psyker-class

[vernal blaze]

reddit talking about smite again

sigh

[spice flame]

It's litteraly @thorn cedar (I think)

[waxen jackal]

That's something I'm curious about. Why the is staff considered okay, but smite is hated so much?

[spice flame]

Smite is very good, it's just that some psyker overuse it

[vernal blaze]

im talking about all the comments impulsively hitting the 'dont care use something else'

[olive ember]

Don't you think smite is the best thing ever

[analog agate]

Exploits is saying what most of us know. You can be more time proficient with something other than smite (using a weapon and shrieking) and smite in smite builds is used to enable soul blaze shenanigans. Exploits also just doesn’t like EP smite in general haha. So arguing with the very basis of using it with that keystone. I haven’t read the thread but it is what we were talking about earlier

Now we need atlas to come in here and defend EP smite

[wind spruce]

@radiant frigate GUESS WHAT

[spice veldt]

is irosk up to something evil again

[radiant frigate]

6 days until force greatsword?

[ashen elbow]

Anyone know what’s the mod that shows psyker peril build up as example 60.2%.

[fiery stratus]

Smite isn't intended to be a primary weapon and holding one group after another for your team to slowly chip away is boring.

[analog agate]

True peril

[fiery stratus]

There

[rose fable]

anyone wanna run 4 psykers with smite? sounds like a great time

[plucky flax]

I smite thee.

[rose fable]

Ep smite is the best things ever. only build i use

other than shield

[mortal breach]

If Smite isn't meant to be used as a "your horde is now wiggly meat" ability, then what is it?

[rose fable]

exactly

[fiery stratus]

https://tenor.com/view/shaq-wake-up-sleeping-basketball-gif-22752712

[rose fable]

hard for enemies to be a threat when they cant move and ogryns be throwin bombs there

[radiant frigate]

eepy smite

[fiery stratus]

Its supposed to be used for holding groups yes, but its not intended to be used by going 5 feet at a time hold every individual group

its supposed to be used for breathing room, reviving ect

[rose fable]

well then how about give them breathing room all the time and keep everyting stunnded so dogs and trappers dont matter anymroe

same for bomb dudes, just zap em and done

[mortal breach]

This is how I use smite

[fiery stratus]

There is the fact that all that stuff can shoot further than you think

and throw

[rose fable]

doin gods work

[mortal breach]

I see enemy? Blast it with chain lightning.
Same methodology I used in WoW

[rose fable]

ive literally never had a problem

[fiery stratus]

You can play however you want, just don't be surprised if you can't rally the team. Like I said too you're not doing yourself any favors learning the movement and melee fundamentals either.

[rose fable]

worst case thin them out with the db quick then back to blasting

i stareted full melee so thats not an issue

[fiery stratus]

So you can do aurics with melee and not need smite?

[mortal breach]

Naw. Blitz is my main weapon. My bolter is for funny noises, and my sword for unceremoniously cleaving heads off stragglers

[rose fable]

its not that i need smite, its fun to use and i like it. and its great for area control if u have a team worth anything, they will clean up what you hold

if it dosent have a health bar it dosent move and i dont see any downside to that cause if needed ill go up and smack em too

[fiery stratus]

You don't get that a lot of people don't want to play that way.

A lot of people don't want to follow one person around the entire game killing groups.

[rose fable]

its not about the kills its about winning

[rose fable]

i follow them

[fiery stratus]

Thats not fun for other people though

[rose fable]

my group loves it

[mortal breach]

They don't have to play the way I do

[fiery stratus]

You're also possibly not helping certain people, because some talents hinge on having active dodges, and you stop that from happening.

[radiant frigate]

except chain lightning is not the same

[rose fable]

u have plenty of dodge if im holding the enemy still tho

[fiery stratus]

You need enemy dodges to trigger certain things

Thats only active if they go for you

[mellow fox]

how viable is dclaw with assail and vraks autogun

[fiery stratus]

pretty viable, slow on crushers but can parry

vraks shreds, assail can clean up gunners and ragers

[clear heath]

Yeah there's second wind, duelist, inexorable judgement, precog, riposte, reciprocity, duck and dive

there's probably something i forgot

[fiery stratus]

Mostly zealot stuff granted, but thats probably one of the most popular characters next to vet

[clear heath]

stuning things too far away is also pretty annoying

you get a lot of sustain and damage buffs from trash mobs coming to you

[mortal breach]

If me keeping an entire room standing still is stopping the zealot from losing health or losing dodge opportunities and not activating his abilities? I sympathize, but I'm not sacrificing my fun zap-blast frenzy joyride to end up on babysitting duty when the cheeky proselytizer ends up a red paste on the floor

I shoot lightning. I love it.

[rose fable]

and if u need it that bad say something

[clear heath]

if i have to run to the enemies miles away because someone decided to stun everything while they were scattered 10m away, that's both more annoying and i lost a bunch of damage buffs and toughness gain

[rose fable]

communication goes a long way

[fiery stratus]

Welp, do what you want. Just don't be surprised if someone in the discord blows you off the edge with a barrel in quickplay.

[mortal breach]

Sounds like their problem

[analog agate]

Ya, Matt has a bad argument in game terms. His argument boils down to “you are making the game trivial and unfun for your group”. But FS has allowed you to spam it to your hearts content. I just ask you to pair it with flaming shriek

[rose fable]

auric lvl 4 and im still fine so i dont see a problem

[clear heath]

Realistically i'll just run off to where people aren't smiting.
If smite is that effective, they can handle the smited enemies on their own anyways

[mortal breach]

this

[rose fable]

true

[ashen elbow]

Honestly? I found smite the least fun so I’m just happy I got the penance for it done lol

[rose fable]

@mortal breach we should play togther and double smite sometime

[fiery stratus]

Again do what you want, but you're still not doing yourself any favors as far as skill development

[rose fable]

show them why we do it

[tired estuary]

bonus of running away from smyker is that if they go down b/c they can't fight shit they usually d/c

[clear heath]

Also, should learn to fight non-stunned enemies anyways
Because nurgles blessing exists

[fiery stratus]

Nah smite the bosses, it helps.

[rose fable]

sounds like a weak player if they cant handle them selves

[mellow fox]

so they all do jobs the others cant

[mortal breach]

Admittedly, I do find I enjoy Assail a whole lot more than Smite in terms of "haha funny head-popping sounds grant me morbid serotonin" but to scratch the power fantasy itch of being a horde-controlling psychic god? Smite is the way.

[delicate dove]

Some people don't give a crap about that, and that's fine to me in a PVE game

[rose fable]

^

[fiery stratus]

if you really want to put untold hours into just doing lightning go ahead.

[rose fable]

just trynna play the game in the most fun way i can find

and smite is da way

[fiery stratus]

Don't see how thats enjoyable though

[delicate dove]

It's not. To you.

[fiery stratus]

Right, and tons of other people.

Ask around,

[delicate dove]

Key: to you. There are ways I don't understand either. They aren't for me

[rose fable]

oh well sucks for them

[marble crater]

I crashed as I was entering the extraction point, awesome

[fiery stratus]

If you play quickplay and you're doing that, its not just you and your squad of people who are down for smite 24/7

[rose fable]

oh well

i play the game the way i want and if a lvl 10 can join me on a lvl 4 then they can deal with me using smite whenever i want

fair is fair

[delicate dove]

You only have an excuse to be annoyed if you backfilled and said something, and they don't listen. You queue with randos, you get randos. If you see a Smyker in the pre-game, communicate what you want, or leave

[radiant frigate]

thankfully i rarely see smyker

[fiery stratus]

Lmao, communiticate like that would change anything?

Clearly not.

[radiant frigate]

and when i do, they usually die

so it's whatever

[mortal breach]

Tibi ipsi esto fidelis. There isn't a wrong way to play the game. If you enjoy Smite, do it. If you believe that others using Smite in your party is ruining your fun, I suggest finding a dedicated group to play with that tends to avoid using Smite.

[olive ember]

It's fine until they fit the stereotype of a smite psyker when they go down to the first 3 enemies that aren't smited and become a liability

[analog agate]

I see them often. Always using bubble

[clear heath]

Just run off and abandon the smite player

[delicate dove]

Plenty of players are liabilities, smite or not. Lol

[rose fable]

bubble is great

[fiery stratus]

The fact is if you're using smite and holding every group, you probably don't know the fundamentals. If your team isn't there holding your hand constantly, you're gonna die most likely. Seen it 100 times

[olive ember]

True enough lol

[radiant frigate]

if the smiter survives, then whatever

[rose fable]

ive already explained this

[radiant frigate]

i'm still playing the mission

[analog agate]

Oh. Oh no. We have a bubble smiter in here. Burn the heretic

[fiery stratus]

Thats fine, but I don't believe you.

[zinc phoenix]

I mostly think smite obsessives are ruining their own game through inexperience and incompetence

[rose fable]

dont forget my Db

[radiant frigate]

and honestly? rather a smyker than a bolter zealot/vet

[rose fable]

man you guys just really dont like people having fun do u

[mortal breach]

But please; if I'm quickmatched in your group and I'm running Smite, don't be that guy that blows me off the edge and ruins my fun. Your enjoyment doesn't supercede anyone else's.

[ashen elbow]

I agree with this honestly.

[delicate dove]

Whenever the Smite debate starts up again

always fun

[zinc phoenix]

Like… I’m not the one who is constantly smiting everything and then wondering why I die to pox walkers tapping my ass 😂

[quick tulip]

By Terra, this

[marble crater]

Someone smiting the entire map is not fun for the other 3 players

[zinc phoenix]

Hold right click until death, no other action is allowed!

[rose fable]

cope, and find a new group then my group loves it so why do u care

[zinc phoenix]

Super thrilling for the user 😂

[fiery stratus]

@rose fable If you know what you're doing, you should be able to hold groups then clear by yourself. Not have to rely on teammates for it all.

[olive ember]

If I see a smite psyker ngl I just let them do their thing and I do something else

[analog agate]

You aren’t talking with the regulars here. Most of us don’t care if you use smite. WE find it boring. We care about how you use smite

[rose fable]

ya i do that most the time when we running, its not like i cant fight back its easy

[olive ember]

and then if they die then they fall into the stereotype

[radiant frigate]

do i currently run bolter on zealot? yes, because i thought i would try to find the most degenerate build possible

and i think it succeeds at that

[marble crater]

I care because I might be in the group and also want to have fun, obviously

[rose fable]

then do better and get the kills if u want them that bad. i use smite to defend and if that dosent help ur doing something wrong

[analog agate]

This is how the regulars here usually respond to smite

[marble crater]

[clear heath]

People here have like 1k+ hours of playtime too. Important to realize that the novelty of watching everything get stunned has worn off for most of us

[fiery stratus]

If I see a smite psyker in my game I just assume they're going to die, and they do most times.

[quick tulip]

sees smite
doesn't kill smote enemies
complains when smote enemies kill psyker
???
profit

[marble crater]

So mad, holy shit

[rose fable]

lol no im loving this nobody will talk about this game with me

[mortal breach]

Smite is a control tool. It's meant to fill a niche in group play where the Psyker can take a less aggressive approach and provide a play that no other class can. It was never meant to be used independently.

[olive ember]

I used to be a reg here so yeah

[ashen elbow]

Same actually

[clear heath]

Like a bunch of us have maybe been entertained by smite for a few hours and then gotten bored

[olive ember]

Unless I'm moving through the smited enemies why would I waste my time to do that? The smite psyker can handle those enemies themself

[zinc phoenix]

I think you miswrote a step because it’s “laugh when smote enemies kill psyker”

[mortal breach]

A good Smite user provides the control capability, working with his team to clear or manage hordes efficiently while the rest of the team works the objective, or assists in pruning the rest of the enemy

[fiery stratus]

Taking the assumption that a smite psyker can handle anything themselves is just wrong until proven otherwise.

[ashen elbow]

LMAO

[rose fable]

i cant imagine what people u guys play with if the psyker just dies all the time

[quick tulip]

mmmno, the sound descriptor was accurate

[fiery stratus]

You should just assume they can't clear a single group of enemies alone.

[zinc phoenix]

Morons who hold smite all the time

[fiery stratus]

That'll be the case most times.

[zinc phoenix]

Who I watch die

For my amusement

[rose fable]

lol works for me so whats wrong with them

[fiery stratus]

They rely on smite and don't learn the fundamentals

[zinc phoenix]

It works for you because your friends are carrying you through the mission

[olive ember]

Well my assumption when playing randoms is "they can't handle anything" so I just pretend I'm playing solo anyways

[fiery stratus]

You may have, but tons of people don.t

[ashen elbow]

My brother in Christ I play solo queue 24/7 cause I usually work better alone lol

[fiery stratus]

Thats a good mindset to have, because its probably true

[rose fable]

lol i have proven to them without me there it would be alot worse and i have the leaderboard mod, im not being carried

[delicate dove]

Unless you use EP smite and kill everything

[radiant frigate]

anyone else just go to the psykhanium to spawn 20 crushers and see if you survive?

[fiery stratus]

Yeah i smite them

[clear heath]

sometimes

[zinc phoenix]

If you use ep smite you will eventually kill everything

[ashen elbow]

Not enough.

[quick tulip]

as an aside, I've failed so many Rolling Steel missions because one person goes down and immediately leaves instead of getting a very easy pickup further down

[radiant frigate]

should i try 30 next

[fiery stratus]

50

[clear heath]

You ever just enable aggro on default psykanium and just see how long you last before the mutant fucks you?

[olive ember]

I don't run mods. Wish they would make an option to turn on enemy AI normally >.>

[zinc phoenix]

If you bring voidstrike you can pretty much murder the whole map so no one goes down

[waxen jackal]

There are a ton of new players today. Did PlayStations early access start or something?

[ashen elbow]

As many as your PC can handle

Or console

[radiant frigate]

wish me luck

[olive ember]

Thought it started yesterday

[ashen elbow]

I don’t discriminate

[fiery stratus]

The squad

[waxen jackal]

It might have idk

[olive ember]

Try smiting them.

Show us how its done

[rose fable]

lol

[wet flax]

are heavy swords viable for a scriers gaze build? if they are, whats the best mark for it?

[fiery stratus]

Hold them in place and quell 14 times and kill them with smite

[rose fable]

it will work just gonna b slow asf

[quick tulip]

I always pop into this discord thinking "ah, I'd love to have a discussion about darktide" and then it's just the same buildbashing and four or five kits being toted, quite fun

[zinc phoenix]

They’re usable but not great

[fiery stratus]

Thats because theres only about 8 builds across all the characters that arent shit

[radiant frigate]

i smote them with a dueling sword

does that count

[fiery stratus]

this game has the illusion of build choice

[zinc phoenix]

Leave then?

It’s not prison

[olive ember]

🤔 no

[mortal breach]

I think I see the issue here.

You believe Smite users are incapable of handling themselves, therefore you disregard their presence and potential benefit to the teamplay, and hence leave them to handle a horde on their own.

If they live, then they must have just been holding Smite the whole time and are therefore not worth your time. If they die, then it's because they couldn't handle a horde on their own without your help, and therefore not worth your time.

Either way, your logic is justified because you provided no other option by initiating the team play that Smite provides. Confirmation bias wins. You are the problem.

[waxen jackal]

Ive been practicing mouse and keyboard the past couple days, and I'm awful at it. Which is annoying. But when I switch back to controller, it feels terrible to use lol

[quick tulip]

I'm only here for the emojis and the hamsterwheel of genchats

[zinc phoenix]

🤷‍♀️

[radiant frigate]

would you like to hear about our lord and saviour, reconlas melee psyker?

[fiery stratus]

This isn't a think, I've played with god knows how many dozens of smite psykers. A handful knew what they were doing. But guess what? The ones that know aren't level 50.

[zinc phoenix]

Bottom text lmao

[olive ember]

Wait team play? I thought the consensus was that darktide is a game where 4 solo players flex their skills to each other and happen to help each other if they have a skill issue

[quartz barn]

look all i care about is contribution

[quick tulip]

already mainlining lol

[quartz barn]

if you run smite thats whatever

[radiant frigate]

is it one of the 5 kits

[zinc phoenix]

I would never help a skill issue haver, that’s a disgusting lie

[quick tulip]

probably, I made it back before the recon buffs

[quartz barn]

base smite is useless 90% of the time unless you used it for the dreg rager horde i guess

[fiery stratus]

No its good for holding every enemy group.

[quartz barn]

if you wipe the room, nice

[zinc phoenix]

Except for generating peril

[waxen jackal]

Most accurate darktide description I've seen

[olive ember]

Honestly by the third down I am genuinely going "is it worth the time to help you".

But I still gotta farm those achieves for reviving people so

[quartz barn]

why use base smite vs hordes when you could literally use anything else and just kill the horde instead

[broken quail]

You're not helping. Your flexing by reviving them to assert that they went down they needed you

[waxen jackal]

My favorite darktide past time is when I die, make sure that I tell the person that's trying to clutch and save me that they are awful at the game.

[ashen elbow]

[zinc phoenix]

It’s too bad we can’t teabag em while we’re at it like in the old days 😞

[fiery stratus]

I make sure that the person who gets me up is protected by my shields special attack

I just set that thing right down.

[quartz barn]

you can tho?

[mortal breach]

Clearly the solution is simple;

Smite users: stop reviving your deadbeat teammates. You're better than that.

[quartz barn]

just do it while they're down / still captured lmao

[olive ember]

I'm going to be real, sometimes they really are awful tho. Like nothing tilts me more than carrying a team like 80% of the way there, then get fucked by singular silent trapper, and watch as team instantly crumples in the 30 seconds you go down

[zinc phoenix]

I mean not with the emotes tho, only crouch

[fiery stratus]

@mortal breach How are they going to get through the mission? 45 minutes of zapping each individual group?

[olive ember]

Granted its still a skill issue on my part for getting netted but doesn't make it much less tilting

[zinc phoenix]

Oh I actually did teabag a guy with crouch repeatedly for falling off a ledge two seconds into the mission

[quartz barn]

tbf a thumbsup is not a bag

[mortal breach]

FUCK yes

[fiery stratus]

Sounds boring as fuck

[rose fable]

Then don't do it

[fiery stratus]

I don't

[rose fable]

It's fun tho in my opinion

What I'm about to go do rn

[mortal breach]

Sounds like you can't shoot lightning out of your fingers.

Skill issue?

[rose fable]

Oof

Imagine

[fiery stratus]

same people that go down in auric 100 times then leave at the end

[quartz barn]

ngl this is kinda comical

[rose fable]

Lol ik

[radiant frigate]

people on the ranged dps casterpill never cease to amaze me

[quartz barn]

complains about people complaining about smite thinking they're better than everyone

[mellow fox]

i got this from my last round wth are these numbers

[rose fable]

I've told u quite a few times I can handle myself you just can't accept it

[fiery stratus]

I don't really believe you

[quartz barn]

meanwhile drops a skill issue when pretending they're better when using smite

[rose fable]

Oh well I don't need to prove it to you

[quartz barn]

[fiery stratus]

If by handling yourself you mean zapping everything to death, sure I believe that.

[marble crater]

Perfectly balanced

[rose fable]

I didn't come here for your approval I came here cause I knew people would hate my build and is funny

[mellow fox]

literally

[mortal breach]

https://tenor.com/view/lightning-bolt-gif-10297555197318505984

me frfr

[waxen jackal]

I love when smite gets brought up in chat.

[mellow fox]

should i keep it

[quartz barn]

atleast show some scoreboards cmon

give me something to go off of

[rose fable]

Lemme screenshot one after a match

[olive ember]

I'm just surprised that people here still like smite. I remember when I took a break from darktide smite was considered a funny noob trap

[radiant frigate]

why don't you partake in glorious melee combat

[olive ember]

at least with how most people used smite

[quartz barn]

because it is lmao

[fiery stratus]

Still is

[clear heath]

This conversation doesn't even really need to happen. Eventually the smite users will smite for 10-100 hours, get bored, and the complain about other smite users.
Cycle continues

[marble crater]

Don't know honestly, I don't know anything about those swords

[mellow fox]

btw what should i do for blessings when im using dclaw, vraks autogun, and assail

[radiant frigate]

now it is considered unfunny

ever since eepy smite dropped

[patent mango]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/721520171365171284/1311019478313861191/caption.gif

[olive ember]

Oh right they buffed EP smite a bit back right, its damage or something

[clear heath]

It's not like i don't see how smite can be fun. I've enjoyed the novelty for a bit too.
It just wears off

[fiery stratus]

Smite isn't even bad, people just use it incorrectly.

[zinc phoenix]

Zealots going into the no ammo mael with a heavy sword 😞

[quartz barn]

good

more kills for me

[zinc phoenix]

Yeah bro that will totes cut thru the 8 billion crushers 😂

[quartz barn]

trauma needs to eat sometimes

[fiery stratus]

ability spam go brrrr

[olive ember]

I'm going to be real, that would totally be me lol. I run marty hsword on my zealot

Well rn I'm running dueling sword cuz its broke and gonna use it while it lasts

But marty hsword was what I used to run on zealot

[quartz barn]

ds is going to stay broken

[zinc phoenix]

I just wish people would read the modifiers on the mael

[quartz barn]

because its busted by design

[fiery stratus]

i wish heavy sword killed crushers just a wee bit faster

[olive ember]

I still need to get auric storm survivor or wte teh fuck its called

[mellow fox]

what blessings should i use on dclaw

[fiery stratus]

thats okay, they're just gonna powercreep all the new weapons so you'll see those instead of ds4

[quartz barn]

aka force greatsword

[olive ember]

idk why half of me thinks the new weapons gonna be kinda ass

[fiery stratus]

Any of them

[quartz barn]

honestly this is gonna be heavy cope, but force gsword kinda has to be good for an easy fs win

because its been talked about for so long at this point

[fiery stratus]

@mellow fox might be worth asking in the zealot channel, i don't use dclaw tbh. Doesn't seem like many people here do, might be able to get a better idea. Just say its for psyker and nobody here uses it and you'll probably get some help/

[olive ember]

Judging by the animation we were looking at did the energy wave even kill those pox walkers in the back?

[quartz barn]

prob gonna just be ranged illisi however

[olive ember]

cuz it felt like some of them just ate the energy wave and didn't care

[fiery stratus]

probably got drop off damage with the cleave

[clear heath]

I'm pretty sure they died

but they could be sedition poxwalkers

[fiery stratus]

Knowing fs probably

[clear heath]

the damage is probably fine

[quartz barn]

slaughterer nexus moment

[spice veldt]

so at least 1200 damage against flak or 1400 damage against unarmoured at the bare minimum

[quartz barn]

oneshot is kinda vague however

because i assume thats bodyshots

or core i guess

[spice veldt]

also depends on whether it's crit or not, assuming it can even crit

[clear heath]

I don't think they would troll us by being like "yeah actually we meant with a million buffs like 25 stack DD, red stim, max scriers stacks, against malice gunnners" so it's probably something reasonable

[quartz barn]

of course

[spice veldt]

oh right dreg gunners have a flak body
I forgor

[analog agate]

He did say under certain conditions

[fiery stratus]

15 stacks of disrupt destiny

[quartz barn]

so itll prob be really good, with drawbacks vs the usual armor goons

[clear heath]

I assume it's like, reasonable conditions like slaughterer up or something

maybe a perk required

[quartz barn]

rip illisi i guess

[fiery stratus]

just buff it

ez

[clear heath]

shut up! illisi will not die!

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/487110864504094730/1311384845204848853/illisi_propaganda.gif

[quartz barn]

also no clue if its gonna work like zealot melees

probably?

[spice veldt]

the warp consumes

[quartz barn]

as in, targets / buffs applied to special might be limited

[olive ember]

Are all the funny melee builds nowadays using fucking gaze instead of shriek? Cuz I fucking hate gaze.... and disrupt destiny

[quartz barn]

why would you use shriek on a melee build?

[jovial juniper]

You don't really get much out of shriek on melee

[clear heath]

gaze and DD help a lot, like it's really not close

[quartz barn]

gaze + dd for crit, movement speed etc

[jovial juniper]

Even funny dclaw parry

[clear heath]

DD has gotten easier to stack now though

[fiery stratus]

why hate sg? big stinky damage for a good time period with fast af cooldown

shits good

[clear heath]

like if you have bad memories of it being impossible to stack a few months ago, I assure you that is no longer the case

[upper sun]

anyone down for GAMES?

[clear heath]

Give me 3 hours

[upper sun]

ill be dead asleep

[quartz barn]

gib a few mins

[fiery stratus]

DD is super easy to keep up now, the marking is pretty damn good

Its pretty good about tagging shit basically right infront of you

[upper sun]

can do!

[quartz barn]

need to get lunch ready for tomorrow and idk if i have some premade stuff that doesnt need to be prepared xd

ill ping

[jovial juniper]

Sorry
Spreading Thunderhammer propaganda on Malice

[olive ember]

Are you the guy who caused the other guy to go "why would I take the ds4 on zealot over the thammer"?

[jovial juniper]

Nah

I got the wrong hammer

[quartz barn]

@upper sun getting on now

[jovial juniper]

[quartz barn]

rashuns prepped for tomorrow and obtained for gaming

[patent mango]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/721520171365171284/1311019478313861191/caption.gif

force gs is really good so far

[fiery stratus]

someone post that one gif i missed it

[patent mango]

what gif

[radiant ice]

Is it just me or are the servers on fire tonight?

Error connecting to server every second game

[fiery stratus]

tonight?

[waxen jackal]

I haven't used illisi in forever. What blessings are best for horde clear? Slaughterer and what?

[fiery stratus]

slaughterer and slaughterer

[delicate dove]

I like using Bloodthirsty with DD/crit build

personally

[waxen jackal]

It's for my electro staff build. So it's on the left side of the tree

[marble crater]

Slaughterer and Uncanny is what I use

[olive ember]

Thrust blessing with Force GS kekw

[fiery stratus]

Uncanny yes

[delicate dove]

Prolly uncanny then

[waxen jackal]

I'll probably put uncanny on it

Thanks yall

I'm gonna be bummed when I'm out of staffs to level

[fiery stratus]

have you tried leveling every other weapon in the game

do that next

[waxen jackal]

Yeah on my other characters

I've started anyway

[fiery stratus]

blow material and money and p2w

ezpz

[waxen jackal]

Gotten through most of the melee weapons on zealot.

[fiery stratus]

i've paid to level most of mine, the ones i didnt have near completed already anyway

[waxen jackal]

I wish I had diamantine like that

[late sapphire]

You don't need diamantine for it...

[radiant ice]

You don't need any

[fiery stratus]

i haven't done them all, i'm only leveling things as i'm using them

[radiant ice]

Buy 20 greys, upgrade to green for plasteel

Sacrifice

[fiery stratus]

ah yeah think its just like 100ish plat for green

[waxen jackal]

Oh I meant getting a weapon to 500. Im trying to get one of each to 500.

[fiery stratus]

thats involves the mastery though doesn't it

[waxen jackal]

Yeah, I do buy stuff to get the mastery up if I don't like the weapon.

[fiery stratus]

Ah. I guess if you want to use it to work for it yeh. But otherwise you can shortcut it relatively cheaply

[waxen jackal]

Like the chain axe. I really wanted to like it, Its just not my style.

[fiery stratus]

i cant do any chain weapons

hate the animation feel and the sound

[delicate dove]

the axe is so LOUD

[waxen jackal]

I really like the heavy evis. But I hate the axe honestly

[fiery stratus]

I could get over that, but the chains just don't feel good imo

[delicate dove]

Using the axe feels like having peril FX back at 100% (hell)

[waxen jackal]

I don't like the little pause it does on each enemy. With the light attack

[radiant frigate]

so anyway, about smite

meleestrom, pictured on the left

was it effective? yes

was it interesting? no

[fiery stratus]

Smite isn't bad, its just used wrong.

[radiant frigate]

apparently it still outkilled the other two

just not on elites

[delicate dove]

Remember when I tried the Smyker meta and got 1.2 million damage

I've had my fill of it I think. Lol

[waxen jackal]

Is that a mod?

The scoreboard

[radiant frigate]

Yes

[waxen jackal]

I feel like that should be in the vanilla game tbh

[radiant ice]

It was

But got removed

[radiant frigate]

really now

[fiery stratus]

Mmm I dont think so

[radiant ice]

I do

Cause I was there

[radiant frigate]

i do not recall it ever having been there

since launch

[waxen jackal]

Why would they remove it

[fiery stratus]

Toxicity

[radiant frigate]

rat game had a scoreboard at the end

[fiery stratus]

People chasing the highest kills and damage and being toxic if people didnt perform

which changes nothing because everyone has a mod for it, and if someones gonna be a douche they're gonna tell you anyway.

[waxen jackal]

I honestly don't get too much communication either way in random games. Besides the GG at the end.

[fiery stratus]

I don't even get people saying anything in vermintide which is apparently where the problem came from

[radiant frigate]

sometimes i don't say gg

[fiery stratus]

So basically if fatshark had proper enforcement we could have a scoreboard, but they're too lazy and are fine with punishing everyone

[waxen jackal]

Rude

[clear heath]

wtf toxic

[waxen jackal]

Jk

[radiant frigate]

i know, i am just the worst

toxikat

[radiant ice]

It was and got removed cause people were toxic af on the Reddit and Forums sharing "bad players"

[clear heath]

I played in the pre order beta and never saw any scoreboards

[fiery stratus]

Sounds like something that isn't going to change if thats the case, because those players will just have the mod

which again comes down to lazy enforcement

[spice veldt]

male seer RP

[radiant ice]

You are misrembering

[analog agate]

I have told people in the intro on better blessings/perks to use on weapons. Been called toxic more than once.

[radiant ice]

Hold on lemme see if I have screenshots of it from back then

[analog agate]

Agent was right. Never type in chat. Just emote “yes” or “no”

[delicate dove]

trying to prevent player toxicity GOOD LUCK BABE.

[waxen jackal]

I don't even have the yes no option.

[fiery stratus]

nah talk through your open mic and be as loud and obnoxious as possible

[analog agate]

It is a mod

[clear heath]

I am pretty sure there was no scoreboard when I played in pre order beta

There's no ui for it

[waxen jackal]

Lame. I wish there was a sorry voice line lol

[analog agate]

There wasn’t scoreboard

[fiery stratus]

@waxen jackal for the emperor mod, you can set binds for yes, no, help, pretty much all the commands

i have most of that bound to keyboard

[radiant ice]

There was

[radiant frigate]

either way

[analog agate]

In Darktide? There was an official scoreboad?

[clear heath]

If there was a scoreboard in the code, the mod makers would've used it for the UI

[radiant frigate]

zero chance that people can be more toxic in this game than in mmos

[radiant ice]

Yes

Back in these days

[analog agate]

How do I not remember this

[radiant ice]

Hold still searching my old screenshots

[patent mango]

i do not miss this

[fiery stratus]

I didnt get this game initally because i heard about the development shitshow

[zinc phoenix]

Wish they’d go back to that

[fiery stratus]

gross

[zinc phoenix]

Just add new boards to each class if you want multiple archetypes

[radiant frigate]

i got this game initially because my bf did and said it was good

[clear heath]

Maybe it was in closed beta test then? That was before pre order beta so i wouldn't have had it

pre order beta was like 2 weeks before launch

[patent mango]

i originally got into this cause v2

[waxen jackal]

WTF is this

[fiery stratus]

Whatever the case may be, they removed it because of dipshits. They were to lazy to do any enforcement

[radiant ice]

The original Psyker skill tree

[patent mango]

mere illusion that never happened

[zinc phoenix]

The superior psyker skill tree 😢

[radiant ice]

What's funny is there was a second skill tree

Between that and what we have now

[waxen jackal]

That's crazy. That looks more like vermintide skills

[zinc phoenix]

Yeah the open beta to launch one

Before the big skill tree reroll

[patent mango]

it was so bad

[fiery stratus]

fatshark school of design, copy the last thing. Except for all the good aspects

[analog agate]

Back when we thought they would do classes like vt2

[radiant ice]

Skill tree 1

Skill tree 2

Then there was the early update one that sucked, don't have a screenie of that

[fringe garden]

What we have now is so much better

[fiery stratus]

lol the broken line of code in the description

[zinc phoenix]

Illusion of choice with very few real choices 😢

[radiant ice]

But there was a damn original scoreboard, I just can't find any screenshots I took XD

[fiery stratus]

certified hood classic

[clear heath]

So, i'm watching old vods of closed beta test on youtube and I don't see scoreboards here either

So is it even earlier or are you imagining it?

[radiant ice]

It was there!

I swear to fuck!

[zinc phoenix]

Unless there was something before CBT there was no scoreboard

[radiant ice]

Used to riff on my team for doing bad

[fiery stratus]

mandella efffect

[zinc phoenix]

Alpha testers might have seen one

[radiant ice]

It's real

[upper sun]

FUCK

I DCED

[zinc phoenix]

But scoreboard wasn’t there in CBT or preorder beta

[upper sun]

FUCK FUCK FUCK

[quartz barn]

nice lmao

[upper sun]

@quartz barn im sorry

[radiant ice]

How tf do you search for media in discord nowadays

[upper sun]

my game crashed

[quartz barn]

dw let me update dmf rq i guess

[waxen jackal]

I'm so interested in the old skill trees. I might have to look up all the skills and stuff

[spice veldt]

do "has:"

[upper sun]

nah i think i shouldnt risk it anymore 😭

worst fucking time to crash

besides ive been surviving on cigs and coffee doing homeworks all day i should eat eventually

[quartz barn]

for me it just crashed on startup before i got on, but modding disc has a dmf update

[upper sun]

nah no mods for me

[zinc phoenix]

Two incompetent stealth zealots when playing an ER build is very rough

[waxen jackal]

I think it's time for me to give darktide a break. My fps is probably an average of 10

[delicate dove]

I think basically everything in the old skills were just kept for the new tree/upgraded, don't think there's much to see

[zinc phoenix]

I don’t think they ditched anything

[clear heath]

Some of the nodes were made weaker

like confirmed kill

[zinc phoenix]

Well yeah because you could combo all the good stuff suddenly

[waxen jackal]

Still just interested to see how far the game has gone

[zinc phoenix]

Instead of only getting one per column

[radiant ice]

You used to have to hold a button at the end screen

And it would show your kills/elite kills/revives/deaths etc

[patent mango]

the good ol times when it wasnt good

[clear heath]

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3043435505

[radiant ice]

This was super early though

[waxen jackal]

Perfect

Thank you

[clear heath]

back when the game was bad and we played it anyways

this is still the case, but it's less bad

[patent mango]

just a few more days....

[radiant ice]

Lawd I forgot this was the UI

[patent mango]

that was like beta

[radiant ice]

Yeah that was closed beta 3

[patent mango]

it was so retro

[radiant ice]

I remember even before that

[waxen jackal]

So you were locked into a single blitz and special back in the day

[patent mango]

yeah

and it was hecking brainburst

[radiant ice]

This is driving me insane, cause I played the super early playtests pre-beta

And there was 100% a scoreboard

And the UI was even worse

[fathom adder]

When Autopistol Psykers Roamed the Earth

[radiant ice]

But I took no screenshots XD

[patent mango]

i played autopistol gunker

and mostly did melee even back then

with obscurus lmfaoo

then illisi

[clear heath]

Remember when weapon stats were just bars with no numbers?

[patent mango]

not really

[waxen jackal]

Auto pistol used to be cracked didn't it? Just in general

[rose fable]

so can i use mods rn? my buddy just keeps crashing

[spice veldt]

check modding discord for a fix

[patent mango]

go to modding discord

get hte update mod loader

[late sapphire]

Who caaaareeeessssss

[rose fable]

thank you

[radiant ice]

I remember when we were gonna get subclasses and Psykinetic was only one

[patent mango]

lmao

now we got uh... idek the subclasses

[radiant ice]

I do miss how retro the old birds were

[fringe garden]

I went ages without using a scoreboard mod, finally picked one up and... it just tells you what you already freaking knew if you're paying half attention to the match

[fiery stratus]

I don't pay attention

[patent mango]

scoreboard is good to see how much plasteel people grab

[fringe garden]

lol fair

[patent mango]

its usually basically none

[radiant ice]

Honestly I removed scoreboard cause it clipped over everything for some reason and really doesn't matter XD

[fiery stratus]

I just muscle memory kill things, I couldn't tell you how much stuff i killed in any given game

[patent mango]

i just have the combo counter mod for kill count

its cool

[clear heath]

For like a few patches, when it got buffed and back when pinning for used to give +20% per stack, up to +100% power

[patent mango]

we just need a style meter for darktide

[fringe garden]

It's mostly useless data that can never be properly contextualized accross multiple games to give you any useful information. It is 99% of the time used as an ego stroking device

[patent mango]

lmao

[clear heath]

Do you guys remember when weapons used to look like this?

[fiery stratus]

The data is i'd like to know how much damage my build is doing

[radiant ice]

I can do one better

[fringe garden]

If you play with the same 4 people, all using the same 4 builds, for numerous matches in a row you might be able to glean something from it

[fathom adder]

Scoreboard plugin for buff uptime is great for comparing talents and blessings

[fiery stratus]

who does that

ever

[patent mango]

hits sniper with rock
uuuultra style!!

[cyan portal]

whats that called?

[late sapphire]

I like the extra info

[radiant ice]

Anyone else remember before weapon icons had finished textures?

[patent mango]

oh god

[fringe garden]

The damage your build is doing is never in a vacuum. It is very dependent on what the other 3 people in the match are doing. If they are bad, then your damage might look great. Take the same build into a match with 3 good people and suddenly your damage might be trash.

[late sapphire]

4 psyker auric mael

siblings we are so back

[fiery stratus]

Sure but you still need a scoreboard to be able to determine that

Unless you're gonnna individually keep track of elites ect

Which sounds very tedious

[radiant ice]

And weapons had less polygons than an actual polygon

[zinc phoenix]

Scorebore

[analog agate]

If you are with 3 good people everything should be about equal though… more or less

[late sapphire]

Law of big numbers implies it will converge to real output over enough matches

[zinc phoenix]

Law of large numbers

[fringe garden]

Only if the variables remain the same. Such as your allies and their builds.

[late sapphire]

Idk i am german

[zinc phoenix]

And that requires normal distribution

[late sapphire]

Gesetz der Großen Zahlen

[radiant ice]

And this was our beautiful buff/health and weapon UI

[zinc phoenix]

There’s no reason to think damage across matches is normally distributed

[radiant ice]

We need to go back to the blur

[fiery stratus]

I don't disagree that people would probably be more toxic with it. Especially with this game being on console. But at the same time its pretty dumb to punish everyone, instead of doing a bit of enforcement, but they're too lazy.

[zinc phoenix]

It’s entirely plausible that your damage in matches is bimodally distributed

Where you have a low output cluster when you die and a high output cluster where you live

So LLN doesn’t apply

[fringe garden]

It's okay to use a scoreboard to stroke your own ego a bit. That's what it is genuinely good for. But trying to claim the information it provides is useful to you for the purposes of tweaking your build or w/e is... just not true.

[patent mango]

scoreboard is like okayish im ok with it staying a mod

[fiery stratus]

Well thats a moronic take

How is knowing the damage you're doing/what you're killing useless

[patent mango]

cause i did that killing?

i already know it lol

[radiant ice]

Healthbars is better suited for that

[fringe garden]

I've explained why in incredibly simple terms, lol. There isn't much point in repeating it

[fiery stratus]

How do you know what the damage output is then?

Durr its dead

[patent mango]

how fast i kill?

[zinc phoenix]

I generally care more about mission outcome than raw damage personally. Raw damage is helpful for mission outcome but there are many other relevant factors

[analog agate]

You aren’t factoring in after a lot of games we also get the idea of what other builds’ dmg also do. So yes, can somewhat normalize those variables

[zinc phoenix]

Like not being a complete fucking mong of a stealth zealot

[clear heath]

ovenproof scoreboard plugin has been helpful for determining what parts of my build are getting better/worse when i change things.
Cause of how it separates melee/ranged/soulblaze damage dealt

[radiant frigate]

real

[patent mango]

other than scoreboard theres wayy more important mods to add

[fiery stratus]

No thats never happened, scoreboards are useless and you're only stroking your ego

[late sapphire]

This is super wrong idk why you would ever think this

[zinc phoenix]

So much changes between missions — team comp, players, director spawns, mission — that tweaking based on the output is pointless

[clear heath]

Like it's useful to know adding lacerate isn't doing anything when i see 4k bleed damage dealt for the whole game

[late sapphire]

Just iid variables

[radiant frigate]

is it

[fiery stratus]

Idk. All i'm saying is i still play VT2, I haven't had anyone be toxic to me.

Not for scoreboard anyway lmao

[radiant frigate]

i find that generally having a plan to deal with whatever enemy or situation in a timely manner is the best thing to have in a build

[analog agate]

I never had toxicity either. Never did cata though. Only legend

[radiant frigate]

well, the game might be like the dungeon finder portion of an mmo but it definitely does not have the toxicity of one

[fiery stratus]

Again this is all just punishing everyone for minority of assholes. Again they're too lazy to do any enforcement.

[radiant frigate]

having a scoreboard may however help your own feelscraft

[fiery stratus]

If they had a proper enforcement team, and people actually got reported and banned, it might not be such an issue

[radiant frigate]

you may feel like you're having an impact and smiting heretic effectively

but you may also be wrong

[fringe garden]

Shoot, the way it is now is the best of everything. If you don't want a scoreboard, you dont have one, if you want one.. here is a variety with every shred of random info you could want

[radiant frigate]

scoreboard may or may not be helpful to adjust these things

you are also entirely free not to care about this and just shoot heretic

that's up to you

[fiery stratus]

why not just add it to the base game and give the ability to turn it on and off?

Too logical

[patent mango]

fatshark hasnt even added chatblock yet

[zinc phoenix]

I mixed up non normal with heavy tail and cauchy because it’s been over 20 years since I did my degree 😂

[patent mango]

somehow

[late sapphire]

Also wrong

[fiery stratus]

theres about 1000 qol features that are in vt that arent here

they need to do a wide sweeping pass of that sometime

[calm sapphire]

I mean do they really need to?

It's a pve game afterall

[patent mango]

qol update

[zinc phoenix]

Enforcing against assholes is a pain

[fiery stratus]

Sure, if someones gonna be toxic because they see a number on screen, why don't they deserve a ban?

[late sapphire]

Kind of funny you both missed the actual criticism

[clear heath]

There are some things you can control for that make it more helpful though.
I have people i play with consistently I can compare with, and it's pretty easy to tell with scoreboard whether I perform better with a build or worse, after enough games. If most of my builds do slightly worse than my friend and one build consistently does noticebly better, there's something there worth checking

[zinc phoenix]

If you play with a consistent team tho your outcomes will be skewed

B/c you’re a billion times less likely to have a total mong stealth zealot fucking your run

And don’t have to build for that

[clear heath]

I will know why it is skewed. I'm not looking at just the scoreboard. I'm also there playing the game. I can take it into account

[delicate dove]

Maybe a block is enough

[fiery stratus]

Why?

[zinc phoenix]

ER is great example, very strong but much much harder with moron team

[clear heath]

If i'm just trying to figure out which blessing does more damage across a game, it's helpful

[fiery stratus]

You block them then they continue being an asshole to someone else.

Not gonna change anything

[spice veldt]

the simple answer is probably that they endorse mods and work with mod makers, and mod makers have made a scoreboard mod, so why bother

[fiery stratus]

If someones gonna be an asshole because of a scoreboard, they're an asshole. No two ways around it

[calm sapphire]

FS got more things to worry about than toxicity

Like griefers for example

[fringe garden]

A variety of scoreboard mods, for that matter. Find one that suits your taste

[fiery stratus]

Fatshark doesn't worry about anything except switching the fomo shop every 2 weeks

[patent mango]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/721520171365171284/1311019478313861191/caption.gif

[fringe garden]

lol, bro go try to rile up general chat or something. I don't think anyone is gonna take the bait here

[patent mango]

we're getting force gs they care lmao

[fiery stratus]

What bait? Has history not proven that they're a terrible company overall?

[fringe garden]

shhhh

[fiery stratus]

I'm not blaming the devs, the people who run it are clowns

[patent mango]

fatshark is only a little anomalous

[fringe garden]

Fatshark is currently giving me all the things I want. So we're good.

You guys are aware we are getting the force great sword, right?

[patent mango]

we are?

do you have any footage of it

[fringe garden]

Oh yeah, bud

I think there is a gif going around

[fiery stratus]

They've got a hundred more qol updates to get to though

[patent mango]

no way

[calm sapphire]

I mean what are the chances you'll encounter a pub judging how well u did during a match?

[fiery stratus]

Never

[fringe garden]

I was about to say the chances go up the higher the difficulty but.. shoot, I've seen people lose their minds in malice. It's very strange. People are strange.

[fiery stratus]

At least from what I can remember, and probably 70% of the people in pubs have it i'd bet.

[analog agate]

Probably the majority of the time. Question is do they care or do they tell you

[clear heath]

none of the tryhards here are actually qualified to judge how toxic the playerbase is with scoreboards.
We need to someone to play like shit for a thousand games and see if people are toxic based off that.

[calm sapphire]

Yes I've never had a pub outright type in chat or say in comms that I suck balls

[analog agate]

Maybe you don’t suck haha

[fiery stratus]

Nah i've definitely done bad a ton of times, and no ones ever said anything.

[fringe garden]

Odds are if you're in this discord you're at least a little serious about the game, which means you are probably above average, which skews all of our opinions dramatically.

[analog agate]

I have for sure told someone they suck. 99% of the time it is someone who doesn’t have scoreboard and is bitching everyone else sucks. When they themselves are the ones who suck

[fiery stratus]

A scoreboard would be proof in their fucking face

[upper sun]

if you're on discord you can read

[fiery stratus]

so scoreboard good

[upper sun]

which makes you above 90% of pubs

[fringe garden]

pffft, lol.

[clear heath]

untrue, i cannot

[zinc phoenix]

Best way to find out is to play on malice for a bit

[patent mango]

whats reading how do i equip that

[zinc phoenix]

See how the plebes do things

[upper sun]

i had one pub drop an ammo crate in the assassination mission right before the interrogator event he dropped the ammo RIGHT before the drop

[analog agate]

Now that I think about it. Most of the toxicity in this game is from people who don’t have scoreboard lmao

[fiery stratus]

What happens when you don't know the missions.

[patent mango]

people who are toxic probably dont know how to have mods

[fringe garden]

There is some sort of selection bias going on, but you might be right

[fiery stratus]

How much you wanna bet the toxcity level in this game went up more from xbox crossplay than anything else?

Open mics constantly

[upper sun]

oh it will

[calm sapphire]

Hmm isn't heresy more of a train wreck than malice since there tends to be more pubs whom are full of themselves

[analog agate]

I mean. It also went up because toxicity towards xbox players went up. Controller users and all

[upper sun]

2 weeks after december 3rd is gonna be hell

[clear heath]

If you have scoreboard, you can be toxic 1/4 times when you're the top player.
If you don't have scoreboard, you can be toxic all of the time

[zinc phoenix]

Malice is way more adorable tho

[fiery stratus]

It went up because xbox players have open mics, and are used to playing call of duty

[patent mango]

cod of duty

[fiery stratus]

and existing player base is a problem too

[fringe garden]

Malice has like 9 enemies spawn on the entire map.

[fiery stratus]

how would you know

you dont have a scoreboard

[zinc phoenix]

Fuck console people and their voice chat

[patent mango]

why does diff 1 even exist tbh

maybe its just sandboxx mode

[zinc phoenix]

Permanent off button

[fiery stratus]

for people who have never played an fps

[fringe garden]

I do have a scoreboard. I just don't think it's very useful. I use it to stroke my ego, like I said.

I'm just honest about it

[fiery stratus]

you may not find it useful, but theres a ton of helpful analytics that can be taken from it

[zinc phoenix]

Go into it and you Will immediately understand who it is for

[patent mango]

lmao

that'd be a horror game

i don wana

[calm sapphire]

It's for penance runners

[zinc phoenix]

I’ve seen groups get solo’d by a couple pox walkers 😂

[patent mango]

strongest poxwalker

[clear heath]

sedition is for people who have to look at their hands to see what button they're pressing

like people literally new to video games

[fringe garden]

I always assumed it was for toddlers with hands too small to manipulate a mouse and keyboard effectively

[marble crater]

Sedition is for appreciating the map design

[zinc phoenix]

I knew a kid growing up with no arms who played games with his feet

[calm sapphire]

Pubs often run to get away but what u should be doing is spamming dodge in a timely manner

[zinc phoenix]

He kicked my ass in mario

[upper sun]

sedation is for speed running

[fringe garden]

bit of an oxymoron there

[clear heath]

sedation lmao

[late sapphire]

I saw something or another about an option to turn off crossplay

Is it real? Is it true?

[calm sapphire]

Bait

[zinc phoenix]

I would love to never interact with another Xbox person but there is no way they will do that

[fringe garden]

I never really pay attention to what they are playing on. Is it that bad?

[calm sapphire]

I mean how would u know if they are an Xbox enjoyer

[fringe garden]

Doesnt it put a symbol next to their name at the mission launch menu for which system they are from?

[zinc phoenix]

The way they behave in voice chat + the xbox logo thing

[clear heath]

oh damn, enlightenedgameenjoyer mod got removed

[fringe garden]

Or am I tripping

[zinc phoenix]

What did it do?

[clear heath]

It was a joke mod

[zinc phoenix]

?

[clear heath]

It claimed to block matchmaking with undesireable people, like bad stealth zealots or smykers or xbox players or whatever

[calm sapphire]

Is it the mod that gives a rep system to pubs whether they good or bad?

[clear heath]

What it did was completely turn off matchmaking

[fringe garden]

beautiful

[radiant frigate]

beautiful indeed

do you know what else is beautiful

[orchid shadow]

Or people like me at the start. Not everyone has the same skill at the start and can be slow learners at faster games. I know I was in Sedition from 1-15. I took me 400 levels to be confident to leave Malice.

[radiant frigate]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/721520171365171284/1311019478313861191/caption.gif

[zinc phoenix]

Perfection 😂

[radiant frigate]

that is indeed a long time

also remember heresy in The Before Times™

where it was still legitimately hard

toughness so scarce

being alone was a death sentence

ogryn still sucked back then too

[clear heath]

I think back then we were just bad at the game lol

[zinc phoenix]

I went back to malice recently and I liked those guys, they knew they weren’t good and wanted to get better

I respect that hustle every time

[late sapphire]

i'm still waiting for the difficulty tweak to match the power boost the talent rework brought us

[thin shore]

This might be a stretch, but I'm absolutely losing my mind over this. Anyone know how a guy on PSN can get this absolutely maddening Penance of Cliffhanger? By the Emperor, I cannot seem to line up 7 heretics near a ledge to save my life!

[patent mango]

ohhh

[patent mango]

is this the new force gs gif

lemme post it to see if it saved right

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/721520171365171284/1311019478313861191/caption.gif

[radiant frigate]

idk i got it from you

[patent mango]

this cant be...

[orchid shadow]

What map are you doing it on? Vigil Station, last interrogation point before the end is a pretty good spot.

[thin shore]

I don't know a map to try yet. I found a few spots with small bridges, but the damn game doesn't let you play solo.

So I have to pray the randos are helpful.

[elfin kettle]

That's an interesting experiment. I never see any toxicity and always scratch my head in confusion when it comes up on reddit. Maybe I'll try see it for myself.

[elfin kettle]

Complicated workaround, if you have it on game pass + steam then make private lobby with yourself.

I used that to get a few penances

[fathom adder]

They would call you shit whether they had a scoreboard or not, unless you're trying to be downright sneaky about playing like shit

[thin shore]

. . . I think specifying the PSN part indicates the impossibility of this.

[clear heath]

Yeah you'd have to play in a way where they could only tell if they were checking numbers

Like you'd have to never die and always be grouped, but maybe like, attack slower or something

take no damage blessings

have only a survivability tree

[elfin kettle]

Ohhh so its to test toxicity due to scoreboard?

[clear heath]

so your damage numbers are worse but no one should be able to tell without seeing the numbers

[elfin kettle]

Not just if youre a shit player?

[fathom adder]

The other thing is that even if you play like shit, if the game goes smoothly they still won't care

[clear heath]

This is a joke if it wasn't obvious. Don't actually troll your games to see if your teammates are toxic

[elfin kettle]

It is obvious but I am going to do

[orchid shadow]

Try Vigil station at the end then. There's two bridges where you can let a horde build up as well as back entrance with two ledges. Plenty of opportunities if you let your team know in advance that you'll be covering that bridge so that they don't interfere

[elfin kettle]

In 2000 hours I've only ever had 1 time that someone was toxic over scoreboard

[fathom adder]

The only times I have ever seen anyone directly invoke numbers/scoreboard in Darktide (in game) is as a defense against the accusation of playing like shit

[thin shore]

I'll give it a shot. Thanks.

[fathom adder]

And it has been like 3 times total

[radiant frigate]

i have only seen people be toxic because they were stealth zealots that were incredibly full of themselves

not at all scoreboard related

[elfin kettle]

And it was from wayyyy back when Shredder Autopistol was GOAT, it was a zealot mag dumping into hordes to pad numbers.

That had vastly higher ammo used

And started shit talking the team for low damage

[indigo plank]

Honestly I struggled with this one for a little bit because either folks were too bloodthirsty or there weren’t enough enemies at any given time.

If you communicate, most people will gladly buy you around 1-2 minutes to try a penance. I was lucky enough to get mine at one of the extracts when I was like “Think I can try to get the penance here?” And they said “go for it”

Spam force sword push, shriek, then push more with the FS

Best chance they’ll all count

[elfin kettle]

In my experience people are always help with penances if you ask

[radiant ice]

The lfg channel here is great for it

I remember getting the ledge penance on launch day

[fiery stratus]

^

[radiant ice]

It was something stupid like 20 people in 2 seconds

[indigo plank]

People here would literally do it for you if they could lol

[fiery stratus]

LFG Is worth a shot. Just say you're new and you're looking for help with the penance

[radiant ice]

Had to get train a whole congo to an edge and push them with vent

[indigo plank]

There was I think a chasm terminus mission with a TINY bridge in the beginning that was good for it

[radiant ice]

LFG here helped me with a bunch of penances even without being new

Good dudes in there

[indigo plank]

I’ve only played with LFG folks here once and they were wonderful

[fathom siren]

Good times....

[indigo plank]

Malleus Monstrom when it was 90% in public

[thorn cedar]

well the thread reception seems pretty good

too bad work is a shitshow rn, no time for replies

[fathom siren]

GOOD TIMES.

[indigo plank]

BEFORE DAEMONHOSTS

[fiery stratus]

I put too much hotsauce on my taco 🥵

[indigo plank]

ZEALOT FLESH WOUND BEFORE ROLLING STEEL

[radiant ice]

97% at first

That may have been closed testing

But oh lawd that was the worst

[indigo plank]

That’s so arbitrary what lmao

[radiant ice]

I know

[fiery stratus]

accurate description of fatshark design

[radiant ice]

It was back when the tree looked like this

And brain burst took forever to fire off too, doing tiny damage

[fathom siren]

Beta Darktide was a beautiful

STupid thing

[indigo plank]

https://tenor.com/view/breck-whiplash-gif-26891813

Mfw old UI

I read a comment online when someone said they liked the atmosphere of the closed beta when effectively everyone played like a guardsman squad huddling up and being afraid to go first

Made me think about how we’ve hit a point with current DT where it’s like “oh god another one of you bastards again…”

[fiery stratus]

John Darktides rolling in their graves

[fathom siren]

Honestly I kinda like it now because it's like we've progressed as a community

We've gone from being confused about the unknown to just...

Ripping and tearing through hordes

[radiant ice]

I did like it when a squad stuck together as a squad

Instead of everyone sprinting off with their "Solo carry builds"

But other than that, holy fuck are we in such a better place

[fathom siren]

True that. Team play will always be more fun

[dusky crag]

That's a thing people never really consider in these discussions is this was always going to happen when people got more comfortable

[fathom siren]

It's good! We've progressed in-game and as a community

[indigo plank]

I think it works really well in some levels, but I’d love to see FS explore knocking us off our pedestals again

Like that one carnival mission where they jam the vox

[radiant ice]

I'm hoping that Havoc mode does that

[indigo plank]

That’s going to be much more “artificial difficulty” than thematic pressure

[radiant ice]

Who knows

We haven't seen it yet

Hopium

[dull scroll]

EP or DD for assail gun psyker

what's the current verdict

[fathom siren]

I'd love some missions where you've really gotta be careful about what you're doing, or it gets considerably harder

[indigo plank]

Because “oh boy youre havoc level 30, means we’re basically guaranteed to have hunting grounds, mutie spam, histg, no stims, nurgles blessing, less snacks in the Ogryn backpack, and someone took the zealot’s book”

Ain’t gonna be it

[fathom siren]

A mission where you go into an Asylum type place, full of Daemonhosts. Think Hard Rain from L4D, but Darktide

[indigo plank]

^^

Bingo, cool stuff like that

[fathom siren]

That'd be dope as hell

[nocturne dust]

"Havoc 30? I see, lemme just turn off toughness and HP."

[indigo plank]

Naturally every cool idea comes with a little sticker attached that says “Think about the average heresy lobby” but in a perfect world, I’d love to see them explore slightly more open objectives

Like they drop us in an area similar in size to the one mission where you download the data from the big library

[fathom siren]

A mission out in the badlands could be fun. Middle of a sandstorm, big open area?

[indigo plank]

And it’s like “you can do X, Y, or Z. Figure it out and get it done rejects”

It doesn’t even necessarily have to be “open”

[fathom siren]

True

[indigo plank]

Because that just seems overly ambitious for the type of game Darktide is

[fathom siren]

I do think a mission outside of the hive would be cool

[indigo plank]

I just mean instead of “deploy servoskull, follow, scan corpses” you all could decide “this minigame sucks, let’s go turn the power on instead and defend from waves while the generators spool up”

Or “I don’t think this team could handle holding out right now, let’s just do the objective to reroute auxiliary power because you can just knife mobility and flip the switches while I cover them”

[tired estuary]

lets have more timed missions but instead of instant failure it just rains ragers on you or smth funny

[indigo plank]

Naturally you’d get situations where it’s like “where the fuck is the veteran? Oh he’s trying to turn on the generators by himself”

[late sapphire]

yeah and then you go do the objective and turn around and they are all 3000m away

[indigo plank]

But in a perfect world, it could be so cool

[tired estuary]

or just have the operator insult you more when people aren't doing the objective

[fathom siren]

TOO SLOW, KHORNE SMITES THEE

[tired estuary]

start getting personal with it

[late sapphire]

This already happens in the scan missions

You go scan, you tag, they are clearly going with you, you stop paying attention for a minute, everyone else disappears like a magic trick

[indigo plank]

It’s why old Hab Dreyko was shit

Random cannot be trusted to scan

They also cannot be trusted to cover you while you scan

[late sapphire]

+1 point for 'this is all my dream'

[radiant ice]

Hmm

[late sapphire]

They also cannot click circles and cannot cover you while you click circles

[indigo plank]

Lemme get the clip for “leaving a veteran player for literally 3 seconds”

[radiant ice]

Is wildfire worth running on my electro build

[late sapphire]

Are you using pc and venting shriek

[radiant ice]

When I am also running Perilous Combustion and Creeping Flames

Yeah

[late sapphire]

Opinions are split but many say yes

[radiant ice]

That's where I am, split opinion

[late sapphire]

I say it's a very solid ehhhh

[radiant ice]

Dropping it would allow me Kinetic Deflection

[clear heath]

just take both

what is the build?

[indigo plank]

https://streamable.com/rxyvor Leaving coherency for THREE seconds

I wish I had the clip of the smoothest I’ve ever done that mission

Was with a random LFG team from here

[fathom siren]

LMAO

Turn around to kill one enemy

And they get nabbed

[indigo plank]

Without a word one guy and I just mentally sync’d and he threw all 3 up to me

We were both always in the right place at the right time for the handoff

[fathom siren]

Oh dude I love when that happens

[indigo plank]

I only pinged once to let him know I was in position

He waits to see me bisect a single poxwalker

Tosses

Fucking incredible

[fathom siren]

Had a match the other day with 3 Ogryns and we opened all the vaults and delivered all the things to the toobs like that

It's so nice

[indigo plank]

Heeeeeeellll yeah

[fathom siren]

Satisfying as fuck

[indigo plank]

Meanwhile you get some teams that are like

“God willing, I will carry this up the stairs”

Pox pouring down both sides of the stairwell, coming up from the bottom, fighting them off on both ends

[fathom siren]

"You're not meeting the Emperor today, reject! Not if I have anything to say about it!"

[indigo plank]

https://tenor.com/view/angry-losing-it-okay-fine-im-cool-gif-16882004

when our bottom player has only killed 44 TOTAL enemies by the finale on DAMNATION and they aren’t even playing the goddamn objective

WHAT ARE YOU DOING AT YOUR PC/CONSOLE RN

[fathom siren]

H O W

Genuinely baffles me, at times

[indigo plank]

Someone went down 9 times, died 4 in one of my games

[radiant ice]

The worst for me is just getting people to group up

[indigo plank]

I was convinced they were picking their nose

[radiant ice]

every single game the last 3 days it's been 3 people sprinting away in total different directions

In Auric Mael

[fathom siren]

I love when three of you are in the airlock

And the last dude is just fucking around like fifty meters away 😂

And y'all just start spamming the "GO HERE" ping

[dusk void]

That would be me 😆 I suck

[radiant ice]

It would also be real nice to play an Auric Mael this week without joining in progress

Just once

[dire orbit]

Alright so with the force greatsword coming out I needa know

If I want to go the absolutely cursed route of a melee psyker how should I set up my curios?

Stack health
Stack Toughness
Balance health/toughness and add 1 wound
Ect

[nocturne dust]

Meleeker doesn't really get anything unique so just standard 2 tough 1 heatlh or 1 tough 1 health 1 stam

[dusk void]

Why add a wound curio?

[nocturne dust]

is the general rec

[dusk void]

I also run 2 17% toughness 1 21% Health

[nocturne dust]

I normally run 1 stam for meleeker

[dire orbit]

I have the crystalline will skill so if I over do my warp magic I don’t go down and cam keep fighting

[clear heath]

just don't explode

[nocturne dust]

That's a crutch

Don't explode

[dire orbit]

I don’t care

[nocturne dust]

🤷‍♂️

It is trivial to manage peril but play the way you like I guess

[dusk void]

Exactly. Or use Venting shriek if anything. At least you kill shit while quelling 50% of your peril