psyker-class

[pliant tendon]

he likes his shriek so much he doesn't wanna go invis 😭

[radiant frigate]

shroudfield blitz

sneak up behind enemy

shriek

[nocturne dust]

Yes.

[radiant frigate]

banshee build

[nocturne dust]

[steep estuary]

Refuse to elaborate

Leave

[nocturne dust]

Stupid blunt.

[pliant tendon]

sneak up behind them

then unload all of my guns with scrier's gaze

[radiant frigate]

all your guns?

you get multiple?

[steep estuary]

I bring 2 with me all the time 💪

(I am a twig, be gentle ;-;)

[radiant frigate]

you got a permit for those?

[steep estuary]

N-no...

[pliant tendon]

well hopefully we get more in the future, and the ability to include at least 2 in the loadout

so that we can finally become proper gunslingers

[nocturne dust]

and other bad takes you can find in the Discord

[pliant tendon]

cmon psyker already gets the cowboy hat cosmetic

[radiant frigate]

imagine if we got to carry one full-size and a handgun

and melee

boltgun and boltpistol for maximum bolting

[steep estuary]

Its bolttastic

[pliant tendon]

precisely

[radiant frigate]

usain bolt returns

[pliant tendon]

since psyker can use blitz so doesn't really need a melee weapon

why not just leave it at home

bring more gun

[radiant frigate]

psyker blitz except it just summons a force greatsword

[steep estuary]

That would be cool

Oh! What if it depends on the attack you do? Dagger for a quick jab/stab, sword for light swings, hammer for heavies, etc?

[pliant tendon]

summons a force duelling sword 😂

[radiant frigate]

https://tenor.com/view/elden-ring-magic-sword-power-up-cell-big-sword-gif-25130362

[steep estuary]

Sword

[pliant tendon]

don't bring a knife to a gunfight

bring more guns 🙂

[steep estuary]

Assail staff when? Charge up an assail shotgun blast

[pliant tendon]

not a bad idea

add new staves that work like guns

so psykers stop using guns

[steep estuary]

We have circle, line, zap, and fire for staves. Squiggle could be fun

[pliant tendon]

we need a hitscan gun

[slate oasis]

just add new staves

I'll take anything

[pliant tendon]

was thinking a staff except it only shoots left click staff projectiles

[nocturne dust]

https://tenor.com/view/i-win-easy-shooting-gun-shot-gun-gif-13437188

[pliant tendon]

but you can hold the button and it shoots fast

[steep estuary]

Machinegun staff XD

[pliant tendon]

maybe make them hold it like a rifle too

for better precision, you see

[steep estuary]

Honestly, a new mark that changes up the current ones could go a long way.

Trauma could be a cone outward. That's all I got...

[pliant tendon]

and aim down sights

or maybe a scope

[nocturne dust]

Blackhole staff, blackhole staff

https://tenor.com/view/smg4-mario-black-hole-sucked-into-black-hole-supermarioglitchy4-gif-26442379

[steep estuary]

Hehehehe

Succ wand

[pliant tendon]

our psykers can't even do simple stuff like making themselves run faster or summoning a simple force barrier

how are they gonna make you black holes

[slate oasis]

voidstrike: gatling gun
surge: lightning shotgun
purgatus: either like Sienna's beam or flamestorm staff

actually yours was already shotgun. so make surge like beam staff and purgatus like flamestorm

[steep estuary]

Laser staff go berr

[glad meadow]

do lightining staff benefit from finesse?

[jovial juniper]

Yes

The zap can't really benefit from weakspot bonus though

[upper sun]

primary attack on weakspot and crit
secondary on crit only

[glad meadow]

does finesse increase crit too?

[jovial juniper]

Finesse is crit and weakspot

[glad meadow]

no no, crit chance

[echo root]

That's my favorite zealot build

[echo root]

Only crit dmg afaik

Crit dmg
Attackspeed
Weak spot dmg

[glad meadow]

ah, there not really a lot of stuff beside the key for increasing crit chance on psyker?

[echo root]

Staff Blessing (Warp Nexus)
Aura (CDR one is better)
Node before keystones
Perk on your staff

[jovial juniper]

Scrier's adding 20%

Innate 7,5

[pliant tendon]

staff of lead

aim it and it shoots an actual bullet from the tip

gotta carry ammo for it though...

and reload after each shot

nice for a surprise attack though

[glad meadow]

so at best 30% or so?

[nocturne dust]

for crit chance? No

Base 7.5%, two +5% crit chance nodes, +5% crit chance weapon perk, Warp Nexus is max +20% crit chance, Scrier's is +20%

Most staves can get to 60% crit chance

[glad meadow]

where two crit chance node?

i can only find one

[nocturne dust]

one is the aura

Prescience

[glad meadow]

ooh, ok

[nimble stone]

Is there a way to do more damage with smite or is my job just to sit there and stunlock entire hordes ? The ~15k stun in the scoreboard is pretty funny but eh

[slate oasis]

take venting shriek with creeping flame to kill everything you're stunning

[nimble stone]

Ah I already have those but it takes a long time to kill the special enemies

Sometimes everything lines up perfectly and my peril starts going down even when actively smiting ?

Brain burst seems utterly useless in comparison, assail is fun but not enough range

[paper loom]

what perks/blessings are good for DB shotgun?

[nocturne dust]

EP smite + creeping flames will kill everything fairly quickly other than crushers and bosses

[summer prairie]

https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/t/hotfix-52-1-5-10-patch-notes/100887

[hollow jolt]

so this is the "make the community hate recon users" event UwU

[nocturne dust]

https://tenor.com/view/subrote-futurama-to-shreds-you-say-shreds-farnsworth-gif-26671129

[echo root]

Was his apartment rent controlled?

[latent mauve]

block a certain vld main active in this channel before it starts

[vital coyote]

is warp resistance usually the dump stat for staffs and force swords?

[hollow jolt]

true

[hollow jolt]

I dump between quell speed and warp resist

tbh its mostly whatever Brunt hands me first

[vital coyote]

what would be better with scriers gaze? still just whichever?

[hollow jolt]

imo I didn't see a notable difference

but I run Warp Charges + the -40% peril gen node

so peril is not that big an issue in the first place for me

[vital coyote]

whats warp charges?

[hollow jolt]

the Keystone on the left

[vital coyote]

ah ok thats the one im building towards

[shrewd comet]

idk why but i always do better with the build i've always used, which is a standard electro staff spamming psyker with shriek

[late yew]

I really disliked gunker before

but now, when i learned that it is basically vet weapon specilaiast, i started liking it

switching between shards and melee/gun is fun

[hollow jolt]

it doesn't have the fire rate boost from Weapon Specialist

making it objectively inferior

[haughty star]

Yeah but weapon specialists don't have shards that'll take out up to 40 enemies in front of you either so I feel its give and take

[haughty star]

Ah yes another thing for people to explode in my face as I'm running up to dispatch it

[shrewd comet]

what guns are amazing with gunker?

are auto weapons best?

[paper loom]

heavy las pistol is great , revolver is great for sniping if you had surgical and hand cannon and columnus works good too

[shrewd comet]

oh so single shot weapons?

[echo root]

Isn't recon Las pretty decent too?

[paper loom]

get the mod that lets you shoot single shot as auto

[shrewd comet]

i do

was meaning like

semi auto

there we go

words are hard

[paper loom]

i havent tried recon las tbh

[haughty star]

Full auto are best like vraks mkv and recon lasgun

[shrewd comet]

ive never tried playing a gun psyker except when the auto brain burst on hit didnt have a cd

[paper loom]

but played gunker since release

[shrewd comet]

and that was with shredder auto lol

[sour nest]

Vraks and and pewpew lasgun are considered optimal

[shrewd comet]

pewpew meaning recon lasgun?

[sour nest]

Yeah the "I shit out bullets"

[shrewd comet]

what blessings/perks?

[paper loom]

it eats ammo tho

[nocturne dust]

yes

[echo root]

Crit weakspot and fire on crit

[shrewd comet]

ahh ok the infernus one

[echo root]

Crit chance and flak/carap AFAIK

[paper loom]

im still trying to make DB shotgun work every blessing seems trash on it

[shrewd comet]

Kret, would you mind tossing me your gunker build?

[echo root]

On my phone, also I haven't played my Las build in weeks. There are others here who are more into the whole gunker thing. I just swap to my vet.

[shrewd comet]

i love my vet lol

[haughty star]

Not as much as you'd think

They have a 1100 round cap lol

[azure parcel]

FartShart still didn't fix electro staff bug on controller

[shrewd comet]

can burn through that rather quickly though lol

[azure parcel]

[sour nest]

Yeah mk12 is very ammo friendly

[paper loom]

anyone try combat shotgun?

[haughty star]

I use the mk12 i think? The super fast shooting one and I have 0 issues with it on psyker

[shrewd comet]

so on gunker, is the gun primarily used for elites/specials? or hordes as well?

[paper loom]

depends on gun

[haughty star]

Depends on gun

[paper loom]

revolver destroys crushers etc

[haughty star]

Its frowned upon but high rof recon can straight mop a horde in seconds lol

[paper loom]

columnus kills hordes nicely too

[nocturne dust]

still a waste of ammo

[haughty star]

Meh depends on what you're doing with that build

[azure parcel]

Magdumping poxwalkers

[shrewd comet]

recon las gun

[nocturne dust]

I mean if you take a gun just to mop hordes, I feel like you're doing it wrong when we have two staves that do that better

and don't have ammo

[haughty star]

I don't think so tbh

[azure parcel]

Rather just name your character HelloICantMelee than blow ammo on poxxers

[paper loom]

lets all agree that the only mandatory thing is shock maul

[late yew]

It seems to me that kantrael laspistol is better for gunker than accatran?

[haughty star]

Recon for hordes and specials and ds4 for crushers works exceptionally

[paper loom]

i use the heavy las pistol (cant remeber the name) it obliterates pretty much everything

[haughty star]

Depends on what you wanna do with the gun lol

[nocturne dust]

exceptionally is a strong word

[late yew]

and which is good for which?

[late yew]

DS literally the best anti-crusher weapon, wut

[sly needle]

sigh, i had a perfect force sword that just got screwed by the empower bug that was supposedly fixed

[haughty star]

Bruh you literally don't even like gunker gtfo lol

[nocturne dust]

Yes. I wasn't disagreeing with DS on crushers, lol.

[nocturne dust]

Exactly.

[radiant frigate]

recon on hordes is a Guh from me

assail weaving ds4 is a yes

[nocturne dust]

Gunker is trash and so are you.

[late yew]

especially with +100% cleave on high peril

[paper loom]

joking aside the shockmaul with scriers gaze with the cleave node is hella fun

[radiant frigate]

frowned upon because it is a waste of perfectly good ammo

[haughty star]

Assail weave into recon and literally delete an entire horde in 10 percent of your ammo cap. Idk what's not to like about that tbh

[nocturne dust]

The waste of ammo

[haughty star]

Mop up crushers when you're done

[haughty star]

How is it a waste of ammo when you're using your ammo for that purpose? Lmao

[nocturne dust]

because you don't need recon for chaff

[haughty star]

You don't gunker

[sour nest]

If you are leaving the mission with ammo missing you wasted perfectly good ammo for the next one

[azure parcel]

What it do

[nocturne dust]

I've played gunker, hoe

[paper loom]

cleaves and staggers everythign with lightning

[nocturne dust]

Especially recon gunker, that's the one I've played most, lol

[paper loom]

also the wep special attack stuns crushers ,ragers etc

like a taser

[haughty star]

This is dumb thinking lol. I can literally go an entire match using recon on psyker to mop hordes and specials and only ever pick up two big ammos lol

By yalls thinking using a gun for anything is a waste of ammo because you can use a staff or a melee for bossing or heavy targets, what a waste

[azure parcel]

Yeah that one I knoe

[sour nest]

I know, I was being sarcastic/stupid on purpose.

[haughty star]

Oh mb

[azure parcel]

Just that Saul in my experience has really mid horde clear

[nocturne dust]

or don't and require no pickups

[haughty star]

No?

[late yew]

Bruh, that was obvious sarcasm it literally couldnot be more obvious

[nocturne dust]

Yes.

[echo root]

I shoot everything as Vet, shooting gives more dopamine than melee

[late yew]

"i am saving ult for the next game"

[sour nest]

Bait used to be believable

[late yew]

Pick ups are to be used

just like your mom

[nocturne dust]

The pubs will use it whether you like it or not.

[nocturne dust]

Mmmmmm corpse rations

[late yew]

Just be faster

[paper loom]

not if you use that node you gain cleave at higher peril

[azure parcel]

[nocturne dust]

That's not a complaint tho

[azure parcel]

I will try it out

[nocturne dust]

Let the pubs use their ammo

https://tenor.com/view/i-am-a-generous-god-xerxes-300-youre-welcome-gif-19690831

[haughty star]

Fuck them pubs

Recon must feed

[late yew]

Gunker is fun in the same way Weapon Specialist vet is fun

it adds more mechanics

and constant swapping

[haughty star]

[sour nest]

Hoover up all the ammo and watch the pubbies struggle for their life

[late yew]

If you just use GUN without swapping, gunker is lame as fuck indeed

which is why i hated gunker literally before like last few days

[potent echo]

Patch

[late yew]

i neve rrealised it is literally weapon specialist

[nocturne dust]

I use gunker properly, and I hate it anyway

[potent echo]

Meleeker is real

[late yew]

but vet swaps between melee and ranged

[potent echo]

Bonker

[nocturne dust]

real bad, yes

[late yew]

here you swap between warp and melee or warp and ranged

[haughty star]

I do this if I'm on my yelling gunker and I don't like my teammates. Just go straight recon and use my cracked out running from dd to hoover

[nocturne dust]

https://tenor.com/view/sips-tea-stephen-a-smith-gif-13112895

[potent echo]

Nou

[nocturne dust]

no u

[sour nest]

[radiant frigate]

not gunker, just true aim

[sour nest]

Gotta reinforce those stereotypes otherwise the cycle of hate becomes a line

[nocturne dust]

Meleeker is Gunker is Assailker

and they're all trash

[late yew]

no u

[nocturne dust]

no u

[radiant frigate]

just to spite you I'm going to play BB shriek voidstrike melee psyker again

[haughty star]

Not really? Idk gunker is one of the stronger builds for psyker lol

[late yew]

i said "no u" first

so i automatically win

[nocturne dust]

[haughty star]

Speaking of which @eternal widget what time are you getting on tonight

[nocturne dust]

no me

[late yew]

fuck

he is learning

[echo root]

https://tenor.com/view/stole-this-gif-gif-15168134369106916356

[radiant frigate]

at this rate i will have my own chapter in your book of grudges

[haughty star]

https://tenor.com/view/stranger-things-fire-flame-gif-14920648

[late sapphire]

you have to make sure you take all of the speed talents and hoover up all ammo

[nocturne dust]

It really isn't.

[late sapphire]

if someone else collects even one small ammo pack immediately leave the match

[azure parcel]

[radiant frigate]

the dastardly ammo devourer

[echo root]

(I think it is, but don't admit it)

[haughty star]

Be the problem you wanna see in this world

[sour nest]

Nah, then they win. Just spamm "I need Ammo!" for the rest of the game and spam click any chest being opened

[nocturne dust]

It's not bad, but the stronger builds are all staffker, and the contest is not close.

[haughty star]

I think you just hate aiming

[shrewd comet]

well, with all the back and forth regarding gunkers, i'm just gonna skip on playing it lol

[azure parcel]

Every class has that one build where if you see a pug teammate playing it, 9/10 times it's gonna be ass to deal with

[sour nest]

It does not surprise me that psyker players wake up and choose violence

[nocturne dust]

True but irrelevant.

[echo root]

Hard to compete with infinite ammo and venting shriek soul blaze

[sour nest]

Why not just try it for yourself lol

[late yew]

but it is relevant

[sour nest]

Form your own opinion

[nocturne dust]

Yes.

[late yew]

because gunker becomes much better with good aim

[shrewd comet]

besides having a gun, i wouldnt even know how to build one

[azure parcel]

Stealth Vet, Loner Zealot, Gunker, Shieldgryn.. if you see a pub with it, your face just goes automatically

[radiant frigate]

i recommend it actually

[nocturne dust]

It's not because my hate for aiming doesn't change anything, I can still aim.

I acknowledge the power of guns... on vet.

[late yew]

X

[nocturne dust]

[sour nest]

Search "gun psyker" or "gunker" in this channel you'll find some

[late yew]

about half of all ogryns are shieldgruns though

[radiant frigate]

i like to think of it as melee main weapon, assail main ranged weapon, and actual ranged weapon for specialized purposes

[shrewd comet]

mines a karsolas and kickback lol

[radiant frigate]

like anti reaper/boss

[late yew]

Really easy, just hav e to take assial, DD, Scrier, and that talent that increases warp damage on non-warp damage and vice versa

[azure parcel]

Eh 80% are pickaxe users now, and rightfully so. The shieldgryns you run into suck more often than not

Give shield a bad name

[late yew]

Most ogryns suck

[haughty star]

Literally mostly dead is against it. Gunker is really strong and fun. I personally use shriek gunker but scriers is usually the main pick, I just cba to manage peril and shriek is just too strong to not run sometimes

[radiant frigate]

most ogryns are ogryns

[late yew]

The moment i see ogryn player i always assume it is a literal ogryn irl

and most of the times they are

just about as much thoughts

[sour nest]

Cause they are.

[late yew]

for me ogryns too boring to play as well

too slow

[nocturne dust]

I am the voice for those who do not voice themselves

[azure parcel]

I love Ogryn, but it hurts my soul to see fellow pals spam light attacks on shield in auric

[nocturne dust]

Fun is entirely subjective and I make no remark about Gunker's 'Fun' other than I find it not so at all.

[austere warren]

Just play it out if you want to run around as some kind of a space magic person who focuses on guns and all that. You'll be fine. It's effective.

Discord naysayerism should never be the thing stopping you from trying something oit.

[nocturne dust]

Well, I find it more fun than vet I suppose

[haughty star]

Vet is dogshit for fun imo

My 2nd least favorite class right behind zealot

[late yew]

bruh

[nocturne dust]

Wait you like Ogryn?

[dusk void]

Zealot is fun, now that I have brought myself full mastery on the Bolter

[quartz barn]

Going for vet penances atm

Why are all penances and keystones counterproductive...

[sour nest]

Bolter rn is carrying like 50% of the playerbase it's so fucking boring

[haughty star]

Yeah. Just the feeling of being 10ft tall and bullying everything around and squaring up to bosses or deleting crushers and bosses with a machine gun the size of a subcompaxt car in literal seconds is cool to me

[nocturne dust]

Fair, but their combos need work

[quartz barn]

Charge heavy

The emphasis on movement is nice however, with oggy being a lot slower

[nocturne dust]

Oggy should've been fast

[quartz barn]

But hopefully they fix the vaulting

No reason to get stuck on small railings

[nocturne dust]

oh hey, my weapons are no longer max

[potent echo]

Scammed

[quartz barn]

Ill need to go back to oggy to max out masteries at one point

Most are low because i only ran shield with gl or machinegun

[modest perch]

Ogryn should definitely have a higher base speed

Should just be faster in general

Or enemies should be slower idk but something feels very off about being unable to outrun anything except maulers

[exotic crane]

that's the whole point, you don't need to run

[potent echo]

You can outrun them if you have stamina

And they have the thickest stamina

But they have no move tech

Too dum for that

[haughty star]

The fact that they just speed up when you're about to escape them kinda pisses me off lol

Its not a good feeling but you get used to it.

[azure parcel]

Why would you try to outrun Maulers tho

Just kill them

[quartz barn]

Ogryns do have movement tech

You can always barrel / mutielaunch

[haughty star]

Or just charge

[late sapphire]

Ogryns had to be nerfed they're kinda unrealistic

[haughty star]

https://tenor.com/view/playing-ball-in-strike-target-professional-gif-15380386

[azure parcel]

I've never had to turn around and run from anything on Ogryn

Not even with Knife on Glugger vs crusher packs

[late sapphire]

In universe an ogryn with average iq (i.e. the ogryns played by us) would be about as powerful as a space marine i think

So in game they have to be slower and stuff

[haughty star]

Trappers are literally the only thing that scares me

[quartz barn]

Well they are failed space marines after all

[haughty star]

Huge hype but glad I didn't buy

[exotic crane]

I'm pretty sure that only counts for physical strength.
Marines know actual tactics and are very quick

[modest perch]

I don’t

[late sapphire]

Yeah what makes marines scary isn't that they are just strong they are super well trained

[haughty star]

I'm not a Warhammer nerd tho so sm2 woulda been a bad buy tbh

[late sapphire]

But ogryns are an OoM stronger again

[modest perch]

Charge can’t catch up to a netter in a straight line

[quartz barn]

Tyrannids have no mind for tactics

[late sapphire]

Intelligent, trained ogryns would be really scary

[modest perch]

Also I only know I can outrun maulers cus I can chase em down

[exotic crane]

Why do you need to catch up to a netter, just blast or rock him

[haughty star]

I don't think this is real lol

[upper galleon]

Their friendly nature would eventually cause them to rebel at the poor treatment in the imperium which would be a no no

[modest perch]

https://tenor.com/view/the-bobs-burgers-the-principle-principle-bob-gif-14334862

[haughty star]

And also yeah why run after em just blast em

[late sapphire]

I'm not sure they would rebel

Maybe if they are almost but below average iq

Rebelling is one of the dumbest things you can do

[upper galleon]

They’d be loyal to the emperor but when they find out not everyone is getting rations and people are starving

Smart(er) ogryns would be good

But the imperium doesn’t want that

[modest perch]

You all act as if increasing their intellect will not make them less friendly

[sour nest]

I mean the Imperium wouldn't do it either way right? Isn't the whole point of 40k the 10 thousand year long stagnation of technology, insane bureaucracy and the fall into the cult of the emporer and the "immutable human form"?
All these outliers like Ogryns are just barely tolerated and I doubt they'd engineer new ones

[upper galleon]

I do not think it would change their nature

[upper galleon]

Ogryns are a special case even compared to other abhumans

[late yew]

Also space marines are literally engineered mutants

[upper galleon]

They are purposefully bred and the females guarded in secret locations to give the imperium more ogryns

For war, farming, industry

[sour nest]

But the emperor did that so it's cool

[late yew]

ah, so this is why we can't hav e female ogryns in DT

[modest perch]

Tbh I hate current ogryn lore

[late yew]

Emperor also built webway gate to get that sweet eldussy

[modest perch]

It would make so much more sense as a random mutation

[late yew]

and yet when i do it, i get branded as heretic

[modest perch]

Like whatever Andre the giant had

[upper galleon]

Besides GW bending lore into a better shape by kind of normalizing how ogryns think and behave, ogryns are purposefully kept dumb by the imperium

[sour nest]

Current ogryn lore is just broodmother skaven lore from fantasy without the roofies

It's ass

[modest perch]

Ty

[haughty star]

From what i understand of the lore, the ogryn themselves are incredibly protective of their females

Like they don't even let other ogryns see them

[modest perch]

Psyker chat using their vile sorcery to plant intrusive thought of ogryn reproduction in my head

https://tenor.com/view/the-voices-meme-cat-gif-23917781

[nocturne dust]

https://tenor.com/view/ogryn-party-gif-27273801

[tacit hill]

they fixed it !

[late yew]

is this from Okoii video

[exotic crane]

Ogrynussy

[nocturne dust]

🤷‍♂️

[modest perch]

[nocturne dust]

Source: I dunno

[late yew]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iA_fuzg6KRw

[clear heath]

brain rupture lore

explains why enemy ogryns tank multiple hits of it

[pliant tendon]

that is human propaganda, there are no women and ogryn are manufactured in imperial labs, then brainwashed and trained for warfare

also don't quote me on that, wouldn't want the secret to get out

[late sapphire]

Apparently this 'girly man' can do it too, but we're not allowed... siblings we truly are the most oppressed minority

[jaunty current]

have you tried dreaming us as less oppressed yet?

[late yew]

may be it is his kink

[jaunty current]

well we should shame it i dont appreciate being oppressed

hes ruining it for the rest of us

[zinc phoenix]

this upcoming event sounds ass

"what if even more boom zombie"

nah

[nocturne dust]

but frame

[prime elk]

the rewards look pretty good

i need that diamantine

[nocturne dust]

eh

eeeeeeeehhhhhhhhhhhhh

imagine needing diamantine

https://tenor.com/view/donovan-rich-gif-25582183

[prime elk]

https://tenor.com/view/eat-the-rich-amphibia-hop-pop-gif-26556600

[late sapphire]

what if 90% of the psyker kit was invalidated

Think abt it

Then again it might be a good opportunity to blow up some zealots

[nocturne dust]

https://tenor.com/view/wizard-cat-cat-wizard-magic-cat-cat-gun-wizard-cat-gun-gif-148393908921163254

[nocturne dust]

https://tenor.com/view/madagscar-penguins-kaboom-gif-9833865

It's not invalid

It makes the kit better

[late sapphire]

hate ai gifs

will piss on the gpu that made this

expect news.

[inland ice]

frick ai

[nocturne dust]

https://tenor.com/view/noted-note-writing-nod-nodding-gif-11670127245014993946

Please stand by.

A termination unit will be sent to your address soon.

[summer prairie]

Havoc sounds better at least

[nocturne dust]

oh look

higher difficulty

[errant pawn]

Hey anyone got any regular places they go to find new builds? I’m feeling like my build is stale but cant seem to craft one I play more effectively… looking just to try a variety out

Well, thats a partial lie, the other builds I have are “effective” but just not consistent? Like I just find that its hard to cover clutch scenarios on aurics when using different builds, or there is a weakness to x y or z that shows up and wrecks my shit… maybe its just user error lol

[nocturne dust]

I mean there are definitely builds in which it is easier to clutch with

If you're trying to go from one of those stronger builds to a weaker build it can be tough

[late sapphire]

As long as you keep calm and position yourself well (read: run away quick) you should be able to clutch with almost any build

[errant pawn]

Honestly I have no idea where to look for builds.. so I’ve just kind of been making it up as I go along. Since the talent tree changed though I’ve been finding it a little harder to adjust. Then again I I’m only just coming back in the last month after like an eight month break

[nocturne dust]

until you run out of room to run 😭

[errant pawn]

True enough!

[late sapphire]

'out of room to run' is a conspiracy theory made up by big 'stand and fight'

[errant pawn]

Doesn’t that kind of keep you tied to high mobility weapons like the duelling swords or knife?

I’ve been trying to make the illisi work anticipating a mark five Nerf but it doesn’t measure up very well

[nocturne dust]

The psyker getting trapped in a corner by two bosses:

https://tenor.com/view/ultrasad-gif-23310565

[errant pawn]

Ooh been there lol

[nocturne dust]

not really

I mean, psyker does want high mobility, but I can run away even with a staff.

Just use dodges

[errant pawn]

Guess we will have to get more creative

[late sapphire]

knife or ds definitely makes it easier

[errant pawn]

https://tenor.com/view/parkour-theoffice-freerunning-gif-5128248

Yeah I find that you get hit in the back with other weapons a lot. Two slaps is too much

[analog agate]

Havoc mode

[late sapphire]

just right click

[ripe obsidian]

Cry havoc and let slip the dogs of war

[nocturne dust]

I am whelmed.

[late sapphire]

Recently i have felt clutches are easier than normal gameplay

Massively reduced spawns and only slightly decreased player capability in total

So havoc will be a welcome change i think

[eternal widget]

https://youtu.be/GKnAWcWnJJc?si=wHdqYl2BIYTiTchT

[analog agate]

Tougher means tougher. I am satisfied

[paper loom]

anyone manage to make the DB shotgun work?

i dont get the point of it

it does less dmg than a revolver expect at 10$ of the range

%

[bleak maple]

I've been able to get it to work with zealots and veterans but for gunkers I got no clue

It's more of a hoard killer imo

[paper loom]

i think maybe it doesnt work with psyker

how do you get it to kill more than one target?

[bleak maple]

Blessings

[paper loom]

ive tried every blessing and it kills like 2 or 3 chaf at most

[bleak maple]

I believe its scatter shot off the top of my head

[paper loom]

im using that

[bleak maple]

Can't remember the other perk gimme a sec

[prime elk]

Scattershot and manstopper

At least on vet

Idk how you’d make DB work on psyker

[bleak maple]

Yuh it was manstopper

[paper loom]

got a perfect rolled one

have no idea why mine is shit then

[prime elk]

I just wouldn’t use it on psyker

[bleak maple]

Idk how gunker works, best off asking someone with the indepth knowledge as they might know how to get it working

[zinc phoenix]

You use it to quell while in SG on a primarily melee psyker build

[prime elk]

Still better off using other guns

[zinc phoenix]

Blast a horde with it using tranquility on slaughter at head height and you completely erase peril which allows more stabbing

Warp splitting should also give it gigacleave

Don’t ADS you want to shoot single barrel always although if you’re against a crusher you can knock em down with a double barrel

It’s not the most potent way to play psyker but it IS very fun so I’d recommend trying it a few times

Definitely go DS4 optimized for stabbin crusher tho, you will need it

[bleak maple]

Does using both shots actually affect a hoard that much or is it too much overkill?

[zinc phoenix]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/build-editor?id=9d6b1337-1a23-40f6-a723-e0c45ed09443 this is what I run with double barrel

[zinc phoenix]

It’s more to take advantage of the “on your next attack” stuff

[paper loom]

it doesnt seem to do anything

[bleak maple]

Ah so still play like a vet with it

[paper loom]

can you explain about that mate? what should I be using with it?

[zinc phoenix]

Oh and it’s important to weave in assail while doing stuff so you can boost your damage thru MM

[bleak maple]

Ik it's meant to have increased stagger

[zinc phoenix]

You quell from critting with DB. The blessing on DB gives you more crit on your second attack. So you blast the horde with one barrel, then you blast it with the other and it’s a second attack therefore more crit

[paper loom]

i think if there was a boost to reload speed like zealot it woul dbe good but psyker its just pointless

[zinc phoenix]

The quelling gives you toughness with quietude

So it’s a nice feedback loop

[paper loom]

so use assail then db

[zinc phoenix]

Or use DB while in scrier gaze

[bleak maple]

Shame the staff primary attacks passives don't do much else

[zinc phoenix]

Because if you use DB to quell in gaze you’ll extend the duration without needing to manual quell

[paper loom]

i need to relook at the nodes lol is there one that quels on crit?

[bleak maple]

There is

Top right iirc

[prime elk]

Yeah one of the first ones

This sounds like a lot of work for a mediocre reward ngl

[paper loom]

unless im brain dmged i cant see it only crit replentish toughness

[zinc phoenix]

Yes, it’s tranquility thru slaughter at the bottom

If you check the build I linked you you’ll see it

Basically DB is a giant toughness generator

[prime elk]

Oh quell on crit. Thought it was toughness on crit

[paper loom]

ah yea i see theres toughness on crit too

[zinc phoenix]

That’s mettle

[prime elk]

Yeah that’s the one I was thinking of

[paper loom]

is combat shotgun beter then?

[zinc phoenix]

But it’s part of how DB can fill your entire toughness bar in one shot 😂

[zinc phoenix]

Might could be, anything that can cleave a lot and crit a lot is nice with this build

[prime elk]

I just use recon las on gunker

[paper loom]

ok makes sense now its not rly for the dmg only for the toughness

[bleak maple]

When orgyn get db

[prime elk]

Though that’s less creative I guess

[paper loom]

use heavy las pistol

[prime elk]

I prefer recon for insane crit rate and more ammo

Las pistol is good too though

[haughty star]

Db is the kickback for everyone else lmao

[haughty star]

Don't you'll drag in the number crunches

But yeah I love how recon lights everything up , fills my toughness, and makes me immortal while I shoot it lmao

[steel flame]

boy i love how silly the chainaxe is

https://medal.tv/games/warhammer-40000-darktide/clips/j1zRia00M3M8JzsV3?invite=cr-MSxiRHYsMjUyNjQ3MjMwLA

[hazy moss]

ogryn got the one b rn

[prime elk]

Yeah and being able to skate around the map. So nice lol

[haughty star]

I don't like it on almost any other chars tho. Vet is ok with it but i prefer high damage rather than dps on my vet and I tried it on zealot and got my ass whooped lol

[prime elk]

It’s very good on vet, but yeah wouldn’t take it on zealot

[radiant frigate]

i see that mythic dungeons from wow have made their way into darktide

[hollow jolt]

except for pre-mades only

[radiant frigate]

i am not sure it is a system worth copying but to each their own

[prime elk]

I hate this

[hollow jolt]

I mean you'll just queue for Auric like normal

so it basically changes nothing

maybe the mats reward will be huge?

idk doesn't seem worth dealing with

[austere warren]

I could care less. If the challenge is engaging enough and I want to go through it, I'll do it. Otherwise, kind of whatever but better than absolutely nothing.

[prime elk]

I’d prob play it just to suffer

[hollow jolt]

its mostly dealing with making a pre-made

I could just queue for maelstrom instead

[austere warren]

It'll be interesting if that shit is hard enough to completely challenge and break the egos of the most unshowered sweats that could never understand just how carried they were with safe builds.

[clear heath]

just have friends

[hollow jolt]

that still play Darktide?

yeah that's a big ask lol

[austere warren]

Yeh p. much

[nocturne dust]

https://tenor.com/view/no-nope-no-way-noo-absolutely-not-gif-20244171

[clear heath]

force your friends to play darktide

[hollow jolt]

even my friend that has 800 hours in Darktide saw the update and went "dm me when they add something"

[austere warren]

If I'm queuing for a ballbusting difficulty in co-op, I'm in mic trying to at least get callouts or something.

It's a mystery that some dudes cannot get that through their skulls.

[hollow jolt]

at the very least, a difficulty where I don't spend like 50% of my time out of coherency getting mats will be interesting

[clear heath]

I hope the difficulty actually lives up to the idea of needing a premade to do

[austere warren]

Or just using pings, anything. Aurics is killing me lately with some of lax communication in general. Can still get through most of it but I've been in clutch work for like...four separate missions on my psyker and it's a slog sometimes with how much is even happening.

[hollow jolt]

"brutal momentum blessing disabled"

[radiant frigate]

it's sounding a lot like weaves!!

[austere warren]

[radiant frigate]

which only makes sense since we just got the weave gearing system

[austere warren]

Fuck it, corruption bullets for all specialists and elites.

[hollow jolt]

it'll probably be something closer to like "-50% toughness regen"

[radiant frigate]

fuck it, toughness disabled

all damage is health damage

[hollow jolt]

power sword users on suicide watch

[austere warren]

https://tenor.com/view/look-at-you-shades-down-stare-looking-gif-16038093

[radiant frigate]

it's bad enough that exploding flamers have like a barrel damage profile

so they just do straight health damage

[austere warren]

See i was talking so much shit.

Then I had to think of playing without toughness.

[nocturne dust]

gunners literally stunning you the moment they exist:

[austere warren]

It's funny but also hell when it happens.

[nocturne dust]

also

[radiant frigate]

one singular scab bruiser bashing your head in

[nocturne dust]

bubble meta?

[clear heath]

health set to 1, toughness only

[radiant frigate]

bubble finally good??

[austere warren]

"I can't move" huh...oh? OH they're shooting me. Hmmm.

Mhm.

[hollow jolt]

you would just die

a shotgunner is a death sentence UwU

[radiant frigate]

playing without toughness (but voc still gives 50 gold toughness) (but 50 toughness is all you have)

voc bubble relic meta

[hollow jolt]

to be fair, in a competent team, that's practically unkillable

[austere warren]

Oh no, I learned last week
I've never been bullied so succinctly.

Bounced between three of them

It was literally 1.2.3 dead.

[clear heath]

new condition, dodging disabled

[austere warren]

Toughness fully broken, ass completely ou--

[clear heath]

sprinting disabled

[austere warren]

https://tenor.com/view/crying-spider-man-dismayed-frustrated-gif-14284342

I've been in the combat blade cult this whole time, what did I do to you?

[clear heath]

at least you get to walk faster

[radiant frigate]

atoma's most coordinated shotgunner squad

[austere warren]

It was fucked up lmao

[clear heath]

new condition, friendly fire

[hollow jolt]

shotgunner patrols are funny

saw a Zealot got instantly demolished in 1 salbo

[austere warren]

Literally words were, verbatim, "Oh, okay then, that's it." 😑

Calm as hell

[nocturne dust]

https://tenor.com/view/no-no-no-wait-wait-wait-gif-23893070

[austere warren]

https://tenor.com/view/sickos-sicko-haha-yes-creeper-gif-25057805

[radiant frigate]

suspiciously voidstrike-shaped hole in the ogryn's shoulder:

[steep estuary]

lmfao

[nocturne dust]

My allies wondering why they have 15 stacks of soulblaze:

https://tenor.com/view/joe-biden-biden-presidential-debate-huh-confused-gif-4375529952616887689

[radiant frigate]

your teammates wondering why you're shrieking in their ear (and why their organs are starting to liquefy)

[nocturne dust]

Wildfire friendly fire meta

[radiant frigate]

also, all friendly fire does corruption damage

[austere warren]

It's me, the psyker traitor.

Yall were right, lmao

Fuckin goofballs.

[radiant frigate]

also, melee friendly fire

[austere warren]

Voidstrike to the back of buddy's head on revive.

[radiant frigate]

watch your swings :)

[austere warren]

https://tenor.com/view/turn-it-up-turn-up-cool-gif-15734559

Is it time for vt1 beta friendly fire?

[nocturne dust]

https://tenor.com/view/toon-link-wind-waker-zelda-puppet-buddy-little-buddy-gif-555488349556038073

[austere warren]

The burden of bardin?

[radiant frigate]

kneecap demolisher

[austere warren]

The demolisher would get kneecapped more like

People just stabbing bardins because they couldn't parse him out during the stress of getting rushed in vt 🤣

[iron star]

can som1 send me a talent tree build for psycher ( electric staff) and (flame staff)

[nocturne dust]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9d5f5cb5-afee-4f51-9393-b8429e8c6765/

Flame Staff guide

[nocturne dust]

EK talent tree (yes it's super similar to Inferno. it's also similar to Trauma/Voidblast's build). BB/KF is swappable.

[iron star]

tysm!

[nocturne dust]

[iron star]

so the electric? its same as this?

[nocturne dust]

The electric is the image above

[iron star]

OH S XD

and flame?

[nocturne dust]

In the link I posted.

[iron star]

cause the link doesnt show me

for some reason show me a gray link

[nocturne dust]

Grey link?

[iron star]

ok now its load ye before couldnt load properly and show me gray only page

XD

[analog agate]

You pretty much can do inferno/blast/electro all as same build. And they would really good builds

[nocturne dust]

I mean there are some minor differences if you want to squeeze out maximum power for inferno, but yeah

[haughty star]

This is another way you can build for ek if you prefer smite. I find smite with the vent is a excellent combo for EK so you can add some mass hording to help EK out in the craziest moments since ek is dogshit for hordes after a certain level of thickness

Also cdr aura can be swapped out i just find eeking out that little bit of extra elite damage is nice on ek

[nocturne dust]

Nice icon, lol.

[haughty star]

That's a discord bubble

[nocturne dust]

Why is your discord bubble there

[strong gulch]

Mobile?

[haughty star]

Because I'm hanging with the bois at work cuz I'm bored

[nocturne dust]

[haughty star]

Playing OSRS

[nocturne dust]

Eeeeeeehhhhhh, the elite damage doesn't let you meet any BPs iirc

[haughty star]

Idk having ran both it just feels alot stronger with those extra 2 stacks and the 10 percent elite node. But like I said can easily be swapped for cdr at no point tax

[nocturne dust]

It's 7.5%

[clear heath]

it might get a breakpoint sometimes

ek staff is really close to some breakpoints, sometimes getting screwed by rng or lack of warp charges

rng breakpoints is so dumb

[haughty star]

I just find myself clinging to the extra damage from charges more than spamming shout on ek. Feels so dogshit without the charges juicing it up a little

[strong gulch]

yes 😩

[nocturne dust]

I mean, yes, I suppose if you combine it with warp charges it might reach some BPs, but the only one I can think of is one of the gunners

[clear heath]

yeah i was actually thinking gunners too

[nocturne dust]

well, and scab ragers/reapers, but you reach those with perfect timing and don't need elite aura

[haughty star]

Eh anything to help ek get more damage is my policy

[nocturne dust]

If only it was +10% elite/special/boss 😔

[haughty star]

I feel like they could dial that thing up about 10 or 15 percent and it wouldn't hurt the balance of the staves too much

[clear heath]

if it affected bosses, it would be enough for me to think about giving up cdr

still not sure if i would

probably not

a gunner breakpoint that only sometimes works is not enough for me to drop cdr

[haughty star]

I don't find the cdr very helpful on a stave that basically needs the warp charges to be good personally

[nocturne dust]

But the warp charges are solely for shriek tho?

[clear heath]

i press shriek pretty much exactly when it's available so more cdr is better for me

[nocturne dust]

I know your build is stacking peril gen reduction, but that's not needed for the staff to be good.

[quartz barn]

even my vet doesnt want to do the vet penances

boi wants to leave the frame

[haughty star]

Neither is wildfire but hey everyone has preferences amirite

[nocturne dust]

I never said wildfire was a requirement

[haughty star]

I never said peril gen was a requirement

[strong gulch]

gross

[quartz barn]

🫃

[nocturne dust]

No, but you did say the warp charges are needed

are you saying it's the base damage you need?

[haughty star]

I think it's dogshit when you don't have the damage from the charges rolling personally

[nocturne dust]

But... but it doesn't change BPs

well, except that one gunner

[clear heath]

dreg gunners are evil and i despise them

[nocturne dust]

Rude

[haughty star]

I feel like saying it doesn't change bps is a fallacy

[nocturne dust]

They're only trying to kill you

[clear heath]

damn really? i should be kinder to them then

[haughty star]

You're psyker literally everything in front of you is either on fire or damaged by anything else you're shitting out of your brain

[nocturne dust]

Sure, and if they're all on fire BPs hardly matter

[haughty star]

And ek is hilariously underpowered as is. More damage more betterer this ain't vet bucko

[nocturne dust]

but they'll die regar-

You serious?

EK is the strongest staff rn.

[haughty star]

Says who?

[nocturne dust]

Says me.

[haughty star]

Oh

[nocturne dust]

[haughty star]

Glad we got that cleared up

[nocturne dust]

Look mahn, you don't have room to talk. I actually back my sayings up with numbers, tests, and data.

[haughty star]

I'm not saying anything is the best or trying to act like I define the meta lol

[late sapphire]

Hate kinetic flayer

[nocturne dust]

You just defined EK as underpowered.

[prime elk]

With M1 build or non cheese?

[late sapphire]

Can't even push bursters with the staff rmb with it

Why even live

[radiant frigate]

saying surge is underpowered is.. xd

[nocturne dust]

m2.

m1 is okay.

[clear heath]

I like flayer on trauma the most

[nocturne dust]

It needs quell cancelling before it goes broken imo.

[prime elk]

It’s fucking gross

[nocturne dust]

It's dumb, and boring, sure.

[prime elk]

Non cheese EK is great

[late sapphire]

on trauma i go to get souldrinker so i am point poor 😭

[prime elk]

Idk if it’s the strongest though

Kinda hard to measure strength when each staff has a different purpose

[haughty star]

Its just for outright damage it doesn't have a great strong feel lol

It gets most of its strength from pc and literally anything does that

[late sapphire]

voidstrike and trauma also kinda suck normally

all 3 staves are like 1000 damage on a fully charged rmb

[clear heath]

i'm tempted to say inferno is a bit stronger than rmb ek staff

[nocturne dust]

Well, we're not judging staves in a vacuum without the talent tree, lol.

[late sapphire]

voidstrike gets the giga crits, trauma gets aoe knockdown and flame crits, surge shoots faster and is more flexible in use

'ek' 😢

[haughty star]

Ek just better in scattered densities imo

[late sapphire]

fuck yall

surge staff

[haughty star]

Ek kinda has a ring to it

[late sapphire]

elektrokinetika kalashnikova

[nocturne dust]

Inferno's range holds it back. Well, that and the fact EK can just eat and stun crushers.

and inferno's cast time I guess.

[haughty star]

Yeah and void can basically two shot them and literally everything behind them lol

[nocturne dust]

Voidstrike's issue is its charge time.

[haughty star]

Its really hard to compare staves and their power levels as defined as better or worse

[nocturne dust]

I mean, eh.

[late sapphire]

purgatus sucks if your team is actually competent

[nocturne dust]

That's just cop out logic.

[nocturne dust]

Yes.

[haughty star]

Ek is probably the easiest to use for nubs?

[clear heath]

probably

[haughty star]

That would be a fair statement

[clear heath]

requires absolutely no skill

[nocturne dust]

Inferno is easiest imo

[haughty star]

But comparing them as hardline better or worse as far as strength goes is just lunacy

Inferno takes alot of positioning skill to do well with

[nocturne dust]

EE

🤷‍♂️

[haughty star]

Surge is just rmbrmbrmbfrmbrmbrmbf

[nocturne dust]

Inferno is just rmb spam too tho

[haughty star]

Nah there's some lmb action in there

[nocturne dust]

only use lmb for ragers, that's not much

[prime elk]

Yah don’t even need to aim

[iron star]

tysm

[prime elk]

Just vaguely point in the direction of the enemy

Whether it’s hordes or elites

[nocturne dust]

I think with EK it's more complex because it doesn't work unless you know what to target and how to shriek

[prime elk]

Or bosses

[nocturne dust]

Inferno needs no shriek

[haughty star]

I would say out of all voidstrike has the most potential for damage but is the most challenging because of positioning

[clear heath]

you don't really need to aim either of them. None of the skill involved with them is about dealing damage with them

inferno at least wants you to be closer to the targets though

[nocturne dust]

I mean technically Inferno is the one with infinite damage potential

well, and trauma

[prime elk]

Inferno has pretty decent range

[late sapphire]

i have been playing around with surge sg

it works ok

[prime elk]

Given that it’s a flamethrower

[clear heath]

yeah it's not exactly short

[haughty star]

Inferno is just fucking boring

[nocturne dust]

Yes, but I find that many times easier than EK's spastic madness

[haughty star]

And yeah sucks ass if you have a good team

[nocturne dust]

At least, I would think it so for noobs

[haughty star]

Close 2nd is surge tho.

[late yew]

When Rolling steel gets removed

[haughty star]

I would say surge is much easier for noobs then inferno

[prime elk]

Surge actually requires some thinking when there’s a massive horde surrounding you

[late yew]

https://tenor.com/view/money-crying-woody-harrelson-wiping-tears-with-money-gif-6945518

literally

[prime elk]

Inferno does not

[haughty star]

There's almost no danger whatsoever playing surge. Purgs kills are not instantaneous nor very long range in comparison

[clear heath]

I think surge is far easier if we think about what you'd need to do to always do a good amount of damage.
Inferno wants you to go somewhere that has a big amount of targets.
EK wants to have 1-2 enemies in range. This requirement is almost always met

[prime elk]

Yeah but when there’s 20 you have to start thinking

[clear heath]

You don't have to go somewhere to hit more enemies
You always hit the max amount of enemies you can with ek

[prime elk]

Inferno is just brain off the entire time

[haughty star]

You don't have to do any positioning with surge other than don't get hit

[late yew]

i use purg with BB

[haughty star]

Christ you don't even have to fear crushers cuz it just stuns them

[late yew]

with heavy focus on BB

by using double wall

[nocturne dust]

EK specifically wants specials and elites though, whereas Inferno you can just run at the nearest wall of enemies

[nocturne dust]

🤮

[haughty star]

Ek stuns literally all specials and elites and kills most of them quickly

[nocturne dust]

Inferno just kills them.

[haughty star]

Inferno does not kill most elites quickly lol

[nocturne dust]

and stuns all specials.

[prime elk]

It’ll kill most of them quite quickly still

[nocturne dust]

Yeah it does?

[clear heath]

it does kill most of them quickly

[nocturne dust]

Only elites that don't die quickly enough are crushers 😔

[haughty star]

Usually not quick enough to prevent damage to yourself

[prime elk]

Nah

[haughty star]

Surge just stunlocks them

[clear heath]

clearly "most" = crusher

[haughty star]

Its literally dummy easy

[prime elk]

Two at a time

[nocturne dust]

I mean, you're going to have to be dodging with both EK and purg, EK won't eat the horde quick enough

[late sapphire]

The issue with purg is that all of the meaty elites will die about 18m away from you if there is even one (competent) plasma vet or voidstrike psyker in your team

[haughty star]

Literally two swipes with a illisi on ek solves this problem

[clear heath]

simply run towards the enemies in the next room

[late sapphire]

You have to spend a lot of time running towards more enemies

[nocturne dust]

I can't wait for Havoc to give us -100% damage and we're forced to play pacifist

[analog agate]

Well… that’s a take

[nocturne dust]

Woah there, melee is a complex topic for noobs 😰

[nocturne dust]

Indeed it is.

[haughty star]

Not with illisi it's not

[analog agate]

Don’t disagree it is strong though

[haughty star]

[nocturne dust]

You act like Illisi is strong?

[analog agate]

Though with flurry bugged I don’t see how you can justify it being the best

[haughty star]

For all eks problems it's Hella strong

Its literally like it's perfect partner

[clear heath]

is it still bugged? I took a break from using it

[hollow jolt]

give the Illnois Power Cycler UwU

[nocturne dust]

Not really, the damage output of Illisi isn't that good, it's actually quite average.

[strong gulch]

I hope ER won't be nerfed to like -15% peril gen with the same reduction to toughness gen.

[analog agate]

Unless you do a full charge it makes your cast slower

[nocturne dust]

lawd plz no

[clear heath]

it has been like what, 3 hotfixes now?

fatshark why

[nocturne dust]

ER shouldn't be nerfed

[analog agate]

Yeah. I have been bugging Strawhat about it every hotfix haha

[haughty star]

Yeah not everything comes down to numbers in this game lol. It's one of the best melee to use for trash cleanup on psyker if not the best

[nocturne dust]

(or a huge bunch of things should be)

[clear heath]

I don't think ER needs a nerf either

[haughty star]

Broken Bromentum Rashad is a close fight with it tho

[prime elk]

laughs in Rashad

[nocturne dust]

Sure, but meleeker is a mess

[haughty star]

Yeah and

[nocturne dust]

And illisi isn't as good as you think it is.

Especially in the hands of a noob

[haughty star]

Its like one of the best trash cleanup weapons for psyker lol you literally just agreed with me

[nocturne dust]

also, if this is a staffker build, which it kinda has to be for the EK argument, no way illisi is performing that well

[nocturne dust]

best on psyker, yes. That doesn't make it good.

[prime elk]

Nah Rashad still better lol

[haughty star]

Psyker is what were talking about here lol now you're just arguing just to argue

[nocturne dust]

No?

[young summit]

The vibes say Illisi is stronger (I have absolutely no data)

(This is not a serious argument)

[nocturne dust]

Something can still be bad/dangerous regardless of it being the best option.

If you removed every gun but autoshredder, autoshredder would still be crap.

Like, just because it's the best option does not mean Illisi is safe.

It's a heck of a lot more dangerous to use Illisi than inferno.

[haughty star]

Illisi not being safe or easy is a super hot take lol

[late yew]

Does increase in cleave with peril affect assail?

[nocturne dust]

than Inferno?

[strong gulch]

yes

[nocturne dust]

yes

[haughty star]

We were talking about using it with EK LMFAO

My god dude look at yourself you literally just argue to argue ong

[nocturne dust]

Yes

and comparing it

to Inferno

my guy

[haughty star]

No lol

[nocturne dust]

[nocturne dust]

Weird, I seem to have a memory that works.

[haughty star]

The statement you were contesting is my original statement that all of eks problems you listed as making hard are literally solved by running something good at trash cleanup like illisi

[nocturne dust]

No, the statement I'm contesting is that EK is easier than Inferno

[haughty star]

Lmao I'm done man you wild

[nocturne dust]

let's not get it twisted just because you think otherwise

[haughty star]

Argue with yoself bro lol you on something I swear

[nocturne dust]

https://tenor.com/view/sips-tea-stephen-a-smith-gif-13112895

Project all you like.

[young summit]

Loner vs. Savant in here

[haughty star]

SIGMA MALE

[clear heath]

from my experience, giving my friends EK builds to run with has helped their damage far more than inferno. It is just far easier to optimize damage

[nocturne dust]

I mean, yes

[clear heath]

but maybe it's because if they ran inferno, i'd sprint ahead and steal the kills before they could do anything

[nocturne dust]

EK wants highly specific stuff, inferno just works

[young summit]

Inferno is easier to use for utility as well

[nocturne dust]

and inferno can't do well when other players are not trash

[nocturne dust]

Stop not being trash, smh my head

[haughty star]

Ek literally just needs to be aimed at specials and elites and yell every ~30. Most of the staves are pretty braindead but having tried all of them fairly extensively now surge deffo feels the most braindead and easy

Idk maybe it's cuz all I ran for like ever was surge?

[analog agate]

Inferno is more braindead. Electro is for reject vets who can’t aim well

[haughty star]

Eh inferno needs positioning tho

[nocturne dust]

That's fair. I think Inferno is the most braindead, it's the one everyone complains about for being boring, but you can definitely have an autopilot for any staff.

[young summit]

Purgatus is definitely the most braindead imo

[haughty star]

Surge you just kinda have to be there

[prime elk]

Yeah it’s just run up and attack

Surge requires some thought

Not much

[nocturne dust]

Sir, we're all rejects.

[prime elk]

But some

[nocturne dust]

Butt some.

[haughty star]

I like void the best so far personally

[nocturne dust]

[haughty star]

In the situations it's at home it feels just so much stronger than the other staves

[young summit]

Voidstrike or Voidblast?

[haughty star]

Strike lol

[young summit]

I hate the new names so much

[clear heath]

haven't played voidstrike this patch but i can imagine the new cleave talent

[haughty star]

We all do son

We all do

[nocturne dust]

I used to like Voidstrike the most, the head-hitting noise is so nice, but Voidblast has grown on me.

Like a nurgle disease.

Help

[young summit]

Voidstrike is probably my favorite staff. Never tried Trauma.

Purgatus I only break out for lazy rounds.

[haughty star]

Trauma only works really well on true holy shit moments

But I mean the same can be said about void or inferno

[nocturne dust]

I like it just because it's comfy.

And also the amount of times I have to jump to use it is funny.

https://tenor.com/view/delightful-blope-happy-cat-jumping-gif-26304688

[young summit]

That's what the cool kids call 'tech'

[haughty star]

Bruh

Heavy flamer????

[nocturne dust]

Flashlight

https://tenor.com/view/flashlight-shawn-spencer-james-roday-psych-psych-gifs-gif-10451494

I would be ecstatic if it's a flamer tho

[young summit]

Do Ogryn not have a single light?

[nocturne dust]

no

only rock

[young summit]

That's

Awful

[haughty star]

Or I was thinking just better night vision because they're from literally hell

[nocturne dust]

Sacrifices must be made for rock.

[young summit]

And they don't even have something like a recon las that lights up the whole room

[young summit]

Rock > vision

[prime elk]

Just give ur rock rgb

[young summit]

Bisexual lighting on the rock

[late yew]

"Gunker weak guys"

[late yew]

So it hits 6 targets?

at max?

[young summit]

Who said gun psyker was weak

[late yew]

@nocturne dust

[young summit]

Meme

[nocturne dust]

It's not weak.

It's just not that strong.

Is my take.

[late yew]

bruh

[nocturne dust]

wat

[late yew]

It is pretty easy to do 2x of anyone else's damage with it

like on screenshot above