psyker-class

[mental grail]

SG is peak

[dire warren]

Be careful with pushes and power hits and you'll be fine.

[mental grail]

Meleeker with scriers is super kino

[strong gulch]

@lethal lagoon @split lance I'm done for now. If you want to try later or tomorrow. I'll be down.

[lethal lagoon]

Uhhh, the person I was playing with is taking a shit. So if you have room for 2 in about 10 minutes, sure.

[fringe garden]

Yeah, it's hard for me to take bubble nowadays. And I love bubble. But SG is just... mmmh

[split lance]

:kiss her

[lethal lagoon]

Feel free not to wait though.

[strong gulch]

Need a break for now.

[fiery stratus]

nah its all good

we can wait for a few

[split lance]

[fiery stratus]

i need to upgrade fgs tbh

[lethal lagoon]

Shit faster.

[split lance]

I just sat down

Literally

[nocturne dust]

[mental grail]

I read this too fast and had to double take

[strong gulch]

https://tenor.com/view/pooping-elmo-intensifies-gif-5448312

[fiery stratus]

[hard solstice]

why do i love this so much

[rich trench]

guys why are stats so low from brunts armoy

armory

[fiery stratus]

are you level 30

[rich trench]

yes

[mental grail]

you're meant to upgrade them yourself

[lethal lagoon]

^

[rich trench]

how

[fiery stratus]

just keep rolling until you get base stats on the dumpstat

then you have to use them

[rich trench]

i havent played since the crafting rework

[mental grail]

melk is for fully upgraded weapons

[fiery stratus]

hit i for inventory and click mastery

[rich trench]

do i have to fill up the power?

its at 100/500 rn

[hard solstice]

Um, this "charged strike" talent node is new to me. Is it bait or is electrocute on heavy melee good with new force greatsword?

[lethal lagoon]

Come on down to 69 it's a better channel @nocturne dust

[mental grail]

https://tenor.com/view/oof-disappointed-facepalm-reaction-vicente-del-bosque-gif-17817343

you're cooked

[rich trench]

??

how do i raise it

[teal needle]

lol I haven't gotten a 100 i na while. I get ~300 usually

You get mastery then entreat hadron

[mental grail]

you gotta raise it

[rich trench]

yah how

[mental grail]

but it's gonna cost a fortune

[patent jacinth]

Or you can play the game

But that’s overrated anyways

[teal needle]

Who plays video games

Nerds, that's who

[rich trench]

wdym

[patent jacinth]

Just drop 450000 dockets and 6k plasteel on a full mastery

[mental grail]

Playing the game ain't gonna auto-upgrade their sword

[patent jacinth]

It’ll give mastery

[mental grail]

that shit is cooked, beyond well-done

[teal needle]

Go on missions to get mastery. Mastery unlocks weapon potential. Go to Hadron and entreat her then enhance weapon to raise stats based on your mastery.

[mental grail]

better buy a 300~ sword and go from there

[dire warren]

Hadron (The robo lady near the weapon vendor) raises and buffs weapons and curios,

[mental grail]

it will take less time

Brunt is so lucky he's gone

If that fatass mf gave me a sub ~200 greatsword I would kick his ass

[rich trench]

300 common?

[mental grail]

Yeah

[rich trench]

my blue is 380

i get consistent 300 commons

[mental grail]

Dropped 200k dockets farming godrolls and 300-330 is average

[rich trench]

but the stats are lowkey shit

[mental grail]

You want a warp resistance dump stat sword ideally

[nocturne dust]

embrace the warp

[rich trench]

i have 80 dnmg 20 finesse 79 cleave 56 def and 74 warp res

[mental grail]

For example.

it's at like 320, but with mastery and enhancement, it will be peak

[rich trench]

so itll go up as i upgrade it?

the stats

[gilded viper]

Warp Resistance is a dump stat because psyker gets nothing from sitting at low peril, but a ton from being at high peril

[mental grail]

you'll take it to hadron for entreatment after getting high enough mastery

[patent jacinth]

Fair warning though empowering stuff is expensive

[fathom adder]

It also barely scales at all between 60 to 80

[dire orchid]

Got 60 warp resist in my third sword

[gilded viper]

Nice

[mental grail]

Nice

[patent jacinth]

2k diamantine and like 3k plasteel plus maybe 60-80k dockets

[gilded viper]

I got my perfect 500 from melk

[mental grail]

took me 200k and roughly 20-21 swords

[gilded viper]

No brunt needed babyeee

[mental grail]

he secretly hates me

I haven't seen a greatsword in melks inventory at all yet

[gilded viper]

I’m sure it’ll show eventually

[inland berry]

i got mine pretty easy

[mental grail]

https://tenor.com/view/skull-fall-skeleton-disappointed-gif-15613679342612459378

[rich trench]

why is my transcendent 320 only

[mental grail]

Empowerment is separate from consecrating

[hazy moss]

why does mk6 fgs suck into hordes

[mental grail]

it's not the horde sword

[rich trench]

ahh

[inland berry]

same reason why the mk8 is only okay into elites

[wind spruce]

It doesn't

[mental grail]

You need empowerment.

[hazy moss]

how COME

[mental grail]

For that, you'll need mastery, which is best gained by playing the game (with the weapon*), and sacrificing multiple of the same weapon to hadron.

[patent jacinth]

To get to 19 mastery from 0 you can spend 450000 dockets and 6k plasteel on green weapons of the same type from brunt

[inland berry]

i really like party finder

[mental grail]

uhh

[inland berry]

i like having one of every class

[wind spruce]

I liked it better capitalised

[mental grail]

@rich trench right quick how many dockets do you have 💀

[hazy moss]

[patent jacinth]

This might also be skewed a bit because this is for PGS which is expensive (11800 dockets per base)

[rich trench]

spent it all

2k

[mental grail]

yeah you're cooked for the time being

just play the game with the weapon

you'll be fine after a couple hours

[patent jacinth]

You either play the game with that mid as hell weapon or farm dockets on another build to buy and upgrade a shit ton of green bases

[mental grail]

^

[plucky flax]

Poor people problem

[mental grail]

I recommend option #2

[patent jacinth]

Same

[feral juniper]

Quick noob question what are the best blessings to run on the new greatsword

Because they all look good

[mental grail]

individual preference

also depends on if you're running scriers or not

[wind spruce]

Most of them are bad

[hard solstice]

So I'm trying scrier greatsword soulblaze psyker, and either I suck or this isnt quite working. Probably I just suck

[feral juniper]

Same here 😭

[mental grail]

soulblaze on a sword 🤮🤮🤮

[wind spruce]

Soulblaze as in blazing spirit? Cos that's not you sucking that's the blessing

[plucky flax]

Shred riposte if you want crit maxing

[hard solstice]

Likely I'll have to wait until some youtuber figures out how to build it right and i can copy that

[barren pine]

Haveloch was in this maelstom since the beginning of the mission btw. everyone was and we failed halfway through

[mental grail]

keep soulblaze builds on stave mains where it belongs, don't put that shit on a sword

lmao

[wind spruce]

Try wrath & riposte. Wrath helps manage hordes more safely and riposte is just good

[hazy moss]

this is what ive been using on the mk8

feels decent but not as good as illsi

[hard solstice]

I took smite, but find i struggle with long range.

[plucky flax]

I been running this in havoc up to 22 now. But I use a gun instead of voidstrike
https://youtu.be/DbQcNRqQ0KA

[analog agate]

Cause illisi is better

[wind spruce]

Yeah but it can actually kill elites unlike illisi

[wind spruce]

Diabolical

[mental grail]

Bruh

[plucky flax]

Have to assails weaving for chaffs clear

[hazy moss]

i agree

[analog agate]

GS is fun though

I enjoy playing with it

[wind spruce]

Imagine not being able to use a melee weapon properly and always needing assail

[mental grail]

I use assail for toughness regen when needed, and for the warp weaving perk

forgot the name

[wind spruce]

Malefic momentum

[plucky flax]

Hey I like utilising all my kits

[mental grail]

thank you

[wind spruce]

That's why I weave BB in when crushing hordes

[plucky flax]

That's op strat

[wind spruce]

Shhh it's a secret

[ashen vine]

What're everyone's preferred mark for the relic sword?

[plucky flax]

At high dd stacks the heavy 2 stab hits different man

[wind spruce]

I prefer not playing zealot

[ashen vine]

wait this isnt zealot chat

begone freaks

[wind spruce]

Get out

[haughty star]

pubs are just awful rn lolol

[plucky flax]

Zealot big sword is so bad

[haughty star]

the influx is insane

[wind spruce]

I feel bad for the heretics

Every heavy is a kill

Rager packs just get deleted

[hazy moss]

for which sword?

[wind spruce]

Devils claw

[plucky flax]

Mk6 big sword

I prefer if over the 8

[hazy moss]

devils claw is too op, i dont like using it bc it trivializes the game

[fast coral]

I'm actually really enjoying GS but idk what blitz to use with it. Just doing smite for extra cc and DD. Should I try assail?

[hazy moss]

i once one shot a demon head with it

[wind spruce]

I don't even play darktide because I trivialise the game

[mental grail]

real and relatable

[plucky flax]

Try assails for sure. Let you be nimble

[spiral minnow]

so tryied force 2hander yesterday and it was fine, just slow
any tips for the charge mechanic? how to fill it faster, how much dmg does first half vs full power, do i have hold attack longer after using special attack or i can unleash it right away? what perks do u recommend? .)

[fast coral]

Yeah the mk8 has nice sweeps but the mk6 easily takes care of carapace

[plucky flax]

Cos if you smiting you ain't swingeing big sword

[fast coral]

Kills = charge

[dire warren]

Set 'em up, Knock 'em down seems to work alright

[fast coral]

I'm liking riposte and shred

[wind spruce]

Carapace and unyielding go brrrrr

[hard solstice]

I was just in a mission, the audio started cutting out and stuttering terribly, a mutie started levitating while t-posing and phased straight through wall, and then i got booted from session

[wind spruce]

That means you gotta uninstall sorry

[hard solstice]

what visions is the emperor blessing me with

[mental grail]

the mastery skin isn't terrible, I just wish it was more subdued

[wind spruce]

Pain in the ass 😦

[analog agate]

Yep. Server stability is dog right now

[fast coral]

I'll give it a try, extra toughness regen and ability to take out snipers in a pinch is never a bad thing

[hazy moss]

what are good combos for the mk6

[plucky flax]

I'll cheat on syllogism and wake up early to grind havoc

[wind spruce]

Light Light Light heavy for horde clear. All the heavies for elite bonking

[mental grail]

Here, study.

[wind spruce]

But it's a complex weapon, just gotta learn the weird quirks

[hazy moss]

[tacit stump]

go with it against crushers and maulers

[wind spruce]

Oh you don't like the McDonald's red??

[fast coral]

Bruh

That's so indepth

I kinda love it lol

[tacit stump]

looks at sword and dagger from vt2

[fast coral]

Yeah I love the people instantly calling it trash when it's arguably one of the most rewarding weapon when used right

[wind spruce]

It's hard only having 7 brain cells so we forgive them

[tacit stump]

i don't mind bit more difficult weapons

[fast coral]

I need the dueling sword Mk4 chart guys

It's too complicated

[wind spruce]

[tacit stump]

throws ogryn pickaxes at you

[fast coral]

https://tenor.com/view/dies-cat-dead-died-gif-13827091

[wind spruce]

Are any of you losers apac south players

[tacit stump]

eu

[fast coral]

NA

[unreal wasp]

Wrong kind of South here

[fast coral]

The ping would be horrendous

not that low ping ever stopped stupid shit from happening

[restive slate]

Are mods working already?

[tacit stump]

the ones i use yes

chat block and numeric-ui have updates those were the only two by me with errors yesterday

[fast coral]

Go check modder discord announcements. That should be your first check every update instead of asking in Psyker chat lmao

There's a few that hard crash you, should have updates now

[restive slate]

Modder discord?

[fast coral]

Brother you are in it

We have it as a mutual

[restive slate]

Oh its been so long since I last checked

Lol

[fast coral]

#1048318680720744529 message

[tacit stump]

yeah you are really in darktide modders

[mental grail]

It really like the model itself though

[fast coral]

I like the mk8 model more than the mk6 too

[mental grail]

If it was just the section near the crossguard, with a polished metal blade, I'd be fine.

Or burnished steel

[fast coral]

Maybe it's time to brave downloading the weapon customization mod again and pray it won't crash me

[mental grail]

red and black steel go together well

[inland berry]

what perks do i run on fgs?

[mental grail]

maniac/flak + cara/unyielding

[fast coral]

I like riposte and shred but something else may be better

[mental grail]

any combo of those

[fast coral]

Oh perks

What blessings are good to run? Or is what I'm using ok

[haughty star]

wrath is a must imo but warp splitting is a thing

[tacit stump]

sounds like slapping ragers or crushers

[umbral steppe]

Well, decided to choose Psyker for my first class.

[haughty star]

oh no

[umbral steppe]

I've only accidently killed myself once.

[fast coral]

Really? Does the cleave even work with the warp slice

[umbral steppe]

Which is pretty good.

[inland berry]

Personally i run momentum wrath

because i want to not die in hordes

[tacit stump]

uhm psyker is glascannon

[haughty star]

no? but you have a shit ton of build up to the warp slice lol

[mental grail]

https://tenor.com/view/black-handshake-druski-rapper-gif-20590250

[umbral steppe]

I already know that that I gonna get a Dueling Sword; slap on Riposte and I'm good.

[inland berry]

lmao

good plan

[fast coral]

Welcome :D

[summer prairie]

the GS special damage falloff is pretty bad

[umbral steppe]

And then either go Brain Burst or Assail.

[mental grail]

Pretty much

[rustic crystal]

Simply get Karking stuck in

[umbral steppe]

Gracias.

[mental grail]

You gotta pick basically

[lyric hare]

Mmm

Funny new Greatsword doesn't feel amazing, but the special attack pay off makes up for it

[tacit stump]

yeets deimos force sword and mk6 forcegs at you use those

[rustic crystal]

(I do wish I could hit the whole horde with the laser beam like some kind of mental-artillery)

[summer prairie]

you can really only use it as a melee beam even though it seems like it has a long range

[haughty star]

i genuinely don't understand how people don't think it feels amazing lol its great

[inland berry]

it has a pretty decent range if you charge it up

[fast coral]

Weirdly enough I like the combos more than warp slice. I mainly use the slice close up, if I gotta get a horde off a teammate

[haughty star]

maybe non wrath enjoyers

[hard solstice]

fatshark servers were definitely not prepared for the player volume this update seems to have brought

[mental grail]

momentum/wrath or unstable/wrath if I'm running gunker

[summer prairie]

range yes, but it does no damage to targets further away

[umbral steppe]

I do not plan to be a Gun Psyker though.

[spiral minnow]

i still didnt unlocked second mark of GS, what is different?

[fast coral]

Too much DS usage creates a skill issue

[lyric hare]

That's rather fair

[inland berry]

im running in auric mael to see if the mk6 has enough horde clear for assail to supplement it

[mental grail]

https://tenor.com/view/cooler-if-you-did-driving-car-haleb-pretty-little-liars-gif-15513608

[tacit stump]

melk is a b give me a proper force gs which has not a bad dumpstat it can even be all 70 something

[lyric hare]

Though I am like

Trying to run a Scriers/brain burst build and dreing how that goes

[fast coral]

What are you guys running in terms of builds? I don't even have the melee talents and it still shreds anything in auric mael

[mental grail]

This shit is so ass, I can't have shit on atoma 💀

[rustic crystal]

Even when they "fixed" itemization with mastery I didn't like the progression.
I was copium willing to give Havoc a try, and came back for that... But it's lowkey feeling like I'm just relegated to farming for mastery fodder to get BiS to even begin trying it- Just another sweatted out endgame with no progression past what I've already done

[tacit stump]

wonders me that ds didn't got nerfed yet

[tight saddle]

I forgot to save materials for these new weapons lmfao

[rustic crystal]

Really hoped it was more like some of the roguelite inspired endgame areas like POE/Warframe have had, like Diablo/WoW tried out recently.

[mental grail]

fatshark chronic mental instability striking again

[fast coral]

For about 4-5 hours after release grey weapons from brunt we're dropping at 440+

I maxed my shit immediately

[umbral steppe]

Probably just gonna stick with Brain Burst for a while.

[tight saddle]

it only took me a day or two to have multiple BiS loadouts for my main and one BiS set on my alt

[haughty star]

personally this rn

[mental grail]

ignoring dueling sword completely to hand out a nerf to ogyrn for no real reason

[umbral steppe]

What Staff is the best for Brain Burst?

[mental grail]

obese carcharodon behavior

[fast coral]

[mental grail]

purg

[fast coral]

Inferno/Purga

[hard solstice]

funny thing is vermintide 2 actually has a reaaly great roguelike mode, so its not even like fatshark is incapable of making that for darktide, they just havent

[tacit stump]

melks are guaranteed 380 base

[fast coral]

I hope and pray that's next year

[haughty star]

https://tenor.com/view/thats-the-neat-part-you-dont-invincible-gif-27194608

[umbral steppe]

May I ask why?

[summer prairie]

who are these guys, are they on the new map

[tacit stump]

sneaks through chaoswastes as shade

[haughty star]

yes lol they make the shield at the end

[rustic crystal]

Right- And I hated playing the one-armed bandit to get BiS just to participate in endgame with different builds.
Now I can click the BiS for each build I want to try after 6 hours of farming and then I can participate in endgame and

The question still is: Why am I participating in the endgame then? I'm already using "BiS" loosely here, it's more like "Not actively arbitrarily worse for no reason"

[hard solstice]

Okay so blessing for force greatsword? Since yall said blazing spirit wasnt good. (RIP my burny sword dreams 🥹 )

[haughty star]

wrath for sure

other is optional

[mental grail]

Chaos hypeguys

[inland berry]

i feel your pain

[haughty star]

crit is a good idea

momentum good

[fast coral]

Momentum is good for comfort apparently, but I'm doing fine with riposte

[mental grail]

wrath (mandatory)

[hard solstice]

I'm wondering if momentum might be worth just cause toughness regen is kinda hard for melee psyker

[haughty star]

you can basically run whatever sword strong as hell but wrath is mandatory

[mental grail]

secondary blessing personal preference

[haughty star]

sword feels like shit without it

[inland berry]

thats why i use it

[hard solstice]

okay consensus is definitely take wrath so ill do that. Wouldn't have guess cleave is that important

[haughty star]

like a hot knife through butter with wraith

[inland berry]

ima be real guys

mk6 isn't doing it for me

[haughty star]

basically makes you forget dclaw or illisi ever existed for horde clear anyway

[inland berry]

oh absolutely

[tacit stump]

did you infused a ghost into yours?

[haughty star]

that and semen

lots and lots of semen

[lyric hare]

I was wondering why my sword felt so bad

I forgot wrath existed

[wise pecan]

looking for advice: voidblast staff. dump quell speed or warp resistance?

[rose edge]

In order to do Malleus Monstronum you literally need a teammate to do a private? no way to do solo??

[umbral steppe]

OK, one more question.

Is building Toughness or Health on Curios better?

[tacit stump]

poor ghost

[tribal echo]

thoughness

[haughty star]

toughness

[tacit stump]

warp res

[umbral steppe]

Had a feeling.

[haughty star]

you can regen toughness

can't regen health

[inland berry]

almost there y'all

[haughty star]

[inland berry]

for gsword definitely toughness

[fast coral]

The consensus will be toughness but I like 2 tough and 1 hp

[umbral steppe]

Just wanted to make sure.

I did my research before playing the game.

[inland berry]

because momentum is %tgh and that means more overall tgh is more momentum regen

do shotgunners count as gunners?

[rose edge]

What refinements to go for? I have unyielding and carapace rn

on greatsword

[tacit stump]

crusher slapper

[tight saddle]

because the gameplay is fun and you play for fun, it's stupid fast and easy to get BiS in one day for any build you want now compared to before where you couldn't really make multiple fun or meme loadouts let alone a "perfect" build unless you sunk a LOT of resources into it. I prefer this method of getting BiS quickly and then playing for the amazing combat this game offers.

[inland berry]

what do they count as then?

[normal monolith]

unyielding and carapace seems to be the best bet for big sword

[fast coral]

Assholes

[haughty star]

if i don't have 3xtough i do 2xtough and 1x stam

[spice veldt]

nothing that falls under a curio perk

[steep reef]

I'll help you do it if you return the favor.

[inland berry]

fuck

[rose edge]

downb

[haughty star]

i also do flak so it chews through the bruisers ezzz

[normal monolith]

the smaller swords it was more flak/maniac but that was back when scab ragers were flak

[fast coral]

They nerfed shotgunners pushing you back anyway

[inland berry]

I can also help y'all

[fast coral]

They're not a threat anymore lol

[umbral steppe]

Gotta say, pretty fun playing a Psyker with no need for Ammo. Useful for people playing Vets and Ranged Orgyrns.

[tacit stump]

ragers are 75% flak still

[inland berry]

17ish so far, but i haven't really been pushing

[fast coral]

A stream I was watching had a psyker at 35

I'm not counting playtests

[normal monolith]

they going hard

[tacit stump]

aim for the head it is still flak or chop their legs and arms off

[umbral steppe]

God dammit. If only I could send images.

[inland berry]

keep talking and you can

witness

[umbral steppe]

Had a feeling.

[tacit stump]

i have seen the link

[umbral steppe]

Wonderful.

[inland berry]

the extra wound is to stop the corruption damage in havoc from fucking me

[rose edge]

did u wanna run Malleus Monstronum?

[split lance]

@nocturne dust just doesnt love us ig

[inland berry]

sure

[rose edge]

I dmd you

[fast coral]

Toughness regen speed is useless imo

[umbral steppe]

Another important question.

How would yall rate the fashion of of the Psyker compared to the other classes?

Good or bad?

[fast coral]

The best

[rose edge]

better than Ogryn

[tacit stump]

i go mostly with stamina regen and block cost reduction

[fast coral]

Me too

[tribal echo]

https://tenor.com/view/i-love-jer-gif-21519490

the psyker in question

[fast coral]

[prime elk]

i'm testing it, but i think it's better than people expect it to be

[tacit stump]

i want this and the beam staff in this game

[fresh dune]

okay you know what

fuck smite scream

new fav is brain burst shield with flame staff and fgs

[prime elk]

it's controversial though

[rustic crystal]

Yes. I hoped I would too. The thing is, I bounced off shortly after hitting 30 (after stalling out with the old old release perk system) and so... Idk? Since I didn't suffer already, this doesn't feel "wayyyyy better" just "also bad"
And then the combat is fun but like... Without any progression, I'm just playing to play the game which... Wasn't I doing that for the past several hours while I was grinding? Except that was weirdly handicapped with stunted mechanics so like....

I'm still gonna getting mileage out of it. Just feels like I spend a lot of my time in game thinking that it could be more easily enjoyable (which leads to the evergreen elephant in the room: We had X in Vermintide so why is Darktide acting brand new??)

[tribal echo]

yes, i only really started playing vermntide since the last 2 weeks and she has a bunch of staves they could easily port over

[haughty star]

ayyey

[tacit stump]

lifestealer staff and coruscation would be fun aswell

[tribal echo]

the scythe too

[hazy moss]

why is her head on fire?

[fast coral]

the beam staff pls

[tacit stump]

i played a lot of sienna

[fast coral]

It works as a campfire for the whole group

[tacit stump]

typical firemage syndrome

[tribal echo]

sienna is my favourite character (gameplay wise at least) in vt2 and i am ass at playing her lol

[tacit stump]

overheat mechanic comes from her

[hazy moss]

isnt like most of the content in darktide from vt2

most of the abilities and keystones are 💀

and the monstrosities too

[umbral steppe]

Remind me what the best Dueling Sword is? I'm not very smart with the naming.

[tacit stump]

second fav preffered stabbing as kerillian shade

[wind spruce]

Force greatsword

[tribal echo]

its more like an evolution in a lot of ways

[fast coral]

4. It's braindead, heavy pokes

[umbral steppe]

4, got it.

[tribal echo]

like maulers, dogs/assasins and netters/leechers are better in darktide imo

very few weapons are also identical

the most similar thing is i think the chaos spawn

[tacit stump]

we have still monsters which throws up on us

[quartz barn]

Plague ogryn and rat ogre are largely the same too

[tacit stump]

weird we don't have something similar to stormfiends

[tribal echo]

i was thinking that as well, it seems they have smashed mauler and stormvermin together

[tacit stump]

the norskar two hand axe users and stormvermin

not chaoswarriors thos are crushers now

[tribal echo]

we have snipers. fire bombers and gunners

i guess?

[tacit stump]

ratlings = reaper?

[potent echo]

Imagine if ratings could walk haha

[tribal echo]

i forgot the name but kerillians stave would also be a good option for psyker

CC/damage staff

[potent echo]

Anything

Any sienna staff

We'll take anything fatshark

[tribal echo]

i guess we have flame wave and the euh voidblast staff i forgot the name of

[tacit stump]

maybe warp shards like assail in smaller and brain curroption for cc

[tribal echo]

the ground explode staff not the fire one

[umbral steppe]

Damn. This game is fun.

I think I'm gonna play this for a while.

[potent echo]

[fast coral]

I don't think we'll get new staves any time soon tho, vet needs something or they'll riot

[tacit stump]

conflagaration is now trauma/voidbladt

[potent echo]

Next update, vet gets exclusive staff, psyker gets more guns

[tribal echo]

beam staff would be great: then we get the shotgun too

[spice veldt]

next update: psyker gets everything

[fast coral]

Staff is just a melee weapon

[tacit stump]

gets force dagger

[potent echo]

Pickaxe gonna blow these FGS out of the warp

[tribal echo]

what wold they even give the vet at this point

melter?

[potent echo]

Melta

[spice veldt]

waltuh

[tacit stump]

longlas

[lunar hollow]

kid named finger aquilla skin when

[potent echo]

Or machine gun las

[fast coral]

Plasma pistol

[tacit stump]

hotshot volley las backpack issue

the thing scab gunners use

[tight saddle]

I don't think this is a game for you if you are the kind of player who prefers perpetual carrots to chase after. The Tide games are about the endless replayability after you quickly get the loadouts maxed out for those who enjoy this kind of combat. For example I played 350 hours before they reworked the crafting system and I never had a "perfect" loadout and even less so fully built fun or meme loadouts. That's because it was all RNG oriented to get good items and it was ass. Now I can play 1 day and try out a perfect BiS build whether it be meta or for fun so I can keep playing without having crap to "chase" after or "progress" through. I just want to come home, and play a fun game, not chase after carrots.

[tribal echo]

i just like this game because the gameplay loop is fun, i dont have anything to do really besides chasing penances

[tacit stump]

in vt2 you needed
to grind reds on champion or legendary for perfect weapons

looks at over 100 runs chaoswastes

[unreal wasp]

[tribal echo]

ive been trying to play legendary with sienna and struggling a bit, maybe i should play like an easier class first

like footnight or something

[tacit stump]

kerillian?

[tight saddle]

I just want the Bretonnian Longsword in Darktide, I would main whatever class gets it (except Ogryn.)

[tacit stump]

i want something similar to glaive and sword&dagger

[quick tulip]

Terra I would kill for that, just...

[tight saddle]

Have they ever stated why there's no dual-wielding in Darktide?

[tribal echo]

i had hoped the relic sword had a moveset like that

[tacit stump]

no idea

[quick tulip]

I just want bret Sward and bard

[tacit stump]

smells like zealot

[quick tulip]

Mmmno psyker main

I just love shield bashing sh--

[tacit stump]

i mean the weapon combo

[quick tulip]

Sadly

Unless some kind of... psy shield

That wasn't just... deflector

[tacit stump]

imagine forcedagger with forcegs mechanic with long range stab

deflector should be innate

[quick tulip]

It really
Really should be

It's not worth an entire blessing slot

ITS NOT AND I CANT TAKE IT

[spice veldt]

i think it's worth on higher havocs for safety

just that ranged enemies otherwise just tend to be mitigated easily on lower difficulties

it's the same problem with support sutff (mostly chorus/bubble/smoke) where they don't come into play if you don't have any survivability issues in the first place

[tacit stump]

i dislike chorus to use

but love voc or bubble

[spice veldt]

i assume just having to hold the cast is the part that you dislike

[tacit stump]

yes

[spice veldt]

which makes sense

[fiery wigeon]

chorus taking three years to do what one vet shout does instantly is frustrating

[tacit stump]

i wouldn't mind if i could res during it

[plucky flax]

FS's way of buffing bubble = take it or die to op shooters

[potent echo]

FGS and relicblade is probably the closest

[tribal echo]

vet shout just feels too strong in general

[tacit stump]

hello kruber

[spice veldt]

overtoughness upgrade node duration could get dropped from 15 seconds to 10 seconds just for parity with chorus, though it could be lower (8 seconds?)
tactical awareness is too much value (CDR in general should probably get a looking at)
probably shouldn't sit Crushers completely on their ground; should be light stagger at the most
etc.

[nova dirge]

i was thinking more moonlight greatsword

[tribal echo]

the special activate is a bit like armored core's moonlight greatsword

[fiery wigeon]

force gs 8 feels like ive combined illisi crowd clear on the lights with deimos single target on the heavy

feels great to use

[tacit stump]

i wanted more to use mk6 variant if i get on for levelling from melk

[split lance]

@nocturne dust i crashed. but i fell for you

[spice flame]

[fiery wigeon]

both variants unlock at mastery 7 and lottery version is mk8

luckily mastery 7 is like 3 missions at worst lol

[summer prairie]

@plucky flax what's your schedule like today if we are doing more havoc

[tacit stump]

i didn't saw yesterday or today on single force gs from melk

[umbral steppe]

Man; these Twins are hard to beat.

[tacit stump]

i would use mk8 for some time i would give it a try

thats why they are a special mission

[split lance]

hes mine

[steep kindle]

heya heya

[unreal wasp]

Mainly just because red

[north hatch]

@plucky flax Do you know if any of these mods are known to cause performance issues? Cause I get a very noticable fps drop when running mods and I thought it might be scoreboard that did it but apparently as long as I don't save the scores from previous game it's supposed to be fixed so it might be something else?

[mental grail]

Bro same

[steep kindle]

anyone been playing with the new two handed forcesword in a pure melee build?

[tacit stump]

and the relic swords had sloppy batteries

[steep kindle]

doesn't seem, too bad from the little bit of auric damnation I've tried so far

seems kinda unfeasible on mael though

[umbral steppe]

Man; is it just me.

Or does is Kentic Flayer way better then Kinetic Resonance?

[plucky flax]

Do you have weapon cusotmisation?

[umbral steppe]

But I dunno if I should take it cuz I'm playing a Psyker who is built around high Peril.

[plucky flax]

It decreases performance too.

[north hatch]

I did but I did a re-install and I'm not using it now

[plucky flax]

Out of the mods in your screenshot only hp bars should decrease performance.

Make sure you have the latest version of everything.

Turn off nvidia auto game capture thingy.

Highlight or something.

[north hatch]

Is that supposed to auto record gameplay?

[plucky flax]

Yeah I don't even know where it stores or whatever. Xd

@summer prairie

I was lone psyker in a group and I had to take bubble.

[north hatch]

Is that different from shadowplay?

Cause I think that's off by default

[fiery wigeon]

they do different things

[plucky flax]

Oh file format.

[fiery wigeon]

resonance is pretty important if you plan to actually use bb

[plucky flax]

Anyway press alt z

And there's a highlight thing.

[north hatch]

Yeah ok that's disabled by default

[plucky flax]

Maybe if you just turn off shadowplay tho then itshouldn't do anything

[north hatch]

For me

So I got that covered

[plucky flax]

It's just fartshart man

[umbral steppe]

Should I use that one? Cuz I'm making my Psyker rely heavily on high-peril.

[plucky flax]

Performance decrease every patch.

[north hatch]

Shame

Maybe I just won

won't play with mods

[plucky flax]

I did havoc 24 solo clutch

But if you get touched by shooters you die.

[tacit stump]

deflector?

[dry ivy]

zealot resident coming to tell you that i fw this weapon heavy

[plucky flax]

I run both deflector and bubble for that.

[summer prairie]

25 is another hidden rank buff

[plucky flax]

At 24 alreaady my hp and toughness are so low.

This is hell

[tacit stump]

so wrath and deflector on force gs

[plucky flax]

I run deflector shred.

But this is only for damnation havoc.

If you play maelstrom just go shred riposte for big damage.

[slate oasis]

so I just did my maelstrom to unlock havoc and got rank 16. does that mean I start at havoc level 16 or are rank and havoc level different things?

[plucky flax]

Ye you start at 16.

[bold maple]

I had hoped the greatsword was more forcy than swordy

alas, it's mostly sword with the occasional activation

[slate oasis]

honestly same. I wanted to be shooting sword beams all the time, but it's still pretty cool

[tacit stump]

each beam increases peril by 20-30% then it would be fine

[plucky flax]

The special is sort of a meme.

It's good that it has deflector + decent horde clear and good elites clear.

If you take deflector with illisi you don't have much elites clear.

If you take deflector with deimos you don't have much horde clear.

[steep kindle]

yeah it's not super ideal to try and play at high peral sword beam gaming, I've tried it, not the best

[plucky flax]

So it's decent trade off to do both but with lower mobility.

[spice flame]

The special is situational I feel like, it can stagger a big, delete a lot of enemies at range in a pinch, but I don't use it that often

bonus point style tho

[tacit stump]

i wouldn't mind if they made deflector innate

[steep kindle]

the stagger is honestly kind of the secret sauce, it really helps with closing distance

[plucky flax]

I agree tbh. Bake it in kinetic deflection.

[spice flame]

And yeah, I will probably take deflector on higher havoc lvl, cause the gunners are fucking cracked

[summer prairie]

The essence decay is bad, it needs to go or be slower. Or stop at thresholds

[plucky flax]

Yeah I wish there's no decay too.

[spice flame]

Decay is a bit of an issue yeah

[spice veldt]

i think it's fine to suit its identity as a main-er weapon

[plucky flax]

So you can open up with a big juicy force slash.

[spice veldt]

so that you can't just save it up all the time

use it or lose it

i'd prefer if the decay was faster to further punish non-main usage of it

[plucky flax]

I think I used force slash like 2 or 3 times becuase I keep forgetting or I don't want to use when not max.

[steep kindle]

oh for those of you who are trying to do high peril greatsword

neat trick

so

at 90(ish) peral if you pop the special sword beam again it will take you to 100 but will never straight up kill you

take crack of the bone

you can just

spam it

very funny, if not practical at all

[plucky flax]

@summer prairie at havoc 24 already ammo crate only gives like 50% ammo or something.

[spice flame]

But I really like to pair GS with voidstrike, it alters my playstyle a lot, using the staff only for big elites, or shotgunners conga line, I'm more versatile and fast

[plucky flax]

Any medicae station with 4 charges can now spawn with less charges.

Like end event at carnival.

[summer prairie]

Can't wait for -85% quell speed

[plucky flax]

This is ultra sus.

[tribal echo]

does anyone have an invite to the mod server

[plucky flax]

Get to end event and the medicae station has 1 charge

[summer prairie]

Google it

[tacit stump]

#📌communities

[tribal echo]

ty ty

[steep kindle]

o o f

sounds kinda spicy

[spice flame]

and it's only lvl 24

[steep kindle]

btw, out of the perk combo's what are we feeling on greatsword?

[spice flame]

[steep kindle]

beyond like

the obvious

(riposte/deflec)

[spice flame]

I kinda want to record a gameplay in auric mael tonight, that nobody will watch, but yesterday I clutched the hell out of it with Void/GS/Assail

[plucky flax]

@summer prairie okay so it looks like the charges give ammo at random? I have 70%, then 45%, 60% and 25% (double dipper smh)

[steep kindle]

oh what the fuck that is evil

[plucky flax]

The vet ended up with no ammo still cos of double dipping Xd

[steep kindle]

if it's random

💀

[spice flame]

oh boy

[plucky flax]

So if you're used to smashing e at crate.

[nocturne dust]

[spice flame]

neat

[tacit stump]

thats why i have ration counter

[nocturne dust]

wtf is that

[plucky flax]

You could take all 4 charges.

[pine hearth]

is it just me or are there alot more ppl just running off like its malice

in auric dam

sight seeting

[tacit stump]

i think not to touch havoc

[spice flame]

players new to auric mael that want to unlock havoc I suppose

it was rough yesterday, clearly not the same ppl as usual

[tacit stump]

i know auric heresy with its chaos cause damnation maelstrom oh god it gonna be pain

[plucky flax]

I'm about to gatekeep havoc.

Only lvl 1k+ can join.

[nocturne dust]

https://tenor.com/view/sad-fade-fade-away-disappear-evaporate-gif-16638726229780416323

[tacit stump]

i can't join i am 48x account lv

[spice flame]

[plucky flax]

I am only 901

[spice flame]

wrong emoji.

[plucky flax]

Gatekeep myself.

[plucky flax]

Damn you're pretty fresh my boi

[spice flame]

I have no idea what is my lvl

[pine shore]

I started seeing ps players

[strong gulch]

If I combine my psykers, I'm over 1k. Still mid tho. 🫡

[tacit stump]

i played mostly auric heresy mostly with shocktroops and i started like last december and had on and off times

[plucky flax]

High level havoc is a lot tougher than auric mael already.

Especially the shooters.

[pine shore]

It was hilarious when a lvl 47 zealot with a bolter joined no ammo, only melee, only scab auric maelstorm and asked "Where ammo?"

[plucky flax]

If you're touched you die.

[nocturne dust]

By the time I was lvl 10 I'd already true-soloed my first auric mael I then went on to become John Psyker himself

[tacit stump]

i mean i am like in 480-490 account level didn't know the exact number

[plucky flax]

So not psyker main huh?

[tacit stump]

my highest class to time is ogryn cause i didn't find a gs

all my classes are around 30 +80 to 30 +95

[unreal wasp]

Deflector also nice if you want to eat gunner fire to get charge for your Shriek

Thought it's wacky how much fire you can eat if you have Deflector IV and ER

[strong gulch]

Makes me scared and want to stack stam + deflector + KD.

[pine hearth]

does shriek kills charge the fgs?

do shriek*

[unreal wasp]

Nope, sadly they don't, at least not for me

Have to actually get the kill with the sword

[plucky flax]

Yeah need at least 1 bubble in the team.

I was lone psyker so I was forced to use it.

Support psyker btw.

[split lance]

beloved

[tacit stump]

i like bubble with assail

[plucky flax]

I CAN SUPPORT

[strong gulch]

unlucky for some use case??

[summer prairie]

smite bubble soon

[strong gulch]

oh no that would be funny

[spice flame]

I may have to switch to bubble soon

[nocturne dust]

BUBBLE METAAAAAAAAAAA

[wind spruce]

You just have to damage them with the sword within 1s of it dying

[nocturne dust]

https://tenor.com/view/seal-sea-lion-explode-explosion-scream-gif-25321526

[summer prairie]

looks like it's just a flat reduction like the guide said, no idea how taking ammo from crates works anyway

[nocturne dust]

You merely adopted the bubble. I was born in it. Molded by it. I didn't feel the touch of a bullet until I was already dead, and by then it was nothing but wasted ammunition

[strong gulch]

train build

[nocturne dust]

...now I need to make chaos elmo inside a bubble

[summer prairie]

havoc has positive modifiers too but I guess they aren't used

[plucky flax]

https://tenor.com/view/bloodborne-ludwig-my-true-mentor-my-guiding-moonlight-moonlight-gif-20321022

[split lance]

do u not inv me to play

bc you hate me

[plucky flax]

I played 2 rounds cos I woke up early.

Gonna do a jog now

@summer prairie when are you back today for lvl 25?

[summer prairie]

I was already back, I've today and tomorrow off. Got a short appointment in afternoon

[plucky flax]

Hrm okay I'll be back in a couple hours gonna do some exercise.

[summer prairie]

in a bit over 2 hours

[wind spruce]

Bc ur bad

... at being muscular

[split lance]

true

im fat a

af

[nocturne dust]

hm, maybe more transparency?

[plucky flax]

Ye

[spice flame]

Give elmo a psyker visor

[steep kindle]

speaking of bubbles

uh

dont

[nocturne dust]

I tried even lower transparency but it was kinda bad

cuz you couldn't see bubble

[steep kindle]

think my bubble is supposed to look like a disco right now

its like a giant oil spill went ontop of the bubble LOL

[nocturne dust]

That requires more artistic skill than I have. And photoshop.

[spice flame]

rainbow bubble mentionned 🗣️

[fiery stratus]

dirty bubble lookin ass

[nocturne dust]

totally normal shader things

[fiery stratus]

https://tenor.com/view/the-dirty-bubble-dirty-bubble-spongebob-pop-bubble-gif-12314176431343551508

[steep kindle]

anybody else been getting that?>

[spice flame]

[summer prairie]

the beam actually has infinite cleave but a pretty drastic damage falloff

[nocturne dust]

which is dumb

[summer prairie]

at least it goes through walls

[nocturne dust]

let my ranged attack be a ranged attack

[spice flame]

really ? uh

[summer prairie]

it's like shriek yeah

[spice flame]

neat

[nocturne dust]

yeh, you can use it to stagger hounds

...if you can aim

[plucky flax]

Havoc 40 at silo cluster. No team can move pass the start.

[nocturne dust]

[quartz barn]

Im still on 19 because the game broke

[nocturne dust]

isn't there a penance for havoc 35 with nobody going down

[summer prairie]

I think it even has the same range as shriek

[spice flame]

Yes

pain

[quartz barn]

Literally waiting for the end door to open, everyone dcs to unknown error

[nocturne dust]

I'm never getting that

[spice flame]

NOPE

I'll stick with my ASS bye

[nocturne dust]

It just sounds unfun to get

[plucky flax]

Sounds like a job for onlysmite.

[nocturne dust]

As said, unfun.

[plucky flax]

But at 35 the quell speed

[nocturne dust]

they nerf quell speed?

[summer prairie]

at highest havocs it should be -85%

however that's calculated

[nocturne dust]

they better reduce ammo by 85%

[summer prairie]

they do

pickups

[nocturne dust]

Yeah this sounds supremely unfun

[spice veldt]

i'm assuming that it's quell tick interval * 1.85x?

[nocturne dust]

and like a mode I don't want to play

[quartz barn]

I guess run gs with deflector and bubble?

[summer prairie]

I wasn't paying attention, seemed more like how much you quell per tick, maybe I'll look

It's the same modifier as Solidity, I guess interval then

[dull gyro]

so uhhhh melee psyker's only toughness sources are Disrupt Destiny, Soulstealer and Quietude?

[nocturne dust]

mettle

[dull gyro]

holup let me find it

[nocturne dust]

but meleeker typically takes assail as a source of toughness. You weave in assails while fighting in melee. It works.

[muted grove]

im new, is asail still the bees knees for leveling psyker? and in general?

[dull gyro]

how does assail generate toughness tho? I dont see anything in its description

[plucky flax]

From soulstealer

[nocturne dust]

yes

[dull gyro]

ahhhhhhhhh

[nocturne dust]

soulstealer

and quietude really

and mettle

works will all the toughness generators at the top

[muted grove]

do we have anywhere i can find a good leveling asail build? im not confident in theorycrafting my own yet lol

and i know youtube videos can become outdated too

[plucky flax]

If you pro assail weaver you always at max peril tho and doesn't really quell during melee to take advantage of quietude

[spice flame]

If you're leveling don't sweat about it too much

[plucky flax]

Ye just vibe until 30

Then try things at damnation to see what you like. Level up mastery there. Then experience yourself first

[spice flame]

Yes yes

[muted grove]

nice! thank you! my friend keeps telling me to learn to use a dueling sword and dodge, im pretty bad at it right now and apparently you can crouch to slide which im even worse at, is there a rule of thumb for these kinds of movement strategies i should be focusing on?

or like a list of things like that i should keep in mind and practice as i level up

[spice flame]

It's very true that doding/blocking is the name of the game

But yeah, it'll come by practicing naturally

[steep kindle]

^ quite right, especially for pskyer though

id say Pskyer is honestly a pretty varried class in terms of builds, so feel free to kind of test out and try whatever

[fiery stratus]

For dodge sliding you want to hit the crouch/slide immediately after the dodge key, kind of in sequence. Think of it like hitting piano keys at slightly different times

[muted grove]

is it just blocking and dodging? any other tricks i should try to incorporate?

[spice flame]

Don't try fancy stuff like slide doding at first tho

[steep kindle]

^^

[spice flame]

Master the regular dodge and block

[steep kindle]

for now just learning dodging blocking, etc, etc

[spice veldt]

a critical thing to do is to split your dodge and jump actions into different keys

[restive slate]

Dodgetide

[muted grove]

whew okay sounds like a plan because my brain takes way too long to do it in the moment

[steep kindle]

more important than the other tricks rn

[fiery stratus]

Honestly the best thing you can do is just start learning the enemy patterns and timing, and being able to dodge those

[spice veldt]

because the default behavior of their combined keybinds means that you will jump whenever your dodge is on cooldown, punishing you rather hard

[fiery stratus]

A lot of them are very simple and end up coming at you in a straight line a lot of times

[spice flame]

if you're on PC that is

But yes

[muted grove]

ah you guys are awesome! thank you for answering my many questions

[spice flame]

Long story short, learn how to walk before running !

[summer prairie]

you lose one essence per 8.5s, so you have 8.5 seconds to do the max charge attack

[plucky flax]

Hrm yhere should be some youtube tutorials of movements

[spice flame]

dodge/block when you hear the woosh sound for example, that kind of stuff

[plucky flax]

I think telepot has one

[restive slate]

Iirc the advanced training has dodging lessons too?

[muted grove]

so you wnat to block even when using a dueling sword?

[fresh dune]

heres my drip rn, i kidna like it a lot

[spice veldt]

oh the behavior is different on controller?

[spice flame]

Dodge is better on DS cause low stamina and good dodges

but blocking attacks from behind is crucial

[fiery stratus]

You should block anytime you're potentially going to take damage. But blocking overall isn't incredibly important, mostly when you have things around/behind

[restive slate]

Always a safe habit to block when not attacking

[fiery stratus]

Dodging is generally much better though

[spice flame]

(because yes, you can block attacks from behind even when you're not looking at the enemy)

(the game is a very bad teacher at first)

[fresh dune]

is melee psyker with seers good with the fgs?

[plucky flax]

Me blocking bullets but I don't have deflector

[fresh dune]

kinda wanna try

[fiery stratus]

Yeah, when you block and push enemies its actually 360 degrees around your character

[spice flame]

ded

[plucky flax]

[summer prairie]

but it's actually only 20 essence for max charge

[spice flame]

[spice flame]

... I ... Guess..

I mean, can you change your controls on console ?

[spice veldt]

ohhhhhhhhh

[plucky flax]

Can't wait to see full console players team clearing havoc 40

[fiery stratus]

2 years from now?

[muted grove]

is console at disadvantage? im PC but use a controller haha

[spice flame]

Well

[fiery stratus]

Well console isnt the disadvantage lol

[spice flame]

It's a whole discussion tbh

[plucky flax]

I dunno how the auto aim is in this game?

[spice flame]

some ppl are really really good on controller

[plucky flax]

If its headshot galore might be good

[fiery stratus]

This game isn't made for a controller, being able to dodge and direct your melee is incredibly hard on controller.

[spice flame]

but I'd argue that you're more fast and can adapt a lot more with M&K

[potent echo]

It actually is easier

[spice flame]

and I bet the auto aim for very far enemies is useless

[fiery stratus]

No its not

[restive slate]

There's autoaim??

[spice flame]

Does that work for like, snipers from accross the map like before the end event at carnival ? genuine question

[fiery stratus]

The advantage that controller has is aim assist, but that means nothing because the hitboxes are massive

[weak galleon]

Finesse dmg from Precognition affects Assail, right? Since it's all headshots.

[fiery stratus]

Being able to spin your camera around while dodging and sliding becomes invaluable later, and thats hard on controller even if its rebound to paddles

[spice flame]

Quick looking behind you when you're burning the world in front

[rotund fable]

Yes

[fiery stratus]

You need to be able to turn around fast af sometimes, and be able to flip your camera on a pivot

[spice flame]

beucause you're litteraly never safe

[fiery stratus]

Not to mention how much harder it is to hit heads with melee, which is what the games primary focus is

Even if you use guns for every elite, you still need melee to clear generally

I guess psyker you can braindead the staves

[muted grove]

if im using asail, when do i ever need to use a staff or gun when leveling up?

[summer prairie]

At beam charge level 0 damage falloff starts at 8 and ends at 16. I think you do 10% damage from 16 to 30 meters. At max charge the distances are 12 and 20.

[spice flame]

That's probably why I like Dt so much. I'm focusing so much on it when playing, it's like 100% flow state

[rotund fable]

90% of the time i die as a psyker, it's because a random poxwalker got behind and slapped me in the back while I was distracted with nuking the horde that's in the other direction.

[fiery stratus]

Theres not enough stuff at the lower levels, you can just rely on assail. But later on theres plenty of specials that will eat through your assail and you'll need a staff or gun for them.

[spice flame]

that or 80 fucking silent crushers

[rotund fable]

the other 10% is "oh that's a crusher that came around the corner while my dodge is on cooldown"

[spice flame]

lol

Precisely

[fiery stratus]

thats why you only dodge when you need to

Dodge sliding gives a lot of distance too, so you don't have to use multiple to get out of fire ect

[spice flame]

me with -5/4 seeing the overhead

[fiery stratus]

I don't even use a dodge counter anymore, if you use them sparingly you generally dont have a problem

Also spacing and pacing with enemies, if you have good spacing you generally have plenty of time for the 1/4 of a second to reset the dodges

[spice flame]

me when I just stagger the crusher with DS special attack

[fiery stratus]

See thats a crutch

Sure it works but its not helping muscle memory

[spice flame]

I mostly dodge tho dw

[dull gyro]

wat if... greatsword soulblaze melee build?!

[rotund fable]

Congrats, you staggered the first one... but there were 3 of them stacked on top of eachother... and their attacks were in perfect sync

[spice flame]

I only use the special attack after H1

[dull gyro]

theres a blessing for GS + talents like

[fiery stratus]

yeah im sure plenty of people have done that so far

[spice flame]

I never rely on the stagger from DS

It's just a neat bonus

[spice flame]

[fiery stratus]

If you're using ds you should be playing skiddish and leaving plenty of space between you and shit like crushers

[spice flame]

Yep

H1 -> Dodge rince an repeat

[pine hearth]

is there anywhere to buy curios?

[spice flame]

Grunt and melk

[pine hearth]

I mean like a base one

green or w/e

[spice flame]

I

what.

[fiery stratus]

Only melk

[nocturne dust]

Crutch was working pretty well today

[fiery stratus]

You can buy rng blanks from melks store, otherwise you have to get them out of brunt or melks normal shop

melk has a section where you can roll things

[plucky flax]

You better grab all the crutches you can carry in havoc

[fiery stratus]

Oh yeah, i never said it didn't work

it works too well, thats why its a crutch

[exotic merlin]

anyone got a melee focused GS scrier smite build

[nocturne dust]

It's not really a crutch if you can't play better without it

[exotic merlin]

for auric

[plucky flax]

Smite and big sword?

[exotic merlin]

yurr

with scry

[fiery stratus]

I meaan

Kinda is

[plucky flax]

I guess just go ep smite creeping flames

[exotic merlin]

it soumds very op

[plucky flax]

Oh smite and gazer

I dunno that build

[fiery stratus]

I don't care what people use, I use it sometimes. But i'm not gonna not call it what it is.

[spice flame]

Smite gazer EP ?

[rotund fable]

Today I was told by a zealot main that my DS4 having Agile was "a waste of a blessing slot"... the other blessing on it is uncanny...

[summer prairie]

the damage potential is there but it's very hard to use imo https://streamable.com/fcy94f

[nocturne dust]

Talents are a crutch

Just don't use them

[potent echo]

So true bestie

[spice flame]

Agile on Psyker is not good

[fiery stratus]

strawman argument

[spice flame]

ont vet, yeah

I will die on that hill

[nocturne dust]

No, just comparing your argument to a similar, absurdist example.

[plucky flax]

If you need it tho just keep using it. No harm done

[cosmic sigil]

do we have a build for fgs or is it still the same scryer dd?

[potent echo]

They both have the same dodge refill timer though

[cosmic sigil]

you playing agent?

[potent echo]

So 🤷‍♂️

[plucky flax]

No about to go jog

[cosmic sigil]

pog

[fiery stratus]

Saying the most broken weapon in the game is a crutch isn't a ridiculous argument. It 1 shots crushers, barely exposing yourself, also staggers anything that isn't a monster. Not to mention does 30k damage on zealot with the charge on monsters.

Has insane reach, 5 dodges, crazy mobility

[exotic merlin]

anyone got any build pics to share for the big sword i'm trying diff things but cc sounds the best with how squishy psyker is but i'm still new to the game so idk tbh

[rotund fable]

I have it on the sword because I tend to find myself in situations where my whole team is down and I need to play dance-dance revolution to get to them and get them up.

[fiery stratus]

its a crutch of a weapon, its the new knife but better in every single way

[cosmic sigil]

knife zoomier

[spice flame]

knife funnier

[fiery stratus]

DS4 can literally do more damage than the hammer to a monster with a crit on weakspot

[plucky flax]

Knife is more rat

[fiery stratus]

and its infinitely faster and more agile

[summer prairie]

I guess the variable ammo crate stuff is new and unrelated to havoc ?

[raven mountain]

Agile is fantastic mostly -because- DS4 is so strong. I'm mostly on my staff, but if I'm swapping to my melee, then it's time to dance.

[potent echo]

Once you know how to play DS4 it's just the best melee you can bring if you have a flamer

[summer prairie]

or wait is that just the havoc change

[fiery stratus]

knife is basically irrelevant now, still good but nobody talks about it anymore

[potent echo]

It can even hack it in hordes if you have space

[fiery stratus]

DS4 is the new broken thing

[rotund fable]

I kinda miss when DS was psyker exclusive...

[spice flame]

On purga I'm still using DS cause it's stupid anyway

[fiery stratus]

It was still broken then

[potent echo]

Ds4 is also almost as fast as knife

[cosmic sigil]

relic great swords is less mobile than a ds, does less dmg to a boss and does less horde clear than a hsword 😄

[potent echo]

Both have stamina neutral/positive sprint techs

[spice flame]

relic gs is poopoo

[nocturne dust]

It's only a crutch if you rely on the weapon in a bad way. But that is not necessitated by using the weapon, and anything can be a crutch if a player lets it take hold.

[potent echo]

Relic GS does have better horde clear times and that's about it

[raven mountain]

Knife is better into hordes if you've got the crit for it, and ds4 is better at dealing with armor, even without heavy investment.

[fiery stratus]

Its a crutch because it requires so little effort, and you have to put yourself at such little risk for such high reward

[plucky flax]

Ds4 is better but if you want to be cool you carry big sword

[rotund fable]

Oh I'm not saying it wasnt, I just miss when my friend (who is a zealot main) didn't have access to it on their "crackhead-priest" build.

[spice flame]

real

[nocturne dust]

That doesn't sound like a crutch. If my crutch is a jetpack that shoots lasers, that sounds like a jetpack that shoots lasers in the shape of a crutch, not a crutch.

[fiery stratus]

Nobody cared when it was psyker exclusive because psyker is squishy and difficult to play. Now that its on the laziest classes with the highest crit chances, its stupid. But even on psyker it was OP compared to other weapons.

[nocturne dust]

Sure, it was OP compared to other weapons on Psyker, but Psyker has melee issues

[fiery stratus]

The difference is the DS4 is leagues better than even the other Duelling swords, not to mention the knife. Literally double the stats in every catagory

[tacit stump]

deimos stab

[spice flame]

Psyker is supposed to be a glass cannon

[nocturne dust]

Psyker has a real hard time picking up a general melee weapon and getting any sort of use out of it anywhere near Vet and Zealot

[spice flame]

it works with DS

[potent echo]

It's not the same as a single button press

[fiery stratus]

It was slightly less broken on psyker, but it was also trivializing crushers at the cost of maybe getting an overhead. Which is gonna put anyone down anyway.

[cosmic sigil]

no