psyker-class

[verbal thistle]

you can build it for more aggressive play

[jagged quarry]

You mean quicker cast?

[verbal thistle]

yes

[raven mountain]

Quicker cast and stacking them both together, yeah.

[verbal thistle]

instant BB

[raven mountain]

I still don't like it, but it's a thing.

[verbal thistle]

for a more reactive playstyle

[analog agate]

warp flurry makes electro staff feel liek garbage. Sound bug makes inferno staff annoying af. Sigh

[buoyant maple]

People have been getting banned for complex macros like L1 swap cancel, the quell cancel m1 one is no exception and being reported can get u banned

It’s your choice at the end of the day

[haughty star]

Idk kinda just sounds like a cope without any sort of evidence or even so much as a forum post about it

[quartz barn]

i have never heard of anyone getting banned over macros what

[haughty star]

This discord would be the place you'd hear about it p much and I'm in here all the time

[quartz barn]

as long as it doesnt impact others fs doesnt care

[buoyant maple]

Again, it’s your choice at the end of the day

[quartz barn]

ye ok but thats different

[buoyant maple]

If u use it and end up getting reported & banned, that’s kind of ur own fault

[analog agate]

I have also only seen, like, 1 or 2 macro users with the surge blessing. I'm sure it is more likely if you are playing where chinese players can connect to you more often

[quartz barn]

uhh

lmb spam has been super common after the talent rework

and i see people with obvious macros all the time

[analog agate]

idk. Not on east servers for me

[quartz barn]

could also just be tied to the difficulty

[haughty star]

I use it sometimes and usually people think it's cool as hell. I've not had one person complain about it

[quartz barn]

people complaining about it in here just do so out of principle

which is fine i guess

but cmon dont project to others about it being an actual issue

[patent mango]

we got lmb spam builds before force gs....

[haughty star]

Its kind of a meme because if you're built for it your running a heavily gimp3d build lol there are situations where it really suffers

I really don't score any higher than I normally do with psyker from what my buddies with the scoreboard say. I'm usually toppin unless there's someone super neckbeardy in our pub slots

[fringe garden]

Fatshark honestly allows some mild cheating. The mod that auto targets any enemy you are looking at every 2 seconds is basically cheating.

Pings them, whatever

Or the other that gives a little directional notification of where specials are approaching from. That's mad cheating.

I'm not saying these need to be removed. Just showing that Fatshark is pretty lax with their definition of unfair

[prime elk]

that's what audio cues are supposed to do but don't

[fringe garden]

That's true enough

[haughty star]

I think people mainly just find it annoying because of the sound and special killing lol

[patent mango]

i hate when poxbursters in doors dont make any noise

[prime elk]

i hate when poxbursters dont make any noise

[patent mango]

i hate poxbursters

[quartz barn]

wait im confused

[tacit stump]

malleus monstronum should be easier by the maelstrom mission with lesser monsters or not

[quartz barn]

'mod that auto pings when looking at an enemy'

thats just people rebinding their ping to lmb lmao

[tacit stump]

why

[quartz barn]

old yt strat from when the current talent tree launched

[tacit stump]

no i ment the auto pings

the lesser monster still do completely sense

old does not mean bad just as new isn't alway bad

[zinc phoenix]

Yeah I saw a guy running that + an auto clicker. Total bullshit

[zinc phoenix]

Every time I bring this one up I discover 90% of Darktide discord members are hearing impaired

And therefore have every right to run a mod that gives you a constant rundown on the relative position, distance and type of every special in the game + warnings when a net or dog are inbound

[mental grail]

relatable

[prime elk]

you do realize that the audio cues often just straight up break in the game at higher difficulties?

which of course the devs don't realize, because they only play on malice

[zinc phoenix]

Yes and despite that I got my ass and mgs 🤷‍♀️

Without running cheat mods

[prime elk]

well i don't like it when crushers and bursters are silent

"cheat" mods wouldn't be necessary if the game actually worked as intended lol

[zinc phoenix]

As long as you can acknowledge it gives an unfair advantage over players that don’t use it I don’t really care 🤷‍♀️

[prime elk]

how is it unfair? everyone on the team benefits from one player out of four realizing a silent pox burster is about to ram himself up the ogryn's anus

[tacit stump]

i know only my dodge count

[zinc phoenix]

Come on now 😂 I don’t want to benefit from your cheating

[prime elk]

ok, then keep eating those silent bursters and crusher overheads lol

[exotic crane]

unfair to the hairyticks

[prime elk]

oddball prob thinks the full auto mod is cheating too

[analog agate]

you can make the arguement all mods are cheating

[zinc phoenix]

Yes I mean obviously

[zinc phoenix]

Scoreboard isn’t cheating

[prime elk]

https://tenor.com/view/what-did-i-just-read-reading-samuel-johnson-joshua-reynolds-reaction-gif-14997728

QOL mod = cheating

understood

if anything the full auto feature should just be incorporated into the base game lol

it shouldn't even be a mod

nobody deserves to get carpal tunnel over any game

[zinc phoenix]

If you use a full auto mod to click faster than you possibly can it’s obviously cheating. I wouldn’t mind if it were part of the game but it isn’t

[prime elk]

the full auto mod doesn't let you do that

[zinc phoenix]

It’s the same reason they ban auto clickers in a ton of other games

[prime elk]

you fire at the same RPM with or without the mod

[zinc phoenix]

Yeah idk I saw a guy using mods who was auto rotating toward all incoming targets and nailing them with staff while maintaining an impossibly high rate of fire because of more mods

[patent steeple]

neither is Numeric UI, Item-Naming (Name It) or Automatic Melk reward-claiming (Better Melk)

[prime elk]

that's something else

[zinc phoenix]

Yeah that’s all fine

I’m even fine with the thing that tells you where idols/grims/etc are because that’s just memorization

[prime elk]

pretty sure better melk is obsolete now

[analog agate]

scoreboard could be cheating because it can objectively tell you how your build/you are doing. otherwise it is just vibes. So it helps you better your build. Not that I necessarily agree with that. But your logic of "unfair advantage" doesn't work when mods aren't available to everyone

[exotic crane]

it's a coop game

the only advantage is over the AI

[prime elk]

i guess it matters for people who are racing for damage and yellow numbers

oh wait, that requires the scoreboard mod

[analog agate]

What you consider cheating is a very personal belief/line. Only way for it actually matter in a game is if the dev allows it or not

[zinc phoenix]

I don’t use scoreboard 🤷‍♀️

[prime elk]

yeah fortunately the devs have a very reasonable stance

though some mods are definitely in the cheaty territory lol

[zinc phoenix]

I’m just fine with people using scoreboard

[analog agate]

Yeah, but the point is it isn't cheating if the devs allow it. No matter how you feel

[prime elk]

yeah pretty much

[zinc phoenix]

Auto clickers are cheating in every other game

[prime elk]

uh no

it's a case by case basis

[zinc phoenix]

That fatshark doesn’t care like they don’t care about most other things like bugs or silent enemies is just them being themselves

[prime elk]

iirc WF ended up integrated auto clicker directly into the game

or some other big shooter game did

because they realized clicking a thousand times per second isn't good for the player

[zinc phoenix]

I’d rather they not design guns like that

[patent mango]

wf added auto melee so u can just hold e down lol

[zinc phoenix]

But they do

[prime elk]

i mean semi auto guns are always going to be like that

[zinc phoenix]

Which imo is a sign of shitty melee design

[prime elk]

and fast attacking melee weapons too

[prime elk]

bro you're just knocking it out of the park with these shit takes

[queen fog]

ngl i havent used this auto melee at all

[zinc phoenix]

Why would I play a game where I literally hold down left click and walk forward to win

[queen fog]

muscle memory doing me dirty

[prime elk]

WF melee combat is pretty fucking good

[zinc phoenix]

😂

Sure

[patent mango]

wf is super eepy

[zinc phoenix]

“Hold left click to win” great game a++

[prime elk]

like the combat in general is one the best of any MMO

[zinc phoenix]

MMO 🤢

[prime elk]

it sounds like you just haven't played it and are hating on it for... no reason?

[patent mango]

mmo combat is usually like guh

[zinc phoenix]

I’m hating on it for being obviously bad

[patent mango]

i mean tennokai was good in wf

[prime elk]

hmm yeah dogshit game

[patent mango]

but the game lacks any difficulty........

[prime elk]

obviously bad

[zinc phoenix]

Millions of people like marvel. Marvel is also shit 🤷‍♀️

Lots of people have obviously shit taste

[prime elk]

"everyone has shit taste except for me"

[zinc phoenix]

Plenty of people have good taste

[queen fog]

but muh space ninjas play free

[zinc phoenix]

That’s why warframe isn’t the only game on the planet

[patent mango]

wf gameplay is eepy other than the movement

[zinc phoenix]

Thank fucking God for that

[patent mango]

the movement is good

[prime elk]

i'm guessing you have a pretty high opinion of your own tastes lol

[prime elk]

literally the best in any third person shooter i've played

i hate third person shooters usually

[zinc phoenix]

Man we’ve known each other for years you think what you want 😂

[patent mango]

i wish the enemies werent hilariously slow in wf

give them some movement too

[prime elk]

what i think? you should stick with strategy games

[patent mango]

you know they're slow when people use builds to make them faster lmao

[patent steeple]

this conversation is getting out of hand (assuming it hasn't already, depends on POV I guess)

[prime elk]

well most of them aren't literal space ninja gods

[patent mango]

teach them some parkour

[prime elk]

hello lotus, grineer sympathizer here

[plucky flax]

@split lance my boi I finished my leg sleeve. I am in agony

[raven mountain]

Wait, holding E until there's nothing left on your screen is great melee combat?

I know heavy attack builds are a thing, but basic-bitch blender builds work just fine into 4-digit levels.

[split lance]

Ayyyyeee show

[raven mountain]

Is it still a sleeve if it's on your leg? Wouldn't it be a pant?

[late sapphire]

Warframe sux fellas

[plucky flax]

Arm sleeve leg sleeve. D:

[raven mountain]

😛

[plucky flax]

Just my back now and I'm done. I'm too scared I heard it hurt a lot too

[summer timber]

what do y'all think is better for brain burst, warp siphon or empowered psionics?

only asking cuz ive used both and personally id prefer being able to quickly kill all the specialists around me with the increased damage and better charge time than having to struggle for the siphon charges

but maybe im missing somethin

[analog agate]

Warp siphon doesn’t do anything for brain rupture. EP is what makes it feel good if you are going to primarily use it

[summer timber]

i do really like my bb

shriek is nice to have especially all the time

but when i dont have it cuz lack of charges i feel a bit useless

at long range at least

[sour nest]

Using BB without EP is torture

It's actually so terrible

[raven mountain]

Warp Charges interact with BB through its damage boost and giving you more ability uses to trigger the empowered cast speeds. It's there, but it's weak.

EP gives you the speed directly, without using an ability. Then you get another 3-4 from using your ability. If you want to look at a monster and dump a huge chunk of its hp, then EP BB is the combo.

Warp Charges are more for spammy ability and raw damage, not so much for their interaction with BB.

[vernal frost]

heya, does anyone know what the cap on blazing spirit on trauma?

[formal harness]

6

[haughty star]

I feel like ek could be just a hair stronger outright damage and it wouldn't hurt it too bad for balance

[brazen rampart]

You need to look at empyric shock and its effect on ek staff before you say such things.

[nocturne dust]

It would, such a thing would mean EK no longer has to manage buffs as much to be the strongest

[brazen rampart]

Mfw a psyker can kill an entire gang of crushers in seconds because ooga booga crit fireballs:

[haughty star]

Its really not stronger than the other staves. Just different. It is probably the easiest for someone to do well with because it's tazing ability and 0 aim requirement

[solar nest]

how are you guys doing on event? i feel very weak with that much corruption damage

[haughty star]

Ez just use gunker and delete the bons

[brazen rampart]

You do not know what you are talking about. Even as a non psyker main, I can tell you, ek is the strongest staff.

[patent mango]

deimos h2 does good bon dmg

[haughty star]

Ek lmb maybe lmao. Literally all the other staves whoop its ass in high density areas

[nocturne dust]

It really is stronger tho, with lmb or rmb spam

[echo root]

Ek = electro?

[nocturne dust]

It charges much faster, kills off elites/specialists well before they can ever become a problem, activates PC to clear hordes, it just works

[nocturne dust]

yeh

[echo root]

I think Electro > Purgatus/Voidblast > Voidstrike.

In terms of consistency

[haughty star]

Yeah ek is easiest

[nocturne dust]

I would agree with that

[echo root]

Purgatus is easiest

[haughty star]

By no means is it straight edge the best tho

[echo root]

Source, I play 90% Purgatus

[nocturne dust]

I would agree with that too, lol

[echo root]

Purgatus with a good setup just deletes everything except crushers while maintaining acceptable boss dmg

[nocturne dust]

I mean, sure there are niche situations in which a different staff would be better, but generally speaking EK just performs better and makes runs smoother than other staves.

[haughty star]

Purgatus is trickier because at least with pirg you have things to be afraid of lol. Surge just tazes everything I could literally sleep while using surge

[echo root]

I am not afraid with purg

Just blazing away

You motivated me to get out of bed, I've been doomscrolling for 2h. Time to perform badly in some maelstroms

[haughty star]

Actually as a point of contention lol my monitor shut off for its oled refresh cycle the yesterday mid match and I kept myself alive for 3 minutes completely blind with surge lol. A literal child could use that stave so I could see why one would think that surge is the best

[brazen rampart]

I'm not even referring to ease of use. It just does sickening amounts of damage.

[nocturne dust]

It does do the damage

[haughty star]

Not shit compared to voidstrike or trauma in terms of high density

[nocturne dust]

Nah

Trauma and Voidstrike both have long charges

Voidstrike especially

[haughty star]

I can kill like 8 crushers at once with 2 crit shots from a vs. That is something a surge will never do lol

[patent mango]

man iron arm in rogue trader is so cool why does dt not have that

[brazen rampart]

Wait until you see molten beam...

Oneshot bosses...

[nocturne dust]

Sure, and EK will just let you juggle them with stuns 🤷‍♂️

no crit needed

[haughty star]

Yes because everyone knows not killing things is always the best way

Non ep smite user spotted

[patent mango]

i did bladedancer assassin biomancer it was fire

makes me w ant a melee psyker in dt even mor.....

[nocturne dust]

lol, it's like saying the thammer is best because of its single target damage

[haughty star]

Thats what you're doing with surge lol

[nocturne dust]

No u

lol

[haughty star]

Voidstrike can actually shoot many things at once and so can trauma and can proc all the abilities that make it usable

[patent mango]

really just unchained in dt would be peak

[nocturne dust]

Voidstrike kills things down a hallway but it's slow and relies on crits

[brazen rampart]

You should try warrior arch militant pyromancer. You can cast molten beam twice in one turn once you get close to act 2 and it'll just instagib anything you point it at.

[haughty star]

Bruh surge literally lives on crits lmfao

And the yell

[nocturne dust]

EK is faster and is essentially the revolver of staves, but worse because it enables PC

[patent mango]

oh i tried a pyro vanguard warrior in a diff save

it was funny too

[nocturne dust]

no it doesn't

[patent mango]

molten beam looks cool

[nocturne dust]

Surge needs perfect timing, sure

but it hits good BPs without crit

[haughty star]

It does literally fuck all for damage without crit lmfao wym

[echo root]

Stop fighting and start kissing

[nocturne dust]

wat

excuse me?

[analog agate]

With deadvoid. Void strike much inferior to electro

[nocturne dust]

Have you used the staff?

[haughty star]

I've probably used it more than you lol

[nocturne dust]

Its damage is in PC enabling.

[haughty star]

Something that literally any weapon can do

[nocturne dust]

and learned less

[patent mango]

surge crits are crazy

[nocturne dust]

No other weapon can do it as fast

[haughty star]

Erm

I'm just gonna let you stew with that one my guy

[nocturne dust]

Guns you have to aim

Voidstrike is a much slower charge

[haughty star]

Yeah we've established already that surge is a favorite because it's stupid easy to use.

[patent mango]

the other staves are annoyig to use

[nocturne dust]

Whatever, I don't know how you consider voidstrike stronger

or even strongest

[haughty star]

Literally anytime a mixed horde is dense and coming straight at you like many many chokepoints on all the maps voidstrike walks all over surge

[nocturne dust]

It doesn't because the mixed horde dies to PC

[brazen rampart]

Bro can't even dodge correctly, and you expect him to have a coherent argument?

[nocturne dust]

Literally wipe the floor with any group in a couple kills

[haughty star]

Yeah cuz no groups have crushers in them

[nocturne dust]

EK's ttk on crushers isn't worse than voidstrike when they're not in a line

because of how quickly EK charges

[haughty star]

I feel like people who are bad at the game like surge more

[brazen rampart]

At this point you're wasting your breath. He knows he's been beaten so he's just doing ad hominem to bait you into saying more.

[nocturne dust]

I feel like people who are bad at the game like voidstrike more

[haughty star]

Bro who the fuck even are you? Lmao

[brazen rampart]

Someone that knows how to dodge.

[nocturne dust]

Probably true

[haughty star]

Literally have 0 clue what you're talking about

[kindred edge]

Man, I don't even care which of you is right (it's DeadVoid) I'm just tired of the argument.

[haughty star]

Weird that all the non psykers agree that surge is best lol

[brazen rampart]

I've seen the PowerDI from that match you played with Dorn.

[patent mango]

i wonder if fortshark is addingg premium subclasses

[haughty star]

I was using left top and bromentum with dueling sword to try it out

[brazen rampart]

Yeah, that's sad.

[haughty star]

And last I checked witch hunting is against the rules so shut the fuck up

[brazen rampart]

IJ with ds is light work.

[hearty wolf]

@nocturne dust @brazen rampart hello frens, I just started my psyker. Am I going down smite or assail for blitzes? Iirc people prefer smite?

[radiant frigate]

hello siblings what is happening in this channel

[kindred edge]

Dumb shit

[nocturne dust]

I wish they'd just keep the monetization to cosmetics, but I think Darktide will die if they try that

[brazen rampart]

They serve different purposes entirely, you should pick your blitz based on what your weapons lack.

[patent mango]

i just want a melee psyker subclass i'd pay so much for it lmao

[brazen rampart]

Smite will lock up a bunch of stuff and do knockdowns, excellent for keeping elites away from your team. Assail will destroy hordes without a second thought.

[nocturne dust]

Smite is stronger but imo more boring. If you're levelling, assail is stronger (scales better at lower difficulties).

I would recommend using assail while you level.

[brazen rampart]

I can't, in good conscience, recommend smite, because it's not very fun to play with or to have a teammate use.

But assail is good fun.

[patent mango]

assail is the only fun psyker blitz imo

[hearty wolf]

Thaaank you.

@brazen rampart Also, since I am just being a brainlet at the moment, I'm just running ds with EK staff (since I saw it mentioned before).

[haughty star]

Assail is amazing at all difficulties if you're not bad at the game

[nocturne dust]

BB is fun, it's just not... anything else, lol.

[haughty star]

But smite deffo the go to with ek cuz you need pa to do good with ek for your shout procs

[nocturne dust]

huh

EK can make use of KF or smite

[hearty wolf]

The reason I didn't talk about BB is because iirc the reason I stopped levelling Psyker was because BB felt extremely slow and I couldn't do anything meaningful with it. I literally abandoned playing it and went straight back to Zealot

[nocturne dust]

Yeah

BB is awful

[patent mango]

bb is so slow by default lol

[nocturne dust]

generally only take it for Kinetic Flayer or because purgatus

imo

[patent mango]

and people just shoot the funny blue targets

i dont blame them tho

[nocturne dust]

It's why I rmb in secret, lol

Can't steal my target if there is no target

https://tenor.com/view/think-about-it-reece-simpson-kayode-ewumi-roll-safe-meme-gif-17305682

[haughty star]

Bb is garbage without being built for using bb

[patent mango]

when does assail get an extra passive talent like the other 2 tbh

[nocturne dust]

Assail is kinda passive, it just needs a bit longer duration to float around

[hearty wolf]

Doing something like this for now then. Doubt it really matters but I want it to feel like fun so I don't quit like last time lmao

[nocturne dust]

Just be careful about exploding yourself during lag spikes

[clear heath]

still waiting for game to give me hishock mutated horrors

[haughty star]

Lag spikes might be a you thing my guy this game runs smooth as butter if your playing at the right settings

[hearty wolf]

I'll try my best. I'll probably be 30 tomorrow and report back

[clear heath]

tried high int mutated and it was boring as hell

[nocturne dust]

Sure but I can't find those settings

[hearty wolf]

In the 20 seconds I've been in this chat, you just yapyapyapyap

[nocturne dust]

It used to run smoother for me but I'm on the lowest settings now and it still stutters sometimes

[prime elk]

just buy a 5090 bro

[haughty star]

That sucks man

[spice veldt]

this game's networking is notoriously bad compared to other games

it's no secret

[nocturne dust]

but those aren't even lag spikes

I get actual lag spikes which settings do not change, lol

[clear heath]

go even lower and get the arcotash graphics

hi arco

[spice veldt]

hi json

[nocturne dust]

the wat

[haughty star]

Its really not. Maybe like 2 years ago this would be accurate but I rarely see issues with latency on use

[clear heath]

edit the settings file until the game looks like it's made of playdough

[kindred edge]

Not saying you're wrong, but I hear this about almost every multiplayer game, I swear

[haughty star]

Its never a internal problem

[spice veldt]

that's fair, but everyone that I know who has bad internet has compared darktide with other coop games and have stated that darktide is especially bad for them in darktide

[blissful solar]

shooting enemies sometimes doesnt count even if they bleed

[nocturne dust]

I want to be fair here, the network issues only happen for me on this specific game

[spice veldt]

i'm really not exaggerating here when they've all said that darktide is particularly bad

[nocturne dust]

I don't have network problems playing any other game

even VT2

[spice veldt]

like if your internet is good, then you won't have problems with darktide

[blissful solar]

are there people in this world who have never seen a fake blood spurt? is it really my internet?

[spice veldt]

e.g., i've never had any bad problems with darktide when i was on ethernet, but it's gotten particularly bad compared to other games now that i'm on more flimsier wifi

[clear heath]

I have to play on far away servers sometimes when playing with my friends.
I know the pain

[nocturne dust]

I'm on cable 😭

[clear heath]

the way this game rubberbands you when you take knockback is actually horrible

[haughty star]

Cable gross

[clear heath]

and the hitreg is...

[kindred edge]

My PC is always wired net. Wi-Fi is for phones.

[spice veldt]

the animation lag prediction could also be better

[blissful solar]

you can totally hit enemies when you miss and miss enemies when you hit in darktide

[spice veldt]

sure, and not everyone is in the luxury of being able to wire up to the modem

[nocturne dust]

rubberbanding happens on your position and on weapons

[spice veldt]

i don't disagree that wired is strictly better

you preach to the choir

[nocturne dust]

It's truly terrible when you try to swap weapons and the game refuses

[haughty star]

Wireless is totally acceptable these days provided you've got a 5ghz or 6e router

It adds like 10ms of ping when I disconnect the cable and connect to my 6e

[radiant frigate]

sticky fingers

please i would like to block

[kindred edge]

I know it is, I'm just old and stuck in my ways

[nocturne dust]

I have the ping mod and generally I start noticeably lagging around 110+ ping

but sometimes I lag anyway below that, I'm not sure what is going on in Darktide's netcode

[haughty star]

Have you thought about 5g? Or are you like a subletter or smth

[clear heath]

I play on 170 ping when with my friends, but i have the luxury of it mostly being stable
It's usually only bad when i'm taking knockback or trying to aim shit

[nocturne dust]

I meant ethernet cable

[clear heath]

twbs on zealot saving my ass from horrid knockback rubberbanding

[haughty star]

Ohh. Yeah i was boutta say if you're still stuck on dsl or cable just jump to 5g. I downgraded to it from fiber and have 0 complaints

[kindred edge]

I wish fiber was available here.

[nocturne dust]

Lawd, someone still being on dsl in this day and age

🙏

[clear heath]

I actually am on cable but it's mostly fine

[kindred edge]

I'm on cable. Average around 850mbps down

[nocturne dust]

Although I think the network problems are often unrelated to connection

[clear heath]

300mbps down 15mbps up
cable with its shit upload speeds as always

luckily that doesn't matter much

[haughty star]

5g is an acceptable substitute. I was paying 125 a month for 500mb/s and now I pay 45 for 350mb/s but it's pretty consistent at my max rating

[nocturne dust]

Like, there are periods of time where it will just be problematic to play for me, and my connection will be fine but the game acts as if I'm pinging into the next dimension

[haughty star]

Fiber would bounce between 250 and 400 but almost never 500 lol

[blissful solar]

xfinity recently made their upload speeds almost as fast as their download speeds. it's nice actually

[clear heath]

my isp has been saying they'll start offering 300mbps on upload "soon" for the past 2 years

[broken carbon]

live in fear of my 1gb download and 1gb upload fiber optic

[haughty star]

I could have it its just expensive and useless to have those speeds

[clear heath]

oh wait no it's 150mbps

[broken carbon]

it was cheaper to swap to gigabyte fiber and maintain it compared to our previous really bad wifi

spectrum moment

[kindred edge]

Biggest question: have you painted your router red? Free speed boost.

[haughty star]

No no it's the cable on the side of the house

[nocturne dust]

It's true, you know.

Use red cables.

[kindred edge]

Do people not use red cables?

Just leaving speed on the floor at that point

[nocturne dust]

mine's blue, must be why I lag

[clear heath]

I waited because it was hunting grounds
I regret waiting

[kindred edge]

I had some purple cables somewhere but I can't find them

[nocturne dust]

https://tenor.com/view/weakness-disgusts-me-madara-uchiha-madara-naruto-weakness-disgust-me-gif-17219305

[haughty star]

I love hunting grounds

[blissful solar]

hunting grounds is ez

can even make you stronger

[clear heath]

Hunting grounds isn't hard enouhg

[nocturne dust]

Hunting grounds is fun for the nonsense kill feeds

[clear heath]

I want shock troop

[kindred edge]

Single void blast and the feed is full of dead pox hounds lol

[haughty star]

One assail proc

[clear heath]

My mutated horrors runs have not been very interesting but I haven't had shock troop on it yet so maybe that'll make it more fun

too bad the game won't let me

[haughty star]

Just grab a heresy one

[clear heath]

ew

[haughty star]

Those can be even harder

[nocturne dust]

Eh, idk

Even if the team is worse, I can carry heresy much easier than dam

[haughty star]

I just play whatever is on the auric board that I like lol. Blocking yourself off to damnation only is kind of a weird flex.

[clear heath]

But i like damnation

[nocturne dust]

I play dam cuz I like dam

🤷‍♂️

[haughty star]

Just like people that brag about doing maelstrom like bruh maelstrom is usually easier

[clear heath]

I also play what i like

it happens to be damnation

[nocturne dust]

I just do dam quickplay

I don't bother selecting a mission

[clear heath]

I just wanted to give mutated horrors a fair chance.
Doesn't feel right to write it off as boring if i don't run it with hard conditions

But they won't even show up

[radiant frigate]

is it

[nocturne dust]

I like the boss spam on mutated horrors but the exploding enemies is nonsense and kinda just annoying

[haughty star]

Id rather carry a quick heresy than just sit there waiting for the board to update but I guess I'm crazy lol

[broken carbon]

every other difficulty is boring

[radiant frigate]

some of the modifiers are just "lol"

[haughty star]

For psyker mains yes

[kindred edge]

It's been pretty boring for me so far. Sometimes the vet blows me up and there's a lot of bonbons. That's it.

[haughty star]

Most of the positive conditions make psyker crazy op

[radiant frigate]

every psyker gangsta until monstrous specialists

[haughty star]

Gunker

[radiant frigate]

disregarded since that is no longer psyker

[nocturne dust]

Gunker doesn't make monstrous specialists easier than other classes tho

[broken carbon]

there are a couple that are easier, but AI-II, 3veg, civi, and a few others are all the hardest in the game

[radiant frigate]

scab meleestrom is difficult because of the sheer amount of things that can potentially oneshot you

[clear heath]

I don't find melee maelstrom that fun tbh

[nocturne dust]

just max defense so you can no longer be oneshot

[clear heath]

it feels kinda repetitive

[nocturne dust]

[haughty star]

I like meleestrom because I can just feel the seething of the inferior classes as I nuke everything with ranged

[radiant frigate]

a lot of maelstroms are like "hyper specific nonsense that never happens otherwise and rewards incredibly specific builds"

whenever i see "extra bursters extra barrels" i just turn around and walk away

[clear heath]

yeah i skip those too

[haughty star]

Thats just free damage there

[nocturne dust]

free team damage

[haughty star]

Sometimes you just gotta make a clutch

[clear heath]

The super gimmicky conditions have just lost their novelty for me

I can only run them so many times before i get sick of them

[quartz barn]

extra bursters and barrels is fun

mfw i trauma a door and get 20+ burster kills

[brazen rampart]

Waves of mutants is hilarious with shield.

Throw a wall down and watch ~20 mutants slam their empty heads into it.

[haughty star]

The only time I ever do wall is when I'm tryna be dumb with bb

[broken carbon]

its like a mirror!

[brazen rampart]

Yeah, I'm a raging, screaming idiot.

You don't have to point it out.

Meanie.

[flint pawn]

do you guys claim this psyker

[strong gulch]

I am not familiar wif that psyker.

[narrow herald]

Yes

[flint pawn]

they did the least btw

with purgatus

[quartz barn]

i see caliope and xavier all the time

xavier is ass tho

[radiant frigate]

i have never met these people

[narrow herald]

Mister E

More like

Mister PEEEEE

[flint pawn]

not a very interesting match but I mean

why did i spoiler that

[quartz barn]

what is this scoreboard setup...

[radiant frigate]

idk but it is VERY cursed

[quartz barn]

the top half is literally useless lmao

[flint pawn]

please tell me how to fix it

Idk how to set this shit

[radiant frigate]

go to mod options

[haughty star]

Calliope and Xavier are stock names for psyker

So there's alot of them lol

[radiant frigate]

untick everything from normal scoreboard
tick the things that you want from ovenproof

[quartz barn]

ye like i said i see them all the time lmao

[flint pawn]

thank

[quartz barn]

the only thing i have enabled on the normal scoreboard is revives

there 's a friendly fire stat????

[flint pawn]

dearest apologies for my heretical scoreboard

I promise it will not happen again

[hearty wolf]

So for max dps against carapace and monstros, am i full charging electrokinetic staff?

as opposed to spamming it

(nvm just learned you can hold the staff out and spam at full charge quickly)

[river osprey]

I have a legit question, this one skill is that bad overall? When I use, I can't notice difference in dmg at all or I am being dumb? xd

[buoyant maple]

it only applies +dmg against elite enemies which usually doesn't change breakpoints, on the class that cares about consistent breakpoints the least

[late sapphire]

he typoed

someone send this man 100 perils

[late sapphire]

plasteel & diamantine collected is the most important stat

[quartz barn]

nope its ammo, that way i get the highest team score while using a staff

[late sapphire]

sv trve

[river osprey]

https://tenor.com/view/the-office-michael-scott-steve-carell-explain-five-gif-5547850

[buoyant maple]

the extra dmg doesn't matter most of the time

[thorn cedar]

its rarely relevant

[quartz barn]

regular hit kills, therefore bonus damage skill useless

[river osprey]

🙏 thank you siblings

[fresh reef]

how would you make this node actually good?

[buoyant maple]

make it increase kaboom's dmg & area-dmg-distribution

[late sapphire]

if perilsing was an ogryn nade sized explosion and the corruption could be cured by the zealot aura

[fresh reef]

I was thinking it could heal you for the amount of hp corrupted

[jovial juniper]

Huh?

Like
You pop and heal?

[nocturne dust]

It's pretty meh, yes

Generally don't see people taking that aura

[nocturne dust]

Peril exploding heals you (just like when you go down) and the explosion is an ogryn nade

E z

Wouldn't be meta but would at least be 'funny haha'

[spice veldt]

i'd rework peril since crystalline will isn't very interesting because peril itself isn't really interesting

it's very binary as to whether you're OK with peril or whether you've done a very bad thing at 100% peril and now you're dead

[nocturne dust]

That sounds like whatever you'd want to go for with changing peril I would find highly disagreeable

[spice veldt]

probably

my ideal peril changes would tackle peril edging as well
my working idea so far is to set some threshold where you will take continuous health damage if you're over that limit, or to let players go over 100% peril but you take continuous damage while over

something that is more interactive instead of FUCKING DIE!!!! KYAAA!!! instantly

[nocturne dust]

I mean the whole tradeoff for edging is high risk/high reward, no?

If you don't instantly die it's not high risk

[spice veldt]

yes, but it is just too free

there's really no reason for all that peril that hits 100% to just disappear besides the fact that they didn't account for it and didn't program for it

peril edging sounds nice for a "high risk, high reward" mindset, but you're already rewarded at high peril for faster quell speed

[buoyant maple]

Having to continually have negative effects until quelled below 100% is cooler to me

[nocturne dust]

Say the non-psykers

[spice veldt]

yeah, i think going 100% would be too unintuitive

[nocturne dust]

[spice veldt]

well, psyker is my most played class by far

[buoyant maple]

What kind of argument is that

[spice veldt]

my combined hours on other classes does not reach my psyker

[nocturne dust]

Well, it makes sense that the people that don't play a class don't like it

[spice veldt]

well, I do play the class?

it is my main

i've been a psyker main since january 2023

[nocturne dust]

Sure, but I was talking about the vet main over there

[buoyant maple]

I don’t “never play psyker”

[spice veldt]

you put a plural there so i wasn't sure if you were talking about me

[nocturne dust]

Sure, and I play the other classes sometimes too

[spice veldt]

the point is, they can do something more interesting with peril instead of making it instant death when casting at 100% peril

[nocturne dust]

I don't think that'd be more interesting

[spice veldt]

it is the magic class after all

it is inherently more interesting by adding a meaningful choice between generating peril & having a negative effect (that isn't instant death) or staying at low peril

[nocturne dust]

It's more complex. That does not make it more interesting.

[spice veldt]

fine, "complex" is the better word to use

you are such a pedant at times

[nocturne dust]

🤷‍♂️

[spice veldt]

anyways, there's not much to do with the current system anyhow, and crystalline will is just symptomatic of that problem

[nocturne dust]

Those are 2 different things, idk wat you want from me 😭

[spice veldt]

i'm not here to have every exact word scrutinized like this is some dissertation

i'm sure you can interpret and recognize what my words mean instead of trying to pick each individual one apart, assuming you're not ESL

[nocturne dust]

It's not that scrutinized tho, they're fairly different

Like, interesting is a subjective argument, and you can say it's more interesting but I disagree, which I do

[spice veldt]

yeah and I'm talking in averages

of course some people aren't going to find it interesting

[nocturne dust]

[spice veldt]

i don't care about some people
I'm talking in generalities for a reason

[nocturne dust]

Rude.

I don't care about your opinion then.

[spice veldt]

that is not even at all what my statement means

[spice veldt]

once again, this is what i mean

[nocturne dust]

I'm joking

[spice veldt]

my sarcasm meter is turned off for you because it does sound like something you would unironically say

[nocturne dust]

You don't know me well then.

[spice veldt]

yeah?

of course?

[nocturne dust]

Yes.

[spice veldt]

anyways, the base mechanics of peril could use some refining

[nocturne dust]

Right, but I still disagree. It's the exact thing that turned people off of Sienna and made her the least popular in VT2.

[spice veldt]

it's just been this way since launch, and the only thing they've really done is to buff active & passive quell speeds

i haven't played vt2, so you'll have to explain

what were the pitfalls with her?

[nocturne dust]

Sienna's quelling costs HP, or temp HP if you have it

[spice veldt]

sure, and we don't have to make quelling cost HP

i never said that quelling had to cost HP

especially not in a game like this where there isn't temp HP

[nocturne dust]

Well, I'm not saying it's exactly the same, I'm saying it's similar.

[spice veldt]

players can just stay at low peril if they don't want to lose HP

you HAVE to go to high peril in order to lose hp or whatever negative debuff gets settled on

and how "high" it has to be is some broad high number

[patent jacinth]

It could just be old overcharge slowdown

[spice veldt]

the hp loss could also not be that significant

[patent jacinth]

And crystalline removes it

[patent jacinth]

Plus that

[spice veldt]

there are a lot of numbers to tweak to not make it so punishing

and that players might actually willingly choose to lose hp to cast more frequently

[nocturne dust]

Sure, but are you saying the negative consequences should be always avoided? Cuz then I don't see the point and difference between that and exploding.

[spice veldt]

no, i'm saying to create a system where players will WANT to take on those negative consequences

[quaint breach]

What do you have as dump stat on the staff and DS?

[spice veldt]

in exchange for something (e.g., casting more)

and not the binary nature of DIE!!!! KYAAA!!!

[nocturne dust]

Right, and that's similar to Sienna who still had passive quelling but had that tradeoff of HP for more casting

[spice veldt]

but for sienna, the threshold for hp damage when quelling was really low wasn't it?

i'm saying that we can tweak some numbers, such as the thresholds, to make it better

[buoyant maple]

smth like reduced % toughness gain & continuous dmg (absorbed by toughness first) until quelled below 100% peril

[nocturne dust]

She always had HP damage iirc

[spice veldt]

yeah, we also don't have to settle on HP damage

especially in a game like this with no consistent way to generate an HP resource

i'm just using it as an example

[buoyant maple]

it can start on toughness first which gives u maybe 3~4 ticks of leeway before it starts hurting health

[spice veldt]

true

i forgot toughness existed

[nocturne dust]

I mean, idk, it feels like the current system works and there are much bigger issues to fix first before trying to finaggle peril into something more interesting

[spice veldt]

sure

but i'm sure we can discuss it

[nocturne dust]

"If it ain't broke don't fix it"

[spice veldt]

in the same way that we can discuss improving crystalline will even though it is pretty unimportant

[nocturne dust]

Yeah, but your plan sounds risky and like something Fatshark would mess up

Theoretically speaking, I agree that there's probably an area where peril is more interesting/fun to play with as a tradeoff when balanced well

[spice veldt]

sure
I'd expect it to get rounded out in months if it does get implemented

[echo root]

Edger confirmed

[nocturne dust]

I never said I edge

[spice veldt]

there's always the playtesters and whatnot to deal with a new and rough-around-the-edge peril system

[nocturne dust]

Although really at this point I guess that's a lie, I overquell a lot but also I stick around high peril in tense situations just because there's not enough time to quell

[nocturne dust]

https://tenor.com/view/no-no-point-kronk-gif-13896471

[fresh reef]

what do you guys think I should spend my last point on?

[spice veldt]

toughness node, battle med, or dropping a talent node and pathing to warp rider

[urban sandal]

warp res and cleave damage

[quaint breach]

thanks again

[nocturne dust]

No warp rider?

[thorn cedar]

warp rider? i hardly know her

[jagged quarry]

so warp charges, how do they work exactly regarding brain rupture?

[thorn cedar]

how you mean

[urban sandal]

they make bb do more damage

you need at least 1 charge or a decent buildup of peril with warp rider to guarantee a one shot on enemies like bursters, dogs and dreg gunners

[nocturne dust]

Depends on your warp siphon nodes

Technically, they can do nothing at all

[nocturne dust]

but all their buffs can apply to BB, so you can get the extra damage and peril gen reduction

[nocturne dust]

Yeah, so you'd get the extra damage

if you have warp siphon stacks

[jagged quarry]

and no quicker cast?

[nocturne dust]

Only EP does quicker cast

[jagged quarry]

basically I find brain rupture annying becasue of the long cast time, usually enemies are already dead by the time the cast is over

[nocturne dust]

BB is a bad blitz, yes

[urban sandal]

it definitely is not

[nocturne dust]

Generally, you only take it because of the nodes below it on purgatus

[nocturne dust]

Get outta here

You can also take it for Kinetic Flayer

[jagged quarry]

it's very passive

[urban sandal]

it’s the best anti specialist tool the psyker has

[nocturne dust]

EK staff

Revolver

Actually

Voidstrike also beats BB

[urban sandal]

yeah nah

[nocturne dust]

and really, Trauma with lmb does too

[urban sandal]

good luck sniping specialists at a distance with any of those

[nocturne dust]

If you fully invest in BB, maybe not, but the issue is you're fully investing in a tool that isn't going to be a main weapon

[nocturne dust]

Lol

It's not that hard to hit snipers with lmb even at 80 meters

Just tag and spam balls

[urban sandal]

if by full investment you mean kinetic resonance then yeah

[nocturne dust]

And if they're not snipers with their ridiculous range, you'll be absolutely fine and far quicker with any other tool I mentioned

[nocturne dust]

KR and EP, both

KR does not make BB that good

[urban sandal]

[nocturne dust]

Bro, I can outdamage BB with literally anything I mentioned in any situation if BB isn't fully-invested

It really is a bad blitz

[urban sandal]

out damaging it when you’re mainly going after specialists and weaker elites isn’t special

[nocturne dust]

Except I can outdamage it on specials and elites too, and quicker

[jagged quarry]

is it only good agaisnt bosses

[nocturne dust]

It's not even good against bosses

[urban sandal]

it almost always one shots them what do you mean

[nocturne dust]

It's okay, but everything I mentioned is also at least okay on bosses

[nocturne dust]

Charge time

BB's charge time is stupid

[urban sandal]

that’s what resonance is for

[nocturne dust]

And it's still stupid

[jagged quarry]

frankly I find it is really bad game design to make a skill like thatthat is extremely passive

[nocturne dust]

EP also stacks with KR, and once you have both BB becomes... okay.

but it's held back by the inconsistency of EP and KR since EP only stacks on elites and KR is not going to be active all the time

[urban sandal]

imo it’s the best blitz

[nocturne dust]

lol, not even close

Assail will deal with specials and a lot more at most combat ranges

Smite is smite

Like, maybe you have the most fun with BB, and that's subjective so I can't really argue, but in terms of effectiveness BB just isn't there.

[urban sandal]

whatever floats ya boat

[jagged quarry]

what is this node EP ?

[urban sandal]

middle keystone empowered psionics

[jagged quarry]

ahhh

yes

[urban sandal]

i never use it personally but its handy against elite trains

with bb

[jagged quarry]

so there is nohing to shorten the cast time ?

[nocturne dust]

I mean, my advice is largely for auric dam, at lower difficulties you can take whatever you like

[haughty star]

Ep should stack on specialists for bb

[raven mountain]

I take EP sometimes, but I mostly think of it in terms of 1-point for smite, normal investment for Assail, and if I -really- needed to be helping with bossing, I'd go so far as to take EP with BB.

[haughty star]

This would kinda balance the problem out

[nocturne dust]

True.

[nocturne dust]

Not true.

[urban sandal]

ep, blue stim and kinetic resonance shortens bb cast time

[nocturne dust]

It'd probably need just a bit more imo.

[haughty star]

That is a massive investment

[raven mountain]

Honestly, BB is solid with EP+Kinetic

[urban sandal]

I’m always doing auric lol

[nocturne dust]

EP does, KR does, and you can also shorten time with blue stim

[haughty star]

I'm not saying it's not use able I'm just saying it's comparatively bad

[raven mountain]

It's pretty fast with both, or you just chain cast, EP charges>ability charges.

[nocturne dust]

yeah, you can use whatever you want with enough skill

[jagged quarry]

did kinetic resonance changed name or something, I can't find it

[urban sandal]

it’s one of the modifier nodes for brain rupture

[jagged quarry]

oh yeah I have it already, thanks (I was looking at nodes that I didn't have stupid me)

[nocturne dust]

the top modifier node, specifically

[jagged quarry]

so if I pop my shield, i can cast faster for 10 secs

[nocturne dust]

yes

[jagged quarry]

is it worth it to take this node?

[nocturne dust]

Yes

Well, if you're a staffker not on purgatus, yes

[urban sandal]

if you’re using the shield wall with 2 charges you can double up on resonance

[nocturne dust]

also true

But shield wall icky

[jagged quarry]

oh yeah good idea

but the toughness regen with the round shield is useful

[nocturne dust]

Bubble also actually protects your team

[jagged quarry]

yes

[nocturne dust]

Wall won't stop ogryn from getting shot

[jagged quarry]

should I take this or the other one (guaranteed)

[nocturne dust]

guaranteed

[urban sandal]

guaranteed

[nocturne dust]

Bio-lodestone isn't that great

[jagged quarry]

yeah, the 7% is enough I thought that too

[nocturne dust]

Maybe if it made the chance 50%

[haughty star]

Good voidstrike builds don't have the point investment for it either cuz you kinda need dd and assail imo

[idle delta]

What's the point of the surge staff ? Because it feels worst than a voidstrike for elites and worse than any of the staves for hordes. Am I missing something ?

[nocturne dust]

Yes

[haughty star]

And lose out on the top right perks?

And perilous?

[nocturne dust]

🤷‍♂️ Up to you, it's very much usable and even devastating

[idle delta]

Absolutely not. You want to gain peril to benefit from warp rider.

[nocturne dust]

💀

[idle delta]

What then

[nocturne dust]

EK kills everything on auric dam. Take perfect timing, take warp siphon and shriek, target elites/specials with RMB, watch PC eat everything

[haughty star]

This is stronk VS build.

Or scriers if you're fucking insane

[nocturne dust]

We're psykers

Which of us are sane

[idle delta]

Did just that with warp nexus and an RMB couldn't even kill a shotgunner

[nocturne dust]

It's the fastest charging staff

Hit it again

🤷‍♂️

Also take +flak

With your buffs up, it should kill a shotgunner in 1 hit.

[jagged quarry]

but can't you just manage to stay at high peril even with empirys resolve?

[analog agate]

Electro hits weird bps if none at all sometimes. You can be at the mercy of crits to one shot and on some guys taking +25 flak (always) and then +10 elite can get you more consistent one shots.

[nocturne dust]

You can, which is why their logic is bad

ER is good

[jagged quarry]

but can't you just manage to stay at high peril even with empyric resolve?

[haughty star]

Something like this with Warp Flurry and Nexus on your staff with +flak and +whatever should play pretty good. It doesn't outright feel like it hits as hard as say voidstrike one or two tapping a pack of crushers but it's mostly in the target prioritizing with this guy

I personally don't take ER ever because I don't think the trade in survivability is worth the extra peril res but if I did EK would be the only exception

[nocturne dust]

Survivability is a dumpstat

[haughty star]

Well that or smiteker or lmb spam but we speak not of that here

[orchid ibex]

ER makes the ek staff more spammable, so the sometimes finicky breakpoints don't really matter as much. It's kinda nice.

[austere warren]

Scrier's Gaze

https://tenor.com/view/cat-melt-universe-cute-gif-17877220

[nocturne dust]

^ the gaze

[austere warren]

https://tenor.com/view/eye-gif-21462193

[haughty star]

I've not noticed a whole lot of difference personally vs the warp charge node but I do see the diff in survival. It is kinda nice and I can recommend it as a generalization but I still don't take it personally

[austere warren]

That talent spread scriers gaze + precognition and the tdr/override are pretty neat.

[haughty star]

Mad man

(Or woman)

[orchid ibex]

That's fair, I do have mixed feelings about the drop in survivability.

[nocturne dust]

I don't even notice the drop in survivability

[austere warren]

I'm not afraid die. You're too afraid to live.

[nocturne dust]

You can't die if you don't get hit

[austere warren]

Do it.

Or if you just dive in to the high peril dance and enjoy the added dialogue in your mind. :^)

Genuinely a fun time.

[short lily]

how do you actually use smite with Scriers gaze

half the time it keeps going during the extra 10s

[nocturne dust]

That's the neat part

You don't

[short lily]

half the time it just stops

[nocturne dust]

That sounds like a bug?

[orchid ibex]

Technically correct. "Just don't get hit" works wonders until I get hit.

[nocturne dust]

Your mistake was getting hit

[austere warren]

Defensive tool, sheparding enemies for free stagger headshots, same as usual.

You just don't want to rely too heavily on it, I'd say.

[nocturne dust]

[short lily]

no i meant this part

the seemingly randomly stopping

[nocturne dust]

If it's randomly just not working for you, that sounds like a bug

[haughty star]

I've been dipping my toes into scriers gunker with the warp unbound and assaik and just dumping the assail when my scruers is over and it's fucking nuts how much shit those bolts clear out lol

[nocturne dust]

Warp Unbound is buggy

[orchid ibex]

[nocturne dust]

I use Assail with Scrier's without warp unbound

It's not fun if you don't nearly (or do) explode

[haughty star]

Idk why you would tbh

Its basically perma proced warp splitting lol

[nocturne dust]

I don't have enough talent points 😭

[haughty star]

Do you run both assail nodes?

[nocturne dust]

Yes, I like them

[haughty star]

With warp splitting you can afford to drop the top for unbound

[nocturne dust]

I could.

But I won't.

https://tenor.com/view/lilo-and-stitch-maniacal-laugh-gif-25225345

[haughty star]

Its like +1 vs ws proc being like +5 lol

[nocturne dust]

it stacks with warp splitting iirc

and I just like the extra cleave when I'm low peril

which is often

cuz I overquell

[haughty star]

Yeah before warp splitting I'd of never ran without but those unbound assail dumps are dummy thicc

[austere warren]

If you're weaving it in during Scrier's Gaze, you'll probably do a lot better capitalizing on having more fluid ways of quelling peril via kills to build stacks. Running a recon lasgun or infantry autogun and Tranquility Through Slaughter makes it much more manageable.

Like, in a really good way, actually. The only thing that would make it better is if it weakspot kills built up stacks of scrier's gaze as fast as melee. At that rate it'd just be fluid.

[jovial juniper]

Smite
Wait a sec or two
Gaze
Hold button and keep holding
Keep holding

[strong gulch]

I miss that time when smite could hit weakspots. I don't miss what that did to surge / EK staff tho. 💀

[austere warren]

I had zero clue that that was a thing holy shit.

[strong gulch]

Oh lol yeah. Smite and surge (aka staff bound smite) recived a cosmetic changed to the lighting and gibbing. That made both (cuz both are smite somehow) hit random body parts. It tanked surge's damage; especially after people got used to the smite nodes also buffing surge but that got fixed.

But because smite can't crit but was also hitting weakspots, you could stack true aim like silly easily.

Me running smite revolver.

I can't remember if the assail + hand cannon interaction was fixed by then or not.

[pliant tendon]

does this mean i regen 30% less toughness from all sources? or just passive

[idle delta]

Another issue I have is that it takes a second for the damage to take effect and often the enemy dies from a vet or something shooting it before the damage procs

[hollow jolt]

I recall being told it affects all toughness regen instead of coherency

[haughty star]

all toughness

active, passive, coherence

[strong gulch]

ye all

the worse your positioning, game knowledge, reaction time, etc, the more you're gonna feel it

Also depends on how you're generating toughness.

[haughty star]

my problem is everyone gets hit lol

[strong gulch]

how much CC or whatever

[hollow jolt]

aks them politely to not hit you

[haughty star]

in all my hours having dt i've never seen one person not take damage lol

[strong gulch]

I certainly get hit. I'm gonna keep getting hit.

[haughty star]

for me it's the chip damage like trash shooters

i will target the trash shooters before basically anything

[pliant tendon]

hmm so it's trash

[strong gulch]

I take ER on my surge and trauma builds. I don't notice really on surge / EK because it's surge.

I do notice it on trauma. Gunners and shooters get me more often; but I also changed my curios and it's better now. (UN-NERF METTLE PLEASE)

[pliant tendon]

i die enough as it is 🙃

[haughty star]

for surge it's pretty good and i don't like trauma so i won't speak for that.

[strong gulch]

It's good, "but"

LOL

[haughty star]

but it's not great for voidstrike because point investment and it's trash for inferno

really good for smiteker and surge tho

[strong gulch]

Valid. Trauma is def a specific flavor.

[haughty star]

my fave is void that shit is so chunky when you're on a roll lol

[short lily]

i love trauma

[strong gulch]

Best for surge. I agree on that.

[short lily]

fuck everything

everything's going on the floor

[strong gulch]

everyone do the dinosaur

[jovial juniper]

Opportunist for Trauma when Fatshark

[short lily]

invincible to everything but stairs

dies to mobs on a stepladder

[strong gulch]

slotted or grated stairs 😭

[red knot]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-frantic-the-voices-gif-4777666775328982944

[nocturne dust]

https://tenor.com/view/the-voices-call-calling-gif-4030050527221884737

[austere warren]

That's pretty sick. Too bad I wasn't around for it.

But I have the changes to right tree in the first place. I'm doing pretty alright.

[jagged quarry]

there is no skin reward for when you have mastered the blaze force sword?

[jovial juniper]

There is

[jagged quarry]

oh yeah I forgot I had to go to penances

what ar the perks and blessings to take on this swordin order to clear hordes faster ?

agaisnt unarmoured?

groaners poxwalkers?

[jovial juniper]

Slaughterer blessing

[nocturne dust]

wat sword

[jagged quarry]

blaze force

[nocturne dust]

Slaughterer is the general go-to, combined with uncanny

Slaughterer is for hordes, uncanny is for elites

[ripe obsidian]

...I don't think mettle is working properly on my purg staff

[nocturne dust]

wdym?

[ripe obsidian]

I'm not getting toughness back on crits

[nocturne dust]

[ripe obsidian]

Hold on, getting a recording

Works fine on Voidstrike

[nocturne dust]

That's weird

[ripe obsidian]

I noticed it in my last game

I wasn't regening toughness

[nocturne dust]

Hm, maybe they broke something in the hotfix?

[ripe obsidian]

Works on EK

[nocturne dust]

I can't recall if I played purg since the hotfix

I thought I did

[ripe obsidian]

Does not work on Trauma

So borked on Purg and Trauma

At least for me.

[nocturne dust]

I'll have to try it out tomorrow

[ripe obsidian]

@latent mauve Since you seem to know a lot about the code/status of the game, do you know if Mettle or borked for Purg/Trauma atm?

But that explains why I was taking so much damage in my purg game

Works for LMB on trauma and purg, just not RMB

[analog agate]

Can’t speak for purg. But mettle doesn’t do anything anymore on blast since they nerfed it a few patches ago

[ripe obsidian]

Was that intentional?

[analog agate]

Yeah

[ripe obsidian]

Fucking why

[analog agate]

You now only take it cause you want perfect timing. And mettle is still better than crappy expenditure

[ripe obsidian]

The only thing I can find in patch notes is "Changed the Psyker “Mettle” talent to only receive a maximum of 1 stack for each Critical attack, regardless of the amount of enemies hit by the attack."

[analog agate]

It is why the meta (for those that need it) is taking soulstealer and quietude and getting rid of KD

[nocturne dust]

It's still good on purg

or was

[ripe obsidian]

It would be good if it worked

[nocturne dust]

or take all of them

and get rid of stinky warp battery

[analog agate]

Yeah, I have no clue if it is glitched or not. But I know you will never notice it on blast. Cause it sucks on blast

[ripe obsidian]

I can't understand that nerf, if it was intentional. Once per attack rather than once per enemy hit, sure. But removing it entirely from Purg and Trauma? Makes no sense.

[nocturne dust]

I don't think it's intentional for it to not work on purg/trauma

and honestly the once per attack thing is kinda stupid

It means it's still broken on fast weapons like purg and autoguns but absolutely trash for melee/trauma for no real reason

[analog agate]

It should be once per attack

[ripe obsidian]

Yes. I know.

[analog agate]

If not then it is glitched

[ripe obsidian]

It seems like it will only pop on Purg RMB if the very first damage tick is a crit

Can't get it to work on Trauma RMB at all

[nocturne dust]

Definitely not how it was working before

Have you tried restarting Darktide just to see if it's a weird instance bug?

[ripe obsidian]

I'm using True Aim to force crits on the first damage tick of purg, and it gives me one instance of mettle for the whole RMB.

I have.

[nocturne dust]

Wack

Guess you have to submit a bug report to Fatshark

[ripe obsidian]

I found one on the forums. Added a comment to it.

[patent jacinth]

For blaze trauma+deimos

Recommendations?

I just hate empyric resolve and dropped my keystone for it so this is what happened

[nocturne dust]

Souldrinker dip?

If you hate ER, I'd still go warp siphon

PotS may be a dead node but warp siphon is very useful and EP not really

[patent jacinth]

I like taking it with BB so I can actually snipe things

[rapid cliff]

Is there a good EK assail build on here

[nocturne dust]

🤷‍♂️ your choice

I wouldn't go souldrinker tho

[rapid cliff]

I'm used to like assail venting shriek

Scriers one I think and then empowered psionics

[nocturne dust]

EK wants Psykinetics for Shriek spam.

[rapid cliff]

Fair, do you have a good build image for that I would love to try that

[patent jacinth]

Why though, isn't it purely beneficial for blaze trauma or is it just too much of an investment

[rapid cliff]

I love shriek spam it's how I did it earlier, like I'm assail go into the mele weapon scriees gaze venting shriek empowered psionics but should I go warp siphon instead

[rapid cliff]

Ty!

[nocturne dust]

Too much of a dip for 5% crit and a bit of toughness, yeah

[rapid cliff]

That's like my OG gameplay from when I first played

[nocturne dust]

It's 3 points just for that which is kinda ew

[nocturne dust]

KF and BB is very swappable on that build if you want something else, it just makes it a tad better than other options

[rapid cliff]

Thanks, is force sword a good melee

I use the islii like all the time

[nocturne dust]

Illisi/Deimos is good

[rapid cliff]

Ok cool I got all kinds of melee I was just curious if there was a specific focus to go for

[nocturne dust]

Obscurus is a weapon that exists

[nocturne dust]

🤷‍♂️ Psyker's strongest melees are dueling sword and force swords

Though illisi only really shines with Scrier's

[rapid cliff]

It's been consistent no matter what I'm terrible at scriers

[rapid cliff]

I've always hated the like charge strike ability so just that consistent swing of isli my god it's beautiful

[nocturne dust]

I also like knife a lot just for the speed on staffker

[rapid cliff]

I've had good luck with chain axes in some horde situations when heavy swinging

It just depends on mood I'm trying to max mastery every psyker weapon

[nocturne dust]

Yeah some people like chainaxe.

[thorn cedar]

chaxe12 is a solid vibe

[nocturne dust]

Deimos doesn't even charge

I mean it does, but you don't ever use it because h2 is just a better attack all-around

[kindred edge]

Knocking a crusher on its ass with Deimos H2 never gets old

[idle marsh]

Anyone have a good Voidstrike build?

[nocturne dust]

Do you wanna use shriek or scrier's

[viral crater]

best blessings for Force sword mk 4?

[nocturne dust]

Uncanny/Slaughterer is the general go-to for force swords

Uncanny for elites, slaughterer for hordes

Deimos generally goes uncanny because it's used for single targets anyway

and then slaughterer, though unstable power/executor helps more with single targets if you use them right (and don't pull out deimos enough to take advantage of slaughterer), and deflector is a comfort pick sometimes.

[zinc phoenix]

Who are these people??

[jagged quarry]

is this like the only option to apply soulblaze?

[raven mountain]

Perilous Combustion, Creeping Flames (under Venting Shriek), several staff blessings, the inferno staff itself, a force blade blessing.

[nocturne dust]

no

[jagged quarry]

thanks, I meant in the talent tree

[nocturne dust]

Shriek with Creeping Flames

[jagged quarry]

so if I am not taking Gaze, I only have access to perilous combustion

[nocturne dust]

It is the only passive way to apply soulblaze, Wildfire technically needs another source

[jagged quarry]

is it worth it?

[nocturne dust]

Generally