psyker-class

[rancid geyser]

like jokes aside, if you wanna vent without recourse just say so

[zinc phoenix]

Tbh DD kinda ass and very annoying and always has been

[brazen rampart]

To be fair, I attempted to help at first, and was given a big middle finger.

[summer prairie]

on some maps DD is very annoying to play

depending on rng

[zinc phoenix]

I wish it worked like Executioner did where it just lights up a class of baddies to smack

[summer prairie]

and your team composition

[brazen rampart]

I will admit I was kind of goading harsh responses after that middle finger was received.

[radiant frigate]

sometimes i look at my stacks and i see 3 and i weep

[vast hare]

They only answers theyve given me is "try being faster" or "shoot better".

or use melee

instead of guns.

[radiant frigate]

sometimes i look for my stacks and i cannot see them

[brazen rampart]

Both of those initial arguments are valid.

[radiant frigate]

you should partake in glorious melee combat.. NOW ⚡

[rancid geyser]

they said run up to the guy hiding behind a wall, you mentioned low cover then they said shoot them in the head

[vast hare]

Except the problem is that If I sprint out in front of my team, I die.

[rancid geyser]

it hasnt only been dickish remarks

[brazen rampart]

Then don't die.

[vast hare]

They're cowering behind the cover. I cant shoto through walls.

[radiant frigate]

skull issue i'm afraid

[rancid geyser]

then stop surpressing them

[round charm]

if you have stam and run serpentine at gunners and things you dodge most/all the bullets

[rancid geyser]

that is a valid point

[plucky flax]

Are you using assail to help with blue guys?

[radiant frigate]

it is generally recommended not to let heretics crush your skull

[orchid ibex]

assail does help keep up DD stacks typically

[rancid geyser]

they will peak eventually if they are hiding

unless you supress them

[fallow dock]

I think the shooter enemy AI doesn’t let them do that for more than a few seconds

[summer prairie]

if you have to run after your DD marks all the time, it's not a good ability (not saying you do)

[vast hare]

It resets if anything shoots at them

[latent mauve]

Remember

[vast hare]

which usually includes my allies, or explosiosn of any kind

or they're glitchy and they "peak"

thorugh a solid object

[latent mauve]

Duelling sword on zealot is hacking

[rancid geyser]

then your stack would be safe if you just deal with other threats then secure it no? Unless it jumps

[orchid ibex]

@latent mauve you're still thinking about that aren't you? i can give you some context if you'd like.

[latent mauve]

I find it funny

Every time it’s high mobility weapons

[vast hare]

No, because it only stays marked for a very short time

If I dont kill it within 4-5 seconds, the stack vanishes

sometimes it moves, sometimes it doesn't

I have to kil levery target or I risk losing everything

[brazen rampart]

Then run faster.

[latent mauve]

Never when I’m killing 30 crushers in 60 inputs on ogryn

[fallow dock]

So all your teammates are dumping their mags into a single shooter behind cover? I know everyone’s mileage can vary but seeing as I’ve never had an issue of a DD target refusing to poke their head out for the entirety of its duration, I find this hard to believe

[orchid ibex]

@latent mauve i was returning to the game after like 1+ years away. i had no idea that mods were even a thing. i join a game and see a nude guy, a skin not in the game, charge a mile ahead of the team and solo two daemonhosts. obviously i was wrong about the cheating thing, but i think my suspicion was reasonable in context.

[vast hare]

Doesnt need ot be all of them. A stray shot here or there is enough

[rancid geyser]

imma be honest and i might get hate: I legit think disrupt destiny is a gimmicky rng based talent only meant for lower levels of difficulty -- if what you are saying is really troubling I personally would recommend the other 2 Key Stones -- less RNG

[latent mauve]

If I was hacking I’m pretty sure hamdol would see it and beat me to death with his 6 foot 7 ass hands

[rancid geyser]

Disrupt Destiny is legit the worst one imo

[brazen rampart]

This complaint string about DD boils down to two things,

1. you don't know how to survive as psyker without a meat shield in front of you.

2. you are not confident enough to chase and secure your DD kills.

[latent mauve]

Vet and ogryn have 2 of the worst keystones in the game

[brazen rampart]

MF and BLO?

[latent mauve]

Yup

[brazen rampart]

Yeah they're pretty shit.

[vast hare]

It also includes DD refusing to generate marks for several seconds, and allies stealing kills within a second or less of the mark happening- followed by DD refusing to generate new marks

[rancid geyser]

they could still be a learning player which is fair -- i just think they need a diff view point on when ppl respond to them even if they are saying things they don't neccessarily like or agree with

[latent mauve]

Blo is one letter from what it is: blow

[rancid geyser]

if RNG is shafting you that bad its time to upgrade

[radiant frigate]

but sometimes boolet is free and critical

value

[brazen rampart]

Gotta ask, because this is directly relevant to the success of DD, what difficulty are you playing on?

[vast hare]

Auric damnation, usually

[latent mauve]

I loved spending 4 hours shooting into walls for the penance guys

Very fun!

[rancid geyser]

no way you cant get stacks in auric

no damned way

[brazen rampart]

You should have zero issues generating marks if you're not stagnating in one area, then.

[radiant frigate]

i love letting the team tap their foot waiting in the valkyrie because someone dropped an ammo box and i have bullets to spend

[brazen rampart]

The game throws handfuls of bruisers at your team at a time.

[vast hare]

Thats what Im SAYING

I could be in a room

[brazen rampart]

There is ZERO way none of them get marked.

[vast hare]

FULL of valid targets

and it jsut DOESNT give marks

[radiant frigate]

i hate when someone else starts disrupting my destiny

[brazen rampart]

I'm still very skeptical of this argument because the common denominator is still you, and many others have plenty of success with it.

[radiant frigate]

the strands of fate are not your toys 😠

[latent mauve]

Ainz never takes the 10 second one and is always capped on stacks

[brazen rampart]

Once I hit 15 stacks the first time in a mission, I only ever go down to 11, and thats if I get disabled/downed.

[vast hare]

Well its what literally happens to me. I very frequently experience long periods, in rooms full of shooters and dregs or ragers or maulers

[brazen rampart]

Or if we are chilling in an airlock for a sec.

[vast hare]

and none of them are marked

[brazen rampart]

I think you might want to rethink your approach to the keystone then.

[orchid ibex]

i'm a pretty mediocre player and my DD stacks are usually full/mostly full. i'm definitely confused about what's wrong with it.

[brazen rampart]

You want to be the first in and first out of every fight.

[radiant frigate]

what flavor of DD do you run

[rancid geyser]

this, like you cant lose all your chances to get stacks if you are pushing as vanguard

[radiant frigate]

free stacks, super free stacks or high roller?

[brazen rampart]

I'm going to choose to believe, after the evidence I've been given, that it's the approach to the keystone that is hindering them.

[orchid ibex]

@radiant frigate we got flavors?

[brazen rampart]

You can't play psyker normally with DD, you have to be in the front.

[rancid geyser]

^

[radiant frigate]

10s stacks, 10s stacks with triple on headshot or 25 max stacks with triple on headshot

[brazen rampart]

The closer you are to the front, the more enemies are within the valid range for DD to mark, the more likely enemies will be marked.

[rancid geyser]

its called disrupt destiny because a psyker rushing in front of the group is suicidal -- it helps you not do the thing that we all hate

[radiant frigate]

or if you're insane 25 max stacks but never stacking beyond 15 because no triples

[orchid ibex]

10s stacks and triple on headshot, that way i can throw a crayon at somebody's head and top off 3 here and there

[radiant frigate]

super free stacks then

valid choice

[brazen rampart]

I will never run perfectionism.

Too much stress on my brain.

[radiant frigate]

if you haven't played the high roller variant i do recommend trying it

nothing like the power trip of oneshotting a crusher with voidstrike

[rancid geyser]

not enough G-Fuel in the system

[orchid ibex]

i think i'm with chud, perfectionism would give me a panic attack. i need those free stacks

[radiant frigate]

perfectionism is feast or famine

[brazen rampart]

How about I just two shot him with my dsmk4?

[radiant frigate]

cheating

[brazen rampart]

With consistency

[brazen rampart]

???

Good luck lining that headshot up, I'm gonna knock him to the floor with a lightly charged trauma blast.

[radiant frigate]

to clarify, that was not a serious statement

[fallow dock]

If here or there = every 1-2 seconds then yes, they will stay at max suppression, otherwise no

But even while suppressed they will poke their heads out

[orchid ibex]

i have kind of a basic curios question. i've been running hp/toughness/toughness on my psyker but would a +3 stam in there be better?

[zinc phoenix]

I go knife + shotgun/revolver and do tend to have a lot of stacks when I need them aka when there’s tons of mobs

[brazen rampart]

If youre not running KD, yes.

[rancid geyser]

if i use true aim can i guarentee endless crits with my staves if im and MLG gamer?

[brazen rampart]

Yes.

True aim, voidstrike, surge.

Any horde on a flat surface is going to get utterly mulched.

[rancid geyser]

they already do but im not using it yet

[orchid ibex]

i pretty much always use KD

[vast hare]

Whenever I try to play ahead, what usually happens is I get slapped by ragers that are immune to stagger so I can do nothing but block and back up to my allies. Or I run face first into a horde of maulers/crushers I can't kill (at least not quickly) and again HAVE to back up or die. Or face first in a horde of shotgunners. Or Gunners. Et cetera. If I go any further than coherency range from my allies, I very very rapidly end up in an unwinnable position and go down.

The vast majority of the marks DD ever gives me are either a unit in melee, and I have to desperately try and burn through whatever is in front of them to get to the mfirst before one of my allies with infinitely better cleave options gets to it (whether that is with gun or melee) or it targets a shooter that is 15+ meters away behind cover or on top of an object (with their head occluded by the floor) or just straight up behind a wall.

Only very occasionally do I get a mark on an enemy that is both within my actual, shoot-able line of sight AND is alive for longer than 1 second. And if at any point I don't get the kill (either because the mark runs out before I can get an angle, before they decide to poke out their head- if they're even aggro'd at all; I've had it mark unaggro'd enemies behind walls with no hope of getting to them without dangerously overextending, or because an ally killed them) then I have to wait usually at least 15 seconds before a new mark pops ups- though on rare occasions I've been lucky enough to see a new one within 4-5 seconds and on very rare occasions I've gone entire minutes with no marks going up at all; yes even with rooms of valid targets in front of me.

Its inconsistent.

Thats the problem. if I use the 10s duration upgrade, that is long enough time that even these inconsistencies don't matter and I can get to 15 fairly reliably- don't need the +2 stacks on weakspot talent. But I hate that. I want the 25 stacks talents, otherwise I just don't see it being competitive with any other setup. But even with gaining 3 stacks on weakspot, the inconsistency in the ability very often results in me getting to about 6-9 stacks and then losing it all

[brazen rampart]

To address melee elites swarming you, I would run a deimos.

To address ranged elites picking you apart, I would flick assail darts (they stagger gunners).

To address your target being in a horde, I would use a gun with cleave.

[radiant frigate]

to address ragers i also recommend assail

[brazen rampart]

I promise you that 15 stacks is definitely competitive.

[vast hare]

Doesn't deimos only hit like 1 thing?

[brazen rampart]

Yes, but it has good armor piercing and the push knocks everything down.

[radiant frigate]

it kills elites effectively and the horde clear is serviceable

[vast hare]

what do you do with it if you have 3 crushers all staggering their overheads, with 2-3 maulers coming in from the sides xd

[radiant frigate]

with warp splitting/sg/dd

[brazen rampart]

You push them.

[vast hare]

Wait the push knocks over crushers?

[radiant frigate]

push attack and h2 to the head

[brazen rampart]

Well, to be more precise, push attack.

[radiant frigate]

it interrupts them yes

[brazen rampart]

But yes, push them over.

[radiant frigate]

and h2 to the head knocks them over

[brazen rampart]

Ans your h2 also knocks anything down.

[vast hare]

I thought only ogryns and trauma sticks could do that

[radiant frigate]

lolno

[brazen rampart]

Nope!

[vast hare]

Ohk well I'm definitely swapping to that

[radiant frigate]

dueling sword special to the head also staggers them

[thorn cedar]

you can only really push one at a time and it costs you perils to do

[radiant frigate]

doesn't knock them over but staggers them

[thorn cedar]

not quite on the level of an ogryn

[brazen rampart]

It's still useful to get several elites off you.

[thorn cedar]

better than dying tho

[radiant frigate]

only a problem with sg

[brazen rampart]

You can spam it out pretty fast while dodging away.

[radiant frigate]

otherwise it's a case of "oh no my 4% peril"

[rancid geyser]

1. Ragers are not Immune to stagger, ever -- that was changed . 2. It kinda seems like you need a better arsenal. 3. Its not a bad idea to just swallow your pride and get the increased duration -- sacrifices need to be made sometimes when you shoe-hold yourself into making something work, either in general or for yourself

[thorn cedar]

i just shard them in the face

[brazen rampart]

I am proud to say I have only blown myself up with force sword PA's twice.

[rancid geyser]

what weapon are you using for ranged?

[vast hare]

If a component of a game is unusable, it should not exist.

[rancid geyser]

well its most definatley usable

[vast hare]

I switch it up, but usually precision weapons like las, autoguns, laspistol

[rancid geyser]

just not the way you want

like you said

[brazen rampart]

Who is gonna tell him?

[rancid geyser]

you refuse to get increased duration

[brazen rampart]

That half the nodes in zealouts tree are unusable.

[thorn cedar]

laspistol also has the same push effect as the force swords

[brazen rampart]

[rancid geyser]

when it would alleviate your struggle

[thorn cedar]

except its on the special and faster and stronger

[vast hare]

Also what blessings do u put on your deimos

[orchid ibex]

wait, this is about refusing to use the 10s stacks?

[brazen rampart]

Uncanny and riposte.

[orchid ibex]

that would make your life so much easier

[brazen rampart]

~50% crit chance when riposte is proc'd.

Works great with empathetic evasion.

[rancid geyser]

being stubborn doesn't make something bad, refusing to be malleable is no fault of a game's systems

you awknowledge a solution already in your reply to me

i hope you would just make the adjustment

[fallow dock]

What is the fault of the game system is kinetic flaying not working as intended 😡

[rancid geyser]

yeah fuck that talent

[vast hare]

Well then how do YOU use 25 stacks talent

[brazen rampart]

Kinetic flayer should have a fixed cooldown and only proc on elites/specialists.

[brazen rampart]

You don't.

[vast hare]

So it IS unusable?

[brazen rampart]

Some keystone talents aren't worth using.

[thorn cedar]

Kill the bluebois.

[brazen rampart]

This time, it's too much of a headache to use.

[thorn cedar]

25 is useable with the right loadouts.

[radiant frigate]

it is usable

[brazen rampart]

Other times, the keystone aux nodes are just bad. (see pained outburst on fnp ogryn)

[vast hare]

Also I assume stamina and crit chance for the perks?

[thorn cedar]

If your weapons are too slow then there's no point.

[radiant frigate]

but you need the triple stacks on headshot

[fallow dock]

It even says that in the description but it just doesn’t work in practice 😭

[brazen rampart]

No, flak carapace, imo.

[jovial juniper]

Is usable

[vast hare]

I do run that, but even with it I just can't ever get past 10

[rancid geyser]

DON'T if you cant get to 25 stacks YOU DON'T use the talent, Lmao you have admitted its something you struggle with, use something else. Even if 25 stacks is the most damage -- damage is not everything

[vast hare]

unless I get extraordinarily lucky

[thorn cedar]

wut

[radiant frigate]

you posted when they clicked reply above

[orchid ibex]

personally i don't bother with 25 because i'm not good (sweaty) enough to keep up those stacks fast enough

[thorn cedar]

oh

[brazen rampart]

Some argue maniac on deimos but the only thing it really helps with is dreg ragers, and you can just push them over.

[vast hare]

Gib build. I must know the secret sauce

[flint spear]

push a burster with kinetic flayer

[rancid geyser]

like legit 25 stacks is for sweats, and not hitting that shit means you arent sweating heard enough, time to throw in the rag my g

ain't nothing wrong with that lmao

[orchid ibex]

and 15 stacks feels pretty good too

[thorn cedar]

the hardest part of 25 stacks is just getting to 25, but once you're there, you're there. you should already be landing those headshot kills.

[rancid geyser]

again i ask the weapons you are using with DD because i didnt really get an answer, i need the names

[jovial juniper]

The secret sauce is pain and suffering

And cleave

[brazen rampart]

Much cleave.

[thorn cedar]

25 stacks at 4s means you have 40s where you're doing more than 15 stacks ever could at baseline

[jovial juniper]

And high damage per shot

[vast hare]

Mostly the precision guns. Las gun, autoguns, laspistol. I switch it up depending on my mood

[plucky flax]

I'm not that good.

[thorn cedar]

its just a question of having weapons that can scoop headshots on blue targets when they appear

[rancid geyser]

have you tried Surge staff?

[brazen rampart]

Try the brown recon. I forget what they named it to. It has sort of poor ammo economy but it has good cleave.

[vast hare]

Shocky stick for 25 stacks?

Or do you mean the left click build?

[rancid geyser]

lmb

you wouldnt have to worry if you just aim and the blue head and left click

[vast hare]

I've tried left click but suffered much the same issue. I had to swap to 15 to get any mileage out of it

[thorn cedar]

Recon XIV is very dirty with perils cleave

[brazen rampart]

Surge staff could work well when you're getting hounded by elites as well.

[vast hare]

and it just felt bad

[radiant frigate]

it does however require 1 more talent point than the 10s variant

[rancid geyser]

its a suggestion if you dont wanna try idk but lmb atm is kinda sweaty

[vast hare]

to knwo that I was nowhere near optimal

[thorn cedar]

I wouldn't say require necessarily since +2 on the 15s is also good, just not mandatory.

[rancid geyser]

my finger hurts after every 2 runs but i be securing that top damage while doing objs

[thorn cedar]

Reduces ramp up time considerably.

[vast hare]

Yeah I wish I could hold the leftclick

[rancid geyser]

i use both

[brazen rampart]

@vast hare I would recommend, before attempting to use 25 stacks DD, to use 15 stacks with 10s duration and practicing a more aggressive approach.

[rancid geyser]

both are good

[radiant frigate]

that's fair

[orchid ibex]

man i wish i could like the recon more but the muzzle flash is actually rough on my eyes, i lose my targets

[thorn cedar]

If you find yourself almost always at 14/15 stacks of DD try 25 stacks for a couple rounds.

[rancid geyser]

i legit think if you are struggling with melee and elites if you are rushing forward that surge staff would help

[brazen rampart]

Weapon customization can give you a reflex sight so you dont blind yourself every time you shoot.

[rancid geyser]

that shit give no fucks whats in front of you

except bulwarks and crushers and even those die kinda fast

[thorn cedar]

If you are suddenly cratered on stacks then it's not even a skill issue but often your weapons just don't score headshot kills fast enough.

[brazen rampart]

🗣️ 🔥

[orchid ibex]

@brazen rampart not a mod user, but i can see the appeal there

[analog agate]

Imagine if this guy was playing years ago when we had to get stacks for WS only through BB. And everyone saw your BB and killed them before you could.

[rancid geyser]

yeeeeeah!!!

[vast hare]

I did, I stopped playing psyker because of it

[thorn cedar]

And all your stacks would drop at once ;_;

[vast hare]

I have 350 hours in the game, mostly on/off since the games official release

alot more recently since the update

[rigid mortar]

So I’m not done making this build but the theme is a battle mage and I’m wondering if this weapons are good for the theme? Also kinda want to lean into crits but I don’t know how to build into them

[rancid geyser]

i would send and immediate DDoS your way

no cap

lmao

[radiant frigate]

hehe

[orchid ibex]

@analog agate god that was awful

[radiant frigate]

i had around 100 on release from leveling every class

[spice oar]

well force sword is literally battle mage

[radiant frigate]

i then disappeared until talent trees

[rigid mortar]

Wasn’t there one that was ment for horde clear?

[vast hare]

Same, pretty much

[spice oar]

illisi

[thorn cedar]

i can stop at any time

[vast hare]

100 hours after release, quit, another 100 after new talents

quit

[orchid ibex]

holy cow

[thorn cedar]

but i wont

[vast hare]

and now 150 since the new weapons

[fallow dock]

Hsword is def fun but force swords could work too (maybe more since u can energize them with warp magic)

[rigid mortar]

So what about the staff

[rancid geyser]

Warp Nexus + Warp flurry is easy mode for that staff

i shan't comment on what perks to use tho

[vast hare]

Which gun do u use for cleave? So far recon and the burstfire vigilants have been the best when I have marks hiding behind walls of meat

[brazen rampart]

Pretty sure it's flak and crit chance, no?

[rigid mortar]

I want to handle against elites as I have a hard time dealing with crushers, ragers, etc. like the big hitting guys

[fallow dock]

Ahh so a crusher killing surge staff is bad? I like running carapace and unyielding but that’s not optimal?

[brazen rampart]

Brown recon, agri infantry autogun, manstopper shotguns.

Zarona, if you swing that way.

[jovial juniper]

For cleave
Agripina autogun
Recon XIV (the tan one)
Bolt Pistol (ads)

[rancid geyser]

I probably wont hit 1k hours becuas the game has got its issues still

[thorn cedar]

The slow recon imo is the best of the bunch.

[rancid geyser]

cant recommend this game to the general public

[thorn cedar]

At 35% perils you push over 4 cleave and you are now absolutely decimating elite stacks (that aren't scab ragers or maulers)

[brazen rampart]

Add in warp splitting and oooo its so good.

Even more so with infernus.

[rancid geyser]

i use carapace and 5% crit lmao so idk, cara is worth on the surge tho

you kill most other things fast enough

[fallow dock]

That’s my thinking thanks 🙏

[jovial juniper]

Then there's the weird spot of Laspistols, you can proc the DD refresh with a push

[brazen rampart]

Cara will only affect your crusher bp and I don't even think it will make it take 1 less rmb to kill.

[dusky crag]

this review should get an update every update but never switch rating lol

[orchid ibex]

i always was under the impression that the torrent lasgun was better for infernus/critting fast

[rancid geyser]

its more for your ttk it mos def affect maulers too -- 4/5 lmbs and 2-3 rmb kills a crusher and then you can snowball that into a pack

[brazen rampart]

More cleave = more targets hit = more headshots = eat leaden death, heretic.

[brazen rampart]

You're lmb'ing maulers???

This man is insane!

[rancid geyser]

want a clip?

[flint spear]

but it doesnt increase your hit mass so it's basically useless

[orchid ibex]

@brazen rampart so you'd suggest the VIIa over the VId?

[brazen rampart]

For gunker, the brown one is best, imo.

I do not remember what they changed the mk numbers to.

[rancid geyser]

yes

[brazen rampart]

It will likely take me months to teach myself the new mks.

[orchid ibex]

oh right they changed it because they're demented

[brazen rampart]

This is madness.

[orchid ibex]

yeah, i was referring to the brown one

[vast hare]

whu- how do you have both empowered psionics and warp charges?

Or is one of those a bugged icon?

[rancid geyser]

without stacks

[rancid geyser]

bug from changing classes in psykhanium

[vast hare]

icic

[rancid geyser]

full degeneracy

and i love it

[vast hare]

god left click is so broken rn thats hilarious

[orchid ibex]

@brazen rampart what blessings do you like to run on the brown recon?

[frozen loom]

left tree empyrian might be worth huh

[rancid geyser]

in hordes you aim at head height and just watch the bodies drop

lmao

3 peril for up to 2 kills because if you swing your crosshair while shooting the 2 shots hit diff targets

[frozen loom]

lmb curves?

[rancid geyser]

the 2nd shot isnt fired at the same time

[frozen loom]

oh that's what you meant

[rancid geyser]

you can see the double shot hit 2 diff parts on the wall

useful trick in hordes

[frozen loom]

damn i need a 2nd surge staff for surge lmb

[rancid geyser]

yessir get it while its hot

literally brain dead

[frozen loom]

would it need a different dump stat

[rancid geyser]

not even worth swapping to your melee when dudes get close

[rancid geyser]

uuh idk i use the same staff for both builds i just swap when im bored with one

i still dump warp res

[frozen loom]

understandable, have a good day

[rancid geyser]

but im using ER

each lmb is 3 peril

you can still kill crushers with the rmb

not the worst ttk on crushers

[feral verge]

i think crit chance is not necessary

[rancid geyser]

generally can kill 2 crushers before needing to quell

[rancid geyser]

everyone keeps telling me that

[vale mural]

Hello! I figured I'd ask here, I like the psyker gameplay but I'm really staying away from it all the time due to incredible squishiness of it, and can't find a setup that looks suited for me, do you guys have any recommendation for something that would circumvent feeling like a potato chip that gets stepped on by anything?

[rancid geyser]

and each time i say if you dont want it dont take it

having 53% crit at 20 peril changes a lot

for both hordes and possibly killing crushers faster

its not just for the one incident in a vaccum

[vast hare]

Bruh I actually got hella lucky on a lights out match and got to 25 early one thanks to being the only person with a gun in that lobby and its the torrent with the really open sewer areas, AND it had a bunch of gunners and shooters for me to pick off- and you know what fucking happens? I crash. Just start rubber banding and teleporting and then poof! Gone. Fuck this game man

[orchid ibex]

@vale mural we're squishy to big hits sometimes but a lot of builds can have pretty high toughness generation

[feral verge]

you have the stave's innate boosted crit chance of around 20% iirc, psyker crit chance of 7.5%, surge blessing crit chance of 5%, 10% from the feat and aura

and thats not factoring in nexus

[rancid geyser]

look at my crit chance i know the exact values and they are shared in the clips -- 53% at 20 peril is something i think is WORTH for HORDES

[vale mural]

Actually? I always felt like I struggled to regen toughness even inside a shield

[orchid ibex]

@vale mural yeah, we have all the nodes on the top to help with toughness. i typically have soulstealer and quietude on any staff build

[rancid geyser]

dont bother with hordes with surge if you not gunna go that route, you got melee i guess

[frozen loom]

i mean, positional awareness is what kills me in my recent return to DT

[vale mural]

I see ty ^^

[rancid geyser]

43.5% crit base with the tree and no perk no peril

[orchid ibex]

@vale mural no problem. check out the atheneum steam guide to see some builds too, those helped me a lot when i was trying to set mine up

[feral verge]

the crit chance mod doesnt factor in the staff's base crit chance

[rancid geyser]

i am telling you the actual amount

[rancid geyser]

regardless the clip has crit traker on screen you can actively see my crit chance

[rancid geyser]

this is a lie after you attack the number holds steady

[brazen rampart]

I run dumdum infernus and path through true aim. If you don't want to path through true aim, swap dumdum for hh.

[feral verge]

you're right

[brazen rampart]

Take this with a grain of salt.

[feral verge]

but relax, im not lying

calm down

i was wrong, not lying

[rancid geyser]

pretty steady and even if it dissipated for a moment you'd know the value of your rate the entire time

[orchid ibex]

@brazen rampart ok, that's pretty much what i'm using on my current setup already because i like DD on gun psykers over warp siphon

@brazen rampart thanks

[brazen rampart]

[feral verge]

even then, i dont think 5% more crit will help as much as having a dmg perk

[brazen rampart]

May you redeem yourself through service, freak.

[rancid geyser]

ngl crit is damage in the case of surge tho, each time you throw out an extra shot is legit double the damage

marginal dps increase aside thats still more add clear too

[brazen rampart]

I need to make an m1 surge staff build.

[feral verge]

its fun and braindead

[brazen rampart]

My two favorite things, together!

Oh you devilish dog...

[rancid geyser]

may heads pop and your fingers bleed XD

maybe take a break after every few games tho

fr

[brazen rampart]

I have fullauto...

[rancid geyser]

still wonder if enfeeble is ever gunna work on surge staff

because it electrocutes

Fat shark gotta let me know

[wind spruce]

It used to. Same with Empowered psionics. It was unintended.

[rancid geyser]

well the way enfeeble is worded now make me wonder why it doesnt work

i dont even think it works with the shock maul

[wind spruce]

Why it doesn't work is that it's not supposed to

[rigid mortar]

Does channeled force work with all staffs?

[rancid geyser]

but why the wording?

the game counts enemies electrocuted on 5 things -- surge rmb, shock maul heavy proc, shock maul special, and smite along with its heavy upgrade

[frozen loom]

oh wow. i actually got all the psyker penances done, except for the private server one

[rigid mortar]

Are we allowed to share builds/links? Because I'm looking for feedback for this load-out

[fallow dock]

Yeah!

[rigid mortar]

So I wanted to build this theme around being a battle mage and focus on dealing with elites. This build is not concentrated on high-end conflict. But eventually, I want to bring this build into harder content. Also, I don't know if the perk layout is good

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/build-editor?id=9d2e72fe-4b83-4759-93d1-aacf9b2e9415

[fallow dock]

I like maniacs and flak on my illisi too, but idk if blazing spirit is rly worth it particularly if you don’t have riposte, shred, or crit perk as well

I’m sure someone more knowledgeable can correct me if I’m wrong tho 🙂

The staff is exactly what I use

[rigid mortar]

Also how do crits work? Does it start off at 0% and builds up from there?

[frozen loom]

The illisi might serve better with slaughterer + uncanny

[frozen loom]

for Warp Nexus? Yea

[rancid geyser]

blazing spirit + shred is valid on illisi

[frozen loom]

shred is definitely an option

[rigid mortar]

So should I take blazing sprint +shred? Or slaughter+uncany?

[fallow dock]

Ty again and sorry for spreading misinformation 😅

[fallow dock]

Wait I’m dumb I thought shred was slaughterer for a sec

[rancid geyser]

what mis info?

lmao i was just stating an opinion not fact lmao

[fallow dock]

I mean ig but u def have more experience and knowledge than little old me haha

[frozen loom]

Your preference. With the new system, it's easy to swap when things don't feel right

[rancid geyser]

im literally on my 5th day returning to psyker

[rigid mortar]

What about bloodthirsty and blazing spirit

[rancid geyser]

after god knows how long

i just like try harding in shit, i really dont use anything that cant carry

[rigid mortar]

Also overall as for the perks how does that look?

[frozen loom]

you want crits for blaze tho

[fallow dock]

Bloodthirsty gives 100% crit chance after special tho

So it could work

[frozen loom]

my bad, misremembered. It could work

but your crits depend on having to special every few slaps

[fallow dock]

I crutch on deflector tho bc my positioning needs work

[rancid geyser]

i used to as well

[fallow dock]

I love deflector too bc blocking bullets with your hands is cool af

[rancid geyser]

did a few runs withj deflector + blazing spirit in auric

[rigid mortar]

I’m fine with that. Also like stringing combos together like in v2

[rancid geyser]

22% crit legit is enough lmao

[fallow dock]

Very true

[rigid mortar]

But should I max out warp siphon or leave it as is?

[frozen loom]

I guess scier's is gonna bump that crit up

[broken carbon]

using two blessings to get be able to inflict soulblaze on a few enemies that you’ll kill before there’s any value from the blessings really isn’t that good tbh, particularly without uncanny strike to buff the fire for crushers and such

it’s a fun meme but you won’t get value from it

[rancid geyser]

100% a meme

lmao

[broken carbon]

also if you’re running shred

[plucky flax]

Hrmm 266k monster damage with psyker not bad.

[broken carbon]

just run riposte instead

riposte is better in 99% of situations over shred

[fallow dock]

Is perilous combustion worth it on its own? I feel like I’d rather have quietude or battle meditation

But that’s just me

[plucky flax]

Ye it's really good for elites clumps.

[analog agate]

Yes

[fallow dock]

Fair enough

[rigid mortar]

Should I switch to smite as it’s just a preference or since I already have a weapon that can help with ad clear

[fallow dock]

I think smite only really works with empowered psionics and venting shriek

Again I’m prob very wrong here

[broken carbon]

its very strong, killing 2 elites will kill every chaff enemy around them, and will either kill or severely wound all of the other elites

[fallow dock]

Ok fair my b

[broken carbon]

the reason is because DOT scales non linearly

[broken carbon]

you didnt do anything wrong lol

[fallow dock]

Alr ty for explaining to me 🙏

[broken carbon]

yah ofc

theres a graph out there of the base damage from DoTs but

idk where it is

[broken carbon]

found it,

this is soul blaze

i believe bleed and burn both follow a similar curve as to max damage

and this is per tick

[fallow dock]

Very nice

[unique sand]

i heard warp radius is the dumpstat so is this ideal?

[broken carbon]

yah thats good

[clear heath]

uh, does this have stacks? Surely it isn't just 5% crit chance total right?

[broken carbon]

it stacks, probably up to 4 times

[austere warren]

I don't have time at the moment to go over to any explanations provided by the athenium but am I wrong in saying that assail plays off of where you're currently looking?

[plucky flax]

Yes.

[austere warren]

Cool, I wasn't trippin.

[jovial juniper]

It has stacks and will drop off if miss or body shot

[austere warren]

How many bounces can you get away with off one shard? Will they adjust to targets like directly behind something else if they're farther away?

[jovial juniper]

Basically infinite duration critical chance

[austere warren]

Maybe something like 10m apart

[plucky flax]

It'll bounce to nearby targets.

Probably more like 4 or 5m.

[near wyvern]

You can find everything related to this in Atheneum

[austere warren]

Mmhm. Do critical shards have any xtensions to this effect?

[broken carbon]

kerykeion — Today at 11:59 AM
"I don't have time at the moment to go over to any explanations provided by the athenium"

lmfao

[near wyvern]

It's a bit odd, some times it bounces but I have had it also just go through a line of heads

Sibling is illiterate

[austere warren]

Assail is definitely my favorite of the blitzes at the moment and right tree psyker been a fave since they gave us the talent tree system.

[plucky flax]

I feel like crit assail does bounce 1 more target.

Maybe I am tripping I just spam all of mine at once.

[austere warren]

Rmb shard goes...faster? Is there anything about that little flash that matters? Something akin to a frame perfect interaction?

It seems like it's just an indicator of "ready to rip, boss 🫡"

Eventually I'll actually embrace the force weapons. I've just been trying to spot a duelling sword I'm willing to work with and I definitely need some up to par guns for my gun psyker builds.

Being dex bastard magical woman is fun.

[unique sand]

is finesse the dump stat for force sword

or warp resistance

[fierce crest]

warp or mobility

depends on what youre doing

[broken carbon]

not really, right click assail will just target the person you throw it at first, and deal a bit more damage

[fierce crest]

finesse is attack speed, never a dump stat

[nocturne dust]

what even is a 'find in page' function anyway

[broken carbon]

also headshot damage and crit damage so

it is very important

[upper galleon]

does more damage, costs more peril, and will guarantee hit your target no matter where you swing your camera after throwing

[unique sand]

so i can invest into this one then

[nocturne dust]

Si, is good stat spread

[fierce crest]

80 warp rez is good for illisi special spam

[radiant frigate]

siblings, hypothetically speaking, what should i put on a heavy sword

[stuck sinew]

Blessings

[austere warren]

The idea of mobility being a dump stat is heinous to me. But I'm out here with a trench coat full of knives so /shrug

[radiant frigate]

recommend warp resist dump stat instead

[radiant frigate]

i dump mobility on knife

[nocturne dust]

zealotry

[fierce crest]

illisi is better heavy sword

[nocturne dust]

mobility is always a dump stat

[stuck sinew]

Chainaxe psyker is where it's at

[jovial juniper]

If you're going to use Hsword which I know you won't
Deathblow Headtaker
Maniac and flak or whatever

[austere warren]

https://tenor.com/view/looking-around-who-asked-black-man-meme-loop-gif-20218231

[nocturne dust]

eeeeehhhhhhh

[austere warren]

No shade, it's just nutty to me. I understand why so many do it though.

[radiant frigate]

i am also of this opinion

but i also like suffering from time to time

[austere warren]

I'm addicted to movement.

[radiant frigate]

so, i am trying heavy sword

[radiant frigate]

is the new rending talent any good

the trigger condition is real stupid

[fierce crest]

and you get max dodges with 60 mobility

[nocturne dust]

no

[nocturne dust]

yes

[austere warren]

Do you get more with higher percentages?

[fierce crest]

nope

[austere warren]

https://tenor.com/view/kingpin-kingpin-clicking-pen-clicking-pen-spider-verse-into-the-spider-verse-gif-5180708998338482135

[fierce crest]

depends on the weapon what the exact number is, but every weapon gets max dodges by 60

[nocturne dust]

yes but 60% already gives max amount

[fierce crest]

most are 50 i think

or 51

[austere warren]

Honestly, i can't really get a certain way about it. Unless it gets nerfed, agile is actually delicious

I love that blessing. Absolutely ridiculous.

[broken carbon]

force sword can dump warp resistance or mobility, but if you're using an illisi, dump warp resistance, as the illisi's dodges are really bad

[austere warren]

I just turn myself into blue handmaiden kerillian. Nuts.

[fierce crest]

also worse warp resistance is better for most builds

[plucky flax]

Based warp resistance dumpers.

[nocturne dust]

ew

[fierce crest]

illisi special spam is where you dont want it

but h1 l2 is still great for hordes so for that build you just use the special to keep peril up

[austere warren]

What makes deimos deimos? I've been meaning to try a "peril berserker" build where I'm mostly relying on playing with my peril meter as a core part and only using force weapons.

[fierce crest]

warp rider go brr

[nocturne dust]

h2 is all of deimos

hit a weakpoint, knock even crushers down

[fierce crest]

1shots muties

without special

[austere warren]

Ah.

[nocturne dust]

deimos doesn't want special

[austere warren]

Can you dodge cancel the special attack all now? For the other force sword.

[nocturne dust]

deimos' special is bad, never use. Only h2. Unless hordes.

[broken carbon]

yeah

[austere warren]

Great.

[oblique topaz]

Man

[fierce crest]

l1 h2

you whiff the l1 as the mutie approaches

[thorn cedar]

Deimos special is fine.

[oblique topaz]

Why is psyker penances so easy to max out

[plucky flax]

I am bad so I like using deimos special.

[nocturne dust]

You can like bad things.

[fierce crest]

wut

[broken carbon]

no its not lol, youll deal equal/more damage with just a h2 instead of the special

[fierce crest]

its harder to use the special

[plucky flax]

Especially against muties.

[thorn cedar]

H2 doesn't open Bulwark shields.

[broken carbon]

mutants is the only case i could see it being used, mutants and single ragers

[oblique topaz]

Took me million years to get the penances for vet and zealot, but like a day for psyker

[plucky flax]

I love doing mutie drive by with deimos special.

[oblique topaz]

Excluding the play 100 missions

[nocturne dust]

The special is slower, less damage, and more dangerous because it locks you in place and has a stamina cost to get out of.

[plucky flax]

It's so much cooler than h2.

[fierce crest]

thats what the push attack is for

[nocturne dust]

Go play eviscerator

[plucky flax]

No I don't touch stinky zealot.

On zealot I only play stealth combat axe martyrdom or bleed knife.

[nocturne dust]

literally just eviscerator gameplay on mutants, smh my head

[flint spear]

M5 special into stun lock yourself into a crusher overhead

[nocturne dust]

No crusher?

[mild junco]

Hello, what is the dump stat on the Surge Staff ? Warp Resistance, I believe ?

[summer prairie]

you are around 5% faster while sprinting with a 80 mob knife vs 60, I think

[plucky flax]

Nah even with slaughterer on it crusher just doesn't vibe with me.

[broken carbon]

so you dont like fun

noted

[nocturne dust]

but funni bonk

[plucky flax]

I prefer the shock maul over crusher tbh.

Feels faster and more nimble.

[summer prairie]

if the dmg doesn't matter for breakpoints I'd rather dump dmg on a knife

[fierce crest]

you can dodge

[radiant frigate]

update: hsword is garbage idk why i thought i would give it a try

[nocturne dust]

I too enjoy inferior versions of the same thing

[nocturne dust]

lol

[plucky flax]

Give shockmaul headtaker or slaughterer.

Oh actually I like playing ds5 zealot too.

Warp speed

[nocturne dust]

speed is a dump stat

no move, only kill

[summer prairie]

more move, more kill

[nocturne dust]

Illegal.

[fierce crest]

60 mobility is already max move

[radiant frigate]

https://tenor.com/view/perona-this-shit-is-so-ass-gif-18280849566384162558

[summer prairie]

lies

[nocturne dust]

https://tenor.com/view/feliz-alegre-sorriso-burro-gif-14645687

[broken carbon]

after using a shock maul in a true duo on a civi, its just

im biased against it now

h2 400 times

[plucky flax]

Yes just slow bonk 10000 crushers.

[nocturne dust]

Why do h2 a billion times when you can do h1 a billion times

crusher superiority

psyker with crusher when

[jovial juniper]

Does the crusher explosion applies brittle?
Probably not

[nocturne dust]

I don't recall so. Just staggers, really.

[jovial juniper]

I'm mean

Because it staggers you can apply Skullcrusher to everything around

And it got Thunderous recently

[upper sun]

deimos special buffs when?????????

[nocturne dust]

si. Has a couple good blessings now.

[plucky flax]

Doesn't need it's good.

[upper sun]

[plucky flax]

Buff blaze trauma insteaad.

[upper sun]

u like it because its swag points

[fresh reef]

Ds4 still feels as good as ever

[upper sun]

not because its good

[fresh reef]

Love this thing

[jovial juniper]

Yeah good for leveling up

[upper sun]

i want the deimos special to have a projectile on heavy attack

and a bigger light attack

[fluid aspen]

This is a fucking bait

[fresh reef]

Master sword

[upper sun]

if ogryn can do melee on their ranged weapons why cant we do ranged on our melee weapons?????

[fresh reef]

How?

[jovial juniper]

Not really

[nocturne dust]

Lies until deflector is built-in

[upper sun]

YES

buff force swords to unrealistic degrees YES

[fresh reef]

Built in deflector and the addition of a sword and shield class for zealot would be so kino

[plucky flax]

Swaggiest mutie drive by in the realm

[nocturne dust]

Deflector should be buffed to qualify as a shield to block overheads

[upper sun]

u can do the same with a normal heavy

[plucky flax]

No that's boring.

[upper sun]

like i said

[fresh reef]

Make deflector serve a purpose and it'll be okay still

[upper sun]

YOU LIKE IT BECAUSE ITS SWAG POINTS

[fresh reef]

Long as there's a reason to take it

[jovial juniper]

They should give the ogryn taunt to deflector

[upper sun]

NOT BECAUSE ITS GOOD

[upper sun]

YES YES BUFF IT

[fresh reef]

Like it still gives additional block cost reduction, but can also deflect bullets with a shit load of deviation

As in like, return to sender type shit

[plucky flax]

HOW IS THIS ANY SKILLS?!

[fluid aspen]

Deflector with Kinetic Deflection is great wdym

[upper sun]

or

[nocturne dust]

idk about that

[upper sun]

it looks cooler

ok

[nocturne dust]

would make me stop using deflector, lol

[upper sun]

middle solution

[plucky flax]

Special heavy 2 drive by.

[upper sun]

make the special light attack to the damage of the heavy special

[plucky flax]

[upper sun]

AND

make the special heavy do a projectile attack

[fierce crest]

taunting shooters makes them run at you for melee

[nocturne dust]

ranged melee bugs incoming

[fresh reef]

Additionally, moonlight greatsword skom

[upper sun]

YES

[nocturne dust]

not for gunners

[upper sun]

i want everything to proc

[plucky flax]

This is the way.

ULTIMATE SWAG

[upper sun]

UNCANNY STACKS IN RANGE

[plucky flax]

4 uncanny stacks + cool + heavy 2.

[upper sun]

u can do it with zero stacks of anything

[fierce crest]

why are you blocking gunners

[nocturne dust]

Why aren't you?

[fierce crest]

theyre not gonna stop shooting you

taunt or not

[nocturne dust]

But they will find me sliding behind cover

while I deal with the melee threat

[night moat]

Is it impossible to get a staff with warp resistance as its dump stat?

[fierce crest]

[nocturne dust]

no

[night moat]

I can't roll one for the life of me.

[plucky flax]

If you have enough gold anything is possible.

[nocturne dust]

pray to RNGesus

[night moat]

I did. Holy shit, just got it. Woo.

Only took 100K.

[nocturne dust]

smh my head why are you complaining at that low a cost

[night moat]

Because until now, I'd spent around 1M and not gotten one.

[plucky flax]

What staff my son?

[nocturne dust]

https://tenor.com/view/weakness-disgusts-me-madara-uchiha-madara-naruto-weakness-disgust-me-gif-17219305

[upper sun]

no

I believe in you

believe in the emperor

[near wyvern]

With good enough Deimos you can one shot a mutant head with just the regular 2nd heavy having nothing but perks of the weapon to assist you

[upper sun]

and you will be rewarded

[upper sun]

yeah

the special is kinda just for cool points

i with they made it better or removed the animation lock

[near wyvern]

Yes. I can link video proof if you won't believe.

Pray harder

[upper sun]

lets all pray

🙏 THE EMPEROR IS MY FORK I FEAR NO TOASTER

[night moat]

New crit cannon

[upper sun]

real

also

blast radius is the dump for voidstrike

[sacred crane]

is it heresy that im liking the mk2 ds than the mk4?

[night moat]

Depends on what your playstyle is. I have a VS in every flavor.

[plucky flax]

Or warp resis cos you still don't want such low peril build up.

[upper sun]

but then u cant aim correctly because ur projectile is too big

[night moat]

I have basically one in dump stat for charge, warp, or blast.

[upper sun]

ye same

i have one of each

[night moat]

Can't correctly aim? I don't face that issue. 😮

[upper sun]

quell blast and warp res

[upper sun]

i only had fun with voidstrike for the 1 week they had the new crosshairs for staves

i have to use a third party crosshair program to use voidstrike

[night moat]

Ah, my monitor has mine built in. That's probably why.

[upper sun]

ye

[sacred crane]

yummy horde clear

[upper sun]

the staff dot is so fucking hard to aim correctly

[night moat]

VS is my fav though. Personally can't stand Voidblast.

Purg can be op, but is niche.

Doesn't have the versatility.

And Electro is kinda meh to me. Maybe I have mine built wrong, though.

Even with this, I hate it.

[summer prairie]

18 min consignment yard maelstorm mmm

we had a zealot (well 3 actually) who only ran forward and did 77k dmg

[upper sun]

real

btw

i think they added mourning star dialogue about brunt

brunt rescue mission next update?????????????

[zinc phoenix]

Which one is brunt?

[zinc phoenix]

I’m no expert on stats but I’m pretty sure making crit bonus your dump stat isn’t right

[radiant frigate]

our quartermaster

[zinc phoenix]

Oh right fuck that guy he can eat a dick

Sit on it and spin brunt

[kindred edge]

I've been enjoying my EK staff with +carapace +crit chance, Surge, and Nexus. Build is mostly right side for crit stuff. With peril buildup a crit from rclick does really good damage, and you can spam the shit out of lclick for decent DPS too.

[jovial juniper]

I got a plan

Warp unbound Brain Burst

It must be shit

But it's a plan

[kindred edge]

So just spam BB with no explode? That is a plan.

[plucky flax]

Why dump crit bonus? Xd

You want to spam creeping flames as well so make sure to spec left side.

[dawn crypt]

u want crit instead of warp resistance

[upper sun]

can someone join my team and revive me real quick

i have 2 smykers

had

[ancient plover]

what are go to blessings on force sword?

[dawn crypt]

slaughter deflection i heard

or u can go more dmg

swap out deflect

[kindred edge]

Uncanny Slaughterer IIRC

[dawn crypt]

btw how good is relentless blessing in general

duration only 2 sec

[ancient plover]

this is normal right?

[radiant frigate]

bosskilling tool

[eternal junco]

yes

[kindred edge]

It's okay, it's just that opportunity cost-wise there's usually something better.

[ancient plover]

are they adding one more or are they removing the points?

[radiant frigate]

2nd hive city dlc will come with an extra blessing for surge staff

stay tuned for more

[ancient plover]

[night moat]

Psyker Anatheum places crit as the dump stat on surge staffs. The bonus isn't really worth it. Dude did the number crunching.

[plucky flax]

If you want less crit chance and crit damage then fair.

[night moat]

It's crit damage BONUS, not chance.

4.1 Critical Damage and Weakspot Damage
The damage calculation for +Critical Damage and +Weakspot Damage makes them quite lacking unless the amount gained is huge (closer to +100%) and the weapon in question already has a big baseline critical or weakspot multiplier. This is because these modifiers only increase the additional damage portion of the critical or weakspot attack and not the whole damage.

As an example, if your attack normally deals 100 damage and 150 damage on a weakspot hit, +10% weakspot damage will make this 100 + 501.1 = 155 damage instead of what you would expect (1501.1 = 165).

[plucky flax]

Inspect the stat.

Between 60 and 80 I recall around 4% less crit chance.

[lethal lagoon]

There's chance at the bottom bud, it says it's for melee, but that's just a tooltip error.

[night moat]

Goddamn devs.

[lethal lagoon]

[night moat]

Good to know. I'll try rolling a different dump stat.

[plucky flax]

https://tenor.com/view/homer-simpson-homer-dance-gif-23875943

[night moat]

That might be why it's felt so shitty. ;_;

[lethal lagoon]

We need to have a conversation about your sexual attraction to homer simpson

[lethal lagoon]

Nah, the playstyle is probably just different than you are used to.

Think "crackhead"

[night moat]

LMAO

So, WR dump?

[plucky flax]

Dumb as a rock work a high paying job with nice family 3 kids.

[lethal lagoon]

ye 60 warp resist

[plucky flax]

American dream.

[night moat]

SOmeone on Reddit did the math and showed Homer actually could afford that on his nuclear plant salary. Same with Al Bundy.

[lethal lagoon]

Let's pretend 32% of US citizens are agaisnt nuclear power. What % of that do you think is because of how dumb Nuclear Power Plant workers are portrayed in Simpsons?

[night moat]

And Al Bundy was a shoe salesman.

[night moat]

Probably higher than I'm comfortable with. I've become so jaded by America and how uneducated the common person is here.

[lethal lagoon]

Yeah but are you willing to live within 25 miles of a nuclear power planT

[night moat]

I already do. Lmao

[lethal lagoon]

I feel like everytime I've asked that

That has been the reply

How does this always happen?

[dawn crypt]

whats perk blessings for voidblast?

[plucky flax]

Yeah it's safe

[night moat]

I live near Limerick Generating Station in Montgomery County

[lethal lagoon]

Yeah I also wouldn't care, actually close is better cause the blast will kill you.

I think I live within 100 miles of one

I'll have to double check

[lethal lagoon]

blazing spirit and warp nexus

[radiant frigate]

but one time he said he had 3 kids and no money, and lamented that he can't have no kids and 3 money

[lethal lagoon]

Flak 25% and 5 % crit chance

[night moat]

Nuclear should be invested in way more, tbh. Idiot capitalists just stay away from it primarily because it takes a bigger cost upfront to stand up and only outperforms a natural gas plant by year 9.

It's long term planning, and politicians only operate on 4 year visions

So natural gas always wins

[lethal lagoon]

Imagine your energy bill being $9 dollars

[radiant frigate]

most nuclear power plants are not chernobyl

[lethal lagoon]

I WAS JUST ASKING

[night moat]

LOL

Madge

[radiant frigate]

• most countries are not run by communists, so hopefully smart enough to boil water

(i hope)

[night moat]

People are also like "OH, BUT LOOK AT FUKUSHIMA AND THE MUTANT FISH IN JAPAN". And like... everything irradiated was clean within a year

[plucky flax]

Good TV shows

[lethal lagoon]

Breh I feel like all countries are idiots on nuclear powe atm

[night moat]

Iran is not, but they're also morons on about everything else.

[lethal lagoon]

Yeah but with Iran... if you tell me they aren't trying to make nukes, I'll eat my socks.

[night moat]

Oh, they are for sure. Lol

[radiant frigate]

it's called iran because when i saw it i ran away from it as fast as possible

[lethal lagoon]

🧦

It's called an xbox 360 because when you see it, you do a 360 and walk away.

[radiant frigate]

real

[night moat]

I keep waiting for a real war to break out over this Israel dogshit

[radiant frigate]

i keep waiting for people over there to stop killing the shit out of each other

alas, wishful thinking

[night moat]

They won't. 😐

Religion does crazy things.

[lethal lagoon]

If boeing wasn't losing their minds atm, I would have divested some money into their stock

[radiant frigate]

it is impressive and terrifying to see what evil man is capable of if he believes his cause to be just

[night moat]

It's almost like we need some kind of human deity figure to come to power and unite all of mankind in a grand crusade that places logic and science above superstition and religion.

[lethal lagoon]

I welcome our A.I overlords

[kindred edge]

Worked out great for the Imperium.

[plucky flax]

Lisan A I gaib

[lethal lagoon]

TBF, if he wasn't a corpse, it might have worked out.

[radiant frigate]

alternate solution proposed by internet dwellers https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/510832391284326431/1291402870402584586/IMG_20241003_161343.jpg?ex=6703eca5&is=67029b25&hm=7aa1f3b7df178c3bbe67ce507c7ab86380d6141f6f1b706fb88b1b597b4fbb4b&=&format=webp

[dawn crypt]

lol

[lethal lagoon]

Some the things people suggested post 9/11 are wild

And they often meant it literally

[radiant frigate]

killing millions of people is bad actually

[kindred edge]

I joined the military bc of 9/11. Seems really silly in retrospect.

[lethal lagoon]

You could just be having a normal conversation, and insert "let's glass the middle east" in there. No one batted an eye.

[patent wing]

u may not like it, but this is what peak performance looks like

[lethal lagoon]

I hate everything about it

[radiant frigate]

the crusher should fear the purgatus

[lethal lagoon]

Also really, no blaze away?

[radiant frigate]

no that would make it less scuffed

[dawn crypt]

i heard most american politicians are jewish and isreal is obviously funded by america. and you wonder why US isnt stepping in to intervene is because they have an interest in conflict

[night moat]

Isn't quell supposed to be dump stat on it?

[patent wing]

cant even switch to melee without losing BA

[night moat]

I really don't believe most politicians here are Jewish..

[patent wing]

meanwhile i pre cook them and melee them

[radiant frigate]

perhaps not, but likely idiotic

[lethal lagoon]

I assume he was memeing in regards to the image.

Jesus my english today

I give up

[near wyvern]

\ Sibling takes a flamethrower
\ Sibling starts to slap enemies instead
\ Sibling is proud of themselves

Now I know why Cadia fell.

[night moat]

I like that one clip of the guy commenting on democracy.

Democracy is by the people, for the people, of the people.. but the people, they are ret*****.

[lethal lagoon]

Cadia fell because they were too cringe. The reinforcements got second hand embarassment and left.

[patent wing]

so many lore experts here

i dont even know what cadia is

[night moat]

CADIA STANDS.

That's all you need know.

[lethal lagoon]

^

See

Yuck

[patent wing]

but it stacks right
right?

https://tenor.com/view/padme-gif-24474700

[near wyvern]

Brittleness ans Rending cap at +100%. Uncanny Strike caps at +100%. If you have Uncanny Strike stacked, brittleness does absolutely nothing.

[patent wing]

it gives bonus dmg tho

[lethal lagoon]

Not to warpfire

[patent wing]

no need to

[near wyvern]

It gives bonus damage in the sense +10 % crit damage can be considered bonus damage. Theoretically yes, practically negligible.

And if you mean brittleness gives bonus damage after uncanny strike is fully capped, no it doesn't

[patent wing]

gooddamn
but crushers die so fast to vets with PF

[near wyvern]

Britleness and rending stack additively together and are capped at +100%

[radiant frigate]

PF?

[patent wing]

pen flame

[night moat]

Penetration.

[glass plume]

Penetration.

[near wyvern]

No, they die so fast to Veterans because they are running proper rending on their build

[fallow dock]

Steel legion approves

[patent wing]

idk but i think most vets dont run both rending and brittleness and even if, it doesnt stack to 100%

[near wyvern]

If you want to see a crusher die fast, take surge nexus void with gaze and +carapace on the staff

[patent wing]

i got this one

[fallow dock]

Tbf the conflict is more of a one over land than over religion

[near wyvern]

That will do

[patent wing]

maybe elite dmg

[fallow dock]

(Late ik)

[zinc phoenix]

What on earth is that from? Wasteland rpg?

[primal plume]

Why do

[pine sail]

I'm a little new (50 hours played) but starting to figure out what class/build I like a lot. My favorite/best so far is Psyker with Force Sword/Fire Staff, doing lvl 3-4 missions smoothly.

I have questions about Blaze Force Sword. Main question is, do they all have the same block values/mechanics or is one better for blocking than others? I don't see info in the stats so I assume they're all the same.

Also is it correct to assume Obscurus w/heavy attacks using warp power are best for a force sword to kill monstrosities/armored units or is it more complicated?

Currently I understand them as Obscurus = best for large warp damage single target, Deimos best for single target dps or killing small hordes with headshots, Illisi maybe good for cleave but probably not great compared to other 2 swords

[fallow dock]

Pretty sure obscurus is the black sheep of force swords

Haven’t seen anyone use/recommend it over Deimos or illisi before u

[near wyvern]

@patent wing and once you get around 15-20 stacks from gaze don't bother doing more than half charges

Use LMB in general and then when you find a good line start blasting with RMB. Whenever you see elites pop gaze.

Eats crushers for breakfast

[patent wing]

wait what warp charges with scriers?

[near wyvern]

Cool down reduction

[zinc phoenix]

Alright ima try that that’s wacky 😂

[pine sail]

Well I rarely use the forcesword, normally spamming fire on everything, so I am only using it for killing big units sometimes

[zinc phoenix]

Any special curio fuckery or just the usual stuff?

[patent wing]

is it really worth givin up dd

[near wyvern]

+carapace +crit or +carapace +unyielding for perks, surge nexus blessings and 60 blast radius

[near wyvern]

Gaze gives you finesse and crit chance

[zinc phoenix]

I’ve been meaning to go for a left click go brrrt build

[dawn crypt]

this build is flame staff?

[near wyvern]

Void

[fallow dock]

Oh yeah fair, I find brain burst a good elite/special killing complement for the inferno staff but that’s just me

[proper osprey]

The best thing to pair with it

[fallow dock]

I think I’ve heard Deimos has the strongest push attack if you’re looking to keep horses away so u can roast them more but I may be misremembering

[fallow dock]

Let’s goooo

[pine sail]

I know thats the normal build but to be honest I'm using lightning with firestaff for more variation in crowd control basically, and I don't think it's ideal compared to brain burst but I really enjoy it.

Because the main thing I've noticed in losing games (in 3-4 star difficulty) is we die to overwhelming hordes, never to specials or elites or bosses or anything like that. So I just focus on controlling everything to help allies not die.

The Force sword blocking bullets is essential to playing this tank style, so I'm really not doing melee much, only vs bosses or something sometimes

I use the Venting Shriek for more control and spam lightning or fire forever

[fallow dock]

Ahh do I assume empowered psionics is there too and that u mostly melee elites and whatnot?

[near wyvern]

Brain Burst is terribly slow for dealing with elites and specials but yes, it is very good with Inferno staff because you can get the gunners and snipers on the other side of the room, complementing the staff.

[pine sail]

I really don't think my build is ideal but it's fun lol

No purple powers, and also I'm only lvl 22 so I don't have all the talents yet

[fallow dock]

Ahh fair enough

[near wyvern]

Assail is the way to go while leveling

[fallow dock]

Empowered psionics makes smite actually do more than tickle enemies so it’s imo a must have for smitekers

[kindred edge]

Obscurus is the worst force sword. Deimos is best for single target, Illisi for horde clear.

[pine sail]

Deimos is better vs the armored ogryns?

I use the Obscurus to warp heavy attack them

[pine sail]

I'll try it when I get more points, sounds interesting

[fallow dock]

Yeah 300% damage is significant

[near wyvern]

The special in Deimos and Obscurus is a very bad habit especially on the higher difficulties of the game, where you will get killed during the animation.

With Deimos you spam Light Heavy (in that order) and use the Uncanny Strike blessing to deal with armoured targets. The heavy makes the armoured ogryns sit down.

[fallow dock]

I’d say use surge staff with smite so you can kill lone enemy ogryns and get those pesky gunners and specials, then use Deimos or illisi to deal with hordes

[dawn crypt]

so 59% vs 60 vs 61% warp resistance on staff makes 0 difference right?

[fallow dock]

Bc empowered psionics has limited charges u wanna save it for when things get a bit dicier than a bunch of poxwalkers

[pine sail]

Cool, didn't know Demios can stagger them

[lethal lagoon]

If all the other stats are 80, no, it makes no difference.

It's a rounding error

[dawn crypt]

anyone know where i can get talent builds ?

[flat shadow]

im an obscurus believer

it just doesnt deal with carapace in two shots like the deimos or cleave through 80 people like the illisi it does a little of both

[flat shadow]

deimos for hordes?

wat

[dawn crypt]

illisi for horde

deimos stab attack hits hard as hell. u can 1 shot mutant with it

[flat shadow]

maybe i misunderstood his wording

[ancient plover]

this assail build is crazy

[lethal lagoon]

Okay but Sir Onky and Hammer Helmut, you clearly lose the name category.

[ancient plover]

true

[zinc phoenix]

man the modern psyker builds with ER are so much flimsier LOL

i love it, its awesome

[zinc phoenix]

ok i rate this reasonably good

usual void problem of wide open area == you are useless but the lmb spam is kinda fun

smite is honestly not a great fit in the build tho

You don’t really need the panic button because void has excellent stagger and anyway you’re perilmaxing so often 😂

[dawn crypt]

is this right?

and this

[sweet steeple]

what y'alls favorite melee to go with a staff build

[dawn crypt]

force swords the best

[night moat]

Illisi Mk 5

[dawn crypt]

then u can use combat axe rashad or dueling swords

[sweet steeple]

never know when to use the special on illisi, doesnt seem like it does too much

[dawn crypt]

someone did the calculation way back

u can use regular attack, charged regular, or charged heavy

theres a dps calculation

they all work

[night moat]

Use whatever complements your staff.

[sweet steeple]

voidstrike goes brrrr

[dawn crypt]

ya if u got flame staff, then u can go deimos

[night moat]

Surge and voidstrike, I do a horde clear weapon. Purg and voidblast, I do something focused like a dueling

RIP

[dawn crypt]

illisi and deimos can almost do everything

same with surge staff

[analog agate]

Oof, I just tried electro staff. Feels like absolute dog without working flurry

[night moat]

Just watched a vet named Jesus Christ solo an auric maelstrom.