i don't think the damage can really compete with a good staff build
#psyker-class
orchid ibex
silent panther
Well it's: most basic part + infinite up time on Scriers Gaze because of crack of Bone.
nocturne dust
and what part of that makes Meleeker anywhere close to good?
silent panther
Do you not know what Scriers Gaze does?
silent panther
I think damage is the main point yeah.
nocturne dust
I think damage is the main point yeah.
wind spruce
This is pure clownery, sorry. "As long as you have mobs to chop." So you're talking about a horde. That part of the game where you can basically just close your eyes and spam left click until they're all dead? That's not how we rate the effectiveness of builds.
silent panther
Lol feel free to express your thoughts with words rather than images.
nocturne dust
Look, I'm not trying to insult you or anything but I just feel like using my words to convince you isn't worth my time.
wind spruce
How you do when you're up against ogryns, specials, monstrosities and gun lines is the test. Hordes do not fucking matter.
potent echo
Meleeker is usually assailker with melee horde clear 
It's almost impossible to pick pure melee psyker because everything just synergises
silent panther
Melee is significantly better at taking care of monstrosities than any staff.
wind spruce
Psyker's melee game is not great. It's really that simple. Is it acceptable? Can you make it work? Does it output good damage? Yes. Are you so squishy that you absolutely suck balls in melee compared to other classes? Also yes
nocturne dust
Melee is significantly better at taking care of monstrosities than any staff.
Yes, because dueling sword.
potent echo
You have to go out of your way to do pure melee out of spite
wind spruce
Melee is significantly better at taking care of monstrosities than any staff.
Totally fucking irrelevant. We aren't comparing psyker to psyker.
nocturne dust
Meleeker isn't relevant
potent echo
Until the day we get real unchained psyker meleeker is just assailker cosplay
echo root
Every time I try anything melee psyker like I just feel like I could accomplish more with any hordeclear staff + Deimos / DS4
silent panther
Totally fucking irrelevant. We aren't comparing psyker to psyker.
? I am, that's why I'm having this conversation.
nocturne dust
Just buff KD so it auto-blocks 
potent echo
Also with meleeker you can just take a gun then you immediately have boss damage
Like disgusting boss damage
potent echo
Git gud and play melee psyker
Illisi?
potent echo
Rashad?
echo root
Git gud and play melee psyker
Or just play Purgatus
potent echo
That's crazy
echo root
nocturne dust
Purgatus is the real meleeker
potent echo
520k melee with ds4 how many swings 
wind spruce
That's crazy
One of those zealots is actually really good too. Idk if he was just sleeping that game or what
wind spruce
520k melee with ds4 how many swings <:whatthefuck_heresy:1049724444207239168>
Couple billion 
wind spruce
Atleast you're aware of your failures
buoyant maple
I'm so dummy poopoo my favorite build is uncanny illisi with gun now
Become a slaughterer + executor/bloodthirsty enjoyer today
potent echo
My gameplay has actually degenerated
I run into hordes with Deimos/void and wonder why I'm doing poorly
potent echo
Become a slaughterer + executor/bloodthirsty enjoyer today
Bloodthirsty
slate oasis
I have joined the 1mil club
buoyant maple
Bloodthirsty <:whatthefuck_heresy:1049724444207239168>
It’s quite fun
upper galleon
Melee is significantly better at taking care of monstrosities than any staff.
yea but voidstrike surge can stagger a monstro
potent echo
Perhaps
upper galleon
basically any stuff that boosts melee besides melee only talents works better with staffs, guns and assail
potent echo
I'm 90% sure
upper galleon
i thought they just gave monstro protection
IE it can't be stunlocked
so you'll have a cd/won't be able to do it if they have been interrupted recently
and void is like, on the bottom list of prio
silent panther
I've staggered a bon with strike on the weak spot recently.
potent echo
I have full balled crit a plagryn head no stagger
Even if you can technically it's just not reliable anymore to do
Just melee it
upper galleon
yea
silent panther
yea but voidstrike surge can stagger a monstro
Melee imo is much faster than strike at just out right killing monstrosities, compared to most staves infact. Columnus is still king.
upper galleon
also that
columnus exists
actaully it doesn't
it's vraks now
went from a c to a v, happy for it
the current columnus is the old graia xd
silent panther
I refuse it's still the columnus.
potent echo
Recon 7x2 or 8x2
upper galleon
I refuse it's still the columnus.
sweet manmade horrors
anyways, i just feel it's better to invest in generalist talents that work on everything then talents that only work for your melee
potent echo
The only copium I have is this is part of a huge rework to add new weapons
Psyker needs more melee only talents
silent panther
Going back to the meleeker thing. It's no possible to build for only melee without it being a decent gunker build so idk the point of making the distinction.
potent echo
upper galleon
cause your melee outside of automatic gunker is you boss dps but you can boost it while boosting everything else
upper galleon
Going back to the meleeker thing. It's no possible to build for only melee witho...
imo wouldn't it be better to be a great gunker build with decent melee?
silent panther
I just tried making a 'melee only build' and the difference is two nodes. Doesnt matter either way, I'm bringing DS4 and the columnus.
potent echo
Is Deimos a worse horde clear than ds4
nocturne dust
No? Especially not with slaughterer
nocturne dust
It should still be better
nocturne dust
Mmmm, do you have rampage on your DS4?
potent echo
Even if I do H1 > L2 loop it's just slow
I think Deimos just has more gaps
I'm getting blown up
nocturne dust
Hm, that's not my experience
potent echo
Skill issue me
potent echo
Maybe it's the mobility too
nocturne dust
I dump mobility on both 🤷♂️
potent echo
Yea but ds4 is more agile
nocturne dust
True
nocturne dust
I find deimos to rub my brain the right way more
echo root
I dump mobility on both 🤷♂️
You don't dump warp res on deimos?
silent panther
What's the horde clear combo on the Deimos? I haven't touched it in months since I couldn't figure out a decent one.
nocturne dust
You don't dump warp res on deimos?
oh that's true, I do do that now
azure parcel
levelling my Psyker, is there a way to survive melee other than avoiding it
because it's kinda 
pliant tendon
how do you survive auric maelstrom as psyker? i just get people like zealots who just zip away when the game starts and i never see them again knowing they can't die anyway
meanwhile something touches me slightly and i explode into bloody bits
nocturne dust
Kinetic deflection + get really comfortable with dodging
slate oasis
levelling my Psyker, is there a way to survive melee other than avoiding it
always be pushing, dodging and blocking while killing stuff
pliant tendon
even vet can get pretty tanky
nocturne dust
Psyker doesn't get tanky
pliant tendon
i use kinetic deflection on every single build
nocturne dust
like, if you maximized tankiness with literally everything available in the kit, you would just barely survive a crusher overhead
pliant tendon
and i dodge a lot
nocturne dust
at the cost of a functioning kit
pliant tendon
but auric maelstrom is pretty hard when the team usually just leaves you behind when you're like surrounded by a horde or something and struggling
pliant tendon
dodging and kinetic deflection are great but with all the shit going i just make a mistake sooner or later
nocturne dust
Your best bet is to bring a horde clearer like trauma, purgatus, or your preferred melee weapon
pliant tendon
but yeah holding block in some corner hoping for my team to come and save me is nice
silent panther
levelling my Psyker, is there a way to survive melee other than avoiding it
Dodge, block, pray; assail can be a pretty good tool to stagger enemies.
nocturne dust
but yeah holding block in some corner hoping for my team to come and save me is ...
use Devil's Claw and save yourself
pliant tendon
my most recent strat is to run venting shriek, so i can block until i get high peril and then block some more 🙃
echo root
use Devil's Claw and save yourself <:chadgryn:1161142998214656090>
After leveling devil's claw from 1-19 today I absolutely despise it
broken carbon
After leveling devil's claw from 1-19 today I absolutely despise it
dclaw is very fun
slate oasis
my most recent strat is to run venting shriek, so i can block until i get high p...
what weapon are you using?
pliant tendon
use Devil's Claw and save yourself <:chadgryn:1161142998214656090>
well i'm glad you didn't just suggest dueling sword straight away
echo root
dclaw is very fun
Parry is fun, everything else feels sluggish
nocturne dust
Yeah, the claw sucks at being anything but defensive, but it's ridiculously good at being defensive
pliant tendon
what weapon are you using?
usually deimos mk iv
nocturne dust
well i'm glad you didn't just suggest dueling sword straight away
I could suggest the dueling sword if you like
echo root
My index finger joint is swollen from playing Devil's Claw
pliant tendon
i don't wanna play the game without being able to block gunners anymore...
maybe if i started using a gun too
echo root
i don't wanna play the game without being able to block gunners anymore...
You can just slide
nocturne dust
i don't wanna play the game without being able to block gunners anymore...
Fatshark, Force Claw that can parry bullets when
broken carbon
Yeah, the claw sucks at being anything but defensive, but it's ridiculously good...
huh
it’s got great horde clear
dclaw’s weakness is armor
nocturne dust
it’s got great horde clear
not really, at least not on psyker
echo root
dclaw’s weakness is armor
dclaw’s weakness is armor itself
pliant tendon
You can just slide
meanwhile zealot doesn't even need to time his slides because he's always evading while sprinting
echo root
meanwhile zealot doesn't even need to time his slides because he's always evadin...
Taking that talent is a dps loss
pliant tendon
and he can still tank a shotgun blast to the face without breaking toughness
broken carbon
Taking that talent is a dps loss
no, taking that talent is just a loss
pliant tendon
Taking that talent is a dps loss
dying is a dps loss
broken carbon
meanwhile zealot doesn't even need to time his slides because he's always evadin...
swift certainty is not dodge shooters at all times while sprinting
it’s only while sprinting perpendicular to shooters
which you can already do, just now with no stamina
pliant tendon
today i learned even a level 1200 zealot can make a mistake lmao
broken carbon
wdym
broken carbon
it’s only while sprinting perpendicular to shooters
(also you should really rarely if ever be doing this)
pliant tendon
well he zoomed away at the start
and then something got him when he was miles away
broken carbon
speedrunners suck at the game
pliant tendon
i mean i get it, i wouldn't need a team if i was my own coherency either
strong gulch
High level doesn't mean that much. Combined my psykers are over 1000 and I am mid.
broken carbon
and then something got him when he was miles away
they have high levels because they speedrun missions, and speedrunning is easy levels, and speedrunning is extremely easy
broken carbon
High level doesn't mean that much. Combined my psykers are over 1000 and I am mi...
this
i’m better than 90% of level 1000+ i’ve seen
and my highest level is zealot at 550ish
pliant tendon
well you'd think he'd be good at speedrunning at this point and not die a few minutes in
slate oasis
usually deimos mk iv
is there a particular enemy that gives you trouble or melee in general?
broken carbon
i mean i get it, i wouldn't need a team if i was my own coherency either
eh, loner isn’t taken for the coherency bonus
in reality, coherency isn’t really useful at all
echo root
in reality, coherency isn’t really useful at all
Except the aura buffs
broken carbon
Except the aura buffs
even then
pliant tendon
is there a particular enemy that gives you trouble or melee in general?
well not really since most of my builds can deal with anything anyway
broken carbon
aura buffs are pretty minimally useful
pliant tendon
it's just that it gets overwhelming at times
pliant tendon
like i'm looking out for a sniper, then hear a mutant, then get shot at by a trapper, by some miracle i kill them all while also juking the boss
just to get jumped by a dog
while my team has also gone ahead
broken carbon
I'd aruge that these two alone make Coherency strong
CDR as a whole is very OP
and 10% ability cdr is just nice
but it’s not something you really ever keep in mind
and it’s only
3 seconds
pliant tendon
loner gives the zealot crazy toughness regen
also boosted by a talent that makes coherency regens stronger
broken carbon
loner gives the zealot crazy toughness regen
no it doesn’t
and it’s disabled in melee combat
broken carbon
toughness regen from coherency is disabled in melee combat (specifically, when an enemy occupies one of your melee slots)
pliant tendon
and it’s disabled in melee combat
doesn't matter when he already regens toughness when near enemies, while attacking enemies, while critting, while dodging etc
broken carbon
doesn't matter when he already regens toughness when near enemies, while attacki...
yeah, but loner isn’t doing any of that
loner is only taken (by good players at least) for the pathing into stealth
strong gulch
well you'd think he'd be good at speedrunning at this point and not die a few mi...
True. Hecking true.
But we all have our bad game times. That being said, I have seen too many +1000 players play like complete doo doo. (It's me doing memes).
pliant tendon
yeah, but loner isn’t doing any of that
well it does, considering you don't need to be near your team to regen toughness lol
hushed heart
pliant tendon
further increased by stuff like fortitude in fellowship or shield of contempt if you go that route
even better if you take the talent that lets you regen toughness by evading and then also the one that makes you count as always evading while sprinting
you can just run away and be good
broken carbon
well it does, considering you don't need to be near your team to regen toughness...
3.75 toughness a second is nothing
broken carbon
further increased by stuff like fortitude in fellowship or shield of contempt if...
meta builds take neither of those, and shield of contempt only activates on health damage, not toughness damage
broken carbon
you can just run away and be good
running perpendicular to ranged enemies instead of sliding at them or using your ability (chastise, stealth, chorus) to get closer is anathema to zealot’s play style
pliant tendon
meta builds take neither of those, and shield of contempt only activates on heal...
maybe they should start so they don't run off and die like dummies
broken carbon
maybe they should start so they don't run off and die like dummies
you’re seeing bad players
a good build cannot save a bad player
(except smite and gunlugger)
pliant tendon
you can build an extremely tanky zealot while also mantaining really good damage and the ability to solo the whole game
broken carbon
you can build an extremely tanky zealot while also mantaining really good damage...
yeah
what’s your point?
even if you’re an extremely tanky zealot, you’ll still die to chip damage if you aren’t good with the mechanics
azure parcel
also which is the best Psyker ability to specc into when levelling
Shield? Scrier? Shriek?
broken carbon
also which is the best Psyker ability to specc into when levelling
assail and shriek
broken carbon
both are high damage that doesn’t depend on weapon level
azure parcel
crazy special sniping power
pliant tendon
what’s your point?
nothing i just wish i could be a literal military grade tank sometimes
ogryn comes close i suppose but they kinda lack the damage potential
broken carbon
ogryn comes close i suppose but they kinda lack the damage potential
pickaxes
indigo plank
holy shit fuck cliffhanger
pliant tendon
and they're mostly designed to work around their team
indigo plank
Mission rotation is spitting in my mouth like "mmm no ledges bitch"
azure parcel
ogryn comes close i suppose but they kinda lack the damage potential
may I invite you to try pure BLO Achlys Gunlugger
your opinion about Ogryn damage output will experience a seismic shift
pliant tendon
ogryns were literally created for the sole purpose of aiding humans on missions so idk what you're on about
broken carbon
ogryns were literally created for the sole purpose of aiding humans on missions ...
huh
??
like in lore??
they weren’t created
they evolved from high gravity planets
young dune
Hey so bit of an odd question, are there mods that let me futz with how peril is displayed. I've really taken to the void blast staff but when I'm aiming at any kind of distance the number is right in the way
broken carbon
Hey so bit of an odd question, are there mods that let me futz with how peril is...
true peril might, or custom hud
i’m pretty sure custom hud will let you
pliant tendon
they evolved from humans and then were going to get exterminated but they figured they're gonna use them for military purposes
otherwise they'd be long gone
broken carbon
they evolved from humans and then were going to get exterminated but they figure...
yeah but this is irrelevant to the discussion
i’m talking about in game
pliant tendon
lore is pretty relevant to me
broken carbon
that’s fine
broken carbon
lore is pretty relevant to me
but if you’re going to talk about gameplay mechanics, don’t use lore as a reason for something
ogryns can function entirely fine without the team
every class can
pliant tendon
not like the game would exist without the lore that preceded it
you wouldn't have ogryns and wouldn't make these arguments
broken carbon
you wouldn't have ogryns and wouldn't make these arguments
ok but again, it’s irrelevant to the current discussion
pliant tendon
so what's the point of you addressing it if you're talking about some imaginary computer numbers anyway
azure parcel
Wow I can't use the Smite-lite staff because it fucks with controller vibration
Come on FartShart
This is lame
pliant tendon
idk seems like you started trolling the point you started projecting your lack of lore knowledge on them
even if you only take game mechanics into consideration you can still tell they're mainly designed to work around the team
even if you don't count their own remarks and comments within the game, a lot of their talents and stuff reflect that fact
broken carbon
idk seems like you started trolling the point you started projecting your lack o...
i never did
i’m talking about gameplay, not lore
they are seperate things
pliant tendon
well
writing off someone's legitemate argument as "ur just baiting" is regular troll behavior
but ok we don't have to argue further anyway
broken carbon
writing off someone's legitemate argument as "ur just baiting" is regular troll ...
there is no argument
patent jacinth
Forgot like 5 points
broken carbon
Forgot like 5 points
epic FAIL
azure parcel
azure parcel
Honestly when I play Glugger I don't need my team to do anything except not hog my ammo
broken carbon
Alright same question
i’m ngl this person just seems
either trolling
or just slow
broken carbon
Honestly when I play Glugger I don't need my team to do anything except not hog ...
please do not hold down m1 for the entire game
seeing gunluggers do that just
euueueuuughhhh
the others need ammo too!!
u have some of the best melee in the game!!!
azure parcel
patent jacinth
I think I'm ammo conscious on glugger
green musk
well, void was able to judge my psyker for real
patent jacinth
Counterpoint: Munitorums Blessing
pliant tendon
i’m ngl this person just seems
for someone who just stated that there was no argument you seem kinda triggered making remarks like that but ok like i said, no need to keep going
azure parcel
Counterpoint: Munitorums Blessing
My point still stands
I got that penance without being a troll
I'm sure others can too
patent jacinth
36,500 rounds
azure parcel
It'll just take a few extra games, it's ok
nocturne dust
well, void was able to judge my psyker for real
You were only using one build so it wasn't much of a judge, but you're definitely better than pubs, lol
broken carbon
for someone who just stated that there was no argument you seem kinda triggered ...
i meant there is no argument, as in, you have no point to make, you are just being pedantic and frankly dumb
patent jacinth
It'll just take a few extra games, it's ok
270 ACHLYS MAGAZINES
green musk
You were only using one build so it wasn't much of a judge, but you're definitel...
i dont need much, one build for my playstyle is generally how i do things
nocturne dust
Weird, I have trouble playing things multiple times in a row. This was the most I used purg all month, lmao.
Probably not gonna play it for a few days.
pliant tendon
i have already closed the chat and bro is still concocting new insults 🙃
hope you have a nice day too
echo root
i dont need much, one build for my playstyle is generally how i do things
You like Psyker now?
green musk
You like Psyker now?
oh yeah
echo root
oh yeah
Now you're gaming
It's sluggish af when leveling, but at 30 you're a dps machine.
green musk
yeah, i feel like zealot is gonna be a bit harder now, idk
or easier?
echo root
In melee it's easier
young dune
yeah, i feel like zealot is gonna be a bit harder now, idk
or easier?
as in leveling zeolot? because honestly if you start at lower levels she's great from the start
patent jacinth
Zealot has second wind four points in
nocturne dust
Zealot is definitely easier to play imo, but it's also more... energetic
patent jacinth
Its easier
green musk
as in leveling zeolot? because honestly if you start at lower levels she's great...
already leveled
young dune
ah yeah still easier. You just get stuck in and your toughness regen mostly takes care of things as long as you keep an eye out for disruptors
buoyant maple
It'll just take a few extra games, it's ok
U can speedrun it in orthus offensive’s final room before boss
nocturne dust
Whenever I switch classes, it takes a bit for me to get used to playing the new one, yeah.
broken carbon
U can speedrun it in orthus offensive’s final room before boss
oh that’s smart
i’m gona do that
echo root
Psyker>Zel>Vet>Ogryn is my current fav classes.
broken carbon
later
buoyant maple
i’m gona do that
If ur on rn I can help, it’s like 5 runs
young dune
Still not used to how slow the psyker is. feels really bad
echo root
Ogryn is just so boring spamming slow heavies
nocturne dust
I actually like Ogryn over vet
buoyant maple
U just need a buddy to get u into private lobby
young dune
U can speedrun it in orthus offensive’s final room before boss
im not sure I follow
what does that mean
echo root
Still not used to how slow the psyker is. feels really bad
Start spamming dodge slides while channelig your staff if you're not already doing it.
young dune
(newer player)
broken carbon
If ur on rn I can help, it’s like 5 runs
ohg no not rn
i’ll do it later
thank u though
young dune
Start spamming dodge slides while channelig your staff if you're not already doi...
oh I have been. I meant outside of that. His sprint speed is way lower than zeolot and maybe its placebo but it feels like he gets winded easier
buoyant maple
im not sure I follow
Orthus offensive (special assignment) has a room before entering the boss fight area where it’s full of ammo bags
It also has an Easter-egg thing where after completion, u can unlock a bell that teleports the whole team into that room
young dune
or maybe I've just lost track of my curios
echo root
oh I have been. I meant outside of that. His sprint speed is way lower than zeol...
Run 1 3stam curio as well.
young dune
fair
echo root
I always run 1 3stam curio on psyker and 2-3 stam regen.
young dune
I was running 2 2 stamina curios for a while but I'm trying some +toughness curios now that I have all 3 unlocked. Give the toughness regen talents something to do
nocturne dust
I always run 1 3stam curio on psyker and 2-3 stam regen.
and I do none of that
I only run a 3 stam if I'm running devil's claw
solar ocean
SIBLINGS
acoustic osprey
empowered smite still doesn't feel like it doesn't do enough dps, am i missing something vital?
nocturne dust
empowered smite still doesn't feel like it doesn't do enough dps, am i missing s...
creeping flames shriek
It's the thing that lets EP smite murder a room, because it's most of the damage
nocturne dust
soulblaze
upfront damage is awful
if you vent at 85%+ peril, you apply 6 stacks of soulblaze which is more damage, and more importantly actually does enough damage to kill things and interacts with all the other soulblaze stuff which lets it go even crazier
azure parcel
cool, thanks
literally just lv 14 and still understanding the class
on the plus side, I've only gone boom thrice
I'll take what wins I get lul
nocturne dust
Take your time and know that Psyker scales the hardest with levels, so you'll be much stronger as your build fully develops (if you take the right stuff, but of course you can always just ask about that here when the time comes)
azure parcel
Yeah it's like playing Mage in any RPG
Starts out doodoo, becomes absolute murder on wheels later
and I should gun for Empowere Psionics keystone for early power?
nocturne dust
eeeeeehhhhhhhh
For strong early power, go Assail and then go warp splitting (right side branch) because Assail benefits from that, and then go EP if you really want
azure parcel
I got Assail and just got the Soulblaze Shriek
basically it's dealer's choice for the keystones?
nocturne dust
Not really
I mean, I guess if you're just going to be using assail while levelling it's fine
but most anything is fine while levelling
buoyant maple
on the plus side, I've only gone boom thrice
Go boom more often, there’s a penance for venting peril when going boom 50 times
azure parcel
haughty star
azure parcel
Who came up with these penances man
haughty star
is +3 just real now?
azure parcel
Ultimate troll
nocturne dust
is +3 just real now?
no
haughty star
where's the cutoff now
split lance
do people even use stamina curios, seems like a waste
nocturne dust
At least, someone else mentioned it to me.
haughty star
cool it used to be the 75s and down were fake
nocturne dust
I don't have any luck with curios
haughty star
do people even use stamina curios, seems like a waste
+3 on psyker feels really good
haughty star
to you..
haughty star
but yeah it used to always be recommended to +3 with KD because it increases it's effectiveness like alot
buoyant maple
Who came up with these penances man
Psyker penances are the easiest
haughty star
if you use it for tanking damage that is
nocturne dust
but yeah it used to always be recommended to +3 with KD because it increases it'...
The atheneum did do that. Not sure why tho, you had plenty of blocking without it.
haughty star
because the relationship with KD is so exponential
the peril buildup is in direct relation to your stam pool
nocturne dust
Yes, but if you never run out, the difference is pointless
haughty star
ok and
nocturne dust
And it was hard to run out 🤷♂️
haughty star
okay and
nocturne dust
and that's why Atheneum recommending stamina was kinda weird
haughty star
subjective and objective my guy
nocturne dust
Bruh
haughty star
you find a hard line to draw there lol
split lance
lol
clear heath
i actually kinda like building more peril with kd
nocturne dust
I do use KD to build peril sometimes, lol
mossy oyster
KD + Warp unbound
more siblings abuse please
(its free infinite blocking like a celerity stimm while reviving)
split lance
KD + DH
haughty star
kd vs deamonhost is hilarious lol
nocturne dust
Claw + KD on any boss is 
azure parcel
What is KD
nocturne dust
kinetic deflection
mossy oyster
kino deflection
nocturne dust
claw don't do shit to bosses tho
It's not that bad, it's better than most psyker boss damage
haughty star
most psyker boss damage isn't bad if used correctly
nocturne dust
As long as the boss is targeting you of course, or you get some ragers to try and stab you
haughty star
mossy oyster
though 30% crit dmg and weakspot dmg is nothing compared to free 50% just for dodging
nocturne dust
Meleeker buffs when
nocturne dust
can't be good at everything
Yeah, would be weird if you could literally just use heavies for everything. Or run at things while screaming about the god emperor. Or shoot things with a load of boiling plasma. 
mossy oyster
idk i think my gunker setup is generally good at everything
nocturne dust
Also a class being bad at 50% of the core game loop is weird
mossy oyster
has an answer for everything
nocturne dust
has an answer for everything
except taking a hit
haughty star
Also a class being bad at 50% of the core game loop is weird
not being exceptional is not being bad at something lol
nocturne dust
not being exceptional is not being bad at something lol
What class is worse than psyker at melee
haughty star
psyker is fine with a ds or a illisi in its own rite for what they need to do
nocturne dust
Wdym, vet is known to be good at both ranged and melee
haughty star
what class can use blitz as a main weapon?
nocturne dust
So's ogryn
nocturne dust
Your own point is dumb
It's not about classes doing everything, it's about psyker not managing a core part of the game well
nocturne dust
prolly just trash tbh
Yes yes, did you know ad hominems are logical fallacies?
Arguing in bad faith is all you can do.
clear heath
the reason classes want to have good melee clear in the first place is to kill things without using ammo
psyker is already good at this
haughty star
and literally just having a illisi makes you one of the strongest presences on the battlefield for mixed horde clear lol
clear heath
then use assails
nocturne dust
and literally just having a illisi makes you one of the strongest presences on t...
Wat are you on?
clear heath
assail + melee already isn't weak
nocturne dust
because of assail
and using overpowered melee weapons, and not because of meleeker
silent panther
Not arguing the same point twice in one day.
haughty star
Not arguing the same point twice in one day.
oh he already argued about this one?
silent panther
Yeah
haughty star
prolly just best to let him simmer than
silent panther
Idk if he's dense or what but he hates melee pysker
nocturne dust
You right, I should just let you people have your bad takes.
clear heath
why do you even want psyker to be good at pure melee? What else is even unique about psyker melee if you aren't weaving in warp damage for malefic?
nocturne dust
Idk if he's dense or what but he hates melee pysker
lmao people agreed with me
haughty star
You right, I should just let you people have your bad takes.
"everyone's take is bad if it's not mine"
nocturne dust
why do you even want psyker to be good at pure melee? What else is even unique a...
That's the problem
haughty star
clearly they aren't right at this second
it's almost as if people have opinions lol
and yours isn't neccesarily right as well as theirs lol
nocturne dust
"everyone's take is bad if it's not mine"
Yes
silent panther
So just dense, that's alright.
nocturne dust
No, mine is right because I said so. And also I'm arguing with you, and you're always wrong Baz
haughty star
i'm always just arguing that your shit takes aren't fact lol
and there could be nothing truer dipshit
clear heath
The whole point of psyker's melee builds is to interact with peril and warp stuff. If you want to melee with none of that, i don't see why you wouldn't just play a different class
nocturne dust
i'm always just arguing that your shit takes aren't fact lol
And yes quite a number of psykers I trust a heck of a lot more agree with me and not you
haughty star
And yes quite a number of psykers I trust a heck of a lot more agree with me and...
alot of people don't too
nocturne dust
An appeal to popularity is a logical fallacy tho, but you don't use logic so 🤷♂️
haughty star
so who gives a shit man
nocturne dust
so who gives a shit man
so why argue with me
haughty star
at this rate you'll be on bp meds by 30 lol
nocturne dust
Clearly you give a shit
silent panther
The whole point of psyker's melee builds is to interact with peril and warp stuf...
That's the point melee is strong because of those interactions, I don't think anyone is saying "ONLY SWORD."
haughty star
so why argue with me <:KEKW_ogryn:1022077188322906163>
because you're dumb enough to argue back and it's hilarious to me
nocturne dust
The whole point of psyker's melee builds is to interact with peril and warp stuf...
I do want melee to have that
haughty star
literally take the bait every single time lol
nocturne dust
but most melee doesn't do that
instead you literally swap off melee or use abilities to interact with peril at all
nocturne dust
literally take the bait every single time lol
Yes, yes, it's all bait. You definitely don't care.
clear heath
we have quell on melee weakspot kill for scriers and assail weaving for malefic.
I think that's plenty for interactions between melee and the rest of our kit.
silent panther
L
clear heath
ogryn is actually more boring than this
They just heavy
nocturne dust
I'm not saying Ogryn doesn't have issues.
clear heath
For melee gameplay that involves swapping between melee and other options:
vet has weapon specialist/agile engagement
zealot has throwing knives
we have assails
i guess ogryn has rock
haughty star
i guess ogryn has rock
i'm still of the conviction you literally just rock for the break in h1
nocturne dust
I mean the game has you swapping around weapons regardless of build so I don't see your point
runic juniper
i guess ogryn has rock
ogryn has can opener ripper gun
clear heath
oh true
runic juniper
there's a few ranged weapon blessings for ogryn that help his melee weapon, not nade gauntlets though their melee is trash
also I think full bore for shotguns still applies when you switch weapons? it dont
haughty star
bring back uncanny assail
yeah the only reason to ever swing gg is to get a quick toughness gib if you're really hurting
when it's so bad damage becomes the dumpstat
green musk
anyone wanna help so i can get a mask?
runic juniper
when it's so bad damage becomes the dumpstat
I'm really sad fatshark went through the effort of buffing it's melee to be useful only to immediently be like "nah you're suppose to use your melee weapon for melee not your ranged weapon lol"
green musk
i cant do a private lobby without another person
runic juniper
hold on here
haughty star
I'm really sad fatshark went through the effort of buffing it's melee to be usef...
i still run it to fill kickbacks role just because i can't do kickback anymore
green musk
hold on here
im just doing sedition
runic juniper
ye all good
dusk void
Are these stats normal for an Auric Maelstrom?
nocturne dust
Depends how long it went
haughty star
Are these stats normal for an Auric Maelstrom?
on the good side but yeah. also depends on what you're running
dusk void
on the good side but yeah. also depends on what you're running
Blazing Trauma Staff, and it lasted for 32 minutes
haughty star
bout average for trauma i'd say
potent echo
Sometimes my Auric's are like everyone 350k-ish
nocturne dust
Looks fine. Nothing wrong with it.
haughty star
the math isn't mathing on damage taken but there are med packs lol and stims and shit
clear heath
I mean the game has you swapping around weapons regardless of build so I don't s...
I'm just bringing up tools that exist as build enablers for melee that promote more interaction.
Like vet agile engagement and weapon specialist are basically staples for any vet build that call themselves melee orientated.
And i consider psyker assail with malefic to be a similar concept. I don't think excluding assails from melee psyker makes much sense as it's basically your melee support.
nocturne dust
I'm just bringing up tools that exist as build enablers for melee that promote m...
I don't agree because it chains meleeker entirely to a single blitz, and Charged Strike exists. There's clearly room and intent for wider variety.
clear heath
I definitely wouldn't complain if they buffed charged strike
haughty star
doesn't charged strike not work rn or some shit?
clear heath
no it's just dogshit
haughty star
i tried it and didn't math anything it just didn't seem like it did anything so i took it off i g lol
clear heath
like 30-80 damage over 3 seconds after a heavy
nocturne dust
Yes, currently meleeker relies on assail, but that is part of the problem from my view and not in anyway a solution.
clear heath
I kinda see it as intentional that assail also happens to be on the side of our tree with literally every melee node
nocturne dust
I mean, there's not that many melee nodes
There's crack of bone, attack speed, and charged strike
haughty star
dd?
nocturne dust
One of those isn't on the right side
haughty star
anything that has anything to do with weakspot or precision damage?
clear heath
Well okay there aren't that many melee exclusive things, but nearly everything that a melee build would be looking at is on one side aside from charged strike.
Scriers, Crack of Bone, ASPD, malefic, DD
I don't think it's a coincidence that nearly everything remotely benefitial to melee is on the same part of the tree as assail
nocturne dust
I mean, you can benefit from PC and wildfire, and psykinetics, and also warp siphon
clear heath
because of assail
I'm mostly just arguing this.
Like i'm pretty sure assail malefic is our melee build and looking at it in vacuum without assail is missing the point of what melee psyker should be.
Like yeah okay it technically isn't pure melee but does that even matter? The goal is to weave melee with psyker things no?
clear heath
If u wanna just w mouse 1 just play zealot
mossy oyster
every class can do that not a sound argument
nocturne dust
I'm mostly just arguing this.
Like i'm pretty sure assail malefic is our melee b...
Well, yes, weave melee with psyker things. Like peril.
clear heath
i'm actually kinda surprised zealot doesn't have better talents for weaving ranged/melee like vet does (no emperor's bullet doesn't count)
they should make emperor's bullet not dogshit maybe
jesus 5 seconds
holy shit i forgot sainted gunslinger exists too
turns out those nodes do exist and they just suck
green musk
happy happy :3
thank you again, @runic juniper
runic juniper
ye
runic juniper
they should make emperor's bullet not dogshit maybe
yeah no, center of zealot tree is just ass and all you go there for is shield of contempt or the aura. No reason to take that route for extra talent points since it's not worth skipping anything on the right or left side and chorus immediately after kinda sucks too
Dance of death though is insane for ranged
since your hipfire is given ads accuracy
clear heath
yeah that's a good node
runic juniper
It honestly feels like gun psyker with movement speed nodes except instead of shooting a bunch with a lot of damage you can actually hit heads while sprinting/sliding
clear heath
just sad that there isn't good nodes that promote ranged/melee swapping like vet with agile engagement/weap spec
like the only nodes that try to be that on zealot are the dogshit nodes in the middle
runic juniper
im still on the bench that weapon specialist is stupid for how losing stacks works and it being the only source of RoF increase for the fucking ranged class
clear heath
im still on the bench that weapon specialist is stupid for how losing stacks wor...
It does have some jank but i like it overall
runic juniper
I just wish it worked like weapon blessings where they'd temporarily deactivate if you swapped early, and only a new full stack would activate once the old stacks wore off like the zealot momentum stacks
also, fucking keystones that affect only ranged or melee when there's another keystone for the same class that affects both are dumb
clear heath
it's also kinda a sign that the keystone isnt perfectly designed when literally everyone just takes the exact same 1 keystone modifier (the ammo one) and nothing else
there are definitely valid complaints about it but it's a fun concept overall
nocturne dust
I'm mostly just arguing this.
Like i'm pretty sure assail malefic is our melee b...
My issue with meleeker is it doesn't feel good and doesn't feel melee focused. Like, yes, I do play Zealot and Vet melee over psyker melee. I literally don't have a build for psyker melee, and I have a build for brain burst spam and gunker, two of the things I hate most on Psyker. It's because it's just Assailker, and plays exactly like Assailker. Meleeker's entire kit shouldn't demand assail to function.
runic juniper
it's also kinda a sign that the keystone isnt perfectly designed when literally ...
only actual reason to take weapon specialist is to reload my shotguns and revolvers
green musk
i need an opinion.
number 1, or number 2
runic juniper
i need an opinion.
number 1, or number 2
do you like skull or metal plate
green musk
yes.
runic juniper
there's a few psyker chestpieces with another skull attached, so those pair well with the pants
green musk
i think these pair well with what i got. i like the boots in the second pair for the skulls on them, but the first pair has a second skull on my hip and more purity seals
cant spell or think XD
runic juniper
My issue with meleeker is it doesn't feel good and doesn't feel melee focused. L...
2:30am brain
wrong reply
I like how basically any build for psyker fits into melee though. Nothing is particularly melee focused but it all helps your melee damage one way or another, even the extra warp damage
green musk
think imma go with the baggy skull pants for a bit
radiant lance
What curious do you want on Psyker? x2 Toughness, 1 Stamina?
nocturne dust
I like how basically any build for psyker fits into melee though. Nothing is par...
I mean, that would be neat if psyker melee felt good but to me it just feels pretty awful if you try to use anything that isn't dueling/force sword
mossy oyster
What curious do you want on Psyker? x2 Toughness, 1 Stamina?
2 toughness 1 hp
runic juniper
What curious do you want on Psyker? x2 Toughness, 1 Stamina?
always at least 1 hp curio, either 2 hp 1 tough or 2 tough and 1 hp. psyker doesnt need extra stamina since the stamina regen delay is insanely short and kinetic deflection lets you block with peril
radiant lance
Huh ok. Thanks folks
mossy oyster
205 hp is what my gunker is at from what I remember
radiant lance
21% hp good
is 20% enough?
runic juniper
but yeah, you need that 1 hp to survive bursters and snipers for an extra 3rd time
a 21% puts you around the 180hp mark
nocturne dust
need that boost to not get 1 shotted by bursters/snipers
sniper res is a pathway to many abilities some consider... unnatural
green musk
is 20% enough?
i also only have a 20%
radiant lance
Perks?
mossy oyster
im not arguing whats better who gives a fuck
runic juniper
Perks?
resistances that aren't mutie or hound, dont stack more than 2 of each, except maybe gunner
mossy oyster
lmfao
green musk
just swap the stam for an HP
radiant lance
Man you really hate gunners
nocturne dust
resistances that aren't mutie or hound, dont stack more than 2 of each, except m...
No, you can stack 3
green musk
Man you really hate gunners
tbf, it isnt mine, but yes i do
clear heath
My issue with meleeker is it doesn't feel good and doesn't feel melee focused. L...
I don't think we're gonna agree on how melee feels, but personally it feels great to me to chuck a few assails into a horde before going into melee, weaving a few assails/force sword specials between swings to keep malefic up, and weakspot melee killing stuff to keep stacking scriers up.
mossy oyster
green musk
also, mine dont have the same perks rn, cause im tryna get better stat curios
runic juniper
No, you can stack 3
I'd rather have another full 20% damage resist to something else rather than an like 8% or whatever the third gives, even if it's tox flamer resist
nocturne dust
I don't think we're gonna agree on how melee feels, but personally it feels grea...
Agree to disagree.
green musk
so i subbed out ability cooldown for curios rewards
clear heath
alright
green musk
tryna get lucky
nocturne dust
I'd rather have another full 20% damage resist to something else rather than an ...
Nah, I get hit by snipers and gunners. I don't take peanuts from bombers/flamers. The math don't math for me.
unless I get grabbed, but then I'm dead anyway
runic juniper
unless I get grabbed, but then I'm dead anyway
flamer resist has saved me from grabs so many times since i started using it
clear heath
actually does flamer resist work on the explosions?
green musk
i might change from guners to dogs and bursters, cause i have a tough time getting the block off right
runic juniper
Unless you're talking about hounds
a flamer goes from dealing all your hp to leaving you at a 1/3rd lol
nocturne dust
actually does flamer resist work on the explosions?
what we really need is knockback resist
clear heath
it wouldn't surprise me if it didn't function, knowing fatshark's history, so i had to ask
radiant lance
tbf, it isnt mine, but yes i do
Is there an alternative to this site that can check for potential of items?
https://accounts.atoma.cloud/dashboard
nocturne dust
a flamer goes from dealing all your hp to leaving you at a 1/3rd lol
they do that anyway for me if I'm full 🤷♂️
green musk
Is there an alternative to this site that can check for potential of items?
http...
idk
im not the build guy XD
ripe obsidian
Is there an alternative to this site that can check for potential of items?
http...
It's not super needed anymore, so probably not
Itemization rework made it easy to get good gear
left basin
I want more psyker capes I want more robes I want more magey shit
ripe obsidian
And everything is 379-381 now anyway
Unrelated: holy moly games were rough tonight. I think I lost more than I won. D:
wind spruce
I want more psyker capes I want more robes I want more magey shit
For the love of God, Fatshark. Release more magey shit
left basin
Shadow wizard gang I want hoods
ripe obsidian
Shadow wizard gang I want hoods
Shadow Wizard Money Gang, you pleb
green musk
yeah i take it back, the baggy pants with the skull feels bit too masculine to me. just doesnt feel like me, ya know
ripe obsidian
lethal lagoon
I swear it was shadow money wizard gang
left basin
Shadow Wizard Money Gang, you pleb
ripe obsidian
You swear wrong. >:(
lethal lagoon
That is true
green musk
I swear it was shadow money wizard gang
hi atlas
lethal lagoon
ripe obsidian
How quickly you have changed your mind
lethal lagoon
I love how mace windu was literally just created because George Lucas thought Samuel Jackson was cool.
And Jackson thought star wars was cool
ripe obsidian
Less than a week ago you hated psyker
green musk
How quickly you have changed your mind
i just had to level up, lol
ripe obsidian
It is true
lethal lagoon
smh, fair weather psykers
green musk
lvl 22 made a HUGE difference
left basin
green musk
i think 22 is when i got ER, and im never going without it XD
lethal lagoon
ER is such a wild add
ripe obsidian
My day has been, "Okay, I just need one other person to stay standing so I can blow up the melee-only scabs... Oh, they all ran off and died." It's been 30/70 whether or not I can get them back up.
lethal lagoon
There was literally no reason to buff psyker lmao
cedar sable
whats the go to gunpsyker gun nowadays?
ripe obsidian
Recon XII
summer prairie
it's not really a buff unless dps is the only consideration
nocturne dust
There was literally no reason to buff psyker lmao
Yes there was 
indigo plank
Any tips for cliffhanger (not maps)? Does looking up push them further?
lethal lagoon
The solution is dead enemies
summer prairie
no the problem is dying
ripe obsidian
If enemies are dead, you don't die
clear heath
Why do you die?
barreled off by teammate
lethal lagoon
A team doing all top tier dps is infinitely better than a team who's good at living.
There will be nothing to kill you
nocturne dust
Yes there was <:angymorrow:1062670568916267038>
I said Psyker should be buffed. That's all the reason Fatshark needs.
summer prairie
<10% dps buff isn't going to make you much less likely to die
summer prairie
compared to taking way more damage
lethal lagoon
That's literally how horde games work
You get overwhelmed by spawns
Sometimes it's just 5% every time
Until you are overwhemed
clear heath
I don't think empyric resolve is even close to the biggest buffs they gave us this patch anyways
atomic swan
Any tips for cliffhanger (not maps)? Does looking up push them further?
find Vigil Station Oblivium
At the end of the map told your teammate that you wanna do the cliffhanger
lethal lagoon
If you do 95 dps, but the game spawns 100 dps worth of enemies, 10% is literally saving the game.
ripe obsidian
"Killing enemies faster doesn't help you win the game" is a wild take
half iron
overwhelmed by barrels
summer prairie
that's not how the math works
left basin
ER is a good thing, but really a bigger problem for fart staff, with a useless pick on the other side if you still want to go wb
lethal lagoon
I mean you are missing how the game works.
Okay, let's say 10 enemies spawn, you kill 9, repeat that 10 times, how many enemies are left?
summer prairie
well I see this discussion isn't worthwhile
summer prairie
with your logic you could change the toughness modifier to -100% and it would still be a buff
clear heath
ER is a good thing, but really a bigger problem for fart staff, with a useless p...
well, good thing fart staff is overall 40% stronger anyways because they decided blaze away needed to be near instant to stack
lethal lagoon
With your logic, you could play the whole round without attacking
summer prairie
I mean in his reasoning that downside doesn't even play a role
lethal lagoon
ripe obsidian
???
lethal lagoon
Extreme examples are effective argumentative tools because they are literally fallacious.
That's why this conversation is poimtless
you were obviously wrong
left basin
well, good thing fart staff is overall 40% stronger anyways because they decided...
Fart stuff is stinky and boring
lethal lagoon
and so you fell back on an extreme example
Thinking you were making a point.
when really you were revealing who you truly are.
nocturne dust
With your logic, you could play the whole round without attacking
stealth players be like
nocturne dust
Hot take but I like where staff psyker is currently.
nocturne dust
I dunno, Dorn told me I'm wrong 😭
clear heath
Hot take but I like where staff psyker is currently.
lmb ek staff...
also purg is a little overtuned imo
runic juniper
Hot take but I like where staff psyker is currently.
I think the m1s could use some work to not be broken op yet boring dumb orbs that become way better when you spam quell after each shot
nocturne dust
lmb ek staff...
Is fine without quell cancel
lethal lagoon
I dunno, Dorn told me I'm wrong 😭
Dorn thinks psykers should take damage while quelling
We don't like him here
runic juniper
vt2 player moment
clear heath
purg was not weak enough to need 40% more power with the easiest uptime ever
lethal lagoon
Given that fatshark data collection doesn't identify your warp fire damage correctly, it's actually possible psykers "stealing" purg's warpfire made them think it needs a buff
nocturne dust
also purg is a little overtuned imo
Eh, Idk. It's such a weird weapon, and it either does very little or way too much depending on densities. I think it's fine if we just remove uncanny soulblaze.
clear heath
maybe
lethal lagoon
But honestly I think they just wanted to add blessings to every weapon and couldn't think of anything.
spice veldt
infinite cleave is something to reign in so i'd tweak it down a bit further
clear heath
uncanny soulblaze is pretty dumb
spice veldt
the problem is the scaling, so i'd just directly hit the scaling part by capping it somehow
runic juniper
even then blaze away on the staff does a lot more than it should
runic juniper
wall shield should just do what the elfs did
lethal lagoon
"Wildfire" blessing(used same name on purpose).
Every enemy hit in a single attack increases the Cloud Radius by 1 meter for 1s.
More purg cleave
nocturne dust
and so will the eyes of anyone who still has bloom on
bloom is always an instant turn off for me in game settings
nocturne dust
"Wildfire" blessing(used same name on purpose).
Every enemy hit in a single atta...
wildfire but no stack cap
lethal lagoon
Give BB a third talent and give it back the AOE Perilous combustion on hit.
potent echo
wildfire but no stack cap
Real
clear heath
oh yeah i forgot about the old bb soulblaze thing
clear heath
yeah i do remember it being dogshit for a long time
potent echo
Wasn't it competing with warp rider though
I never picked it
Warp rider was also 10%~25%
👴
potent echo
In reverse
lethal lagoon
No no, void get's memories. They just are empty.
summer prairie
nocturne dust
My memories are stored in my voidstrike balls
lethal lagoon
It did go up though, right?
summer prairie
yes
nocturne dust
They make effective explosives
summer prairie
lethal lagoon
Yeah I'm guessing I only used it after the buff
clear heath
i found footage of it being 2 stacks
lethal lagoon
cause I have no memory of that
clear heath
so it got doubled at some point
summer prairie
it went up to 4 before the tree update
nocturne dust
i found footage of it being 2 stacks
ooooo I remember something. Wrack and Ruin sounds familiar. I wonder why.
clear heath
it went up to 4 before the tree update
yeah i vaguely remember it going higher than 2 at some point. sounds about right
lethal lagoon
clear heath
Anyone have a screenshot of the 4, why do I remember it being on elite hit?
also pretty sure they buffed it to elite bb hit too
lethal lagoon
I'm fairly certain it was nerfed well before patch 13 though
nocturne dust
I wonder what Fatshark will do next
summer prairie
lethal lagoon
Back when getting elite kills on psyker versus the vet was actually a fight for your life.
nocturne dust
I wonder what Fatshark will do next
Realistically speaking, we will get a new map and a few weapons or something
lethal lagoon
Vet was so absurdly OP
nocturne dust
Back when getting elite kills on psyker versus the vet was actually a fight for ...
That happened to me yesterday 😭
lethal lagoon
Yeah, an aim trainer Vet is gonna ruin your psyker time lmao.
nocturne dust
Yeah, an aim trainer Vet is gonna ruin your psyker time lmao.
I was fighting 3 bistol vets with EK and they would just annihilate elites before I could get PC off 😭
summer prairie
clear heath
also apparently it also had 3 at some point
lethal lagoon
yeah bring this one back
clear heath
so it literally got buffed from 1 -> 2 -> 3 -> 4
potent echo
Agony :wheeze:
summer prairie
Eenemies
potent echo
And it was like 1/6 of your build lmao
nocturne dust
These naming conventions
ripe obsidian
Eenemie
lethal lagoon
Why does Agonising look so lame?
clear heath
back when warp rider was called psykinetics wrath
and shriek was also called psykinetic's wrath
good times
lethal lagoon
What a bad spelling.
summer prairie
it was the mid october closed test
potent echo
Who knew power scaling = fun
ripe obsidian
What a bad spelling.
Blame the British
potent echo
The bri'ish
ripe obsidian
Though "Blame the British" probably works for most problems if you go back far enough
summer prairie
potent echo
It's so sad this is a vet talent now
summer prairie
I mean that was a vet talent back then too
potent echo
Press F, hold W and brauto
lethal lagoon
Pre-13 vet was wild
potent echo
Pre-13 vet was wild
Not tagging stalkers though
potent echo
clear heath
Vet Talent: Just don't take damage and kill every shooter with 0 effort.
vets with their 75% damage reduction, high ranged damage and 7 power sword swings
potent echo
What could have been
atomic swan
that's a lot of grenades
that's a lot of grenades flame/stun grenades, boxes/nukes
clear heath
back then we didn't have all those
atomic swan
it used to be affect your teammates too
half iron
gain a brain burst
green musk
i got my mask, and unless i want the boots, im not using brain burst again XD
nocturne dust
green musk
not cause i dont like it, its just a tad too slow for me
and the lock on isnt great, i move too much XD
nocturne dust
not cause i dont like it, its just a tad too slow for me
Hold up
Please wait a few minutes for BB enjoyers to react.
nocturne dust
I mean I just straight don't like BB. I might like it if it was as fast as EK at base or something, but it's just too stinky the way it currently is to me.
green musk
assial is very fun, love it
lightning fingers is more my style tho
nocturne dust
I don't use BB. I use Kinetic Flayer.
green musk
my sona is literally a lightning goddess
and heavily bassed of Storm from Xmen
tacit stump
i use brainburst only on flame built and smit mostly on gunker
haughty star
I like health tough and ability regen for perks
soyker don't have the pools to capitilize on resistences very well imo. and resists don't stack fully
haughty star
assial is very fun, love it
lightning fingers is more my style tho
if you wanna smite most of the time go for empowered psyonics
green musk
if you wanna smite most of the time go for empowered psyonics
i have
haughty star
your teammates will hate you but if you practice with it you can top pretty much most games you go into with it
green musk
green musk
your teammates will hate you but if you practice with it you can top pretty much...
they can hate all they want, im keeping the enemies at bay
shit cant hit you if its stunned and dead.
haughty star
i'd free up that one smite augment and put that one towards battle meditation
smiteker is one of the two times i ever recommend that garbage perk
and smiteker augments are hilariously non-impactful
green musk
i honestly dont see it prok much tbh
haughty star
you will on higher difficulties
like auric hi intensity when you're dropping 30-50 things in seconds it procs enough to be impactful
green musk
tho i guess perfect timing is kind of useless, idk how many time crits hit with lightning
haughty star
nah just lose the smite augment. i think @lethal lagoon did a bunch of testing with it to hilariously bad end
one of those nerds anyway. he'd know which nerd did the heavy lifiting
lethal lagoon
Nah, the + 1 jump and enfeeble are good if you are maining smite with EP
haughty star
oh really?
lethal lagoon
Yeah.
There's no reason not to take them, esp since you will barely have mettle/perfect timing up.
On an EP smite build
so 2 free points
haughty star
i thought it was just literally one enemy and the enfeeble didn't apply to the smite damage themselves
lethal lagoon
That's what the mod said
haughty star
oh that's fair i guess i'd just keep them to juice the surge a lil
lethal lagoon
testing said otherwise
green musk
There's no reason not to take them, esp since you will barely have mettle/perfec...
so could free up PT and put on BM?
lethal lagoon
By the time I have 5 stacks, I've stopped surging, and they'll fall off before helping EP smite much.
Don't need mettle either.
Unless you are using a fast gun/purg
Or want perfect timing
green musk
interesting
haughty star
Yes. The memes
i personally think it's super satisfying just melting down entire mixed hordes trivially with it but i barely ever go down that dark alleyway
lethal lagoon
I can play it 1-2 games in a row at most
green musk
so, could i take psychic leeching?
lethal lagoon
I dodge slide and jump like crazy during the smite. I say it's for positoning and pushing forward, but really I'm just mindnumbly bored while smiting.
haughty star
from my testing personally with it tho BM is pretty impactful
lethal lagoon
haughty star
so between me and atlas' advice drop PT and mettle and throw on the other augment and BM
lethal lagoon
Also why I don't take KD on smite
radiant lance
Itemization rework made it easy to get good gear
I wasted 500k yesterday and got zero perfect stats.
nocturne dust
or the middle node for EP
Almost never this one
green musk
so this
lethal lagoon
I don't like KD On ep smite, but yeah, that would be a standard EP smite build
Oh
cooldown aura instead of elite damage
nocturne dust
I don't like battle meditation, lol
haughty star
I don't like KD On ep smite, but yeah, that would be a standard EP smite build
to what end if not KD?
lethal lagoon
You want those shrieks to extend your smite casts.
nocturne dust
cooldown aura instead of elite damage
yeah this would be better
lethal lagoon
to what end if not KD?
more toughness to make up for ER is one option.
rending, if it wasn't broken, just to squeak out a little more DPS
haughty star
fair nuff
swift parrot
Sorry guys I fell asleep before anyone answered, did anyone also have that vibrating controller issue when using electro staff?
lethal lagoon
warp expen, to counteract the one shooter making your life miserable while you EP smite
haughty star
Sorry guys I fell asleep before anyone answered, did anyone also have that vibra...
no we're all pc nerds
swift parrot
Rip
green musk
cooldown aura instead of elite damage
what node is that?
nocturne dust
I would argue KD is still useful enough to have over those things
lethal lagoon
middle aura thing
lethal lagoon
I would argue KD is still useful enough to have over those things
Watch the videos
nocturne dust
Wat videos