psyker-class

[nocturne dust]

[jovial juniper]

Wow I really wished we could have been organized about this discussion
Oh well
Back to gaming

[raven mountain]

Ah I see, the deadvoid is in between your ears. Things make so much more sense now.

End of the day, a non-smite-centric build will benefit from scrier's. You do a ton of work when scrier's is up and scrier's works with smite in a few ways.

In a smite-centric build, you take shriek because it's better with shriek. But I have several gun-centric builds that don't build up peril enough to warrant spamming shriek. They do better with scrier's and when I need to whip out smite instead, it's better for having it.

[nocturne dust]

A non-smite-centric build will also benefit from bubble

and shriek

🤷‍♂️

You've provided a nothing-burger of logic

[raven mountain]

Not really.

[nocturne dust]

Yes really.

[raven mountain]

If you don't build peril fast or consistently, shriek is basically nothing—a minor stagger.

Bubble is a wasted button press half the time.

[nocturne dust]

And why would we be looking at the ability in its worst use-case?

When it is incredibly easy to not do that?

[raven mountain]

Why would you only look at an ability in its best case?

[nocturne dust]

You can also just waste Scrier's if you like

[raven mountain]

If you're pushing buttons, scrier's is not wasted.

[half iron]

i would

[nocturne dust]

This is untrue, the buff can go to waste by reaching 100% peril very early, which is the opposite problem of shriek. Use it at high peril -> waste ability

It's ridiculous to consider that much of a negative for either case

[raven mountain]

Ideally, you'd be able to build any stacks of it, but if you have the 10s of infinite peril, it's still utility in a pinch. Ideally, you'd quell before to get stacks, but if you don't, you can still keep spamming.

It's not something that comes up much on a gun build though as you simply don't generate that much peril. But it can definitely be a problem on a staff build.

But even on a staff build, let's say Trauma. You can solve a lot of problems in 10s by just hard spamming the ground.

Again, not as good as shriek in a peril-centric build.

Of course, you never look at best case or worst case, simply how it functions in general.

[nocturne dust]

I mean, I'm not denying Scrier's has uses. It's just not synergizing well with smite. That's the important bit.

[raven mountain]

Like I said in the very first place, it boils down to how you use smite. If it's your only button, then smite+scrier is kinda bad. If it's something in your toolkit and part of your rotation, then scrier's is perfectly useful when used in conjunction.

[upper galleon]

Infinite peril buff is best used when you can build up your bonuses, then have 10 seconds of using your super powered state with 0 risk

[raven mountain]

Yep, that's the best case.

[upper galleon]

Then i see no reason not to pick assail

Over smite

[raven mountain]

Also what I said in the first place.

[nocturne dust]

Again, that logic is like saying scrier's has synergy with bubble because you can use bubble with other parts of your toolkit/rotation. That's not what synergizing means, and at this point we're just going in circles.

[upper galleon]

https://tenor.com/view/ferret-noodle-soup-cute-spotted-gif-22432406

Circles

[raven mountain]

Except it doesn't interact with Smite in any way. It doesn't build/reduce peril, it doesn't build damage, it doesn't affect the way smite functions. They're completely separate in all ways.

Unless your argument is that getting to stand still and not move is a synergy, in which case, I can't help you.

[upper galleon]

https://tenor.com/view/dragon-ball-z-abridged-mr-popo-all-these-squares-make-a-circle-gif-20563687

[half iron]

the shield is a circle

[raven mountain]

If bubble had some functionality where you weren't staggered (thus interrupting smite) then I might agree with you.

[clear heath]

what is even happening here?

[nocturne dust]

So your logic is because scrier's technically buffs smite, even though we've admitted that buff isn't all that useful, then that means they synergize well together?

[buoyant maple]

Riveting psyker gameplay

[clear heath]

Are you guys just arguing whether scriers + smite is synergy?

[raven mountain]

He's mostly downplaying valid points and making bad-faith arguments.

Not sure why I'm bothering to engage.

[nocturne dust]

Lmao, no u

Calling my argument bad-faith is itself bad-faith

[jovial juniper]

It does have

[jovial juniper]

"The Best Way To Hold a Button"

[nocturne dust]

And so far, your logic doesn't make any sense. I've simply presented valid criticism to your points. You say smite and Scrier's synergize, and then say it's because Scrier's helps other stuff, but also because Scrier's still helps smite, even though we've admitted Scrier's doesn't really help smite. It's nowhere near the usefulness of Shriek, and outside of haha funny infinite smite builds, isn't going to have a use. That's not a meaningful synergy.

[raven mountain]

"no use outside of infinite smite builds" where you wouldn't take it anyway.

If you're going infinite smite, you're taking a bunch of peril reduction and shriek for better uptime anyhow.

Not even getting into the actual damage aspect.

[nocturne dust]

50% peril isn't beating 10 seconds

also Scrier's also has a peril gen reduction node

[clear heath]

It feels absurd to call the basic use of a buff "synergy". The whole idea of that term is that the result is more than the sum of it's parts, that's it's going beyond what either thing is meant for individually.
10 seconds of infinite peril just giving you 10 second usage of smite isn't a special interaction.
10 second assail with warp splitting, giving assails the full cleave buff for far longer than normally possible is synergy, because those things aren't supposed to work like that normally on their own. Assail normally can't do that consecutively, thus it's going beyond what those 3 things do individually.

[broken carbon]

scriers doesn’t buff smite!

there is zero synergy!

warp unbound isn’t enough time to matter!

[nocturne dust]

https://tenor.com/view/nerd-well-actually-as-a-matter-of-fact-gif-27665011

[broken carbon]

building peril faster in SG is actually anathema to using smite in its best form!

[blissful solar]

[clear heath]

Warp unbound functioning at it's base level is not synergy. It's not more than the sum of it's parts, it's just the part working 1:1

[broken carbon]

yeah

[broken carbon]

enlighten me

[nocturne dust]

Scrier's has a damage buff

[broken carbon]

oh

[nocturne dust]

the buff works on smite iirc

[broken carbon]

i didn’t realize sg was just a flat damage buff, i thought it was only crit chance and finesse damage

[jovial juniper]

Now you're forgetting about Warp Rider

[nocturne dust]

It's all 3, finesse comes from a secondary node

[raven mountain]

Pretty much that. It has a flat buff (which won't build too high due to quick peril gain from both smite and scrier's) and then you get to sit at 100% for longer.

[nocturne dust]

You get damage, crit chance, and finesse potentially

[broken carbon]

ah

[jovial juniper]

[raven mountain]

And don't forget the toughness reduction at high peril!

[nocturne dust]

and my axe!

Wait

[strong gulch]

Nooooo 😭

[raven mountain]

At the end of the day, I'd rather go assail+scrier's over smite+scrier's.

But if I felt the need to have a button to save people instead of a button to kill hordes, or my gun/staff solves most of my problems anyhow, then smite+scrier's would be a fine enough choice for alternate utility.

[nocturne dust]

And it's still having to fight Shriek for meta

[raven mountain]

I prefer shriek cuz I like dots too much, though.

[nocturne dust]

It's also kinda the reason why Illisi 'is horde clear'. Illisi's damage is actually kinda bad for hordes, or well mediocre, but Scrier's amps any melee to just kill things.

[fiery stratus]

The game does a little trollin

[broken carbon]

SG and DD is very fun

unfortunately melee psyker sucks

[nocturne dust]

yes

Buff meleeker

[broken carbon]

should be some high peril uninterruptible

methinks

[nocturne dust]

Something like that, but I also kinda hate how Scrier's is such a requirement.

[azure parcel]

can this game stop forcing autoguns down my throat while I'm levelling Psyker

it's psyker not gunker

[nocturne dust]

I'd like to see a way to generate peril on melee without Scrier's.

[raven mountain]

Force sword alt spam?

[potent echo]

Without forcesword

[nocturne dust]

on any melee, I should clarify

[raven mountain]

That's about all i got.

[potent echo]

Technically you have KD but..

[nocturne dust]

lol

Devil's Claw stays winning

[potent echo]

Crack of the bone is kind of like psyker WS though

You reload your peril by meleeing

[raven mountain]

In another game, there'd be a cool ability/passive/whatever that pushes your peril to 50% (down from 100% or up from 0%) to make better use of peril-related passives.

Without having to play the management game as heavily

[nocturne dust]

Idk, I often find crack of bone just isn't enough

[potent echo]

2 procs are enough for 1 void ball

[nocturne dust]

Scrier's generates too much peril, and Psyker doesn't have the move speed/attack speed is what I mean

[potent echo]

It also gives peril resist so it's enough

I mean you can't stay in scriers forever like gunker but it's really good

[raven mountain]

Yeah, scrier's melee only feels like scrier's guns when you have a force sword quelling force on hit along with the melee reduction passive.

[nocturne dust]

It's okay

[potent echo]

I can't play without it now honestly

Imagine needing to quell for 0.5s every now and then the horror

[nocturne dust]

Eh, I find it often just doesn't do much.

[potent echo]

It's perfect for melee/assail weaving

With true aim too

[raven mountain]

Actually, yeah, that's the combo for it.

[potent echo]

Hit 5 heads, chuck 1 crit assail, repeat

[nocturne dust]

Until you run out of targets and have to try and sprint at some new ones

[raven mountain]

You're already wanting the cleave with it too, so you don't need to path there separately

[potent echo]

If you run out of targets then the problem is solved

[nocturne dust]

No, you don't understand

There are still targets

They just aren't nearby

[potent echo]

Yea which means you have time to quell 🤷‍♂️

[nocturne dust]

which means we go from meleeker to assailker 😭

[raven mountain]

But with most staves, I think I'd rather not switch off them at the height of target density.

[potent echo]

Yea that's kinda the issue honestly

My scuffed melee/void just isn't really optimal

[raven mountain]

But I do like your assail+melee concept. Feels vaguely weapon spec vet.

[potent echo]

Unless they give us a staff with shotgun lmb

[nocturne dust]

That's what gunker/meleeker/assailker is

[potent echo]

Then we can really be weapon spec

[nocturne dust]

They're just a swapper

Malefic Momentum moment

[half iron]

helbore force bayonet

[potent echo]

Malefic 🤤

[raven mountain]

Fun thing about malefic momentum and force swords is that the activation counts as warp. So they alone activate both sides of it.

[nocturne dust]

I mean, yes, that's the neat part

[raven mountain]

Illisi in a horde is very happy with it.

[potent echo]

I rather chuck assails as illisi though

The stroke takes too long

[nocturne dust]

I just wish I could do the activation without the activation

[potent echo]

I stroke for mixed hordes for sure or if maulers are present

[raven mountain]

Actually, I'd redo a bunch of the activations.

[nocturne dust]

The time it takes to activate annoys me

[raven mountain]

Staff activation being a wide aoe push instead of a small poke.

[potent echo]

I'll take a blessing that scales stroke speed with peril

[raven mountain]

Force sword activations being a single special attack

[nocturne dust]

It doesn't feel like a suitable payoff in terms of damage when all the other things with activations just destroy things

[raven mountain]

just so they flow better.

And the shotguns just being an alternate fire instead of all the weird reload stuff. If they need a way to gate it, I'm sure there's better than 1-shot+1-reload.

I think it'd feel super good if they had two sets of ammo. Alt fire fires one side, regular fires the other. They both reload at the same time.

Not very realistic or thematic, but I bet it'd feel pretty good in practice.

[nocturne dust]

realistic
We have chainsaws on swords.

[spice veldt]

well, a different flavor of suspension of disbelief

[nocturne dust]

I don't think it's that far off to have an extra barrel.

[half iron]

it would be realistic if psykers

[normal matrix]

ive been playing my double-shield double-lightning psyker recently, very fun

[spice veldt]

yeah, i ultimately don't think it's too farfetched to make the shotguns work like seraph's
The main obstacle would probably just be games workshop and whether fatshark thinks it's priority-enough to change it
but I think it would be a good change overall gameplay-wise and reinforces an identity of shotguns for having multi-purpose ammo

[raven mountain]

I mean, I'm not saying things need to be 1:1 realism, but there are different points of realism. Single-loading a single shell and having it be two shells breaks a different level of realism than "space magic" does.

[tired estuary]

in the interest of realism smite should friendly fire and stunlock teammates imo

[spice veldt]

so true

[raven mountain]

I was honestly surprised there wasn't friendly fire in higher levels

[tired estuary]

the game would be massively unplayable

[spice veldt]

ogryns would probably get annihilated, and melee would be even better

[buoyant maple]

I wish the shotguns just fired their SP ammo as regular and loaded the same buckshot with SP instead

[spice veldt]

unless you also make melee deal friendly fire

brainburst your own teammates

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/886742356529922172/1145863884545204335/attachment.gif

[tired estuary]

ogryn throws frag on top of team at match start and mashes rumbler under his own feet

[half iron]

chainaxe should realistically bring out the alpha in me. it does but still. awoooo!

[raven mountain]

Coming from VT2 and Aliens:Fireteam Elite, I kinda expected friendly fire to just be a high-level problem.

[tired estuary]

[potent echo]

HD2 get to toggle special ammo by flipping a switch

[spice veldt]

probably just quality-of-life and to just side-step the discussion about friendly fire entirely

[potent echo]

Although a fully auto agrip shotty slug gun is

[nocturne dust]

In the interest of realism, Nurgle should cease existing.

[indigo plank]

Ogryn and Psykers are two reasons I'm very thankful for no friendly fire

[raven mountain]

I mean, it's just a different style of game. Warframe and DT you get to do stuff like grenade your feet and shoot indiscriminately.

Killing Floor only had you worrying about self-damage, so backing up and shooting walls with explosives was totally a play.

Aliens KE is very centered on psuedo-realistic squad tactics, firing lines and position.

[half iron]

in terms of realism, i watched a person get low-diffed by a poxwalker in one of the cities in the arizona hive, and their body was never found. in warhammer.

[nocturne dust]

You don't want to be on fire?

[indigo plank]

On fire, electrocuted, sent to the moon

[potent echo]

I want to be on fire

[indigo plank]

JFK'd

[potent echo]

Only pyromancer rogue traders need reply

[half iron]

perilous combustion upon ye!

[raven mountain]

Yeah, I kinda hated the VT2 version of purgatus because it was kinda hard to use with friendly fire, and it didn't feel as impactful as it looked like it should.

[tired estuary]

It was busted on cata b/c you just held it on a chokepoint, same with that one firepuddle staff

but didn't do enough on lower difficulties yeah lmao

[potent echo]

Surprisingly it's only "good" on cata because hordes are so dense you can't really solo them anymore

Also fire damage on flak in VT2 is horrendous so no mixed horde clearing either

[raven mountain]

Yeah, coruscation/fire puddle felt great.

[tired estuary]

afk trauma staff

[raven mountain]

I loved that you got to use it some, then swap and do something else.

like, post-use effects

[wide lodge]

you could literally aim it above your teammate's heads and it would still hit the rats without any FF

[raven mountain]

Cool. I assumed that might work with dwarf. Wasn't sure on anyone else.

I know it doesn't do a ton of FF damage, but I always hated that the elf's aoe-poison arrow clouds hurt people. (And if it didn't, people thought it did and gave me shit for using them—they're fun and I want to use them sometimes!)

[hazy moss]

do wildfire and perilous combustion stack?

[nocturne dust]

Yesn't.

Wildfire goes up to 4 stacks of soulblaze, Perilous Combustion up to 30. So if you get wildfire application first, they fully stack, but in the other direction you don't get as much stacking

[late sapphire]

The issue with those is more that if you do get hit it ticks several times

Coruscation staff was peak

[late sapphire]

Do you know in which order they apply?

[night ferry]

For Blaze Sword MK4, having tough choice to pair with Deflector.
Slaughter, or Uncanny Strike

[nocturne dust]

uh, whichever order you activate them in?

A simultaneous application would be very hard to prove

[late sapphire]

All it takes is 2 shotgunners and some chaff

[prime elk]

uncanny

[late sapphire]

What is mk4 is it deimos or illisi

[nocturne dust]

Okay, now prove that targets simultaneously died

[late sapphire]

Not simultaneously

[nocturne dust]

Huh?

Order is whichever dies first then, wdym

[late sapphire]

Blow up 1 shotgunner, other shotgunner and chaff gets 3 soulblaze

[nocturne dust]

or do you mean Wildfire + PC from the same target?

[late sapphire]

Ye

[night ferry]

MK5 is Illisi

[late sapphire]

Blow up guy 2, does chaff have 6 or 7 stacks?

[night ferry]

My mistake. MK5

[nocturne dust]

easy enough to test

I think it's 6 from memory but I can test it

[late sapphire]

On illisi i would probably go slaughter deflector

Uncanny really only outperforms slaughterer vs crusher and mauler

Which illisi sucks against anyways

Better off force pushing to stagger and backing off

[night ferry]

Thank you. Made both a MK5 for both Pure Soulblaze, and non. My pure Soulblaze build is too much fun.

[nocturne dust]

Tis 7

[heavy ember]

ek blessings and perks?

[raven mountain]

Isn't uncanny just as much about soulblaze benefitting from it against armored enemies as it is about giving it better carapace damage?

Or do they not interact at all?

[nocturne dust]

uncanny soulblaze is a thing, yes, but generally only helps on bosses

Crushers you'll kill quicker by stabbing with uncanny

[raven mountain]

Figured it was super minor against chaff, somewhat helpful against flak, and a way to make soulblaze do anything against carapace.

And being about a generic amp against everything you're already burning

[nocturne dust]

Even Illisi can kill crushers quicker than uncanny soulblaze

[raven mountain]

I'm not talking about using soulblaze for the sole purpose of killing crushers, just that if you're on melee with stacks, it makes all the burns better--especially those lightly and heavily armored enemies.

Killing specific enemies, you'd definitely go for just using the weapon directly.

[nocturne dust]

uncanny illisi that is

[nocturne dust]

I mean, it technically does, yeah

Crushers are the only enemy it might be useful against, but you'd need quite a few of them for uncanny soulblaze to really do damage even on purg

[raven mountain]

Yeah, would definitely use the sword for crushers. Just figured having all that rending (which does translate to damage even against unarmored because of over-rending conversion) when you're burning the world down would end up being solid.

[nocturne dust]

in terms of group numbers. Bosses it of course helps on, but they don't appear in large enough, concentrated enough numbers for the math to change.

[nocturne dust]

Maybe if the buff lasted longer

[raven mountain]

They do in this patch! (dumb joke, not real argument)

[nocturne dust]

They don't 😭

Fatshark, replace all enemies with bosses when?

[raven mountain]

Honestly, I know everyone is complaining about all the bosses, but it could still be turned up and feel fine. Any team with even one dedicated bosser clears them pretty handily.

[plucky flax]

The 2 event maps I played so far my team didn't have any dedicated monster killer build. Was fine just kite and don't get swallowed

[nocturne dust]

When the game spawns 3 plogryns:

[raven mountain]

Yeah, it's totally doable without bossers. But I'm just saying one bosser (glugger, thammer, bolter, whatever) basically melts it before it gets to even think about being a problem. Like, stand-and-deliver levels of ignore it.

On a handful on one map, it didn't even get TO the team when I was on glugger.

[plucky flax]

They are even easier though

[nocturne dust]

That's why I gave that sticker

[plucky flax]

But I only had bonbon spam

[nocturne dust]

It does seem to spawn bonbons most

[haughty star]

i literally love the new game mode i hope some day they keep it in the rotation lol

gives me a reason to want to play gunker

[nocturne dust]

I dislike it because it kinda feels like if I don't take a boss killer build I'm going to have a bad time

and I have no boss killer staffker 😭

[haughty star]

i do mostly quick play auric damns and just pick my build based on whatever it throws me in. except half of the time it throws me in a in progress one because the ASS leaves are so bad rn

but yeah with grampappys modifier i've just been running scriers recon and it fucks lol especially for bitch ass BONs

[nocturne dust]

meh, recon doesn't have enough DPS for me

I use columnus vraks

[haughty star]

yee vraks is cool but boring imo

[nocturne dust]

I want to delete bosses, I want to see them and then not see them

[haughty star]

recon is generally funner to use for me. only time i really feel the diff between vraks and recon is the bosses and the heavy recon is pretty friggin close

but i use the 12 bucause it's hilarious

[nocturne dust]

Fair, but the only reason I take gunker is for bosses

might as well go all the way 🤷‍♂️

[haughty star]

eh to each their own but p much everyone is bored of the old columbus. at least in quickplays i see the recon a lot more. probably because it's just got a cool factor

[nocturne dust]

I see Vraks more still, I think it's just harder to notice if you're not paying attention

bright red lasers are pretty obvious

'ratatatat' not so much

[haughty star]

plus not having the aids upwards recoil is neat you can just burst the recon and not have to account for any aggregious lift

[nocturne dust]

That is nice

I wish the braced autoguns were better, they're my favorite

[haughty star]

the columnus recoil is predictable but definitely there lol

i've seen a TON of psykers out tonight tho. pretty much all the games i've been it it's been 3/4 psykers lol

the other thing i been doing is once i know i got a good 12 stacks of infernus going i'll switch to my ds4 and just start wailing on it if i can get a angle and it seems like the burn burns better lol

i haven't even tried lmb psyk tonight i bet that shit would come in clutch lol

[raven mountain]

lol, we were just talking about that with soulblaze and force swords.

[summer prairie]

https://streamable.com/z84ump

[haughty star]

i suppose lazy fuck shark the code is the same for burn and soulblaze?

[raven mountain]

I don't know about -that- but they (and bleed) are all dots that multiply damage from more stacks and benefit from uncanny's rending (it's somewhat limited since you need to build stacks of uncanny and damage stacks start to fall off)

[prime elk]

Uncanny shenanigans

The force push counts as a weak spot hit

Thus proccing uncanny

[summer prairie]

okay, force sword push attacking a mutated captain crashed the game, not sure if it was just due to the mission or if it always crashes. But if it doesn't crash, it one-shot kills it

[prime elk]

wat

force push roulette?

[jovial juniper]

It's probably the 1 shot kill

[summer prairie]

when mutated enemies take ranged weakspot damage they immediately explode and FS push attack does 1 damage

[jovial juniper]

Yup
I found that earlier

Lmao

Hold up

[summer prairie]

crash at the end https://streamable.com/whkocd

[jovial juniper]

Does it only crash with the push attack?

[summer prairie]

probably with everything

I was just using that because it's funny

20% chance you get a mutated one

[jovial juniper]

Yeah that's what I thought

[summer prairie]

but I'm not even sure what happens if you normally kill a captain you created with the spawner (in a solo mission)

based on the log it's probably going to crash even on a real mission

[modest perch]

What should I put on the Deimos ? Is deflector/unstable power good ?

[jovial juniper]

Why not uncanny?

[jovial juniper]

Oh that's bad news

Fighting 20+ minutes for a crash would suck

[modest perch]

Idk

Unstable power seems kinda bad

[summer prairie]

50% of bulwarks are mutated and you just do this https://streamable.com/5psur7

[plucky flax]

Deflector uncanny

[nocturne dust]

Unstable Power isn't bad, it's just generally the not-best option.

Uncanny/Slaughterer, Uncanny/Deflector, or Slaughterer/Deflector are the normal go-tos, although deflector is really just a comfort pick

[plucky flax]

If you're not horde clearing with deimos you don't need slaughterer

[nocturne dust]

Si

Also, it appears they fixed 400 stamina appearing as +3

it's now +2

[strong gulch]

The only time I would run uncanny + unstable on deimos is if I'm also doing scrier's and I'm looking for easier to meet buff for single target. That's not often.

edit: forgot to add unstable

[strong gulch]

NICE

[nocturne dust]

I run uncanny deimos because ds4 is boring

and also deflector my beloved

[strong gulch]

LOL I forgot to add unstable.

typing hard.

[cyan portal]

I run uncanny unstable Deimos with purga, because 20 power instantly is ideal when you're only occasionally melee killing a few key targets

[plucky flax]

Every time I don't have deflector something bad happen

[raven mountain]

I think I saw in a Tanner video that activated Deimos builds you up to like 4 stacks of uncanny in the single strike. Thought it was a cool note since I assumed it wouldn't, with it being a single swing.

If it works on Uncanny, I assume it would work on Executor, but I haven't bothered testing it.

[strong gulch]

The deimos special has multiple hits yeah. The push attack is also a weakspot hit.

Not sure about blessings other than uncanny.

[fiery stratus]

Why do people insist on standing infront of the elevator on this map?

[clear heath]

i love standing in front of the elevator there

[fiery stratus]

sure if you have bubble

not the case here

[clear heath]

it's more fun to dodge the snipers

and you get a good shot on all of them

[fiery stratus]

sure if you can dodge gunners

not the case here

[nocturne dust]

It's an interesting note about map design, the map kinda lends itself to the idea that you should stand there. People often don't realize just how dangerous open areas can be.

[fiery stratus]

i know, and i told them to come to the side

[nocturne dust]

In most games, that's where you would stand

[fiery stratus]

i say that to whatever group i play with on that map pretty much every time

i even tell them theres gonna be shitloads of gunners lmao

[strong gulch]

Idk. Every time that I've tried to get the team to move to one of the sides in pubs, it fails.

[nocturne dust]

I mean, that corner is just as dangerous with bombers about

[fiery stratus]

yes and no

dont stand literally right inside

[nocturne dust]

Lots of areas where bombers can toss at you without a way to shoot them back from that corner

[fiery stratus]

still plenty of room to move

the point is to break line of sight, otherwise you're fish in a barrel without shield

[nocturne dust]

Yes, but if you do have to move, the corner is either a dead end or you jump over a ledge straight into the most open spot

[fiery stratus]

I usually hold the smaller side and i've never really had any issues

if you're smart and you're constantly moving its not a problem generally

[nocturne dust]

I mean, it's better than in front of the elevator

[fiery stratus]

people don't use the evironment enough

[nocturne dust]

but there's not really a great place to camp in that area. I think the best would be in that alleyway near where people respawn

[fiery stratus]

as long as you're on the specials i've never really had any issues on the opposite side. They climb the wall but they just get minced as they come usually

[ornate hamlet]

positioning aside this looks like such an annoying situation LMAO

i’m sitting here watching thinking about how miserable all those snipers are

free cdr though

[nocturne dust]

Their first mistake was playing Bistol, smh my head

[fiery stratus]

second or third game with it btw

[nocturne dust]

No worries, I just have a vendetta against 🅱️istol

stupid gun

[fiery stratus]

its pretty good, still wish the animations are faster

damage is really good though

[nocturne dust]

My main problem with it is they tried to sidestep the aiming bug by toning down the recoil, but that didn't fix the aiming bug which is still very much there

[fiery stratus]

yeah thats unfortunate. Its slightly noticable but its still very usable

the recoil on the hipfire isn't too great imo, takes a sec to index the shot again

[summer prairie]

kind of ridiculous the ogryn enemies have a 50% chance of being mutated and then they just get one-shot with ranged

[nocturne dust]

This entire mode just hates staffkers

Bosses, enemies that may or may not explode when you staff their face

[summer prairie]

When enemies explode the scoreboards only record the damage you inflicted rather than the full enemy health

[plucky flax]

It appears chest can't be mutated?

So surge and burga can just cook.

[summer prairie]

It's just the head. Poxwalkers have other parts but they also only explode if you headshot them

and only 10% of them explode even though all/most of them look mutated

[plucky flax]

Ez game for psyker

I did most monster damage even with a bolter vet on team. Yet to see a gun lugger or hammer zealot in my lobby tho I'm sure he'd be top by far

[proper osprey]

@plucky flax how much toughness do you want on psyker?

120?

[plucky flax]

It's up to you. I am at 110

[proper osprey]

Oh

[plucky flax]

I am hp player

[proper osprey]

I didn’t know if it really made a difference form 100 to 120

Made a melee psyker with dclaw

It’s so fun

[cloud lichen]

anyone got noice trauma build

[plucky flax]

https://youtu.be/6lyN5CY5Le8

At the start is build

[spice flame]

Tried it, loved it

[proper osprey]

One more question can ee stack with anticipation and can ee dodge nets?

[spice veldt]

anticipation only affects spacebar dodges, and it won't let you dodge nets

[proper osprey]

Aw

[plucky flax]

I never use anticipation

[cloud lichen]

dope thanks!

[hasty valve]

If I start a new psyker character, is all my already unlocked stuff and gear transferable or will it be completely separated?

[echo root]

Mastery (weapon level / blessings / max empower), cosmetics, penances and your resources are kept. Everything else is tied to your character.

[wind spruce]

Because they're stupid af

But you're on the wrong side.

Compared to the other side it's almost equally as stupid to stand there as it is to stand in front of the ele

[short lily]

are there any psyker guns that can deal with armor

like crushers and maulers

[nocturne dust]

I mean, psyker has the shared guns

so just take a revolver

[raven mountain]

Revolver is your best "instant fix" to armor.

Bistol takes about 5ish headshots to a crusher.

[nocturne dust]

Voidstrike takes 1

[raven mountain]

Looking at the list, I don't think of any of the unmentioned guns being any good at actually dealing with armor. Staffwise, you have other options, though. BB is slowish, but with all the related perks and EP, it's somewhat usable. And of course, melee wise, you have several convenient options.

[summer prairie]

revolver is with hand cannon

[nocturne dust]

Staffwise, every staff except Purgatus deals with crushers

[raven mountain]

Yeah, my Vraks IAG is saying like 10-40 crusher damage. Without something like Vet's onslaught, most of the Psyker's guns just don't pack a punch on carapace.

[nocturne dust]

You mean PotS isn't our lord and savior? 😔

[restive slate]

What is PotS?

[nocturne dust]

Penetration of the Soul, the node next to Empyric Resolve

The one nobody takes

[glacial socket]

Is that the 10% rending above 75 peril?

[nocturne dust]

yes

[raven mountain]

I just tested it out of curiousity on a fully stacked scrier's

WITH the penetrating

[glacial socket]

I take it when I have to

[nocturne dust]

It's also broken and doesn't work at all last I checked

[glacial socket]

Mostly to get to warp charge tree

Never notice it

[raven mountain]

I couldn't decide if I wante dcrit chance or blaze away, so I settled for crit chance.

[summer prairie]

it definitely doesn't work since it's not used in the damage code at all

[raven mountain]

And yeah, three fully charged fire bursts together, even with the brittle and rending did about half a crusher.

That being said, everything else in the room would be utterly fucked and a half dead crusher is easy for the team. But yeah, can't get enough rending on it to make it relevant for crushers.

[glacial socket]

Usually folks run BB or a dueling sword with fire staff to deal with crushers

[raven mountain]

Yeah, was just curious where it fell since I never tested it completely.

[glacial socket]

Fair

[nocturne dust]

It literally doesn't work so it's a dead node

but if it did work it'd still be pretty dead

[glacial socket]

I think it's okay against crusher hordes

[nocturne dust]

PotS? Just do uncanny soulblaze.

Or just uncanny.

[glacial socket]

Yea 10% rending for around half the game isn't to great

Some builds can't handle the toughness loss from empyric resolve though

[nocturne dust]

Even if you ignore the peril requirement, 10% rending isn't going to really give you much. I doubt we'd be hitting any new breakpoints.

[nocturne dust]

Git gud 😎

[glacial socket]

Real and true

Krill issue

[raven mountain]

Like, the requirement is annoying to maintain naturally, and it's super easy with Warp Unbound, but even if it weren't bugged, 10% rending seems pretty bad.

[nocturne dust]

I mean, to point it out

Vet gets a 10% rending node right next to an important node for damage on their middle

and it has no requirements

and Vet doesn't always take that node even when passing by

[raven mountain]

I want to love that node, and I often take it given the chance.

The vet one.

But 10% just isn't crazy.

Like, Uncanny is like 20% a stack or something.

[nocturne dust]

It's a choice. It often doesn't help with breakpoints, especially if you're already running uncanny.

[raven mountain]

I like it with recon lasgun (and onslaught). And with something that goes brrrr, specific breakpoints aren't as important as something that measures damage in 1-2 shots.

[nocturne dust]

yes, but then you go for the brittleness node on the right anyway

[raven mountain]

yep.

Now to revert my inferno staff before I forget.

I need to get that mod that lets me talk to Hadron from inside the test room

For what it's worth, running Blaze Away + Penetrating Flame on a Fully stacked scrier's with PotS does 3/4 kill a crusher in three full unloads. xD

Instead of 1/2

If I had had +25% carapace damage, I might have come close to killing it. xD

[quartz barn]

is there a mod that gives you a notification when you're near a scripture / grim?

[nocturne dust]

uh yes

[quartz barn]

similar to the one for the green symbols

what is it called

because i can only find book finder, but that one is listed as obsolete

oh wait nvm found it

[nocturne dust]

https://www.nexusmods.com/warhammer40kdarktide/mods/298

[raven mountain]

I like the notification, but I always felt the actual indicator was just a step too far.

Knowing to look is different than being told where it is.

[upper sun]

yoooo

i never got a close look at the marty skull before

the crown is kinda fire

[raven mountain]

I need to go and get a bunch. I want the reward point armor, and if I just grab a bunch of skulls, I think I'm there.

[quartz barn]

honestly i know most of the spawns, but its still kinda weird when i somehow miss all 3

scripts

[raven mountain]

The alternative is like grinding out more maps and finishing the last of the character stuff. And doing all the private games is a lot of bother.

[quartz barn]

so thats the only reason why i wanted to check

ye but ive almost done all of them

i just have vet left

and most of those are mission clears

[raven mountain]

I have like 1-2 grinds for non-ogryn, and the private quests for everyone.

We don't talk about Ogryn. I pretty much solely leveled it to 30+30 playing shield slapper.

[quartz barn]

same xd

[raven mountain]

There's so much to do there on builds I don't like.

[quartz barn]

got the bowling penance in the very first hallway

zealot is easy now that the train exists

[raven mountain]

I think I'm at 55/60 for it or whatever.

Literally never tried to get it and got hella close.

[quartz barn]

also for collectible ill prob just turn the indicator off

and for my penance progress

[raven mountain]

I think I need to pick up the expanded build mod list just because of psyker now. There's too many builds that I just want access to.

Everything else fits well enough in 5 (or the builds are similar enough that a weapon swap suffices)

[nocturne dust]

I mean you've only got like 2 builds on psyker with weapon swaps and minor node changes

3 if you count smite spam

[plucky flax]

Every build is creeping flames spam build

[raven mountain]

I have 5ish and none of them have smite or bubble. =X

[nocturne dust]

mad talk for someone in scrier's voidstrike distance

[raven mountain]

(which is everywhere!)

[plucky flax]

Void player thinking they can out damage surge or burga

[nocturne dust]

Voidstrike players can outdamage burga by killing enemies before they enter burga range

[nocturne dust]

May I introduce you to https://www.nexusmods.com/warhammer40kdarktide/mods/383

[quartz barn]

[nocturne dust]

"Hiding is cheating"

[raven mountain]

tldr: I have builds and I want more, and they really do feel like more than just a couple of passives to swap around between them.

---

But yeah, gunker with scrier's+tranquility. Left click electro build with creeping flames and no keystone. Assailker with shriek EP. Voidblast with shriek and warp charges. And a Purgatus Scrier's with no keystone.

I kinda miss easy access to my old shriek purgatus. I kinda want to have a single smite build. I wouldn't mind having one build with access to bubble for when I'm in the mood. And while I'm not a fan of disrupt destiny, I'd probably sometimes use it if I didn't have to change anything for it. I could probably swap the electric staff left-click build for a voidstrike staff, but I think I'd want to go all the way down for a keystone on that.

So that's 9 more or less different combinations.

[nocturne dust]

I have the mod for extra loadouts and it's not enough, lol

[raven mountain]

None of the other classes feel like this. 5 is usually enough. Like some minor changes gets me from a crusher to a thammer. And a crit knife loadout isn't all that different from a crit dueling sword loadout as long as you want charge on both.

Ogryn I was pretty happy with 1. xD

[summer prairie]

you can edit the extra loadouts ini for more

[nocturne dust]

[raven mountain]

And on Psyker, it's so hard to move away from DS and force swords.

[nocturne dust]

Time to have ten billion loadouts

[raven mountain]

Just checked on the mod page.

"You can increase the max number of loadouts manually by editing the mod file but characters are capped at 8 server side."

Go have fun!

[nocturne dust]

It probably breaks the UI if you have too many tho

[summer prairie]

I've had it at 24 forever, but yeah

based on screenspace there's room for a lot more

[raven mountain]

Loading it in as we speak. xD

[nocturne dust]

The trick is to use melee as tools you don't rely on

mobility-maxed Knife on staffker actually works fairly well

and of course there's also Devil's Claw parry gaming

and axe isn't bad now that we get attack speed.

[raven mountain]

I love the knife, I like the shock maul and chain axe, I'm occasionally into the DC, and that's just off the top of my head.

Oh, and the Rashad.

[nocturne dust]

I've yet to really try chain axe.

[raven mountain]

The 10% attack speed is just enough to get it from clunky to good enough.

I wouldn't say the chain axe is strictly good, but I like that with bloodletter and its version of uncanny strike, you can 1-shot crushers with the rev up (if you let them bleed out.)

[nocturne dust]

I want a bleed build on Psyker

[raven mountain]

I think the light-strikedown axe is also capable of staggering ragers out of their rage with a full heavy. I don't remember if it needs any boosts for it though.

[nocturne dust]

let me have a shrapnel staff

[raven mountain]

I've run knife-scrier's for that.

I kinda want the autopistol to be moved into that space. Give it crit-bleed bullets.

Still bad at ranged, but boy would it feel good to just spray something then watch it bleed out.

[plucky flax]

No keystone creeping flames wtf

[raven mountain]

Yeah, the left-click electro staff build. I just didn't have points once I took all the passives I wanted going down.

[solar nest]

does this work with the secuence of tiks of the same smite that provoke this effect on target?

[raven mountain]

Wanted auto-proc bb, mettle+perfect timing, the whole new staff tree, crit chance aura, both crit evade and peril toughness DR, warp rider, the 5% crit node above DD, and that only left 3 points to get quell and empyric.

I wanted PC and Wildfire too for fun, so I just couldn't quite get down to EP for the odd BB or down through warp charges to get either of the warp charge acquisition mods, so I just left them both out.

[raven mountain]

iirc, once they're electrocuted (after the first tick or the tick they become stunned, I'm not sure) they take the damage boost. And I believe it applies for a few seconds after you let go, like 2.

If you're using it for yourself, it has some use with Shriek, but it's also a pretty mediocre boost all around. Once had someone argue they were buffing the team by smiting a beast of nurgle.

[solar nest]

oh i see thank u very much

[proper osprey]

I think the only thing the new skills brought into light was melee psyker

Everything else is pretty mid

Oh and gunker

Gunker was buffed

[raven mountain]

Psyker has a huge array of very viable and different playstyles right now. Scrier's now working well with staves and high peril makes those builds significantly more accessible, as well as making Assail much easier to fit in with Scrier's. The new left-click electro build is empowered by the new staff cluster on the left, and I think I've seen it get run both with creeping flames and scrier's.

Like, there's definitely still an S and A tier, but there's so much stuff that's good in the A tier to choose from--and much of it feels different because of the array of blitzes, abilities, and staff/gun choices.

And that's discounting older utility stuff that isn't quite as strong these days but is always nice to have—smite spam and bubble.

[zinc phoenix]

I agree, I think psykers have a lot of auric mael viable playstyles and it’s a big improvement over the past

[quaint breach]

what are psyker's best boss damage options?

[urban sandal]

brain burst, dueling sword or deimos force sword

[raven mountain]

There's also side options for scrier's infernus recon lasgun

[quaint breach]

what stuff do I need to make brain burst do viable damage?

[raven mountain]

EP or warp charges and Kinetic Resonance.

[urban sandal]

kinetic resonance and either the 2 charge wall shield or shriek to speed it up

add in a blue stim and you'll be bursting at a pretty high rate

[raven mountain]

It's not like THammer, Gunlugger, or Plasma vet, where it'll just blow something away.

[quaint breach]

yeah I expected that

[raven mountain]

But it'll do pretty comparable boss damage to a bossing build.

And yeah, blue stim helps a ton, too

[quaint breach]

I do feel tho smite can add a bit more to a run than brain rupture, even if it has real good range

[urban sandal]

I feel like if you're good at targeting specialists and elites before they cause trouble for the team then bb is one of the best tools in the game

[raven mountain]

Ish. Smite, unless specifically built for, is mostly an emergency crusher/rager train button. At least with Kinetic Flayer, you're randomly popping headls all throughout the map.

[quaint breach]

I see

[raven mountain]

1-point safety button vs 2-point (3-point if you're fitting it in for bossing) skill. Opportunity costs on both sides.

[quaint breach]

I'm really just leveling psyker so it was an uneducated feel of the skills rlly

could you point me towards a build revoling around brainburst?

[urban sandal]

smite's got a place but you can honestly fill a pretty similar role just by taking the voidblast/trauma staff

[echo root]

Personally I don't like smite. Group up the mobs then burst them.

Smite leaves them all scattered

[urban sandal]

this is my main psyker build
https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9d4a8fa8-3de4-4f59-addb-61b8912f2a1a/auric-maelstrom-psyker

[raven mountain]

Not specifically, I don't really look up builds too often. The important part for BB to be a good tool to whip out is just Kinetic Resonance (under the BB tree) and Warp Charges for more spammy ability (thus more brain burst spam) or Empowered Psionics (3 bursts before you use ability then 3-4 more with the ability-empwoered speed)

[true zenith]

Anyone care to help a sibling finding martyr skulls in chasm terminus?

[raven mountain]

Psykinetic's Aura is good with it though (and immediately next to it) for more spammy ability.

Same with Seer's Presence aura.

[quaint breach]

thank you

[raven mountain]

If you take venting shriek, it leaves all the chaff dead, not scattered, lol.

[austere warren]

It's position dependent and sometimes players aren't considering the foresight, sometimes to their teammates/own detriment. Oddly enough, smite requires a teeny bit of finesse and discipline to not over do it.

[echo root]

Yes, but you are standing there channeling and keeping the mobs in place

[austere warren]

EP and soul blaze ticks make it much better though. Especially with wildfire and the venting shriek talents.

[echo root]

You could just burn them all to a crisp on a corner with purgatus in half the time

Or have the zealot abolish them

[raven mountain]

And leave all the scary elites to do what they want.

[echo root]

Smite slows the game down to a crawl

[raven mountain]

The main draw of smite is that it can actually kill the horde and keeps those elites from being a problem.

[austere warren]

That is the point of it so I mean...yk?

[raven mountain]

And it only slows the game to a crawl if it's being misused.

[summer prairie]

it's your blitz, you know you can just use it when it's appropriate

[echo root]

It's just boring to play as and boring to play with

[raven mountain]

Cool reddit point that no one's ever heard before.

[summer prairie]

instead of using it immediately when encountering some trickle horde

[echo root]

#ReworkSmite

[raven mountain]

With the same counterarguments no one has ever heard before.

[austere warren]

The problem with most smite psykers is that they have a tendency to get tunnel vision. You get more mileage out of it by just feathering it before it jumps to too many targets and corral them. If you're with teammates, they can just walk up and kill shit anyway. /shrug

[echo root]

2 poxwalkers, it's smiting time

[raven mountain]

It's useful and powerful when built around, and it's useful and clutch when simply taken. If you're worried about time, then either you're wanting to run too fast or the smyker is misusing their blitz.

[summer prairie]

also BB time

[broken carbon]

me, the zealot, watching a smite psyker smiting a single plague hound instead of just walking up to it and stabbing it

[quaint breach]

what's EP?

[broken carbon]

enhanced psionics

[raven mountain]

Empowered Psionics. It's a keystone you don't usually take, but it has some specific uses.

[broken carbon]

it’s the center keystone

oh yeah, empowered, not enhanced

[runic juniper]

E Peen

[raven mountain]

Just the keystone is great with Smite since you don't always need to be hitting the button, and the one charge is enough much of the time. Keystone is great with BB if you don't want to spend the talent points on Warp Charges since it functions similarly to the cdr from warp charges. And the reason to snag it with Assail is the free assail casts (and with the middle node Psionic Leeching it provides a handy 45% toughness boost to the team if you dump all three charges)

I would say that Warp Charges and DD are significantly more powerful in general, but EP is underrated from the way I've seen it discussed.

[broken carbon]

how is it similar to cdr from warp charges?

[raven mountain]

It's a bit roundabout, so bear with me. The Kinetic Resonance talent gives fast cast (iirc, it's like 3-4ish casts) when you press the ability.

[broken carbon]

oh elite packs

[plucky flax]

Had a game with a left click surge gamer yesterday but he used creeping flames at below 84% peril
I was on right click surge

[raven mountain]

Warp Charges give cdr to your ability, letting you get fast cast a few more times.

However, EP gives you three charges of fast cast without using your ability

[broken carbon]

ohg

[raven mountain]

So in the space of like 9 casts, they're about the same.

[broken carbon]

holy noob alert

[plucky flax]

Dunno if he wanted to dps race or what buy I was triggered every time he casted creeping flames for 2 stacks

[echo root]

Getting the initial stacks for the scoreboard addon

🐒

[raven mountain]

Outside of an "omg they're on my face" I can't imagine short stacking below 80 or so.

[quaint breach]

you have 60% sniper res, it seems to be hard to avoid sniper shots when brainbursting them? ^^

[urban sandal]

nah it's just to make those rare sniper shot you actually get hit by that much less damaging

since psyker is squishy enough as is when things hit your hp

[quaint breach]

aren't gunners often ending up dealing plenty damage, cuz there's more of em?

[urban sandal]

with good positioning you shouldnt really be getting hit by gunners too often

and you can just duck around a corner once you lock onto them with bb

[exotic crane]

gunner resistance doesn't even work on most gunners

[raven mountain]

It doesn't work for what I think of as "shooters" random dudes with a gun.

[summer prairie]

it works on all enemies called gunners

[urban sandal]

if it worked on regular shooters I would always use it

[summer prairie]

and reapers

[raven mountain]

It works on the heavy gunners, so the dudes with machine guns.

[exotic crane]

yeah, 2 of them

[raven mountain]

Both gunners and reapers. But it won't work on shotgunners, random mook shooters, snipers, or the like.

[exotic crane]

and reapers too yeah

[raven mountain]

Honestly, I think most of the DR by enemy types are a trap.

[exotic crane]

shotgunners are the bane of me personally

[raven mountain]

The only two I don't mind so much are bombers and flamers (mostly bombers) since I want to have more flexibility in running through their area denial.

[quaint breach]

I wish one of them worked against pox bursters

[raven mountain]

Getting cornered because you are scared of running through a cloud or fire is bad. Even if the 20% isn't life-saving, it might push you to reposition through it more often, making you safer.

[summer prairie]

pretty sure that for me snipers are the smallest source of specialist damage

[plucky flax]

Not everyone is pro like u

[quaint breach]

pox bursters are the worst for me, i can avoid snipers more than gunners too

[summer prairie]

I've been looking at Power DI damage reports

[raven mountain]

It feels really bad when snipers eat your whole toughness and a huge chunk of health, but I don't think they're often a problem.

[quaint breach]

but bombers res doesn't work against pox bursters?

[raven mountain]

Bombers res works on pox bombers and fire bombers.

so clouds and ground fires.

flamers works on regular flamers and green flamers.

[quaint breach]

wish i could test this in the meat grinder

[raven mountain]

You probably could with the mod that lets you spawn aggressive enemies.

[quaint breach]

what's a pox bomber tho if not burster?

i thought theres just pox bursters and pox flamers

[urban sandal]

tox bomber, the green gas cloud nades

[raven mountain]

A pox bomber is the dude who throws a bomb and big green clouds stop you from seeing and eat your toughness, then your health (and idr if the health damage ends up being corruption or not, I haven't thought about it in awhile)

[quaint breach]

https://warhammer-40k-darktide.fandom.com/wiki/Dreg_Tox_Bomber

[urban sandal]

it's just corruption damage

[quaint breach]

it confused me, since it's tox and not pox

[urban sandal]

if you have a way to gain toughness back between each tick then you don't even have to worry about corruption

[raven mountain]

Yeah, it's just like 20 toughness per tick. It's completely ignored on vet and zealot with their "push button gain toughness" And while Ogryn doesn't have that, they just have like 350 health, so taking a few ticks isn't a big deal.

Just running straight through the cloud is basically the entire toughness bar or so.

[urban sandal]

if ogryn has an enemy to heavy attack they get half their toughness back anyway lol

and psyker can just gain and quell some peril

[raven mountain]

and walk more slowly through it while quelling, taking more toughness.

I'm not saying it's the best choice, but having even the one DR there makes me feel more confident going through it without repercussion, so it enables me to have better play through better positioning.

[urban sandal]

with a dueling sword or anything else with high mobility you can quickly swap to it, dodge slide and swap back and keep quelling

[rotund solstice]

Is the Inferno Staff, good feels like hot wind?!

[raven mountain]

So 1, shift W space, X R for half a second while sliding, 1, shift W space to try and save 20ish toughness? That's definitely something I could do, but I could see screwing it up and losing the benefit just as easily for myself.

[raven mountain]

It's not strictly meta, but it's very solid and chews through anything without carapace.

[rotund solstice]

what is conciderd meta?

[exotic crane]

Is this okay for a smyker? What weapon to go along with it?
I want to go for Smite + Telekine Shield 100%, not certain about the keystone.

[urban sandal]

it's handy for any situation where you need to quell while on the move, not just for in gas so I'd say it's worth practicing

[raven mountain]

I dunno, left-click surge spammer, recon lasgun scrier's, whatever staff with venting shriek for burns.

Inferno's biggest hangup is its range and inability to deal with certain specific enemies.

[late sapphire]

Not against unarmored/infested!

[urban sandal]

voidblast/trauma staff and dueling sword are pretty meta

[raven mountain]

But it does work in plenty of situations.

[late sapphire]

Which for soulblaze is what groaners walkers dogs so eh anyways

[raven mountain]

Ooo, that's a deep cut, Brat, I have to go back and even see what I was talking about back then. xD

[late sapphire]

I slept

[raven mountain]

Rending -does- add damage to unarmored and infested.

It's just like 2.5% for every 10% or something. It's way diminished.

[late sapphire]

Nah

[raven mountain]

Unless it's specifically rending over 100% that adds that small amount to things with armor only.

But I do know that there is a conversion for unnecessary rending to bonus damage.

Not that anyone cares about like 3% damage to unarmored on a weapon that already utterly obliterates them.

[raven mountain]

Also, what difficulty are you playing on?

Inferno is weird in that it gets happier the higher you go. It wants to build stacks from hitting enemies, which feels bad when they already die too fast. But it also benefits from density where most guns don't. So it actually feels better to use in like Damnation and Auric than I remember it feeling in like Malice or whatever.

[late sapphire]

Overrending doesn't do anything for unarmored and infested enemies

[raven mountain]

Okay, I'll believe. I just know there is a conversion for overrending somewhere for something. If you say it doesn't apply to unarmored and infested, then I don't know enough to argue it.

[late sapphire]

Yeah it works against everything else

Anyways, according to other people (never tested) slaughterer buffs soulblaze too

[weary crane]

wait, was the bug where purga didnt apply 2 stacks on crit right click fixed?

[late sapphire]

That's a 40% buff, while max uncanny is about 20% on flak maniac unyielding and like 3x on crushers only

[rotund solstice]

4-5

[late sapphire]

But then the soulblaze still doesn't do much because crushers have 3.6k hp and you'd need insane stacks to kill em - if you are going to melee crushers grab a deimos and stick uncanny on it rather than misusing an illisi

So in short illisi gets slaughterer because it hits like a wet noodle against carapace and you should use it for hording, if you want armor damage take an uncanny deimos

[urban sandal]

or dueling sword

[raven mountain]

Then it should be feeling alright. Are you using the semi-standard build of Blaze Away + Crit on peril?

[rotund solstice]

I... dont use any build, just something I tossed together (Not doing much, just trying to survive in melee by parry)

[rotund solstice]

thats it

[uneven shuttle]

What's the dump stat on force staffs? Quell speed or Warp resistance? 😁

[upper sun]

if you're 100% sure you wanna be a smyker you should at least take creeping flames

[urban sandal]

warp res but it doesnt matter that much

[uneven shuttle]

Does it matter for Scrier's gaze builds? I liked playing that with a Purgatorus staff and trying to keep the peril down as long as possible

[weary crane]

Doesn't really work

I can get like 50% crit chance WITHOUT gaze

Shield is goated

[jovial juniper]

You can just quell
So it doesn't matter

[exotic crane]

Yeah, but I specifically don't want to run venting shriek. Maybe later, but for now the Dome is helping too much

[weary crane]

.

[mystic cloak]

Wassap gang just joined this server.

[exotic crane]

Is Empyric Resolve even worth it? I feel like the peril gains aren't that significant already, I can hold smite\spam staff for a very long time without it

but toughness replenishment penalty is harsh

[urban sandal]

the toughness replenishment penalty isn't worth it imo

[raven mountain]

In match, will check it and advise after.

[rotund solstice]

joo, atm my build is build around, parry of melee enemies (which works quite well), just not sure with sidestaff

and especially, what perks on staffs are good/worth

[urban sandal]

can't go wrong with flak on any of them but voidstrike probably benefits more from cara or crit chance

[echo root]

The toughness penalty is applied twofold since you also take a lot of talents that replentish toughness based on peril. Peril is also damage + crit chance in most builds.

[urban sandal]

flak and crit chance is always a safe pick

[buoyant maple]

Rending doesn’t apply to unarmored & infested, period
Rending above 100% does nothing
Rending converts into +damage at 1/4 value when it helps an attack’s ADM reach above 100%

[mystic cloak]

Sorry to butt in like this: Do you guys have any tips for the Malleus Monstronum penence? Im guessing you need to beat the mission too right? And soloing (with bots) would be hell as well?

[urban sandal]

you can't do a solo private match, you'll need at least 1 other person with you

[mystic cloak]

ah I see

[urban sandal]

you don't have to beat the mission, you just have to do at least 50% of the damage to a bosses hp before it dies which is easy enough if you have someone that's capable at surviving/tanking it for you

the most convenient way is to have a shield ogryn that agros a daemonhost and just sits in a corner tanking it

[mystic cloak]

OH! thats awesome 😄

[weary crane]

Is the max value 80 80 80 80 61?

Or is 61 taking other points like 62

[urban sandal]

yes

[weary crane]

[jovial juniper]

Build dependant

Though Penetration of the soul seems to be only working with Soulblaze

So if you're pathing to Warp Syphon

It's either win more/don't need it vs dead talent

[exotic crane]

thanks. I'll play without it for some time and see if it works better

[buoyant maple]

It depends on the staff

[exotic crane]

I am trying the electrowhatever staff with projectiles on LMB

[buoyant maple]

Inferno - no
Voidblast & electrokinetic - yes
Voidstrike - maybe

[raven mountain]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9d72d566-b110-488e-ad93-1b5d48e354f5/purgatus-core

This is 10 points shy of a full build. But that's because there are plenty of choices to make from here. This should get you a solid start. The melee is up to you, but something that deals with armor is mostly necessary since inferno staff doesn't.

[echo root]

Take wildfire if you're getting warp charges

[raven mountain]

Quietude+Battle Meditation at the top is a nice addition for general quelling.

I always take Wildfire because I like more burning. But I only took Psykinetic's in the skeleton since that's such an insane skill and you only need one to get through there.

For one extra point, you can take the +5% crit chance aura instead of the ability cdr aura, which is nice for more burning stacks. (Inferno staff provides 2 stacks on crits)

I very much like going warp charges and taking Empyric Resolve, but it's kinda overkill and sometimes hard to even build 85% peril to shoot your Venting Shriek for full stacks.

I wouldn't necessarily go all the way to the right in the middle by the auras to get Soul Drinker, but it is a lot of toughness generation and more crit for more burning stacks, so there's a reason to take it if you want to.

I wouldn't take any of the staff nodes on the left middle of the tree. You just really don't get much out of them compared to other staff builds.

Empathetic Evasion is also really-really good. If you're holding down your burn, you'll constantly be getting 1s of ranged evasion.

If you're worried about boss damage, you could even take Kinetic Resonance with BB so that when you vent, you get a bunch of fast bursts of damage on a boss.

[mystic cloak]

I am a noob, so I might be underestimating it, but is soulblaze good? Should I build everything else around it?

[raven mountain]

Also, it's rather off meta, but I've been taking the Chain axe with Thunderous+Bloodletter for extra bossing. Just one rev provides a big bleed, but also rending which benefits your soulblaze plus bleed stacks. It's a nice way to fit in some extra boss damage and also be able to solo-kill crushers as needed.

[urban sandal]

soulblaze is borderline useless against crushers but it's good enough at everything else

[raven mountain]

Soulblaze is very good, but you need to invest into it if you want it to be good. Like 3-4 stacks of it don't do much damage. But like 16+ stacks of it does very good damage.

It does like nothing to carapaced enemies, but it's extremely powerful against most everything else.

[mystic cloak]

Do I need to use a firestaff with it?

[formal harness]

Soulblaze is good against anything not carapace. Has average boss dmg not too good on that counterpart. If you are going for SB builds I suggest a ult cycling warp siphon build

[urban sandal]

blazing spirit and warp nexus voidblast staff is solid too but the fire staff is entirely focused on soulblaze

[raven mountain]

Soulblaze is primarily focused on with a firestaff, but the trauma (voidblast) staff also has a good build for stacking fire on it.

[mystic cloak]

Ah I see

[echo root]

Every build with Venting Shriek can take advantage of Soulblaze

[raven mountain]

There are some builds that run like Smite + Venting Shriek as its primary fire source, and it's more for utility—killing some chaff with fire while holding down the scaries for adults to kill.

The soulblaze from Venting Shriek+Creeping Flames is enough to be useful even if you aren't investing elsewise, but you're also taking it to benefit from the extra peril reduction (and early on, the free save from exploding due to overperil).

[mystic cloak]

Hmm If I go for venting shriek flames (and I assume wildfire too) should I then swap from puppet master + psychic vampire to In fire reborn?

[raven mountain]

Perilous Combustion (the soulblaze from the top of the tree) is stronger the higher difficulty you go. It's not too impressive when there's a random gunner, but when you have like 6 ragers in a horde, that's 18 stacks on the horde, which is more than enough to melt it.

[raven mountain]

I do on the fire staff and fire-specced voidblast builds. I don't actually have any definitive conclusions about if it's strictly better. Feels like it's great though.

If you're just going venting flames, I don't specifically know, but Psychic Vampire is also pretty insane as you move up in difficulty and if you stick in coherency. I don't usually take puppet master, but it would synergize with Psychic Vampire if you felt like you don't maintain coherency well enough.

Any build where I run Warp Charges tends to be super trait-locked, so I'm always having to strip stuff down.

[mystic cloak]

nice, btw thanks for the advice!

[raven mountain]

Also of note, I think Empyric Resolve (the peril generation reduction at the cost of toughness) is overkill on an inferno build. I feel like I can't generate peril fast enough to hit venting shriek at timely moments with it, but the other node you could take there is bugged and does nothing (Penetration of the Soul)

So it's a point tax if you want to go warp charges and don't want the peril reduction.

[mystic cloak]

oh I didnt know it was bugged

[raven mountain]

I wasn't either until recently. Even if it weren't bugged though, it's a fairly weak talent.

[rotund solstice]

the staff nodes seem a bit underwhelming from what they do, yeah

[raven mountain]

But something would be better than nothing.

[rotund solstice]

thanks, gonna try that

[raven mountain]

They're insane on something like the Electrostaff. Just utterly useless on Inferno.

[rotund solstice]

will try it out when I level the electro staff!

[raven mountain]

That skeleton of a build basically takes all the random important nodes you want on that side of the tree. There's plenty of room to experiment around it.

Psyker's tree is just utterly loaded with good stuff, you just need to be picky about what you're taking since there's never enough points, lol.

[rotund solstice]

wield speed is like how fast it charges?

[raven mountain]

Wield speed is how fast you weapon swap and something else idr.

It's basically useless

Psyker doesn't get access to any of the weapons with huge swap times, so it's of very limited use.

[buoyant maple]

Empyric shock for EK surge m1 is the strongest build in the game

It also happens to be unbelievably boring

[plucky flax]

I don't play empyric shock with left click spam

[rotund solstice]

EK surge m1?

[buoyant maple]

Electrokinetic staff (EK)
Surge blessing
M1 left click spam

[plucky flax]

https://youtu.be/2IRKIwIOLew

[buoyant maple]

It’s a very silly build that beats most other meta builds by like 3x the damage

[summer prairie]

So like 3 million

[weary crane]

does peril decay of staffs affect primary weapon?

[buoyant maple]

I mean it like, in the same lobby, it’ll very easily end up doing more damage than others

[plucky flax]

You do 1 Mil damage every game?

[summer prairie]

Nah, usually not

[plucky flax]

Me neither I'm not that good

[summer prairie]

the team has to be slow enough

[plucky flax]

I prefer team to be fast but they all play 'support' builds

[buoyant maple]

Or die enough times

[plucky flax]

Taunt ogryn choir zealot non ep smite spammer

[weary crane]

no joke, my first 2 rolls on inferno are this

[plucky flax]

The first one you can get 80 everything and 40 something warp resist

Veri cool

[weary crane]

just got another 2 perfect stats

its too easy to get max weapons now

[rotund solstice]

why especially the EK?

[buoyant maple]

Innate +21% crit chance & boosted crit damage bonus from having the “critical bonus” stat

Surge blessing shoots 2 projectiles when u crit

[prime elk]

noooooo stop. we need less m1 psykers in the game

[cloud lichen]

this sounds fun mind linking a build

[rotund solstice]

AH, thanks

[buoyant maple]

I’d rather people spam it and get it nerfed

[raven mountain]

Even though the rmb of the EK doesn't have projectiles, it does so much work for the LMB that it's totally viable to just use that blessing and shoot small balls at everything all day.

The build is super overtuned, but when it gets nerfed, I hope it's still a mostly viable choice--at least with some RMBs slipped in

[plucky flax]

Right click on surge is only slightly less damage compared to left click.

And you don't have to aim

I hope left click get gutted

[summer prairie]

lmb quell cancel needs to go

[plucky flax]

Left click spammer against bonbon spam

[prime elk]

that requires FS to be aware there is an issue, and care enough to fix it

[thorn cedar]

theyre aware

[raven mountain]

It feels plenty strong with just the basic auto-clicker. Quell cancelling puts it into absurd, and that's even before the cancel is automated.

[exotic crane]

Man, so many good talents and blessings on psyker

I'm not used to that coming from ogryn

spoiled for choice

[raven mountain]

Yeah, I stumbled on the meta gunlugger build just by going straight down, lmao

Like, I -want- to make changes, but there just isn't anything besides that top section to do much with, unless I'm changing abilities, auras, or blitzes altogether.

[raven mountain]

Holy shit. It just occurred to me. You are charging the inferno staff and using the long burns, not just the little left-click puffs, right?

I just used the left click in a match and was like, "it is like a puff of hot wind" and that occurred to me.

[rotund solstice]

yeah

[rotund solstice]

left click is just warp fart

[raven mountain]

yeah. Don't forget that it's actually useful. Staggers ragers and shit.

[rotund solstice]

yes, it was suprisingly effective

just wished how it looks, wouldent feel like spraying cotton candy on the enemies

just learned in a match; doesent work well against snipers

[coarse mural]

You better run boy

[tough igloo]

Yeah, I've been running it on my deimos for the last couple days, and I'm having a blast with it.

Adds some nice tankiness in bad situations or gap closing on groups of gunners

[coarse mural]

I love being the flamer wizard, and I’m willing to bet I’m not the only one

[rotund solstice]

tought it will go well like parry against crusher, but no, sniper shot still went through most of the HP, but atlest not a 1 shot

[tough igloo]

I dislike that it makes it difficult to deal with problem enemies though. 😦

So if I'm pugging I usually run assail if i'm using flame staff so I can pick things off

IE: snipers

[buoyant maple]

It doesn’t do anything for sniper shots

[rotund solstice]

without it, I was one shotted, blocked with it and survived one shot and dident got staggered 🤔

[coarse mural]

My IGN is Moses-FromTheBible

Who’s tryna get biblical in a half hours time?

[buoyant maple]

Sniper shot is 122.5 health damage, that depends on how much health you had

[tough igloo]

Thinking about making a tanky psyker build. For CC do you think I should run purgatus or voidblast?

[steel flame]

Usually take BB on my scriers fire staff build since I'm immune to range damage when I'm engaged with enemies but every once in a while I get a sniper when I don't have stuff to hit so he gets a brain blast

[tough igloo]

yeah generally I think bb is great on fire staff bc of the 10% proc chance node

[steel flame]

I don't invest in it for that build actually

It's just the best path blitz to cover a weakness

[rotund solstice]

Ogryn shield is the only one who can block the sniper shots?

[buoyant maple]

Yes

[exotic crane]

[steel flame]

If you want a in the thick of it cc tank, fire trauma works super well, but it's a tough play style. I can give you my build and recommendations for it if you want

[tough igloo]

Yeah send me it sibling.

Do you go out of your way to take any +toughness nodes?

[steel flame]

ill dm it to you so it doesnt get lost XP

[steel flame]

ok i dm'd you stuff

the hardest part is managing peril since you almost always want be redlining, and learning all the stagger breakpoints with charging your trauma so you can change your charge rhythm as the enemies change

[analog agate]

Default blaze blast build

[raven mountain]

Yeah, that's basically the core for most staff builds that aren't the EK lmb.

[steel flame]

only thing i would change is lose wildfire, and bb, and put them into the warp charge peril resistance and battle meditation

[thorn cedar]

that seems like tremendous overkill

but also hilarious

[steel flame]

which part is overkill XP

with that extra bit of peril resistance, you can spam a few more low charge fire spreading blasts before needing to quell or transition into redline pingpong

[summer prairie]

even just ER sometimes makes it hard to generate enough peril quickly

with trauma bb

except with your melee if you've a low WR roll FS

[raven mountain]

I do love battle meditation, but there's so much access to peril reduction that you don't really need to take all of it.

[steel flame]

oh

get rid of ER, for trauma staff

[summer prairie]

battle meditation is just annoying with trauma

[steel flame]

glad you said that

you really dont want er for trauma

[strong gulch]

ER for trauma is meta. You don't need BM or inner tranq.

Unless you just like them.

[steel flame]

i didnt even see that, good spot, i path through the other one to avoid it XP

[raven mountain]

Yeah, I just tried Inferno with it, and I almost couldn't get to 85% in time to use it on enemies. xD

It's definitely a strong choice, but it's also sometimes a bit much.

[upper sun]

no infire reborn

[strong gulch]

However, ER can make trauma feel more vulnerable (especially after the mettle nerf). Better positioning and curios adjustment can help a lot tho.

[steel flame]

er is awful for fire trauma specifically, you get too much peril resist from it which hurts your fire spread from ult, and it is detrimental to staying redlined, and in return all you get is less toughness regen

[strong gulch]

ER is detrimental on purg. It's meta on trauma, but meta doesn' take into account for personal pref or playstyle.

[steel flame]

id say its fine for always max charge trauma

[strong gulch]

Stacking other peril gen on top of ER tho, that's a differnt story.

[thorn cedar]

im with zazy tbh

the way i view it

ER is saving you the time spent not casting/quelling, right

along with associated bonuses

which to me means it competes with solidity

which is quite frankly

kinda just fucken better

[summer prairie]

ER is only a modest dps boost, it's meta because people are saying it is meta

[strong gulch]

ER is also point cost effective

[thorn cedar]

well yes, its on the way

[summer prairie]

and only in the context of this discord

[thorn cedar]

but i only ever take the rending node

even though i think that one is also pretty shit

but it doesnt come with -30% toughness regen

[strong gulch]

Has the rending node been fixed yet?

Or does it still not function?

[steel flame]

i only use er for scriers build where i have so much peril gen it completly offsets the loss in toughness regen

rending node only works for soulblaze dot rn

[summer prairie]

I run ER with trauma but I think it makes the game a bit harder for only a modest benefit

benefit being number going up

[steel flame]

it makes it really hard to maintain high peril

[thorn cedar]

my ER makes it really hard to get it up

[steel flame]

-_-

[thorn cedar]

and by it i mean my aaah haha you knowww ehhhh haha

my perils and toughness

[steel flame]

still annoying vet gets a free 10% rending node but we only get it for warp damage and staying above 75% peril and it doesnt even work properly XP

[thorn cedar]

i know

it kinda pisses me off lmao

and then they put it right beside ER

and i genuinely hold my nose up as i click down

just one more reason i pretty much never run warp charges

[patent mango]

could fr at least make it 20% and on any dmg....

[plucky flax]

If you can't get to 84 peril with er you need to spam your staff more

[analog agate]

Yeah. I also run tranq too. I still have no problem at being at high peril

[thorn cedar]

that aint me

if i dont press Q at least once every five seconds i will explode

[strong gulch]

What does Q do? Is the quell?

[analog agate]

I assume it is their shriek

[thorn cedar]

weapon swap

[analog agate]

Oh

[plucky flax]

Weapon swap on B just because

[analog agate]

I don’t even use that. Wheel up for staff. Down for sword. Middle for blitz

[strong gulch]

I see the vision. I too have Q as swap. Too ingrained from both vermintides.

[thorn cedar]

wait is that not the default key

but yes, vermintide

[analog agate]

Yeah I think it is

[strong gulch]

Well... ranged swap is also on tab for spicy brain reasons. 😂

[steel flame]

er makes doing this really hard https://medal.tv/games/warhammer-40000-darktide/clips/j3dJts0fFk46N0m99?invite=cr-MSxPbHEsMjUyNjQ3MjMwLA

[strong gulch]

I thing Q is default. My memory is just... funny.

[summer prairie]

the radius of the explosion is very small like that though

[steel flame]

not really

the fire goes off the stagger radius not the damage radius

stagger radius is almost the same as full charge attacks

[plucky flax]

That's certainly a way of playing blaze trauma

[analog agate]

Yeah. Why are you spamming the smallest charge possible

[steel flame]

its just for setting everything on fire

i use high charge blasts for actual kills and stagger

[modern pawn]

What are the dump stats on weapons usually ? Or on the Blaze sword and Bolt pistol for example ?

[upper sun]

boltpistol is pretty much everything except damage

blaze swords either warp res or mobility depending on how you use it

[echo root]

Wildfire give you so many warp charges through a game

[modern pawn]

so one with 60% reload speed is fine too I suppose

[upper sun]

yeah

[modern pawn]

Alright neat, don't have to chase another one then !

[steel flame]

on force swords you can dump peril resist

[raven mountain]

Man, chasing items these days is so calm and easy.

[steel flame]

Unless you're doing a scriers then you dump mobility

[raven mountain]

Just was like, I want another mark of this gun so I don't needto swap it. Done, 2 minutes.

[raven mountain]

God, I'm speccing a quell cancel lmb EK psyker, and it's disgusting.

[buoyant maple]

If they look like macro, u can report them in FS forums

[raven mountain]

I'm not going to all that.

It's just disgusting to see.

Like, he alone has more damage than the three of us.

Not even bothering to charge attack into bulwarks, just shooting until they stagger

Admittedly, my build is currently shite. Fucking around wiht stpid guns

But I'm number 2, like 400k behind.

[blissful solar]

he's just pro

[primal plume]

Does Enfeeble also apply to Surge staff?

[analog agate]

What would FS do? Is macro against their tos?

[buoyant maple]

It’s actually bannable

Some macros are allowed, this is not one of them

[balmy hamlet]

as one who follows the church of the voidstrike

someone educate me on the flames

is this fella worth improving and starting out

[radiant frigate]

nay

[buoyant maple]

Dump warp resist, get blaze away + warp nexus

Get a different staff with low warp resist

[radiant frigate]

flak crit or flak unyielding perks

and yes dump warp resist

[balmy hamlet]

low warp resist got it 🤔

[summer prairie]

it barely costs anything to use that staff if you don't already have something better

[analog agate]

Interesting. Had no idea

[buoyant maple]

Complex macros are not allowed

[analog agate]

gotcha

[balmy hamlet]

ah yes my gospel of the voidstaff is complete

[raven mountain]

Could also opt for quell speed if you do a build that barely has to quell, but it's suboptimal. Just funny that you can get away without using the mechanic.

But warp res is a pretty safe dump for like any staff.

[haughty star]

Source?

[patent mango]

idk i think full auto mod is allowed unsure if it even counts as one

[jagged quarry]

Brain rupture is such a boring skill to use, absolutely passive