psyker-class

[potent echo]

Localisation

Also I don't think they have any QA for things like this

[little kayak]

Honestly? Peril charge

It's ridiculous you can only use it like 3 times

The only way I found it even semi comfortable is just shriek spam which is lame

The damage isnt even good enough for it to be as limiting as it is

[upper galleon]

I mean, yea cause it’s not meant to be spammy

I think it’s too niche

Basically forcing into KR+EP build to keep up the pace

Not to mention EP BR is peril free

[nocturne dust]

Update: It's just worse than my normal unhinged strike nonsense 🤷‍♂️

[tacit stump]

the one you need not to aim that much and bb has lockon

[potent echo]

Peril charge is non-issue as long as edging exists

[wind spruce]

Mods

[wind spruce]

As in it generates too much peril?!? You could make it cost zero peril and that would barely be a buff to it

[potent echo]

True

[little kayak]

I feel like it makes it crutch on shriek really hard but since shriek is already meta it doesnt really matter ig. Definitely needs more though, smite and assail are just flat out better

Smite is completely broken actually

[potent echo]

Sure but their use case is so different you can't just compare them

I also don't understand what you mean by crutch on shriek because you only need to quell for 0.4 seconds between casts, the default cast time is so long that this quelling doesn't even really matter

[polar crypt]

smite is not OK

but at the same time they can't really nerf it, they should probably just buff the other two psyker abilities

[patent jacinth]

Assail doesn’t need it

[quartz barn]

Bb wont ever work because of its design

[potent echo]

I feel like BB is hamstrung by the fact that it has literal infinite range and aim bot

If they limited it's scope they can make it more powerful

The optimal situation for BB is a bunch of elites 200m or further away from the psyker but that never happens in the actual game

[polar crypt]

assail is not as powerful as smite though

[patent jacinth]

Its the most directly damaging blitz

Can entirely dismantle any waves of anything below carapace with a build

[potent echo]

🤷‍♂️ depends on what specific situation you thought of in your head that pits the two blitzes against each other

[polar crypt]

smite locks down and disables anything that isn't a boss for as long as you are channelling leaving your entire team free to do anything they want so uh yeah it's stronger

[potent echo]

I can think of another situation in my head that smite absolutely loses to assail in

What if you were 50m away from 3 gunners and you have no cover

[polar crypt]

sprint up, smite, lol they are disabled

alternatively just shoot at them with your gun

[potent echo]

There's an uncrossable gap between you two

I.e. prison part of assassination map

[patent jacinth]

It’s carnival end event

[potent echo]

Or that

[patent jacinth]

You’re stood by the event start button and they are on the ass end of the room

[polar crypt]

like

I know what you are trying to say but

odds are if there is a horde

smite will reach those enemies

anyway

[waxen jackal]

Tried voidstrike with m&k and aiming is so much easier. Hopefully in about a week I'll be just as good or better than I am with controller

[polar crypt]

and if you just want 'to kill a special that is far' again just use your gun or the veteran will get them because that's their job

then you smite some more

[patent jacinth]

Or you jump off a bridge(in game)

Because the act of falling is more fun than playing smite

[polar crypt]

I got no problem spamming it cuz it's extremely useful to the team

[lone wing]

wrong

[patent jacinth]

It also puts them to fucking sleep

[lone wing]

for zealots: it actively lowers their damage and survivability as they depend on being attacked (and dodging said attack) to get those buffs

[patent jacinth]

And you would probably be more useful if you

You know

[lone wing]

vets you can kind of make a case for but they're going to be bored

[patent jacinth]

Used any of that actually damaging magic

[polar crypt]

they don't need it if they are not being attacked

gg

[lone wing]

again

[patent jacinth]

Instead of the Palpatine tickles

[lone wing]

their damage is ACTIVELY LOWERED

you are pausing the game

[polar crypt]

doesn't matter if everything is dead because they can't fight back

[lone wing]

and making the entire thing un fun

if you want to use smite

[patent jacinth]

You are making the game worse

I like to play my video games

[lone wing]

if i wanted to play the psykhanium for 30 minutes i'd go do that

[polar crypt]

oh, I'm in danger? smite, not in danger
oh there's a horde? smite. no more horde
oh there's a mixed crusher/mauler horde? they're now frozen forever gg

[patent jacinth]

Not have my fps lowered through the floor and contract epilepsy

[lone wing]

smite is the definition of crutch

worse than stealth

[patent jacinth]

Boring as shit

[lone wing]

worse than knife only

[patent jacinth]

!!!!

[polar crypt]

oh so by 'crutch' you mean - it's really really strong huh

okay I'll keep using it then

you agree with me

[patent jacinth]

You also tank peoples performance with all those FX

[lone wing]

"crutch" = thing that takes the least amount of skill to use

[patent jacinth]

We agree it is overpowered

But in the least fun way possible

[lone wing]

that includes overpowered abilities and items

[patent jacinth]

And in a way that makes you learn the game wrong

[polar crypt]

then I'll keep using it until it gets nerfed

[lone wing]

i will keep teamkilling you

and so will everyone else

[polar crypt]

no they won't lmao

[lone wing]

i don't think

you quite understand

the hatred that exists for smykers

[patent jacinth]

If I wasn’t entirely blinded and at 10 fps I would barrel you every chance I got

[polar crypt]

don't hate the player hate the game

fatshark's fault they made like a class with one good ability and two that can't even compete

[patent jacinth]

“Can’t even compete”

[remote bloom]

[patent jacinth]

Assail can hit infinite scriers uptime

Literally infinite

The game just doesn’t spawn enough shit

[spring geyser]

BB with EPsi is nice tho...

[potent echo]

I feel like if a player purposely places themselves in smite situations with the worst positioning, the other 2 blitzes will seem bad

[lone wing]

bb has incredibly high boss and elite killing potential

[potent echo]

But you can position yourself in games where you aren't surrounded on all sides

[patent jacinth]

Double walls red stim

[lone wing]

assail is probably my favorite blitz in the game

[patent jacinth]

Assail is really cool

[potent echo]

Like if you play tip of the spear rushing into flanks, assail will be much more useful than smite

[patent jacinth]

Gets rid of scattered light stuff and can weave in melee

[lone wing]

you play assail if you want to frontline shred everything that isn't carapace , an ogryn or a boss

[patent jacinth]

Quick swap and let of a shard then swap back

[potent echo]

You can say smite works better with your playstyle but I wouldn't say the other two are bad

[lone wing]

you play smite if you want to stand still for 30 minutes and do quite literally nothing

[buoyant maple]

worse because the stunned enemies keep shaking their heads (harder to headshot) and I have to walk extra far to hit them with melee since they can't come to me

[spring geyser]

Assail does feel a little wimpy sometimes, but... man does it rip things apart when you're getting crits with autoheadshots, lol.

[patent jacinth]

You need to press f every 15 seconds

[polar crypt]

assail is like, O K for what it does, but my problem with it is the opportunity cost of missing out on smite and the CC that comes with it

[patent jacinth]

Womp womp

[lone wing]

well maybe try a different build, moment

[patent jacinth]

Learn to play the game without an instant win

[nocturne dust]

Just git gud

[patent jacinth]

Try voidstrike scriers gaze Deny Destiny

[buoyant maple]

best way of using smite (besides EP smite lols) is just to grab both psykinetic's aura + malefic momentum in the same build

[patent jacinth]

Very fun

[spring geyser]

I think... generally, it's better to just use smite to pick up and throw a crowd as an entrance, then just clean up normally.

[polar crypt]

and brain burst is like OK even with EPsi, but. the situations where it's useful are so few and far between

[patent jacinth]

Yes

So yes

[nocturne dust]

Disrupt Destiny

[patent jacinth]

It just knocks stuff over if you release it

[patent jacinth]

Deny is cooler

[nocturne dust]

I actually disagree

[patent jacinth]

Unfortunate

[hazy moss]

what do you guys think is the best staff?

[nocturne dust]

meta-wise, EK

[spring geyser]

Electromancer

Er... electrokinetic

[nocturne dust]

But not by much

[polar crypt]

inferno is really good at taking care of hordes

[compact cargo]

inferno maxing

[nocturne dust]

Inferno coming for that EK booty

[patent jacinth]

I like voidstrike as the bowling stick

[nocturne dust]

Give it second blaze away with Havoc Update

[spring geyser]

Voidblast is absolutely amazing tho

[lone wing]

gunker + assail build i yoinked from a friend and i still love

[patent jacinth]

And it’s FX are just

Perfect

[polar crypt]

the void staff that lets you shoot a big ball is pretty good

the circle AOE one is OK but too fiddly

[nocturne dust]

All staves are strong

[brazen rampart]

No soulstealer is pain.

[spring geyser]

Ehh... bowling ball is cool, but the aoe is just way better.

[hazy moss]

i agree with you

[patent jacinth]

Bowling is more fun

[hazy moss]

big ball staff best staff

[patent jacinth]

Also a gambling stick

[lone wing]

on gunker?

[compact cargo]

Trauma elite utility is underrated

[nocturne dust]

Trauma is the safest tho, and EK reaches the highest damage in practice

[hazy moss]

anyone who says ek staff is not a free thinker

[polar crypt]

the AOE circle thing is really strong but uh yeah

[lone wing]

you're not getting warp kills with gunker

[compact cargo]

Teamates can't die of skill issue of elites are having a nap

[spring geyser]

nah, I just like lightning mages.

[hazy moss]

assail

[patent jacinth]

Scriers DD surge makes its crits abominable

[spring geyser]

It's muh favorite :p

[nocturne dust]

https://tenor.com/view/uncanny-emoji-angry-hakayaki-hakayaki-angry-emoji-gif-13101565263917230073

[brazen rampart]

I mean, when scriers isn't ready I resort to meleeker with assail darts, so I use soulstealer to keep my toughness topped off.

[lone wing]

fair enough

[brazen rampart]

Ammo economy and all that jazz.

[lone wing]

i should do the same

honestly

[nocturne dust]

I remember when everyone yelled at me after Unlocked and Loaded because I said EK was now the strongest

[lone wing]

wait a second

[nocturne dust]

I remember

[compact cargo]

[lone wing]

i can drop etherial shards for that

[brazen rampart]

I would drop the faster regen speed on assail for it.

[lone wing]

warp splitting is doing it already

[brazen rampart]

I also run illisi with gunker so I can just cleave one small group and get all my toughness back.

[lone wing]

nah i was talking with ainz the other day and he basically told me warp splitting (cleave on higher peril) does what etherial shards does already (more pierce)

[brazen rampart]

That's interesting.

I didn't realize warp splitting affected assail.

[lone wing]

affects everything iirc

except BB and smite for obvious reasons

only time i would ever take smite is for that electrify on heavy attack

[nocturne dust]

even staff lmbs

you can cleave poxwalkers at like 100% peril

[spring geyser]

I like the synergy between smite, EK, and the new zappy stik.

[lone wing]

minus surge though

[nocturne dust]

oh does it not affect surge secondary projectiles?

[plucky flax]

Is it stronger than blaze away burga?

[nocturne dust]

[lone wing]

OH

M1

IM STUPID

[nocturne dust]

lol

[lone wing]

i thought you were talking about M2

my ass really read

lmb

and thought that

[nocturne dust]

Yes. For now. But if Havoc ups spawns... 😓

[plucky flax]

Nothing is as cool as bistol still.

[lone wing]

is cool

i like my boltgun though

[nocturne dust]

I still hate 🅱️istol with a 🅱️urning 🅱️assion

[spring geyser]

Holy shit I'm stealing that

[nocturne dust]

I will never like 🅱️istol until it gets the recoil thingie fixed

[nocturne dust]

I stole it too

I also edited it, lol

This was the original I stole

[lone wing]

that should be "creature: maniac"

smh

[nocturne dust]

True

I can edit it again

[lone wing]

fucken

also

[potent echo]

Bistol good though

[lone wing]

apparently

[potent echo]

You shoot at thing it usually dies

Also makes a crunch

[lone wing]

ragers are elites

/s

[brazen rampart]

Something something, "this mf called flak gunners elites," something something.

[lone wing]

w

[lone wing]

something something my favorite something something

[brazen rampart]

I wonder if you can pull off a vigilant autogun with scriers as a diet exe stance.

[patent jacinth]

“Diet” vastly more damage potential

Just more unstable uptime

[nocturne dust]

Edited to be slightly better

[patent jacinth]

Make it a 20/20 or something dumb

[nocturne dust]

Maybe I should just go the full way and get a proper edit on a magic the gathering card instead of taking someone else's

[spring geyser]

I dunno why that's so funny, but the idea of the Emperor just standing there wide-eyed as Eighty Fucking Ragers™️ ascend the steps into the palace.

IT's just... so funny to me...

[spice flame]

[nocturne dust]

I never realized how annoying the sound of eighty ragers in the Psykhanium is

[spice flame]

Their cough

[nocturne dust]

stupid discord file size limits

https://tenor.com/view/sad-fade-fade-away-disappear-evaporate-gif-16638726229780416323

[granite kelp]

man palpatine fingers is so versatile yet boring

[nocturne dust]

yep

[wind spruce]

They be yappin'

[plucky flax]

Brand new 1mil damage game with bistol for you @mossy oyster

[nocturne dust]

oh lawd

They make different noises when they've been aggroed once

[plucky flax]

Bistol supremacy

[wind spruce]

Do you have a psyker bistol video up

[plucky flax]

Yeah although I adjusted the build slightly. Take the warp cleave instead of assail cleave.

[wind spruce]

Ofc ofc

[plucky flax]

This one was pre patch
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wCe5-KJME1Q

But this clutch was pretty cool too and short video
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=en720aSwEJg

Had another bistol clutch just now probably gonna make it into a short clip too.

Bistol clutching god

(totally not assails being op)

[nocturne dust]

assail being op
looks inside
creeping flames shriek

[plucky flax]

Quick swap to bistol for a hips fire snap shot is also incredibly cool. It's fairly accurate too.

[quartz barn]

Guncounter gameplay

[plucky flax]

Only bistol is accurate enough to stagger mid air lunging doggo
https://www.youtube.com/clip/Ugkx3qlWAfiu0P5AARdHuO428Ww2BLKFOpAh

[nocturne dust]

Y-you don't do that with every gun?

https://tenor.com/view/side-eye-gif-11399444358411290094

[plucky flax]

Huh when it's sideway it's harder than when the dog lunge in head first.

Also it's single shot weapon vs something automatic.

[nocturne dust]

I mean, yeah but I manage it fairly often with weapons I'm more practiced with

[plucky flax]

You are clearly better player.

[nocturne dust]

But my accuracy is terrible 😭

[wind spruce]

This makes no sense, everyone knows you have to run Battery Gunner to make bistol work... must be hacks

[plucky flax]

Battery gunner wot?

Warp battery with gun why? D:

[spice flame]

funy

[nocturne dust]

Once again spending way too much time on something stupid

[nocturne dust]

For you, boo

[patent jacinth]

I saw and saved already

[nocturne dust]

Glad to know someone appreciates my work

[wind spruce]

Because atheneum says so of course

[barren pine]

if a rager is anything hes red

[nocturne dust]

wat does HTK stand for

[mossy oyster]

Crisp

[plucky flax]

That's too advanced for me. I'll stick with dd boosting assails damage consistency.

[blissful solar]

hits to kill i bet

[nocturne dust]

you right, I looked it up in the guide

[plucky flax]

@mossy oyster @wind spruce veri cool ez bistol clutch. Zealot was so confident running in against a crusher and a bunch of shotgunners tho
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VnF-i8TCPn4

[wind spruce]

"Advanced" good one

DD is definitively the superior choice

[nocturne dust]

[plucky flax]

[wind spruce]

And you don't waste half your talent points on garbage

[nocturne dust]

The more I look at Pygex's guide, the more I question it

[plucky flax]

I will not question superior pygex knowledge

[drifting elk]

no ones watching your video

[plucky flax]

Thanks.

[nocturne dust]

🤔

This is a weird tier list and recommendation, no? I'm not crazy, right?

[wind spruce]

Because half of its wrong

[wind spruce]

I thought this was pretty orthodox?

But I don't play bad staff

[nocturne dust]

The recommendation is warp flurry

[drifting elk]

no the psyker guide is actual dogwater

[nocturne dust]

and also warp res is the typical dump stat

and penetrating flame is better than flurry

[plucky flax]

I only follow UnsanctionedPsyker he's the coolest.

Veri op builds

[wind spruce]

Ah right

[drifting elk]

just one look at this is all you need to disregard the guide entirely

[nocturne dust]

and maniac is... sure? Unyielding is probably better for ogryns even if you plan to swap to a stabby stick for bosses

maniacs rarely last that long against the staff

[nocturne dust]

I mean, that's just LMB spam + EP smite

Only questionable node is BM

and missing out on soulstealer

[drifting elk]

exactly. completely just incomprehensible

[nocturne dust]

lol

[drifting elk]

also this for fire trauma. WHAT?

[nocturne dust]

BB Trauma?

[plucky flax]

https://tenor.com/view/com-yep-gif-25120277

[nocturne dust]

and no KF?

[drifting elk]

ep bb is fun. but this aint the build

[nocturne dust]

https://tenor.com/view/megamind-gif-26070434

[buoyant maple]

This is making me worried abt the example builds I’ll put in my guide like 5 months from now lol

[nocturne dust]

The weird part is taking BB and then not even taking KF

[nocturne dust]

I will judge you harshly despite having no knowledge of how to play vet now or in the foreseeable future

[buoyant maple]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/985983134275366943/1311208305619636284/Desktop_2024.11.27_-_00.53.00.09.mp4?ex=67480565&is=6746b3e5&hm=0832cfb0f102334973c88e58a68a62582a3908913dcc64b38af60cf3102ce217&

Sneak peek

[drifting elk]

difference is your sample builds werent posted as a guide like a week after ul&l update

[nocturne dust]

This is why I decided to stick to staves and only staves

Although I only have one guide right now

and it's not even really official

[patent jacinth]

Instead of 1 page per weapon class

It’s now 1 page per mk!

[buoyant maple]

Upgrades

[nocturne dust]

1 page per weapon stat

[patent jacinth]

I wonder how long it’ll take to load

Ogrynomicon chugs when I grab the scroll bar

[buoyant maple]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/985983134275366943/1311171699139543080/Desktop_2024.11.26_-_22.27.39.07.mp4?ex=6747e34d&is=674691cd&hm=336d10af862ec9fa917cf3214fc3c10a9762fe350d1cee3e13e1020517c292a4&

[nocturne dust]

I mean I literally have to reload the vet guide every time I want to look at a different weapon

The word doc is weird

[buoyant maple]

Open in MS word

[drifting elk]

like the gif of the reload tech it makes it easier to understand

[buoyant maple]

Web page is weird

[wind spruce]

@plucky flax wait wth are you running surgical

[nocturne dust]

I don't have that

[plucky flax]

Yeah dawg it stacks so fast. Even at 2 stacks that's 20% free crit chance.

Good for specials.

[nocturne dust]

But pygex said bad

[buoyant maple]

Damn, welp

[plucky flax]

Well I am not as good as pygex.

[buoyant maple]

U could still download pdf I think

[nocturne dust]

Prove it

[buoyant maple]

It has built-in hyperlinks

[nocturne dust]

[buoyant maple]

I’ll retire the word document after steam version is done tho

[nocturne dust]

I mean I don't reference it enough for it to be much of a problem

[plucky flax]

Look at scoreboard above. 1 mil damage with bistol. Just some noob player.

(it was 90% assails)

[nocturne dust]

I think I last looked at vet a week ago when I was playing with @fiery stratus

or was that two weeks ago

[wind spruce]

Hrrrmm makes sense

[nocturne dust]

....it was more than a couple days ago

[buoyant maple]

The only problem I have with steam guide rn is the fact that it’ll have a pretty absurd amount of sections

[wind spruce]

But assail bad

[plucky flax]

Synnergies with DD (warp charge who xD)

[nocturne dust]

You can't, like, create false sections through just upping word size or something?

or is there some other issue

[buoyant maple]

If u mean headers within sections, that’s already done

[wind spruce]

But it clearly says garbage

[buoyant maple]

Sections are ones that show up in navigation panel

There’s an 8k character count limit per section

[plucky flax]

I am garbage player confirmed. Also what is execution?

[nocturne dust]

ah, that's dumb

[buoyant maple]

I was gonna do 1 weapon family per section but that turned out impossible

So now it’s 1 weapon variant per section and I cram as much detail in there as possible

Result is the axe video u just saw

[summer prairie]

execution might be kind of good with assail, they'll still be staggered by the time you shoot

[wind spruce]

Damage on staggered enemy iirc

[fiery stratus]

Just use voc ws, meta good

[wind spruce]

Is collateral even worth on bistol

[fiery stratus]

Fuck interesting builds

[summer prairie]

though if they have been hit by assail already, it will just overkill

except some ogryns

[plucky flax]

Yeah but my bistol target tend to die in 1 or 2 shots anyway.

I'd rather get the crit and potentially 1 shot it.

[buoyant maple]

Nah

[wind spruce]

Ya more mobility pls

[buoyant maple]

Even at 80 collateral it won’t break rager combo

[wind spruce]

Especially if I'm running slow bum weapon

[buoyant maple]

Not worth

[plucky flax]

Many ways to play bistol I guess it's just my way might be scuffed.

[nocturne dust]

Lol, I think that's too much effort I'm just going to have a disclaimer that says the guide is my opinion and give my general opinion and a basic explanation as to why. Detail is great but I ain't getting paid 😭

[buoyant maple]

Tbh that’s about as complex as it can get

Most other weapons don’t have as much detail going on

I did the most complex ones first (axe & plasma)

[potent echo]

I wish assail kept tracking after swapping though

As it is you need to hitconfirm the assail first before swapping

[buoyant maple]

Most other melee weapons don’t have dedicated builds for breakpoints and such

[nocturne dust]

I would prefer assail not track at all and just find targets mostly on its own (after the first on RMB, of course)

[potent echo]

Noh

[nocturne dust]

Yoh

[buoyant maple]

Besides after this is done I can like, very proudly say that my guide is the most comprehensive

[nocturne dust]

Well, the nice thing about a Psyker guide is it's really hard to be specific about numbers for a lot of things because of the way Psyker is

[buoyant maple]

Yea

[nocturne dust]

https://tenor.com/view/random-bullshit-go-moon-knight-random-random-bullshit-gif-25725102

[buoyant maple]

Like, me personally I would just not bother about 4 hit kill breakpoints from ranged weapons lol

More than 3 and I’m not considering it a breakpoint worth building for

[summer prairie]

yes

[nocturne dust]

All we can really say is we've done a bunch of field-testing and X way seems to be the best. Warp knows why.

(It's because of math. Lots of math.)

[plucky flax]

I would prefer assails to be rebuffed.

Too much nerfs.

[potent echo]

Assail now hits knife zealots

Best buff

[summer prairie]

should have unlimited flight time, until it hits cleave limit

[potent echo]

Then it will have unlimited range

[plucky flax]

Yeah should dump all assails and let it circle aorund you on auto seeking mode.

[nocturne dust]

[plucky flax]

[nocturne dust]

Range limits on most things is kinda stupid

[summer prairie]

only if I move closer, they would orbit the psyker until there are targets near the cursor

[nocturne dust]

Inferno/Trauma/Smite make sense

[plucky flax]

Also if you are hit the assails can sacrifice themselves to block 1 instance of damage per.

[potent echo]

And if you keep spinning while throwing assails you can amass a swarm of assails

[nocturne dust]

but like, assail and EK? I don't love that they have range limits for little reason

[potent echo]

[nocturne dust]

[plucky flax]

Wut if surge right click doesn't have range limit it'd be even more broken.

[nocturne dust]

The shrapnel staff I wanted, but blitz form

[summer prairie]

does debuff indicator not display stagger state anymore

[nocturne dust]

I've never had it do that but I got it semi-recently

Fatshark Recently™️

[plucky flax]

The past 3 days I've only played bistol and mk12 recon. I nearly achieve enlightenment now.

[summer prairie]

"Removed Stagger and Suppression from the mod options (they didn't work as intended) ." 1.4.0

[nocturne dust]

Ew

Abandon gunker

[summer prairie]

the next step is to drop mk12

[nocturne dust]

Embrace staffker

[summer prairie]

for full enlightenment

[wind spruce]

Imagine

[dapper shadow]

Anyone got a left click psyker build since the changes to the talent tree

[wind spruce]

Infinite knives floating around you as you enter an engagement

I just deleted my best recon by accident

[plucky flax]

FS suppressing psyker's tru power.

[wind spruce]

Honestly I'm tempted to just control a delete everything, it's easier than sorting through two years of buying good bases

[quick tulip]

At least we're post-weapon scarcity

[quartz barn]

Depends on the roll

[wind spruce]

Yeah I could give zero fucks

It's all replaceable

[quartz barn]

60/4×80 doesnt matter

[wind spruce]

If you want a lower dump stat yeah, that's harder

[quartz barn]

But 69/71 plasma would suck

Or a <60 roll ye

[nocturne dust]

We literally have a favorite system now to prevent this 😭

[quartz barn]

I always cuck myself with that lmao

Trying to dump the weapon at hadron but favorite says no

[plucky flax]

That's what I did when patch came out. Just deleted all and make good weapons then fav them. But I have a lot of mats so it's doable for me.

[nocturne dust]

th-then don't favorite it?

[wind spruce]

Yeah mb lmao

[nocturne dust]

What are you people doing with your weapons

[quartz barn]

Ye i just know based on the skins i put on them

[nocturne dust]

I still have the favorites mod

which changed to making favorite colors now

is nice for organizing favorites

[wind spruce]

Yeah I'm so done trying to sort it out. Took me like half an hour to do all the ranged. Going to delete all my melee weapons. Mats isn't a prob

[fiery stratus]

https://tenor.com/view/gorilla-monke-monkey-spin-ape-gif-25078721

where gamers

[quartz barn]

Work

[fiery stratus]

but its 4am

[quartz barn]

Grinding all day every day

[nocturne dust]

I can play like a single match

[fiery stratus]

just ignore work and live under a bridge like a chad

[quartz barn]

Besides sleep is xp waste

[nocturne dust]

Sleep gives you xp

You get xp without sleep, but you gotta bank it with sleep or you can't spend it

[wind spruce]

Feels good man

[quartz barn]

Dw my bank is full anyway

[little kayak]

Smite is OP because of fire setups, you can stun lock literally everything and kill any non elite it makes the game ez mode

[fiery stratus]

needa get my psyker to the triple digits

[little kayak]

It’s worse than plasma vet and also more boring

[fiery stratus]

everything else is hundreds of levels higher

[little kayak]

Smite needs a rework

[fiery stratus]

smites fun

fine*

[potent echo]

But teams still lose even with smite though

[fiery stratus]

when it used how it supposed to be it works fine

[little kayak]

Sure if you like playing walking simulator and not the game smite is fine ig

[fiery stratus]

youre using it wrong

[nocturne dust]

Just give smite a cooldown

[potent echo]

Better not catch any of y'all losing if you bring a smyker

[fiery stratus]

smite is used to give yourself breathing room, stop ragers, stop sticky situations

if you're holding enemies in place expecting teammates to clear it, you're doing it wrong

[nocturne dust]

I will grab defeat from the jaws of victory

My skill level ranges from the God-Emperor himself to nurgle's sleeper agent and you roll the dice if you play with me

[fiery stratus]

i dont use smite

assail go brrr

too braindead to change

[wintry niche]

Passive brain burster here

[nocturne dust]

I don't think I have smite on any build since KF got buffed

[wintry niche]

Since staff go brrr

[little kayak]

There is no using it wrong, you build soulfire and hold everything in place until it dies. It’s the most braindead build in the entire game

[potent echo]

There was one person earlier who said smite is the best and the other blitzes can't compete

[little kayak]

Not hyperbole

[fiery stratus]

except that doesnt work in auric

which is all that really matters because anything is viable below

[potent echo]

Ok bring smite into ranged only maelstrom

[nocturne dust]

@fiery stratus You wanna play a single round?

[fiery stratus]

sure

[nocturne dust]

lol, I have a crumb of time

[fiery stratus]

we'll fit one in

@granite kelp that happens sometimes, just gotta reselect your weapons/talents

[granite kelp]

dang

[spice flame]

Or maybe you've deleted a weapon/curios that was on your loadout

[little kayak]

That’s probably the only scenario I would use assail (meta speaking) and I would probably just play gunker anyway but I just like gaze

[fiery stratus]

assail is great for anything not armored

[little kayak]

Smite loses a lot of value outside of mixed hordes even though it is cheesy

[fiery stratus]

even flak gunners and whatnot it doesnt matter, goes right through

[little kayak]

Assail isn’t bad at all, it’s just that the smite-soul fire interaction is very toxic. All the trash dies to soulfire so your team just runs around and kills elites that are stunlocked in place and can’t fight back. It is very broken and very boring. The only thing it stops working on is bosses but you veteran is just going to delete it anyway with flaks so whatever lol

I like assail the best though

Mainly bc gunker moment

[plucky flax]

Assails pretty bad

Too many nerfs

Give back more damage faster recharge and rending interaction

[wintry niche]

Even with infinite blades with EP?

[potent echo]

Don't like eepy assail

[wintry niche]

I just can't make it work in auric

[potent echo]

I place more value on killing shooters than elites

Right keystone makes killing shooters more consistent

[wintry niche]

I always get chewed up by hordes, even with 3 zealots around me, idk if that is a team issue though

[radiant ice]

Assail is still great

[potent echo]

Positioning

[radiant ice]

It's just not a primary weapon anymore

[fiery stratus]

none of the psyker blitz are supposed to be primary weapons

they're tools for different situations

[potent echo]

You shouldn't be in the middle of a horde

[little kayak]

Depends on how good your vet/zealot is for sure. Assail/Gaze is the one man army build for psyker if you need to carry bad teammates

[fiery stratus]

its still for support

you're not gonna clutch auric only using smite/assail

[little kayak]

Hopefully your teammates are at least semi competent by then 💀

[summer prairie]

assail can be your primary

[potent echo]

I just play as if I'm playing solo most of the time

[ornate abyss]

Warp res. is dump right? On all force swords?

[fiery stratus]

people come to auric constantly only trying to smite

guess what they die most of the time

[wintry niche]

Idk getting tired of public auric, everyone still ALT+F4's

[potent echo]

How does another person alt f4 affect your enjoyment of auric

[obtuse walrus]

Just stop caring. That's literally all you have to do

[potent echo]

I've seen this opinion multiple times and I never understood

[wintry niche]

Because you get a bot for 5 mins. affecting the entire team

[potent echo]

That just means for kills for me

[fiery stratus]

best thing you can do for auric is learn to take care of and only worry about and survive yourself

[little kayak]

It’s usually bad players that can’t play psyker normally bc it’s squishy. You see it a lot on plasma vets too

[fiery stratus]

if you rely on teammates you're shooting yourself in the foot

[wind spruce]

What's your double barrel build

[little kayak]

Better ppl won’t use it bc it’s super boring

[ornate abyss]

Guys is warp resistence dump stat ?

[potent echo]

True

[potent echo]

Yes

[ornate abyss]

on all forceS swords too?

[potent echo]

Yuh

[fiery stratus]

better people do use it

they just use it correctly so you dont see it constantly

[potent echo]

Unless you have a specific playstyle you want to do, usually dump warp res on FS

[ornate abyss]

Yea right now I just want the "best" general version of every weapon

on all classes

[wintry niche]

Combat blade works on auric?

[mossy oyster]

it shits on auric maelstroms

cause its broken

[lone wing]

knife is one of the strongest weapons in the entire game

[wintry niche]

What do you slap on it?

[potent echo]

You have quell on crits for shotgun?

Does it work per unit hit?

[mossy oyster]

why wouldnt I

id have to ask a numbers nerd

or test in psyk

[wind spruce]

Is tranq through slaughter worth?

Only procs once per shot right?

[potent echo]

4% peril quell per shot

[lone wing]

iirc no each pellet is part of the same bullet technically. so a crit shot is just every pellet

[mossy oyster]

I like using it I think its good, up to you if you think its worth

[potent echo]

[wind spruce]

Great minds haha

Seems bad tbh

[potent echo]

I love vibe builds

[mossy oyster]

up to ya to try it and decide that

for how I use it

its good in the build

[wind spruce]

My Cursed double barrel build

[obtuse walrus]

I need the two hander right fucking now

[mossy oyster]

shimeji simulation

[potent echo]

So true bestie

[mossy oyster]

based

[mossy oyster]

🍳

[quartz barn]

6 days

[potent echo]

I forgor what my DB build was

[quartz barn]

Atleast theres ff ulti raid race to watch

And thatll take the entire week anyway

[mossy oyster]

ive gone from 100 to like 70 with 2 man stopper shots into a crowd with TTS

I like it

[wind spruce]

Feels like battle meditation would do more

[obtuse walrus]

I just cast spells. Shadow wizard money and all that

[mossy oyster]

battle meditation has 10% chance compared to guaranteed quell

[wind spruce]

But it's 4%

[mossy oyster]

i think ill stick to guaranteed

[wind spruce]

(And slowdown)

[quartz barn]

Quell on crit works better with recon tbh

[mossy oyster]

and

lmfao

[potent echo]

It's not 100 to 70 it's 100 to 96

[wind spruce]

Definitely OP with recon

[quartz barn]

You just dont gain peril lmao

[wind spruce]

I've been running this with recon and heavy sword

[quartz barn]

But i need to tune it better

[mossy oyster]

im so glad im not enslaved to psykinetics aura

like actual soyker mains

[quartz barn]

As in, shoot, reload at the right time to keep scriers up, mag dump

[mossy oyster]

lmfao

[wind spruce]

For bosses you just spray a lil, brain burst, then spray back down to zero peril

[wind spruce]

I see it as not enslaved to assail

I get sick of it haha

[quartz barn]

Because rn my peril fills up instantly on reload

[mossy oyster]

yknow

thats a good point fair enough

i like mixing assail into alot of situations

[ornate abyss]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9d74f735-2389-4650-b053-a2b73f38f8e4/psionic-bulwark-mk-2 Thoughts on this build? It was used to solo kill DH and is tanky

[potent echo]

Reload talent is horrible

[wind spruce]

Plus brain burst kinetic resonance scriers warp unbound is a vibe

[potent echo]

Never run it

[wind spruce]

I love it

[potent echo]

It even procs when it doesn't work

Like why

[summer prairie]

but that's good

[mossy oyster]

reload talent + Dbarrel+ warp rider

expand your mind

[summer prairie]

you want to keep your peril up

[potent echo]

I can do the same by throwing assail

[mossy oyster]

assail isnt 1 shotting maulers

[wind spruce]

Feels so good with double barrel

[mossy oyster]

now is it

[wind spruce]

Try harder

[mossy oyster]

unlike the dbarrel

[potent echo]

I can shoot shotgun while throwing assails

[mossy oyster]

lmfao

[obtuse walrus]

I just run voids trike, mk5 force sword and do a bunch of warp shenanigans

🥶

[potent echo]

And you can't convince me the reload speed does anything substantial

[wind spruce]

I don't get it

25% reload is based

[potent echo]

I use both barrels

[mossy oyster]

nah but you can act like there isnt a stick up your ass about it

lmfao

reload speed talent good

[wind spruce]

Ew no

[mossy oyster]

just not for everyone or every build

[potent echo]

When stacked together it barely does anything

[wind spruce]

Always act like giant stick up bum

[mossy oyster]

I never used the reload talent until I tried it on dbarrel

[wind spruce]

Well that's fair but who's running noth barrels when there's scattershot and the crit talent

[mossy oyster]

worth

[mossy oyster]

actual reload speed + manstopper + scatter

[wind spruce]

It feels so fast I love it

[fiery stratus]

@nocturne dust gg ezpz

[ornate abyss]

this is easiest done when having full aggro of a DH right?

[potent echo]

For situations where I want DB I usually want both barrels

Any other situation assail or melee solves it

[fiery stratus]

i barely ever fire both barrels tbh

[mossy oyster]

then you arent using DB enough

[potent echo]

Yea I can use DB more

[fiery stratus]

the hipfire has hella cleave so i just end up doing that

[potent echo]

It's my playstyle preference to not

[mossy oyster]

RMB 1 shots maulers

my bad can

1 shot maulers

[fiery stratus]

sure but so does ds4

[mossy oyster]

but its super consistent

oh youre one of those people

no point in continuing this convo then

kek

[fiery stratus]

if im gonna have a slow gun im gonna give it a fast melee

[mossy oyster]

DBarrel = slow

[potent echo]

See who's the one with the stick up the bum

[mossy oyster]

TTS exists

[fiery stratus]

slower than quite a few lol

[mossy oyster]

me ignoring a weapon being good by stating one of the most broken weapons in the game

genius

[quartz barn]

Oggy with shield vs gunner squad

[fiery stratus]

im telling you my use case, please be condesending though

[quartz barn]

Very easy on mostly gunners, mostly scab AM

Or just run shield oggy and stay in the front to aggro everything

[fiery stratus]

ogryn slaps down special with shield

it aint much but its honest work

instant mutant/dog/trapper

[echo root]

Pretty bad setup on your weapons IMO, not a huge fan of the talent tree either.

[quartz barn]

Toughness + bleed on charged heavy

Free clutch

[ornate abyss]

Allegedly the sword is pretty much unlimited dodge and parry/block everything

[fiery stratus]

some setup can block dh indefinitely pretty much

[echo root]

Your staff should have Flak + Unyield/Crit Chance. The burn ticks and LMB/RMB always hits the chest of a target no matter where you aim, most targets have flak on their chest. (Creeping Flames will also benefit from this as long as you have the staff in your hands)

Deflector is a noobtrap IMO, sliding already dodges ranged and pushing is better than blocking in 99% of cases.

Penetrating flames is terrible compared to Blaze Away. (Blaze away also increases dot damage)

[fiery stratus]

idk what though

[mossy oyster]

a blue stimm and KD

or just dont block everything and actually dodge the appropiate dodge spots and block the flurries

[fiery stratus]

or just use a box and dont have to do anything at all

walk around in a circle

[mossy oyster]

you were talking about blocking indefinitely tho

whered box jank come in

[fiery stratus]

its nearly the same thing, so much environmental shit to use

dh is pretty ez to cheese

[echo root]

You can already tank demonhost indefinitely by blocking -> sliding / dodging -> repeat

[fiery stratus]

dbs more fun on zealot i think

that talent that tightens the spread is kinda ridiculous

[autumn lark]

Para im pret sure double barrel has innate carapace damage

[mossy oyster]

no

its carapace damage is ass (inspect it for yourself)

I aim at the dick or center mass for mauler 1 shots

even 2 LMB bodyshots with buffs is enough on maulers

[stark crown]

Flak armor vs the force of 1000 suns

Besides it’s Manstopper with a guaranteed Crit

That Crit is going to delete so many fucking things in front of you

[mossy oyster]

https://medal.tv/games/warhammer-40000-darktide/clips/j8tmKeuHOTxppo7F3?invite=cr-MSxIY3AsMzAyNTAyNTYyLA

dont worry bro im sure zealot is doing this

every zealot with a dbarrel can do this

surely

[fiery stratus]

that uh

doesnt seem that crazy tbh

[mossy oyster]

me when im in a downplaying dogshitter competition and my opponent is psyker chat

unbeatable fr

[fiery stratus]

l;ol

no need to get mad

[stark crown]

If I see the sheer mention of Macro I will not acknowledge any opinion

[autumn lark]

Massive soulflame procs and scrier boosted damage

[stark crown]

But he’s literally running every speed buff with DB

He can keep up with an IJ stacked zealot

What else, deleting entire waves in a click of a button

It’s a fucking crazy build 🚬

[fiery stratus]

i guess

probably does a ton of damage, but tbh ive always considered trash shit to be a gimmie

[stark crown]

It’s staff psyker with an actual drawback cause you have something called ammo

He tripled the damage of a Vet and a Zealot

Tripled

[ornate abyss]

what's the best version of deimos ?

there are many options

[stark crown]

Soyker is the favorite child of Fatshark

[ornate abyss]

the build is very weak to stuff that is not melee, but I did get the block penance tho

[summer prairie]

hotfix

"We have temporarily removed Chasm Station HL-16-11 and Magistrati Oubliette TM8-707 from the mission board until Grim Protocols releases (Dec 3) due to an issue that would sometimes occur and prevent players from ending the mission."

good feature

[echo root]

Deimos for single target, Illisi or how you spell it for horde clear.
Purgatus already does horde clear, so Deimos is the better choice IMO.
Deimos doesn't have bad horde clear either.
Light attack -> instant heavy attack before the light attack finishes knocks crushers to the floor on headshot.

[ornate abyss]

how about blessings/perks on the force swords? What do I want? uncanny on all?

[tough obsidian]

fellas can ya verify this for me

since i barely use em

is it just me or can you steer assail?

or is that intentional?

[rose fable]

ya u can im pretty sure

[polar crypt]

I don't think so they kinda do what they want

[rose fable]

it always felt like they go were i aim to an extent

[polar crypt]

is there any particular good way to get this done

[tough obsidian]

thats what it feels like to me too

[rose fable]

just keep throwing out ur shield for allies

[polar crypt]

yeah I guess

[quartz barn]

Place bubble forward

[rose fable]

i use it literally all the time

[quartz barn]

So rather than putting it on yourself you use it like a wall and push towards it

[rose fable]

^^^

[quartz barn]

It ends up soaking more dmg that way

[rose fable]

or i use it as a wall when im running away

[quartz barn]

And obv play auric cuz more enemies

[mossy oyster]

they go towards the center of your screen, if you RMB with shards already out you can re-direct who they are targeting

and RMB is a guaranteed assail dart (at least it says so) on whoever you're RMBing

[upper sun]

does the rending talent actually work or is it just bad?

[wintry niche]

10% rending above 75% peril?

[tough obsidian]

genuinely did not notice this

[upper sun]

ye

[fiery stratus]

they stay within your sight, you cant really aim them. But if you throw a couple then look away they won't hit the target

other than the inital charged throw i guess, but they kinda just hit whatever is within your view

[wintry niche]

Ditched it in my build for other nodes

[echo root]

Uncanny / Riposte / Precognition / Slaughterer

Any combo of these really

[late sapphire]

if you toss some out and then aim (rmb) on an enemy they home in

the rmb throw also always homes in on the target then behaves like a normal shard

[late sapphire]

uncanny on deimos, slaughterer on illisi, then uncanny/slaughterer/deflector in the 2nd slot - deflector kinda sucks though but it's a very popular utiltiy blessing

[polar crypt]

okay well I guess I'm just gonna roll bot missions until I find one that spawns like 15 gunners and 10 reapers at the start and then I will stand there blocking shots until I get the penance

[late sapphire]

riposte is b tier precog sucks

[summer prairie]

the hotfix breaks all mods by the way

[fiery stratus]

@polar crypt vigil station has a section where theres normally a lot of gunners shooting at the middle

[upper sun]

"We have temporarily removed Chasm Station HL-16-11 and Magistrati Oubliette TM8-707 from the mission board until Grim Protocols releases (Dec 3) due to an issue that would sometimes occur and prevent players from ending the mission."
i am frothing at the mouth with rage rn

[fiery stratus]

beyond that theres also mostly ranged maelstroms

[summer prairie]

dt mod launcher needs to be updated

[polar crypt]

thanks

[tough obsidian]

i did not know this

[wind spruce]

Why wtf is relay station always such a low damage mission

[polar crypt]

'ranged maelstroms' huh, I'll check it out

[fiery stratus]

id just wait for the ranged maelstroms then slap that build on tbh

[mossy oyster]

i replied with that info earlier

[wind spruce]

Like total 1 mill enemy health

[mossy oyster]

lol

[fiery stratus]

its on the timer though unfortunately

[tough obsidian]

mb sibling

[mossy oyster]

no biggie

[late sapphire]

Hold on i can disable crossplay?

[mossy oyster]

🤙

[tough obsidian]

https://tenor.com/view/woody-toy-story-buzz-dab-me-up-dab-up-gif-26395273

[fiery stratus]

https://tenor.com/view/mandark-dexter’s-laboratory-laughing-evil-laugh-gif-8584847386607130099

no

[late sapphire]

another assail detail is that they don't really home in on heads well but if you rmb and toss the shard slightly upwards / hop then you can guarantee a headshot

[tough obsidian]

interesting

im trying to go like full on telekinesis since

i think that shit is neat

[fiery stratus]

yeah but if you want the use case, just dump them into gunner/rager groups then continue

[tough obsidian]

https://tenor.com/view/warhammer-40k-warhammer-astartes-astartes-project-space-marine-gif-16568112402508265140

wish i could be like this though

[late sapphire]

It's a little gimmick useful for killing that one annoying sniper who for some reason would take only 494 out of 500 damage on a bodyshot

[rose fable]

thats why i go full smite, i think its so satisfying just stopping all the enemies in their tracks while the team destroys them from the safety of my bubble.

[potent echo]

nooo my mods

[fiery stratus]

ladies and gentlemen

we got one

[grim pike]

what's the deal with Scier's Gaze voidstrike? Just use stare at the warp unbound timer?

[fiery stratus]

@rose fable unfortunately that tactic only works for so long with certain difficulties. And also occasionally with mostly melee modifiers and whatnot. Eventually you're gonna find your teammates are gonna scatter like rats when you're trying to do that.

[tough obsidian]

smite i think is really cool

i use it on my main build with venting shriek and EP

[late sapphire]

shriek ep smite kills stuff though

[tough obsidian]

and electro staff

[late sapphire]

Not quickly but reliably enough

[rose fable]

ive been doing it on auric level 4 and been fine, ya the team scatters sometimes but my shield makes up for me being squishy, i got my blaze sword and my double barrel

[tough obsidian]

exactly, thats why i like it

[late sapphire]

auric heresy 😴

[fiery stratus]

Problem is you cant stay within the bubble a lot of times, you get pushed out. Surrounding fire/gas whatever will just displace you even further

[rose fable]

ya thats very true, idk the strat works real well 90% of the time for me and im always miced up with my party to so comms really help for it to be more viable

[late sapphire]

Playing with reliable teammates is cheating

[rose fable]

i didnt say reliable i said miced up

[echo root]

What is this heresy

[fiery stratus]

All I'm gonna say is if you use smite in auric, and you don't know the melee/movement fundamentals.You're not doing youself any favors.

brain no worky

wrong blitz

[late sapphire]

The truth wdym

[rose fable]

i started full melee so i like to think im pretty good, i can hold my own against big guys at least until the bck up shows up

[echo root]

No, it's heresy

[wispy bay]

Bubble upgrade with toughness regen is the best way to go through tox gas condition

[rose fable]

indeed

[wispy bay]

Bubble out regen the gas damage

[late sapphire]

Force swords don't have an impressive crit multiplier

[fiery stratus]

Smite is supposed to be used moreso for stopping packs of ragers, sticky situations what have you. Not really intended to hold each individual group as you go along.

[rose fable]

it works that way as well tho

so if the team can deal the damage why not play support until needed

[fiery stratus]

Yes for a period, if your teammates want to comply with that very limited playstyle

[marble crater]

Best support is just killing the enemies yourself

[rose fable]

i get that but how is having the enemies stand still a bad thing

and its not like smite dosent do damage as well especially with empower

[quartz barn]

Blaze trauma gameplay

[late sapphire]

Because you could also have the enemies explode and die

Instantly, even

[fiery stratus]

the problem is they stand there, and if you dont know how to deal yourself, your teammates can very easily leave you in the lurch

[late sapphire]

ep shriek smite is super powerful though

It's just really boring

[rose fable]

i love it

[late sapphire]

No issue getting 1mil+ damage in auric mael runs, it scales really well

[rose fable]

i feel like a sith lord throwin lightning

[wispy bay]

Smite for 3 sec, the time needed to stun enemy, then melee, then smite them again

Work great

[late sapphire]

Smite for 10s then shriek and smite for 10s then shriek and

[rose fable]

yup, then throw in my shotgun everynow and then and u start clearing house

[wispy bay]

I use void strike

[rose fable]

i use to use electric staff but its boring

so be doom guy with shotgun and lightning

[wispy bay]

Half charge can penetrate through trash mobs

[wispy bay]

Then you pick the wrong class

[rose fable]

meh i like what i do and it works for me so oh well

its not stupid if it works

[fiery stratus]

idk about that one

plenty of stupid things work

[wispy bay]

Look at the zealot, chainsaw, DB Shotgun, and ability and keystone that are literally rage and too angry to die.

[rose fable]

thats what imma play next

looks like alot of fun

[wispy bay]

I mean, you want to be Doomguy

[mossy oyster]

https://medal.tv/games/warhammer-40000-darktide/clips/j8RTWi95jywNLwBc2?invite=cr-MSw3aHcsMzAyNTAyNTYyLA

[rose fable]

i already am tho, and i get lightning so best of both worlds

[wispy bay]

I run off meta more often than not, so I'm not telling you what work best for you.

[mossy oyster]

doom guy doesnt use lightning

buster

[rose fable]

i know that lol

i didnt say he did

[wispy bay]

Zealot "too angry to die" passive is quite insane, not even sniper can deplete my toughness

In auric damnation btw

[mossy oyster]

dbarrel gunker is more efficient without lightning

imo

no need to stun just explode everything with a dbarrel

[wispy bay]

Or use DB shotgun with vet, you never need to reload it

[fiery stratus]

but they stay in place and die

[wispy bay]

Like literally

[fiery stratus]

why change

[rose fable]

but its way more fun with lightning, i think at least

[mossy oyster]

if thats what makes it more fun for you then theres no problem

i did say its better without lightning imo

[rose fable]

whats imo

[mossy oyster]

in my opinion

[rose fable]

ohhhh

[late sapphire]

Fun fact the charge makes you completely invincible while charging

You can use it to dodge burster explosions and the like

[late sapphire]

did you get eaten

[mossy oyster]

no lol

had to save cole from the CS command grab though

[wispy bay]

I do that all the time to kill trapper

[polar crypt]

I don't know how I am going to live without mods, kill me

[fiery stratus]

the only mod you can even see ingame for me is healthbars

even those are only on ogryns and shit

[summer prairie]

just having to run around the hub is too much

[polar crypt]

yeah I started using that yesterday, I was like hm do I really need this, then I thought about it for a moment and was like wait this sounds really useful I do need it

[radiant ice]

I guess I ain't closing my game and risking the "fix" to break all my mods XD

Although, does anyone know why this straight up doesn't do anything? XD

Tempted to uninstall it

[fiery stratus]

healthbars are useful. You can put them on anything if you really want

but i wouldnt suggest it because of the clutter on screen

[late sapphire]

I wouldn't want auto vault

[marble crater]

PC players 1 hour without mods:

https://tenor.com/view/im-literally-dying-ken-jeong-chevy-chase-ben-gif-13964011

[late sapphire]

I'd even turn it off if it was a setting

[fiery stratus]

to vault all you do is hit space and hold your crouch at the same time

[radiant ice]

I do want it, but it doesn't work XD

[polar crypt]

this was me 5 seconds without mods, I am now totally dead

[radiant ice]

Except I have rebound dodge to space and jump/vault to V

Cause accidentally jumping when trying to dodge is the worst

[fiery stratus]

see you shouldnt have done that

[late sapphire]

Can't hit space and shift at the same time on my shitty keyboard 😢

[fiery stratus]

if you force yourself to learn the dodging it becomes muscle memory and you'll never jump when you dont need to

but if your timing is off you'll jump instead

[radiant ice]

I mean it's been years and years now

Considering I had the same setup in VT2 and I playtested this game

[summer prairie]

3500 hours of space to dodge

[polar crypt]

I know the timing I just don't want to have to be like 'oh oops my controls failed me and I jumped for no reason and 0.3s in the air killed me'

[late sapphire]

I have dodge on alt

[radiant ice]

Yup exactly

[fiery stratus]

nah dodge space good

[marble crater]

I have dodge on LB

[fiery stratus]

dodge/jump on space good

[late sapphire]

based

[polar crypt]

I might just set jump to V, I use V to jump in FFXIV too

I sure don't need it for voice

[fiery stratus]

better to have fewer activations of things across fewer buttons

[radiant ice]

I think you are like the only PC player I've ever met that has the same jump/dodge button

[fiery stratus]

incorrect

[radiant ice]

Other than total new players

Correct

[fiery stratus]

Now that is very incorrect

[radiant ice]

I said that "I've met"

[late sapphire]

Dual bindings suck man

[polar crypt]

tying multiple actions to one key is a console gamer thing and I hate it

[late sapphire]

I NEVER want a button to do two things

[late sapphire]

🤝

[wispy bay]

I use space for both jump and dodge

[polar crypt]

I have like 138 keys on this board here right I kinda want to use more than like three

[fiery stratus]

if you can get used to the fact that you cant dodge forward, and you can only vault going forward. Its not an issue

[radiant ice]

Or you know, you could actually use the benefit of owning a keyboard

[polar crypt]

it always drove me nuts in Warframe that, what, R? or F? or something, is like five things

[wispy bay]

Though, I play with ESDF instead of WASD

[polar crypt]

interesting

[fiery stratus]

lol if you guys really like hand contortionism as your set up you do you

[radiant ice]

Moving your thumb one centimetre up for V instead of space isn't contortionism XD

[fiery stratus]

gotta go over the space bar, seems like you could accidently hit dodge

[radiant ice]

If you feel it is, you really need to do some hand stretches

[wispy bay]

V has other functions in my other games

[marble crater]

I think it's only for switching weapons in Darktide, other things are a combination of buttons, which is fine as you don't really use them often. But not being able to switch from blitz right to staff is a bit sad

[wispy bay]

But like, I use A as my ability key

[polar crypt]

oh I don't even use that

I have never really liked quick-swap weapon keys, even in like HL2