build with no soulblaze is 5% of your total damage

[prime elk]

5% more damage is op since when?

[clear heath]

and you could argue it's not always useful damage

[patent mango]

we love perilous combustion!!

[celest valve]

4500 dang

i'm 2200 :c

[broken carbon]

kill 3 elites and everything dies

[prime elk]

i've had people giving me shit for not taking PC

[broken carbon]

in aurics and havocs, there’s elites everywhere

[prime elk]

turns out they never tested it themselves

i tested PC in auric and the damage ends up being 3-7%

[zinc phoenix]

Surprisingly easy to get to 4500

[celest valve]

also no offense but you look like a ripoff anime character lol

[prime elk]

OK node, but i don't think it's worth the point, esp without warprider

and you're going to be peril edging anyway if you're not taking wrath

[clear heath]

Have you ever actually looked at the number of enemies killed by soulblaze? It's not a lot
And if this is a melee build, you would've killed them enemies before the soulblaze even ticks, as you are literally right next to them

[hazy moss]

im waiting for the day they give psyker a node that boosts move speed scaling with peril

[patent mango]

always perilous gaming

[celest valve]

Also do you know the scaling of soulblaze?

[acoustic isle]

So we can really have the psyker edging their perils memes while also sprinting off like a crackhead?

[mossy oyster]

psykers when you tell them extra dot and damage to kill shit is good but they say it’s bad because it’s not 100% damage or your actual real damage

[zinc phoenix]

I like perilous combust for finishing stuff off

Which it do

Sometimes

[hazy moss]

my psyker is always edging 😎

[mossy oyster]

ah yea the free 3k extra damage that soulblaze did from PC

So ass

lmfao

[acoustic isle]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4obTZh1clqQ

[prime elk]

imagine that lol

[ornate hamlet]

That's a fair point. I'm still learning, so I'm open to any advices and why I'm asking questions.

[celest valve]

Take the ratio of the number of stacks to the max number of stacks(31). Plug it into the formula(off memory so may be wrong sorry) ratio * ratio * (3 - 2 + ratio)

[patent mango]

more soulblaze!!

[clear heath]

Like it's not like I haven't tried it. I've looked at the numbers for what it's done and i've watched what it achieves in practice. It isn't doing much that's helpful if it's the only source of stacks

[broken carbon]

it’s most noticeable for ragers and bulwarks, those are 2 enemies that will often be the most annoying/tedious to kill, and being able to inflict pretty significant damage on them just by killing surrounding elites is very nice to have

[celest valve]

that will get you the amount of damage the soulblaze will do each interval, from a scale of 0% to 100% of the max damage(at 31 stacks).

[prime elk]

this is what i run

[clear heath]

If it's a fgs build, it probably didn't change the rager breakpoint either. You likely swung at it after killing the other enemy and one shot it

[prime elk]

the point in the toughness node at the bottom can be moved to quick shards

it's a flex point

[hazy moss]

excellent video, thanks for sharing

[celest valve]

hmmm. slightly wrong. sec

[runic juniper]

The small stacks combustion gives works as long as your weapon blessings are buffing them

But that's usually way easier with a gun build

[prime elk]

what blessings benefit it?

uncanny?

[broken carbon]

uncanny, slaughterer

i think unstable power

[runic juniper]

uncanny and strength blessings

[zinc phoenix]

neway the good combo with PC is souldrinker

[broken carbon]

i don’t think headtaker actually does

[ornate hamlet]

Much appreciated. Out of curiosity, why not smite instead of assail?

[prime elk]

most of those aren't available to FGS anyway

[runic juniper]

im thinking more on along the lines of Deathspitter for recon las and infantry auto

that and dum dum

[prime elk]

you can if you want to go left first to take psykenetic aura, but i think assail is way more useful as a general-purpose ranged option

[patent mango]

surge fgs

[prime elk]

and to spike up your peril

this is what i'm running for weapons

and in terms of curios, you can run your pick of defensive curios

but imo stamina is not needed because FGS gives a stupid amount of stam for some reaosn

[ornate hamlet]

Fair enough.

[hazy moss]

i swapped my stamina curio for another toughness one

[clear heath]

I do not think it's likely that a large portion of these 64 enemies are ragers and bulwarks. Seems far more likely that it was like 50 poxwalkers.
Even still, you would likely get more kills/damage from something else unless you have every damage node covered already

[prime elk]

yeah i run one stam curio on most psyker builds, idk why FGS gives what. 4 stam?

[clear heath]

If you have everything you need, i do think it's still a decent node

but you dropped fucking warp rider

[runic juniper]

that is pretty rough tbf

[broken carbon]

i just kinda don’t care much to consistently edge my peril to keep warp rider up

i meet plenty of BPs without it

crusher one shot, rager one shot

it’d only come into play after using scriers gaze, at which point i’ve got plenty of damage buffs from the lingering effect

[acoustic isle]

I say you wanna constantly keep crit up more power to you

Personally im happy being palpatine

[clear heath]

Alright that's fair, but i think even something like assail recharge speed would've netted you more damage overall than PC

[broken carbon]

nah, assail is only weaved into melee for more toughness generation, and for gunner stagger

not really needed any time else

[haughty star]

okay i'm fucking shredding with this new build

[broken carbon]

not often am i dumping every shard for damage

it’s a utility tool imo

not a damage tool

and in that role, the normal regen speed is plenty

[ornate hamlet]

Why I asked about smite. It's been great for me as cc with a big horde, helping the group kill everything.

Could use a voidstrike staff for ranged.

[broken carbon]

sorry i hate smite

i am of no help here

[haughty star]

i've just ran this in auric mael and you basically just become god

[patent mango]

why did the 3rd blitz have to be smite

[clear heath]

I bring smite for the pathing but i never have the opportunity to use it in havoc

my peril is always too high

[prime elk]

you're running precog and riposte on fgs. imagine going into a lobby with 3 smykers

[clear heath]

quell speed gets fucked in havoc and i keep my peril high anyways for warp splitting

[patent mango]

the game has 2 leave buttons for this reason

[clear heath]

lmao

[haughty star]

i think you may have a mod conflict there lol

[broken carbon]

i’m killing myself immediately

[patent mango]

idk lmao

[haughty star]

yes grief them constantly

[clear heath]

I remember when i first wanted to try devils claw parry

[haughty star]

just suicide every time they res, grief out of their 4th slot

[clear heath]

got into a lobby with smite psykers

couldn't parry anything, nothing attacked

[broken carbon]

i have so many clips of me excited to fight a rager pack with dclaw

then immediately seeing them get smited, and just turning to the smite psyker

and death staring them

[haughty star]

i don't honestly think it's that crazy to not run warp rider if genuinely trying to min max FGS abuse

[broken carbon]

if you want to min max

yeah sure

[ornate hamlet]

Interesting. Does cooldown reduction work on kinetic flayer?

[broken carbon]

but for ease of use

and breakpoints

its

meh

[broken carbon]

cooldown reduction only procs on elite kill

doesn’t matter if it’s kinetic flayer or not

[ornate hamlet]

That's not what I'm asking.

[clear heath]

and specialist

[broken carbon]

true

[haughty star]

not sure about that but it's just nice instaclapping a elite here and there and the cdr would be like 1 second if he did

[clear heath]

but yeah i think they're asking if the cooldown for flayer gets reduced

I don't think it does

[broken carbon]

ohh

no it doesn’t

kinetic flayer should hold 3 charges

tbh

[haughty star]

ehhh if you're not gonna be using your blitz it's a good pathment

free brain burst every 15 seconds

that you don't actually have to do

but yeah 2 or 3 charges would be based as hell

or maybe a sub node to reduce the time on it?

[ornate hamlet]

Yeah, I really only use brain burst for a sniper or far away that needs to die quickly.

[mental grail]

Drop curios

[broken carbon]

sub node for a subnode

lmfao

[mental grail]

I wanna see your setup for comparison

[haughty star]

i only use it for pathment on rare occasion. i built this build with the sole purpose of just staying in scriers (or it's effects) endlessly

[ornate hamlet]

To get psy aura?

[prime elk]

i was too lazy to fill out the perks. it's something like 2x gunner, 1x sniper, 3x ordo and then rest into hp or toughness idr

[haughty star]

which as i just found out works really well. the TDR from the 2 nodes and Scriers and OWTW is huge too

[clear heath]

imo i don't consider the scriers TDR that valuable

you're like almost invincible during scriers anyways

[broken carbon]

20% isn’t really a lot tbf

[thorn cedar]

i view it as a balast

[patent mango]

ballast barotrauma

[mental grail]

idk the deep rites, I just ball in the omnissiahs name and do what the cranky metal woman tells me to do

[thorn cedar]

its just keeping you balanced until OWTW builds up off the perils

[broken carbon]

ballast

[patent mango]

https://tenor.com/qJfoDvvXeX9.gif

[ornate hamlet]

What's OWTW?

[clear heath]

I would rather grab a 15 toughness node if it's within reach, instead of the 20% scriers tdr

you just kinda don't get toughness chipped during scriers

[haughty star]

yes. i find myself not weaving as much as i should with MM and perfect timing does little to nothing for a gunker anyway so i figured fuck it i'll just go left side

[willow escarp]

been using MK8 FGS mostly so far; MK6 seems pretty good as well. any fans of that one?

[thorn cedar]

Very good node

[haughty star]

hell nah lol but to each their own

[ornate hamlet]

Oh. Just didn't know the acronym.

[haughty star]

20 percent TDR by the math is way more value than 15 toughness even if it's base toughness

[mental grail]

mk6 is kino and has many stans in this channel

[broken carbon]

mk8 is my personal preference for the higher damage stab and (imo) easier to access stab

[haughty star]

especially when no pathing to it is needed

[clear heath]

You crit so much during scriers. Just grab empathic and a bullet can't hit you during scriers gaze

[haughty star]

if you're using a gun sure

[clear heath]

you mostly die when you're out of scriers

[broken carbon]

true aim and assail

[patent mango]

mk6 so jolly

[prime elk]

i use mk8 as well, since force push is so good anyway

[haughty star]

than i don't get to use my sword

objective for the build is to just go braindead melee and stay in scriers endlessly

[broken carbon]

no, stack true aim in melee, then throw assail, then back to melee

repeat

just one shard for EE

[thorn cedar]

the crits proc at different times too since the shard has to fly

[broken carbon]

yarp

[haughty star]

yes i know how to use assail lol been doing this a while. i just don't find myself wanting to swap to assail with FGS.

[broken carbon]

so it’s more like 2-3 seconds of EE

[thorn cedar]

ive just been using smite lul

[haughty star]

just stay in scriers and cleave and whip out recon if something sadistic pops up

[clear heath]

empathic is just so good for surviving with scriers, i don't see why you'd need scriers DR
Even if you're just meleeing and don't have consistent fast crits, a very low percentage of bullets are hitting you if you put bare minimum effort into dodging

[patent mango]

pls fatshark buff the frick out of charged strike 🙏

[haughty star]

because i'm not using assail and not tryna use my gun the whole time dummy

[clear heath]

Even if you're just meleeing

melees can crit too

it's not full uptime but you're taking very few shots

[prime elk]

honestly it's pretty funny running weapons with high crit

melee weapons that is

i can just ignore ranged enemies as long as i have shit to swing at

stupidly good talent

[haughty star]

it's really good for stacking TDR and helps with chip damage. even the best player can't dodge everything and it's literally 100 percent uptime since my scrier's never is out of cooldown

[thorn cedar]

psyker gets too much of its value out of crits honestly

[prime elk]

prob

[patent mango]

critting funny

[haughty star]

10 percent from just the two nodes, 20 flat from scrier's, up to 33 percent from OWTW. if anything i'd drop OWTW over the flat increase from scrier's on this particular build

[wind spruce]

Are you including in your math the diminishing returns from other TDR sources?

[haughty star]

if i wanted ee that is

[clear heath]

actually he's right, it would be more unless we're talking havoc's toughness penalty

[wind spruce]

Sure, but it's still relevant when talking about Endurance since there's other factors at play

[clear heath]

20% dr is 25% more survivability regardless of how many toughness sources you stack
Going from 75 toughness to 90 would be 20% more survivability

[patent mango]

i love having 0 toughness in havoc!!!! i want my toughness to explode upon stubbing my toe

[haughty star]

i might drop +3 cuz i've been getting by without it with the new target selection on other builds. i'm not denying that EE isn't powerful it's just this pesky 30 point cap they gave us lol

[wicked hornet]

So I see people say bring trauma staff or purg staff. What are the differences in what they bring to the table. Aren’t both good CC and damage to elites etc?

[haughty star]

and i'm not a perfect player so i'm just tryna beef it up as much as i can while staying in scrier's endlessly

[clear heath]

I just think EE would be giving you more value overall than scriers dr

[swift berry]

Fat shark raise the cap and my live is yours! /j

[radiant frigate]

alright havoc is a silly gamemode

[prime elk]

they're prob talking about havoc specifically, and havoc is weird

[patent mango]

havoc is sooo silly

[prime elk]

havoc is its own thing basically

[radiant frigate]

havoc is a different game

never before have i advanced with bubble cd and flamerized everything

[patent mango]

shooter hell gamemode

[haughty star]

i mean if anything i think the 20 percent speed would probably be the most logical drop tbh

[patent mango]

nooo speed is fun

[prime elk]

you aren't touching my warp speed

[radiant frigate]

oh look a single trash shooter- fucking dies

[prime elk]

😠

[haughty star]

it is fun yet we dump mobility on everything

[clear heath]

nah the speed is too nice if you're melee focused
I would never

[wind spruce]

Are we talking about with recon or another gun?