psyker-class

[nocturne dust]

[blissful solar]

I have blocked a few people mainly for doing something annoying and never wanting to see them again

[radiant ice]

This is why they removed the damn scoreboard

[heavy valley]

i keep seeing these
truly amazing folks
running an exploit build just sucking the fun out of the game

[radiant ice]

And why it should stay gone officially

[blissful solar]

probably for the best

[flint pawn]

I block two types of people,
The ones that go way out of their way to be a complete jackass
And the sub-level 30s that somehow get into Aurics and Auric Maelstrom when they shouldn't be there

[blissful solar]

at the same time though it'd be quite annoying to have people do chronically terrible and have no way for anyone to tell

[radiant ice]

They get a friend to host it

[clear heath]

real gamers block all the good players to preserve the difficulty

[blissful solar]

I believe in the sub level 30s, they're enterprising and innovative

[flint pawn]

You know what, you're right

There's so many creative ways to lick the floor

[fiery stratus]

Real Darktiders don't even play the game

[analog agate]

Only people who I block (block list is full) are people who bind spot to lmb

[spice veldt]

darktide endgame is discord arguments

[radiant ice]

Imagine blocking someone for not playing how you want them to play

[clear heath]

block anyone who deals damage so you always top the scoreboards

[blissful solar]

it literally is though. makes sense though as metagaming is the highest form of end game consideration stuff

[nocturne dust]

Yeah, imagine blocking someone for dps reasons

[radiant ice]

Neck beard levels of tripping on it

[nocturne dust]

[flint pawn]

Block everyone

[radiant ice]

Yeah xD

[flint pawn]

Just block everyone

And create solo mode

by doing so

[radiant ice]

Like spamming voice, lmb pings, racist remarks and such sure

[spice veldt]

i've blocked pre-patch 13 EK staff psykers since i was melee heavy at the time, but i don't block anymore (and my block list is full anyways)

[fiery stratus]

Real players have a mod that autoblocks all teammates when joining quickplay

[blissful solar]

me, adding the racist ones:

(not really, i don't add anyone)

[radiant ice]

But someone didn’t dps enough is sad. I’ve had players RP and do 0 damage that were better players than meta hunters who don’t understand their copy paste build

[flint pawn]

Racism is okay if they're green

(enhanced)

[radiant ice]

Pacifist book Zealots ftw

[blissful solar]

if they're support build stuff then I probably won't block them

[radiant ice]

It’s still really sad to block someone for their dps

[nocturne dust]

I only block people that are mean.

You people are mean.

[blissful solar]

idk how it's sad like I just don't value their lives

[analog agate]

It’s okay against elves and leaf lovers

[nocturne dust]

[blissful solar]

they don't need to play with me and why should they

[radiant ice]

Shut it spoon ear

[analog agate]

Mushroom!

[lean mural]

found the elf. go hump a mayfly why don't you

[blissful solar]

maybe the real key is to unblock everyone periodically because they'll get better eventually

[lean mural]

this is what happens when my block list is full and i need to add to it "i don't remember why you pissed me off, maybe you got better in the interim"

[nocturne dust]

Block yourself.

[blissful solar]

it is kinda sad to block people for being bad, depending on their circumstance or something. not sad for me, sad for them.

[radiant ice]

The Darktide “unalive yourself” meta

[flint pawn]

Just queued into a match as a psyker with 3 zealot teammates wish me luck

[spice veldt]

https://tenor.com/view/low-tier-god-awesome-mario-twerking-gif-23644561

[nocturne dust]

Block me.

[lean mural]

i don't block for being bad

i block for being so bad it constitutes a social faux pas

[nocturne dust]

Block me now.

[blissful solar]

[lean mural]

https://tenor.com/view/chuckles-im-in-danger-ralph-wiggum-the-simpsons-gif-14149962

[nocturne dust]

I dun wanna play with someone that blocks for dps reasons.

Smh my head.

[radiant ice]

Shaking my smh head even

[blissful solar]

I only block for sub 40% of my damage

and if they're not support.

and I won't block if they died only once or twice cuz you never know

[lean mural]

this is why i'm glad they removed the scoreboard from vanilla tho

[nocturne dust]

Nothing has changed.

[lean mural]

scoreboard sweats were the worst fucking teammates in vermintide 2

[blissful solar]

if they survived the whole game, aren't support then they're asking for it

[nocturne dust]

You could die 30 times in my game and I'd not block you.

[radiant ice]

I just have this image of a neckbeard cracking out a calculator to determine if the Veteran gets blocked

[nocturne dust]

I'd worry about your health tho.

[radiant ice]

https://tenor.com/view/osita-osita-iheme-nigerian-nollywood-calculating-gif-16142281

[hollow current]

knife + stealth is an auto block

[blissful solar]

I probably wouldn't block if they weren't playing on like auric 5

if they communicate positively in any way I also probably won't block because I am a kind soul

[nocturne dust]

You don't lose anything tho

[lean mural]

this is heretical

[nocturne dust]

Like, blocking bad players for being bad at the game is

[blissful solar]

(also me)

[lean mural]

my crackhead stealth knife zealot is a fantastic teammate because i don't run 50 miles ahead and ignore everything

i fucking solve problems

[nocturne dust]

Like, if you're that weird about it just play premades like a snob

[blissful solar]

if only I could

[radiant ice]

The venn diagram of cringe and edge in gamers is a circle

[blissful solar]

but I'd have to meet new people

I wish you could tell how many people have blocked you

[radiant ice]

I’d DM them

https://tenor.com/view/warhammer-40k-techpriest-binaric-screeching-screeching-gif-20192683

[hollow current]

blame the rest of the fanatics and coked out cadians that have the grace and skill of a blind, deaf and senile pug on ice.

[radiant ice]

Honestly invis revive plays make me love invis Vet and Zealots sometimes

[nocturne dust]

I should take stealth knife just to get blocked more

[radiant ice]

Had one today I didn’t even know had invis until they used it to pick me up

[lean mural]

i absolutely do blame them

but a good stealth vet or zealot is so massively useful you owe it to yourself if nobody else to see how they play before they catch a blocc

[unreal wasp]

Invis Psyker but you technically momentarily enter the Warp so it's more like playing Limbo from Warframe when?

[radiant ice]

[unreal wasp]

[radiant ice]

You’d end up like that dog

[lean mural]

if the run is fucked with a bad player running stealth, it is probably fucked regardless.

if they're running stealth it's probably fucked a little earlier than otherwise.

but if the player running stealth is good they could save a run that otherwise would have been fucked.

it's like Pascal's wager for rejects.

[hollow current]

yeah the build is super powerful, im mostly just memeing. but I do absolutely judge the builds in the screen beforehand and it's few and far between they surprise me by being good unless it's a premade.

still..

death to knifers and stealth users

[radiant ice]

Somehow I don’t think entering the warp would be stealthy, even if invisible

[lean mural]

i mean i caught a whole bunch of shit for shittalking the bolter in vet chat just now so you know what imma let you finish

but i'll still be out here praising the emprah with every backstab

[nocturne dust]

[unreal wasp]

Didn't necessarily say it would be

[blissful solar]

all the knives I've ever seen be used, or used myself, seemed so bad in comparison to the dueling sword

[radiant ice]

That’s because everything in the game is bad compared to the duelling sword

[lean mural]

that's because they are, but the knife has fucking fantastic mobility and the ds is overtuned rn so it may catch a nerf

[hollow current]

DS has been over tuned for a year at this point I think.

[radiant ice]

Since we’re blocking for builds like the lmb spam staff sucking fun from the games, gonna have to ban all ds users now

[lean mural]

oh no no no that one is legit

[blissful solar]

oh no.....oh dear...

[lean mural]

especially with a quell macro

fuck that noise

black ships

feed 'em to the throne

[radiant ice]

I really dislike the build normally, and have no desire to set up a macro

But honestly I think it’s hilarious a screaming Psyker with a laser beam doing fuck all damage and blowing themself up

[lean mural]

it's the same energy as guys who knife-dash when there is zero fucking reason to do it

[radiant ice]

I think we should stick them all in a big PvP arena

[lean mural]

it's virtue tryhard signaling

[nocturne dust]

I mean without the macro it's not that weird or strong of a build

Just don't use it without FullAuto

https://tenor.com/view/uncanny-emoji-angry-hakayaki-hakayaki-angry-emoji-gif-13101565263917230073

[radiant ice]

I could never go back to no fullauto

Literally the only truly mandatory mod imo

[lean mural]

that is also heretical but in a way that makes me want to proselytize about the virtues of weapons that don't make you give yourself carpal tunnel

if you want to hold LMB, run a machine gun lmfao.

[radiant ice]

Ever since playing Dark and Darker and getting the vibe for being able to hold left click for melee attack combos

I can’t go back to click click click click in any game

[lean mural]

oh yuck

[nocturne dust]

No

If the gun requires I just spam lmb, I will hold it

[lean mural]

i'm sorry i can't fuck with that

i respect it as an option but i like feeling like i am actually performing the combo too much

[nocturne dust]

[radiant ice]

Exactly, full auto is an option

[nocturne dust]

laspistol ain't a combo

It's just click click click

[hollow current]

las pistol needs deadly accurate.

[radiant ice]

You can have it enabled and left click spam if you like

[hollow current]

PLS

[lean mural]

no i mean in dark & darker.

in this game it's heretical.

[radiant ice]

I just meant it made me realise I don’t need finger pain from gaming

Accessibility options are nice

Quell macro is cheating

[unreal wasp]

Gotta build up dem dere fingers

[lean mural]

accessibility is nice, yes. that is very much not what i think of when i hear someone's using full-auto to spam lmb staff shots.

[unreal wasp]

That or stop pressing so hard

[radiant ice]

I’m missing part of mine from an accident, would if I could trust me

[lean mural]

that's important context lmao

you get special dispensation i'll talk to the preachers

[spice veldt]

yeah, they really should just make most guns auto-firing and call it a day
Mk4 infantry lasgun is prob the big one to me

[radiant ice]

I skinned my hand and lost parts of me fingee’s to an electric planer

[nocturne dust]

Laspistol should be autofire

[spice veldt]

ah right laspistols

[nocturne dust]

You doubletap so many things with it anyway

[hollow current]

MK IV las rifle is gross.

[lean mural]

if laspistol, why not bolt pistol?

and bolt pistol should not be autofire.

[unreal wasp]

Oof

[hollow current]

yucky

[nocturne dust]

Because laspistol can fire so rapidly I literally cannot fire once if FullAuto is on

[spice veldt]

i don't see a problem with bolt pistol being auto-fire or not auto-fire so it's whatevs

[hollow current]

las pistol use to be able to fire even faster

shame they patched that out forever ago

[nocturne dust]

I don't see a problem either

[spice veldt]

just that making most things besides charge weapons auto-fire is a simple rule to adhere to

[lean mural]

y'all mfs need jesus emprah cawl

[radiant ice]

Only need the Omnissiah

[spice veldt]

e.g., it doesn't really matter that the mk12 infan lasgun is auto-fire because you're going to want to manually click anyways given how slow it fires

[gilded viper]

How are the chainaxes on Psyker?

[lean mural]

the accessibility angle is absolutely valid and i agree with it

but if you have fully functioning fingers you need to get over the fact that your physical husk will not let you fire at hyper twitch MLG speeds

[gilded viper]

Looking to try some other melee

[nocturne dust]

Cawl approves of modding

[radiant ice]

They exist, definitely

[nocturne dust]

I mean FullAuto doesn't improve my speeds, just saves my fingers

[spice veldt]

yeah, and it's not good design for a weapon to inherently incentivize players to click at breakneck speeds

[radiant ice]

To be fair, I think pretty much any weapon can be made perfectly fine in this game

[fathom adder]

If they wanted the fire rate capped they should have capped it

[gilded viper]

I'm just looking at anti elite weapons that aren't just deimos or Dueling Sword

[spice veldt]

you might as well just make it automatic at that point
and you run into the dilemma of people macro-iing that weapon

[radiant ice]

Sure some are clear better than others, but if it’s a weapon you like I’m confident you’ll make it work for you

[spice veldt]

so you might as well put people on level ground by just making them auto-fire

[lean mural]

if it doesn't need this to be effective then it doesn't inherently incentivize it. you're confusing that with people who are incentivized to minmax because they are tryhards.

[radiant ice]

I don’t think any weapon is so bad as to be unusable

[lean mural]

and i know they don't need it to be effective.

[spice veldt]

it incentivizes it in the sense that if you click faster, you do more damage

it's a very simple piece of logic

[radiant ice]

I’d say the balance is actually pretty solid in Darktide

[lean mural]

if you can clear auric damnation without giving yourself carpal tunnel, you do not need to max your fire rate by clicking faster

[spice veldt]

sure

[radiant ice]

A few standouts but most weapons are just “Good”

[spice veldt]

but that incentive does exist

[edgy garnet]

Just experienced my first pissy ass psyker. Cried at the end and left before emperors gift as the mission ended.

[spice veldt]

and people do get drawn by that incentive

[lean mural]

i'm not arguing it doesn't exist

i'm saying it's not intrinsic to the weapon with an uncapped firerate

[edgy garnet]

“Hope this vet isn’t playing COD.”
Proceeds to be worst player on the team.

[spice veldt]

and i'm saying that it is

[nocturne dust]

This isn't how carpal tunnel works

[spice veldt]

because it simply follows from the logic of "click faster, do more damage"

[lean mural]

also let's not act like fatshark can do no wrong lmfao

they've made batshit balancing decisions forever

[radiant ice]

Is it cheating to macro the movement path of an entire map and play an on rails shooter as the Vet?

Arcade style with a light gun for bonus points

[nocturne dust]

Fatshark can do no wrong (I'm holding them at gunpoint)

[lean mural]

only if you don't stream yourself doing it so that everyone can rage at you

[patent jacinth]

Yes

It also wouldn't work for most if not all maps

[nocturne dust]

Spawns are random

[radiant ice]

My new Darktide setup

[nocturne dust]

Cheating? 🤔 Idk, I don't think it's effective enough to qualify

[lean mural]

this is how figures of speech work, however

[patent jacinth]

2+ input macro

[radiant ice]

Fine, I’ll get a dance dance revolution dance mat for movement

[nocturne dust]

I mean, I think it's okay, period.

[gilded viper]

So does anyone know the differences between the 2 chainax marks?

[patent jacinth]

No

[nocturne dust]

No injury needed, clicking rapidly like a maniac isn't a skill.

[patent jacinth]

Not a single living being

Nobody knows the difference

go find an oracle or a seer or smth

[indigo plank]

Unironically this was how I played Mccree Cassidy in Overwatch 1

[nocturne dust]

seer

[gilded viper]

Is being useless your only talent?

[lean mural]

[spice veldt]

maybe

[patent jacinth]

Go on a quest to ascertain the differences between the chainaxe marks

[lean mural]

a vision quest

we'll guide you spiritually

[indigo plank]

The revolver would fire if you just held LMB so I’d just flick between each shot. Way easier than trying to aim and click at the right time all the time

[lean mural]

from the discord channel

[radiant ice]

I just googled that, they changed his name what?

I stopped playing OW after a few weeks

Seems like a bad marketing strat

[analog agate]

The guy they named him after did some questionable things

[radiant ice]

It’s Blizzard, who in the office hasn’t?

[analog agate]

Or was just a raging misogynist. Can’t remember

[radiant ice]

Again, see above statement

[analog agate]

I just read the book too. Can’t remember cause it named so many of them lol

[lean mural]

it being the rule rather than the exception isn't a great argument for keeping his name stuck to a product you want people to think well of, lmao

[radiant ice]

Every time I hear a story about Blizzard it’s like a second one of that island

I haven’t played a Blizz game in years cause of that, creeps me tf out

[lean mural]

sorry i read "second one" and my brain just went "mr president a second total fucking creep has done something unmentionable to the female staff at blizzard"

[indigo plank]

I haven’t played a Blizz game in years because they haven’t made a good game for a hot friggen minute

That combined with all of the questionable things that came out

[radiant ice]

A second breastmilk has hit my stomach

[indigo plank]

There are other studios offering FPS games and 20 year old tab targeting MMO’s

[lean mural]

i'm sorry that i laughed at this

[radiant ice]

Blizzard is such a special blend of evil it’s almost fantasy

I’m surprised the company hasn’t been lawsuited into the ground years ago

[lean mural]

i'm not surprised strictly but i am disappointed

[indigo plank]

Blizzard is too big to fail

[radiant ice]

Nothing is too big to slowly bleed out

And that’s been happening to them for a while now

[indigo plank]

They can shovel out absolute slop and their most loyal fans will still pre-order the next Diablo

It’s like Nintendo

Nintendo will never fail

[radiant ice]

I mean they’re about to have their 200 anniversary right?

That is fairly impressive for such a crappy company

Then again it’s only been that way for 15 years or so

185 years of solid running ain’t bad

[indigo plank]

Crappy by the modern gamer’s standards, but they cultivated such a loyal fan base over the last ~40 years that same thing…people will always pre-order the next Pokémon game

[fiery stratus]

The only thing keeping nintendo alive is their IPs

[indigo plank]

Doesn’t matter how much redditors cry online about muh type matchups and competitive play

Nintendo is still gonna sell some sad mf a plushie

(Nintendo plushies are actually remarkably fucking robust for stuffed animals)

[blissful solar]

135

[indigo plank]

My buddy’s girlfriend threw a Gengar at me and that bastard had mass

[fathom adder]

maybe this gen will bring back the magic of 1997 when I was in fourth grade!

[flint pawn]

Well, it most certainly went.

[indigo plank]

I fell off with Pokémon when I couldn’t afford to keep buying new consoles

[radiant ice]

I played one Pokémon game back in the day, was a red see through cart on the GBA

Ruby I think

[indigo plank]

Buddy introduced me to crystal on the GBSP

[radiant ice]

Was utter crap

Nintendo’s highlight is Wii sports

[indigo plank]

He had Pearl on the DS so I’d play Crystal when we hung out together

[radiant ice]

I’ll fight anyone who disagrees

[indigo plank]

I begged for a DS for Christmas and played tf out of Pearl and Plat

[mental grail]

No I am the child in the back with the dunce cap that believes he's truly brilliant.

[indigo plank]

Never got a DSi/3DS/Switch so I never played a Pokémon game after that

[radiant ice]

I still use my Gameboy Advance regularly

[fiery stratus]

i never had much interest in pokemon games, with the prices being how they are now, i wish i did lol

[indigo plank]

The DS has the most impressive battery of anything I’ve ever owned

[radiant ice]

I think it’s like 20 years old now and never needed any sort of repair

[indigo plank]

You can put that bitch in standby

Throw it in the sock drawer

Forget about it for months

[lean mural]

[indigo plank]

Open it up and Drawn To Life is still ready

[lean mural]

amazing

[indigo plank]

Right where you paused

Absolutely insane

Hurricane Irene knocked out power for over 16 days when I was a kid

[flint pawn]

Soulblaze Trauma my beloved

[radiant ice]

Why does your skill tree have dwarfism?

[indigo plank]

The Nintendo DS and my bike kept my sanity intact while I was eating nothing but canned beans and dry cereal

[flint pawn]

mod

[radiant ice]

No Mettle/Perfect Timing?

[flint pawn]

Specifically "Smaller Talent Tree" mod with Psyker talent tree set to scale 0.42

[radiant ice]

No Wildfire?

[flint pawn]

wildfire sucks on soul trauma

mettle and perfect timing

I ran it for a bit

[nocturne dust]

Don't lie

[flint pawn]

but I felt like I preferred the extra toughness from Quietitude and Warp Expenditure

[flint pawn]

you're right. it's meta.

:(

I'm in denial

[radiant ice]

Honestly though, I hated the electro staff at launch until a week ago

Picked it up again with all the new blessings available and the crafting

And think it’s my now favourite

[flint pawn]

also Mettle is bugged with Trauma I'm pretty sure so there's that going against it

[nocturne dust]

Mettle is, yes

PT is still good though

[flint pawn]

yeah

I considered it and ran it for a time

[radiant ice]

I love the feeling of electro Psyker but Smite is meh in Auric other than as quick push down tool

[nocturne dust]

run warp expenditure

[flint pawn]

but I just prefer more durability

[nocturne dust]

[flint pawn]

and on that note the only time I went down that match is because I misread my ult's 8 second cooldown timer as 2 seconds and blew up lmao

[radiant ice]

That Reddit breakdown on Smite today was pretty cool

[radiant ice]

By the Omnissiah, the amount of times I’ve glanced at a work email or text, back to Darktide at a blue cloud like

https://tenor.com/view/thumbs-up-90s-kid-cool-good-gif-3575245

[flint pawn]

lol

[real abyss]

Which staffs you guys/gals prefer?

[flint pawn]

Voidblast

[radiant ice]

All of amazing

[hollow current]

lead staff

[radiant ice]

Voidblast is my OG, Inferno is always stupid fun, Voidstrike with a certain unhinged Sciers build is goblin mode

And despite hating it at launch, the new blessings/crafting (to me as I’ve not used it in like a year) the electrostaff is my new favourite

[hollow current]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1046914150363844779/1204841511347421294/nothing_personnel.nothing_personnel.nothing_personnel.mp4?ex=6749fa19&is=6748a899&hm=cea9da44d32556af1b0227ea1333e244e79eab3606432668aab289f8e1e1c651&

[real abyss]

Which blessings for Voidblast? Dont think Ive tested that yet

[radiant ice]

Oh that’s a biggggg debate

[real abyss]

The charge ones?

[radiant ice]

Warp Nexus pretty much always

[flint pawn]

Depends on what you want to use it for

If you don't want Soulblaze for whatever reason

[radiant ice]

Warp Flurry and the Soulblaze on Crit are both fantastic

Rending on explosion is also pretty great for firing Crushers into space

[flint pawn]

Warp Flurry + either Warp Nexus for damage or Rending Shockwave if you're into that

Warp Nexus and Blazing Spirit for Soulblaze Voidblast

[nocturne dust]

Not really

Fire Trauma is known to be superior to rending trauma

in terms of raw damage, quite easily

[radiant ice]

I mean regardless Trauma is just great

[flint pawn]

We accept all non-LMB staff users in this household

[nocturne dust]

I accept them

[radiant ice]

Trauma is the real beloved

[nocturne dust]

I just accept some more than others

[flint pawn]

😠

[radiant ice]

I like Warp Flurry too much to make the most of Soulblaze trauma

Turn myself into a blue air strike

[real abyss]

That kinda proved it is a big depate

[radiant ice]

Honestly it’s all good on Trauma, just test them all and see what you like

[nocturne dust]

Flurry Trauma actually uses the rending blessing and not nexus iirc

[radiant ice]

At the top end sure skilled players make the most out of Nexus + Soulblaze

[delicate dove]

Soulblaze on voidblast is good? I assumed the crit rate was overall so low it wasn't worth it, but never tried

[flint pawn]

with Warp Nexus

[nocturne dust]

Bro, people argue about everything here 😭

This is a tiny debate

[radiant ice]

But I adore Warp Flurry and Rending on it

It’s just so fun

[real abyss]

Just trying to figure a solid damnation/auric build/staff. Just finishes my spyker and loving it over my old zealot

[radiant ice]

Even if the numbers are a little smaller

[nocturne dust]

All staves good

[flint pawn]

this

[radiant ice]

Yup

[delicate dove]

Guess I'll have to give it a shot

[radiant ice]

Psyker is lucky in that all 4 staves are just fantastic Auric options

[nocturne dust]

more staves when

[flint pawn]

it's gonna want a specific build, try a variant of this

[delicate dove]

And what would it be

[flint pawn]

general idea is there, mess around with some points how you'd like

[radiant ice]

I prefer dumping Warp Resist over Quell personally

[delicate dove]

When you voidblast on self

[flint pawn]

yeah that's fair

I just have quell speed on this one

[real abyss]

Cheers all

[flint pawn]

It works just fine all the same

[wind spruce]

Warp flayer, warp expenditure and essence harvest over warp battery

[radiant ice]

Yeah definitely, as I said I don’t think you can really make Trauma bad

Even if you dump damage and get crappy blessings, it’s still Trauma staff

[flint pawn]

Warp Battery is still perfectly fine I just chose to drop it a moment ago and try it in a match to see how it felt lol

[hollow current]

those scromched talent trees are always funny to look at

[radiant ice]

I like Essence Harvest

[flint pawn]

same

[radiant ice]

For a lot of builds it’s just constant never ending toughness regen

That actually is worthwhile instead of the curio toughness regen that sucks

[flint pawn]

I kinda went along with just using the peril reduction for a long time but now that I've given it a fair shot it feels great

[radiant ice]

Of course, better players just “don’t get hit five head”

But I’m not there yet xD

[lean mural]

i loved the electro staff and i still do but i used to hate voidstrike and fuck me if i haven't done a 180

[flint pawn]

I took essence harvest and dropped battery for another 15 toughness node and mistakes not withstanding I feel just about unkillable lol

[radiant ice]

I feel that, I fully 180’d the electro

Always liked the Voidstrike

Never my absolute favourite, but always great

[lean mural]

heretics are my bowling pins and i am the ball

my voidstrike psyker is a wizard who can cast eldritch smite, magic missile, fireball and shield

[paper atlas]

You just can’t AOE on self when you’re corned?

[radiant ice]

Yeah, I’m at 205hp and 155 to 185 toughness depending on build

With Essence Harvest it’s pretty close to immortality

For a squishy Psyker main anyway

[flint pawn]

if I remember right with how my build is set I have 157 toughness 165 hp

[radiant ice]

As I’ve been informed, 201 hp on a Psyker is a breakpoint to aim for

And it really does make a difference

[flint pawn]

It is for taking 3 bursters in a row

[radiant ice]

All you need is a 21% hp curio with 1 5% hp roll

[flint pawn]

I choose not to run HP just because I don't have that issue but it's perfectly reasonable to run that if you get good use out of it

[delicate dove]

Please tell me silent tox bursters leaping out of doorways is getting patched

[flint pawn]

never

[lean mural]

hasn't it been patched like twice now allegedly

[flint pawn]

allegedly

[delicate dove]

It happened to me like 2 fuckin weeks ago

[flint pawn]

you are going to get bursted through the door and you will like it

[radiant ice]

My squad mate recently flipped to a Vet that causes medpacks to heal corruption

205hp with that is just easy mode

[flint pawn]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1046914150363844779/1294640790383104030/a.mp4?ex=674a5ef1&is=67490d71&hm=86df372b7518e925dc3bab9103e044f38465f0bf097c2e84d508a3b8ab63a302&

[lean mural]

wtf i love bolter now

[delicate dove]

bunch of ragers running through door
Fighting ragers
Silent burster suddenly leaps through and almost kills me
Run away
Step in fire of a barrel teammate shot and die
Alt+F4
lol

[lean mural]

your real mistake was in playing with teammates who have barrel fetishes

[delicate dove]

Ugh, the worst

[buoyant maple]

200 health in general is an important breakpoint

[delicate dove]

"I gotta shoot all the barrels" 🤡🤡🤡🤡

[radiant ice]

That’s me

[radiant ice]

I’m a barrel enjoyer

[delicate dove]

ONLY if your team is miles away

[radiant ice]

My Zealot squad mate has regularly pulled me aside for talks

[flint pawn]

I think preemptively blowing up barrels on some events is reasonable... as long as no one's near them

[delicate dove]

Otherwise, go karking kark yourself

[radiant ice]

I don’t care though

Red make big boom

[lean mural]

honestly

remember when people blamed bad loner zealots on the loner aura existing at all

i feel that that is actually a valid criticism of barrels

they have fucking never been effective and now there's a penance for killing fucking two thousand five hundred enemies with them/

what the fuck, fatshark

[buoyant maple]

just play the game normally

[delicate dove]

Honestly barrel knock back should probably be reduced, and damage taken when it's shot by a teammate

Reduce the griefing potential

[fiery stratus]

you dont even have to go that far ahead to break coherency, it was pretty easy for me to get tbh

[lean mural]

that's how i expect i'll get it eventually, but people are Trying For It because it exists

[radiant ice]

There is nothing normal about that penance score

Does the sun burn you? Jfc

(I’m jealous)

[lethal lagoon]

Having juggled a single person with multiple barrels in a row....

no.

[lean mural]

i would settle for the ability to fucking tag barrels. the characters already shout when one has been triggered nearby.

[buoyant maple]

u'll get into the habit of using them more and by doing so u understand how to position urself better

it's a pretty ridiculous number tho lol

[fathom adder]

Someone at Fatshark is secretly seething at how many monsters we knocked off cliffs in VT2. That is why barrels (explosions in general really) send us sailing up at such an unnaturally high angle after all

[radiant ice]

In my game earlier the best thing happened and I never clipped it

[lean mural]

i already know more or less how to position myself to not get boned except in the most unlucky or chaotic of cases

and i have most of the penances that require not being barrel-yote into the abyss

i just think it's a batshit design choice

[radiant ice]

Was on the bridge at the start of that map

It’s like a big balcony with a daemonhost 90% of the time

[lean mural]

i will hear no other explanations for this

this is objectively true

[buoyant maple]

it counts red barrels' kills now so it's not so bad
and u don't have to do it to get 5k penance points to claim everything

it used to be only from yellow barrels

[radiant ice]

And a Chaos Spawn grabbed my full hp squadie and slam dunked him through a human size hole in the bridge for an insta kill

[lean mural]

i know, because i have 5k points

[radiant ice]

That’s my Darktide highlight of this year

[lean mural]

it's not my own pain i'm considering here it's largely everyone elses

[lethal lagoon]

If you have 5k points, isn't it likely you wouldn't know?

[broken carbon]

and the one damage dealt by red barrel explosions

[lethal lagoon]

Oh, hello new person.

[lean mural]

i mean i know i don't need the penance because i don't have it

[analog agate]

That makes so much sense now. I was struggling to get 500 kills and now I am at about 2000

[broken carbon]

i’m not new…….

[flint pawn]

we're talking barrels and I had to find the post

https://www.reddit.com/r/DarkTide/comments/1gc1xmn/i_cant_believe_that_worked/

[lethal lagoon]

[delicate dove]

Or... Just change barrel locales? Less barrels near ledges?

[lean mural]

this would require actual work

[lean mural]

fuck me

that's brilliant i have changed my mind about barrels

they can stay as long as every single one enables shit like this

[real abyss]

Which curios you rock with this?

[analog agate]

I tried Agent’s bolt pistol build earlier. Fun and pretty good. Pray you don’t have to clutch against a boss though. Cause boss dmg is baaddd. Lost cause I couldn’t kill a chaos spawn in any where close to a normal amount of time

[lethal lagoon]

This is horrifying.

[flint pawn]

variant

meaning do not use my eldritch horror replica 🙂

[lethal lagoon]

It's like one of those pictures where it's perfect tiles, but two pieces are switched.

[flint pawn]

not gonna lie I forgor 💀 let me log in

I haven't looked at my psyker's curios in forever

[delicate dove]

Is 2 toughness and 1 health the standard?

[nocturne dust]

Yes

[delicate dove]

Mk, that's what I've been using personally

[nocturne dust]

Congratulations, you are standard

[flint pawn]

my psyker is 2 toughness, 1 stamina, all 3 have 5% toughness, 4% ability regen, 15% sprint efficiency

[delicate dove]

Use meta. Use meta. Use meta.

[flint pawn]

I don't know how long I've had it set like this

but frankly I'm too lazy to change it

[fiery stratus]

use 3 wounds for no reason

[nocturne dust]

sprint efficiency

[lean mural]

god i'm sad you didn't clip this that's fucking incredible

[nocturne dust]

You noobs and your strange picks

[flint pawn]

I like having stamina to push with :(

[nocturne dust]

Psyker can push infinitely

because of tiny stamina regen delay

[delicate dove]

Push what? Daisies?

gotem

[flint pawn]

exactly

[nocturne dust]

so guess what

[lean mural]

consider 2x stam regen instead of 3x sprint

[nocturne dust]

sprint efficiency is useless

[flint pawn]

also I just like sprinting longer

[urban sandal]

you don’t need stam regen on psyker either

[flint pawn]

it's helped in clutch times

[nocturne dust]

slide

slide

[delicate dove]

If you like moving fast, use a crit build

Zoom zoom

[lean mural]

you don't need it especially if you're running KD but i like not having to wonder whether i'm going to be able to haul ass if i need to reposition

[nocturne dust]

just... just slide

It's that easy

https://tenor.com/view/spiderman-spiderverse-into-the-spiderverse-spider-noir-spidergwen-gif-26876252

[urban sandal]

+9 stamina curios +2 stamina perk KD build

[lean mural]

i do, sometimes

[nocturne dust]

stack block efficiency???

[delicate dove]

Psyker goes to the gym

[flint pawn]

slide button isn't real

[lean mural]

sliding is for carrying stuff without being an ogryn

[urban sandal]

i gotta try that

[flint pawn]

but yeah I'll probably adjust this lol

[atomic swan]

does stamina affect KD?

[lean mural]

no, KD affects stamina

in that you use way tf less of it

[flint pawn]

I have it on my vet and ogryn so I assume I just instinctively threw it onto my psyker too without looking into it

[urban sandal]

yeah the peril cost is based on stamina % cost

[nocturne dust]

yes

[delicate dove]

Didn't Deflector used to be able to block snipers with enough block efficiency but they nerfed it

[spice veldt]

never

[nocturne dust]

https://tenor.com/view/omw-to-spread-misinformation-all-over-the-internet-gif-26525511

[spice veldt]

that was just a rumour started by some dude

[delicate dove]

mm

[atomic swan]

so its not base on stamina cost but stamina % cost
ic

[nocturne dust]

It should be able to block snipers

[lean mural]

i was going for funi turn of phrase over accuracy but also i'm tired it's very late

[spice veldt]

eh

sniper shots are basically just the overheads of the ranged world

and the cue for snipers is obvious (when it works)

[nocturne dust]

sure, and overheads should be blockable too

[flint pawn]

ugh idk what to replace this perk with

I guess I'll just dump it into HP

[nocturne dust]

If I stack nine billion stamina, overheads should not invalidate that

[flint pawn]

you should've had ten billion instead

[delicate dove]

Obnoxious how parry can block the one shots but not DEFLECTOR

[lean mural]

this is my cue to hit the sacc tbqfh

[flint pawn]

these numbers make me oddly uncomfortable

anyways fuck it, bomber resistance

surely this is new meta

[delicate dove]

The body is frail

[flint pawn]

oh no I'm used to the frailty

this is bulkier than most of my builds

but 157 173 are strange numbers to look at

my autism doesn't know how to feel about it

[delicate dove]

My autism is upset seeing health below 200

[flint pawn]

my autism is upset seeing health below 579

[delicate dove]

constant pain playing Psyker then

[fiery stratus]

imagine even knowing what your health or toughness is on any character

my gauge is am alive or dead

[flint pawn]

you're right

time to turn off health bars

[fiery stratus]

dont need ui at all

[delicate dove]

then let's just turn off the peril. Then The HUD! and why don't we just turn off THE GAME

[fiery stratus]

rough it'

[flint pawn]

You guys need Darktide running to play Darktide? Skill issue

[fiery stratus]

I just make the senario for the game up in my head

[delicate dove]

I've just been running Darktide on Imagination™️ this whole time

[fiery stratus]

so many new people on the mourningstar, and the wide release hasnt even happened yet

[zinc phoenix]

Time to do some malice runs and show them the ropes

[tired estuary]

*the barrels

[bleak maple]

[bleak maple]

Did anyone ever check if bomber resistance was effective against gas bombers?

[spice veldt]

it works yeah

[bleak maple]

Finally I can no longer be gassed to death during a crusher patrol

[hollow current]

https://tenor.com/view/dis-belief-surprised-oh-gif-10085527

[bleak maple]

Curious does bomber resistance affect other things like the pox gas modifier or fire from barrels?

Cause ngl I might actually take a single bomber resis to slow the chip sometimes

[atomic swan]

nah it still rekt your toughness fast
but not like instantly down to 0

[bleak maple]

I mean I'll take one anyways because gas bombers just have that magical timing when something goes wrong

or my team mates are just bad

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[atomic swan]

perhaps not actively enough to find bombers
expecting a few snipers/bombers "after" a wave of disablers because they are slow

[polar crypt]

what's dump stat on electro staff

[nocturne dust]

warp res

[timid grove]

if you take off gunner resistance ur gonna feel it

[modest patrol]

Gun Psykers running Scrier’s Gaze: do you go Disrupt Destiny or Warp Siphon?

I’ve been on DD but might change it up 🤔

[nocturne dust]

DD. Warp Siphon is a very strange pick for Gunker.

Gunker doesn't need the cooldown, Scrier's is up all the time anyway, and losing the damage for a damage buff is... a weird choice.

[timid grove]

yeah gun seems perfectly complimental to DD

"oh, marked person? bang"

[modest patrol]

It felt natural but I don’t like to assume it’s the only way

[atomic swan]

I tried the "no quelling" psyker (SG + WS, just keep looping for Warp unbound)
but i played like melee/assail psyker more than gun psyker
and i think thats the only one reason you run SG+WS rather than SG+DD

[fiery stratus]

theres about 8 builds across all characters in this game

you basically just swap weapons with slight variations

[timid grove]

that doesn't sound very diverse

[nocturne dust]

I mean, we can complain and make funny about the fact a lot of weapons will slot into specific choices but

[polar crypt]

I would say there's at least 12 builds across all characters

if not more

[modest patrol]

I may have to give that combo a try, I want def want to put a more melee-focused build together

[nocturne dust]

I think that does a disservice to the game in a serious context, there are quite a lot of builds and even only looking at meta builds there are some differences on a lot of weapons to make each one function best.

[polar crypt]

ye

[nocturne dust]

Like, yes, there is a flame shriek build that does the funny and is the optimal build on 3 staves that takes largely the same stuff

but Inferno does some choices differently because of the way it works

and while EK and trauma take the same tree, they feel very different to play

[fiery stratus]

theres so many dead or nearly useless nodes on the trees that the builds are normally pretty narrow

why would you take x when y is so much better

[nocturne dust]

I mean, yes, there are quite a few nodes that are pretty bad

like Unlucky for Some

[fiery stratus]

that unfortunately artifically narrows the build variety, unless you want to take something worse than something else for the sake of it

[polar crypt]

psyker has problems lol

other characters however are a bit more flexible

[fiery stratus]

thats every tree though

ehh

[modest patrol]

I have 2 really strong builds on my Psyker atm. My SG gun build (as mentioned), and one that pulls all of the soulblaze nodes to maximize burn with the inferno staff.

[timid grove]

i find psyker is way worse at melee than other classes

[fiery stratus]

ogryn is incredibly narrow

ogryn basically has 2 builds

[polar crypt]

what are you saying

[nocturne dust]

'Zealot has one build' is a very valid complaint that is tossed around a lot in this Discord

[timid grove]

it's probably because of those two damn perks, the invulnerability one

[nocturne dust]

Like, if you want to play Zealot optimally, there is a very clear path to take and nothing else comes close

[fiery stratus]

Why would you take stealth when fury of the faithful is better in every single way except that you're not invisible

[timid grove]

personally i hate it

[polar crypt]

what is the optimal build then

[nocturne dust]

Until Death + Knives

[fiery stratus]

foft, bp

yep

knives

all of the trees could use another rework tbh

to some extend, doesn't need a complete redo

[polar crypt]

I think all of the zealot things are good

you can use them

you don't have to use knives

[nocturne dust]

You can use anything

Sure

[fiery stratus]

you can, but x y and z is better by leagues so why would you

[nocturne dust]

You don't have to use anything

[atomic swan]

TBH i am not recommend
DD provides way more damage than anything else
it only suffers if you dont have a consistent way to keeping the stack up (including not faster than kill stealers)
and melee itself is a good way for stacks

[deep dove]

Hey is the electro staff any good for a melee build

[nocturne dust]

But the complaint is that the meta is shaped entirely to one thing, not that other things can't be used. The game is not yet difficult enough to where you can't complete a mission with infinite skill.

[polar crypt]

well you just mentioned knives right. there are many situations where you probably want stuns over knives because you can lock down a horde and keep them away for a few seconds WHICH sometimes is pretty nice to have

[fiery stratus]

keeping stacks up on disrupt destiny isnt hard at all if you actually kill things. Its really good about marking shit that is literally right infront of you

[nocturne dust]

The normal psyker melee build is "Gunker is Assailker is Meleeker"

[fiery stratus]

Nobody uses stuns, you'll rarely find people using immolations even

[nocturne dust]

Go ask Zealot chat why knives are just better than stuns

[deep dove]

wtf is that

[fiery stratus]

knives can 1shot ragers to the head, and regen, and you have a shitload of them

[spice veldt]

not just the nades but also the pathing nodes above knives

[fiery stratus]

yep

[timid grove]

does dagger get uncanny strike? I remember that having an interaction with throwing knives

[fiery stratus]

all the dodge toughness related shit

crit related

[timid grove]

then you just throw a dagger at a crusher and it either kills it or does major damage

[polar crypt]

yeah okay that is more fair

because unfortunately a lot of stuff is locked into those paths

[spice veldt]

yeah combat blade gets uncanny strike and that interaction with tknives is also still there

[fiery stratus]

knives dont do anything to carapace

ah yeah you can do that

uncanny

[spice veldt]

when the strike is uncanny

[timid grove]

uncanny is such a good perk

[fiery stratus]

but normally they dont do anything to carapace

[timid grove]

well yea

[fiery stratus]

theyre good against flak

1shot flak ragers to the head

maybe 2

[nocturne dust]

Something like this

[modest patrol]

Aaah yes the biggest challenge is others killing the highlights while I’m actively targeting them 😭

[fiery stratus]

thats literally every gun build right there

gun and melee

[nocturne dust]

and assail

[modest patrol]

HA pretty much what I’m running atm

[nocturne dust]

Gunker is Assailker is Meleeker

and it's dumb

Left side meleeker when

[fiery stratus]

the problem is you're shooting yourself in the foot by not pathing certain ways

[deep dove]

ok but i wanted to know if the electro staff is good for melee builds (im talking about the staff not smite)

[fiery stratus]

You can use your melee with it, but if you're using surge thats probably your primary weapon

[nocturne dust]

Yes. I'm saying Gunker is Assailker is Meleeker. The normal thing to do is take a gun, not EK.

EK isn't a terrible choice, but it's not really that great.

It's just a worse revolver without a proper staff build.

[deep dove]

ok also what melees should i use for the build as alot of it seems to centre around warp damage even tho you are using a gun

[fiery stratus]

0-100 real quick

[nocturne dust]

Uh, the only warp damage buff is perfect timing in that build

which is for assail, which you will be swapping to a lot as a meleeker/gunker/assailker

Illisi with slaughterer and uncanny is the usual pick for meleeker

[fiery stratus]

you can save a lot of ammo if you use assail frequently

[nocturne dust]

Force GS is coming tho

Maybe good replacement?

[deep dove]

but like what is the meta melee option

[nocturne dust]

Illisi

As I just said

[deep dove]

what is the illisi

[nocturne dust]

It's whatever normally, but the damage buffs make it good

because it has a weird cleave distribution

[plucky flax]

Ds4 or knife or deimos. Something to deal with crusher

[nocturne dust]

Force Sword

[deep dove]

which mark should i use

[nocturne dust]

Other weapons include, as Agent said, Deimos, DS4, and knife

[nocturne dust]

Illisi

[wise mural]

deimos stan

[nocturne dust]

Illisi is the mark

Deimos is neat

[pine relic]

Meleeker is not gonna work.

[plucky flax]

Illisi is really bad against crusher even with uncanny. You can just ignore them I guess

[nocturne dust]

it's not that bad

in fact it's quite sufficient

[pine relic]

I can ignore the damage part,but psyker is too squishy for melee.

[nocturne dust]

It's just not stupid OP ds4

[plucky flax]

For you maybe. Not for me

[modest patrol]

When I run staff I take Illisi

But I also prefer inferno of the staves

[timid grove]

i don't think it's squishiness, i notice that i barely get any toughness for melee kills on psyker

[modest patrol]

And that stagger is it

[plucky flax]

If I have to kill 5 crushers with illisi I'd just surrender

[nocturne dust]

I mean, yes, I think to be good at Psyker melee you have to be more practiced at it than on any other class

[nocturne dust]

Just...just stab em in the head

[pine relic]

Welcome to zealot's world.

[fiery stratus]

gotta be better and not get hit

[timid grove]

? wdym

[fiery stratus]

zealots big crutch mode with all the regen on movement shit

[plucky flax]

Illisi is so redundant too when you're spamming assails

The horde clear from that sword is unneeded

[pine relic]

Besides the abilities, Zealot has only one passive that can generate toughness.

[nocturne dust]

It really isn't.

Assails are great and all, but they really can't do auric horde clear all by their lonesome.

[fiery stratus]

i still havent used anything other than ds4 and 5

[plucky flax]

I don't struggle with horde clear when I have assails

[nocturne dust]

Because you use Shriek mfer

[plucky flax]

On ds4 or knife

[nocturne dust]

[pine relic]

And you have no advantage for doing so, your melee damage won't surpass the zealot.

[plucky flax]

Okay with deimos recon 12 build I use gazer

[summer prairie]

it's assail+shriek

[nocturne dust]

I say melee psyker should be speedy instead of more damage or more toughness

[fiery stratus]

no shriek, scriers big stinky damage

[nocturne dust]

Deimos and Recon are both pretty decent at horde clear

🤷‍♂️

[plucky flax]

Then you don't need illisi

[nocturne dust]

I mean you don't need anything

[plucky flax]

And I don't shoot horde with recon wtf

Don't waste ammo like vet

[timid grove]

my point is i feel like psyker gets way less toughness on kills than any other class, but maybe im imagining things

[verbal thistle]

surely the gun with no cleave is good for hordclear

[nocturne dust]

I use recon exclusively on horde

[unreal wasp]

Probably why I like playing Psyker melee is because I spent so much time doing Ogryn

[nocturne dust]

No need to kill specials with recon

That's wat assail is for

[pine relic]

In the end it's about killing specials fast, that remain the highest priority for any high diff runs, melee psykers will never be worth it.

[plucky flax]

You play it backwards but okay

[nocturne dust]

I'm joking 😭

[plucky flax]

[pine relic]

All classes except for vet generate little toughness just from kills.

[nocturne dust]

Psyker generates tons from warp kills.

[plucky flax]

Yes I horde clear with bistol. Proximity explosion or something

[nocturne dust]

They just can't easily do warp kills in melee a ton 😭

[unreal wasp]

Can but not if you don't run a specific sword

[verbal thistle]

need to try that, does lethal prox do anything on psyker's kit?

trying to think

[nocturne dust]

I use autoshredder to no-clear

[pine relic]

Yeah, that's the talent,we are talking about, base toughness generated from kills.

[plucky flax]

I don't think so

[nocturne dust]

Which is why Illisi is the common pick for meleeker

[unreal wasp]

Which is why I'm excited for Force GS personally

More options

[pine relic]

Zealot has the worst toughness regen of all four classes.

[summer prairie]

lethal prox increases peril explosion from 10m to 12.5m

[nocturne dust]

Because Illisi actually feeds into Psyker's toughness regen and talents

unlike Deimos

and unlike DS4 or knife

[plucky flax]

Play your illisi in melee scab only

[nocturne dust]

Really, really bad decision to not have general psyker melee talents to easily interact with peril on any melee weapon

[nocturne dust]

I have.

I used vraks as well.

Just stab em with the pointy end.

[plucky flax]

I'd play deimos recon 12 build and we'll see who can kill crushers more xd

[nocturne dust]

I mean

oh no you can kill crushers more efficiently, woe is me

brings scrier's voidstrike

[plucky flax]

Uncanny illisi against crusher is as bad as penetrating flame burga on them

[unreal wasp]

Really just feel like Psyker needs more force weapons whose specials don't lock you onto a single target and Psyker could be way better in melee, Force GS my possibly, soon-to-be beloved

[nocturne dust]

It is not that bad

[spice veldt]

yeah, some more melee esque talents would be nice

[nocturne dust]

How about we just fix their talents so they aren't limited to specific choices just to have talent synergy... plz?

[spice veldt]

give psyker its own toughness talent that goes against the "typical" playstyle of the class. e.g., such as zealot's voice of terra (toughness on ranged kills), except that it would be non-warp kills in this case

[nocturne dust]

Soulkeeper

[spice veldt]

when the soul is kept

[unreal wasp]

Feel like one of those was Mettle until they killed it

[spice veldt]

mettle is still fine and deserved it anyways

still needs to get kneecapped again by getting the IoD treatment so that automatics don't disproportionately benefit from it

[atomic swan]

mettle is fine on gun psyker

[nocturne dust]

Please unkneecap it

[unreal wasp]

Kneecap it for automatics but lets it proc toughness regen on a higher limit than ONE

[nocturne dust]

It's 3 hits with uncanny illisi in scrier's.

[unreal wasp]

Hitting many poxwalkers with one melee crit and only getting the toughness from one sucks

[spice veldt]

though that's fine since it's a non-kill method for toughness regen

besides, there's another source of toughness regen if there are many trash enemies around

[unreal wasp]

Change it to crit kills

Well yea, but we're talking about like, non-warp toughness regen for Psyker

[spice veldt]

sure

but i also don't want to load too much power into a single talent just for non-warp\

because keep in mind that mettle also works on warp weapons

[unreal wasp]

And that's why I liked it on Illisi

Get toughness back from the special heavy, get toughness back from the combo'd regular crit heavy

[timid grove]

i guess i dont notice it because zealot is a lawnmower

no need to regenerate if everything's dead

[spice veldt]

elliot has been a zealot main doomer as far as i've known him so you won't convince him at all

[timid grove]

bad at the game? or what

[spice veldt]

a variety of reasons it seems

[plucky flax]

Play loner aura for free toughness regen

[fiery stratus]

love knife people who run into the shit, die, then instantly leave

[plucky flax]

Or gigachad knife guys solo clutching

[fiery stratus]

not many randoms doing that

[plucky flax]

[timid grove]

i joined a lobby to help me get a penance once and this shirtless knife zealot basically speedran the mission for us

bro solved darktide

[nocturne dust]

I had a random clutch so hard with knife on that bridge map when it was just us two 😭 He did it for like 30 minutes but nobody else ever joined and we just couldn't do it by ourselves

I hadn't expected an improptu duo so I was faffing about on Zealot

[verbal thistle]

when was this?

[nocturne dust]

It was also veggie monster specials

[timid grove]

Why

[verbal thistle]

the list of people who have naked is few

[timid grove]

I've said too,much

They were a very helpful person and definitely not a criminal

[verbal thistle]

if it was before crafting update, probably was me

[timid grove]

[nocturne dust]

Surely there were other naked men running around hopped up on drugs even before UnL.

[verbal thistle]

yes

[pine relic]

You don't do heavy back line diving, so you probably don't understand. I only feel better by playing zealot after the several buffs for the bolter.

[nocturne dust]

I mean, Zealot doesn't need toughness regen persay, they can stack mad TDR, get Until Death, and have quite a few good nodes for HP% reduction too

[timid grove]

Until Death is BORING

Assuming that's the invincibility perk

[nocturne dust]

FotF and that dodge node is often all that is needed

[nocturne dust]

yes

[timid grove]

[nocturne dust]

I mean I quite like the feeling of "Well you are about to die, but you have a few seconds to go balls to the walls and you might live if you do enough damage"

of course, the damage needed is quite low for full regen

even if the regen is capped

[lethal lagoon]

As if your balls can reach the wall

[pine relic]

You don't have high toughness nor toughness regen like the vet or psyker. I'm pretty sure with 80% toughness damage reduction, your toughness can be broken with a few shots from shooters, if you have 130 toughness.

[lethal lagoon]

https://tenor.com/view/kimmy-schmitd-stretchy-sticky-hand-unbreakable-kimmy-drewisme-throw-gif-17765932

[timid grove]

It's just gigabroken

[nocturne dust]

Depends how close to the wall I am... y'know. Physics.

[lethal lagoon]

[nocturne dust]

....no

You are wrong there.

[pine relic]

Sure.

[lethal lagoon]

[pine relic]

If that's your argument, I'm gonna stop right here.

[nocturne dust]

Eh, it fits zealot's niche and is a unique selling point of the class. It's not really that broken.

[lethal lagoon]

Zealot toughness is very strong,
"here"

zealot toughness is not very strong.

[timid grove]

I want you to look at the other perks that lead to the enhanced auras, then look back at the invuln one again

[nocturne dust]

Psykinetics.

[lethal lagoon]

[timid grove]

Idk what that is

[lethal lagoon]

[timid grove]

[plucky flax]

[lethal lagoon]

[timid grove]

[nocturne dust]

https://tenor.com/view/anya-anya-forger-anime-anya-forger-anya-burp-anya-sigh-gif-27052792

[lethal lagoon]

[timid grove]

Psykers my least knowledgeable class lol

[lethal lagoon]

https://tenor.com/view/pepe-typing-pepe-angry-pepe-cry-pepe-crying-gif-2532592051986810143

[timid grove]

I forget why I'm talking here

[lethal lagoon]

https://tenor.com/view/pepe-pepe-the-frog-clown-clown-pepe-walking-gif-16707164

[nocturne dust]

Psykinetics is Psyker's CD on kill perk

[lethal lagoon]

CD on elite kill, smh

https://tenor.com/view/klasik-clasik-clasic-gif-25398314

[nocturne dust]

Why many word when few work

[timid grove]

Pretty good

[nocturne dust]

Also, Ogryn gets Batter ahead of their auras

which is the bleed perk that then synergizes with Delight in Destruction

Also, funnily enough, Zealot has a couple other really strong talents before auras

Like shield of contempt and duelist

and Vet gets Demolition Stockpile (grenade regen)

and of course, on Psyker you also have wildfire and malefic momentum which aren't bad talents at all, especially after Malefic's buff.

and let's be real: if Zealot didn't have that hp regen which costs a 2nd talent point, until death would be a whole lot more... to taste.

[timid grove]

I feel like I rarely see vets take this, the grenade talents can be so valuable for the team

[nocturne dust]

Wtf u mean

[timid grove]

Also yeah the ogryn bleeding heavies are taken in most builds

[timid grove]

The people I'm playing with anyways

[nocturne dust]

I don't think I've seen a vet on auric that doesn't have Demo Stockpile

[timid grove]

Oh well I don't regularly play auric yet

I do t4-t5

[nocturne dust]

Oh, well

Wait, why are you talking about something being broken then

[timid grove]

Because I guarantee you most zealot builds will take the invuln

It's just too valuable

[nocturne dust]

I mean, yes

[timid grove]

I consider it a boring crutch

[nocturne dust]

Just like most Psyker builds have perfect timing

[atomic swan]

no
its just other talents are shit

[nocturne dust]

or psykinetics

Yeah I mean

what else is good

The impact talent?

[timid grove]

Ugh

You make a good point

Useless on half of weapons

[atomic swan]

i mean i can go something like this

[timid grove]

Still, I like running the cleanse aura anyways on one of my builds

[atomic swan]

but never this

[timid grove]

Again I rarely see zealots run it in my games

[nocturne dust]

Like, the reason zealot wants to go over there is not just Until Death, but also because of duelist

[fiery stratus]

crazy how the builds and weapons in this game seem a mile wide but they're really an inch deep

[nocturne dust]

Zealot has one of their biggest damage talents right next to their best defensive talent

[timid grove]

Meta is meta. Good players can make lots of things work

[fiery stratus]

its not just meta

its most things that arent meta are just straight up bad and not worth using

[timid grove]

Welll they listen to feedback sometimes

Surely one of the zealot mouthpieces will bring it up to the balance ppl at some point

[fiery stratus]

surely

[timid grove]

Also

psyker chat

it's actually about zealots

[fiery stratus]

it applys to all the characters

some worse than others

[timid grove]

Last I checked zealot chat was a weeb haven

[fiery stratus]

zealot chat has 5 people that will jump on top of you and call you disabled if you have the wrong opinion

[nocturne dust]

If you think I'm not a weeb have I got news for you

[atomic swan]

i think that we are talking about "overpowered stuffs" right?

[timid grove]

[timid grove]

That's true I'm just being petty

[nocturne dust]

I would disappear so quickly from Darktide the moment Darktide but Anime Gurlz appeared

[pine relic]

tell me your stories

[fiery stratus]

lol literally lastnight

i said the crusher should kill a crusher in less than 6-7 hits with an off meta build

wewlad dont say that

its perfectly balanced as all things should be

so many of the weapons that people say are fine and balanced, are only that if you use the meta build

if you dont take every damage related thing they're not nearly as good

[nocturne dust]

True

But also, sad

[fiery stratus]

but thats the end of the world

[nocturne dust]

I mean part of the issue is that crusher BPs are so stupid due to how uncanny and rending is

[fiery stratus]

its a gigantic club, that probably weighs 15 pounds of straight steel

[nocturne dust]

and the other issue is damage buffs are pretty significant. TTK is a wide gulf.

[fiery stratus]

idgaf what you hit something with, it should do more damage

even against armored

crush damage is not insignificant irl

[nocturne dust]

Not crusher weapon

crusher enemy

[fiery stratus]

https://tenor.com/view/confused-so-im-confusion-visible-gif-13174475

point still stands

[pine relic]

There's a reason game testers left this game.

[verbal thistle]

game testers left?

[fiery stratus]

historically people used tiny ass warhammers that weight a couple pounds on the head. yet we have a gigantic club smh

[pine relic]

The one I knew has left.

[fiery stratus]

tiny warhammers that will cave in helmets without much effort

[pine relic]

I only complained about it like a year before they finally decided to buff Eviscerator.

[verbal thistle]

are you saying its the game tester that made most weapons broken?

[fiery stratus]

lots of weapons are not good off meta

how do you balance that without making them all broken on meta? idk

probably tree related

[pine relic]

No, someone said because the devs never listen to them.

[verbal thistle]

they are right

[nocturne dust]

Bring the power levels of off and on meta closer together by buffing non-meta in ways that keep on-meta stable.

[verbal thistle]

devs dont listen to testers

[pine relic]

They were absolutely wrong.

[nocturne dust]

For example, impact blessings

They kinda suck

[fiery stratus]

this game should do what mmos do and have polls about content