psyker-class

[jagged quarry]

• wildfire

[nocturne dust]

Yeah

PC is good. For a single talent point, it's very useful.

[raven mountain]

And it's next to a node that makes kills with warp abilities return a nice chunk of toughness.

Or an ability that gives toughness for generating peril

[jagged quarry]

yes

[nocturne dust]

PC is more useful at higher difficulties due to enemy and elite/special density

[jagged quarry]

i just hit lvl30 with psyker, I play in heresy since lvl 20

how do you take a screenshot of the whole tree?

[nocturne dust]

Either you mod or you don't and you use a website, games lantern

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/build-editor

[jagged quarry]

thanks

[flat shadow]

that picture of the scab troopers is hard

[jagged quarry]

here is my tree, I feel comfortable playing with this + voidstrike staff, force sword

i am hesitating taking psychic leeching

i feel like I can deal with most threats, horde , armor, boss

i am not sure about this

wield? they mean swap?

[nocturne dust]

swap speed, yes

[nocturne dust]

That's a very interesting tree.

Crystalline Will is something I would highly recommend dropping, even if you aren't comfortable with peril control.

[raven mountain]

I like Psychic Leeching in general. But I run EP with assail rather than BB. Just casually generates toughness for yourself and your team. Always feels good to me.

[nocturne dust]

It will help you learn to control peril in the long run.

[jagged quarry]

yes, I actually control it p^retty wel lalready, I think I will drop it

[raven mountain]

I do feel like you're missing out on the toughness+movespeed on crit as well as the crits make you do more warp damage if you're using voidstrike, which is traditionally a crit staff.

[jagged quarry]

i use mainly charged attack with the staff

[raven mountain]

Yeah, that's still right.

[nocturne dust]

Voidstrike generally pairs with assail

also perilous assault is awful

[jagged quarry]

lol

it is a bit useless I agree

it's comfort

[raven mountain]

Yeah, it's unfortunate they gate the two "use your staff" nodes behind something so useless.

It takes you from like a .3s swap to a .2s swap

It's not like Psyker gets fun, heavy weapons like Bolter or Flamethrower that have heinous swap times.

[nocturne dust]

eh, both nodes aren't great anyway

[nocturne dust]

I doubt you'd notice it at all

Staves have high swap speeds

[jagged quarry]

yes it's sad that there aren't ore stuff abotu staff in the spyker tree

[raven mountain]

The full rmb increasing lmb damage seems good for EK, even though it costs 2 points to pick up.

[jagged quarry]

when they say "warp" it doesn't concenr staves, right?

[nocturne dust]

It's not really. RMB builds don't really use lmb, and LMB builds don't really use RMB (outside of crushers)

[zinc phoenix]

Unless force greatsword is a slow draw

[nocturne dust]

melee being a slow draw

[raven mountain]

warp is staves, assail, soulblaze, brain burst, and force sword activations.

And smite

[jagged quarry]

ohh ok, all that, good to know

[nocturne dust]

depends what you mean

[jagged quarry]

warp damage

[raven mountain]

I assume he's looking at things like, warp damage increased or malefic momentum

[nocturne dust]

warp kills and damage are staves, charged force sword attacks, soulblaze, and blitzes

[jagged quarry]

or this

oh okay so they mean everything "magical"

[nocturne dust]

yes

[potent echo]

i hate this talent

[raven mountain]

It's not as good as Agile Engagement, but it's perfectly good for general use.

Gunker with assail swaps it pretty easily. But if you're a staff psyker, I guess it means you have to melee?

[nocturne dust]

You're talking about perilous assault?

[raven mountain]

Malefic Momentum?

[nocturne dust]

oh

[raven mountain]

Oh, he was looking at the other picture. xD

[nocturne dust]

MM is fine, yeah. It's not really good outside of gunker tho, since staffkers are almost exclusively warp kills unless they're forced into melee

[raven mountain]

Yep

[jagged quarry]

i just looked at the scoreboards and I don't do a lot of critical hits

[raven mountain]

Then you're not shooting enough or you haven't invested enough in crit.

[jagged quarry]

even when I dealt the most damage, I am behgind in number of crits

[raven mountain]

Yeah, based on that tree you linked, you skipped out on 10% crit from tree, and you probably didn't add 5% crit to your staff, and you didn't take the forced crit on headshots.

[nocturne dust]

Psyker generally sits around 20-40 crit chance on Voidstrike

[raven mountain]

And I have no clue if you took peril crit on your staff.

It's just really easy to lose 10-15% crit chance just because you didn't know to force it in.

[nocturne dust]

get rid of Focused Channeling, get rid of +unarmored

[raven mountain]

Yeah, you didn't take 5%+5% crit in your perk+blessings either

[nocturne dust]

Use either flurry or surge, use either +crit chance or +maniac

[raven mountain]

So you're just outright missing like 20% crit chance and double shots on crits.

[jagged quarry]

so this one then?

eh no

[nocturne dust]

no

[jagged quarry]

not this one

[nocturne dust]

never take crit damage

it sucks

[jagged quarry]

yeah it's a mistake lol

why maniacs?

[nocturne dust]

There are quite a number of enemies that are maniac

but generally I prefer crit chance

[jagged quarry]

oh, I thought it was a type, like the "berserkers"

[nocturne dust]

It's armor type

Maniac, flak, carapace, unyielding, and 'unarmored' are all health types

bosses and ogryns are unyielding (except for crushers which are carapace)

maulers are carapace heads on flak bodies

[nocturne dust]

most elites are flak, specialists are varied.

[nocturne dust]

Yep, that's good

You also want to dump blast radius on the staff

[jagged quarry]

thnaks for the advice

[nocturne dust]

[jagged quarry]

i can't find this one

[nocturne dust]

The weapon stats

Blast radius, you want it to be 60 while every other stat is 80

on Voidstrike

[jagged quarry]

so I have to find another staff?

[nocturne dust]

I mean, it'll work fine if it's not the case, dumping blast radius is just optimal

[jagged quarry]

but the only way is to find another staff right?

[nocturne dust]

Yes, your max stats aren't correct so you would need to look for another staff

[jagged quarry]

yeha I wasn't really understandingthe numbers there

so there is a finite number of % and they are distributed in all the different stats?

[nocturne dust]

Yes but stats only go up to 80

not 100

for some reason

[jagged quarry]

and if I add all the stats, it's always the same total number?

[nocturne dust]

Yesn't

It's supposed to be the same total

but there's gremlins in the code so sometimes your dump stat gets 61% instead of 60

or 59%

[jagged quarry]

78 damage is still good

[nocturne dust]

Yeah, it is. Really, you don't need to mess around with stats that much, it's just fairly easy and optimal to get a perfect staff

Generally takes about 300k dockets in my experience after the crafting update

[strong gulch]

Finally played a mission with the event modifier. Force sword PA triggering the tentacle heads is funny.

[cyan portal]

Two scoreboards from the same game, both players present for the entire round, surprisingly different.

[nocturne dust]

Now do PowerDI

[cyan portal]

wasn't running powerdi unfortunately

[nocturne dust]

A shame

[analog agate]

I wish he stayed with ovenproof mod. PowerDI so clunky if you want to check stats in round

[nocturne dust]

Yeah, I definitely prefer scoreboard

[cyan portal]

Yup, somewhere in the middle ground would have been ideal

[strong gulch]

Yeah ovenproof and OG scoreboard usually have different numbers.

[nocturne dust]

ah, I didn't even notice one wasn't ovenproof

[ripe obsidian]

Give me the event frame, Fatshark. >:(

I did your ten missions. I restarted the game. Give me the frame. >>>:(

[idle marsh]

Hey is this a good psyker build? saw it online https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9b4baf04-44e6-43b8-acc6-8628c20244fe/psychic-cannon

[nocturne dust]

Mmmmm, kinda questionable

I mean it's not terrible but some of the minor details are weird

[terse saffron]

yeah like taking assail cleave instead of everything cleave

what even is the purpose of assail if you already use vs

[nocturne dust]

Actually voidstrike pairing with assail is standard

Assail is useful to stagger ragers and more immediately deal with specials/spreadout shooters

[ripe obsidian]

Be cool. Don't follow the crowd. Down with Assail.

[cyan portal]

It maybe not be a perfectly tuned build, but played well it can do work https://youtu.be/K8ljE0PrNl0?si=E9Z65lnFVkENkoEX

[nocturne dust]

This would make more sense to me

[ripe obsidian]

EE on Voidstrike? Lots of downtime.

[nocturne dust]

Assail

[ripe obsidian]

Fair.

[nocturne dust]

It is a droppable node tho

[idle marsh]

Yeah that looks better

[wind spruce]

As deadvoid is saying its mostly fine but there's some weird stuff. I'll add that rampage on DS when you have assail and void is dumb af, and sprint efficiency and stam regen on psyker is especially stinky

Oh also flak on the DS is weird

[idle marsh]

DS?

[wind spruce]

Duelling sword

[idle marsh]

oh yeah

[terse saffron]

damn didnt even scroll down to trinkets

so many wasted stats all across the build

[wind spruce]

You can be super good at the game and still not know how to build

Where as I, a Chad, can do neither

[terse saffron]

yeah the skill trees are very flexible

to a point you can take inferno staff build with voidstrike and top dmg

[wind spruce]

The real secret to the psyker tree is that assail, shriek, DD is simply the correct choice for every weapon

[ripe obsidian]

Is flak/%crit the standard blessing setup for Voidstrike? I was using that, but I moved to flak/maniac

[terse saffron]

flak doesnt seem important

[nocturne dust]

Mad talk for someone about to become a warp siphon stack

[terse saffron]

depending on the build you need 25 maniac to onetap some specials

[ripe obsidian]

Flak is important for soulblaze, if nothing else.

[strong gulch]

Warp siphon? DD? Do away with keystones and go keystoneless blazing spirit illisi.

Get top damage and claim that's good because of that. (It's not. It's awful. It's fun, but it's poop.)

[wind spruce]

Goddamn I love this build. It's so beautifully fucked up

[wind spruce]

Kill it with fire

[strong gulch]

I hope and pray that the fire does that. 🙏

[wind spruce]

Why do you have the node below wildfire

[strong gulch]

No clue. I probably liked the shape of the lines better.

[wind spruce]

Understandable

[strong gulch]

Less than 100 toughness and running at gunners. Ignore ranged weapon.

[orchid verge]

is there a consensus on the dump stat for the Purgatus (Inferno) staff?

[strong gulch]

LMAO and no gunner resist.

[strong gulch]

warp resist

[orchid verge]

I thought flames were like ALL dot damage therefore Damage was dump

[nocturne dust]

I choose my talents for the ✨ symmetric aesthetic ✨

[strong gulch]

There is direct damage too. That and the DOT got boosted a lot by blazeaway.

[nocturne dust]

That wasn't really true before Blaze Away, and is absolutely not true after Blaze Away

[strong gulch]

best build ✨

[nocturne dust]

Direct Damage stronk 💪

[orchid verge]

Blaze Away is kind of consfusing on the Purg Inferno. Is it just like % of the charge time?

[nocturne dust]

no

it just stacks really quickly

[orchid verge]

From what I remember, direct damage was like in the 10s....so like 60-80% was like 2 damage

[nocturne dust]

It stacks once per lmb or super fast in rmb

[strong gulch]

The before blazeaway driect damage numbers are in the past now. It was small then, but it's significant now.

[flint pawn]

I have so many words and not enough words to word them with.

[paper harbor]

Dear psyker, Lethal proximity extend radius high peril explosion.

[radiant frigate]

boom

but does it have to be equipped

[brazen rampart]

No.

That's not how lethal prox works.

[clear heath]

how would you even explode with it equipped?

[brazen rampart]

You can't.

There's no way to break 100% peril if you aren't holding a blitz/force sword/staff.

[radiant frigate]

that is what i was going to ask

[brazen rampart]

It doesn't matter if it's equipped or not, lethal prox applies its explosion radius buff even when the bolt pistol is stowed.

[summer prairie]

Posted this earlier https://streamable.com/vaduxr

[radiant frigate]

what if large size explodination for kraks

[fresh reef]

At least I can take solace in the fact that you didn't actually use this

Since it's games lantern

(you won't use it no balls)

[nocturne dust]

....

I'll do it tomorrow.

[polar drift]

Is the soulblaze build still reasonable?

[nocturne dust]

Wdym?

[raven mountain]

Soulblaze is still strong, sure.

[nocturne dust]

Soulblaze build is still very good.

[polar drift]

Forcestaff / Blazing Spirit / Warp nexus

[nocturne dust]

Fire trauma is the trauma-iest

[polar drift]

Just returned after weapon update and am seeing builds I am not used to floating around

kk - ty all

[raven mountain]

fire blast and purgatus are still great.

[nocturne dust]

All staves are strong right now.

[polar drift]

What do people run with Equinox Forcestaff typically these days

?

[raven mountain]

Basically, Psyker gets to do nearly whatever it wants right now. It has like 7 A-tier or better builds that do very well in all content.

[polar drift]

I have fun with this staff

[nocturne dust]

which staff is that

[polar drift]

Ground circle

[nocturne dust]

Trauma/Voidblast is the normal name, lol

not to be mistaken with voidstrike

[nocturne dust]

Fire build

[polar drift]

Ah - my bad (me stupid Zealot)

ok - ty!@

[nocturne dust]

Something like this

[polar drift]

Sweeeeet - I'm in the ballpark - thank you!

[plucky flax]

I died because teammate would rather hit mobs than take 1s to rescue me from net.

[sage compass]

You died for their beloved (Their kill counts)

[plucky flax]

And he was right on top of me too, just meleeing instead of taking 1s of his time.

I was ready to rage quit

[wind spruce]

Why free bad teammate who can't even dodge trapper

[plucky flax]

Actually tru and valid.

[radiant frigate]

agony

[exotic crane]

What's the dump stat on the recon lasgun - mobility or collateral?

collateral probably?

[radiant frigate]

kollateral yes

since it is only stagger

[pine shore]

DS IV, purgatus build.
Thoughts?

[radiant frigate]

looks scuffed

[haughty star]

If you can survive off solely the one recovery perk that's good

[zinc phoenix]

I think you got the entire thing wrong somehow

[radiant frigate]

also skipping ER and then picking up peril reduction on warp siphon is uh

a choice

especially with purg

[haughty star]

No resist on purg

Gimme dat peril

[radiant frigate]

exactly

[zinc phoenix]

Mfer was like I want to drink soooooooooul and then everything else was just random shit 😂

[radiant frigate]

the thing already generates no peril

also, EE and bubble seems not great

also no pc

[zinc phoenix]

Warp charges and bubble are even worse

[radiant frigate]

also mind in motion

[radiant frigate]

real

[pine shore]

Do I get EP instead then

[haughty star]

Well I mean bubble/ws are good together

[zinc phoenix]

Just go down the left side of the tree

If you do that you will have a good purgatus build by default

[pine shore]

Remove peril from siphon and get ER?

I want specifically bubble purgatus

I already have shriek purg and I'm tired of it

[zinc phoenix]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/build-editor?id=9d74b26d-6ab7-44a3-b8ce-f59e0521e53d

This is an uncontroversial base for a purgatus build

I left 3 points free to be used how you want

[pine shore]

This is the exact build I wanted to avoid

Because I'm tired of it

[zinc phoenix]

Ok, but it’s also the build that works with purgatus

[pine shore]

I know

[zinc phoenix]

If you want to do something else use a different staff

[pine shore]

That's why I don't want it

Thanks...

[haughty star]

This for bubble if you must have assail

[pine shore]

Assail just because I wanted crits

[haughty star]

This for not bubble if you must have assail

[zinc phoenix]

Here is a void gaze build I enjoy greatly https://darktide.gameslantern.com/build-editor?id=9d74b36c-a6ee-4365-9797-a45dcd54562d

[pine shore]

and wanted to try out new souldrinker talent

[zinc phoenix]

Souldrinker is awkward af

I don’t think anyone has worked out a solid use for it

[haughty star]

And lastly this is prolly optimal for purg

[zinc phoenix]

Other staves have a lot of variant builds but imo purgatus is pretty locked in

[haughty star]

Ehh it really just doesn't benefit from scriers

[exotic crane]

How do you regen toughness with that? Genuine question

[haughty star]

Its really strong all on itself

[exotic crane]

No toughness on warp attack kill?

[zinc phoenix]

Quietude with SG and various forms of quelling

It actually generates a ton of toughness

• toughness on crit

Generally pretty safe to melee with that build whenever you feel like it

[exotic crane]

SG?

[pine shore]

also any build with wildfire is bad

[zinc phoenix]

Scriers gaze

[pine shore]

I can't belive, why do people ever take wildfire

[zinc phoenix]

Because it is good actually

[pine shore]

no it's not

[haughty star]

For purg it is

It starts your stacks out higher so it's a lower threshold to the point where soulflame really starts nuking shit

Other than that it's trash imo but for purg specifically it's good

[echo root]

Because it feeds you warp charges like no tomorrow

[haughty star]

And that

Generally I don't recommend wildfire for anything else tho. It's kinda mid

[echo root]

In Fire Reborn doesn't care if the target died to soulblaze, only that it had soulblaze on it when it died.

Yeah only on purgatus

[zinc phoenix]

Also good for blaze trauma

[haughty star]

Oh yeah that too

I'm not a blazer

[echo root]

You're right, I run it in trauma as well. Anything for more warp charges.

[zinc phoenix]

IFR is probably fine but I don’t trust it and never will

[echo root]

It's sick getting 4 charges back from 1 venting shriek alone

[pine shore]

Ok I played a mission

Build is good

@zinc phoenix @haughty star @echo root also why tf is wildfire good

What does it even do especially for purg which gets to 4 stacks of soulblaze in a second

I can kinda maybe understand it for blaze trauma, it doesnt kill and is slower at inflicting soulblaze and has less max stacks

But it's still just bad

[haughty star]

Free procs for IFR and starts bigger targets out on a higher threshold

It may not seem directly good but it's been tested to be a good grab for purg

[pine shore]

Like tested on practice?

Like directly compared with and without wildfire

[haughty star]

Its literally free damage and free ifr procs lol. Idk what's so hard to understand?

[echo root]

It enables you to farm Warp Charges off hordes that you're not even remotely close to

Get 86% peril -> Shriek into horde

You just got like 50 rolls of 10% chance for warp charges

[haughty star]

Always shriek, never goon

[pine shore]

I don't get why waste a talent point on wildfire instead of something else. Shriek already gives 6 stacks of soulblaze to everything you can see

wildfire doesn't do anything then

[echo root]

Wildfire refreshes stacks even if it doesn't apply due to the max 4 rule

[pine shore]

Anything you want to die already dies with 6 stacks

[echo root]

Only horde mods and snipers die from 6 stacks alone

You're not going to be able to directly apply soulblaze to every single mob onscreen and offscreen consistently without wildfife

It's literally there to feed you warp charges and to skip the lower ticks of 1-4 stacks

[pine shore]

Maybe I'm stupid or something. I understand correctly that 4 stacks is the maximum. If a target has 4 stacks then 4 targets around the target will each get 1 stack of wildfire

[echo root]

Correct

Now the zealot oneshot them and you got 4x 10% chance of a warp charge

[pine shore]

But that's just bad, especially for purg for which 4 stacks of soulblaze is literally nothing

I maybe get it for trauma and shriek, but why purg

[haughty star]

Bruh lol

Because normal purg users get shriek

[pine shore]

I can't use the same one meta build 100% of the time

[echo root]

Because purg makes the most fire. Do you just stand in one spot and hold rmb? Do you not more around and burn different spawn locations?

[pine shore]

Wildfire just gives so little stacks. These 1 or 2 stacks are so insignificant

[echo root]

Warp charges gives you more damage while you have them and more cdr when using your ability. If you can consistently farm them then you increase your dps by a landslide.

[pine shore]

Me firing in that direction for 1 second is going to kill someone while wildfire does chip damage

I have purgatus, I am never out of warp charges

[echo root]

You are so dense

The point of wildfire is to make every mob die while affected by soulblaze

This has been written 5 times now

And you still ignore it

[haughty star]

Fucking duh lol

So you shout more

Thats like

The entire point lol

[echo root]

You should be spamming shriek, it's a long range fire applicator

[pine shore]

I never take wildfire and even with shriek purgatus buld just pressing F gives me all the stacks I need

[orchid ibex]

It's not about stacks on the stuff immediately in front of you

[haughty star]

I mean if you fundamentally can't grasp why wildfire is good for trauma and purg is good just don't run it. But that doesn't make it any less good lol. No sense in arguing about something you obviously can't grasp

[pine shore]

I will try in once again, but I don't think I will notice any difference at all lol

[haughty star]

Thats the thing

Its not a noticeable difference up front

[pine shore]

Even in psykanium it just looks like it sucks

In perfect conditions

[haughty star]

Okay dude is just dense lol.

[pine shore]

Or maybe I am the smart one and you're all dense

[haughty star]

But Noone here is gonna tell you you right lol because wildfire is good for those weapons

[pine shore]

Obviously I can't be wrong

[orchid ibex]

It's not burning down stuff right away it's a contagion mechanic, it starts putting stacks on things you can't even see when it's going

[pine shore]

I understand how it works, it's just the amount of stacks is so pitiful

[orchid ibex]

It's a small amount of damage but you're talking about a 30 minute match where your zealot up ahead is killing stuff and moving stacks from stuff you haven't even hit personally yet. It adds up and it's also a warp charge battery for anyone running that node.

You can just skip it if you don't like it, but people have definitely argued its benefits here before on certain builds

[pine shore]

Do you not have enough warp siphon stacks without wildfire?

[orchid ibex]

I run shriek so not really, I'm constantly dumping them

[pine shore]

Maybe it's good at cleaning up garbage enemies. But I feel like WS stacks shouldn't ever be a problem in any build with soulblaze

[haughty star]

This point has been argued and tested much more than you think lol.

[orchid ibex]

Depends on the build of course, I mostly use soulblaze warp charge gain for purg

[haughty star]

And it's been pretty much universally agreed upon that it's good lol. I can't believe we're arguing meta with someone that wants to use souldrinker of all things with no pc

[radiant frigate]

mm tasty soul juice

[pine shore]

I don't know you, maybe it's like your second week playing darktide and you don't know anything. So I can't just assume you know stuff and argued before, sorry

[pine shore]

I didn't play a lot in the new update, I didn't have time to test souldrinker

[radiant frigate]

gif search is interesting

why does this show up when i search for souldrinker

[pine shore]

yea, souldrinker is not that good

[radiant frigate]

https://tenor.com/view/shwah-cute-blep-gif-25595205

[orchid ibex]

I would think people offering you specific gameplay reasons why they use it should let you know we've played longer than two weeks

[haughty star]

https://tenor.com/view/intensifies-toadkingstudios-reaper-frosty-icy-soul-sucking-suck-gif-19484654

[pine shore]

It's discord. Maybe you heard a stupid reason from someone stupid and now are trying to convince everyone it's true. I've spent a bunch of time arguing with people who have NO IDEA what are they talking about while discussing meta for Deep Rock.

[haughty star]

Yeah it kinda seems like arguing is your forte

[pine shore]

It's insane how many people just hear a rumor and spread it as truth

[haughty star]

(Its okay i like to argue on discord too)

[pine shore]

ye, I've got experience

[orchid ibex]

Typically if 3 people are all explaining it I try to listen to their reasoning at least. It feels like you're just digging in for the sake of arguing though.

[haughty star]

@nocturne dust are you sleeping?

[pine shore]

I listened. Argument of it giving a ton of WS stacks still feels irrelevant to me since in any soul blaze build WS are never an issue.
I will try running it again and comparing the numbers to see if it kills anything at all or does any damage.

[orchid ibex]

https://tenor.com/view/nosferatu-vampire-vintage-movie-black-and-white-get-up-gif-17825158

Deadvoid sensing the wildfire slander

[haughty star]

Its not a matter of warp stacks being a issue lol

Its a matter of maxing them out faster consistently to spam shriek more

[pine shore]

Are you not able to get 6 stacks in ~15 seconds?

Doesn't sound too hard

[echo root]

Souldrinker also gains an insane amounts of uptime from wildfire. Ironic.

[haughty star]

[echo root]

Do you get 6x special / elite kills every 15s consistently or manage to roll 4% multiple times every 15s? If yes then you should start a YouTube/Twitch career since that makes you one of the best players in this game.

[paper harbor]

you means, never edging (the peril?)

[pine shore]

It's a combination of special/elite kills and 10% soulblaze kills

[haughty star]

https://tenor.com/view/rumpelstiltskin-shrek-edging-anita-max-wynn-gif-1738291366090069732

[echo root]

Go and try it for 3 games then take it off. You'll notice.

[pine shore]

I will

[paper harbor]

https://tenor.com/view/jarvis-iron-man-goon-gif-5902471035652079804

[haughty star]

You dug all the way through this sleuigh of incessant babble to find this

I respect that

[paper harbor]

nah i just open psyker chat and first thing shown me that

[orchid ibex]

It was meant to be

[echo root]

You only see what you want to see

[haughty star]

Be the problem you wanna see in this world

[echo root]

It's not that easy to become an American

[haughty star]

I like to think everyone's got a little america in them

https://tenor.com/view/freedoms-internally-freedom-freedoms-eagle-america-gif-23711012

[echo root]

I bet 40k was inspired by American culture

[paper harbor]

I AM THE GUNKER,

https://tenor.com/view/muscles-guns-these-guns-arm-muscles-dwayne-johnson-gif-11210121

[haughty star]

It was inspired by doom

Like most other sci-fi we know and love

[echo root]

And doom is American, checkmate.

[orchid ibex]

Woah, I had no idea

[haughty star]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[exotic crane]

I don't think I understand how to play inferno staff without dying

so slow

[orchid ibex]

What is giving you trouble specifically?

[echo root]

You can dodge slide while charging and firing

[haughty star]

If you can scroll up through the text wall above there's a few pretty good builds for it

But yeah inferno is probably my least favorite stave. It's powerful it's just slow and gross

[orchid ibex]

I'm too much of a caveman to play a staff that can't shoot gunners farther away as well

[pine shore]

Ok I will not be testing wildfire.

1. Wildfire sucks
2. You are wrong
3. I have been on this server for longer, you are wrong
4. Wildfire bad
5. I got some error 6 times in one game and had to constantly rejoin and my whole party had freezes at the same time every 30 seconds causing us to die from bursters or even running into pits. I don't want to play this game any more in near future. Maybe sometime later when the game is better than wildfire lol

[exotic crane]

Dodge and slide sure, but I also feel like I can't deal with any threat in mild range

[echo root]

Either troll or just dumb

[orchid ibex]

Looks like you've got it figured out.

[pine shore]

Yes, I got it

Turns out darktide is just bad

[echo root]

Sprint slide onto them while doing lmb once to stagger. Then either melee or rmb.

[haughty star]

Yes in your literally 4 minutes of testing that you're likely never gonna post you've debunked what the entire psyker community pretty much universally agrees upon

[pine shore]

I want to play it, but darktide doesn't want me to play it

[echo root]

You're a short range powerhouse

[pine shore]

Didn't test anything right now

But I promise I will unironically test and reconsider wildfire again when the game is playable

[modern pawn]

Is there a bug with Disrupt Destiny stacks ? It's now the second game I'm in that my stacks last only the 4 base seconds, and I don't get 2 stacks with weakspot kills. In fact, I was keeping a close eye on it and even if I killed a few marked enemis in a row, I was still at 1 stack...

[haughty star]

Its visual only

The stacks are there you just don't see them. It's been hanging around for a couple patches

[modern pawn]

Ah I see... what's weird is that it suddenly happened, I was seeing them just 2 game ago and now not anymore

[haughty star]

Yeah it comes and goes

[orchid ibex]

Yeah, that's an obnoxious bug but your stacks are still there.

[haughty star]

I hate it because I refuse to mod dorktide lol

[modern pawn]

Well at least if they're still working but not showing, it's fine

[hybrid quarry]

Disrupt Destiny just works™️

[haughty star]

I'm pretty sure the modded toolbar shows them

[orchid ibex]

Yeah, modded ui can show them normally

[haughty star]

Some shit some neckbeard made in a basement works better than game development

Fatshark l

[modern pawn]

Well I have 2/3 mods installed but they still don't appear, so maybe, maybe not

[echo root]

It's the same with warp charges as well. Sometimes the buff just isn't visible.

[haughty star]

I might cave today and install that cheaty specialist radar one

[exotic crane]

I think I'll stick with the assail build + a gun.
I feel like a sitting duck with the inferno

[haughty star]

You can do assail with inferno

[orchid ibex]

Spideysense is one of the mods I refuse to use lol

Seems very cheaty

[haughty star]

Thats what I do cuz i can't stand being full invested in inferno

[orchid ibex]

I love purg until the riflemen show up

[haughty star]

It just sucks playing ogryn when they literally go invisible in enough enemy density

[echo root]

"I haven't been trapped/dogged in 100 hours" Always plays with Spidey sense.

[orchid ibex]

How are you guys getting caught by game mechanics!? Just use the mod that gives you the exact location of every disabler.

Spidey sense is born of weakness

[haughty star]

Looks cool tho

I can't wait until bl4 so I can put this game away lol

[orchid ibex]

I think I couldn't even use it, information overload for me from what I've seen

[radiant frigate]

what does spideysense do

[orchid ibex]

It gives visual indicators that warn where specials are

Similar to the game sound cues but basically a big colored arrow pointing at them on your hud

[radiant frigate]

like a directional wheel that says "instant death in this direction"?

[orchid ibex]

I could see it being a cool feature for deaf players but it's intended use is to just make the game easier

[haughty star]

https://youtube.com/clip/UgkxqXpvVlQFsPwLdqyp1fp75s-4fOCOxwxM?si=6havRmsGPUTaJXRy

It also makes a very loud noise with a NETT!!!! and the same with dog if either one of those is in progress

[radiant frigate]

unimmersive

reported for heresy

[orchid ibex]

That's actually the worst part. It would kill immersion entirely.

[hearty wolf]

The Psyker levelling is going good. Almost at 20 now.

Only learned how to quell far later than I would like to admit...

Few questions

1. How does Assail's quell speed stack up against staff quell speed?

2. What's the point of Electrokinetic staff? I'm sure I'm using it wrong. I just don't understand the purpose. The normal m1s don't seem to deal much damage and the charge doesn't seem to that strong (I'm using Scrier's gaze so I feel like I'm competing on using Scrier's or the staff for killing bigger things. Is this a playstyle problem or loadout problem?)

For reference, I want to use a staff in conjunction with Duelling sword and assail. (And disrupt destiny when I get it)

[zinc phoenix]

I’ve been in this server longer than you 😂

[hybrid quarry]

You won't understand that without a little insider knowledge of what DRG discussion servers look like tbf

[summer prairie]

should be the same as 50% quell speed staff

[buoyant maple]

Psyker has an innate quell speed (around 50% in the “quell speed” stat of staves)
Staves quell faster because the minimum at full empowerment is 60%, and usually you go 80%

For DS + assail + disrupt destiny, the most popular staff pick is usually Voidstrike

[exotic crane]

Is there a lore reason why you aim Heavy Las pistol like a gangsta rapper?

[haughty star]

Warp charges and shriek are mandatory for EK stave

[hearty wolf]

Thank you. That's a perfect answer.

[hearty wolf]

And noted. That makes a lot of sense. I'll give voidstrike a go.

[pine shore]

Forgive me and have mercy on my soul

[jovial juniper]

EK staff is supposed to be a quick killer of elites and specialist
When you get enough talent points you can path to Disrupt Destiny and use Scrier's to stack crit chance and crit damage

It's just that you need to be max level first

[haughty star]

Something like this should work out pretty well for mainstream EK, the two points to go to MM are not mandatory alot of people like those for KD

Basically kill every specialist you see to proc perilous combustion and yell every time you see a cluster of enemies and profit

[hearty wolf]

Last little push to 30 then and we'll see how it goes.

On another note, I tried the Deimos force sword and couldn't hack it. H1 feels like it hits at a weird angle and 25% peril generation on the empowerment feels kinda of expensive.

Also I hate the push. Fuck that push.

[radiant frigate]

deimos empower finds little use

the h2 is the real deal however

l1 h2 gives you a double stab

kills elites very nicely

[hearty wolf]

That's what I ended up doing because it felt very. Pokey.

Then I questioned why do that when I can also do pokey with the dueling sword.

[radiant frigate]

better horde clear with slaughterer or the ability to block ranged with deflector

also, it is funny that h2 headshots send anything less than a boss to the floor

push attack to open up bulwarks

things like that

[hearty wolf]

Oo that's actually pretty neat. I haven't really tried the blessings yet since I just wanted to see what the weapons were like in their default state.

The push attack to open up Bulwarks I found very huge though. The H2 also seems to have a pretty damn high stagger value

[radiant frigate]

push attack also leads into H2 if you do not reset combo

[hearty wolf]

That's worth knowing. I'll give that a go if I try force swords again.

Probably will crutch a bit more on the Duelling sword because I forgot what normal levelling matchmaking is like. It's very...questionable.

[prime elk]

i kinda wished the big poke was H1 instead

the H1 is kinda sad

[whole epoch]

I want my teammates to have no fun at all
I want to be a walking enjoyment vacuum
What's better, warp charges or empowered psionics with smite and shriek spam?

[radiant frigate]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-yoghurt-eew-eek-disgusting-gif-25426124

[jovial juniper]

Do you want better smite damage or more shriek spam?

[whole epoch]

whatever keeps my teammates from having fun

(more kills for me)

it's why I'm asking, will the soulblaze outkill empowered smite or not

[analog agate]

EP smite

[whole epoch]

[exotic crane]

I think I might be a Zealot main.
The playstyle that I enjoy the most is DS + Gun + Assail

the only psyker thing in that build is assail and dome

but then smite is also cool...

[haughty star]

Set up a macro and make a lmb ek staff to add insult to injury

[jovial juniper]

Oh now we're getting evil

[thorn cedar]

nah dont do ep

if you wanna be a straight piece of shit with smite you want it to do as little damage as possible and be using it as much as possible

so no warp bonuses, no ep, just warp charges and EResolve

hold everything down and kill nothing

dont even take fire damage on shriek

[analog agate]

Well, there is a difference between annoying. And annoying while making the game boring. EP smite is annoying and boring for everyone

[thorn cedar]

no, if you EP smite i can just walk past you no problem

if you dont have EP you're missing 2/3rds of your damage output and now you bog down the entire match by not killing even a groaner in a full charge

now that's how you annoy and bore everyone

[haughty star]

Most view the kill hording aspect of ep smite as the boring part lol

[thorn cedar]

all of it is boring if your goal is to just hold the button down

[echo root]

I wish they just remade smite. It's too similar to EK as well.

[haughty star]

Wut

Smite is low many target damage, ek is heavy single target

[echo root]

Elektro rmb hits multiple targets, no?

[haughty star]

Barely

Finger full vs s fist full

[echo root]

Smite is just so boring to play / play with.

[prime elk]

hits 2, but the second target it hits only does like 10% damage

[echo root]

That's pretty poor.

Does the electrocuted targets passive on smite interact with EK rmb?

You'd think it does

[patent mango]

real and true

[thorn cedar]

used to but no not anymore

[patent mango]

that'd be cool

it'd be funny if perilous assault was foreshadowing for slow draw weapons they're working on

[whole epoch]

yeah lesson learned i just played a game with EP and my build was too good

i meant to annoy everyone and accidentally clutched instead

[analog agate]

The prevailing theory is those extra 4 mastery points are for a new blessing that makes the chain lightning hit more targets (not sure about dmg)

[echo root]

A lot of the staff blessings needs to be reworked or custom made for staves.

[buoyant maple]

Only 2 targets
And the 2nd target takes around 30% of the first target’s damage iirc

[primal plume]

Why tf cant we make a psyker that looks like this

Psykers in art and lore always looked like freaks

But I want a more "warp touched" freakish look like her

[patent mango]

thats a navigator though

[primal plume]

Not all of them look like that though

[jovial juniper]

Real
Rending Shockwave is tailor made

[near bluff]

its cause (hidden cause technically game spoilers for RT) ||navigators are mutants that are a mixture of human and xenos DNA, in her case further modified by experiments and exposure to eldar soulstones||

in short for people that don't want spoilers shes big special OC character, thats why shes different

[primal plume]

AH

Ill just settle for her hair and face then

And her clothes

[whole epoch]

i just want psykers to look badass

bring back the old school heavy metal warhammer look

[dusk void]

FatShark needs to get psykers better cosmetics. I'm unimpressed by the current ones we have

[dusk void]

That looks badass

[whole epoch]

noise marines should have leopard print and be rocking out on machine gun electric guitars, not whatever they have now

[dusk void]

I have been trying to test the Deimos, but don't quite know the best blessings & perks to put

[dire orbit]

Real

Psyker has the weakest drip nine times out of ten

[kindred edge]

Uncanny Strike/Deflector and Slaughterer for blessings, flak + maniac for perks.

[radiant frigate]

TUBES EVERYWHERE i hate it i hate it i hate it

[kindred edge]

Never use its special, just use its H2 and aim for the head instead.

[radiant frigate]

uncanny strike + slaughterer + perks are honestly preference

if you intend to use it as an overall main weapon probably flak maniac

if you just bring it out for crushers/bosses, cara/unyielding

[dusk void]

What about one shoting mutants? then would you use its special charged attack?

[dusk void]

I would probably pair those two, since Trauma Staff literally kills/staggers almost every enemy type

[jovial juniper]

H2 to the head with maniac perk

Something like that

[echo root]

Isn't rending shockwave just a renamed version of the the rending whatever on bolters / other weapons?

[jovial juniper]

Not a just a renamed version because it's AoE

[jovial juniper]

[raven mountain]

Really? I thought one activation gave full stacks of uncanny and the strength one before the damage procs and does silly damage to carapace.

[summer prairie]

I use the special all the time

you'd want to anyway to keep your peril up and might as well use it once it's active

[raven mountain]

I can see the whole "it's sticky" thing like chain axes or it's overkill. Maybe it's a general dps loss because of the time it takes. But I've seen that special do work.

[summer prairie]

if it's just one crusher it's also a bit faster to do special l1 into l1->h2 so it doesn't get knocked down

[ruby pewter]

Can anyone help me get my Psyker penance? Need to deal 50% dmg to a monstrosity before it gets killed with brain burst in a private game

[summer prairie]

code?

[echo root]

The bolter one doesn't apply to pierced enemies?

[broken carbon]

it only applies to direct hits

[jovial juniper]

It's more that Rending Shockwave has more AoE than whatever shattering

[broken carbon]

so the AOE explosion does not inflict brittleness

[jovial juniper]

It also has a higher cap than pen flames, no?

[raven mountain]

Isn't 16 (40%) the overall Brittle cap?

And almost everything shares it.

Except for that one random veteran node that can give an additional 20% debuff that stacks separately from normal Brittle.

[summer prairie]

burn rending is a separate debuff

[thorn cedar]

can we talk about how PotS literally does nothing right now and yet is still a better pick to me than ER

[raven mountain]

Meh, I like ER sometimes. I'm just annoyed that if you don't want the debuff you have to take a really, really lukewarm node. (the fact that it's bugged doesn't even hurt it that badly, it's such a weak node already)

[radiant frigate]

gladly

ER working as intended is worse than PotS not working whatsoever

[thorn cedar]

its seriously impressive

[radiant frigate]

that is a hill i am going to live on

never before have i seen a talent so actively detrimental yet hailed as supremely powerful

[summer prairie]

it makes quietude almost as bad as warp expenditure

[radiant frigate]

unironically i would probably skip it even if it did not have the peril gen reduction

[raven mountain]

I like it on my ek lmb build, and I think I still use it on my scrier's inferno. Maybe I'd run it with smite too, for lazier management.

I had to take it off my venting inferno build because it was taking too long to get to 85%.

But yeah, there's not too much that needs the kind of peril reduction you get there (and could opt into with warp charges). Not to mention anything like battle meditation. And you kinda have to take quell speed as you go by, which makes it even more unnecessary.

[buoyant maple]

can keystoneless psyker be a thing

[summer prairie]

not really except for some max toughness build

[thorn cedar]

ive done it

it isnt very good lmao

took every toughness and tdr node possible

honestly i just can't play without DD anymore

im lost without my bluebois

[buoyant maple]

what ranged weapon do u use

[jovial juniper]

Pots is literally the last piece I need for Scrier's Smite
Why does it have to be bugged

[thorn cedar]

im still super stuck on the recon xiv due to warp splitter shenanigans

but the real answer is laspee

[raven mountain]

I've done a few keystone-less psyker builds. Mostly involved taking too many nodes at the top, Kinetic flayer, both wildfire and psykinetic's aura, then deciding I had to have the crit aura too. By the time I hit the bottom, there just wasn't enough points to hit a keystone, lol.

[jovial juniper]

Hard to pass up on the bonus damage of Warp Syphon

[thorn cedar]

warp charges are pretty mid ngl

[plucky flax]

Creeping flames spam without warp charges

[raven mountain]

They're expensive af point wise.

[thorn cedar]

even worse with PotS and ER being one of two mandatory choices on the way down

[plucky flax]

If you are pro you don't mind the -toughness regen.

[thorn cedar]

if youre pro you def dont care about -40 peril gen

[plucky flax]

[dusk void]

Don't you have a lot of ways to regain toughness back?

[plucky flax]

It's tru I'm veri noob.

[thorn cedar]

you do, but losing 1/3 of all toughness gain is pretty severe

[raven mountain]

If you're pro, you just take a talentless build with white weapons only and do auric Maelstrom anyhow.

[thorn cedar]

Psykers entire survivability gimmick is getting flooded with toughness regen when casting and killing and critting

[dusk void]

It's 30%, not 1/3 (or 33.33%)

[plucky flax]

Huh I just spam surge from the back and I barely take any damage.

[thorn cedar]

i am rounding a bit

[jovial juniper]

[dusk void]

Bad rounding. I'm an engineer and can't stand with awful math

[thorn cedar]

like i said once before, if i dont press Q at least once every five seconds i will die irl

[jovial juniper]

[raven mountain]

Wait, what's Q in the standard layout?

[thorn cedar]

weapon swap

[plucky flax]

Maybe you're not that good at psyker

[thorn cedar]

i do not play hard backliners

but yea ER is just a bad offer for me

[plucky flax]

Is it hard backliner if I do 800k+ in 25 mins?

[raven mountain]

Yes

[thorn cedar]

backline is a position not a scoreboard outcome

[plucky flax]

Tru

With the most kills on everything.

[raven mountain]

It's a hard backline if you did a million in 10, lol

Those numbers don't affect your positioning.

[thorn cedar]

Generate less Perils which I use for TDR, Damage, and Toughness, and also produce less Toughness globally? Fucking no thanks.

[summer prairie]

you save 250ms or 175ms every few attacks, number goes up and feels comfy

[raven mountain]

Fwiw, the tdr and damage parts are not really problematic.

[summer prairie]

you are squishier but if you still win it doesn't matter

still not exactly a great talent

[raven mountain]

Like, you just take a bit longer to build up, but then you stay in that pocket longer and easier without having to quell.

You don't really lose your tdr and damage unless you just quell to 0 for some reason.

[thorn cedar]

But you don't really need to care either way because the interaction you ultimately fall into is hit high perils > quell briefly > do it again

that little yoyo portion of time is incredibly minor in terms of lossed output

[raven mountain]

Except you quell less and shoot more

[summer prairie]

with the node you can e.g. quell for two ticks and then do two full charges with surge

[thorn cedar]

but guess what you're taking on the way there

solidity lmao

[summer prairie]

so

[raven mountain]

Yeah. Even less quell time.

[summer prairie]

if you have to quell for additional tick, it's like your weapon attack speed is 175ms longer

[raven mountain]

Literally a touch and you go forever.

[thorn cedar]

so as a dude who gunkers and basically just tosses assail shards at 80-100% perils constantly

why would i want to lose out on generating to 100%

and also lose 30% of my toughness generation to do it

i genuinely would and do prefer mind in motion

[raven mountain]

Because you don't take it on assail gunker?

[dusk void]

As a gunker, why are you taking ER? that's only for staff psykers

[thorn cedar]

you don't take it period, but especially not me

[raven mountain]

You don't even need solidity or to quell ever as assail gunker.

You just unload and go about your day.

[dusk void]

Exactly

[thorn cedar]

with essentially every weapon you only care to not cast at over 100%

Getting to high perils is basically pure profit

everything after that is just the quell dance

and man, there are so many more competitive options to keep that yoyo going

[raven mountain]

Yeah. Getting to shoot more at high peril with less quelling is even more profit.

Less quell = more shoot

That's also the reason I'm a fan of warp unbound assail gunker. You get to 100 from scrier's then you just ignore peril and dump all of them with all the bonuses from high peril and from scrier's.

More shoot, less quell

[dusk void]

Doesn't Warp Unbound last for 10 seconds? (I'm not too sure on this)

[raven mountain]

Yeah

[dusk void]

So spam assail when at critical peril so you don't have to waste ammo. Gotcha. Might try that

[raven mountain]

I also did a similar setup for inferno staff, using scriers. But you do have to play the quell game, even with ER, to get to 20+ stacks.

Didn't do any breakpoint testing, just played it a dozen times in auric randoms. But it sure felt good.

[dusk void]

I have never used SG with any of the staves. Mostly because I like Venting Shriek with Creeping flames. But I am open to make a gunker build with SG w/ DD

Or maybe be support gunker with shield so that way my teammates won't die due to gunners

Actually, bad idea to use shield. Nvm

[plucky flax]

No one ever take er on assail gun.

So that's fair. But I dunno why you're projecting that opinion over to staves too.

[thorn cedar]

cause even for staves i dont see it

like i hear everything that was said

and i get all of that

[clear heath]

ER is fine for most staves. I think it's overhyped but still good

[thorn cedar]

but in my own gamepaly flow and in my brain

[jovial juniper]

Why? Soulstealer exists

[thorn cedar]

it's not doing anything for me

it's a benefit but it isn't a benefit that i needed or wanted and certainly not with a literal fat negative attached

[clear heath]

It lets you stay at high peril for more casts.
That's basically a dps gain at the cost of toughness loss.
It's the same thing as giving up a toughness node for more damage, which is a valid choice

[thorn cedar]

-30% tough regen is significantly worse than giving up a node

[plucky flax]

If you're not dpsmaxxing enough then fair.

[thorn cedar]

i'd easily give up all my toughness nodes for -40% peril gen if it was actually the node's effect (which makes no sense lol but as a hypothetical)

[orchid shadow]

The negative isn't that bad if you don't get hit much.

[clear heath]

If you're not dead, you didn't need the toughness.
Some people don't die from taking it

[plucky flax]

I have played surge with ER and my only toughness generation are quietude and mettle lol.

[clear heath]

I go back and forth with taking it on EK and honestly it feels like a pretty equal trade

on purg I dont take it and on trauma i do

[exotic crane]

As soon as I switch off smyker my team can't deal with crushers\bulwarks, of course

[haughty star]

Just do double wall

[prime elk]

what i do as well

[spice flame]

I did not really touch gunpsyker, is that okay ?

Using Vraks, not Agripinaa

[raven mountain]

For what it's worth, the cleave talent is funny on assail.

Also, you left out warp rider. That's huge damage for 2 points.

[clear heath]

I would trade Ethereal Shards for Warp Splitting

[raven mountain]

Use the increased assail generation talent. Having them is always better than not.

[spice flame]

oh, yeah, warp rider

[raven mountain]

And if you took the peril=cleave, it affects your melee, gun, and assail.

[clear heath]

I see you have warp unbound so I assume that means you chuck the assails at full peril
The whole point of that is to throw them out with the full cleave buff, but you don't even have it

[raven mountain]

Rather than just the one point for extra assail-only cleave. (I take both on my assailker)

[spice flame]

So maybe more like

[raven mountain]

There's a few other minor things, like depending on the weapon, I'd grab the crit aura rather than the cdr aura.

[clear heath]

Looks fine to me

[raven mountain]

But I like my infernus reconlas. So the crit is more valuable there.

[haughty star]

For base game drip psyker goes hard as hell in comparison to the others

I'm not a fan of ER at all

[raven mountain]

I'd honestly take out the melee peril reduction.

[spice flame]

I was wondering about it

[haughty star]

You get like sometimes one more cast on the staff I like it on where I quell to so it's just kinda bleh

[raven mountain]

It's fine, but I'd rather have access to more assails.

[spice flame]

Guess I'll try both

[clear heath]

I like having it's also easy to drop depending on playstyle

yeah just try with/without and see what you like

[raven mountain]

But if you use deimos or illisi with quell on them too, then you can kinda go forever in just melee.

[spice flame]

Thanks for the inputs

[haughty star]

Id swap soulstealer for quietide and lose the tdr on scriers because you have the other one anyway or vice versa

The one for peril isn't doing you hardly anything for gunker unless you're in scriers and in scriers you should be dps enough to get by on 20 percent tdr easy

[raven mountain]

But yeah, you'll quell an insane amount just spraying the horde at head level, so it's not like you need the melee quell to function. And in a pinch you can pull out assail to manually quell and build more scrier stacks.

Also, Perilous Combustion isn't that bad of a One-pointer.

[haughty star]

Also with perilous just one perk away it seems kinda redundant not to make room for it

[haughty star]

God damn it lol

[raven mountain]

Lol

Yeah. It's not like, amazing, but when you get a mixed horde, it'll melt.

[haughty star]

https://tenor.com/view/fd-gif-25482735

[raven mountain]

And the soulblaze does like the damage bonus from scrier's.

It's really just chaff clear in mixed hordes, so you won't see crazy numbers from it on scoreboard.

[haughty star]

This is what I run for gunker and it works out really nicely

I use recon 12 cuz it's funny

[raven mountain]

Also, gunkers would hate me for it, but my personal build went EP instead of DD. A bunch of extra free assails to save more ammo (and enable MM) and 45% toughness just for throwing the first three.

[clear heath]

honestly i've considered this but just decided i didn't want to give up DD

[haughty star]

Assail already gets a massive buff from dd, objectively bigger damage wise than ep overall

I also quell cancel macro my assail so I can dump like five in less than two seconds lmao

[raven mountain]

Sure. But I hate hunting the blues, and the stuff I was playing around with didn't benefit from Tranquility through Slaughter, so going down to DD felt Meh.

That's why it landed as my personal build instead of what I tell people to take, lol.

[haughty star]

Yeah. Blue hunting isn't as big of a thing anymore tbh, once I'm at 15 stacks I just stop paying attention

[dusk void]

Guys, I have a problem

[raven mountain]

But yeah, laspistol and Bistol just don't benefit as much from stuff in that path. 5 headshots? That's a whole ass clip, lol.

And laspistol fast reloads already.

[nocturne dust]

[haughty star]

Dsmn bruh must of slept like a boss

Someone sullying wildfire didn't even stir him

[raven mountain]

I just am always watching my DD stacks go down. I know they go back up during engagements, but it feels so bad watching them dip to like 4 or 5 or whatever in between. Like, "fuck this elevator—muh stacks"

Who sullied it?

[nocturne dust]

Too busy setting fire to their house

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1004447866250613048/1295449409160478781/chiquichico-ezgif.com-instagif.gif

[haughty star]

Ehh. I never do ep for assail. Funni brain burst nonsense and smiteker sure but assail almost just directly benefits more heavily off DD unironically

[raven mountain]

I think it's also that I'm already going warp rider all the time and EP is just right there in reach.

[clear heath]

tfw the fight is basically over and you're just waiting to start the elevator but someone is chasing 3 poxwalkers

[nocturne dust]

This is true, EP is dedicated to blitzes so it should do a bit more and turn them into main weapons or something. Make assail bounce off carapace rather than disappear.

Otherwise why not use DD

[thorn cedar]

As far as pure Assail benefits go, EP wins out qutie strongly.

But that's really the thing ... it's only for Assail, whereas DD is boosting your entire kit.

[raven mountain]

I'd love for EP to get a redesign buff in the vein of transforming your blitzes.

That'd be cool.

[nocturne dust]

EP should get a rework imo.

BB is way too reliant on it, it turns smite into a monster, and doesn't really change anything for assail.

[near drift]

is wildfire worth it on blazing spirit voidblast staff or nah

[raven mountain]

But I don't mind it as is. One point for smite feels good. Getting free assails and toughness on cast is comfy, just not overwhelming.

[nocturne dust]

Yes.

[raven mountain]

Yeah, it just makes assail a bit spammier.

Which works for me. No need to aim. And when you're out, back to shooty.

[nocturne dust]

I'd rather it make assails that just hover over your head and cleave stupid amounts or something. At least change how the assail assails.

[haughty star]

How?

3 bolts for free having 150 damage over 100 correct?

[thorn cedar]

not entirely just that

[raven mountain]

And it usually isn't just 3.

[haughty star]

Dd buffs the bolts almost that much as it is but it do it to all of them

[nocturne dust]

👀

[orchid ibex]

i personally wouldn't take EP over DD for assail

[haughty star]

https://tenor.com/view/i-saw-that-gif-14729957

[orchid ibex]

misclick, my bad

[raven mountain]

Every kill is 13% chance to get more free+empowered assails.

[thorn cedar]

"Sets Assail's peril cost to 0 thereby allowing to throw projectiles while at 100% peril. Does not consume a projectile from ammo pool. Enables better damage profiles for both LMB and RMB which increases base damage to 300 and 450 respectively and also the maximum hit mass limit of projectiles to hit more targets (see the Assail guide section above for a cleave breakpoint table)."

[orchid ibex]

i was going to reply to something else and forgot i had left you on reply

[nocturne dust]

12.5% with bio-lodestone, but that node is bad

[thorn cedar]

so since base damage is boosted, other bonuses are multiplicative, and since it's increasing cleave numbers, you're hitting more targets for more damage too

[raven mountain]

Not when it makes you feel good!

[nocturne dust]

you get a 7% chance anyway, it only buffs that chance

guarantee on elites is a lot better

[raven mountain]

I mean, 7 horde vs 1 elite?

[nocturne dust]

Feeling good is bad. This is WH40k, you are required to be depressed

[haughty star]

Yer but sssail isn't the greatest thing against elites so I could see 12.5 being a choice

[raven mountain]

Well, actually, it's more complicated than that. It's the upgrade from 7 to 13

[summer prairie]

Iirc EP also increases RMB assail flight time by 0.5s, big wow

[nocturne dust]

I mean it kills shotgunners, gunners, and ragers

and those get spammed like nobody's business

[haughty star]

Thats fair

Me on my way to make yet another 20 shotgunner slaughtering spree out of the dds best try to kill me with the hold of a macro button

[raven mountain]

I guess it goes from like 1-in-13 to like 1-in-7

[haughty star]

You really don't wanna get into probability math cuz that's some crazy level math's

[nocturne dust]

uh

it's not that crazy

[haughty star]

Every single enemy has that one in seven chance so it's not as clear as it sounds

[raven mountain]

Yeah, it's more than I want to headmath, but it's not too crazy of work.

[haughty star]

Its not a guarantee that means every 7th enemy will net you the result

[nocturne dust]

Right, so we simply find the ratio of elites to non-elites in auric dam

and use that to compare

[raven mountain]

In any case, EP assail is super comfy. You generate lots more assails and all of those generate toughness for your whole team.

[summer prairie]

Assail will kill more non-elites per throw

[nocturne dust]

Sure

[raven mountain]

It's not moar damage and big breakpoints, but it's some quiet and easy going power.

[nocturne dust]

It is more damage tho

by a lot actually

[thorn cedar]

i just dont know what to do if i dont have at least one blue hightlighted target on the field at any time

[raven mountain]

You misunderstand.

[thorn cedar]

im like a lost child at the mall

[haughty star]

I don't see it personally and the loss in effectiveness to the whole kit doesn't seem worth. Especially when dd already buffs it a ton

[raven mountain]

It's more damage, not MOAR DAMAGE

[nocturne dust]

Kill heretics.

[thorn cedar]

but i want the BLUE one

he make me go zoom

[nocturne dust]

If that don't work, kill more of them.

I actually hate the blue hunt

Most annoying crap to me

[haughty star]

But different strokes for different folks. I personally haven't tried it so I can't knock it

[orchid ibex]

i always feel itchy every time a teammate kills my highlighted enemy

[nocturne dust]

Always highlights the wrong target smh my head

[haughty star]

Oh come on its like the first five targets then you just existing as psyker carries it

[raven mountain]

And yeah, I landed on Bistol for the EP assail build, so I really couldn't make much use of the stuff leading up the DD, and DD itself is nice damage, but Bistol with Scriers already kinda works against non-carapace.

[thorn cedar]

so long as you landed a push or impacted a blue enemy in any way

it will at least refresh your DD stack

[nocturne dust]

Except every single time they're behind cover

[thorn cedar]

even if your teammate kills them

fun fact

[minor wedge]

Hey, a quick question. What is the dumpstat on a lightning staff ?

[raven mountain]

And I took chain Axe with bloodletter and Thunderous for funny boss bleed dps.

[nocturne dust]

or they're out of the way and making me waste time trying to kill them

[verbal thistle]

https://discord.com/channels/727074276724965407/1162146228839133223 I can help if you are still on

[haughty star]

I legitimately never pay attention to the blue men after the spool up kills and any of my replays I'm never below 12 stacks

[raven mountain]

So it's a build that just lowkey clears shit, but isn't running around like a psycho or 1-shotting trains of crushers.

[nocturne dust]

behind walls, above my head on another floor, every single time 😭

[raven mountain]

I'm pretty sure most staves are just warp resistance.

[nocturne dust]

I'm consistently around 4-7 stacks, RNG hates me

[raven mountain]

Maybe voids trike dumps blast radius or something.

[nocturne dust]

wat

[haughty star]

Assail more

[nocturne dust]

[minor wedge]

Anyone got me an answer mayhaps ?

Perchance ? XD

[haughty star]

I use the hail Mary assail to nail those little turds every once in a blue moon

[nocturne dust]

warp resistance

[raven mountain]

Hit the wrong person. Tried to answer mcderpeyes

[minor wedge]

Thankyou ^^

[nocturne dust]

It doesn't work fast enooooouuuuggghhh

[haughty star]

Res or crit. Neither are very impactful at all in the long run

[orchid ibex]

with EK i typically do res because i'm using shriek anyways

[raven mountain]

But less crit is less funny blue balls!

[nocturne dust]

Assail slowly beaming towards the blue target right before the vet nails it with a 🅱️olt from a 🅱️istol

[raven mountain]

Even if it is just a % or so, lol

[haughty star]

I would be shocked to see funny blue balls come out of a ek staff

[minor wedge]

Ty ^^

Im going for something called "smite" ?

[nocturne dust]

blue balls bad

[haughty star]

Oof

[nocturne dust]

- Sincerely, men

[raven mountain]

Actually, no you wouldn't. No electricity out of the blue balls, so no shock.

[haughty star]

https://tenor.com/view/ba-dum-tsss-drum-band-gif-7320811

[nocturne dust]

Charged Strike but for staves when

[raven mountain]

I wanted to like that so much.

[nocturne dust]

Should've been perilous assault

[haughty star]

I'm going to combine my two most cancer builds tonight into one

I'm going to run ep smite with lmb spam surge ek

[raven mountain]

I also think staff special activations should be a huge force push and held like a hockey stick check.

[haughty star]

I lowkey agree with this

[raven mountain]

Does smite even still interact with EK?

[orchid ibex]

interact how?

[raven mountain]

I think it used to give you an extra chain, back in the day.

[haughty star]

The lmb is to kill monger everything you wouldn't be able to with just smite

[orchid ibex]

@raven mountain i don't remember that

[raven mountain]

The extra chain node on smite used to give surge an extra chained target on rmb.

Though I thought they had fixed that ages ago.

[nocturne dust]

they did iirc

[raven mountain]

Another one of those, "kinda too bad," moments.

[orchid ibex]

oh huh, never knew that.

[raven mountain]

While I don't like that you get pigeon holed into stuff with wonky mechanics, I really did like those wonky mechanics.

[clear heath]

What's your lowest warp res force sword with 80 in everything else?

So far i got 40%

[haughty star]

Beloved

It is truly abhorrent

[clear heath]

not sure if i should aim even lower

[raven mountain]

The same reason I like Lethal Proximity with anything I can use it on.

Oh man. No crit-dodge. And no crit aura!

It kinda depends on how much you want to lmb vs rmb.

[haughty star]

The lmb and smite don't really crit that much

[raven mountain]

If you're leaning into smite and rmb, then that's probably fine, actually.

[haughty star]

I don't view ee as worth unless you're using a recon 12 or vraks 5 or inferno

[nocturne dust]

EE isn't too bad on lmb spam

[raven mountain]

I mean, warp crit plus aura, plus tree, plus staff, plus surge. You get like 30% crit without trying too hard.

[nocturne dust]

more worth it than most staff builds

Full auto staff when

[haughty star]

When you bind a quell cancel macro

[nocturne dust]

😭

[haughty star]

[raven mountain]

You should include lmb spam in that short list. And the autopistol!

[orchid ibex]

Why put your shameful actions out there for all to see?

[near drift]

I just want the fire bolt staff archetype or whatever it was called from VT2 where you did the faster shots with both hands (also it looks cool)

[raven mountain]

So you want the current lmb but with less accuracy and two-hand kung-fu grip?

[steel flame]

yes

[near drift]

yes

[raven mountain]

Just making sure.

[steel flame]

accuracy is for shmucks

its all about style points

[haughty star]

I'm told you can get it faster but I think this is fine

[clear heath]

Generates 29 peril instead of 21 peril when compared to a 60%.
Not bad

[nocturne dust]

I dunno, I use lmb spam sometimes, rarely. It's pretty boring, but using it once every blue moon is novel. I never use quell cancel.

[clear heath]

Very tempted to go lower but I am poor

[nocturne dust]

[steel flame]

ya i can get it to go a bit faster than that without a macro but i start running into the input buffer and it gets wonky

[raven mountain]

I added the rmb-empowers-lmb node to my EK setup, and now I have something to think about when playing it.

Now I can rmb for damage reasons instead of boredom or bulwark reasons.

[steel flame]

it sucks that one doesnt work for flame staff m1

[haughty star]

Yeah i do that too its unironically highly powerful to boss with lol

[steel flame]

for some fatshark related reason

[haughty star]

The build above is about being the problem I wanna see in this game lol. Complete cheese dominance

[steel flame]

fire smite is fair and balanced

[haughty star]

On a unrelated note I started dumping cleave on my dueling sword and it's basically changed my life on psyker

[nocturne dust]

lol

[raven mountain]

Honestly, I've built similarly before. Though I only put one point into EP with Smite unless I'm doing an unlimited power build.

[nocturne dust]

Max mobility on knife

zoom

[haughty star]

The difference in dodging between a 60 mob and 80 mob ds is insane

I also wanna make one for a mkv that has 8080 on def and mob but unsure what I would dump

Prolly 7070 not damage stats

[steel flame]

@haughty star have you tried lmb spam scriers inferno staff. you essentially have a forcefield made of fire through which nothing may pass without perishing. with empathic you totally immune to ranged damage too

[raven mountain]

Oh god. I honestly haven't looked into exactly how the inferno lmb builds stacks. I've always had used it for space.

[steel flame]

btw

m1 for inferno stacks blaze away

because why not

[raven mountain]

Yep

[nocturne dust]

yes

[steel flame]

if you max your crit chance, you are dealing 300-400 damage per direct damage tick on crits, plus soulblaze damage

[nocturne dust]

yes

yes

[raven mountain]

Go one step further and run scrier's to push that into like the 400-500 range per puff!

[steel flame]

this is with scriers

[raven mountain]

Ah, less funny, but still good.

[silver echo]

tbh purg already staggers everything now with blaze away even just using rmb

[steel flame]

imagine

[nocturne dust]

Crushers:

[steel flame]

if they gave the flame staff....the flamer m1 blessing

[nocturne dust]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-jumpscare-cat-meme-jump-jumping-gif-183729193180374195

[steel flame]

that ignores 60% sagger resistance on m1 attacks

[nocturne dust]

[steel flame]

flamer can stun lock crushers with it XP

[silver echo]

me: