psyker-class

[near wyvern]

Things have changed, if you go into havoc, HP seems to be the choice because you get so little toughness. % boosts don't really matter, you either have full toughness or you don't have toughness

[true cairn]

This is the complete opposite take of a lot of people in Havoc 40 ngl

[near wyvern]

I haven't gotten up there so I won't update Atheneum for havoc yet but I will test things out when I get there. Currently at 26.

[jovial gust]

Wouldn't Toughness still matter even if it get vaporized in a second? Since it's replenishable as opposed to HP?

[true cairn]

Just from what I've observed you're getting chewed up so often in Havoc 40 that your replenishable resource is basically your primary health

If they get to your HP brother

You're already dead

[weary crane]

Bubble is indirectly been buffed again

I've always said its the best ability

[true cairn]

Bubble has some great tech with Chorus Zealot now

[weary crane]

Add that with 6 warp charges and you have a high up time with it

[true cairn]

Where you can use it to zone gunners

[near wyvern]

Yes but if you have 130 toughness or 40 toughness they both absorb one hit. The toughness regeneration is percentage based in any case.

Although I doubt you can get up to 130 at later stages...

[true cairn]

I'd have to find it but there's a specific build out at the moment that allows Psyker when in hordes to regenerate their entire toughness bar per dot tick

[near wyvern]

At 26 you have like 50-60 base or something

[near wyvern]

Per dot tick doesn't exist but purgatus build generates a lot when enemies go down

[true cairn]

It does exist, I've seen it

[summer prairie]

if you take 3 extra toughness node you'll have normal toughness, whether that's ever worth is questionable. Bolstered toughness is way better anyway

[true cairn]

But you also run it in a stack with Zealots and Vets mainly

Since golden toughness with toughness DR is the optimal survival strat

There is unfortunately no such thing as not getting hit in Havoc

[near wyvern]

There exists no talents nor blessings that would give you toughness back on dot tick so no, it doesn't exist.

What you have probably seen is mettle + inferno direct hits with warp nexus

[true cairn]

Unless I misunderstood it restores toughness on crits which dots can do

And the dot crits are restoring

[near wyvern]

In general, you can obtain a shit ton of toughness gen with the inferno staff

Dots cannot crit

[true cairn]

I know it did involve inferno

So you're probably correct

Either way their toughness bar was like the stock market

Just pinging up and down the whole time

But it was enough to negate a whole lot of incoming fire

[near wyvern]

Yes inferno staff is able to face tank but as long as you have things to hit

Face tank ranged fire that is

But the thing with high havoc is, at times you have to cross hallways without melee mobs

So you can't rely on just inferno alone

[true cairn]

Well, you have bubble to cover those temporarily as well

But you won't always have it of course

That's what team is for

[near wyvern]

Anyway, the point is, 100% toughness negates the next incoming hit. If the amount of toughness you obtain via curios or talents doesn't allow your toughness to stay high after a single hit, it is a lot better to simply use HP curios, since all toughness regeneration is percentage based.

If you have 50 toughness or 90 toughness but a single mob hit removes both without overflowing into the HP bar, the 90 toughness doesn't make a difference since it takes exactly the same time to fill rhe toughness bar back to 100%.

In regular Auric Damnation things are a lot different because the ranged mobs only slightly damage your toughness on hit, causing you to walk out with higher % toughness left, allowing you to gain it faster back to 100%.

[plucky flax]

Reject toughness go full wounds crystalline q

Tru survivor strat thanks me later

[patent steeple]

btw, I have unlocked havoc (I did it via normal mael, so I start at level 1)!

what perks should I use on curios? I assume stacking hp curios is the way to go, though...

[weary crane]

Level 1 you can do with eyes closed

https://tenor.com/view/pulp-fiction-wtf-huh-john-travolta-confused-gif-5521264

Me looking for enemies

[plucky flax]

I'm at 35 and play 2 toughness 1 hp

In maelstrom I do 2 hp 1 toughness

[radiant ice]

I'm curious what Perks people run on Electrostaff

I'm starting to doubt Flak in place of Carapace now with the Rager change

[raw token]

flurry nexus

[plucky flax]

I play flak maniac

[raw token]

oh crit maniac

[upper sun]

flak is a must on most staves since they target center mass which is flak for most things

[radiant ice]

See that's been my thinking until recently

I am also running 5% crit that I could drop for two damage boosts but idk

[plucky flax]

I always go 2 damage perks

[radiant ice]

Not running Scriers so don't wanna hurt my crits too much, even though it has Nexus

[plucky flax]

25% damage is huge

[radiant ice]

It really is

[plucky flax]

It has innate like 19% crit chance

From crit bonus

[radiant ice]

I don't feel the need for Maniac's as my melee drops them all in one tap

Two at worst

So Flak/Carapace is a consideration

[plucky flax]

I think for high havoc I'll probably go flak unarmoured to kill gunners and shooters fast lol

[radiant ice]

Ah the staff already one taps them

[plucky flax]

I did 34 with surge earlier and did a lot of damage with flak maniac

Shame you can't test havoc hp in meatgrinder

[radiant ice]

Oh I know

[near wyvern]

Not only that, it's x1.25 damage not +25% like many other buffs.

[radiant ice]

Carapace to help get Ragers off the team, stun Crushers when they aren't on me to melee but on a teammate and do more damage in the process

Unyielding also feels not terrible

Cause then I can dart blasts back and forth between specials/elites and the boss during a boss fight

Since they always come with a swarm in Havoc XD

[ocean totem]

Is this a good build for flame staff?

[radiant ice]

Such a tough decision

[plucky flax]

Thats exactly how I have in maelstrom pog

Must be good build

[radiant ice]

Yeah, that's a pretty standard inferno build

[ocean totem]

LMFAO

[weary crane]

https://tenor.com/view/brother-uhh-gif-9035266769326186920

[radiant ice]

Small tweaks to your playstyle as you go probably, but its great

[ocean totem]

https://tenor.com/view/buzz-lightyear-gif-21327280

[plucky flax]

I did veg tru duo with that so it's gud

[radiant ice]

I do prefer Soulstealer over Quietude in that build though

[ocean totem]

At least I’m not playing fucking smite

[radiant ice]

Cause all you're doing is warp kills

But either are real good

[ocean totem]

That’s fair maybe I’ll try it out

I only play gunker lol

[weary crane]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9bb9ee95-0b68-43d7-abd0-05c8aae4258e/soulblaze-psyker-4

Actually good inferno build

[plucky flax]

Bistol is based

[radiant ice]

It's a solid inferno build

[ocean totem]

So I’m trying to actually play different classes 💀

[plucky flax]

Bistol is so cool

[radiant ice]

This however...

Yikes

[plucky flax]

Bistol big sword gaming

[ocean totem]

My gunker drip

[radiant ice]

Why tf are you stacking 41% peril resist with a shield and inferno staff? The literal least generating peril tools we have?

[plucky flax]

I'll get the cool robocop helmet in a bit when home

[ocean totem]

REAL

[plucky flax]

Gotta find ppl to carry me at 35

[ocean totem]

Ik this is psyker but

Krieg zealot looks so good

[weary crane]

Work it out, its not hard to understand

[jovial juniper]

Did they fix Pots?

[radiant ice]

It's a total waste of points

And Souldrinker is... an interesting choice

[weary crane]

[radiant ice]

Also... no Perilous Combustion? are you okie my dude? XD

[ocean totem]

Me except it’s the new Red Bull

Guys

Ik Red Bull sucks

[weary crane]

?

[ocean totem]

But the blue and white red bull is 🫶🏻

[radiant ice]

Stolen and saved

[plucky flax]

No milk?

[final gorge]

blaze greatsword dump stat?

[plucky flax]

Fresh milk in glass bottle hits different

[radiant ice]

Warp Resist, you need Defence

[weary crane]

Win a havoc 40 then continue yappinh

[final gorge]

ty

[radiant ice]

Defence does a lot people overlook

[ocean totem]

Me who’s at havoc level 16 cause all I did was the auric

https://tenor.com/view/hamster-silly-hamster-poor-hamster-sad-hamster-hamster-meme-gif-512226090754065565

[plucky flax]

Thanks for havoc 40 ready build

[weary crane]

Well I'm 35 so you're welcome

[plucky flax]

Omg I was lied to

[patent steeple]

this also me, who's at havoc level 1 because I couldn't beat an auric mael with a crew of QPers...

[radiant ice]

Depending on modifiers, Auric Mael is rough in Quickplay

Especially with the lemmings in it right now trying to unlock Havoc

[ocean totem]

Pox gas

https://tenor.com/view/dance-dança-dançar-dancing-gas-gif-19378172

[radiant ice]

XD

[ocean totem]

Me and my homies HATE pox gas

[weary crane]

Free constant 5% crit chance and more toughness?

[ocean totem]

Constant.

Free.

[radiant ice]

Literally worse than a 5% Crit Node

[weary crane]

How tf

[radiant ice]

As it can only trigger once every 5 seconds

It doesn't refresh

[weary crane]

It lasts 5 seconds

[ocean totem]

BRO

[radiant ice]

Yeah, then you have to reapply

[ocean totem]

YOU CANT EVEN READ

WHY ARE YOU TELLING US WHAT TO DO

😭

[radiant ice]

If you get a second crit after 4 seconds, you still only have 1 second left

A 5% crit node is always on

[patent steeple]

I unironically hate pox gas, because of the spots where the gas isn't there are spots where hordes are fought in my experience, and multiple crushers/maulers are a death sentence in that situation...

[radiant ice]

5% Toughness is literally 2.5% worse than Soulstealer which you didn't take

[ocean totem]

^

[weary crane]

Okay? If any enemy with soulblaze applied on the map dies, then it procs

Which is basically constant, especially if you have another psyker

[ocean totem]

Live unfiltered reaction to pox gas

[radiant ice]

I hate the gas

Both the modifier and those damn bombers

[ocean totem]

Siblings I have a question

You have a blunt rotation with other rejects but you have to invite one officer who do you invite

https://tenor.com/view/ts-important-kyle-south-park-s21e7-double-down-gif-20592969

[radiant ice]

Officer?

[mental rock]

can it be any mission giver or just an officer

[ocean totem]

Idk the named characters

[ocean totem]

Mission giver

[radiant ice]

Oh Hadron easily

[ocean totem]

Idk what to call them

[ocean totem]

Harowette for me

[mental rock]

cause if so its masozi since she brings the booze or kayex because he is best boy

[ocean totem]

Cause she’s the only one who’s nice to us

[radiant ice]

Hadron's dry humour speaks to my soul

Literally still cracks me up in missions sometimes

[ocean totem]

I’ll be her varlet 👅

Last time I triggered perils of the warp with my friends as soon as I stated to go into the animation I said “siblings I think smash or pass with a burgle is a definite smash think of the tentacles”

[radiant ice]

Nah I want Khorne (Demon/Cultist/Himself) to smash me

[patent steeple]

same. The gas bombers are somehow capable of either spawning in or throwing their gas bombs into the worst possible places in the worst possible situation in my experience. for example: the gas bomb lands near a cornered reject who is currently fighting a horde, or sometimes even a pack of aggroed gunners (the gunners are hidden by the gas, making them harder to aim at, assuming the gas buff doesn't apply to ranged attacks...)

[ocean totem]

Angron is scared rn

[blissful solar]

meanwhile, in darktide's psyker chat:

[radiant ice]

Angron can betray my insides

[radiant ice]

Oh wait that's Kharn I'm thinking of

[ocean totem]

Pls never talk to me again

[radiant ice]

Angron is shouty boy

[ocean totem]

Ok hear me out

[blissful solar]

[ocean totem]

Hadron calling you an idiot while I praise her ominisiah

https://tenor.com/view/paul-from-paul-paul-smirk-gif-13766572631470447663

[radiant ice]

Hadron doesn't actually hate us

Ever noticed how fast she is to defend us every time another mission giver says something negative in the split missions?

[ocean totem]

Ykw this might be why the zealots hate us

[radiant ice]

She's just grumpy with a dry sense of humour

[ocean totem]

Smash

[radiant ice]

Hadron hitting other mission handlers with "Only I can bully my brother" energy

[ocean totem]

@radiant ice impossible to pull out

Or impossible to pull out

[radiant ice]

I'd be buried so deep inside her you could call me Excalibur

[ocean totem]

FATSHARKKK

MAKE A DATING GAME

AND MY LIFE

IS YOURS

[radiant ice]

Rogue Trader exists

[ocean totem]

No

I need hadron and rannick

[radiant ice]

...mods? XD

I mean part of my joke is that I'm ace

[marble crater]

Least horny reject

[radiant ice]

Soooo I don't really know if that's a thing or an option in Rogue Trader XD

[blissful solar]

god damn it all psykers

[radiant ice]

But my inner gremlin can't resist the jokes

[blissful solar]

a Warhammer VN would be cool (we dont need to date them)

[radiant ice]

I want a full RPG story game

[quartz barn]

Youre a little late for a hadron dating sim

[weary crane]

https://tenor.com/view/computer-games-gif-26049516

[ocean totem]

I love it when rannick acts all grumpy and bossy 👅

[radiant ice]

First/Third person

[quartz barn]

Unless youre into ntr, because that dude from the moebian steel void mission is a thing now

[jovial juniper]

Is the tragedy that such art exists or that the number is low?

https://tenor.com/view/sheldon-i-dont-need-sleep-i-need-it-gif-20600532

[radiant ice]

Open to interpretation

(It's missing a few zeros on the end)

[ocean totem]

https://tenor.com/view/brown-wild-dog-bidz-gifs-wild-dog-brown-gif-21892797

[jovial gust]

Do you mean Swagger?

[radiant ice]

I still can't decide on perks after a while in the Psykanium

[upper sun]

maniac or elite instead of carapace and ur good

[radiant ice]

Elite?

I thought that was awful

[upper sun]

not always it can help you reach some breakpoints

elite is for gunner one taps and maniac is for trapper non crit one taps

[radiant ice]

I mean I feel like I always do that anyway on my build

(Not to dismiss your opinion, I appreciate the input!)

Just been scratching my head over the numbers all day XD

[upper sun]

best way is to play with each perk and see what you like best

[radiant ice]

Oh I have been

I think I have to keep Flak

For gunners alone if nothing else

Maniac ain't a big deal cause my greatsword one taps mutants and ragers

So I guess I’m between: Elite, Carapace and Unyielding

Or sticking with Crit

[plucky flax]

Any havoc gamers? @summer prairie

[radiant ice]

Which I had before this testing

[summer prairie]

yeah I can play

[plucky flax]

Anyone else? 35 and up I'll get to 40 today

Lfg tool time

[radiant ice]

I wish I could but at work xD

[patent mango]

gm

[radiant ice]

I can mess around in Psykanium on my second monitor

But actual play would likely get me fired xD

[patent mango]

i can hop on

[plucky flax]

Okay

[quartz barn]

Would join but am also at work

[plucky flax]

Paid leave

[quartz barn]

But i have a party with collegues afterwards

[plucky flax]

Oh nice free food?

[formal harness]

we are doing one 40 for fun, my friends need true survivor completed

[plucky flax]

The boss is paying?

[formal harness]

want in?

[plucky flax]

You have 2 spots? Cos Syllo is playing with me.

[quartz barn]

• i want to have 100k at the end of the year so no leave for me

[formal harness]

ah only one, sorry

gl then

[quartz barn]

Currently at 96k

[plucky flax]

[patent mango]

is this game stuck in loading i never know

[summer prairie]

you can play 40

do you get a new 40 when you complete your current one?

or same map

[plucky flax]

Nah I don't progress apparently.

[summer prairie]

I mean if you have progressed to 40

[icy wind]

should I get smite instead of brain rupture

[patent mango]

oh my god it loaded

8725919421 if u got slot

[plucky flax]

Both u and warudo coming anyway
Y

1 sec I have to find my bottle somehow lost it

[patent mango]

its so weird that u get unforgiven frame at 5100

maybe they named it wrong

[plucky flax]

Gotta do something back in a bit

[patent mango]

back

[raw token]

so if im playing someone else's havoc mission and i lose, can i still be demoted in 3 games?

[marble crater]

Some people said no yesterday

[plucky flax]

@summer prairie

@patent mango

[summer prairie]

yes

[plucky flax]

Logging in. It's pox gas btw so I'd probably will go to go zealot.

[quartz barn]

[patent mango]

hi

brb 1m

[plucky flax]

Anyone else wanna join havoc 35?

[runic hornet]

here's a question about the new force swords

is it actually worth taking wrath for "better horde clear" when you can, alternatively, spam wave attacks for their infinite cleave instead?

how high is the damage on an uncharged wave

[patent mango]

gm

[patent mango]

like 2

[runic hornet]

you only have to quell a tiny bit to recharge and fire another wave, so the idea of breaking up hyperconcentration by flinging multiple uncharged waves seems hilraious to me

[warm spindle]

Uncharged waves do ~50 damage

[whole oxide]

basically nothing

[feral verge]

uncharged wave dmg is bad up close

non existent further away

[warm spindle]

But they still stagger and proc warp buffs so its not “useless”

the new sword is fire though

I wish base force swords had a mechanic like this does

[quartz barn]

Regular force swords got powercrept

[near wyvern]

It would be nice if you could keep holding the FGS special to increase the charge at the cost of peril so that you could actually use the special to thin the incoming horde. Now it's more of a fancy move to pull once the fight is basically over since the decay and round down prevent you from nuking the next horde.

[near wyvern]

Not really, the dodges were upgraded to Deimos quality and they don't require the +10% attack speed node to function.

[warm spindle]

Does the force GS get buffs from having a charge or am I insane

[patent mango]

doesnt

[mossy oyster]

holding special with heavy (currently) is only for dramatic effect

its pretty good at that

other than that just spam light when its charged (because you can get smacked out of special)

[round coyote]

What’s the dump stat for the recons?

[whole oxide]

this is my main problem with FGS, it looks flashy, but its mainly just style-points to win-more, it rarely gets you out of a genuinely bad spot

[fringe garden]

I dunno, I constantly use the charge to insta clear whole hordes

[near wyvern]

Mobility

[near wyvern]

Spotted the malice player

[fringe garden]

Hardly

Usually auric Heresy or regular damnation

[near wyvern]

On Damnation the special cant kill anything above bruisers

At max charge

[round coyote]

I kinda thought so. Thanks. 🫡 one more question if you will

Which one is the best at dealing with bosses? I’m already running a scriers build so I’m just curious to see which one will help me with my weak spot

[fringe garden]

I said hordes, right?

[near wyvern]

Unless you like have a shit ton of buffs going on, but still

[fringe garden]

And also, yes, obviously DD is thing

[near wyvern]

Deleting trash is nothing but a funny VFX, plenty of ways to delete trash in the game. I.e. I press ult and trash will be goneth

[fringe garden]

And I can press a charge button on the sword to do the same. It's effective and fun. It's not the end all be all, but it's a decent move in the toolkit

[near wyvern]

The special has very poor crit scaling so for deleting the whole horde, nope. In general DD is good with FGS regular attacks though.

[near wyvern]

None. Your monstrosity damage comes from infernus so the actual gun is irrelevant. You should only aim to keep the dot up and running and not waste ammo. If you are looking to delete bosses Vraks IAG is what you seek for.

[quartz barn]

Why would the charge not killing tankier enemies matter

You clear the entire horde surrounding them

[near wyvern]

Cause it doesn't do that. Would be nice id it did.

[hazy moss]

does perfect timing increase smite damage?

[near wyvern]

Yes but hard to keep it up during smite

Like if we are talking about smiting forever with EP and Creeping Flames

And if we are not who cares, smite damage without EP is meh

[hazy moss]

im just trying to put together a support bubble smite build

does enfeeble increase smite damage?

[near wyvern]

With MK8 trash is not an issue, you can CC them while you combo a Crusher for example. Trash is actually good for toughness gen.

[round coyote]

Thanks g

[hazy moss]

what do u guys think of this support build

i have mettle for my lasgun

i think mettle might be a waste here tho

[near wyvern]

I like it. No suboptimal talents picked, you have KD which is perhaps the strongest talent in the game. Smite with EP and Empyric Resolve is a good one. Should be Havoc ready.

[near wyvern]

Depends on your choice of ranged / melee but mettle is mostly very good for the cost of access

[jovial juniper]

I don't like it
Solely because Shield Smite combo and nothing else

Should be pretty solid though

[hazy moss]

im a smyker hater, but in high havoc ive started loving smykers on my team, so ive decided to become the change i wanna see in the world :')

[reef orchid]

hello what is the dump stat on the electrokinrtic staff

[jovial juniper]

Probably Warp Res

[raw token]

is full smite support build actually good in high havoc though?

[wet cloak]

Isn't Warp Res the dump stat for everything it is on?

[weary crane]

Any smite player from eu wanna play 40 havoc

[near wyvern]

Depends a bit from what you aim for with it. Check Atheneum.

[feral verge]

no

[hazy moss]

no

lmao

[feral verge]

trauma staff with low warp resist is sad

[weary crane]

It is

There's no nurgle blessing so its useful

[wet cloak]

@feral verge So everything but trauma staff

[hazy moss]

"full smite"

[warm spindle]

warp res is good on surge staff imo

[urban sandal]

surge staff generates so much peril even with full warp res I dump crit

[warm spindle]

but Id always rather have damage

[weary crane]

Well if it's empowered then its fine

[reef orchid]

looking at a build on this website and the staff uses warp flurry and nexus

[feral verge]

depends on taste. o nstaves, i actually prefer dumping quell speed, since quelling is so fast as it is

however, quelling is slow on havoc

[near wyvern]

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2917274959

[feral verge]

so having a few high quell speed staves just for havoc is nice

[weary crane]

It changes on havoc?

I thought it was slower for some reason

[urban sandal]

higher havoc levels reduce quell speed yeah

[feral verge]

quell speed is slower on havoc

high havoc

[near wyvern]

Havoc reduces quell speed but doesn't seem to affect quelling by blessings, talents and abilities

[weary crane]

I have 30% and 80 and it took ages lol

[idle aurora]

What's a better trauma for havoc in ur opinion? I am currently at lvl34 with blaze trauma, but the amount of armoured shit makes me reconsider for rending

[weary crane]

Yeah you should take it over soulblaze

I'll stack the soulblaze with inferno

[urban sandal]

blaze does more damage and kills more but rending stunlocks more and helps the whole team's dmg

[weary crane]

[near wyvern]

The rending shockeave is too little to be effective

[hazy moss]

soulbaze is pretty strong into armor

[near wyvern]

If you aim to do anti armour you want to take a look at warp flurry

Trauma ignores armour anyway with the direct hits

[idle aurora]

Ye, the standard flurry / wave, or nexus / blaze traumas

[urban sandal]

does soulblaze do damage to scab ragers cara armour now? or are they still considered flak for dots

[raw token]

at the end of the week is there havoc level decay or is the only way to go down losing

[near wyvern]

Meat grinder says carapace but damage is same as flak and boosted by +flak perk

[urban sandal]

thats alright then

[near wyvern]

There is decay if you did not play havoc at all

You have to finish a single mission, W or L, to not decay

[jovial juniper]

What?

Bruh

[quartz barn]

Nice code fs

[jovial juniper]

Fat been sharking

[quartz barn]

Their core name prob got changed but the parameters didnt

[hazy moss]

i had yellow toughness and a full wound

[analog agate]

I have found more luck/being helpful with soul blaze trauma rather than rending in 30s. Soulblaze helps take out the beefiness of the enemies

We haven’t had a problem with armor yet

[jovial juniper]

I would believe this 100%

[quartz barn]

Itd be super scuffed if it wasnt even a parameter, but just a name

[near wyvern]

And this is why we have the theory of HP stacking might be a thing for high havocs

[quartz barn]

Because youd want it to automatically update

[hazy moss]

psyker already felt squishy before, but i feel like i cant get touched in high havoc at all

[quartz barn]

I mean have you seen bots

Poor bois get bullied

[near wyvern]

Yeah, if there is emperors fading light it's fucking Vietnam. I have learnt to love the boxes and little nooks that I never appreciated before.

(Enemy ranged units fire more rapidly)

[analog agate]

Bubble it up brobrafetts

[nocturne dust]

you get one shot whether you HP stack or not

Use bubble

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1046914150363844779/1313803542196391936/elmopsyker.gif

[near wyvern]

Triple stamina it is then

[analog agate]

Yeah, the one shot is weird

Sometimes it happens and other times it isn’t one shot

[quartz barn]

Make sure to run triple corruption resist too

With all the gas and green floor paint

[nocturne dust]

To be fair, I don't normally expect someone to survive a shotgun to the face

[near wyvern]

Triple stamina with Deflector. I am the Ogryn now.

And a bubble for the bitches

[analog agate]

I wonder if that is what has happened to me. But no gun shot sounds so it feels like I “just die” out of nowhere

[quartz barn]

shotgunner is literally a ranged crusher

[urban sandal]

don't forget the +2 stam perk and 3x block eff

[quartz barn]

Double shot is rough

[hazy moss]

https://tenor.com/view/chuckles-im-in-danger-ralph-wiggum-the-simpsons-gif-14149962

me when i turn a corner and i hear the racking of a dozen shotguns

[quartz barn]

First takes your toughness and stuns you, second kills

Green reapers are kinda bs too

Mfw i shoot 5 double voidstrike shots and it doesnt kill

[hazy moss]

reapers post patch are nightmares

[near wyvern]

Green Plogryn was funny. Not a threat, just a slow bump on the road.

[urban sandal]

if a reaper touches your hp it's over lol

[upper sun]

overheads in havoc give u super aids now

[near wyvern]

I bet LMB builds kill them faster

[upper sun]

we need khorn blessed enemies where they get attack speed and damage but have less HP

[little pier]

If I don’t really want to spec the inferno staff for one enemy type, is crit damage going to be decent enough across the board?

[near wyvern]

Crit damage is shit, crit chance is crazy good

[quartz barn]

No cant do, crit build is for oneshotting gunner groups as they spawn in

[nocturne dust]

don't ever use crit damage

ever

[quartz barn]

Actually massive too

[nocturne dust]

[upper sun]

crit damage is meme territory

[near wyvern]

A sad meme that is. Illisi fire meme is at least funny.

[upper sun]

weakspot on ds4s at least is slightly less meme but other perks are better

[little pier]

Are the moebian 21st considered flak armor?

[nocturne dust]

We could've had a real fire sword with Force GS 😭

[upper sun]

i dont understand why they even included it in fgs

[near wyvern]

Coming in 2028. The bug report is acknowledged.

[nocturne dust]

https://tenor.com/view/sad-fade-fade-away-disappear-evaporate-gif-16638726229780416323

[icy wind]

which is more prefer on psyker ability? the brain pop or the smite one

[nocturne dust]

[upper sun]

i have reports for map issues from 5 months ago

[nocturne dust]

I thought soulblaze not working with ranged slice was intended?

[jovial juniper]

Smite for the sole purpose of MM and Psy Aura

[near wyvern]

Depends on the rest of your kit. All Blitzes have their purposes.

[icy wind]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9da611bf-3ad5-45ea-adad-c1688476fabe/hechs-havoc-lvl40-purg-bubble-build

I want to play this build

but maybe with smite

[little pier]

What armor type are the moebian 21st? Flak?

[upper sun]

this is not great

[nocturne dust]

except BB

[urban sandal]

the armoured horde guys? yeah they're flak with unarmoured heads

[nocturne dust]

BB's purpose is KF

[icy wind]

why?

[marble crater]

Hech did say that the build is special for the comp they used and only works for that

[little pier]

Yeah the ones from the modifier.

[analog agate]

I actually may stop running KF on high havoc too… cause BB scales ppooooooorrllyyy

[urban sandal]

they're just weaker scab bruisers basically

[nocturne dust]

it actually makes a ton of sense for Havoc

[nocturne dust]

yeah it feels so trash

even more than normal

one long BB is bad, but two just to pop a sniper? yeesh

[upper sun]

yeah like @marble crater said most cases you're gonna get a lot of corruption this doesnt have hp or corrpuption resist i dont understand the point of getting a ds4 and dumping damage instead of using a knife.
and the rending talent really doesnt do much getting less peril for stagger spam might be better

[nocturne dust]

oh, that stuff

I only looked at talents

[analog agate]

I’m going to be doing smite… and bubble. Oh, oh god

[near wyvern]

BB is good with inferno staff because you don't need smite and you should be purging and not throwing funny darts, also wildfire is on the left side which allows you to effectively purge two directions.

That being said you don't use BB much outside of killing a sniper

[upper sun]

tbh

[nocturne dust]

Yes, but BB is good because of other things and not BB

[hazy moss]

is bb bubble?

[nocturne dust]

no

brainburst

[analog agate]

BB is brain rupture

[upper sun]

if you're in havoc with a premade teamcomp going smite purge isnt a bad idea if you have someone you can trust to deal with armor and snipers

[hazy moss]

oh

[nocturne dust]

I highly recommend you don't try using it at all on Havoc

Get good teammates that cover for inferno

[lone ravine]

The only time I’ve ever used BB in havoc was for snipers

[nocturne dust]

You just don't have time to BB on Havoc

[marble crater]

[lone ravine]

Thankfully I’m only at havoc 20 so far

[near wyvern]

Well, I have been running LMB Electro with EP Smite + Creeping Flames and so far that has been pretty strong, just requires good positioning.

[honest moon]

gonna be trying out the sparkhead today any class specific tips for a noob?

[nocturne dust]

I mean, I'm not running EP smite

I don't give a crap how hard the game gets

[feral verge]

im also using lmb spam electro staff

[nocturne dust]

I ain't running it

[nocturne dust]

a lot

[near wyvern]

I respect that, but since I have a guide with something about META I need to sacrifice my honor in the name of science and test different builds out

[lone ravine]

You don’t explode if what ever you’re casting will bring you up to 100 peril but only if you cast at 100 peril

[nocturne dust]

oofies

[honest moon]

thats definitely gonna be getting me some extra cheeky casts

[upper sun]

pygex the type of dude to inject himself with untested vaccines 😭

[nocturne dust]

note, that's not true for everything, just most things

[broken carbon]

basically don’t start a cast at 97% peril or above

[nocturne dust]

[broken carbon]

i think it’s 97%

[lone ravine]

It’s generally safe to stay below 97

[near wyvern]

But hey, they are tested after I look like dogpool

[honest moon]

noted

[marble crater]

Play like every melee attack might kill you, because it will

[nocturne dust]

dodge and weave

[honest moon]

thats gonna be a pretty big switchup from ogryn but no better time to get better at dodging i suppose

[nocturne dust]

The universe is a slide whistle because all you can do is slide

[lone ravine]

Also isn’t the base ult for psyker only like a 10% quell?

[nocturne dust]

yes

Base shriek sucks

[analog agate]

I haven’t seen a nurgle blessing havoc yet (they happen past 35?) so I imagine EP smite build is good

[near wyvern]

Yeah, read the manual.

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2917274959

[lone ravine]

Just save your shriek for if you accidentally start exploding

[urban sandal]

or to get a dog off a teammate

[honest moon]

hell yeah psykers got their own ogrynomicon

[lone ravine]

Or if you need to save a teammate from a dog through walls

[urban sandal]

through walls

[nocturne dust]

https://tenor.com/view/uncanny-emoji-angry-hakayaki-hakayaki-angry-emoji-gif-13101565263917230073

Nurgle blessed is going to be such cancer

[analog agate]

The decreased quell speed in the 30s really feels bad, haha

[lone ravine]

The shriek reaches up to 30 meters through walls

[nocturne dust]

ER purg?

[bitter escarp]

what's the dump stat for Kantrael heavy laspistol, stability?

especially if using as mobility stat stick for fgs build

[little pier]

I had always run this fine before the havoc update but now for havoc I think it’s a bit too far on the squishy side. What are y’all’s thoughts?

[lone ravine]

Wait does las pistol have a collat stat?

[bitter escarp]

nah, has stopping power

[lone ravine]

Ah

[analog agate]

Yeah, I bet purg will feel fine. I have, obviously, only been doing trauma. But then again, the other teams I have played with REALLY needed the trauma staff

[lone ravine]

Old ahh talent tree

[little pier]

Yeah it’s been basically the same since the first talent tree update lol

[quick heath]

how is melee psyk doing in higher havoc?

[hazy moss]

not good

[little pier]

Wait hold on I uploaded the wrong one

[lone ravine]

lol

[little pier]

This is it

[nocturne dust]

No KD but reaching for dat anticipation?

[nocturne dust]

Bubble

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1046914150363844779/1313803542196391936/elmopsyker.gif

[lone ravine]

If you’re going for crit talents on the top there you should get the crit = ranged dodging talent instead of anticipation

[near wyvern]

It's viable in Aurics but not as good as ranged builds so I wouldn't touch that shit in havocs

[little pier]

I was going for that ranged damage node. And my thoughts were that anticipation was a universllly good survivability talent. May not be worth it for havoc now though.

[nocturne dust]

Anticipation is eh.

EE is also eh unless you have something fast firing

[near wyvern]

Why do you take Anticipation over KD??? You did not get the memo?

[little pier]

What KD referring to?

[lone ravine]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1288701442122846322.gif?quality=lossless&name=Biruta&size=128

[lone ravine]

Kinetic deflection block = peril gen instead of stamina

[little pier]

Oh idk I never was a fan of deflection.

[nocturne dust]

I would swap to bubble, havocs are such a problem without it that they feel pretty necessary. I bet some gods can get away with not using them.

[hazy moss]

kevin durant

[nocturne dust]

https://tenor.com/view/weakness-disgusts-me-madara-uchiha-madara-naruto-weakness-disgust-me-gif-17219305

[quick heath]

could’ve been worse, sounds fine to me

[lone ravine]

Bubble also just gives a lot of value to your team

[hazy moss]

kinetic deflection is one of the most op talents in the game 💀

[lone ravine]

Can’t you still permanently block a DH with it?

[nocturne dust]

yes

easily

[hazy moss]

yea

[calm atlas]

should i not upgrade this to keep low warp resist or do i need to hit dmg/burn breaks

[hazy moss]

its the only way to "solo" it as psyker

[ocean totem]

Dude that’s perfect

[little pier]

Yeah I would take smite bubble for havoc any day over that build. But in the off chance that someone already runs that I wanted a different option.

[hazy moss]

tho most of it relies on venting shriek and kd

[ocean totem]

Upgrade that to max

[nocturne dust]

upgrade it

[mental rock]

you want burn as high as possible

[ocean totem]

Sigh all my builds needs venting shriek

I play gunker ):

[lone ravine]

Gunker but no gaze?

[ocean totem]

Dude I just had a brain fart

[nocturne dust]

Gunker with shriek and not gaze?

[ocean totem]

Mb

Wrong stat

WRONG ABILITY

IT WAS A MISSINPUT

[cosmic sigil]

That's og gunker

[ocean totem]

I HAD A BRAIN FART

[lone ravine]

https://tenor.com/view/tupid-stupid-cat-stupid-car-tupidcar-stupidkitten-gif-15711300039642165407

[ocean totem]

https://tenor.com/view/moistcritikal-penguinz0-charlie-misinput-it-was-a-misinput-gif-23090919

[lone ravine]

Bro is playing shriek gunker

[honest moon]

in warp

[nocturne dust]

and OG gunker is just bad staffker

[cosmic sigil]

Illisi revolver gunker can go left

[nocturne dust]

a shame upon our houses

[ocean totem]

IT WAS A MISSINPUT

I USE GAZE

[lone ravine]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1288701442122846322.gif?quality=lossless&name=Biruta&size=128

[ocean totem]

AND BPISTOL

[hazy moss]

shriek gunker is op bc you can shriek to supress the enemies and get easy shots off

[nocturne dust]

ew 🅱️istol 🤮 (this is my highly biased opinion and not representative of meta)

[lone ravine]

But then they’re running away because they’re suppressed

[cosmic sigil]

My experience of og gunker is before the last rework so....

[near wyvern]

Burn 76% is needed for max soulblaze stacks

[nocturne dust]

Shriek is OP yes

Gunker doesn't play into it

[near wyvern]

There is no reason to not fully upgrade infernus staff

[hazy moss]

this is how u get max value from raking fire blessing

[lone ravine]

Raking fire = fuck BoN in particular

[ocean totem]

This is my build

[cosmic sigil]

I mean play what you want.

[nocturne dust]

Yes

But also

[ocean totem]

I’m a real gunker ok 😔

[nocturne dust]

HOW DARE YOU NOT PLAY THE MOST META AND OP BUILD

[hazy moss]

shriek gunker

[nocturne dust]

YOU SHOULD PERISH FOR YOUR SINS, HERETIC

[hazy moss]

how r u gunker with ep

[cosmic sigil]

Booooring

[hazy moss]

(not judging)

[nocturne dust]

(harshly judging)

[ocean totem]

I play smite and and shield w the stun not the bubble :3

[cosmic sigil]

Scryers

[ocean totem]

(Satire)

[ocean totem]

I have scryers and assail

[cosmic sigil]

I have tested the new force gs. There's an opinion on mark and blessings?

[ocean totem]

My gun is a bolt pistol

[nocturne dust]

mk 6

[ocean totem]

I need horde clear

[nocturne dust]

wrath + whatever

[hazy moss]

https://tenor.com/view/understandable-have-nice-day-have-a-great-day-have-a-good-day-nice-gif-20850110

[ocean totem]

So I run EP

[cosmic sigil]

Is that the one with a stab after the push?

[nocturne dust]

no

[hazy moss]

nah thats the mk8

[ocean totem]

It’s bpistol gunker w bleed and run and gun

[hazy moss]

nice, what melee weapon?

[ocean totem]

And I run uncanny slaughter force sword

[ocean totem]

Illisi

[icy wind]

what stat that I should get it to 60?

[hazy moss]

man i love the illsi

[cosmic sigil]

Ok so mk6 is more horde clearing with wrath and nice swipes

[ocean totem]

It’s a great time

Uh hold on

Lemme pull up my build

[nocturne dust]

no?

[radiant ice]

Warp Resist

[hazy moss]

i thought mk8 was the more hordeclear one

[nocturne dust]

mk6 is the elite killer

mk8 is

horde clear

[radiant ice]

Mk8 is bae

[ocean totem]

@hazy moss

[radiant ice]

But both marks are amazing, use whichever animation set you prefer

[nocturne dust]

mk6 is generally more popular and the heavies are easily spammed for elite deletion

[bitter escarp]

they both bonk elites and horde, it's a matter of slight differences in emphasis

[ocean totem]

@hazy moss

[near wyvern]

You mixed up the marks but funnily Mk8 is better Horde clear and faster & safer Crusher kills

[cosmic sigil]

Between the relics and the forces I am a bit lost with the combos...

[bitter escarp]

mk6 can strikedown like an executioner's sword, but is a little less safe doing so

mk8 stab is a bit of a faff to reach but the push gives you safety

[hazy moss]

all mk8 heavies are strikedown unless u do pa

[nocturne dust]

Not like you can push crushers with mk6

[hazy moss]

ive realized mk6 can go l1 into thrust

[nocturne dust]

hahahha

hahaha....

wait

[bitter escarp]

try it

[nocturne dust]

it can but h1 is good

[hazy moss]

why waste time pushing crusher when u can just kill them

[nocturne dust]

no reason to skip h1 on mk6

[hazy moss]

i agree

[bitter escarp]

touche, it's just slightly slower to get to than mk 6

[hazy moss]

mk6 h1 very good opener

[ocean totem]

I wish brain burst was better 😔

[nocturne dust]

we all do 😔

[ocean totem]

I like BB but I only run it on burn build psyker

[near wyvern]

This is why Mk8 is better than Mk6. It has better horde clear and this combo.

[ocean totem]

Just to kill snipers

[hazy moss]

tbh whenever i go brain burst i just grab the talent that makes it auto proc once every 15 seconds and i dont even use it i just staff spam 💀

brain burst just makes me feel sad :(

[ocean totem]

LMFAO REALP

[nocturne dust]

Everyone knows the combo, it ain't worth

[ocean totem]

It’s good to take out snipers and gunners

Snipers gunners and bonbers

[hazy moss]

yea especially behind cover

[ocean totem]

^

I use it on my burn build

[hazy moss]

also ive seen psyker do good boss dmg with ep and bb but i feel like u run out of ep stacks quick

[near wyvern]

And you think spamming single target strike down heavies with no CC around you is a better idea?

[nocturne dust]

Crushers are trivial alone

[hazy moss]

i personally do bc while im doing that im also dodging

[nocturne dust]

which is where that CC would matter

In a group, pushing one ain't gonna do crap

[little pier]

Does kinetic Deflection benefit from the improved blocking from Deflector blessing?

[ocean totem]

Also psyker drip goes so hard

[nocturne dust]

yes

[near wyvern]

Guess what. You can dodge while you are at it too, push one and poke another and repeat

[nocturne dust]

and you can dodge on mk 6 too

so your point is null

[near wyvern]

It's really not, cause you can access the stab directly after a push where as mk6 has to cycle through an attack and it has slower heavies as well

[nocturne dust]

Both heavies do good damage

[near wyvern]

Stab does a lot more

[nocturne dust]

It's not 'cycling', you want to hit them all

[hazy moss]

yea h1-h2 1 shots crushers

technically 2 shot*

[nocturne dust]

Than two heavies? No.

And the push takes time.

[near wyvern]

Not without buffs. If we are counting buffs Mk 8 can one shot.

[hazy moss]

assuming average dd and sg value in combat*

[near wyvern]

If we are talking about 2 heavies it doesn't matter what mark you use

[near wyvern]

Luckily the heavies come out so fast. Push (attack) applies CC which will buy you time

[zinc phoenix]

“Hello, bag department? I’ll take every one you have as long as you glue em to my tits”

[nocturne dust]

or just do two heavies on mk 6 which will do more damage and take about the same time

[zinc phoenix]

I feel like the mk8 is better with smite surge

You already have good tools for the heavy stuff but rely on shriek and its cooldown for the light stuff

[nocturne dust]

Maybe, I definitely don't play smite surge

[zinc phoenix]

Mk8 gives you good easy to use horde delete power with some nice ways to pivot into a mega poke

[bitter escarp]

either mark mulches hordes tbh

[celest valve]

you can double shield and turn the brain blurst into a machine gun

[nocturne dust]

Yeah

[zinc phoenix]

Depends on the horde

Mobian 21 is a lot fiddlier to deal with with the mk6 imo

[nocturne dust]

Which is why wrath

[zinc phoenix]

Goop pox walker I definitely prefer the mk8

[bitter escarp]

are you assuming a H/L alternating?

on the Mk 8

[cosmic sigil]

Wrath and precog work?

[zinc phoenix]

Yeah, vs llpush or hl alternate on mk6

You can go llh but imo llpush is better for keeping stuff from popping you in the face

[bitter escarp]

I accidentally got the scrier's gaze 40 kill penance while running a stock fgs I picked up on HI damnation

my buddy was malded

[celest valve]

mk6 does have a hore clear combo but it's more difficult

l1 l2 l3 h3 or push lightattack h3

the light attack after a push or pushattack is the only horizontal move the mk6 has

[strange jewel]

Pls share with me the most meta shit you can bring to lv 30+ havoc

[zinc phoenix]

It has two horizontal lights and you can combo them but getting into the chain is a pain

[fringe garden]

I've grown to like the push attack stab of the mark 8 well enough. It's not ideal, but it can get the job done

[strange jewel]

My electricity staff feel like is not doing much 😔

[zinc phoenix]

• vs mob 21 I tend to prefer the strike downs bc they’re better for the headshots

[celest valve]

i mean horizontal horizontal, not diagonal which the first three light attacks have

[zinc phoenix]

Push ll goes two horizontal

[celest valve]

does it

[zinc phoenix]

I was getting it last night pretty consistently

[celest valve]

you'd probably still want the H3 tho

[zinc phoenix]

Depends on the situation

[analog agate]

I think they did a really good job with the balancing of the fgs. Both feel good and it really comes down to move set preferences

[zinc phoenix]

Vs goop walkers lights are plenty

They’re gonna explode to basically any hit and killing them before they get close is way more important than total damage

[fringe garden]

People on the subreddit talking about the fga being weak are crazy

[strange jewel]

Whats fgs lmao

[broken carbon]

reddit is stupid

[broken carbon]

force great sword

[zinc phoenix]

Reddit is full of morons and has been since it started

[strange jewel]

Ah okay

[nocturne dust]

Reddit is very intelligent. They have great ideas and are cool. (I'm lying)

[celest valve]

https://www.reddit.com/r/DarkTide/comments/1h62kcz/new_psyker_greatsword_is_sooo_satisfying/

gonna drop this video again

[bitter escarp]

reddit is weird because you can get some serious tismal deep dive shit in the niche communities

then you hit a game community and it's fucken cooked

[strange jewel]

Yeah, too many weirdos

[zinc phoenix]

It’s mostly morons

[bitter escarp]

too many people playing the subreddit instead of playing the game

[fringe garden]

The meltdown over the Ogryn "nerf" was pretty funny

[zinc phoenix]

Intelligent people get driven away over time by the shit tide

[bitter escarp]

depends on the communities, if it's not just a content/upvote farm it works out

[tribal echo]

deimos would be so much better if H2 was H1 instead

[zinc phoenix]

Private groups on Facebook/discord/linkedin/similar are where the actually intelligent people tend to hang out

[bitter escarp]

been lurking ergomech keyboards forever now, consistently high quality content

[celest valve]

the ogryn nerf didn't even change any nodes afaik lol it just moved them around

[bitter escarp]

though yes, the discords are also baller

[raw token]

so real

[zinc phoenix]

Reddit and Twitter tends to just be idiot loudmouths screeching at idiot loudmouths

[strange jewel]

Faaaacts

[zinc phoenix]

There are some very very very rare exceptions mostly created by excellent moderators

[strange jewel]

Heavy - block- heavy block loop would be so good

[nocturne dust]

https://tenor.com/view/weakness-disgusts-me-madara-uchiha-madara-naruto-weakness-disgust-me-gif-17219305

[bitter escarp]

basically the more hobbyist and niche and inaccessible it is, the flatter the curve between reddit and discord

[celest valve]

learn the ways of the chaining

[strange jewel]

But we can do it with duelings swords but I dont like the fashion of that toothpic

[tribal echo]

i know the ways but its still annoying lol

[nocturne dust]

This reads like some old Facebook/LinkedIn foggie

[tribal echo]

i just push now to chain into it

[strange jewel]

Ye, sometimes I forgor which is which cz of brainfart or dissociated for a second

[bitter escarp]

I see your endgame keyboard is also in some random dude's github 👀

[zinc phoenix]

It’s just reality. The very best posters tend to have contrary opinions to the masses because they actually took the time to look deeply into the way whatever it is works. And because of their contrary opinion they will get downvoted into oblivion/screeched at in public fora. By contrast in a private invite only slack/whatsapp group with good moderators they get signal boosted because the morons aren’t allowed in

[raw token]

lol strange that 🤔

[celest valve]

push attacks are very strong for psyker

[bitter escarp]

alternatively, the subject matter could just be of very little interest to the average knuckledragger

[celest valve]

0.5s stamina recovery means infinite push attacks

only other class that can do that is veteran with two nodes

[bitter escarp]

stamina regen perks on curios?

[celest valve]

unsure if that affects delay. You don't need more stamina, you need non zero.

[bitter escarp]

yeah to initiate the push attack

[celest valve]

This also lets psyker forever sprint I think by chaining slides but that's hard.

[haughty star]

How does lmb fare in high havoc?

[nocturne dust]

That's a lil 4channy for me, man

"The masses are dumb and wrong and it is I who is smart"

[bitter escarp]

perks only affect rate, unfortunately, not delay

[nocturne dust]

[zinc phoenix]

I’ve said plenty I don’t know all about Darktide and that I doubt I’ll make it to havoc 30

[haughty star]

Doesn't psyker literally have like 0 delay?

[zinc phoenix]

The difference between me and the actual morons is I’m able to accurately judge where I am on the skill ladder in this game: good but not great

[celest valve]

no, 0.5s

[bitter escarp]

there's some chucklefucks on the darktide subreddit I regret having to block

[nocturne dust]

That's also a fallacy though, everyone thinks they're above average but not top

[bitter escarp]

because I was always guaranteed a fractally shit tier take whenever I came across their posts

[zinc phoenix]

Havoc 25 is clearly well above average for the game

[nocturne dust]

Sure

[zinc phoenix]

Havoc 30+ is a separate tier

[nocturne dust]

But the vast, vast majority don't even go into aurics

[zinc phoenix]

That’s where I’d draw the line for great

[zinc phoenix]

Yes, that’s my point

They are bad but still think they can tell everyone else how to play the game

I’m perfectly happy to say that what is good depends on situation and playstyle and skill 🤷‍♀️

[bitter escarp]

the people in higher level havocs are a thin slice of a thin slice

[nocturne dust]

sure, but people at all levels will tell others how to play the game

[zinc phoenix]

And if they’re at the top wedge of the skill tree, fine. They probably do know best about this game

[nocturne dust]

It's easy to have a 'wrong' view of the game because there's a million ways to be wrong, but only one way to be right.

[zinc phoenix]

Nobody getting corrected by Stephen hawking about physics thinks they’re in the right for example 😂

[nocturne dust]

Mmmm, I dunno

[bitter escarp]

academic slapfights?

[zinc phoenix]

If you were corrected by a ghost about a topic would you really want a slapfight?

[nocturne dust]

Sure, but no matter how great you are, you are likely wrong about some things

[bitter escarp]

and Hawking pedigree doesn't really translate to, say, teaching ability for high school or college level physics

[nocturne dust]

Even Einstein was wrong on occasion

even in your field of expertise

[zinc phoenix]

Yeah but starting from the assumption that the person who is demonstrably at the top of the skill ladder is wrong and you’re gonna prove without getting up to that tier implies a serious burden of proof on you

[nocturne dust]

you can be wrong

[bitter escarp]

for that you go to Khan Academy, or Walter Lewin

[radiant frigate]

i am above average because i assume that most pubs are average and i am above them

[nocturne dust]

That feels like a strawman

[radiant frigate]

humble btw

[zinc phoenix]

?

[nocturne dust]

Nobody said anything about assuming wrongness

[zinc phoenix]

It’s a straightforward assessment

[nocturne dust]

You're correct but it's not related to my argument

[bitter escarp]

ghosts aint publishing any more dawg

[zinc phoenix]

Which is what exactly?

[zinc phoenix]

https://onlinechatbot.ai/chatbots/stephen-hawking/

[bitter escarp]

the field moves on, and a view that was correct in light of the evidence as of 5 years ago could be wilfully wrong now

[raw token]

turning into reddit by the second

[zinc phoenix]

My work here is done

All we need to do now is post some porn gifs

Rottit

[nocturne dust]

That people of all skill levels can be wrong, and while it is wise to trust experts it is wiser still to understand them and know where they err.

[bitter escarp]

yeah increasingly clear that there's redditor tier views on epistemology and pedagogy being bandied about

[thorn cedar]

youre all just shadows on the wall of my cave, who cares what you think

[nocturne dust]

and also that it is weird to be all elitist about communities and go 'the people are wrong'

[zinc phoenix]

I think that’s a huge step away from the actual topic we started with: Reddit and other public fora have a bunch of morons who drown out actual expertise

Look at askhistorians, one of the genuinely good parts of Reddit

[thorn cedar]

people are pretty much always wrong as a group yes

[zinc phoenix]

They have to take an extremely heavy handed approach to moderation to prevent the tidal wave of morons from overwhelming comments by PhDs on the topic in question

The same issue is present in any public forum

[bitter escarp]

yes, they gatekeep, what of it?

[zinc phoenix]

When you give the public a voice it uses it to say dumb shit

[analog agate]

Darktide Reddit mods should only allow people who are Discord users to comment

[zinc phoenix]

Darktide Reddit moderators should only accept class guides by people in havoc 30+

Which doesn’t include me

[full wing]

Hi folks happy friday,

For high havoc (35+) with fading light 2, it feels like VT2's cata death wish where its density/armor to the max

I get that proper pacing is a thing, but is it a good idea to backtrack to handle hordes/multi bosses better?

And with shooters sneezing at you and then you're basically dead -- is it better to just Ds4 -> Deflector? Cant find much of a solution besides bubble/cover... BB stopped being helpful also..

Side note -- would you bother with clandestium at havoc 35? 👀

[nocturne dust]

Sure, but I don't think separating yourself from the public conceptually is good. You are just every bit as fallible as the public, and it is important to remember that.

[analog agate]

They just need to be specific. Havoc 20 build vs Havoc 30 build will be different. Well, should be different

[zinc phoenix]

Look at the gameslantern build guides. Does anyone think the general public has produced a selection of excellent guides there?

No, people mock it constantly

[radiant frigate]

pff, nonsense
i am never wrong

[bitter escarp]

thing is that he argues that he has (ostensibly) sufficient self-awareness for an accurate self-evaluation

[zinc phoenix]

As i keep demonstrating i do not consider myself god almighty or an expert at the game. Idk why you feel the need to keep repeating memento mori in my ear

[bitter escarp]

skill and instruction are different though

we don't demand top coaches for anything boast a top tier record competing

[zinc phoenix]

In other games they at least have a “pro” tag for build guides written by people who know what they are talking about

[thorn cedar]

You're fighting the AI director and the director kills you by spawning stuff as you move forward. Falling back is almost always the right play as soon as fights or rooms get heavy to prevent new triggers.

[bitter escarp]

in fact, most coaches are pretty fucking mid, at best

[zinc phoenix]

Yeah and they get paid like it

[nocturne dust]

🤷‍♂️ I don't know why you keep asking for my point as if I have some elaborate, well-thought argument. My point is your phrasing is

[zinc phoenix]

The actually good coaches are extremely well paid tho

[bitter escarp]

you're missing the point, coaching and playing aren't the same thing

[thorn cedar]

for being good coaches, not for being pro players

[zinc phoenix]

Nobody is hiring a tennis coach with no tourney wins

[bitter escarp]

you're pulling some motte and bailey shit here with how you're conflating things

[zinc phoenix]

You keep trying to generalize an argument about Reddit into an argument about epistemological factors because you don’t want to admit you agree 🤷‍♀️

[thorn cedar]

this is like when dummies point to fatshark streams of the devs playing the game and say it proves they dont know how to balance the game

[radiant frigate]

glad to see psyker chat is having a normal one

[zinc phoenix]

The devs rely on the top tier of skilled players to test things and assist in balancing

[full wing]

Thank you, its been a struggle, feels like there's new spawn points that isnt usually present in auric maels.. Or the spawns are really just that dense

[nocturne dust]

You're all going in the warpfire

[bitter escarp]

there's entirely too many caveats to agree with the overwhelmingly broad strokes you're painting

[thorn cedar]

understanding and executing are two separate ballparks is all

[nocturne dust]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1046914150363844779/1313803542196391936/elmopsyker.gif

[zinc phoenix]

Yes arguments like “gameslantern builds are trash because the public has unfettered access” or “Reddit is a cesspit because morons drown out the genuinely good comments” are truly broad and sweeping

[bitter escarp]

and shitting on redditors is popular here, why wouldn't I be incentivized socially to agree lmfao

[zinc phoenix]

Because you’re a contrarian with an ego? 🤷‍♀️ idk, I’m not your therapist

[thorn cedar]

Really you'll just never find any shortage of people who think their choice of social media engagement is actually useful and justifiable but others are not.

[nocturne dust]

Okay, but hold up, what makes your private communities any better?

[bitter escarp]

he said so

[nocturne dust]

There are just as assuredly dozens of bad private communities

[zinc phoenix]

The same reason askhistorians is better than Reddit at large: authoritarian moderators 😂

[thorn cedar]

and pirate communities! yarrrrr

[nocturne dust]

This is just gatekeeping gatekeeping

[zinc phoenix]

And clear rules about what excellence in a particular field looks like

[nocturne dust]

but clear rules can be wrong

[radiant frigate]

having a gate is pretty helpful

[zinc phoenix]

Yeah it keeps the dogs out

[nocturne dust]

and authoritarians wield lots of power that can be good or bad

[zinc phoenix]

Deer not so much, they jump

[bitter escarp]

authoritarian moderators are just one means of enforcing quality standards, and by no means a universally helpful one given how much skilled free labour it requires

[zinc phoenix]

Yes the power of the mods of askhistorians is the last step on the road to Hitler

[bitter escarp]

peer review is another, also built on the same premise

[nocturne dust]

Prisons have gates too.

You can keep out the bad, or keep it in.

[zinc phoenix]

Peer review is dogshit and everyone knows it including the people doing it

There wouldn’t be an absolutely comical scale replication crises and regular data frauds exposed after publication in major journals if peer review worked at all

But that is again a LONG way from the starting point of the argument

[upper sun]

i sent my lab report to my supervisor he added a paragraph to the conclusion it seemed a bit fishy so i checked it... it was written by AI

[nocturne dust]

No, but that's a red herring and my point is that they can use all that power to provide bad answers. You may not even know they're bad.

[radiant frigate]

and they are helpful indeed

[nocturne dust]

those AI checkers don't woooorrrrrkkkk

[zinc phoenix]

Wow a true Cartesian huh

Ok, enjoy your solipsism

There’s no engagement possible past that point

[upper sun]

bruh tell me this doesnt seem robotic as fuck "Future work could focus on optimizing the stabilization process and mitigating the risks of unfair resource allocation, particularly in symmetric conditions. Enhancements in model training and fine-tuning could also help achieve a better balance between responsiveness and stability."

beep boop

[bitter escarp]

we're currently in a point where AI is churning out enough content that it's a fucken ouroboros

[upper sun]

this is 100% ai and the checker also confirmed my suspensions

[bitter escarp]

sounds like average PI sentence to me 😂

[radiant frigate]

what.. what does that even mean

[bitter escarp]

PI vs AI needs to be a game

[upper sun]

scientific yapping for "we will make it better later on"

[nocturne dust]

It also reads like every academic paper ever

soooooooo

[bitter escarp]

you'd need quite a bit of background to tell if it's pseudo profound nonsense

[upper sun]

he did not even speak english well enough to write that

[radiant frigate]

unnecessarily complicated like the systems underneath a fatshark game

[upper sun]

but still it is extremely robotic

[nocturne dust]

which, btw, is what ML models are supposed to do

[upper sun]

yup

[bitter escarp]

the issue with stuff like that is that it's relatively easy to intimidate people by torturing a clause

[upper sun]

whatever you train them to do

[bitter escarp]

and hitting them with jargon

[upper sun]

this shit is supposed to optimize packet flow in a network

[bitter escarp]

and so they just go "fair enough" without ever considering and critiquing the ideas

[honest moon]

how fast can i get the brainblast

[nocturne dust]

yes, but the common models one might use are just statistical models based on such examples as academic papers

[upper sun]

i dont wanna post this because @zinc phoenix will blacklist me from every employer ever but the model fucking sucks

[nocturne dust]

Another strawman, but aight.

[upper sun]

outside of scientific meme speak "it fucking sucks" thats my conclusion

[timber cairn]

laspistol or recon?

[upper sun]

both work

[hollow current]

laspistol

[upper sun]

unlike my model

[timber cairn]

why

[bitter escarp]

it's why if a mf can't simplify stuff down to a level that's readily comprehensible by an educated lay person, the bullshit alarm should ping an amber alert

[zinc phoenix]

Just flatlines 😂

[sullen bobcat]

You made effectively a 2D shape with a 1D line
Congrats

[hollow current]

no suppression from shooters and with dum dum and raking fire it kill goodly

[upper sun]

the model has a random chance of giving a random host 4x the window size it needs

and randomly starving low demand hosts

[bitter escarp]

"mitigating the risks of unfair resource allocation"

I mean, teeechnically correct

but fuck

"yeah we totes gon do better next time folks"

[radiant frigate]

it will improve, trust

[bitter escarp]

that's what your supervisor's sentence boils down to

[radiant frigate]

trust the process!!

[upper sun]

trust the plan

[sullen bobcat]

Trust in the bénéficient Emperor

[zinc phoenix]

Yeah idk my experience of academia is I’d rather stick my dick in a wall socket than go back

[bitter escarp]

academia is best suited for poor kids with something to prove and well off kids with parental support

[upper sun]

same im mostly doing the masters for the greencards

[zinc phoenix]

A ton of people who don’t care at all about the outcome or being useful to society so long as they get their paper published with a small minority of truly brilliant people who deserve every penny and more

[upper sun]

they need to get rid of the publish or perish idea

[zinc phoenix]

And the method we have for telling the difference is so fundamentally broken it’s absurd

[bitter escarp]

much of research is just plodding though, little in the way of brilliance required

grants are cooked yes

[zinc phoenix]

“I see you got all your friends to cite your paper and have cited their papers in return even if they are completely irrelevant to the topic, the research and even human existence! However citation number big therefore you are hired”

[fathom adder]

Peer review is review by peers, for worse as well as for better

[zinc phoenix]

This is genuinely something I saw happen 😂