psyker-class

[zinc phoenix]

They’d have to drag my corpse thru, I’m too fuckin old for havoc 40

Even watching someone else do it makes my hand ache 😂

[haughty star]

for me anyway.. it's almost as good at horde clear and so much faster at slaughtering elites and carapace

[fathom adder]

I don't want to leech Havoc 40 but I'm probably going to do it once and never touch it again. Sounds unfun if it really does enforce a narrow meta and (for my money) unfun playstyle

[zinc phoenix]

Very playstyle dependent

[prime elk]

mk8 really isn't that much slower at killing elites

[haughty star]

it kinda is tho

[prime elk]

push attack poke comes out extremely quickly

[zinc phoenix]

It’s just different from AM and imo a lot more fun

[prime elk]

after which it loops into strikedown heavies

[patent mango]

@mossy oyster ❗

[zinc phoenix]

You don’t just walk forward like an inhuman super trooper shrugging off bullets, you feel more in tune with the vibe of the game where you’re stuck with shitty gear in impossible situations 😂

Also it’s genuinely funny that we could probably walk thru most of the game untouched if we got carapace 😂

[rigid sky]

Do you get 2-shot to death by poxbursters from full health?

That's the only reason why I take a health curio, and there might be other ways to get that burster resistance

[opal pebble]

No? I don’t think so

[rigid sky]

I initially went toughness/toughness/stamina with no corruption resistance and I found I was dying (not just being downed) from double poxburster memes

[zinc phoenix]

I’m so hype for my 3 weeks at Christmas, goal is gonna be to spend time with the baby and family and get to havoc 30 😤

[rigid sky]

as much as I prefer toughness over health on Psyker, I believe the double burster death threshold is a valuable one to get over, no matter how you do it

[radiant frigate]

havoc sounds a little silly

[hollow current]

👀

[radiant frigate]

"what if darktide but without toughness"

[zinc phoenix]

Try it it’s genuinely fun

[radiant frigate]

hard? Yes

fun? maybe

[zinc phoenix]

Also the teams you get are way better

[radiant frigate]

hell yeah

[zinc phoenix]

So you have a better experience overall

[summer prairie]

It kind of looks like that for health it adds up all the modifiers you have

[clear heath]

Hp is weird cause it's actually additive with curios. Agent has +67% total from curios + tree and -35% from havoc, making it +32%

so weird

[zinc phoenix]

It’s not your average mooks wandering in off standard damn, you can filter to people with similar clearance level and attributes to get a genuinely good team bc you know they’ve been thru some shit

[summer prairie]

because it uses the same max_health_modifier

as curios

[fathom adder]

Funny thing is Carapace Armor isn't even that rare

[zinc phoenix]

Yes but we’re all criminal conscripts so like why give it to us

[clear heath]

So hp curios are actually getting better value than usual because it's additive. There isn't multiplication screwing over your gains per curio perk or whatever

[wise mural]

the main reason to go health over toughness in Havoc

[zinc phoenix]

It’s 200 for double burster right?

[fathom adder]

Why give us force weapons? Rarity is no object in this game

[upper sun]

anyone doing havocs?

i need one more for event

[zinc phoenix]

The pug experience is genuinely pretty good on havoc

[summer prairie]

but toughness curios are toughness_bonus while havoc modifier is just flat toughness

[rigid sky]

Tbf I haven't had the chance to touch Havoc yet so idk how the meta is different there

[radiant frigate]

why trust us with power swords

[zinc phoenix]

They’re busted and shitty power swords

[wise mural]

why trust us with ANYTHING really? We are convicts

[zinc phoenix]

Which is why we’re constantly beating them and having them fail 😂

[zinc phoenix]

They don’t, when we start off it’s with shovels and rags 😂

[gloomy hornet]

eh, by the end of our trust we are proper warband soldiers

so why not give your soldiers weapons

[zinc phoenix]

But not inquisitorial storm troopers tho

[patent steeple]

@radiant ice I am currently in a game with a FGS/zap staff psyker that spams walls and has your discord username. This you?

[gloomy hornet]

besides according to what zola said these arent weapons that are being crafted, just looted off people in the frontlines

[upper sun]

ok lets give party finder a try

pray for me when i am gone

[marble crater]

[zinc phoenix]

Don’t add people you aren’t sure of, you can’t kick

[hollow current]

the final form

[upper sun]

too late

[fathom adder]

Besides, by Auric/Havoc level we're experienced and valuable Inquisition operatives. And we're on a Rogue Trader vessel, deployed to an industrial hive world. And our handlers apparently lax enough to look the other way when it comes to e.g. Loose Cannon vet (let alone Psykers loudly and outright denying the Emperor's divinity and the Imperium's righteousness). If anyone gets to use rare gear it's pretty much us.

[radiant frigate]

but 1% finesse..

[zinc phoenix]

And you don’t get hot join heroes

[clear heath]

79 finesse

[zinc phoenix]

So if someone leaves you are stuck with bot

[patent mango]

79 finesse... unusable....

[hollow current]

I get +5 warp res if I upgrade it again 😔

[radiant frigate]

imported xenos force swords when

[radiant frigate]

https://tenor.com/view/star-wars-more-gif-21856591

[gloomy hornet]

honestly insane that the loner psyker hasnt been crucified after audibly calling the emperor "corpse emperor"

[hollow current]

I might spend more dockets on trying to fish more super low warp res swords out.

[wise mural]

hearing the Psyker's occasional quips of actual madness and denying the Imperium and the God Emperor makes me so happy and giggle

[hollow current]

But i gotta go so I'll do that later

[fathom adder]

Like, Zealot just got Relic Blade, only the tippy-top of Space Marine heroes get to use those normally

[gloomy hornet]

psyker personalities are literally
Silly heretic
boyscout
heretic

[marble crater]

It's all a dream, what are they going to do to us in our dream?

[zinc phoenix]

Extremely severe manpower constraints mean they’re willing to tolerate a lot short of turning into a demon

[marble crater]

And the traitor that sells armor now, in the last cutscene

[zinc phoenix]

Same thing happened under Stalin during WW2, speech became extremely free and unpoliced at the front line

[gloomy hornet]

i guess some worthy hero got fucking killed in the atoman frontlines so now we get to use it

[mossy oyster]

Male Seer >>>>

im sure ive dreamt this all before

[fathom adder]

Carapace Armor on the other hand is churned out in quantities to outfit entire Guard units (not just Storm Troopers) or like a Hive World's equivalent of SWAT teams

[wise mural]

we literally have a cosmetic off those guards

[zinc phoenix]

I think genuinely the issue is if they gave us carapace they’d have to give the enemy lots of carapace armor pen to compensate 😂

But it could be fun as a modifier

“Carapace armor but reduced move speed and dodge”

[gloomy hornet]

carapace armor usually doesnt restrain movement from what ive heard

[wise mural]

A Knight Psyker

[zinc phoenix]

So you could shrug off a lot but disablers could trivially cuck you

[wise mural]

[gloomy hornet]

shit when i read about it carapace armor at best saves you from laspistol shots

[zinc phoenix]

🤷‍♀️ so what lol it’d be fun

[teal copper]

Is quietude really worth it?- it gives me an extra point to put into brain burst: kinetic resonance, which can help alot with armor busting and getting rid of bosses quickly

[zinc phoenix]

Yes

[wise mural]

100%

[gloomy hornet]

https://tenor.com/view/warhammer-warhammer-40000-warhammer-40k-space-marines-grey-knights-gif-7726753728119107602

[zinc phoenix]

If you are alone and trying to survive in a fight quietude is what keeps you alive

[wise mural]

Quietude and Puppet Master are on all my builds

[zinc phoenix]

Which one is puppet?

[wise mural]

Aura radius

[zinc phoenix]

I forget most of the names lol

Meh

Easy skip imo

[clear heath]

nah aura radius sucks

[gloomy hornet]

after 9 months of playing only vet and zealot my psyker is so washed

i gotta go on a whole training arc

[zinc phoenix]

“What do you mean I have to block this is bs!!!!” 😜

[teal copper]

I already leech like 13.5 toughness on average and i hardly ever quell because venting shriek cools down so fast because of warp charges

[marble crater]

Step 1: don't get hit

[gloomy hornet]

"what do you mean ill die if i run off by myself"

[teal copper]

Mind you its an inferno build

[zinc phoenix]

Any form of making peril go away counts for quietude

[clear heath]

Shriek counts as quell

[wise mural]

playing a heavy defence build psyker with bubble and smite(enchanced psionics) I like to give my teamates that support

[gloomy hornet]

smyker...

[zinc phoenix]

You would be actually liked in havoc for running that instead of actively mocked in AM 😂

[rigid sky]

Take both, drop something else

[ebon smelt]

psyker brethren, is there already a meta for the greatsword?

[clear heath]

even passive quell will count for quietude

[haughty star]

not really lol

[radiant frigate]

i do not think you need to get super lowa warp resist

[teal copper]

Being able to use souldrinker gives me constant toughness

[haughty star]

mk6 feels better to me, wrath is pretty bis for it

crit stuff is super good for it

[radiant frigate]

you do not use the special very often anyway

[rigid sky]

yes keep that too

[zinc phoenix]

Its well designed so there’s lots of valid builds

[rigid sky]

Psyker lives and dies by its toughness

more so than any other class

[radiant frigate]

and even with 60% warp res it still builds like 40% peril

[wise mural]

Its a normal build for me really, switch between voidblast staff or a lasgun.

use FGS

[radiant ice]

Yes

Which one were you?

[zinc phoenix]

Well switch over to the havoc side where bubble is god and smite is ok

In AM shooters are completely forgettable and bubble and smoke are a joke

[fluid aspen]

The modifier that removes the grace period after toughness break is the dumbest shit they've added to this game so far.
It's almost like oneshot-protection exists for a reason

[patent steeple]

HeadEmptyOnlyWarp, in case you were curious about whether or not i was in the same game.

[radiant ice]

XD

[haughty star]

i didn't even think of that lol

[wise mural]

smoke actuall viable in havoc?

[haughty star]

smoke could be op as fuck

yeah it's the shooters that get ya

[ebon smelt]

oh shit, thats cool to hear

[radiant ice]

I only want some plasteel to finish my Curio altering for Havoc

[zinc phoenix]

Genuinely meta on vet

People are running voc grenadier smoke and I am here for it because it saves ass

[rigid sky]

Huh. Wonder if exec stance is decent on havoc now lol

[zinc phoenix]

🤷‍♀️ if you can blend the gunners and shooters fast enough maybe

[rigid sky]

Since it works wonders with a vraks 5 and marksmans focus on trash shooters

[wise mural]

would a voidblast or recon work better in havoc with the bubble smite build?

[patent mango]

havoc was specifically designed to make smokes good

[gloomy hornet]

chat whats the way to play voidstrike
cuz ive seen vids of people just spamming the m1 shots and thats BORING

[zinc phoenix]

Can try both but ammo pickups are reduced as you get higher so be aware

[teal copper]

Do i sacrifice kinetic flayer, keep kinetic resonance and use that point for soul drinker?

[zinc phoenix]

It gets scarce at the high 20s and only worse from there

[wise mural]

Voidblast i heard pairs well with FGS because brittleness and can just cleave for days

[clear heath]

probably voidblast

[open iris]

Hi guys what're your thoughts on the greatsword?

[rigid sky]

Disrupt Destiny, Surge + Warp Nexus

idk if it's still good like that but one-shotting crushers with a crit headshot never gets old

[radiant ice]

Surge can be swapped for Flurry

But Nexus is essential, yeah

[rigid sky]

I heard of surge/flurry also being an option

[clear heath]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/922136978865156168/1314098608467083335/force_cleave_killfeed.mp4?ex=67528933&is=675137b3&hm=bca683162c5ec40f359f65f6f88bffac2c1a1fdfb69a01b6a3e76a2063d6f850&

[radiant ice]

That's weird

[rigid sky]

not sure if that one talent getting nerfed ruined it

the one that gives you crits after 5 weakspot hits

[wise mural]

Surge and warp Nexus is pretty crazy

on a voidstrike

[rigid sky]

I like to pair my voidstrike with assail too

so you can also fight spammy as well as surgically

[radiant ice]

Yeah that kinda killed it, cause you could guarantee infinite crits with Voidstrike that way

[rigid sky]

Plus assail synergises with DD

[radiant ice]

But running without Nexus now is wild

[zinc phoenix]

I run assail blast bubble dd with fgs

And I put soulfire + brittle on the blast stick

[rigid sky]

I like shriek for voidstrike personally, but it's probably a bit redundant

Maybe bubble makes it easier to counter-fire shooters

[teal copper]

E

[wise mural]

this for Havoc? I am thinking of running a VERY similar build

[zinc phoenix]

Yeah

[radiant ice]

Souldrinker is pretty bad, what's it for?

[ebon smelt]

holy shit! what perks and blessings are you running on that?

[rigid sky]

I missed this sorry - what weapon are you using?

[zinc phoenix]

It’s very different from AM, you’re begging for survival

[rigid sky]

Wait, souldrinker

I thought you meant soulstealer

[teal copper]

Inferno staff and FGS

[rigid sky]

Imo you really want kinetic flayer then

it's really fun with an inferno staff

[zinc phoenix]

When a homie runs the activated crit blessing

[teal copper]

Leeching toughness constantly from burning everything to death

[rigid sky]

Souldrinker is a 2 point dip

[radiant ice]

There are like 7 nodes that do that better

[rigid sky]

Quietitude is basically free, so is Soulstealer, or take both for one extra point

[zinc phoenix]

Idk I like it, it’s easy to get a lot of soulfire and more tough more good

[clear heath]

Riposte and Unstable power
Still trying out different perks. Had elites and maniac there. Might switch maniac to unyielding

[rigid sky]

All of my builds take both Quietitude and Soulstealer

[timber cairn]

eh? It's great

[rigid sky]

If souldrinker didn't have the extra point tax I'd take it

[radiant ice]

It can't retrigger, you have to wait for the 5 seconds to end before getting another

No refreshing

[rigid sky]

but my inferno build is warp siphon which is THIRSTY

[rigid sky]

also I didn't even know that but that pushes it down further

[radiant ice]

Souldrinker is absolutely awful

[timber cairn]

right but if you're doing it right you're getting 1% toughness every second which isn't bad

[wise mural]

mind sharing the tree?

[teal copper]

Thats what im sayin

[radiant ice]

It is awful compared to the 8 other toughness regen options inferno psyker can use

[timber cairn]

and you're getting the crit chance

[zinc phoenix]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9da61e5d-d8de-41c7-90fe-cf6545351908/fgs-assail-bubble-dd again its super weird

[radiant ice]

Which is awful compared to just the basic 5% crit chance node that's always on, Mettle and Perfect Timing

[zinc phoenix]

i am gonna end up stealing a better build from the high havoc level people at some point

[rigid sky]

If souldrinker was a 1 point talent I'd forgive it.

[zinc phoenix]

but all of them are building to a team comp so its not as generalizable as AM builds are

[rigid sky]

But it's 2 when inferno builds already want too many damn talents

[radiant ice]

Souldrinker would have to either be free, or not have the 5 second delay to be considered

[rigid sky]

unless you go EP

[radiant ice]

And be at the left side of the tree

[rigid sky]

Yeah, wtf is it doing on the right

Right side should be for martial psykers

left side for casters

[zinc phoenix]

its actually good on right isde

[timber cairn]

Disagree. You're spending 2 points to replicate it

[zinc phoenix]

you use trauma to get soulfire on everything and then you get perma +5 crit

very worth it

b/c you need every bit of crit you can for EE

[radiant ice]

It's so bad

[rigid sky]

Voidblast does rely on crit more than inferno, true

Inferno loves crit but voidblast loves it more

[zinc phoenix]

does anticipation work with EE?

ne1 know?

[patent mango]

no

[zinc phoenix]

reeee

[radiant ice]

This is a standard inferno setup, you have two points left to choose between Crit Chance + Kinetic Deflection or Mettle + Perfect Timing @teal copper

[north hatch]

Siblings! Should I be a sellout and get the new krieg psyker set or still be a sellout and wait and pray for the black one from the shitty FOMO shop

[teal copper]

What im focusing on is fire all the damn time and making sure i have the toughness to keep burning regardless of whats hitting me

[zinc phoenix]

imo if youre going bb anyway you should have kinetic flayer

worth way more than 6 warp charge

[radiant ice]

Oh crap yeah

Whoopsie

[zinc phoenix]

also i'd swap battle med for empathic evasion

[fluid aspen]

I would love to run Assail but Psykinetic + Seer's Presence + Shield dome

[zinc phoenix]

b/c empathic evasion on inferno makes you a god

[radiant ice]

Ammended Inferno build @teal copper

[north hatch]

Does kinetic flayer proccing on elites/specials make it that much better

[fluid aspen]

EE makes you a god on any crit build tbh

[zinc phoenix]

yeah

[radiant ice]

Again 2 points to either grab Mettle/Perfect Timing or Crit Chance/Kinetic Deflection

[zinc phoenix]

youll be flaming stuff and every 10s something just fuckin dies

and its usually something you really want dead

[north hatch]

What about for gunker

[zinc phoenix]

and that something also spams soulfire which kills everything else faster

[north hatch]

If I do BB scriers

Still worth?

[real abyss]

What builds do ppl run havoc with now?
Bubble, assail, recon?

[zinc phoenix]

idk i am not a gunker enjoyer

[radiant ice]

Same but they want a focus on Toughness Regen and this is more of a "Standard Starting Build" than a full one

[north hatch]

Ah that's fair

[north hatch]

Is scriers no good in havoc?

[jagged jay]

I popped on psyker and noticed my talents were reset, was there a recent update to the talent tree?

[north hatch]

Ig if yoiu get 1 shot

[zinc phoenix]

you fear shooters more than you want dps

[radiant ice]

About a month ago

[clear heath]

bubble is too insane on havoc

[north hatch]

Yeah that's fair

[zinc phoenix]

i would start havoc low btw

its worth taking the time to get the vibe

[north hatch]

Well I'm glad I have an assail DD bubble build

[fluid aspen]

Yeah Bubble is just too strong in Havoc if you have the gunner blessing

[zinc phoenix]

16 is fine, dont jump right into a 20s havoc if its your first time

[north hatch]

Like gunner resist?

[zinc phoenix]

gunner resist is poop

[steel flame]

Psyker got new talents during unlocked and loaded update so it reset tree. Only one not reset was zealot

[north hatch]

What's the gunner blessing

[radiant ice]

Join my Havoc 35, you'll be fine and even carry us!

[zinc phoenix]

gunner resist does nothing against shooters

[timber cairn]

Honestly I've been having a ton of fun with this weird inferno build too.

I still top all the damage charts, whilst still providing the best crowd control possible.

• Mobs = Inferno Staff + Vent + Inferno
• Mobs = Elites = Smite + Vent + Smite
• Bosses = Duelling sword (Deflector isn't necessary with blaze force if you have good positioning)

[zinc phoenix]

me committing sudoku as we speak 😂

[radiant ice]

EP Smite, opinion invalid

[zinc phoenix]

idk why you would want ER with burgatus

and no ee

what is this build

[radiant ice]

It's a Smite build

[zinc phoenix]

its nonsense

[radiant ice]

With the occasional flame burst it looks like

[teal copper]

My tree is more interesting to say the least

[fluid aspen]

This thing is the dumbest shit

[timber cairn]

It works on Havoc 29 so 😅

[zinc phoenix]

i love it, its single handedly making me enjoy the game

[north hatch]

So do havoc levels just stack more modifiers

[timber cairn]

doesn't really matter what build u use if you're good at the game

[north hatch]

Or do they also buff enemies

[clear heath]

buff enemies and nerfs you

[lone ravine]

Anyone got a build for electro staff?

[zinc phoenix]

if youre very good and have a good group that is coordinated i think you can get away with a ton yeah

[open iris]

the only issue I have with this alternate is that sometimes it takes a bit too long to build it up

[fluid aspen]

I wouldn't mind the first 2 parts but oneshot protection kinda exists for a reason. I'm not finding it fun being funneled into running 24/7 bubble or dying in a quarter of a second

[radiant ice]

I'd start with the more standard build, personally I think with Inferno using the last two points for Mettle/Perfect Timing is better. After some plays with it, tweak as needed to what you feel you're missing.

[open iris]

cause it's not a frontliner

[zinc phoenix]

idk, it feels more like squad/post scriptum for me so i love it

[timber cairn]

Not necessary if you still want to top damage charts. It's just a nice mix between dmg and cc

[zinc phoenix]

is someone else handling shooters for you?

if you have someone doing that then yeah you can ditch ee

[radiant ice]

Damage is useless, there was a whole big discussion and several videos on this topic

[muted grove]

any of you experienced ones know of a good build to try out once youre sick of assail? id go thhe palpatine route but it doesnt seem like it kills well it just CCs which sounds boring 😦

[north hatch]

Is it implemented well though? Cause deeprock introduced haz 5+ the tankier bugs and more vulnerable dwarves modifiers just entirely broke the games balancing and made the game worse

[timber cairn]

good spot. Yeah you need a good vet. I don't join without one. not with that build anyway

[radiant ice]

How Smykers always top damage but don't really help the team in any meaningful way

[teal copper]

I have over 76% less peril generation, which allows me to constantly put out flame, which usually stops everything from coming toward me, so regardless of the reduced toughness replenished, (from solidity,) i still have enough time to replenish all my toughness in just a few seconds from how much damage i do and how long i can spew flames for

[timber cairn]

cc?

[zinc phoenix]

yeah i handle the shooters for groups usually 😂 so i stack every form of "you will survive the shooters" thing i can get

[timber cairn]

smite is literally the best cc in the game lol

[muted grove]

murder is the best CC maybe?

[radiant ice]

Flame staff generates the least peril so benefits the least from the reduction

[timber cairn]

that's what the inferno is for

[north hatch]

Kissing is the best cc? :o

[zinc phoenix]

FBI open up, youre under arrest

[muted grove]

https://tenor.com/view/emoji-blush-gif-84039003094931229

[teal copper]

Less gen, more gooder

[north hatch]

YOULL NEVER CATCH ME ALIVE COPPER

[open iris]

Been using voidblast with the greatsword, good fun

[radiant ice]

Nah the toughness regen penalty is too savage to run ER

For an inferno build

[north hatch]

A single gun shot can be heard

[muted grove]

thank you! ill check that out

[zinc phoenix]

i ran with a shriek purgatus guy while i was running bubble assail and we did spectacular

very smooth runs

[clear heath]

imo there's some bullshit and i don't see myself running it as my main difficulty no matter how good i get. Punishes certain weapons a lot too but rewards support tools that used to get neglected.
It's fine as an insane thing to work towards once, which i guess is the point

[teal copper]

Idk man im able to run through aurics with zero issue, i hardly ever get any corruption even

[zinc phoenix]

imo its good to have that infinite cleave on the team makes life so much easier

[timber cairn]

not true

[clear heath]

it won't be your new auric damnation

[radiant ice]

True

[zinc phoenix]

havoc is what dom is talkin bout

[fluid aspen]

"Someone else was dealing with the hardest part of the new mode so my build was doing just fine"

[radiant ice]

Yeah I am talking about moving up to Auric Mael's and high Havoc

[zinc phoenix]

?

[north hatch]

I feel like the best endgame difficulty should try to have everything be viable

[muted grove]

omg drg talk in here feels like home

[north hatch]

But typically if that's the case than the game's probably too easy

[timber cairn]

abilite to repleish toughness doesn't matter if nothing comes near you

[zinc phoenix]

i was dealing with the shooters and melee and keepin him alive, he was able to yeet out mega domage as a result, teamwork makes the dreamwork

[north hatch]

Omg payday2's endgame meta was so fucking stupid and I kinda miss it

[radiant ice]

You're a Smite build, we're talking Inferno builds

Yes ER is great on a Smyker

[north hatch]

How was a crossbow the best weapon

[radiant ice]

Not on an Inferno build

[timber cairn]

I'm talking a smite/inferno build nothing comes near me

[leaden thunder]

what perks do we like on the voidblast

[zinc phoenix]

depeneds on the mode

[north hatch]

Rock and stone

Wait so do I still run 2 hp curios 1 stam curio

Or just go 3 hp curios

[radiant ice]

I don't get why you are stacking two seperate CC builds, it's like you patched your weakness with more weakness

But still, in that build ER is benefiting Smite yes, but harming Inferno

[clear heath]

yeah i get the sentiment but that's a tough ask. hard to balance extreme content

[teal copper]

Tbh i prefer the less peril generation regardless of how much it benefits it or not, for me its a visible difference in the amount generated

[north hatch]

Idk it's just like buffing every enemy to be a bullet sponge is such a cop out no?

[timber cairn]

It's a build that lacks range, but gives

• The best survivability
• The best damage
• The best CC

Can't fault it

[north hatch]

I'd probably play to unlock the armor set

And then quit

[mossy oyster]

https://tenor.com/view/anton-chigurh-no-country-for-old-men-you-dont-know-what-youre-talking-about-chigurh-what-are-you-talking-about-gif-22463397

[north hatch]

Maybe do it occasionally for challenges

[leaden thunder]

as a warframe player, having a solid end game and then a seperate giga endgame that everything isn't viable in is often what these type games end up with

[muted grove]

you had me at dmg, can you tell me more about this build

[clear heath]

Personally, i wanted a final test for my builds, but instead they cripple the builds.
I'd rather they just have made the enemies strong rather than fuck us over like this

[radiant ice]

The best survivability - no
The best damage - definitely nowhere near
The best CC - alright kinda, but you can make comparable with more mobility with an inferno left click build

[north hatch]

Ok but warframe's endgame is literally sitting in MOT for 2+ hours

Unless they changed it

Oh right steel path

[leaden thunder]

to get to level cap? way different now

[timber cairn]

Wrrong on all accounts. I literally do have the best damage and the best cc. In all games i play at havoc 25+. If you can't imagine it, sounds like skill issue.

[leaden thunder]

can be done way faster

[north hatch]

Steel path is so easy though man

[teal copper]

With all the peril generation thats reduced by all my talents, i can go from 5-7% for a normal m1 to 2%

[north hatch]

How

I am like

Uber retired

[teal copper]

Which go a hell of a long way

[leaden thunder]

void cascade I think

[maiden hornet]

So I’m not the only one that doesn’t like how Havoc’s balance is. Basically forcing everyone to use the same build

[summer prairie]

oh people are advertising high level havoc and then it turns out to be 16-20, very cool system

[north hatch]

Huh that's interesting

[leaden thunder]

starts off high and enemies scale faster I think

[dire orchid]

I wish the enemies would scream when you let them on fire

[leaden thunder]

personally not a level cap player generally, though I prolly could

[radiant ice]

Oh I totally get it, I would only drop ER. It's too much harm for Inferno and why you're losing Toughness so fast

[north hatch]

I used to do endgame with tank nekros

Old endgame

Tank nekros fucking sucks ass though

[leaden thunder]

and level cap is like "becuase I want to" endgame, more of a challenge then the actual end game'

[north hatch]

Wait so is void cascade what

Void steel path?

[leaden thunder]

steel path void cascade on the zariman

[timber cairn]

It's a weird build that is a bit busted, and not what Fatshark intended:

Melee- Duelling
Range - Inferno
Smite + EP

Mobs = Inferno Staff + Vent + Inferno
Mobs + Elites = Smite + Vent + Smite

You're getting amazing damage numbers with an option to control the bulwark/crusher rushes, and decent boss damage with the duelling

Tried, tested and easy to survive havoc 25s with

[leaden thunder]

prolly an area added after you left

[north hatch]

Is that how you get

Incarnons

Or whatever

[leaden thunder]

same area yeah

[north hatch]

What do incarnons even do

They're just turbo stat b oosted weapons right?

[maiden hornet]

Anyone got a build recommend for psyker that wants to do high level Havoc? I’m thinking purgatus staff and bubble shield.

[leaden thunder]

yes and then it adds an alt fire that generally functions differently

[north hatch]

That's pretty neast

[teal copper]

Its just different for me i guess, im not losing it fast, i just like to be as safe as possible whether im losing toughness or not. If i can disable everything long enough for them to die then i dont feel like i need to prioritize toughness regen when i can lock everything but crushers & bulwarks (only sometimes for bulwarks) in place

[north hatch]

Bro sometimes I look at the warframe subreddit for nostalgia I see people talking about how Loki's fucking ass

I said this shit since 2016

And no one listened to me

It feels good to be vindicated

[leaden thunder]

you'd get fucken gooned by they "loki masterrace" back then

[dire orchid]

With generate toughness on crit and souls drinker you should be zooming up your toughness.

[north hatch]

Literally people would go "Oh he's S tier"

No one would ever play him ever

[radiant ice]

ER works by... lets take Soulstealer:

"Replenish 7.5% Toughness on Warp Attack Kill"

Amazing for Inferno builds of course as they don't need to die by your flames, simply be on fire and die from anything/anyone. ER multiplies it by 0.7, so it becomes:

"Replenish 5.25% Toughness on Warp Attack Kill"

Now apply this to everything you use, Essence Harvest becomes 20% instead of 30%, Quietude becomes 3.5%, two essential Inferno perks

[north hatch]

Every other invis frame does what he does

And more

I don't understand how people put Ash as the worst invis frame

Ash is OP

[analog agate]

Are you guys talking about using ER in auric or havoc. It is completely viable, if not meta, in auric. It has been fine for me up to 24 so far on havoc

[dire orchid]

Oh yeah that reduced peril gen for less toughness gen is junk especially with inferno staff

[radiant ice]

It's awful with an Inferno Staff build

amazing in others

[steel flame]

Ash?

[north hatch]

Warframe talk

Very unrelated to Darktide

[analog agate]

I use it on my inferno staff build 🤷‍♂️

[leaden thunder]

he has a couple of tricks now, but they are all kinda janky, (he has an augment that makes him invuln for a time after swaping or something, so he can "tank" now)

[teal copper]

Not from what ive seen, it does wonders for me

[radiant ice]

Trust me you'd do even better without it

[steel flame]

I use it specifically on my scriers inferno build and it's integral to it working but it hurts most other builds

[radiant ice]

I don't doubt you do good with it, you could just do so much more without, if you removed your handicap

[dire orchid]

If you're having any issues with peril, all you really need is the one that has a 10% chance of quelling on kill, inferno staff has such a efficient warp production

[radiant ice]

That's different, cause ER and SG is a beast of a combo

[north hatch]

Does he have anything other than CC

[leaden thunder]

not baseline no lol

[teal copper]

I had the meta inferno build and it didnt really do too well for me because i was forced to quell every 5 seconds

[north hatch]

Kek man needs a rework

[teal copper]

Now i can just spew flames for like 30 seconds

[north hatch]

I can';t believe they gave ember a third rework I loved the old rework

[radiant ice]

ER and SG do a great job of patching each others weakspots, while making each other stronger. Other surrounding nodes depending

[stone totem]

For some reason EP is only holding up to one stack at a time

[north hatch]

It was really finnicky with how you wanted to build it but like you could get 90% DR and also ult spam and it was fine

[radiant ice]

Got this?

[timber cairn]

If you're bad and you can't survive without the extra toughness regen, it's a bad perk.
If you're good and you want more damage, and you have some survival skills, it's an incredible perk

[stone totem]

Nope, I figure two is good enough for the build I'm running

[radiant ice]

It's 1 or 3

[stone totem]

I swore it said 2 without

Lame

[dire orchid]

I just don't think the reduced payroll generations worth it on inferno staff. You're designed to clear out hordes and the 10% is more than enough and it scales really well with difficulty because you'll have bigger masses

[radiant ice]

It's not really, the Peril Resist even at 60% on an Inferno Staff is way more than you'll ever need

[dire orchid]

And the increased crit at high higher apparel makes your flames apply double as fast as well as the increased damage

[summer prairie]

with purg it makes you do less damage, not more

[north hatch]

For force sword is it worth it to go under 60% warp resist if you have 80 on everything else

[dire orchid]

Peril

[fast frost]

What’re people taking for 25-35 havoc? I can’t tell if bubble is going to fall off hard or become essential with how fast firing ranged is becoming

[radiant ice]

Especially as you'll passively pick up 10% peril resist on your left hand tree near the fire nodes

[north hatch]

Fgs

Whoever said they hated the acronym for it

Was pretty right

[steel flame]

For a normal inferno build, yeah, weird builds require radical solutions

[north hatch]

Lol

[radiant ice]

I found bubble dropped off in favour of the wall to block mutant/crusher/bulwark rushes

[clear heath]

what's wrong with fgs?

[north hatch]

It's just similar to a slur

[clear heath]

OH

[dire orchid]

For god sakes

[north hatch]

Yeeeee

[radiant ice]

Was me and that's why I hate it XD

[teal copper]

Im usually the last to go down in the harder missions available, excluding havoc

[north hatch]

Dude every time I read it in my head

I read the word

And I get confused

[radiant ice]

Yup same

[acoustic isle]

I must be too innocent to get it lol

[fast frost]

We’ve been playing and I’ll be honest I’m not sure what I think of havoc. I’m not a fan of the difficulty kind of just being them slowly stripping away more and more health and toughness rather than changing enemy density?

[radiant ice]

"How much DPS does fgs get?"
"Eh about the same as the straighties, why would it be different?"

[maiden hornet]

Oh you sweet summer child

[steel flame]

I process context properly so nothing else comes to mind

[north hatch]

I prefer 2hfs

Tbh

[timber cairn]

excluding havoc 💀

[north hatch]

Must be nice

[dire orchid]

With a greatsword and a assail. Running around throwing those out and slashing people up in my skinny jeans. I feel just like an anime character

[steel flame]

It really is

[maiden hornet]

It’s also about making enemies bullet sponges with that glowing skin thing

[north hatch]

I got that neurodivergent ADHD ass brain

[clear heath]

yeah i imagined big waves of strong enemies but instead i got to feel crippled

[steel flame]

So do I xP

[north hatch]

WHAT

give me your neurodivergency

[teal copper]

Maybe register the possibility that i havent played havoc yet? Because if i remember correct i havent touched it

[dire orchid]

Are psykers pants so tight to help control the warp

[leaden thunder]

it's like highlander

[north hatch]

I will consume your brain

[acoustic isle]

And then the Goop! The foul corrupting goop!

[haughty star]

for the first time ever i am going to top a million ordos

[maiden hornet]

Makes me feel so bad just hitting them over and over again with my voidstrike staff’s right click and see them barely do anything

[north hatch]

And then I'll have the power to not see fgs and think of the wrong thing

[radiant ice]

They aren't that tight

[north hatch]

Take them off

[radiant ice]

What like, completely?

I don't think FS allows that

[north hatch]

Keep the boots

[gloomy hornet]

they cant expose their naked body to the warp like that

[leaden thunder]

I mean we had the bug where we coulkd be shirtless

[radiant ice]

Too late, removed whole leg

[haughty star]

SERVER ERRORS FUCKING AGGHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

[gloomy hornet]

oh yeah i was gonna ask

[north hatch]

Clearly a skill issue

[gloomy hornet]

has dt been a lagging mess

for yall

recently

[teal copper]

When you can solo a havoc mission you can passive agressively insult me on something that isn't even the case

[haughty star]

I getting a 1005 error code after getting booted

[gilded viper]

Anyone got a profile for Mk6 Sprint Heavy and Heavy 4? Since games doesnt show it

[radiant ice]

I can't decide which set I like more

[gilded viper]

B looks better with the sword

[north hatch]

What's the left shirt from

[wise mural]

Honestly same

[haughty star]

the store

[maiden hornet]

I like the second one better.

[radiant ice]

That's my feel, blue for my sword builds and leather for my caster ones

[radiant ice]

Shop rotate

[north hatch]

Oh idk why I thought it was out of rotation

It's literally

[steel flame]

I like the one that comes with new pants......oh wait

[north hatch]

The next one

[timber cairn]

i mean, i can on zealot 🫡
And i wasn't passively aggressively insulting you lol. I was agreeing with you on the perk being good - you misread.

[teal copper]

Yeah, zealot, not psyker

[north hatch]

Man I really don't know how I feel about the krieg set

[radiant ice]

There is also this variant

[teal copper]

Zealot is built to push through alot

[steel flame]

So tired of fatshark shoveling out slop recolor, kitbash, ugly cosmetics.

[north hatch]

They could've just re released the black one

[teal copper]

Psyker is almost like a support in most cases

[radiant ice]

I love Vraks and the WW1 french inspo of it

The 143rd wear blue

[fathom adder]

They could do a lot of things with the cash shop, but they won't

[steel flame]

Yeah but why do that when they can get you to pay for it twice

Next year we will get red krieg

[north hatch]

Very true

[radiant ice]

These pants make it look way better though

[steel flame]

And then green kreig

And then barf krieg

[maiden hornet]

Or you know, left the set in without having a rotating shop. That would be nice

[radiant ice]

Cause for some fucking reason these don't match at all

[fathom adder]

Accounting ran the numbers and this way makes them more money (the suit in charge of it once half-listened to a podcast about marketing psychology on the way to work)

[steel flame]

Maybe some neon krieg

[north hatch]

Ok c'mon it's fat shark here let's not get too greedy

LOL

[teal copper]

Honestly im thinking of crystalline will just because of how cruel havoc is, but at the same time id rather go with psykinetic aura

[maiden hornet]

They did that with vermintide 2 like come on

[radiant ice]

Psykinetic Aura is an S+++ tier perk, probably Psykers best. Crystalline Will is meme tier and only really used in joke suicide bomb builds

[fathom adder]

Of all the things that could kill you, blowing yourself up from Peril is the one that is literally always preventable

[radiant ice]

That is a very, very easy decision

[clear heath]

With how deadly havoc is, blowing up should be least likely thing to kill you

[steel flame]

Oh hey look I found next year's krieg recolor

[teal copper]

I think of it as a pillow if shit gets really bad tbh

[radiant ice]

Honestly that slaps

I want the coat at least

[maiden hornet]

I know Psyker is suppose to be a glass cannon, but why do I always feel the glass part but not the cannon part.

[radiant ice]

Some black pants, with the black half mask and that'd look awesome

[leaden thunder]

an issue of krill

[teal copper]

Psyker isnt always a glass cannon

[steel flame]

Because psyker is hard

[maiden hornet]

Maybe im just bad siblings >.>

[acoustic isle]

Psyker can bring a lot of things including utility

And i love leaning into the utility

[steel flame]

Lots of resource management and multitasking

[tulip kettle]

anyone know of a fix for this new force gsword visual/audio bug when charged?

[prime elk]

Psyker is insane right now lol

Prob the strongest class

[teal copper]

Theres a fine line between learning to properly balance melee, blitz, and staves

[north hatch]

Aside from a few minor tweaks this is basically the assail shield build no?

[gilded viper]

I'd say zealot is the strongest but psyker is in a good spot

[steel flame]

#alwayshasbeen

[radiant ice]

Give or take, I'd get the weakspots guarantee crits at the bottom there instead of the reload

[fluid aspen]

What do you guys dumpstat on Voidstrike?

[north hatch]

I wanted to use revolver and surety giving a free 75% peril is pretty nice for damage no?

[teal copper]

Be fr its not the class its the player

[radiant ice]

And Warp Splitting is insanely strong, at 10% peril it outperforms Etheral Shard modifier

[radiant ice]

Oh right, yeah with revolver fair

[steep estuary]

I dump blast radius

[maiden hornet]

Not sure if this is right, but I rarely use my smite when I’m running my bubble voidstrike build

[north hatch]

Yeah I kinda need warp splitter for shards

[maiden hornet]

Most of the time I can just bowl my way out of most situation rather than holding smite

[radiant ice]

Drop Etheral, it's just weaker Warp Splitter

[north hatch]

Actually?

That makes sense though

[steep estuary]

It pens like 1 more person

[leaden thunder]

warp res, since you are prolly using the quell on weakspot blessing

[steep estuary]

Maybe 2?

[north hatch]

Makes sense

[radiant ice]

Etheral is +1 pen, Warp Splitter is +1 per 10% peril (On shards)

[north hatch]

I also wanted to fit in quietude but idk what I'd dump

Maybe crack of bone

One with the warp also maybe for havoc but I feel like in auric it's good

[radiant ice]

All personal taste from there on out

[north hatch]

Then again quietude also useless in havoc

[radiant ice]

I just def would swap Etheral for WS

[teal copper]

Smite is best used when theres a crowd of beefier elites like crushers, bulwarks, ragers, and shotgunners being hidden in a horde, otherwise you shouldn't try to smite a trash horde when one swing from the FGS can instantly kill like 5 of them

[north hatch]

Bruh now I have to spend 5k out of my 4 mil to change wrath

This'll set me back so much

[radiant ice]

No

Wrath + Warp Splitter is awesome

[north hatch]

Isn't there like no point

In having both

[radiant ice]

I mean it's pretty damn good

Your sword basically never bounces

[maiden hornet]

I always see Smite as a slow down tool, really using it when things are getting out of hand. When the team needs a breather. I’ll keep your suggest in mind

[north hatch]

Yeah but like would riposte

Just be straight up better

In like every way

[radiant ice]

Taking both with Warp Splitter is the recommended for the sword

If you have to swap one of the perks, Riposte is the better one to swap. The sword really wants Wrath to shine

[north hatch]

Huh ok

Can cleave even go 100%

Over

100%

[leaden thunder]

yuh

[radiant ice]

It's an increase of 100%

[mossy oyster]

Ah yes wait 20 seconds to crit with a special, instead of just using unstable power for more dmg/cleave/impact and using a max special (which you can both max in less than 20 seconds)

[teal copper]

Its usually a matter of the team learning to kill the trash, quickly and target the more dangerous ones first, if they knew what they were doing they shouldn't need a break

[radiant ice]

So if you cleave 4 you now cleave 8

[north hatch]

Damn ok cause people here were saying take off wrath of you use warp splitter and take another blessing

[hushed heart]

Hey is the Force Greatsword's Moonlight Attack counted as Warp

[radiant ice]

Yes

[north hatch]

I guess if you want more single targe

[radiant ice]

In my own testing, having both is great cause they also fill each others gaps

Sudden two maulers with no wrath built? WS covers you

Low peril? Wrath covers you

[north hatch]

That makes sense

[radiant ice]

They synergise really well to keep that cleave up

Which you really want on the big slow weapons

[north hatch]

I'll take your word for it

[wise mural]

I really like using warp splitter and instead using Blazing and Shred on the FGS

[maiden hornet]

Yeah, I feel like the way I play psyker is definitely more of a supportive one. It’s not until recently that I switched out warp siphon for disrupt destiny. That’s such a huge improvement with my damage for my voidstrike.

[radiant ice]

I would recommend do your own testing with creature spawner in the Psykanium, or just standing at the right angle

Your opinion may differ

[north hatch]

I'm just gonna play a few auric missions with it

[radiant ice]

But imo the synergy of Wrath and WS means I'm never worried about not getting the entire arc infront of me

[north hatch]

Psykanium's only really ever good for number crunching imo

[teal copper]

In all honesty i still like the extra 36% less peril gen of inner tranquility rather than essence harvest

[north hatch]

Practical testing takes longer but it's overall more worthwhile

[radiant ice]

Riposte is great, but realistically not enough people dodge enough with the greatsword to take full advantage

[north hatch]

Rn I have wrath deflector

[teal copper]

Having to quell all the time is leaving me vulnerable

[radiant ice]

Oh yeah I used a pure Force Greatsword melee build until Havoc 24, I had both Wrath and WS. It made a difference

[radiant ice]

I used that for a while in Havoc too! It's amazing

[wise mural]

That is what I am mustering aswell, I'd rather take the more enemies hit and more crit chance then dodging, I am using a big sword I wanna swing it through HOARDS

[radiant ice]

More so on no-bubble

[north hatch]

Makes sense

[radiant ice]

As my melee build had SG

[fluid aspen]

Deflector is just amazing if you are running KD

[north hatch]

Uhhhh

Assuming you don't use one with the warp in havoc

What would you put that spare point in

[radiant ice]

I do on my current 30s Havoc build

But that's as I had the spare point

My current one is a lightning staff support/shielder

[north hatch]

Really? I read someone here saying that psyker just gets 1 shot no matter what so though ness DR is useless

Toughness

[radiant ice]

They do by specials and elites, yes

[teal copper]

Ok yeah im satisfied with my current build, the shriek spam is sorta busted ngl

[north hatch]

So still worth it against fodder?

[radiant ice]

But One With the Warp does give you a better buffer against the hordes of gunners that never miss

It's not amazing for sure, but for a spare point you had left over, it pulls it's weight

[north hatch]

Ah that's fair

[teal copper]

Psyker is the living def of squishy

[radiant ice]

If you think about it,since I playing a high peril build and Resistances are multiplied

It does the exact same as running 2 gunner resists on curios, but to everything

(To Toughness at least)

[hearty dagger]

So funny thing i noticed about the FGS

[teal copper]

Me running 60% gunner resistance because fuck gunners:

[radiant ice]

Since gunner resists don't affect standard gunners, only Reapers/Dreg Gunners and the like, it actually invalidates the perk altogether imo

[hearty dagger]

When you swap to it, for the duration of the draw animation any attack you do has the sprint attack profile

[patent mango]

those r wield attacks

its cool

[north hatch]

Wait also is 27 warp resist and 80 on anything fine or should I level warp resist up to 60

[main wagon]

Any tips for a new psyker? I use psysword and elctrostaff but thr staff feels like it doesnt enough dmg with the heavy for the amount of warp buildup. I rather blow myselfup then killing specialists with it.

Should i switch to a firearm before i have more levels? Im at lvl 13 now

[radiant ice]

Which staff sorry?

[north hatch]

Force sword lol

[radiant ice]

Oh

Yeah getting to 60 is nice for sure

But not a big deal

[teal copper]

Electrokinetic

[spice veldt]

which force sword is this? the beeg 2 handers?

[teal copper]

Funny lightning staff

[radiant ice]

That's my staff

[north hatch]

I run 27 on my illsi cause having a ton of peril gen is nice

[radiant ice]

Hold on, I use that combo

[north hatch]

But idk if the same logic applie

To 2hfs

[spice veldt]

if it's the 2 handers, i'd keep that 27 warp res one and build another 60 warp res, since it's pretty hard to get a low warp res force sword

yeah, i'd use the same logic since the 2handers don't really spam the specials, though you can subscribe to that playstyle if you want

[north hatch]

Mk mk

[rich spindle]

the warp staves are very bad when you are low level and the stats are <50%

[north hatch]

I need diamantine so bad

Why does havoc only give me 3

[radiant ice]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9da7040c-cc93-464d-ab80-71eb198a4acf/wall-lighting-havoc?utm_medium=website&utm_source=gameslantern&utm_campaign=share_button

This is my Electrostaff/Greatsword build for Havoc, I'd change the curios to your standard Psyker ones for non-Havoc

[north hatch]

I don't understand

[radiant ice]

Havoc has reduced rates

Highest rate is non-auric damnation

[gloomy hornet]

chat hit me with the psyker propaganda
i wanna know the actual reasons for people to believe psyker is stronger than zealot / the strongest class in the game
cuz from my own experience im way less free to kick shit around like i can with any other class

[radiant ice]

After playing Havoc it's super easy too

[north hatch]

Wait playing the regular damnation gives more loot

Than the auric

[radiant ice]

Psyker higher skill ceiling. More damage at top levels of play, drops off quicker than Zealot with lower skill

[main wagon]

Thanks will have a look at it. Are staffs even worth it with such a low level? The dmg vs warp buildup feels really bad atm

[radiant ice]

The same, but you don't usually get as much time to run around looting

Most people play non-auric damnation solely to resource farm, so you'll have others running looking for them too

[rich spindle]

psyker doesnt have to interact with most enemies. you just spam magic from range. all you have to do is know how to kite and maintain range

[north hatch]

Ah makes sense

[mental rock]

He might be looking at the maelstrom, in which case the rewards differ depending on the modifiers I think

[teal copper]

Do i take defence over warp resistance on the FGS? i dont really use the special all that often unless im being forced to

[radiant ice]

Make sure to quickplay damnation for the 10% boost too

[fluid aspen]

Infinite ammo bowling ball that also does a ton of damage and goes through most enemies

[radiant ice]

The warp buildup can be a little rough on lower levels, especially with the electrostaff as it's basically a grenade on a stick. I would recommend the Inferno Staff at lower levels, as it barely builds peril

(It's also amazing at high levels too, but doesn't drop as hard as others at low level rolls)

[fiery wigeon]

staff gud

[teal copper]

Learn proper movement and stop letting everything smack you, believe me you'll notice a difference

[radiant ice]

Defence affects your sprinting duration and dodge count, definitely take defence

[main wagon]

Dont have inferno yet. I guess i play firearm until i get some more levels

[fiery wigeon]

DD is the bestest keystone ever

[fluid aspen]

I find managing peril so much more interesting than a pool of ammo. So much stuff interacts with it as well, so it's not just a countdown to getting your head blown up

[thorn cedar]

i find im using the warpshock more and more

[radiant ice]

Warp Resist is useless on the greatsword, as the difference from 60% to 80% is something stupid like 0.1

[thorn cedar]

its like 15% perils but still

[fiery wigeon]

warp resist on the melees is bad yeah

[radiant ice]

Oh well excuse me, 0.15

[fiery wigeon]

it goes from 14% peril to 15% peril lol

[wise mural]

2 Flaming balls knock down Crusher

[radiant ice]

Basically, defence is essentially cause it's your sprint cost and your dodge count

[fluid aspen]

So what about Warp Slice? It makes 1 pip slashes a lot more viable, but it doesn't really do anything else for your normal attacks

[radiant ice]

Warp Resist kinda does nothing unless it's below 50% or something

[restive cave]

and explodes most stuff around it too

[thorn cedar]

if you dont mean the greatswords then sure, but the greatswords do have a large range

[wet cloak]

Has anyone created an awesome build with greatsword and gun yet that enables you to be a sort of skirmisher?

[fluid aspen]

Voidstrike is just so incredibly strong, I don't see why people are running anything else

[radiant ice]

Yes

[lean mural]

flavor

[radiant ice]

Me

[fiery wigeon]

i would rather use riposte or shred

[restive cave]

SG DD with FGS and gun of choice

[fiery wigeon]

ive just been using riposte and shred lol

[gloomy hornet]

dealing with melees usually aint a problem for me
i just get absolutely defiled by any bullet that can fire cuz idk the proper way for a psyker to maintain his toughness up

[fiery wigeon]

all of the staffs are quite strong

[fluid aspen]

What about Unstable Power? I'm not really generating warp with the sword and I'm not running Scrier but the 20% strength seems really nice

[fiery wigeon]

voidstrike is pretty peak

[wet cloak]

@restive cave Right now I use heavy laspistol so I can steal all the ammo from the vets and that's what I'm currently using, still feel kind of squishy though

[north hatch]

I'm sorry to whoever I skill diffed for having server issues

NVM I take back the sorry

[restive cave]

you're a psyker, you're squishy

[radiant ice]

The funny thing with this build is you outrun Knife Zealots after landing a crit with Sciers Gaze up

[teal copper]

In all honesty im not sure what perks i should take on it, i know flak and maniac are a given, plus i already have BB for the heavier bois, but yknow BB doesnt exactly work too well when im getting cucked into a corner by like 10 crushers

[radiant ice]

While holding the greatsword

[lean mural]

don't

as you say, you're not getting enough peril up to make use of unstable

[restive cave]

@teal copper I'd throw in carapace instead of flak

[fiery wigeon]

only run unstable with scriers tbh

[restive cave]

most things in flak are dying pretty quick

[radiant ice]

This is meta greatsword

[fiery wigeon]

the special does not generate that much peril

[fluid aspen]

I do fairly often swap to melee after hitting max peril on the staff though

[restive cave]

that extra 25% on a poke into a crusher's head is a lot

[radiant ice]

Well, meta is the other Mark

[wet cloak]

@radiant ice What's the purpose of assail? Peril generation or a panic mode?

[radiant ice]

After SG you get 10 secs of no explosions

So you SG, go insane for the duration as a blender, when it ends quickly throw all 10 shards

Then due to the CDR, by the time you throw the 10, SG is back

[teal copper]

I run shred instead, along with blazing spirit for yummy soulblaze, but i suppose riposte works too

[fluid aspen]

Please for the love of god use the Warp Unbound Timer mod though

[fiery wigeon]

what cdr you took assail

[tulip kettle]

blazing spirit is dumb on greatsword

[wet cloak]

I run deflector, because I just like it too much

[lean mural]

i have had it pointed out quite correctly that blazing spirit is bad on fgs because things that it kills (everything) don't burn

[wet cloak]

I know it's not meta, but I don't care

[teal copper]

Not when youre an inferno psyker

[radiant ice]

It's an infinite Scriers Gaze build with +40% movespeed basically

[radiant ice]

Curio

[tulip kettle]

yes when inferno psyker

[mellow gorge]

It's as good as you make it tbh

[tulip kettle]

it can only set stuff that doesnt die on fire

[fluid aspen]

Does Shred keep the 5 stacks when charging and slashing with the fgs?

[tulip kettle]

with carapace and unyielding you 1 shot everything

[teal copper]

Bigger enemies equals need more damage

[radiant ice]

No

[wet cloak]

@radiant ice What kind of curios do you run and which ranged weapon if you don't mind me asking?

[radiant ice]

It drops the second you stop left click spam or miss an enemy

[lone ravine]

Shred also loses all stacks when missing

[fluid aspen]

Not for me then

[radiant ice]

1 of these

[lean mural]

holy throne. this is the build you posted just now?

[radiant ice]

2 of these

[fluid aspen]

I guess I'll grab Riposte instead, I'm dodging quite a lot

[tulip kettle]

i think wrath and unstable power with + carapace and +unyielding on the mk8 is the best way to play greatsword, but thats just like, my opinion man

[radiant ice]

And this is just my favourite gun but any works, use whatever you like that does reasonable monstrosity damage

[summer prairie]

havoc 35 with party finder

[fluid aspen]

Why unyielding? Isn't that monstrosities? I don't want to go in stabbing monstrosities

[radiant ice]

Anyway I have a work call, gotta go

[tulip kettle]

its also reapers

[radiant ice]

Monst and bulwarks

[wet cloak]

@radiant ice Thanks for the assistance

[fluid aspen]

My point still stands

[tulip kettle]

and bulwarks on the head

[gloomy hornet]

bulwark racism

[tulip kettle]

well, with that combo

you literally one shot every non monstrosity enemyu

[acoustic isle]

It's kinda the point to get the extra damage on the bigger boys

[teal copper]

What exactly do i need crits for if i dont run blazing spirit? Especially on an inferno psyker, i dont necessarily need crits for anything beside extra damage

[gloomy hornet]

besides the funny stab on the FGS does heinous damage to just about anything

[tulip kettle]

cleave hordes with light attack spam, chain heavy 3 into itself for any non horde enemies

[lean mural]

is the third gunner resist perk really worth it

don't they give aggressively diminishing returns

[radiant ice]

Damage

[gloomy hornet]

you can very much face on a monstrosity melee

[radiant ice]

No, that was me crying in Havoc and not used the curios since XD

[fluid aspen]

Crit also works quite well with most of the right side of the talent tree

[wet cloak]

Isn't it better to have a fast firing weapon if you use true aim?

[tulip kettle]

not really

[fiery wigeon]

yes

use vraks ia

[tulip kettle]

its all about use case

i like true aim with an assail/pistol build

[fiery wigeon]

vraks ia: every use case possible instantly covered

[steep estuary]

Alright, I've peaked. No auric maelstroms.

[tulip kettle]

because you spam assails to guarantee crits on your hotswapped pistol

[fiery wigeon]

big fucker? gone. horde? gone

[mossy oyster]

i like flak/cara on FGS mk8

cara unyld sounds pretty good too though

cant really go wrong with either

[radiant ice]

Crucian Roulette plus the guaranteed crit

[tulip kettle]

yup i think +flak and + cara is the other choice

[radiant ice]

Hip revolver is a quick fire gun

[mossy oyster]

yea after checking its modifiers flak/cara or flak/unyld seem like the obv options

[radiant ice]

Means the 5 bullets go 100% for the first and +6% each other round stacking

[tulip kettle]

but i prefer unyielding because with my tree and high peril i one shot everything else anyway

[fluid aspen]

I'm not fighting ogryns or monstrosities in melee anyway, so I'll stick to cara+flak. But I might swap flak on my Voidstrike to Unyielding after that talk

[tulip kettle]

so +flak does nothing but + reaper lets me stab reapers or H3 them twice

sorry + unyielding

[fiery wigeon]

voidstrike has very little issues with flak

[tulip kettle]

i also think Mk6 is cool looking but it does nothing except make your overhead accessible one move earlier into the chain at the loss of the horizontal attacks

[fluid aspen]

Is Mauler head flak or cara?

[tulip kettle]

head cara body flak

[fluid aspen]

Yeah that's fine then

[mossy oyster]

i might try cara/unyld then

just big boy maxx

flak cara already shits on everything anyway

[tulip kettle]

with Mk8 +cara and high peril with warp rider and some DD stacks i am one shotting maulers on H3

[mossy oyster]

it is nice to turn moebian 21st into mince meat tho

(iirc they are flak)

[tulip kettle]

they already die without flak

[fiery wigeon]

^

[fluid aspen]

Yeah not really having trouble with 21st

[tulip kettle]

the only thing that doesnt die eaily without flak is gunners to light attack

but, you know, heavy attack em.

[mossy oyster]

you can just 1 shot maulers already with thrust poke

[tulip kettle]

or even better, shoot them

[mossy oyster]

and barely any buffs

mk8 is pretty good

[tulip kettle]

yes but thrust poke isnt chainable

and MK 6 loses the horde clear

[fluid aspen]

I stick to staff for maulers and ogryns because of the CC

[mossy oyster]

I dont think mk8 poke needs to be chainable considering the 2 strikedown heavy loops after a poke

[tulip kettle]

wheras MK8 has the horde clear on lights and H3 overhead chains into itself

[mossy oyster]

good enough ST

[radiant ice]

Both Greatswords are amazing, but I prefer the 8

[prime elk]

Are we back to debating which Mark is better lol

[patent mango]

fatshark could easily fix this argument by letting us equip force greatsword in ranged slot too

[tulip kettle]

is it a debate?

[molten prawn]

The strike downs on mk8 feel great in actual play

[fiery wigeon]

mk6 my beloved

[mossy oyster]

I dont think so

i always say mk8 superiority

[fluid aspen]

I prefer the 8 too, I need the horde clear on the lights and it's still okayish with the heavies

[tulip kettle]

mk8 is objectively better but theres nothing wrong with 6

[fiery wigeon]

I don't see it

[tulip kettle]

mk6 just loses horizontal attacks for no real gain

[radiant ice]

Mk6 is the supposed meta, but I agree that the Mk8 is better

[molten prawn]

Thr only issue with mk8 I have is getting to anti carapace heavies involves setup

[tulip kettle]

because the chained H3 on mk8 is still so strong you lose

yeah but cmon dude

[radiant ice]

Yeah but the push staggers Crushers

[tulip kettle]

youre already attacking stuff

[molten prawn]

They both fo

[prime elk]

True

[mossy oyster]

but one does a push attack into a 1 shot thrust poke

[fiery wigeon]

MK6 has fantastic light spam crowd clear and it opens with strikedowns on heavy instead of having to go through a vanguard or a push attack first

[molten prawn]

But mk6 can stop sprinting and spam heavies

[spice veldt]

horizontals don't really matter for hordeclear anyways as long as the attack direction is able to reasonably hit a good amount of enemies

[tulip kettle]

yeah but that my problem the 6 doesnt have any chainable accessible wide attacks

even the diagonals are pretty vertical

[north hatch]

Does anyone have a powershell script that makes sure darktide doesn't use my virtual logic processors cause having to manually turn that shit off in task manager every time I restart my PC is hella annoying

[fiery wigeon]

ive had zero issues with tearing apart hordes and accidentally smacking barrels just past the edge of my vision with mk6

[molten prawn]

Both shred hordes

[tulip kettle]

its still fine for sure

[wind spruce]

Irrelevant at higher difficulties

[radiant ice]

No

[tulip kettle]

but i think 8 just edges it out

[molten prawn]

The mk6 lights with h3 does it well

[radiant ice]

Stagger is never irrelevant

[molten prawn]

But like the heavies on both also kill crushers

[radiant ice]

We are literally the CC class

[tulip kettle]

because the horde clear is SO easy and good but the anti elite is also easy and good

[wind spruce]

Yes because staggering one enemy out of the six crushers and maulers because you were forced into it to start your attack chain is irrelevant to the outcome of the game

[fiery wigeon]

ew

[wet cloak]

Which blessings and perks are best for bolt pistol with greatsword?

[tulip kettle]

if you couldnt chain H3 i think 6 would be better

[wind spruce]

Context:

[tulip kettle]

i think point blank and then whatever

puncture not bad for anti monstrosity purposes

[molten prawn]

I think the mk8 heavy overheads come out faster

[tulip kettle]

if you have true aim youre pretty likely to have guaranteed crit anyway

from your sword and assails

i want to play rn but the bug with the greatsword making it unplayable honestly

[wet cloak]

The bug with the special not applying soulblaze?

[fiery wigeon]

what bug

[tulip kettle]

erm

no

[tulip kettle]

its like, the charged up sound plays opver itself louder and louder

and the frames drops to 0

[fiery wigeon]

imagine thinking thats a bug

oh that's odd

[tulip kettle]

it is an aknowledged bug tbf

and so is the one im having

it was fine last night but patch today broke it

[wet cloak]

It won't be fatshark otherwise

[tulip kettle]

my tin hat theory is they did it on purpose to slow people down on the new content

[analog agate]

?? Soulblaze isn’t procced on fgs special

[tulip kettle]

it is not

[fiery wigeon]

it is not

[tulip kettle]

and they aknowledged on forums that its a bug

[analog agate]

Proof

Cause we had a playtester confirm to us here that it is intentional

[fiery wigeon]

^

[mossy oyster]

literally

[tulip kettle]

yeah i saw that

but that was a play tester and this was a FS post on the forums, ill try to find it

[fiery wigeon]

link pl0x

[leaden thunder]

logically it doesn't make sense why it wouldn't and balance wise it's not gonna break the weapon

[fiery wigeon]

pocket vent lol

"we have venting shriek at home"

[spice veldt]

it is a weird priority since you're doing massive flat damage w/ infinite cleave

but no need to add onto the infinite cleave problem even more i suppose

[molten prawn]

Im still debating between zealot and psyker for greatsword, I'm liking the damage from psyker but dying in 2 busters is bothering me

[clear heath]

Did they actually say it's a bug or did they just tag the post as acknowledged?

[fiery wigeon]

just dont get burstered

[molten prawn]

True

[wet cloak]

My other problem with playing greatsword is that some teams I play on seem to fold otherwise they have a psyker to CC for them

if they don't*

[molten prawn]

I not playing cc psyker either way myself

[fiery wigeon]

i don't actually particularly like relic blade

it performs decently but man it is slow

[wind spruce]

Don't play with those teams

[molten prawn]

Ya it's a bit slow

[wet cloak]

@wind spruce That's a bit hard when I use quickplay

[wind spruce]

Skill issue. Queue with more vigour.

[wet cloak]

I shall also during the match sarcastically ask the team if they would mind not dying to the ragers

[tulip kettle]

i couldnt find the post with 5 mins of looking so ill say it came to me in a dream

[wind spruce]

Now you're getting it!

[molten prawn]

General issue with playing melee psyker is that it feels good 90% of the time and something fucks you somehow

[wet cloak]

Like a stealthy crusher coming up behind you

Very sneaky those guys

[rotund tiger]

is there a psyker build that is objectively better than the rest for the new mode or does it really just depend on the modifiers?

[molten prawn]

4 reapers on a corner

[fluid aspen]

Just died because my 2 pip slash got interrupted by a hit

[molten prawn]

Ya

[clear heath]

pain

[molten prawn]

Meanwhile I get to not die every minute on zeal

[fluid aspen]

I was about to wipe the entire room with it too

[patent steeple]

getting the slash interrupted by getting hit is so common to me as well...

[flat moat]

What are some good secondarys to pair with the FGS?

[molten prawn]

Depends what you build

[patent steeple]

laspistol if doing full melee build.

[molten prawn]

Revolver or the other usual suspects

[wind spruce]

There will never be an objectively best build

[molten prawn]

Unless your vet with VoC

[rotund tiger]

that new zealot sword is objectively better so

figured id ask

[wind spruce]

That's an objectively best combat ability and weapon respectively, not an overall build

[wet cloak]

I saw some zealots still using duelling even though they just got a new melee weapon, heresy.

[rotund tiger]

semantics

[leaden thunder]

far as i've heard sounds like bubble becomes almost "manadatory" for high havoc

[wind spruce]

Are important

[leaden thunder]

so just take bubble and do what ever, maybe smite if you are actually gonna use it properly

[marble crater]

What are we arguing about today?

[wind spruce]

If you just want to know if there's any objectively best choices in builds, say that. You should take talents

Don't bring a tac axe

[leaden thunder]

don't bring a shredder pistol

[wind spruce]

Dome is the best choice out of dome and wall