psyker-class

[nocturne dust]

it does boost soulblaze damage

[late sapphire]

???

i am objectively right

[proper osprey]

Wildfire is good

[nocturne dust]

It's more complex than 'adds a few meters'

[slender coyote]

wait so damage stat on inferno is important now?

[nocturne dust]

always has been

[proper osprey]

It’s description is weird and doesn’t really do what it says lol

[nocturne dust]

but moreso now, yes

[proper osprey]

All of them but warp res

[slender coyote]

I thought it was burn and cloud radius that mattered the most

[late sapphire]

if wildfire worked like the description says it would be peakest peak

[slender coyote]

wow ok

[nocturne dust]

But it does work like the description says, it's just super vague

[late sapphire]

as is yeah it is just a lil extra spread equivalent to precooking enemies a meter or two further away a sec or two

[slender coyote]

Wow is that lucky or is it not

oh wiat im stupid

[nocturne dust]

And all around

[slender coyote]

pls ignoring

[proper osprey]

More bullet pre bullets

[nocturne dust]

and in fire reborn aid

and more stacks for more stacking

[proper osprey]

I’d get rid of it

You want 60 in warp res

[slender coyote]

I SAID

pls ignoring

[nocturne dust]

I'd keep it and never use it for my collection

[proper osprey]

[nocturne dust]

Must have a staff with every dump

[south gull]

purge staff is too reliant on your team being competent

[nocturne dust]

Actually it's inverse

[proper osprey]

Not really

[nocturne dust]

Purge staff relies on your team being incompetent so that enemies actually reach you

[proper osprey]

I’ve clutched with it a few times

[queen fog]

i use brain burst to try to make up for the purge staff's lack of range, so if something like a out of range specialist is giving me or the team the business

[proper osprey]

This was with purg psyker lol

[queen fog]

i just pop their head and go back to bein a flame sprinkler

[nocturne dust]

I've had bolter vets delete everything before purg could cook 😭

[proper osprey]

I use the knife for rending and mobility

Helps the clutch

[queen fog]

Navigator helmet drip, i knew my fellow siblings had good taste

[nocturne dust]

knife good staffker support tool

[proper osprey]

Best one

[proper osprey]

I like purg because it kills everything but curshers but I just out space them and kill them with knife or bb

My purg psyker had 22 melee kills one game lol

[nocturne dust]

https://tenor.com/view/kid-knife-running-with-knives-gif-13862209

[slender coyote]

i use deimos so i can stagger carapace and also block bullets

[proper osprey]

I hate force swords

[slender coyote]

ok

[nocturne dust]

Deimos is the best force sword because it doesn't need the special

[proper osprey]

I’d rather just use ds

[nocturne dust]

[slender coyote]

Btw is this still optimal deimos?

[nocturne dust]

no

dump warp res

[lone ravine]

iirc as long as you're not using special spam isilli its always warp dump

[slender coyote]

ok got it

[nocturne dust]

deimos doesn't use the special

[slender coyote]

ive been told otherwise in the past oof

[nocturne dust]

lmao

h2 is the special but better

[lone ravine]

and faster

[nocturne dust]

and safer

[patent mango]

deimos force sword
look inside
its just a sword

[nocturne dust]

This is why it should have deflector by default

[patent mango]

so weird the special is just kinda there

[nocturne dust]

I love it

specials are dumb

well, charge specials that is

[lone ravine]

im gonna be honest i barely use specials at all

[analog agate]

Those are still most important. Meta has just changed because we all have access to god rolls now. So why not get max dmg if you can

[patent mango]

make the special just imbue it with warp to do more dmg but cost peril per hit

🔥

[nocturne dust]

I would love toggle specials like that

[patent mango]

it'd be so epic

[lone ravine]

honestly toggle specials on melee would be wild

psword gets toggle special fr fr

[fluid thistle]

I'll toggle your special

[patent mango]

i really hope force gs has either some low range warp projectile or can be imbued with warp

[patent mango]

cause charge specials are usually kinda guhhh

[nocturne dust]

https://tenor.com/view/40k-commissar-chainsword-gif-19397214

[lone ravine]

like legend of zelda sword beam type thing?

[nocturne dust]

only weapons I like charge specials on are thammer and evis

[patent mango]

moonlight gs lmao

[patent mango]

i like the ones that dont hold me in place

[nocturne dust]

although I still dislike certain aspects of it

[nocturne dust]

Yeah, evis holding you down is stupid

[analog agate]

That’s… actually a really cool idea

[patent mango]

like just do the dmg in 1 go instead of just sawing them for 1s....

[patent mango]

i just want a proper way to build peril with melee tbh

[lone ravine]

imagine if evis special was turning it into a like 5 second chainsaw like how l4d2 has it

just maul everything infront of you while holding m1

[fluid thistle]

is this from rogue trader? 😂

[nocturne dust]

🤷‍♂️

Darktide is the only wh40k game I play

[nocturne dust]

yes

[late sapphire]

You wanna know what darktide needs

[patent mango]

unchained subclass for psyker

[fluid thistle]

ogryns with chainswords?

[broken carbon]

making the mk3 evis good?

[late sapphire]

You are all right

But what i need darktide to need is a simulator addon for the psykhanium that lets me objectively prove warpfire sucks

[broken carbon]

simulator?

just use creature spawner

[patent mango]

give psyker a 4th iron arm keystone for melee

[late sapphire]

Let me stick in a build and enemy positions and queue up some actions so i can test builds with 1 to 1 the same enemies and actions

[nocturne dust]

That won't be possible unless it's not 1-1 with real matches because warpfire good

[late sapphire]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/640690634621190144/1305874429955276800/gkxdm8lfozub1.jpeg?ex=67349dd6&is=67334c56&hm=f8f2686fd567ae0d4d1c41cc812ed0fa73f7fd7fef38e8d989235a253d7f4a13&

[pliant stratus]

Is that basically psykers in a nutshell

[nocturne dust]

https://tenor.com/view/squidward-throws-brain-away-spongebob-gif-5749546

[drifting elk]

how do you play gunker with vraks v without immediately running out of ammo. asking for a friend

[patent mango]

sword

[edgy garnet]

Can staff secondary attacks crit?

[nocturne dust]

sword and assail

gunker is meleeker is assailker

[drifting elk]

no psych aura and using assail feels bad

[edgy garnet]

Just tried out assail for the first time, and got damn is it fun.

[late sapphire]

i've been meaning to make a psyker version of this image but i can't be arsed

[jovial juniper]

Yes
What blessing you looking at?

[nocturne dust]

Then don't play gunker, weakling

[edgy garnet]

Warp nexus

[pliant stratus]

For the memes

[edgy garnet]

And just in general

[drifting elk]

trauma shriek gayming

[patent mango]

u dont need assail for gunker anyways

[nocturne dust]

You kinda do

They have toughness issues otherwise

[drifting elk]

this is my thought process

[patent mango]

its just kinda there usually

[drifting elk]

this is my experience

[nocturne dust]

Assail is the main way to generate peril/warp kills for soulstealer.

[jovial juniper]

It's because the Surge blessing allows Voidstrike to shoot two projectiles on the secondary if it crits but doesn't work on the M2 of the other staves

[drifting elk]

i will try to make this work

[nocturne dust]

Gunker you just constantly swap between assail and the other thing you actually want to use

[drifting elk]

also voidstrike, why is assail popular with that again

[nocturne dust]

Always has been?

Because assail clears the one thing voidstrike is weak against: scattered enemies

[drifting elk]

i c

[nocturne dust]

Also, psykinetics is good but Scrier's doesn't really need it and shriekspam needs psyk and warp charges, and warp charges pale in comparison to DD on guns and voidstrike

and melee

and assail

[edgy garnet]

Is void strike the electric staff?

[nocturne dust]

really warp charges are only better on the staves that literally can't hit heads

[nocturne dust]

I will bowling ball you

[edgy garnet]

[jovial juniper]

Voidstrike is bowling ball

Lol

[edgy garnet]

WHAT

[jovial juniper]

Electrokinectic is the zap staff

[nocturne dust]

The electric staff is, it turns out, electrokinetic

[edgy garnet]

Ohhhh, void is the blow air up your ass one?

[nocturne dust]

I wish I had a blackhole staff

Fatshark plz

Let me suck

🙏

[jovial juniper]

Voidstrike is the shoot big ball one

Voidblast is the ground explosion

[nocturne dust]

Voidstrike is the staff that you can use your special to melee with.

[jovial juniper]

Inferno is the flamethrower

[nocturne dust]

[edgy garnet]

I have literally never used or seen that staff yet

[radiant frigate]

i would like if it was actually decidedly different from other melees

[jovial juniper]

Oh you should look it up
Give it a few runs

[edgy garnet]

So warp nexus is good for L1’s only? Except for voidstrike secondary?

[radiant frigate]

i have mentioned this before, but imagine

builds peril on each swing
quells on block

parry special

[jovial juniper]

Warp Nexus is good for primary and secondary

[zinc phoenix]

HOT

instant top melee for SG if the moveset isn’t regarded

[radiant frigate]

makes the peril reduction talents worth something

[zinc phoenix]

Also I want some glowy flames when I swing the bish

[radiant frigate]

it would be cool to just have a force sword that is Always On

[edgy garnet]

Sorry, I was thinking surge. Surge only works on Voidstrike secondary, but also the primary of all staffs?

[zinc phoenix]

Billing me peril per swing

[radiant frigate]

(and big)

[nocturne dust]

https://tenor.com/view/light-pug-blast-tongue-gif-14401966

[zinc phoenix]

Thicc sword

[patent mango]

yeee

[radiant frigate]

and perhaps some kind of projectile attack

[edgy garnet]

I’m an 900hr vet main, with psyker as my second character, so I don’t know shit

[radiant frigate]

on fully charged heavies perhaps

[lone ravine]

empower deimos to turn it into a laser beam of warp energy fr fr

[clear heath]

how does this with KD?

quell on block and gain peril on block?

[lone ravine]

id imagine that itd quell peril less than the block cost to gain peril on block

since KD is 25% it'll probably be 15-20%

[patent mango]

if force gs has slash projectiles it'd be cool to have a horizontal horde clear one and a vertical big dmg one

[lone ravine]

grail knight sword ult as special would go hard

[south gull]

Still no force greatsword

[nocturne dust]

https://tenor.com/view/anime-fate-zero-saber-excalibur-gif-21673490

[lone ravine]

deals 10 dmg to carapace

[nocturne dust]

[patent mango]

cut crusher in half 🔥

[nocturne dust]

Just make it have a cooldown

[lone ravine]

honestly some over the top shit for psyker would go hard

give me a weapon made of pure warp energy that builds peril when held

have that shit just manifest infront of the psyker when they pull it out

[patent mango]

make it build up purple peril which takes a long time to quell

[radiant frigate]

moonlight greatsword returns

[lone ravine]

holy shit the robot next to hadron actual has voicelines?

[zinc phoenix]

Explode on game 🤯

[radiant frigate]

where true mentor

where guiding moonlight..

[patent mango]

stuck in ps prison

[radiant frigate]

😭

[nocturne dust]

I would need that weapon to just stop working once you hit 100 peril

[zinc phoenix]

Why does anime always have to look so stupid 😞

[radiant frigate]

das okay

we quell

[nocturne dust]

Die.

[lone ravine]

hell imagine a psyker weapon that works like kerillians staff, long lockout if you peril, but you dont go down only taking like half your hp in dmg

[patent mango]

assail knife weapon

[zinc phoenix]

“Wowee glowing lights woowoo”

🚮

[radiant frigate]

https://tenor.com/view/dungeon-meshi-izutsumi-yap-yapping-fast-gif-101382879199063858

[patent mango]

https://tenor.com/view/rain-world-slug-pup-slugpup-rainworld-golden-slugpup-gif-10782127558544416935

[nocturne dust]

The thing is melee is the backup weapon. If it doesn't just handle itself in bad situations and you actually have to manage it you're going to get smushed.

[radiant frigate]

we've been over this

[patent mango]

force gs has to be good enough to be the primary

[radiant frigate]

it is your backup

i want it to be a primary

[patent mango]

it'd be funny if it had long draw times

[radiant frigate]

it'd b e funnier if it also took your ranged slot

[patent mango]

to incentivize using it for longer

[lone ravine]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-deranged-mental-cat-insane-cat-crazy-cat-gif-10172547694494451971

[nocturne dust]

https://tenor.com/view/tang-keke-love-live-superstar-anime-liella-glow-sticks-gif-22770625

[zinc phoenix]

🚯

[nocturne dust]

well sure but your ranged doesn't work as a backup

[radiant frigate]

not with that attitude

[patent mango]

take bistol

[nocturne dust]

so once your melee is out and you're surrounded, wat, u die?

[zinc phoenix]

It’d be funny to see people using this concept sword dying to pox walkers 😂

I support that

[patent mango]

sheer will sword

it'd be funny

[zinc phoenix]

I mean it’d be mandatory to take crack of bone

[jovial juniper]

Grut me
This art style is getting to me

[zinc phoenix]

Ewww

[patent mango]

for it to work with scriers gaze it'd need to work while warp unbound is up

[late sapphire]

pants creamed

fatshark hire this fella

[nocturne dust]

https://tenor.com/view/konosuba-megumin-cute-anime-gif-17885106

[patent mango]

the day darktide gets a full melee psyker is when it goes out of beta

[radiant frigate]

i support this

[zinc phoenix]

I think I would prefer that the special turn on a glowy fire mode that causes swings to cost peril and blocking to reduce it

But standard uses no peril either way

[patent mango]

wheres the spellblade....

[nocturne dust]

Yeah

[zinc phoenix]

That way you can be toggled out of the goomba mode

[nocturne dust]

Have it be a toggle into mode

[patent mango]

i do want a proper permanent toggle weapon

it'd be cool

[nocturne dust]

Stance changes

[upper sun]

you get bolter but with a toggle fire mode

instead of a gun bash special

[patent mango]

2nd fire mode shoots all bullets at once so you go flying

[upper sun]

no

single fire and normal burst fire

stop wanting fun things

[patent mango]

its joever...

[nocturne dust]

psyker force gun, special toggle to shoot bullets made of warp magic that randomly teleport enemies

[late sapphire]

They should add a weapon with actual combos

[nocturne dust]

Embrace the chaos

[late sapphire]

special lmb lmb rmb block cancel lmb to uppercut decapitate a mutie

[nocturne dust]

🤮

[late sapphire]

i will bring my evil guilty gear friends to miss 1 out of 900 input buttons and instantly explode

[patent mango]

forge gs hopefully will have pickaxe style combos

[nocturne dust]

I never liked combo nonsense like that

[late sapphire]

force glaive with vt2 moveset... imagine...

[patent mango]

warrior priest book but warp....

[radiant frigate]

swing swing swing swing uppercut overhead crusher dead swing swing swing

[zinc phoenix]

Us olds can’t remember stuff like that

I last played mortal combat when it was still an arcade game 😂

[upper sun]

force melee staff.....

[radiant frigate]

force bonk

[upper sun]

tbh just more force weapons in general

[zinc phoenix]

I would love a game like this but with directional control of melee strikes and enemies that can fight competently

[static needle]

Is 10% rending = +10% dmg on flak/cara/maniac/unyield?

i forgor how rending actually works 💀

[zinc phoenix]

🤷‍♀️ I never bothered to learn 😂

[late sapphire]

depends on weapon

[clear heath]

iirc it's a flat increase to adm

[late sapphire]

it's 10% to 2.5%

oh that node is 0%

because it doesn't work

[static needle]

does this affect smite xDDD

oh

damn

[zinc phoenix]

Even if it did work it’d be pretty useless

[clear heath]

talent broken
bad game

also yeah 75% peril req is pretty rough

[static needle]

Does enfeeble make smite itself do more dmg?

[late sapphire]

rending is also just not that good on psyker

Low percentages of it, at least

[zinc phoenix]

Crusher BBQ or just critting myself until I kill it regardless

[late sapphire]

Almost everything you can do does almost full damage vs flak maniac unyielding and almost no damage against carapace

[clear heath]

if the peril requirement was less strict and the amount was slightly higher and the talent actually fucking worked, it could be pretty nice

[nocturne dust]

Directional control always kinda stinks imo

I've played several games like that. Even after hundreds and hundreds of hours, it still feels finicky and problematic.

[zinc phoenix]

Works great in M&B and that part of the KCD combat isn’t the stupid and bad part 😂

[nocturne dust]

I actually dislike it in M&B.

It works but it's not good.

[zinc phoenix]

I got into dueling in M&B and was always amazed how fluidly the greats could use it

[analog agate]

Love it in chiv

[nocturne dust]

I could do dueling at one point and handle my own.

It still just didn't feel right to me. I honestly think it's a bad system.

[zinc phoenix]

I think we both know there was a difference between “I could do it” and “I was one of the greats” and lemme tell you I was not one of the greats either 😂

[nocturne dust]

I was one of 'the greats' in a different game with directional control but it was like being a big fish in a small pond

🤷‍♂️

[zinc phoenix]

I think it’s a good system but most implementations ask it to do too much or ask for a level of player control that isn’t feasible in games with a lot going on

Like in M&B field battles trying to use all that careful positioning and footwork and strokes will just get you donked in the head by an ai bot behind you 😂

I think it would have worked very well with Darktide’s enemy density and combat design at launch

I don’t think it would work at all with Darktide as it is today

[nocturne dust]

Eh

I think it's better when it's the focus, yeah.

I wouldn't go so far as to say it's 'a good system'. It's kinda like ammunition and just tacked on most games.

There are games that can make use of it, but there are many games that just shouldn't have it.

I don't think I would've even bought Darktide if it had directional combat, lol.

[late sapphire]

I'm waiting for the full body haptics vr combat

Hopefully by the time it's achievable i'll be alive

[nocturne dust]

Physical fitness meta?

[modest perch]

It’s totally achievable it’s just too niche to bring to market

Like most ppl don’t wanna put on a full body catsuit just to game

[nocturne dust]

Just be rich enough to fund both games and an entirely new, extremely expensive area of commerce

[radiant frigate]

p2w

reported for steroids

[modest perch]

If I was like Jeff Amazon rich I would fund the creation of a 40k mmo

With numerous available factions like orks, chaos, tyranids etc and like a separate progression system for each one

[nocturne dust]

Honestly, 40k is a minus and not a positive for me

[modest perch]

Naturally I’d also want a fantasy equivalent

[clear heath]

idc about 40k either. I only played for the gameplay

[modest perch]

Like age of reckoning but if the budget was greater than $20

But instead of doing cool shit like that the rich are squandering their fortunes on this ai boondoggle

[nocturne dust]

I'd be so into a VT2 clone with a LOTR skin

[late sapphire]

if i was jeff amazon rich i would have my slaves employees stick together some of those huge robot arms and do robot wrestling

[modest perch]

https://tenor.com/view/aliens-exosuit-ripley-sigourney-weaver-leave-her-alone-you-bitch-ready-to-rumble-gif-15151609

[late sapphire]

Exactly

i guess it's already a thing - buhurt seems pretty fun

[modest perch]

Anyone remember f.e.a.r ?

[mossy oyster]

https://tenor.com/view/fear-game-clone-soldier-death-gif-19548609

[modest perch]

They were testing some full body vr type stuff on that game in development

[wintry niche]

Got it on sale 2 weeks ago, still scary, still awesome

[split lance]

I absolutely refuse to believe that our characters can’t do a pull up to get them off a ledge

[nocturne dust]

https://tenor.com/view/jack-dussault-pull-up-fat-kid-gif-20647643

[radiant frigate]

consider that they are probably malnourished and perform a lot of tiring actions

[upper sun]

they can but they're carrying ~100kg of recon mags

[nocturne dust]

Literally every time I'm on the ship I hear ole Grendy cutting rations 😭

[upper sun]

i mean heh cmon who would be able to carry that much gear up that many steps anyways

[radiant frigate]

rashuns..

[upper sun]

not enough corpses for corpse starch

kill your team before you finish the mission

[radiant frigate]

eat your teammates?

[minor wedge]

Heya

Question if I may?

[nocturne dust]

Eat the rich (in suffering)

[minor wedge]

What perks do I want on a Electro staff ?

[radiant frigate]

what if you may not?

what then?

[upper sun]

EAT THE LIVING

[haughty star]

FLURRY AND NEXUS

[nocturne dust]

flak and [preference]

[upper sun]

EAT THE DEAD

[minor wedge]

Then its too late cause I already asked :3

[nocturne dust]

perks dodo

[haughty star]

FLAK AND WHATEVER YOU WANT

[nocturne dust]

[radiant frigate]

THE ROT CONSUMES

[nocturne dust]

https://tenor.com/view/nurgle-total-war-warhammer-great-unclean-one-daemons-nurgling-gif-24491424

[upper sun]

ye most common picks are flak+maniac/elite

second place is like crit and unyielding

[nocturne dust]

On EK I use flak+unyielding

[modest perch]

Based nostalgia enjoyer

[upper sun]

was it a shooter?

[split lance]

Body adapats

[upper sun]

oh yeah i rememer bow

[split lance]

Then be stronger

Smh smh

Idk

It just seems stupid

It’s a fantasy game

About space demons

[nocturne dust]

"Body adapts"

sends twelve billion volts of electricity through your body

[radiant frigate]

dying to electricty? skill issue

[modest perch]

Yea spooky horror shooter with the creepy girl from the grudge

[split lance]

So u went from
Body doing a pull up to an extreme electrical shock

Nice argument

Counterpoint

Ur a nerd

[upper sun]

can you carry 200lb of gear up 70 flights of stairs???

[split lance]

[split lance]

Ye

[upper sun]

all the rejects must be caked up as fuck

[nocturne dust]

That's why I don't use muscles, I use electricity

[hearty wolf]

Why did I ever play Zealot when I could have just played Psyker

[split lance]

I’m Mexican. I’m practically bred for that

[radiant frigate]

what's their training program

[split lance]

I responded to the wrong msg

lol

[upper sun]

slavery

[radiant frigate]

so we can all collectively get caked up

ah frick

[nocturne dust]

wat kinda cake

[split lance]

Says the guy I’ve only ever seen use purg

[split lance]

Both

[nocturne dust]

I was literally using voidstrike in our last match, you're just blind

[upper sun]

my worst travelling experience was when i missed a bus and had to walk ~3km with about 80kg of luggage

[split lance]

Still isn’t electricity

[upper sun]

in about an hour

[split lance]

Oof. Yeah that sounds awful

[radiant frigate]

that is pretty bad

[nocturne dust]

I like all the staves, sue me

[split lance]

I’m fat so any walking is awful

[split lance]

I do too

[upper sun]

by the last couple of meters

[split lance]

I just like more than others

[radiant frigate]

built-in gear

[split lance]

Exactly

Built ins rumor

Armor

[upper sun]

battle cries were the only thing keeping me going

[radiant frigate]

like raaah?

[split lance]

I’m proud of you. The emperor would be too

[upper sun]

unironically yeah

it helped that 70% of my workout routine was farmers lifts

https://tenor.com/view/db-farmer-s-carrys-gif-25623654

[minor wedge]

Thankyou

The seer is the beloved psyker, right ?

[upper sun]

ye

[minor wedge]

Okay :3

Repersonalized because I did mine wrong

woops

^^'

[upper sun]

savant is the enforcer french nerd
seer is beloved
loner is german and romanian crazy people

[minor wedge]

I present to thee, my peglegged little bastard boi

XD

[radiant frigate]

i like the grumpy slav witch

[upper sun]

she grew on me

i really hated her at first but now i like her

[radiant frigate]

also have to say i like the new lines added for cspawn grab

and bonbon nomnom

[upper sun]

ye i noticed

[radiant frigate]

"bit of a problem here"
"have you tried "not being delicious"?"

[upper sun]

ogryn breaks my hear "oh noo put me down" 😭

[wintry niche]

I kinda wanna love the duelling sword but the Deimos loves me too much

Also is there some stat bug when you change the mark of a weapon?

Restart game fixed it -_-

[haughty star]

IS vt2 like dorktide?

[fiery stratus]

More like darktide is like vt

[digital hill]

Not exactly, but also yes. It's a horde squad game.

[fiery stratus]

melees a lot more punishing, far fewer specials, much more focus on melee

Also no iframes on dodging so you get fucked if you don't have good placement

[late sapphire]

thp is inverse to toughness, too

taking damage between encounters is far more of an issue

[fiery stratus]

yep

little shit trash guys chip you tf out

more like chunk

[late sapphire]

and the books are actually important

[fiery stratus]

How important is about to change lol

This game needs a book overhaul for sure

they need to do something

[prime elk]

Hey grims do a lot. They’re great at fucking over pubbies

[lone ravine]

Psyker players, what peril % do I gotta be at for max soulblaze on my scream

[wintry niche]

Venting shriek?

[lone ravine]

Yea

[wintry niche]

I blast all the way til a 100%

Until the demons are about to devour me

Then tap F

[late sapphire]

no the vt2 book system is peak

1000 pub players dead to a single skavenslave smack on the bum

[fiery stratus]

They're changing it with the character leveling overhaul

who needs hp grims good

[lone ravine]

Me watching the psyker with 0 hp nodes and curios literally never able to have more than 1 non corrupted wound

[fiery stratus]

Just don't make mistakes smh

simple

[wintry niche]

I assume you are taking warp rider, that means you have at least 1 10% hp node

[lone ravine]

I have enough hp on psyker that it won’t affect me

Just saying for the people I see that don’t

[wintry niche]

I'm not wearing any curios that boost hp

2x toughness and 1 stamina

[strong gulch]

Over 85% with default non-modded UI for consistently getting 6 SB (soulblaze) stacks.

[fair spruce]

I didn't want to retype

buy this cosmetic or you're a heretic

[hearty wolf]

ds4 perks and blessings when going down the right side of the tree?

[haughty star]

Something like this if gunker/meleeker/assailker with scriers is what you're after

[hearty wolf]

I meant the perks annd blessing specifically for the ds4

however, that is also useful. Lemme see

[haughty star]

Oh sorry the verbage was a little weird lol

precog and uncanny

and flak and whatever you want

i usually do carapace

[hearty wolf]

Gotcha.

That tree looks a bit different from mine, it's interesting

For example, I didn't go left for perilous combustion and also got the extra pen on assail rather than the cd reduction

[strong gulch]

For SG DS4, uncanny + shred / riposte is good.

If you're trying to really hit funny big headshots on crushers and scab ragers, uncanny precog + flak + cara.

Otherwise a crit blessing will better help take advantage of EE.

[haughty star]

oh yeah if you got the warp splitting the extra pen hardly matters cuz it's pretty much always just +1 target, full proc splitting is much more meaningful and the recharge is really impactful on that node so i don't mind dropping the +1

[dull scroll]

75%+ allows you to burn critters from max hp

or maybe it was 80%, was testing sometime ago

[haughty star]

and perilous is just a no brainer, it's so very powerful lol

[hearty wolf]

For the life of me, i cannot figure out what "EE" is somehow

[haughty star]

empathetic evasion

[strong gulch]

Sorry. Empathic Evasion.

[haughty star]

the one with the dude shoulder leanin

[minor wedge]

Am i wrong for .... kinda liking the electro staff bone cosmetic ?

[haughty star]

yes

[strong gulch]

Like what you like.

[minor wedge]

[hearty wolf]

This is really good to know. What's the rationale on not picking up By Crack of Bone and going Prescience over Seer's?

[strong gulch]

If the black set still available?? It was like a bundle or something. It's that black set with just a bone tied to it.

[hearty wolf]

(also perilous combustion, I thought I heard soulblaze sucked)

[minor wedge]

Yeah..... I.... kinda like the force staff in it though.

Fits the psyker

I know its realy low effort

but... it speaks to me

[hearty wolf]

Thaaaaank you. Couldn't find it because I didn't actually pick it up since I went further right and picked up anticipation instead

[strong gulch]

PC (perilous combustion) is one of our stronger talents.

[haughty star]

with seers it's just a little closer to never having down time with scriers especially since you don't have Perilous Assault on a scriers build. crack of bone is really good for like basically illisi shenadigans in scriers and in scriers you should really be using your gun mostly and ds4 for heavy things.

by heavy things i pretty much only mean crushers

[digital hill]

The eye and the head piece are so awesome

[strong gulch]

If a build doesn't take it, then the person either doesn't know or the build is SO point hungry that there are no sprares.

[haughty star]

it's wildfire that's a controversial pick. perilous applies four stacks of soulblaze to everything around any elite or specialist you kill

so basically gives you the freedom to target specialists and elites and it just melts everything around them quick

[digital hill]

It's only 3 stacks.

[haughty star]

turns any kinda damage you do into aoe damage

[strong gulch]

Ye. Give us back 4 SB stacks.

[haughty star]

i was boutta say i coulda swore it was 4 but they musta nerfed at some point lol

[digital hill]

Perilous Assault goes on all my builds, no matter how stretched lol

[clear heath]

it was nerfed

[strong gulch]

PC doesn't have a cap outside of the global 31 limit.

[haughty star]

either way suuuuuper powerful

[strong gulch]

ye

[hearty wolf]

Ah, okay. That's actually really neat then since I tend to focus specials/elites more than anything. Getting an aoe clear around them sounds like it can cause funny chain reactions

[clear heath]

it was 4 on the patch they released the trees and then it changed to 3 on the next balance update

[hearty wolf]

Lemme see if I have any other qs

[haughty star]

warp unbound is so you save up your freshly recharged assail from having the faster recharge node until scriers is done then you just release the darts like angry bees that cleave through 6+ enemies a piece

[digital hill]

I'm trying to work out Disrupt Destiny with Scry and Assail. I love being able to swap between three different weapons/utilies and pivot accordingly to encounter. or, like, spam voidballs or warpshanks blindly

[wintry niche]

damn 1600 kills, I love this build

[split lance]

jesus how long was that game

[wintry niche]

idk but the others were a little.... less used to the game I guess

[dull scroll]

melee horde during scrier to build up stacks, unload assails at 100% with that cleave perk and each assail apparently can go through 5 targets

[digital hill]

Warp Unbound is so fun, aha

[wintry niche]

1697 lol

[digital hill]

Ah, that's why they're going through so many without even picking up the talent for extra piercing

[strong gulch]

There is a bug tho so keep it in mind. There is a small window between when SG (Scrier's gaze) ends and WU (warp unbound) begins that you can explode. WU lasts 11.5 seconds. If you don't have mods, it can be difficult to keep track of WU's uptime.

[digital hill]

I thought it was just assail being weird.

[digital hill]

Assail is instant compared to BB and i been exploding.

[wintry niche]

Apparently 31 mins

[idle delta]

What's the niche of the las pistol and why would you use it over an infantry lasgun ? I've been using it with gaze to burn people but... it's not that it's bad, I just don't understand what its thing is.

[prime elk]

Faster draw, similar if not better dps

[digital hill]

To be looked upon disdainfully by proper staves.

[prime elk]

Better mobility in general

[dull scroll]

recon las still goat

[strong gulch]

Laspistol has higher damage per shot but the main thing is it has much higher boss / monster dps. Also funny warp push. Other than that the recon is faster and less of an ammo dump.

[idle delta]

Ofc but I've mastered my recon las already

[prime elk]

I’d rather use recon las if I’m shooting a lot

[digital hill]

Las pistol has a warp push?

[wintry niche]

How do you recon las without being a veteran? And having supporting skills?

[prime elk]

Yeah

[digital hill]

What!

Is it as effective as blaze sword?

[prime elk]

Gunker

[wintry niche]

My vet with recon lasgun doesn't go as hard as my psyker

[idle delta]

Gaze I'm guessing

[haughty star]

lol i love recon on psyker so much

[dull scroll]

gun psyker is the most yolo build in this game

[digital hill]

Pfft.

Well maybe.

Going to try out the las pistol now 🤣

[fiery stratus]

nah thats my voice of command vet with every toughness related perk

[prime elk]

Bonker is

[idle delta]

I love my staves but something always pulls me back to gunker

[dull scroll]

gents, not only do you not have any def, you are twice as likely to blow up compared to other psyker builds

[wintry niche]

If they could just swap the smite and assail nodes, I'd be happy to use my extra ability

[dull scroll]

forgot you aren't on scrier and accidentally cast another assail at 100%? boom

[digital hill]

All the time.

Its just so easy to throw shanks.

[jovial juniper]

More AoE

Procs Dumdum

[digital hill]

The push is?

[hearty wolf]

So the gameplan is something like. Hit SG and kill shit with gun (sounds ammo hungry?), ds4 for carapace until you hit 100% peril. Wait 1s for Warp Unbound to kick in and dump all your assail stacks. Rinse and repeat?

[dull scroll]

also the rotations, you need to balance using all 3 weapons as compared to something like that lightning staff build were you just use the staff and wipe everything

[digital hill]

Im just here to force push hordes around

[jovial juniper]

Refreshes DD stacks

[jovial juniper]

The Laspistol push has more aoe

Yeah

[digital hill]

I use it as a oh shit that dude has armor on or oh shit that nurgle is wiping out my party. I better step over here..

lol

[haughty star]

you also use assail to clear trash out around you when not in SG and insta gib rager and shotgun packs. you can use your melee while in SG it's just most times there's enough elites and stuff around in auric to keep you busy

[digital hill]

Last match was so much chaos. Nurgle slug showed up as is good and proper. Then the chaos spawn, who literally beat me into the daemonhost. I have never not wanted to be in melee so badly lol

[haughty star]

like assail is really good in conjunction with ds4 because it just takes some of the pressure off so you don't get overwhelmed

[strong gulch]

Pretty much. Though in a game that is ammo starved, you'll be meleeing more. So toss assails out between melee strikes to be able to work through a horde and maintain a steady amount of assails.

Assail lmb / primary can stagger or interrupt most human sized targets.

Yeah that

[dull scroll]

you want to melee horde with the dueling sword having that infinite dodge blessing

[digital hill]

Assail can impressively chew right through a horde.

[strong gulch]

scattered shoots and all that too

[dull scroll]

and unload assails at 100%

[hearty wolf]

Heard, yeah. Haven't jumped into Auric yet with my Psyker, on that last stretch of levelling but definitely think I'm going to enjoy it more than hitting F on Zealot and being invincible.

Currently I'm using a voidstrike staff - with the way that build sounds like it's going to play out, might be a problem with peril generation/maximising stacks of Scrier's. Most people use infantry autogun iirc?

[fiery stratus]

Anyone wanna squad up for auric?

[haughty star]

recon 12 for chads and vraks 5 for everyone else

[digital hill]

Good nuff stats?

[nocturne dust]

83.3%

[haughty star]

vraks 5 is generally more effective but recon 12 is much more accurate hipfire and ads with no recoil and has the burn blessing

[dull scroll]

70 mobility, trash

[digital hill]

Ugh

[dull scroll]

insta rejection

[hearty wolf]

Ah question about that.

Does this work on Maulers? Provided it hits their flak parts instead of carapace. Swore I was locking a ton of them down with just assail

[haughty star]

it does to a degree yes.

[dull scroll]

carapace you will have to use your sword

[digital hill]

How about ammo as a dump stat then?

[nocturne dust]

Don't.

[dull scroll]

dumping ammo on a gunpsyker, brave man

[digital hill]

Listen, I don't even know what ammo looks like

[nocturne dust]

Mobility is a good dump.

[fiery stratus]

if a weapon has mobility, 99% thats the dumpstat and anything else is needed

[digital hill]

hmm

[hearty wolf]

I'm glad I have resources LMAO

[split lance]

hye

[digital hill]

I like being mobile, though. Nimble.

[nocturne dust]

Deimos:

[fiery stratus]

thats why 99

[split lance]

does samsung 990 pro 2tb ssd need a heatsink

[nocturne dust]

Dueling Sword:

[fiery stratus]

in the 99

[nocturne dust]

Cleave Damage

[digital hill]

So, I shouldnt have gone for mobility?

;_;

[fiery stratus]

why?

does ds4 not cleave at all?

[dull scroll]

that's fine, warp res even worse

[haughty star]

cleave is dump on ds4 because it's hardly impactful

[nocturne dust]

Cleave damage adds like 5 damage in total to an attack on hordes

[fiery stratus]

seems worth to me

[nocturne dust]

lol

[haughty star]

problem is if you're using ds4 into hordes as a psyker you already done fucked up

[nocturne dust]

I mean you can still dump mobility, but I would consider cleave damage optimal

[fiery stratus]

if you're using ds4 on hordes you should know how to clear

its not an issue for me

[nocturne dust]

Right, and 5 damage won't ever change your BPs

[fiery stratus]

yes

but im too lazy for rerolling

[nocturne dust]

https://tenor.com/view/weakness-disgusts-me-madara-uchiha-madara-naruto-weakness-disgust-me-gif-17219305

[fiery stratus]

ima look at that extra 50 damage later and be very happy

[dull scroll]

nah if you are gun psyker that's a very valid move to save ammo, especially with that inf dodge blessing on ds4

[nocturne dust]

Scoreboard won't record it except in overkill damage

[haughty star]

dd is relatively unimpactful while using ds4

[digital hill]

Yeah laspistol is out. Ammo is a weakness.

[fiery stratus]

its still there tho

[digital hill]

I am beyond such material needs.

[fiery stratus]

so i can see it

mmm

[haughty star]

but yes you need to use it lol it's just we have assail to thin the hordes

[digital hill]

Assail, smite, fire.

Sword.

[nocturne dust]

0% ammo?

[digital hill]

I can find a gun-shaped staff and everyone will be very fooled, and impressed.

[dull scroll]

honestly I used to do that, pop scarier and unload assail. But latetly I find pop scarier and ds4, assail at 100% works better

[fiery stratus]

i use assail for gunners and oh shit situations basically

aboutit

[digital hill]

I love meleeing from the get go with scry. It's like a fight against the mechanic, how many can I keep killing before I top out.

[haughty star]

i don't assail in scriers lol i weave between it and my other tools in my toolkit when not in scriers and dump it at the end of scriers when i'm running unbound

2 or 3 bolts here and there go a long way for MM

[nocturne dust]

I assail in scrier's without unbound

Gotta feel the peril

[haughty star]

[digital hill]

[dull scroll]

ds4 inf dodge already broken af vs hordes, plus scarier and lasting longer, saving assail at the end when 100% for more damage and pierce, top rotation

[hearty wolf]

Alright, thanks for answers. Brain has been expanded with new knowledge.

Last q, for ranged elites, best way to deal with them? I guess just pewpew?

And for assail, is it worth aiming to target specific elites (outside of scrier's) or do you just m1 in their direction?

[nocturne dust]

Infinite dodge isn't that broken

[dull scroll]

but then you might forget you aren't on scarier and BOOOM

[haughty star]

burn them to death with recon 12 or assail them

[fiery stratus]

Unless you have ranged immunity or something, trying to melee gunners isnt great on psyker

[digital hill]

You can target, which is great. It's faster and homes more tightly.

[hearty wolf]

I have learned this the hard way. I've learned Zealot is a crutch for me

[haughty star]

rmb don't work great for gunners

[digital hill]

But I also like tossing them above their heads and clearing out dudes above me.

[nocturne dust]

Counterpoint: Drive me closer, I want to hit them with my sword

[hearty wolf]

Gunner's are fucking scary man

[fiery stratus]

But then they just push you back without immunity lol

They said naw

[haughty star]

also use RMB assail for bombers, trappers, and snipers for quick and easy mitigation

[hearty wolf]

Second I unslide, they want a piece

[fiery stratus]

firerat be upon yee

[digital hill]

So my tactic of jumping on the slug's back to pop the blister is valid.

[nocturne dust]

I still maintain that gunners shouldn't just stunlock you the moment you're out of toughness

[haughty star]

i hate that shit so much

[strong gulch]

@fiery stratus I'll join ya.

[haughty star]

it's just a aggravation mechanic

[digital hill]

Yeah it's so bad.

[fiery stratus]

o7

[hearty wolf]

Aight cool. I didn't go it before because I wasn't hitting breakpoints to 1 shot them so it felt like throwing a wet noodle

[digital hill]

I mean, maybe it's meant to be stressful, idk. It makes me respect them more

lol

[nocturne dust]

Oh, can I join too?

[fiery stratus]

Sure

pls carry me

[haughty star]

when dd is procced all the way you should be able to pop em with one, sometimes two

[strong gulch]

vc 12

[fiery stratus]

my 5 extra cleave isnt helping me

[haughty star]

also don't forget you can use the rmb for a quick nab on the blue man to get a free 3 stacks for uptime if that's an issue for you

[fiery stratus]

Anyone else want to jump in for 4th? auric mael/qp

[hearty wolf]

I'm just before the keystone for DD atm but I can't imagine it would be hard to keep the uptime with 10s per stack since we go right side

[fiery stratus]

team 12

[hearty wolf]

Also did Vermintide have i-frames on dodge? I swear to god it didn't and I swear this game has a TON?

[fiery stratus]

nope

Vermintide your character moves their position, and thats the evasion

[haughty star]

i would but i'm feeding the bois

[fiery stratus]

I can't do dayz, hate pvp where you lose dozens of hours of work to a headshot

[dull scroll]

oh shit mic isn't working

[digital hill]

Dust 514 trauma.

[nocturne dust]

The rat about to jab you and ignore your dodge anyway

[normal matrix]

Warp charges or EP for smite?

[haughty star]

this is a RP server so like there's only KOS zones and shit

[hearty wolf]

That's what I remember yeah.

I remember getting absolutely destroyed when I first played it because I kept back dodging overheads. This game, it just feels like you're ethereal and everything goes through you lmao

It almost feels random when you get it

[wintry niche]

If you actually want to kill with smite you need EP, but you're going to be limited to what you can kill with it

[hearty wolf]

Like "huh? I can take damage?"

[normal matrix]

I mostly use it to stun hordes, the kills are a nice bonus

I have the lightning staff for murder

[wintry niche]

I have warp siphon to cut the CD of shriek

[fiery stratus]

@hearty wolf the dodging is very particular, because of the lack of iframes. Something else thats different in that game is that blocking attacks is actually good, so blocking overheads and shit actually works without destroying you.

[haughty star]

it honestly depends on the horde

[wintry niche]

I have smite in my build but never really use it

[haughty star]

ep can proc PA faster and cooldown even quicker at times

it do be nice when it does come in handy tho

i like to do smiteker with ep and a macro LMB spam build to be extra annoying sometimes lol

[wintry niche]

PA?

[haughty star]

Psykinnetics Aura?

[wintry niche]

There is no faster CD than 4-6 warp charges

[haughty star]

lol if you say so

[wintry niche]

7.5% per stack

[sturdy reef]

gunner/flamer/reaper/shotgunner/sniper knockback is a shit mechanic

[hearty wolf]

I remember blocking feeling better because your health felt incredibly precious. Losing any of it felt really cringe (temp health just doesn't hit the same y'know?). I remember being able to block the storm rat overheads but could you block chaos warrior overheads?

[steel pawn]

I can no longer live without Deflector, it's too lazy.

[late sapphire]

Insta block break

Mauled by skavenslaves

Fanatics in this scenario, i guess

Some boss attacks were only partially blockable

[haughty star]

have you tried killing the things shooting at you?

[fiery stratus]

Yeah you can block CW overheads too, it does probably break hard though

might break guard

depending

[late sapphire]

Its like 6 stam on legend+

If you parry no problem though

[steel pawn]

Naw, it's not the shooting, dodge-crouch works well. It's also the sitting there in the corner blocking the monstrosity.

[normal matrix]

I mostly run a supportive smiteker with double wall and lightning staff, might run flamer maybe, uncertain

[edgy garnet]

Is assail considered easy mode or just ok?

[normal matrix]

Trying to figure out what i wanna do with it, maybe switch from ep to charges

[steel pawn]

I enjoy Assail a lot, but I feel like EP-smite is more easy mode for me.

[late sapphire]

On low diff its easymode

High diff kinda ok

[normal matrix]

Aye under 4 its legit a lawnmower

[edgy garnet]

I played assail for the first time today, and holy shit was it fun. I didn’t realize you could charge it for a harder throw

[normal matrix]

The charge has more range and lock on i think

Good for single target

[late sapphire]

Yeah

[edgy garnet]

It can crit right?

[late sapphire]

Rmb assail has more damage and always hits

Yes it can crit

[edgy garnet]

I was popping gunner heads with it.

[steel pawn]

It is so much fun with the highlighted target minigame.

[edgy garnet]

That’s one of the purple abilities right? I’m only level 22 with psyker

[normal matrix]

Disrupt Destiny i think?

Believe so

[steel pawn]

^-- Disrupt, yeah. It randomly marks different mooks as assassin targets, rewards you for sniping them.

[edgy garnet]

Assail psyker makes me wonder why other classes can’t have 2 ranged weapons.

Vet with a nade launcher would be sweet

[steel pawn]

It makes me realize why they shouldn't 😛 Didn't people used to do crucian roulette + a 1 shot pistol to make it crit?

[haughty star]

assail is really strong through all difficulties thanks to disrupt destiny

[haughty star]

because we have true aim

[edgy garnet]

I meant along the lines of nade launcher instead of shredder nades for vet as an example.

[late sapphire]

Btw if you are having fun with assail, take Warp Splitting

It's on the little horizontal twig jutting out to the right

[steel pawn]

So I'm getting back into Darktide... Does brainburst still suck? I only used it "passively" before

[late sapphire]

It's ok if you build specifically for it

[wintry niche]

If you mean it can deal quickly with a ranged threat when busy with hordes, it can do that

[edgy garnet]

Different abilities for the G slot would be cool. Aren’t ogryn and vet the only ones that don’t have unique G skills, as they are all variations of a grenade?

[wintry niche]

And Zealot

[late sapphire]

Rock

[haughty star]

it's only great if you're taking it for flayer which is kind of a waste on not having smite unless you're on flamer staff. if you build for it it's fun but deffo not "strong" comparitively

[edgy garnet]

Warp splitting affects assail?

[haughty star]

everything

[steel pawn]

The knife and the rock feel kind of similiar. "explosion light impact heavy grenades"

[late sapphire]

Yes

[edgy garnet]

Don’t zealots have a nade and then the item that pushes back enemies? Or is that a main ability?

[late sapphire]

An ability

[wintry niche]

Ability

[edgy garnet]

I’ll call that a variation of a grenade 🤓

[late sapphire]

Zealot gets stun nade, fire nade, knives

[wintry niche]

Correct I was being dumb and forgot the knife

[edgy garnet]

Forgot about knives, do they regen like assail?

[haughty star]

nope

[steel pawn]

They regen on specialist kill

[late sapphire]

On elite and special kill

[wintry niche]

Idk I only rush shit, in the name of the Emperor

[haughty star]

oh shit i didn't know that's what they're for

[wintry niche]

For the golden throne and all

[haughty star]

legit never use my knives on zelly

[steel pawn]

I rarely notice the knives missing, since each knife is generally only for specialists too far to bonk.

[digital hill]

Are we just..zealots?

[haughty star]

no for we are better

but also worse

[snow nymph]

idk how yall do it this class makes no sense

[haughty star]

do with that what you will

[snow nymph]

im still leveling but holy fuck this shit is ass

[late sapphire]

Left click and right click

[steel pawn]

I'm zealot about psyker. It makes vet feel godawful boring.

[late sapphire]

Sometimes you hit d

Sometimes a

[haughty star]

sometimes f

[late sapphire]

Sometimes even w or s

[steel pawn]

"G" is like "weapon 3", the paper/rock/scissors of horde/ranged/carapace has to line up different in your muscle memory.

[digital hill]

All keybinds are spacebar. It seems to work.

[prime elk]

Missing out on the best blitz

[wintry niche]

Zealot?

[prime elk]

For zealot

[snow nymph]

psyker! this shit sucks balls

[haughty star]

i always take them but never use them

[wintry niche]

my 1697 kill round disagrees

[steel pawn]

Technically it blows heads.

[tired estuary]

Whats wrong with sucking balls

[steel pawn]

NGL, I'm not even mad when my head explodes, it's a hilarious mistake.

[snow nymph]

thats crazy ive gotten over 1700 on veteran while sloshed off my tits so

[late sapphire]

Psyker kinda sucks while leveling

[digital hill]

Sometimes its the quickest way to clear a horde.

[late sapphire]

Go take assail and sleepwalk a few heresy rounds

[wintry niche]

What are you struggling most with on psyker? Peril management?

[haughty star]

leveling psyker is ass

just grab a gun and assail and power through it

[edgy garnet]

Doing it now, and I’d have to agree. Been sticking with staffs and forceswords to get a feel for things. It’s tough

[steel pawn]

I mean, you can bloody melee smash with psyker and it's fine. Blaze goes through crushers, and Deflector will block TONS.

[late sapphire]

Go dueling sword

Its peak

[steel pawn]

Dueling sword I wish were just... fixed. The poke is so lowkey clutch, but also boring.

[edgy garnet]

Yeah, I have experience with it on vet. Disgusting weapon.

[late sapphire]

Used to be psyker exclusive

[edgy garnet]

Right

[wintry niche]

Ds4 is bae

[edgy garnet]

I was in the Beta and I was disappointed vet didn’t get it

[late sapphire]

Insane the thin pokey stick just goes through carapace though

[snow nymph]

oh ive been abusing the fuck out of dueling sword on vet

[edgy garnet]

Armory update was insane and brought me back to the game

[edgy garnet]

Piercing needle

[steel pawn]

Vet is the only class I can't have fun with, something feels off. Maybe it's the bad ranged/aim?

[late sapphire]

At least when it was psyker exclusive i could cope it's psionically enhanced

[steel pawn]

There's a lot of "point toward enemies" with psyker's "G".

[wintry niche]

I haven't played Ogryn yet lol

[late sapphire]

Vet and zealot have no excuse

[edgy garnet]

Have you tried a recon las burn build? It’s refreshing. I have 900hrs on vet lmao

[steel pawn]

On Psyker, yeah 😛

[edgy garnet]

[snow nymph]

psyker is my last to get to 30, and im like 2 or 3 penaces away from all done with vet

or done with penances anyway

[wintry niche]

Can't get my vet to 30, stuck around 25 somewhere, ammo blows

[edgy garnet]

I have probably 10hrs on psyker right now, and I feel squishy as hell compared to vet

[wintry niche]

Vet is tank

[sturdy reef]

but the damage you deal

its addicting

[late sapphire]

No yellow toughness

[steel pawn]

You are squishy but invulnerable with deflector/kinetic.

[sturdy reef]

although plasma/power sword still deals a shit ton

[steel pawn]

Or you know, everyone dead due to smite/assail

[edgy garnet]

Play a VOC and melee vet with a bolt pistol. That shit is fun

[edgy garnet]

Elaborate

[sturdy reef]

kinetic deflection works with deflector

so it will take your peril instead of stam

[late sapphire]

Used to be 1 blessing...

[steel pawn]

Blocking is "peril" with deflection, then 30% cheaper due to deflector. It will also use stamina if you run out of peril.

You can spit off the peril with Psychic Shriek or whatever your other peril reducers are.

[storm estuary]

how does empyric resolve work regarding the -30% toughness replenished?

[steel pawn]

Literally just sit and block. Dodging optional, extra insurance.

Try walking up to a plague ogryn and blocking, observe yourself not dead.

[edgy garnet]

On force sword right?

[late sapphire]

-30% toughness gen

Globally

[steel pawn]

Yeah, the "Deflector" blessing. Kinetic Deflection is the third column bottom row talent.

[late sapphire]

Any source no muss no fuss

[storm estuary]

so its not good?

[late sapphire]

That's up to you to decide

[analog agate]

It’s a very good node. But you also have to be good enough to not care about the toughness regen nerf

[lone ravine]

guys did fatshark break EP
i may just be stupid

[summer dragon]

I have question. Been trying to make the flame build work well and I just can't figure out how to not feel like a dangerous pyromancer at exactly 15 feet and no further.

How do you make it feel... more... impactful?

[digital hill]

Could use voidblast.

Some better range and options.

[thorn cedar]

if youre talking flame staff then ... i mean thats its entire gimmick

so from there you can only really take BB or Assail to have more armor punch and/or reach

[summer dragon]

I might have to take assail... Get some crit on that side of the tree too.

Could be worth a shot.

Thanks!

[steel pawn]

Does this look dumb? Trying to abuse Warp Unbound as much as possible.

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9d79cf81-65ca-4d49-870b-70adc20a6627/warp-unbound-silliness-2?utm_medium=website&utm_source=gameslantern&utm_campaign=share_button

[nocturne dust]

trying to abuse warp unbound
no warp rider
no one with the warp

[fiery stratus]

@strong gulch ggs, this time you guys really did carry me 😭 o7

[nocturne dust]

[nocturne dust]

is bad

Are you using fire trauma or rend trauma?

[digital hill]

Warp Unbound has a very narrow window.

Of like, use.

[nocturne dust]

10 seconds isn't wat I would call narrow

[steel pawn]

It's basically unlimited.

Warp charges + 10 seconds is putting it at "And now it's ready again"

[nocturne dust]

Voidblast with scrier's itself is questionable

[steel pawn]

Oh, that's just a placeholder. The staff doesn't matter.

Voidstrike or something would be more dogmatic.

It NEEDS one with the warp, I need to find something to cut

[nocturne dust]

Hm, maybe Voidblast could work with something unhinged

I would do something like this

Pretty unhinged tho

wouldn't be too bad with Fire Trauma tho

[steel pawn]

Ahhh pskinetics too. That gives a bit better overlap on the Warp Unbound, it's "rather hard" to keep 100% uptime. I have to hold "R" when there's nothing to kill.

[dull scroll]

using staff with scarier is unhindged behaviour

[nocturne dust]

Voidstrike + scrier's is actually pretty good and natural

[dull scroll]

it's the craziness of gun psyker x10

[nocturne dust]

Actually, switch precog for reality anchor and PotS for ER, those would probably still be useful even when you're trying to max Warp Unbound

[steel pawn]

Voidstrike scriers seems pretty normal. This is me messing around to get max toughness reduction, 73% from the tree.

[nocturne dust]

It's not max, and it doesn't stack that way

[steel pawn]

And now I google >.<

[nocturne dust]

Bubble gives 50% tdr when you're inside it and it dissipates

[steel pawn]

Bubble? There's no bubble here.

[nocturne dust]

Shield

Right shield, is bubble (dome)

Also, defense-maxxing is a bad game to play on the glass cannon class

[steel pawn]

+5%TDR X 4(Passive), +20% TDR * 1(Scriers), +33% TDR(OWW)

[digital hill]

The best defense is the one that leaves nothing alive to attack you.

[steel pawn]

I mean, that's normal gameplay, but this seems fun to mess around with.

[nocturne dust]

also, iirc, the toughness node on Scrier's isn't active during warp unbound

[digital hill]

!

[nocturne dust]

same for the speed node

[steel pawn]

So it's really 53%

[nocturne dust]

while active != lingering effect

[nocturne dust]

they're multiplicative if I recall right

[steel pawn]

That would make sense. The additive sign wouldn't.

OH. SOME of them are additive, some are multiplicative. That's super intuitive.

[nocturne dust]

🤔

Huh?

As far as I'm aware, they're all multiplcative

[steel pawn]

The 5% nodes are additive, but stack multiplicative with other nodes supposedly.

E.g. it's 20% multiplicative if you get all 4

[nocturne dust]

[steel pawn]

If I'm reading toughness_damage_taken_modifier correctly

TLDR is the same, I don't know if this is going to be viable enough to be fun in a real game

[barren pine]

Is the voidstrike staff build in the psyker aetheneum actually good?

[tired estuary]

The guide is outdated in a general sense but surge crit voidstrike is still good yea

[barren pine]

the talent choices in the guide for voidstrike seem odd

like it talks about how you wont really need your melee yet it takes 3 melee talents

[nocturne dust]

The Psyker guide is known to have sus builds

They're generally okay but not max meta

[jovial juniper]

"Lemme guide you towards perfection"
Oh Sefoni you'll make me blush

[barren pine]

id love a solid voidstrike talent build if someone would be so kind

[nocturne dust]

Shriek or Scrier's?

[barren pine]

shriek

[nocturne dust]

Empathic Evasion is droppable for something else if you prefer

[barren pine]

what about a shield build

same staff

[tired estuary]

the same, just dump the points from shriek into shield

[barren pine]

thank ya

is lightning speed and warp splitting necessary?

[tired estuary]

no but they're v good

[barren pine]

are ya just taking the melee attack speed to get to the cleave?

[tired estuary]

attack speed is always good and even on psyker you should probs be able to melee

[thorn cedar]

10% attack speed doesnt sound exciting but trust me it kinda is

[tired estuary]

it's always been a goated stat in tide games

[thorn cedar]

unless you spend like, 70+% of your time with a staff in your hands you should want it

[barren pine]

i generally just be blasting but fair

[thorn cedar]

just to like, put you in the right mindset for it

attack speed isnt just damage

it's damage, it's more swings in less time, which means more crit and blessing procs, which means more toughness, attack anims ending quicker to block or readjust

it's the absolute strongest stat you could want to pick up in the majority of cases

in fact it's so strong that fatshark refuses to put in on weapons/blessings/curios this time around (:

lessons learned from Vermintide 2

[barren pine]

solid points

psyker is my 4th class and the melee is so slow in comparison a lil more attack speed sounds nice

[steel flame]

welcome to psyker laddie