psyker-class

[left dagger]

i think i got enough crit chance with scrier gaze already and got the top nodes for toughness reduction. no need for souldrinker then

[nocturne dust]

Ranged damage > melee damage, fake meleeker

[ripe obsidian]

:<

I do think it's interesting that both of the other psykers had more ranged damage than me. Almost double in one case. But they were both running scriers, and the 380k ranged damage was a scriers/surge LMB build

[deft igloo]

I’m only just now seeing the attack report, since when is this a thing and how do I see it?

[ripe obsidian]

https://www.nexusmods.com/warhammer40kdarktide/mods/281/

[deft igloo]

Aaaaahhhhh, okie

[ripe obsidian]

It's a neat mod. Also lets you see your teammates' entire builds

[deft igloo]

That’s sweeeet, also turns out I had an account with them already and completely forgot about it 🤣🤣

[ripe obsidian]

Lots of good mods to improve quality of life

[deft igloo]

Noice, although, now that I see that, I remember I am a lowly Xbox boi 😭

[flat nexus]

If you start lagging set the cycle rate to the lowest possible number, if not keep it at 2000

[flat nexus]

If you have it on pc game pass you can still mod the game

[deft igloo]

The issue is storage space on my pc, already got other games on there that I wanna keep on it and the rest of the storage is being chewed up by stuff I can’t even find with my deep dives into the drives

[flat nexus]

download more storage ||though probably get a hdd for other games and put dt on an sdd since apperently, it runs better there||

[split lance]

hdd in 2024

[fiery stratus]

def dont put dt on hdd, you'll be lucky if it runs at all

[clear heath]

you'll be loading into missions for 15 minutes

i remember around launch, one of my friends used an hdd.
Sometimes he'd try to join us near the beginning and we'd make it to the final area of the mission before he loaded in

[fiery stratus]

little did you know it was a strategy to get you guys do to all the work

Clip from a few days ago. Nothing crazy, just surprised I didn't die on multiple occasions

[deft igloo]

Lol, good suggestion, but at the same time, my laptop is fairly old now, I got it back in college like 6-7 years ago, so I’m looking to get something newer when I can

[strong gulch]

Do you have automatic backups? This was my partner's issue last night. He found like 3 years of backups that was clogging up space.

[ripe obsidian]

https://www.jam-software.com/treesize_free

[ripe obsidian]

Pokepokepokepoke

[quartz barn]

cmon what is the matchmaking for the twins

im trying to help a friend get the hm emblem but we keep joining on dumbasses that dont even have hm unlocked

[fiery stratus]

best bet is lfg

randoms you're throwing a dart with the hopes to hit something decent

[quartz barn]

were doing private now xd

easier anyway

[verbal thistle]

hear me out

[deft igloo]

Not that I’m aware of, but possibly. I just assumed that when my school Onedrive ran out that it dumped the files onto my computer then locked them since they were no longer in sync

[delicate dove]

y

[verbal thistle]

testing some interactions with purg

too much quell is bad

[delicate dove]

y

[buoyant maple]

The +10% rending at >75% peril talent is bugged, it simply doesn’t work

[verbal thistle]

damn

yeah

didnt feel any difference

dont have the show debuff mod

[buoyant maple]

So left side keystone has a problem between “win more” and “waste 1 point”

[strong gulch]

I didn't know it was bugged. I though it was just so unimpactful that it basically doesn't do anything.

[verbal thistle]

Yup, just tested

Thanks for telling me

[strong gulch]

Next time I take purg and actually take that talent, I'll have to pay attention.

[vernal blaze]

the problem is that all that toughness isnt enough and i need to be babied

[verbal thistle]

havent tested

but does this work with soulblaze ticks

[strong gulch]

no

[verbal thistle]

DOT doesnt count as ranged?

[strong gulch]

works on direct damage from purg but not the dot tick

[vernal blaze]

is it worth blowing like 3 points going for souldrinker on a purgestaff build

[strong gulch]

nope

[vernal blaze]

or should i just grab warp rider and kinetic deflection

[ripe obsidian]

...am I missing something?

[buoyant maple]

No, DOT is only affected by +T.dmg

[strong gulch]

Doesn't work on trauma rmb either (unless that was changed this patch)

[verbal thistle]

interesting

[strong gulch]

If you can easily get to it (EP build for example) yes. Keep warp rider. If you can play without KD, then go for it.

[vernal blaze]

how easily is easily

[verbal thistle]

☹️

[nocturne dust]

Easier than that.

Imagine not taking Warp Rider or KD

[vernal blaze]

hence

my question

[verbal thistle]

I can show you my build

[vernal blaze]

that was like the thing i was asking

[nocturne dust]

My opinion is souldrinker is never worth it, even if it was on the other side of the tree

I would only take it if it was already on the way, even a single point isn't really worth it for some toughness and 5% crit

On Purgestaff you also want the warp damage node under mettle.

[strong gulch]

If you're doing WC purg, try this. Souldrinker is too out of the way for WC. You have to give up too much. Put the last point in what you prefer.

[nocturne dust]

oh hey you dropped soulstealer for EE

I'ma steal that

[strong gulch]

Yee. Mettle still goes hard for purg. It's sus if there are only a few enemies, but quietude is still there.

[buoyant maple]

I just don’t go left keystone now cuz of that

[verbal thistle]

trying this out

cause why not

had a funny thought

[nocturne dust]

I mean if there's only a few soulstealer ain't going to help a ton either

[strong gulch]

yip

[narrow herald]

@verbal thistle is this guy cooking?

https://youtu.be/Kj_dAtgHX4Q?si=0nfksxpblFqakchz

[nocturne dust]

I'm banning them from the kitchen.

[strong gulch]

Ryken does good breakdowns and explanations, but his builds are questionable.

[ornate hamlet]

At least the thumbnail is pretty dope ngl

https://tenor.com/view/alex-casey-sam-lake-max-payne-alan-wake-alan-wake-2-gif-10572869970944287398

[jovial juniper]

Go white boy go

[vernal blaze]

okay first game with empyric resolve

im getting cooked

[strong gulch]

ER sending people to the ER

[chrome star]

am i cringe for smyking (well) an auric maelstrom for 3 veterans and winning,

[tepid python]

does scriers gaze effect smite?

[jovial juniper]

The damage bonus yeah

Then reality anchor

Then Warp unbound

"Infinite" smite for some reason

[tepid python]

thats what ive been doing

idk if smite crits but i whip out the axe towards the end

[strong gulch]

smite does not crit

[tepid python]

😔

[patent mango]

wheres the smite rework.....

[strong gulch]

You mean like get rid of it and replace it something else and give us the old surge staff as another mark so that we have 2 surge options?

[patent mango]

molten beam blitz in its place

[strong gulch]

nice

[flint pawn]

Think instead of shocking everything and sitting there for half an hour, just consistently shooting a bolt every like half a second that's strong enough to bounce and kill like 4 trash mobs so it's good at horde clear but doesn't outshine surge staff in single target

idk some concept like that

also I want a blessing on surge staff that lets you hold down a fully charged attack and repeatedly pulse good single target damage, but like maybe with the downside of causing toughness damage and eventual HP damage if low enough or something while channeling

I need my dedicated boss killer staff.

[patent mango]

voidnuke staff that costs 50% peril and shoots out a bfg shot

[flint pawn]

let us use the shield staff 🙏

if not a buff to surge I just really want a single target staff :(

not that any of them are really BAD at it per se

just something dedicated to the job

[patent mango]

just make surge work on electro staff

then nerf its goofy m1 spam shenanigans

[flint pawn]

Windfury Weapon style so sometimes you just accidentally one shot the boss

[nocturne dust]

Exterminatus Staff

[flint pawn]

explosion staff that lets you peril explode 5 times without killing you but then goes on a 30s or something cooldown

[strong gulch]

Voidbanish staff

[patent mango]

staff that summons a force greatsword

[flint pawn]

trust me I'm a master at design

okay but actually I want a warp ice staff of some kind tbh

I have no idea if that's a thing in the lore in any shape

I know nothing of warhammer lore

but it'd be cool

blizzard staff

[strong gulch]

idk about the lore either

I saw someone talk about a biomancer; but that sounded like a shit wizard to me.

like a poo flinger

[flint pawn]

staff that freezes enemies and lets you shatter them

[latent mauve]

refer to the list

[prime elk]

ryken in C?

tanner above ryken?

shit bait m8

[flint pawn]

I know exactly 3 people on this list lol

[latent mauve]

Terrible builds, outdated advise

[flint pawn]

I didn't know there were that many Darktide YouTubers tbh

[latent mauve]

Tanner’s basics are good content

There’s more but I cannot be bothered to do that again

[prime elk]

some of the worst youtuber takes i've seen come from tanner

like he's legit spreading fake news

[latent mauve]

At lot better than “farm malice” ryken

https://tenor.com/view/brad-pitt-fury-movie-shoot-that-guy-gif-8829002926137263043

[prime elk]

ryken actually does his research, he's one of the better YTers

most of them are shit

[flint pawn]

He hits the mark mostly with research but he just kinda falls a bit flat with the actual builds

and the outdated part is fair but I mean he seems to be updating stuff now

[prime elk]

like telepot is good, but his builds usually aren't great prob because he's fucking around

[prime elk]

yeah it's a weird criticism when the video in question came out... today?

[flint pawn]

Referring to the many info videos he's made in the past probably that he hasn't updated yet

shrug

[prime elk]

well that applies to any YTer's content

[flint pawn]

either way I think he's alright

not the best but far from the worst

[prime elk]

i just find it hilarious that tanner's B on that list when he created this

random chance would've produced better results

[latent mauve]

Sorry

But Tanner is better than this

[prime elk]

chatgpt would do better than tanner

[nocturne dust]

I find it scary to think there are people worse than tanner at builds

[flint pawn]

I.. kinda would agree with this list

oh god

am I beyond saving

[prime elk]

possibly

[latent mauve]

Meet engee

[flint pawn]

I actually watched the full 2h video too

[prime elk]

better detox

[flint pawn]

I agreed with just about all of it once I heard him out

[prime elk]

he's very good at what he does

[latent mauve]

Remember guys

[prime elk]

spreading heresy

[latent mauve]

Duelist sucks

https://tenor.com/view/disappointed-cat-upset-annoyed-perturbed-gif-2678264647403754706

[nocturne dust]

It does because I never hit weakspots

[atomic swan]

Excuse me what is this abomination

[nocturne dust]

why are rock and box in their own category

[flint pawn]

Regardless of your thoughts on him or his takes I think the very bottom of that tier list is universally agreeable

(that's Loner)

[prime elk]

hard to get that one wrong just because of zealot reputation lol

[latent mauve]

Actually unhinged

[atomic swan]

zealot blade is D what da hell

[nocturne dust]

I mean, loner isn't great but I don't think the 'die die die' is warranted.

[flint pawn]

the reasoning was because "casual players can't aim" in his words

[latent mauve]

Loner is just the weakest aura by far

[flint pawn]

and also encourages bad habits

[prime elk]

he's prob projecting

[flint pawn]

I think it was also something like build dependent or whatever to make it shine

[atomic swan]

sure meanwhile most of the enemies are standing still when attackin

[flint pawn]

idk the full two hour video isn't in my memory entirely

[atomic swan]

sure i cant hit my shot

[flint pawn]

I want to comment but I'm gonna be real here

Zealot is my least played class and it's because I mostly hate the class with the exception of the thunder hammer

[latent mauve]

I should make darktide build guides for zealot

[flint pawn]

so anything related to Zealot I am NOT qualified to talk about

except the fact that loner rushers suck and should be removed

[nocturne dust]

Make big Zealot guide like the Psykers and ogryns

[latent mauve]

Ranged mostly player detected

[latent mauve]

I already am

[prime elk]

you should, zealot is the only class missing a comprehensive class guide

[patent mango]

wheres the psyker force hammer

[latent mauve]

I wouldn’t count ogryns as comprehensive

[flint pawn]

Psyker is my pain, yeah, but I also prefer tanks whenever possible so I like Ogryn and bulky Vet too

[nocturne dust]

Do vets have a comprehensive guide?

[latent mauve]

Coherency regen on curios

[flint pawn]

Psyker is my MAIN but pain is funnier

[prime elk]

yes, it's 100 pages. check pins in vet channel.

[latent mauve]

Never living down that cope

[nocturne dust]

[patent mango]

as big as the rain world movement doc...

[latent mauve]

It’s 100 pages because path is insane

[prime elk]

dude spent at least half a year on it

[flint pawn]

I don't run tough regen % on anyone anymore

I realize as a quickplayer with no friends to play with I can't trust anyone to be in coherency so what's the point

[prime elk]

hot take, but i think the ogrynomicon isn't too far off the mark with toughness regen

[nocturne dust]

Man, I could never do that, especially when a single update could just invalidate a lot of it.

[prime elk]

yeah he's just insane

[flint pawn]

I will give you one thing

If there's any class that WOULD be worth considering toughness regen speed

[latent mauve]

Coherency regen relies on you playing back line bitch to work

[flint pawn]

it's Ogryn

because of the sheer number of passives they have boosting it

[nocturne dust]

I agree, but on psyker.

[latent mauve]

Because it is slot related

[prime elk]

i never took toughness regen, but after trying it, i actually like it

[flint pawn]

and the sheer amount of damage reduction that ogryn's have for toughness

[latent mauve]

Just attack lmao

[flint pawn]

They have an innate -36% damage to their toughness bar

[nocturne dust]

I like toughness regen on psyker. Idk about using it on other classes, is kinda

[latent mauve]

Ogryn has the most offensive sustain

Zealot defensive

[flint pawn]

and they're tanky too

and that's why I play it

because when my internet inevitably tries to fuck me over

Ogryn's probably the class that would survive the fallout

[nocturne dust]

I play psyker so when the game decides to kill my connection I can instantly die

[flint pawn]

other than like until death zealot or something

[nocturne dust]

[latent mauve]

Coherency regen requires 0 enemies on screen or you to be behind all of your team and not have a single stealth user on the team

[vernal blaze]

am i tweaking or can i not swap weapons mid charge anymore

brain burst and purge staff charge ups used to be cancellable with a q couldnt it

[nocturne dust]

No?

[latent mauve]

Yeah

[vernal blaze]

you didnt have to manually release the charge

[latent mauve]

Coherency regen is slot related

[nocturne dust]

Wdym? You're talking about toughness regen?

[latent mauve]

The curio perk

It’s exclusively related to coherency regen

[nocturne dust]

I'm aware, yes.

And you only need 1 guy nearby for it to do something.

[latent mauve]

Yeah and that is only applied if there are no enemies slotted on you

[flint pawn]

that something isn't a whole lot still unless you're an ogryn unfortunately

[latent mauve]

[nocturne dust]

I mean, with 90% it literally upticks in the middle of the battle all the time

[latent mauve]

Hence no stealth users, playing back line so you have no melee enemies locked on you or all dead enemies

[nocturne dust]

or just don't take hits, which you want to really not do as psyker anyway 🤷‍♂️

[flint pawn]

Ogryn having so many toughness replenishment passives makes me sad

Not upset with the design decision because it makes sense

[latent mauve]

Ogryn players who die in melee despite ogryn having the most melee sustain makes me laugh

[flint pawn]

they're big friends, they wanna be in range of their friends

[latent mauve]

1k+ true level ogryns and under 25 dodges, a tale as old as time

[flint pawn]

but replenishment just sucks man

[flint pawn]

I didn't know there was a way to see how many times people dodge lol

[latent mauve]

PowerDI

[flint pawn]

ooh interesting

does this interact well with the scoreboard mod or do I not really need it with this

[nocturne dust]

You can have both

I use both, scoreboard is an easier summary and PowerDI is for if you are curious about specific details

[flint pawn]

gotcha

[latent mauve]

I use scoreboard as a scoreboard and powerdi for testing builds

[flint pawn]

this is neat, thank you

[latent mauve]

Engee is just a robot that shits out garbage @narrow herald this still haunts me

[atomic swan]

I think tanner just focus on base value
but i still disagree something

[ripe obsidian]

Hm. The Voidstrike's RMB does not do more damage than LMB if you don't charge it at least partially

[nocturne dust]

...yes

[flint pawn]

creature spawner trials are a lot of fun

[ripe obsidian]

Hey, I am dumb sometimes.

I need to get better about choosing when to use LMB I guess

[flint pawn]

no hordes in my horde clear game? :(

[latent mauve]

Scrapped conditions

[flint pawn]

oh right

like the one that spawned really few enemies but hte ones that did spawn were like gigabuffed and it was the easiest most boring mission ever

[latent mauve]

My ideal would be I-II-M-XV-A

[latent mauve]

Elite resistance

[flint pawn]

yeah

good riddance to that

it was really bad

[strong gulch]

You know... I really should have put it together that elite resistance is gone and not just "huh, I haven't seen it in awhile, kinda weird".

[buoyant maple]

I'm being as comprehensive as I can

[buoyant maple]

yea, it's prob as comprehensive as it gets

[nocturne dust]

You sure? It's only 100 pages, not even 200. Smh my head.

[buoyant maple]

I have major stagger breakpoints listed for every weapon available on veteran

even going into color codes on whether it needs weakspot hit or if it's too slow to pull off/take effect

[nocturne dust]

Are you alright?

[buoyant maple]

I have every melee weapons' cleave values listed as well

and radar charts for every weapons' general performance metrics

[nocturne dust]

Well, I definitely admire the effort you've put into it.

[buoyant maple]

I can very safely say that my guide is as comprehensive as it gets

it prob benefits non-veteran players too

I have an entire section dedicated to just game mechanics

[buoyant maple]

it's also gonna prob reach into 120 ish pages?
that's after condensing it a lot and removing useless info

if every example build takes 2 pages, that'll be ~120

I used to have paragraphs like Ogrynomicon about whether a talent/blessing is good or not

scrapped that entirely

[potent echo]

Those things are way too subjective

[buoyant maple]

now talents just get a tier list

[potent echo]

Or just like don't

[buoyant maple]

veteran talents are very easy to sort into a tier list fashion because the bait talents are way too obvious

iron will, inspiring presence and demo team are the same row on the same branch

[nocturne dust]

aw, I like explanations of opinions

[buoyant maple]

I do have plenty of explanations

and I do have some explanations of opinions

[potent echo]

I'm waiting for the day NIST releases tier lists

[buoyant maple]

if a weapon has rending strikes as one of its "important talents", I will specify which armor type it's taken for

that's as much explanation I'm willing to give

[buoyant maple]

talent tier list example

[latent mauve]

Mine is much more simple

Dclaw

Flak maniac or flak unyielding

Shred rampage

Moveset

[buoyant maple]

that's pretty much exactly what I did

[latent mauve]

And a beginners guide (pls dodge)

[latent mauve]

The 1 sucks

[buoyant maple]

it could be so cool if parry and L3 chained into a unique heavy overhead (not normally accessible in heavy atk chain) that also loops L3

[potent echo]

I would say Rashad has higher safety than claw because the push attack staggers ragers

Idk how valuable overhead defense is when you could just dodge

[ornate hamlet]

is duelling sword good?

and are there better alternatives

[buoyant maple]

it's broken strong

[ornate hamlet]

bruh

[nocturne dust]

not for single targets

[vernal blaze]

i wonder how this is gonna go

[ornate hamlet]

i was gonna buy a combat knife over it

[ornate hamlet]

i use my staff for single dw

[vernal blaze]

knife is more fun

[buoyant maple]

knife on psyker is basically just for movement

[vernal blaze]

nothing wrong with knife

[buoyant maple]

it's not nearly as good dmg as duelling sword

[ornate hamlet]

i wanna be able to help with hordes that's all

[vernal blaze]

you still can

[nocturne dust]

knife won't do that very well

[ornate hamlet]

is it okay if i buy the duelling sword from sire melk

i mean spend all my currency

on the sword

[vernal blaze]

melk or brunt

[ornate hamlet]

melk

^300 duelling sword

purple

[ornate hamlet]

:<

[nocturne dust]

Psyker doesn't have great horde clear melee. Illisi and chainsword are among the best.

[ornate hamlet]

neither are available unfortunately

[nocturne dust]

Illisi is the common recommendation because it works with psyker's tree

[ornate hamlet]

snd the illisi im using is ^100 purple

and*

[nocturne dust]

If you're not even at max level I would not worry about builds then.

[ornate hamlet]

i wanna be stronger!!

[nocturne dust]

Get stronger by levelling.

[ornate hamlet]

im already at 18

[nocturne dust]

Now get to 30.

[ornate hamlet]

i need to do malice missions without hating myself

[potent echo]

Illisi with uncanny just handles everything (but not really bosses)

[nocturne dust]

not really

It tries to

It really tries

[fiery stratus]

Getting level 30 is kinda just the start in this game, it gives you the full potential of your build.

[potent echo]

3 heavies to the head is okay

For crushers

[fiery stratus]

Everything up to then is kinda throw away

[potent echo]

It's like psyker rashad

[nocturne dust]

Yeah, it doesn't make any sense to try to make a build before 30. You'll be replacing equipment pretty quickly anyway with whatever you happen to acquire.

[potent echo]

Also my caveat is gaze/DD/malefic buffs up

Without those it's underwhelming

[nocturne dust]

And you also just need to practice the basics like dodging and sliding, that's far more important than any build.

[ornate hamlet]

ok i cant buy it rn but i have 2 swords im confused on in my inventory
purple ^100 illisi
or blue ^260 heavy sword?

[nocturne dust]

It's up to you which to use. I would use the heavy sword just because illisi without uncanny or slaughterer is

[potent echo]

Heavysword without brumo is also

[nocturne dust]

This is also true, but it has bigger number

[turbid hemlock]

does sustained fire blessing count for the shock attack on the surge staff? or just the left click attack

[potent echo]

Honestly play whatever you like until 30

[ornate hamlet]

i have deflector illisi...

[potent echo]

Then use illisi

[ornate hamlet]

but

but

he said

[nocturne dust]

🤷‍♂️ As I said, it really doesn't matter

[fiery stratus]

the weapon scaling in this game makes it so within 5 levels or so, your weapons will be bad

[nocturne dust]

You can't create a real build yet, and it's going to be a matter of (bad) taste because everything is going to be half-functioning

[fiery stratus]

you'll get lower tier weapons that will have higher damage

[ornate hamlet]

grr

I'll just take the higher number then

also is 300 the max

for weapon rating

[fiery stratus]

its moreso down to moveset tbh

[nocturne dust]

500 is max

[ornate hamlet]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/770418379110350898.webp?size=48

[fiery stratus]

illisi has heavy attack horizontals if i remember correctly

[ornate hamlet]

i have a long way to go..

[fiery stratus]

its a decent weapon to learn with

[ornate hamlet]

i never use heavies

[fiery stratus]

you should

[nocturne dust]

Just take it slow and don't burn yourself out. You'll be levelled in no time.

[potent echo]

Play game more

[nocturne dust]

You absolutely should learn to use heavies when they're appropriate. (When they're appropriate depends on the weapon and mark)

[fiery stratus]

Heavy attacks are very important, a good way to start learning is to time your heavy attack, and dodge the same direction it comes out

try to time those

thatll give you a general idea of the rhythm of the game

[potent echo]

You don't need to do that though, I rather save dodges for actually dodging

[nocturne dust]

It also can become quicker to level later classes because you have the basic skills to run higher difficulties more easily.

[latent mauve]

Use assail

[potent echo]

Tru

[fiery stratus]

For clearing it gives you a general idea of movement and how to clear

[nocturne dust]

Assail below damnation is just unfair

[latent mauve]

I beat a malice solo with ep assail only

[potent echo]

Put assail on like "3" and not G lol

[latent mauve]

The boss fights sucked so hard

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1046913589614747719/1284620687012659200/4x-2.gif

[potent echo]

Why would you do this to yourself

[latent mauve]

Extremely boredom

[fiery stratus]

@ornate hamlet try to use heavy attacks in combo with sliding. You can hold a heavy attack and slide in for a hit, a good fundamental for this game

[solar ocean]

What's good with Scryer's Gaze? Trying to find a build since the update, but it's all older stuff.

[split lance]

Staffs. Recon lasgun. Vraks mk5

Staffs are a lil harder bc you can go boom but definitely very strong

[fiery stratus]

Disrupt Destiny Tree

[solar ocean]

Yeah, I figured. I've been trying to use infantry autoguns, but the ammo capacity hurts

lemme try Vraks

[potent echo]

Don't shoot at horde and you good

[fiery stratus]

i use assail for cc and agripinaa revolver

the hipfire one

[split lance]

Bistol > revolver

[fiery stratus]

nah

zarona boring

[potent echo]

Revolver yolo fish for crits

[fiery stratus]

hipfire good

[potent echo]

Either kill 0 or 3 crushers per burst

[fiery stratus]

hipfire go popopop

not efficient fuck at

fun

but tbh assail handles a lot of it

i dont have ammo issues

duelling sword also does stabby

[potent echo]

Yea assail for general clear, gun for mixed elite/specials

Also actually scavenge for ammo and not just hold W and wonder why you don't have any ammo

[fiery stratus]

^

also playing with randoms be the first to it, people dont share sometimes

[solar ocean]

I don't think I've used assail that much

It's mostly been brainburst and walls

How do you use assail? Charge it vs armored or just spam it?

[fiery stratus]

Assail with scriers gaze is very good, itll kill packs of ragers, gunners ect

[solar ocean]

Oh it stacks with sciers?

[fiery stratus]

assail doesnt work against carapace

[solar ocean]

or rather I won't blow up?

[fiery stratus]

It can, gotta be a little careful with it

[potent echo]

I use it with warp unbound

[fiery stratus]

you can dump it but itll reach its limit

[potent echo]

With malefic gets kinda nutty

[fiery stratus]

after it hits 100 itll come back down but you can still overload it if you shoot too much

but you just regulate

[solar ocean]

heck. anyone got an assail/scriers build I can copy? I haven't tried this playstyle yet lmao I wanna do it now

additional targets or faster recharge?

[fiery stratus]

sec ill have to get my tree unless someone else links

loading

[solar ocean]

thank you

[fiery stratus]

oop

wrong format

[molten prawn]

Ive been trying a sciers warp siphon electro staff build

[fiery stratus]

there we go

Pretty similar

Theres some things you can give and take on depending on preference

[potent echo]

No crack of the bone 🥹

[atomic swan]

I cant give you opinion because i am Perilous Combustion hater

[verbal thistle]

No warp rider?

[hearty laurel]

which blessings would y'all suggest for the obscurus force sword?

odd choice, yes, i know. i've been experimenting

[solar ocean]

Late reply, but tyvm lol this is what I was looking for

[atomic swan]

depends on playstyle
cant go wrong with Uncanny
Slaughterer for horde cleaning
Deflector for utility, etc

[potent echo]

Uncanny slaughterer is the standard

It will do horde/elite at a subpar level but viable

[nocturne dust]

Can you imagine if Fatshark made a weapon that was unviable?

[potent echo]

SAP

[nocturne dust]

Nah, shredder works... it sucks, but you can use it. I carried a vet using it just yesterday

[radiant frigate]

is shredder just a shittier vraks iag

[ripe obsidian]

Yes

[austere warren]

What's that bolt pistol setup. :>

[ripe obsidian]

For psyker probably surgical/puncture, I would think.

And I guess flak/maniac

[radiant frigate]

i love striking critically and applying bleed

[ripe obsidian]

Y'know, I agree.

[radiant frigate]

🤝

[ornate hamlet]

what's +1 wound

[ripe obsidian]

Another block of HP. It does not increase your HP.

It means you can go down 1 more time before dying

[ornate hamlet]

oh

that's

kinda useless

[ripe obsidian]

It's not great unless you're a Martyr Zealot

They get bonuses for missing wounds

[ornate hamlet]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1257729761149587528.webp?size=48

wish i picked zealot

[ripe obsidian]

You can make a zealot if you wish

[spice veldt]

your will is not crystalline

[ripe obsidian]

The game has 5(?) character slots by default. You can get more with a mod

[ripe obsidian]

My will is play-doh, which is why I blow myself up every other mission

[split lance]

Samesies

[radiant frigate]

play-doh will should be more resistant to exploding than crystalline will
crystals are a lot more brittle than play-doh

[ripe obsidian]

Your logic is flawless

[nocturne dust]

Imagine blowing up
- This Post Made By Overquellers Anonymous

[ripe obsidian]

I did test it. The Zealot relic does not help with peril. Zealots are weaker than Sigmar's Favorite Boy, Saltzy

[radiant frigate]

(insert metal here) will would have been a better name for the talent

[nocturne dust]

Idk, I'm pretty sure if you dropped a Zealot in VT2 they would outperform Saltzy

and Saltzy would freaking die in Darktide

[radiant frigate]

weird considering that they are much the same

anyway if anything this shows that sigmar > the emperor

[nocturne dust]

It's because, imo, Darktide is just faster paced and more ranged (and Saltz does not know how to dodge slide)

[hearty laurel]

oh alright thank you both @atomic swan

[nocturne dust]

https://tenor.com/view/tf2-heavy-meet-the-heavy-bullet-outsmart-bullet-gif-20206045

[solar ocean]

That's Ogryn mindset

[radiant frigate]

saltz knows how to block ranged attacks without a shield however (barring ratling guns)

[ripe obsidian]

Saltz also gets to heal his team in hordes

[nocturne dust]

Yeah but he gets a loooooooooong cooldown

compared to shout vet or crit book

[radiant frigate]

vets have some lungs on them

[nocturne dust]

So you're telling me guns aren't blocked by Saltz

[ripe obsidian]

I thought Saltz shield did block ratling guns?

[nocturne dust]

Shield do

[radiant frigate]

I'm saying he could block shooters but not gunners

half-deflector

[ripe obsidian]

You underestimate the power of Sigmar

[radiant frigate]

shield yes but nonshield no

(all weapons can block ungor archers)

[ripe obsidian]

Imagine if Zealots in this game could have double-melee with their throwing knives.

(Ignoring dying alone and afraid to gunners)

[nocturne dust]

I disagree, ungor archers have projectiles so slow I could cut them in half

I don't think it transfers to being able to block regular shooters, and in fact it would be an argument for Zealot to be able to block ungor archers

Not that the dodge slider needs it

[radiant frigate]

i never dodge slide

[radiant frigate]

it would indeed not

why dodge slide when i have dodge and sprint slide

am i aiming to get to the gunners? sprint slide

am i looking to run from them? sprint slide

[ripe obsidian]

Dodge slide is important. How else will you use all of your effective dodges in two seconds then get surrounded?

[radiant frigate]

true i had not considered that

[nocturne dust]

Well, I mean, when I say 'dodge slide' I'm using it as a catch-all for all the sliding and dodging one may do

not the specific dodge-slide squat weirdness

[radiant frigate]

when i say dodge slide i mean that weird stumbling maneuver some people do where they lose their footing when dodging and land on their ass

it is generally recommended to keep your ass off the floor

not good for you because floor wins every time

[potent echo]

Dodge slide is when I panic dodge from trapper/hound sound cue

[ripe obsidian]

Yes. And then you slide into a wall and get trapper'd anyway

[flint pawn]

see the jokes on you all

I dodge slide into the trapper's net and get caught anyway

so there

[strong gulch]

Dodge slide into objects and get stuck under them.

Get eaten by medicae

[potent echo]

[flint pawn]

heavy the poxburster and send the entire team off a ledge, as zealots have taught me darktide is a singleplayer game anyway

[potent echo]

True

[atomic swan]

Gravity
noooo

[nimble lily]

Boss was on his last shield break on auric damn hishock magistrate oubliette and I hear all 3 team mates go down and I cant clutch it out

[ripe obsidian]

You failed the emperor. >:(

[nimble lily]

[plucky flax]

No KD?

[flint pawn]

Quickplayed into a lobby for rolling steel with 3 knife zealots

I think that's a good sign to stop playing the game

for today

[plucky flax]

Stealth knife zealot is really good on train.

That's my carry train build.

[flint pawn]

I want to believe you

but every time I have gone into it with a Knife Zealot, soemthing has gone wrong

I can't put my faith in three of them

I just can't do it

[inland magnet]

Chain Axe or Heavy sword any good with Psyker?

I kinda like the slanted chain axe combos, but I've never used it

[flint pawn]

Heavy Sword seems pretty standalone decent I think but I haven't used it a ton

[nocturne dust]

Faith is the most important thing for Zealot so that's where you went wrong

[nocturne dust]

no

[flint pawn]

Whenever I put my faith in zealots I am let down

I put my faith in the emperor, not in those devoted to him

[left hare]

Can i make my psyker tankier

[nocturne dust]

I mean, probably, but how much damage are you willing to sacrifice?

Rather than try to make the glass cannon class not a glass cannon, I would just use Zealot/Ogryn

[potent echo]

How do you deal with the mid event power cell retrieval shooter spam sniper corridor nonsense

[plucky flax]

STEALLTTHH

[potent echo]

[flint pawn]

Guys I've got it

[nocturne dust]

I think purg with bubble is the go-to build for train, knife zealot is only good if you're capable of soloing

[flint pawn]

Give surge a blessing that literally just makes the charged attack hit twice but cost 2x peril

It's a lightning staff

Lightning strikes twice

[nocturne dust]

so... surge but rmb

What literally everyone wanted

[flint pawn]

No no let me cook further

Let it stack with surge too

So up to 4 hits

I promise this is balanced

[nocturne dust]

I mean, surge without nexus is....

[flint pawn]

Shhhh

We gamble around here.

[slate oasis]

thoughts on using scrier's gaze with voidstrike?

[nocturne dust]

I never gamble

[flint pawn]

Pathetic

ALWAYS gamble

[nocturne dust]

That's the voidstrike build, yes

[potent echo]

Yea burger should be pretty good on train

Gunners? Lol, lmao

[flint pawn]

99% of gamblers quit before hitting it big

[potent echo]

I ended up going back to creeping

[nocturne dust]

https://tenor.com/view/this-is-fine-fire-house-burning-okay-gif-5263684

[flint pawn]

Warp Nexus is temporary, gambling is forever

[nocturne dust]

Scrier's is useful on voidstrike specifically because voidstrike, unlike the other staves excluding surge, doesn't have infinite cleave. If you can line up enemies, it's more effective than shriek. The issue is lining up enemies can be pretty hard, so shriek has plenty of room to still be useful and more meta.

[nocturne dust]

You're temporary.

[flint pawn]

So what I'm hearing is infinite cleave Surge. Got it

[nocturne dust]

"unlike the other staves excluding surge, doesn't have infinite cleave"

[flint pawn]

Exactly, so we make it infinite

No one likes smite anyway

[nocturne dust]

smite has a target limit iirc

[flint pawn]

Sometimes I miss the old surge staff

[nocturne dust]

basically just smite

[potent echo]

No you don't

[flint pawn]

But it actually killed things :(

[potent echo]

How old we talkin

👴

[flint pawn]

8 target surge

[potent echo]

That was like 2-3 surge per dreg shooter

[flint pawn]

But you hit all of them

And that was nice

Smite takes line 8 years

[potent echo]

But also not really because only 1 target took the main damage

[nocturne dust]

I dunno if you have noticed, but the game definitely spawns more than 8 dreg shooters at a time now

[potent echo]

Or something like that

[flint pawn]

Surge took like 4 clicks

[flint pawn]

Uh we don't talk about that

That's not real

[strong gulch]

The orc monster mugs are so cute!

[flint pawn]

Anyways, windfury weapon surge staff is the future

[potent echo]

I never noticed the mug holding a mug

[ripe obsidian]

Orktide when

[potent echo]

Ork tide dlc

[flint pawn]

Bought immediately

[ripe obsidian]

I'd pay for that

There are so many 40k factions. Let's have anything that isn't more Nurgle

[potent echo]

Still waiting for slaneesh games

[ripe obsidian]

The ESRB would clutch their pearls so hard

[potent echo]

40k is just sexless

[ripe obsidian]

This is a puritan establishment. Sex is a myth.

Use your mind for more important things, like rooting out heresy

[potent echo]

Isn't the empire of man the biggest faction in terms of numbers

I wonder how they got to this point

[ripe obsidian]

https://old.reddit.com/r/DarkTide/comments/1g93k0e/power_sword_force_sword_thunder_hammer/

Joy

[potent echo]

Hmmm

[ripe obsidian]

Probably not. Tyranids then Orks is my guess.

[potent echo]

Understandable

[ripe obsidian]

I use Illisi special spam to get peril back up. I want it back

[nocturne dust]

It's completely unclear, but the Empire of Man does span a huge portion of the galaxy with questionable amounts of control

[ripe obsidian]

Aren't both Tyranids and Orks multi-galactic?

Tbh I don't know deep 40k lore

[nocturne dust]

Tyranids are, not sure about Orks

but also Tyranids will have as many numbers as is needed for the writers, lol

[ripe obsidian]

I have heard that the most likely endgame of 40k, if it were actually to progress, is 'Nids and Orks battling forever over the corpses of the other factions

[ripe obsidian]

Yeah. 40k is very much a setting that changes drastically based on the author and story

(And honestly, most of the writing is... not amazing)

[nocturne dust]

Idk about that. The end fate of every faction is super ambiguous.

[ripe obsidian]

If it were not ambiguous, they might sell fewer models.

[nocturne dust]

The Imperium is on a slow decline, yes, but also the Imperium has a potential god forming

[potent echo]

They still have the "emergency break glass" left

If interests ever drop below critical levels they just need to bring back bigE

[nocturne dust]

In case of emergency, nuke Terra and Mars

[potent echo]

[ripe obsidian]

The Man-Emperor of Mankind is not a god, thanks very much

[potent echo]

Heretic

[nocturne dust]

Heretic.

[ripe obsidian]

He says it himself!

Repeatedly!

[potent echo]

Just like kitten said, this is not canon

[ripe obsidian]

It's not my fault you follow false prophets.

[nocturne dust]

Does a true god call itself such?

[ripe obsidian]

Yes?

[nocturne dust]

Nay, heretic.

[potent echo]

How does the god know it's a god though

[ripe obsidian]

https://tenor.com/view/power-aladdin-disney-unlimited-cosmic-power-genie-gif-5266474

[potent echo]

Inb4 godhood is a spectrum

[austere warren]

Well shit, I learned that devil claw isn't shit. I am corrected.

Sword nice

[paper sparrow]

thats the parry sword, right ? i got one as a mission reward but wasnt sure if it was worth using on psyker

[potent echo]

Why not

I rather have heavysword nowadays though

[nocturne dust]

It is, but only if you have kinetic deflection

[nocturne dust]

The only reason to take Devil's Claw is to play defensively and heavy sword doesn't do that.

[paper sparrow]

i usually have the force sword with deflector but im trying to step away from that and just Be Better so maybe i'll try that :3c

i like the look of hte devils claw sword a lot

[prime elk]

aside from the gimmick it's pretty mid

the gimmick is nice to have sometimes though

[clear heath]

idk every time i try to parry with devils claw, a smyker gets summoned to my side to stun the thing that i was trying to parry

[prime elk]

you really just want to save the parry for elites usually

[paper sparrow]

worst case i just grind it for mastery ^_^

[nocturne dust]

I mean the parry is the whole thing, yes

and I really only pull it out for when I get surrounded by a pack of crushers/maulers/ragers

[prime elk]

it's ok as an oh-shit defensive sidearm

[nocturne dust]

It's a defensive tool and should be used as such for a ranged-focus build

[prime elk]

yeah would not run it as a main

[nocturne dust]

I wouldn't recommend it if you're trying to run meleeker, yeah

but then, I wouldn't recommend meleeker

[potent echo]

Meleeker is crazy

Because assail exists

Meleeker is more like assailker

[strong gulch]

I dislike the word meleeker.

[paper sparrow]

it feels so bad in the mouth D:

[strong gulch]

Stabker

Stryker

[radiant frigate]

it is not a word

stryker i can agree with

i usually just go with magus

[nocturne dust]

May Lay Cur

[radiant frigate]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/283579612695625729/1169005718142206052/sienna_awakens.gif

[paper sparrow]

agony

[potent echo]

Psylee

[paper sparrow]

somehow thats worse

[potent echo]

Anyone seeing it for the first time just have no idea what it means

[nocturne dust]

I mean, I would say the same for Stryker

[ornate hamlet]

why did sienna become a necromancer

[nocturne dust]

which is why meleeker, gunker, assailker, etc.

[spice veldt]

whacker

[paper sparrow]

i think smyker rolls off the tongue so well, the rest u_u less so

[potent echo]

Goonker

[nocturne dust]

smiteker

[paper sparrow]

https://tenor.com/view/sunakook-cat-screaming-gif-25279230

[ornate hamlet]

WE UP ALL NIGHT TO GET GUNKY

[nocturne dust]

https://tenor.com/view/no-saltzpyre-gif-3758055130217920575

[plucky flax]

Same with gunker

90% assail 10% gun

[ornate hamlet]

okay so, let me say something

Saltzpyre opens the book and there's a picture on the right

naturally he'd open the book on the correct orientation and it's readable to him

but why is it that when he shows the "no", the image is on the left page of the book instead of the right?

[patent jacinth]

It’s a different picture

That’s weird

I hate it

[ornate hamlet]

did the flip the page

what has transpired in that fraction of a second

https://tenor.com/view/this-is-glorpshit-amaryllei-gif-11210284859186783751

[patent jacinth]

He is also doing this blind

He can’t see the book when he opens it in the first place

[ornate hamlet]

true, he actually cannot see the book

is he being guided by sigmar

is sigmar a fucking idiot

[patent jacinth]

Or he just knows it that well

[ornate hamlet]

clearly he doesn't

[patent jacinth]

Basically

[ornate hamlet]

he opens it on the wrong page

[left hare]

so are zealots just us but better

[nocturne dust]

It's holy magic, obviously

[nocturne dust]

I mean, I've yet to see a Zealot annihilate whole swathes of the map at range and then die to being tapped by a noodle

Psykers are glass cannons, it's what we do. Our DPS outstrips all but the most meta of builds on other classes, but we'll never be as tanky.

[left hare]

i guess, i've honestly never noticed till i tried zealot but our horde clear is so effortless cos our dmg is so damn high

[quartz barn]

Psyk horde clear is way better?

Depends on the setup however

[nocturne dust]

Creeping flames goes bbbbbrrrrrrrrr

[quartz barn]

But then again the same applies to zealot

[sour nest]

I'm pretty sure that's what they're saying.

[left hare]

i'm comparing like thammer to deimos

[nocturne dust]

I mean, that's a bad comparison because Psyker is very much a ranged class.

[left hare]

so many bonks but deimos is like butter cutting

creeping flames is nutty

no wonder everyone uses it

just a begone horde

[quartz barn]

Begone everything lmao

Even random snipers die to wildfire alone

[nocturne dust]

Even without creeping flames, staves are still strong enough to output stupid damage. The only problem is we lack any damage when it comes to bosses unless you embrace gunker, and that's heresy.

[quartz barn]

And thats seen as a wasted stat point

[left hare]

how do i do trauma staff stagger lock

i cant seem to get the rythm

[nocturne dust]

Point at feet, wait for backstab noise, click

repeat

[quartz barn]

Ngl i just spam rmb

[left hare]

dont u need to charge it

[nocturne dust]

I mean you can definitely do that and it's less risky

[quartz barn]

Why care about stagger lock when you can stack more fire

[nocturne dust]

Yes, but if you spam rmb it will charge to the min

[quartz barn]

Ye ok atleast charge it

[left hare]

do i need to quell cancel while doing this

[nocturne dust]

no

quell cancelling is dumb and not worth the finger pain on any build

[quartz barn]

Meant it more as in charge rmb without care

With warp charges theres no need to quell

[nocturne dust]

btw when I say point at feet, that generally means your own feet if you're in danger

[left hare]

if i do trauma staff what can i use for gunners or monstros

[quartz barn]

Shrieks uptime is so high on auric that you can max peril > shriek > repeat

[nocturne dust]

Use trauma for gunners

lmb still works if they're far, or be leet and do a hop

[left hare]

a hop?

[nocturne dust]

monsters you try to soulblaze and then hit with sword, especially if they're not the only target because the blaze will help kill enemies

[nocturne dust]

jumping extends your range, trauma is lobbing a grenade essentially

[left hare]

so charge it look down aim forward

once its on gunner pop

[nocturne dust]

Yeah, just boof the gunner with the space magic

[left hare]

do i want shriek with trauma also?

[nocturne dust]

If they're out of range, you either hop or sprint-slide while charging

[nocturne dust]

Every staff wants shriek

so yes

[left hare]

brain burst?

[nocturne dust]

Only voidstrike can use scrier's to some effectiveness

but even then, shriek is probably still more meta

[nocturne dust]

Si, BB with flayer

[left hare]

whats si

[nocturne dust]

Spanish for yes

[left hare]

oh thought it was abbreviation

[nocturne dust]

no, lol

[heavy bane]

how to horde with electro staff RMB ? the force sword ?

[nocturne dust]

creeping flames venting shriek

[heavy bane]

is it ever worth taking anything other than venting on a staff build?

[nocturne dust]

Voidstrike can use scrier's, purg can work with bubble

[quartz barn]

Bubble can be used on anything tbh

[nocturne dust]

It can be, but surge and fire trauma both really want shriek

[quartz barn]

And scrier on void is overkill, and actually lowers dmg output since you have to match scriers peril gain

[nocturne dust]

Scrier's doesn't lower dmg output of the staff, and theoretically speaking it will boost your damage higher than shriek. The issue is you just need enemies to be in a perfect line for that to work.

[quartz barn]

Ye but i almost exclusively use void when i run it, and scriers heavily hindered that

[nocturne dust]

Idk what you mean?

[quartz barn]

Enemies lining up is cool and all but you dont need scriers buff vs hordes

[nocturne dust]

surge voidstrike

crit chance good

[quartz barn]

You already oneshot all elites

[nocturne dust]

Untrue

[quartz barn]

Well ofc, surge nexus gaming

[nocturne dust]

As much as I wish voidstrike just dumpstered all elites easily, it doesn't even at full charge.

And that's the thing: you don't need full charge with Scrier's.

[quartz barn]

Too bad you can only shoot twice before you have to quell, starting at 0 peril

[summer prairie]

the annoying part is that your cleave scales with charge time too, hard to tell what's optimal

[slate oasis]

I like bubble with voidstrike. put down the bubble and safely kill all the ranged things that might be giving people trouble. I find it very handy

[quartz barn]

Thats my setup, assail, bubble and dd

[nocturne dust]

ER and 10 seconds of unmitigated murder just works

https://tenor.com/view/todd-howard-it-just-works-bethesda-this-all-just-works-gif-20598651

[quartz barn]

But this only helps vs a crusher / bulwark patrol...

[nocturne dust]

or any auric

where the game just spams all the things at you

🤷‍♂️

[quartz barn]

The only other thing you'll have issues with is the flamer because of their health

[nocturne dust]

Flamer? You mean mutie?

[quartz barn]

I solo a side with void on auric all the time

[nocturne dust]

Idk what you mean by 'solo a side'. If you mean you keep the back clear, that's really not that hard.

[quartz barn]

Either front or back, doesnt really matter

You'll wipe the entire lane with ease with void

[nocturne dust]

Sure.

[quartz barn]

At worst stuff just gets knocked down when you dont kill them

[nocturne dust]

Not entirely true, sometimes the game just spams that many enemies at you

[quartz barn]

And thats why scrier is suboptimal

Because theres way more downtime due to scriers peril gain

WU just delays that by those 10 sec

[nocturne dust]

Only if you're constantly fighting peril gain

but you shouldn't do that, you should take advantage of WU and then have scrier's ready again through psykinetics

[quartz barn]

Which still requires a lot of quelling to get more use out of scriers

Because otherwise the second cast just lasts 10 sec xd

[stuck sinew]

Idk man I think the 10 seconds of no quelling makes up for that

[quartz barn]

So i dont see the point

[nocturne dust]

Sure, but it's not that much quelling unless you're dumping quell speed which, y'know, you shouldn't

and you do get a whole 10 seconds of no quelling before that

[summer prairie]

if you don't quell during scrier's it's not any more quelling than normally

slightly more i guess due to no shout quell

maybe not even due to 11.5s free casting

[quartz barn]

Tbh regular quell weaving takes a split sec

[nocturne dust]

I would actually go so far as to say Scrier's with WU has you quell less than Shriek

Shriek is only a 50% drop, but you can easily out-do that in WU's duration

[summer prairie]

how long does scrier's last though if you start at 0 and spend the whole duration shooting

[nocturne dust]

Depends on your warp res

which is why blast radius is the dump

[summer prairie]

your WR stat maybe adds 0.5s, if that

[nocturne dust]

Combine it with ER

It is tight on the talent tree though 😔

[atomic swan]

Budget plasma gun is funny
and it only overkill if your team not* has jackshit damage output

[quartz barn]

So its always overkill

[atomic swan]

I dunno
usually i done the horde before they touch my teammates

But i dont think scriers will lower your damage output with voidstrike
I played scriers with void before UnL patch and still fine
It might be suboptimal but at least i found that its working somehow

[atomic swan]

Good for you that always having teammates not bot

[left hare]

is creeping flames a cone

or does it travel along the ground

do i need to look at my target

[summer prairie]

it goes through walls but can have issues with elevation

[tame wasp]

hey guys how can i increase my smite damage?

[upper sun]

ask atlas he loves talking about creeping flames

[upper sun]

warp rider/EP

and play other things than smite

that helps

[tame wasp]

i only use my smite as support

and i just wanna know how i can increase

[upper sun]

darktide doesnt have classes

you just do damage

in different ways

[tame wasp]

ok thanks bro

[upper sun]

if you really wanna play smite warp rider and the middle keystone are your best bet

but imo its not as fun as every other psyker build

[lethal lagoon]

Did someone say elevation?

[upper sun]

GO BACK TO SLEEP

[lethal lagoon]

(Looking up or down does not change the vertical vector, but looking side to side does change the horizontal)

[heavy bane]

is inferno good, I'm trying it rn and it don't feel like I can kill anything other than trash mobs and for any bigger/armored enemy just hope that Kinetic Flayer triggers to damage it

[lethal lagoon]

[tame wasp]

@lethal lagoonhey buddy u know how increase smite damage?

[upper sun]

wake up

[tame wasp]

XD

[lethal lagoon]

Use Empowered Psiconics and Creeping Flames Shriek.

Get EP stack, cast right click smite, hold till 85%, shriek, keep holding smite

Repeat.

[upper sun]

send him your smite build

[lethal lagoon]

send him deez nuts

[upper sun]

FINE

ILL DO IT

[tame wasp]

@lethal lagoonXD

[upper sun]

I meant sending him your balls not the build

[plucky flax]

Use er

Really based talent for ep smite.

And battle med

[tame wasp]

@upper sun😁

[potent echo]

My build only has ER and no BM, feels like its already more than enough

[plucky flax]

Be the smiter

[heavy bane]

Do I have to do this 50 times or is that 0/50 the percentage ?

[quartz barn]

Percentage

You just have to do this once

[heavy bane]

the private requirement is so annoying I have to convince friends to chill on the boss

[upper sun]

are you EU or US

im gonna go get lunch and groceries id be down to help in like 2 hours?

[slate oasis]

it was worse when it wasn't private because people would be hoping to do it during random missions (plus it used to require 90% damage not 50)

more an issue with the penance design, I can't blame people for wanting to complete it

[upper sun]

me throwing 394 different warren missions because their spawns werent bugged 4 months ago

[wind spruce]

Originally it was 100% damage

[upper sun]

aktiually

it was 101%

you had to let the boss heal

[slate oasis]

they must've nerfed it multiple times then. shrug

going out with a bang was even more diabolical

"hey go run into a group of elites and die lol. fuck the mission"

[wind spruce]

This is the way it should be

This philosophy of "penances shouldn't make you have to go out of your way/go against the normal flow of the game" is stupid af

They should be hard and annoying to get or what's the point

[slate oasis]

I'm fine when them being hard and annoying I'm just talking about before they were private only

[mild heath]

If the penances go in the way of your team/etc, then that's bad design.

That's why some of them now private only

[oak breach]

But when the penance requirement is "ask your team to not kill the enemies so you can molest them in whatever way the penance wants you to", then it's starting to feel ridiculous

[wind spruce]

If penances get completed for just playing as you normally would that's far worse design

Heaven forbid you have to co-ordinate to achieve something

[oak breach]

Pushing 7 enemies off a cliff is easy. The actual challenge here is convincing your team to stop swinging for a second so that you can actually do it

[mild heath]

Yeah, but there's definitely some penances that ruined it for other people, like Zealot wound one.

When penances motivate different playstyles = good

when penances go awkward shit like run 100 meters on 1 HP and turn 360 20 times

it goes to private

[wind spruce]

Not if it's just "go use the different thing"

[mild heath]

well its different tree/ability/etc, so it's not just a weapon swap

[wind spruce]

Ooh I killed things in scriers gaze which I was going to do anyway. Brilliant. I am the achieviest.

[summer prairie]

There's nothing difficult about killing a boss with just BB. It's just tedious, annoying and wastes everyone's time and can't be done without every other player agreeing to waste their time

hardly an achievement, you should feel stupid doing that

[mild heath]

that one definitely is

[oak breach]

"I asked my team not to kill stuff so that I could kill it in a different way" isn't very exciting either

[wind spruce]

I mean... your just straight up wrong about that. Especially if you added in that the boss had to heal which was the spark of this discussion

[mild heath]

It would be cool if they reworked some of that stuff, maybe in 10 years or so

[oak breach]

There's a build that lets you do that naturally, if only the penance wasn't Private tbh

[summer prairie]

Not when it was 100%

[wind spruce]

It's difficult to for many teams to kill all the adds without accidentally damaging the boss, especially if you don't drop down to heresy to do it

[oak breach]

Ah, yeah that was nuts, what were they thinking

[summer prairie]

on regular heresy your team can hold block and go afk

I mean sometimes the boss can occur when there are still ads and incoming enemies, but you don't have to do that then

[brazen bramble]

i mean Malleus Monstronum is piss easy after the nerfs anyway

50% is like 6 BBs

on Heresy ofc

[oak breach]

You just use a dmg stim and Kinetic Resonance

[brazen bramble]

yup

i do spite that penance that requires you to BB a pouncing pox hound though

everyone says that they got it naturally but i had to grind 2 days straight for it

because it has an awkward timing and my ping is ass

and i would never get it naturally because its better to kill the dogs with literally anything else but the BB

BB is slow, if dog isnt dead then its probably not amidst a crowd of poxies so BBsting it wont set anyone on soulblaze

literally no benefit over just smacking it with a sword twice

[wind spruce]

BB is great against hounds

[oak breach]

Right click when you hear the howl, left click when you see it

[brazen bramble]

the penance requires you to do it when its pouncing you