psyker-class

[halcyon gust]

Would be nice....If other vets shout more often

I swear I been getting vets that don't shout when they have it

[rotund fable]

I just got a recon lasgun as a mission reward...

https://tenor.com/view/this-is-worthless-gravity-falls-dipper-pines-worthless-gif-25136060

[lone wing]

stats are fine
dumdum is fine
not sure if sustain is good or not
perks are ASS

[halcyon gust]

Times I wish you can transfer weapons to other classes (As long as they can use them of course)

[zinc sphinx]

veteran using the stubber

[upper sun]

do you have another recon?

[halcyon gust]

Ogryn with Thunder hammer

[upper sun]

if not get sustained and call it a win

[rotund fable]

Doesn't sustained fire only proc if you burst fire...?

[upper sun]

ye

if you hold down you get one proc

[rotund fable]

yes, but like... it would only proc for 2 shots then not proc again unless you let up and hold down again right?

[upper sun]

ye

[lone wing]

you'd think the blessing called sustained fire would like, idk, reward SUSTAINED FIRE

[upper sun]

begain again... and know when to let go.......

[lone wing]

can we get a rename on the blessing fatshark please and thankyou, burst fire moment

[pine tundra]

Should I upgrade Left or Right one?

[lone wing]

personally

left

[upper sun]

theyre both fine

[lone wing]

i like low warp res

[upper sun]

just change unarmored to flak on one

[lone wing]

:)

[rotund fable]

I am told that it used to build up to the percentage boost the longer you continued to shoot, then maintained that boost until you let up...

[upper sun]

and run n gun to nexus on the other

[upper sun]

i legit cant notice the difference

[lone wing]

my goal is to get my hands on a single digit warp res and 80 every other stat

moar shriek spam = moar warp charge = moar purge staff spam
repeat cycle

[upper sun]

woah itll do 27 peril for a full charge instead of 25 peril

[rotund fable]

Left honestly. you wouldnt think that small percentage in cloud radius would make a diference, but it does come in handy at times.

[upper sun]

wowowowieiwow

[lone wing]

2% is a lot for these staffs for no reason

[lone wing]

[rotund fable]

Purgatus is janky, yes

[upper sun]

for every stat except damage and warp res

[lone wing]

real

80% damage is still nice to have

[upper sun]

is it

IS IT

[lone wing]

100% stat bars when though

[upper sun]

how much damage does damage actually do?

[lone wing]

that 1-3 damage difference (for some reason) does a LOT

[upper sun]

i tried one with 80 and 60

and it only effect the rmb

and not by much

[lone wing]

i mean

i mainly use rmb

purge crit

[upper sun]

wap res does effect rmb

but thats about it

[halcyon gust]

I say right.

You didn't use up already use up one of your fixes on it

[lone wing]

replace unarmoured with flak and run n gun with warp flurry
free tbh

purge staff FUCKS flak

maulers are nothing compared to the staff and i love it

[rotund fable]

legit... burn stat on purgatus only needs to be at 76% to hit it's cap of 16 max soulblaze stacks... but at 78% your cloud is suddenly large enough to (occasionally, and inconsistently) ignite some enemies behind you if you do the charged attack and walk backwards.

[lone wing]

see, i use the staff for the 16
then i use shriek to add MORE on top of that (because you can and it's really fucking funny)

[rotund fable]

I am told that wildfire also adds it's "up to 4" on top of that, though i have not tested it.

[lone wing]

it all synergizes very well

[late yew]

Is gear update already here?

[lone wing]

no

[brazen rampart]

The 26th of September.

[lone wing]

they could have done a funny and set it for the 21st of september

[potent echo]

yuh

i think its pretty decent to prebake horde behind, around, above, below, etc

its just more fire

[brazen rampart]

After learning how wildfire works... gotta say, its only real use is lighting a horde up in lights out.

[gray moss]

hello fellow insane people

[brazen rampart]

Because it's "up to four, divided among targets it could hit".

[potent echo]

its up to you to decide if its worth +15toughness

after trying it on blaze trauma its not the worst

just helps you reach the 6~ stack BP that kills off all trash

[lone wing]

purge staff. you'll always have multiple deaths at once causing it to spread very fast

causign more deaths and more spread of the flame

[brazen rampart]

I'm of the opinion that fatshark should allow psyker DOT's to crit.

[potent echo]

perhaps

that would make purge even stronger though

[brazen rampart]

Make purg crit builds be a thing.

[potent echo]

and PC

[lone wing]

i would do many things

[potent echo]

purg is already like super brain dead easy to use

[brazen rampart]

That's literally a pyromancer skill from rogue trader, btw.

[potent echo]

once you figure out movement its just autopilot

[brazen rampart]

Any and all DOT's inflicted by the psyker gain crit chance equal to their current crit chance.

[potent echo]

i would want psyker fire to be the cooler orange fire too but 🤷‍♂️

[brazen rampart]

I actually think soulblaze looks really nice...

[potent echo]

my first playthrough was melee pyro

its so fun

too bad its nerfed quite badly

[brazen rampart]

It's actually still op as hell.

Take arch militant as your 2nd class and you basically get to cast molten beam once for free every turn once you get your heroic action.

That includes turns given to you by an officer.

So my current character is taking out bosses in one round.

[late yew]

what is funny about it?

[brazen rampart]

The heretek on your forge world, the one that pops up with 3 forge fiends for a boss fight, I oneshot 2 of the forge fiends.

The third one blasted my psyker in one shot, though, because he is squishy.

[potent echo]

but you no longer get like

[brazen rampart]

Need to get rep with the xenotech guys so I can get the psyker breastplate.

[potent echo]

x2 damage from the firemelee buff

[brazen rampart]

Yeah, but it's guaranteed damage, now.

[potent echo]

true

[brazen rampart]

As long as you're on fire, even a parry or a miss deals full burning damage to your target.

[potent echo]

but i also oneturned the final boss on brutal(?)

he didnt even get to move

[brazen rampart]

Also, you can do a funny with psyker powers and the one skill that burns people when you cast them.

[potent echo]

yea actually i have to cast spells now instead of swinging sword

[brazen rampart]

Take sanctic powers and you can use word of the emperor, orchestrate flames, and any passive power you pick up from sanctic, and you basically get free, un-parryable, un-dodgable damage.

[potent echo]

santic also slightly nerfed

[brazen rampart]

Sanctic is still unbelievably busted.

[potent echo]

idk if you can still gain momentum during turns granted to you by officer

its so dumb

and when it goes back to them they get even more momentum from santic

[brazen rampart]

I bring Heinrix with me and he basically makes my 120ish damage molten beam go up to like 160ish damage.

Actually sickening to see things just get vaporized every time my psyker gets a turn.

The only issues I've found with the game is 1) I can't save mid dialogue, which is kind of a bummer, because I'm one of those people that wants to exploit every available opportunity, and 2) the Aurora boss fight was unbelievably unfair. Had to turn the difficulty way down to get through it.

It'd be fine if it was simply a build check fight, but considering he can take out 2-3 party members before you get a chance to act is way, way too dumb.

[potent echo]

i forgor who aurora was

[queen fog]

1 is one of my favorite activities in games with different dialogue options

[brazen rampart]

And, on top of that, his skils are cranked super high and the fight is time limited.

[queen fog]

“I wonder what I get outta this option”

[potent echo]

not having multiple officers with grandmaster trait that lets them go first smhmh

[brazen rampart]

The first traitor astartes you fight when you are escaping the Winterscale world before chaos consumes it.

[queen fog]

everything blows up ah yes very good

quickloads

[brazen rampart]

You're going to the stardock and he starts blowing up shuttles.

[potent echo]

ah that early you dont have enough bullshit

so its rng if he goes first and wipes you

[brazen rampart]

Exactly! It's way too hard for no reason.

[potent echo]

ironman runs lol

probably all end there

[brazen rampart]

More like "I am not doing a heretical playthrough but I still want to see Argenta's reaction."

[potent echo]

idk if you can even cheese it by sending 1 person in and the rest of the party behind

[brazen rampart]

You can't, I've tried.

[potent echo]

sad

[brazen rampart]

It teleports your whole party up to the stardock.

Oh, and get this! Half the section behind you has invisible areas!

Like sections you can't even stand in!

So the potential for cover just... isn't there...

[potent echo]

nice half cover

3 heavy bolter bursts later

[brazen rampart]

Yeah, the 3 spots where there is any cover is half cover...

It's also really, really stupid, because the bolter you pick up off him only does like 2-6 damage a shot.

And you can't even use it until you're like heretic, votary.

Not to mention the strength requirement...

When void shadows drops I'm going to do a heretic psyker playthrough so I can use the funny daemon blade.

[potent echo]

https://medal.tv/games/warhammer-40000-darktide/clips/1MNVOxBoQV1J3F/d1337dbrbNC4?invite=cr-MSxOUkUsMTk5OTY0MzA3LA

800 damage per hit mmm very balanced

[brazen rampart]

Is he using the sanctic force sword?

[potent echo]

yea

arch militant skill that -1AP for every unique attack you do

also warrior heroic act ofc

[upper sun]

no savant no loner

i will not play ur game

[potent echo]

theres idra

[upper sun]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r6fZ3bY6cO4

🤔 maybe.....

[steady aurora]

Scriers gaze with voidstrike is my new jam

[late yew]

ok, i forgot how op shriek + smite is

What do you think of smoke spammers?

[stuck spruce]

annoying

[zinc phoenix]

? its ludicrously easy

stack some guaranteed first turns and you can kill him before he gets to move

alright in fairness to you rogue trader has the single worst designed RPG system i have ever experienced

the performance delta between people who understand it and people who dont is just absurd

[potent echo]

you dont really have first turns during act 1 lol

[zinc phoenix]

you do

source, i absolutely killed him on unfair before he got to go

[potent echo]

whomst has it

[brazen rampart]

"Erm, play 100% efficiently or you're bad" 🤓

[zinc phoenix]

take two officers

[brazen rampart]

I shouldn't have to minmax to win the first boss fight.

[zinc phoenix]

get them the trait that lets them go first with officer actions

stack resolve

[potent echo]

isnt that the grand strategist that has that

[zinc phoenix]

use the resolve to trigger your heroic officer action

[potent echo]

oh that one

yea

[zinc phoenix]

no, officer has it too

[potent echo]

that was before i figured out officers were LITERALLY broken

[zinc phoenix]

yes, because the combat system is literally the dumbest ever created

you can get unlimited turns before the ai gets to move

[potent echo]

yuh

[brazen rampart]

All I'm currently hearing is "use a tactic that screws you out of profit factor and minmax the hell out of your team."

[zinc phoenix]

if you dont know how to do it, fine, the fight can be sorta hard

[zinc phoenix]

its three traits maybe four

[brazen rampart]

I'm not saying you can't do that, I'm saying it shouldn't be necessary.

[zinc phoenix]

very easy to set up and just requires you take your MC as an officer

[brazen rampart]

Yeah no, I'm not playing an officer as my rogue trader.

I am a sanctioned psyker and I burn shit for fun.

[potent echo]

i used sandbox mods to give me more officers

[zinc phoenix]

sure but step one for it to not be necessary is for the devs to not be stupid

[brazen rampart]

Just rebalance the encounter.

[zinc phoenix]

you can also beat the fight trivially without officer stacking

[brazen rampart]

It's that easy.

[zinc phoenix]

use the six sniper rifles you get

[brazen rampart]

Make Aurora not go first every time and it's dusted.

[zinc phoenix]

they give you them for a reason

spread out

shoot everything

idira can perma blind and strip all resistance, strength and dex off aurora

[brazen rampart]

You're assuming he doesn't knock 3 of my party members out in the first turn that he ALWAYS gets.

[zinc phoenix]

dont place your guys so that a single heavy bolter volley can get all three 5head

[brazen rampart]

Bruh.

He can literally just reposition.

[zinc phoenix]

yes

[brazen rampart]

There isn't a way not to set your targets up for collaterals.

[potent echo]

stand them in the open i guess

[zinc phoenix]

well thats news to me and the many people who manage it

[brazen rampart]

There's no cover in that area that's worth a damn and what cover IS there isn't enough for 6 people.

[potent echo]

oh hotfix just dropped for DT, no wonder i cant qp anything

[zinc phoenix]

you dont need to stick them all in cover

in fact i recommend against it

you just need to space them the f out

if he downs one guy you can get idira to stat nuke him and then stand that guy back up

[potent echo]

nice stats loser

-300 in everything

[zinc phoenix]

yep

its such a bad game

i love the writing and the characters are good

but the actual meat of the game is ass

[potent echo]

idk i think the power fantasy is really fun

[zinc phoenix]

and that's why theyre on their third rework of the combat system

[potent echo]

singleplayer anyway

yea im waiting for the dlc to relearn the whole game

[zinc phoenix]

i shouldnt have to download mods to make unfair even more difficult while also house ruling out half the classes

[potent echo]

i dont wear chastity belts

[brazen rampart]

Unfair is kind of funny after you get past the hurdle that is Aurora.

[potent echo]

or i just dont care about the game enough to do it

[zinc phoenix]

btw, i actually agree that its super lame that basically every class that isnt officer, warrior or the kill everything soldier prestige class is just garbage

[brazen rampart]

I found that one area where it was the black ship infested by Nurgle bs.

[zinc phoenix]

oh i always miss that until near the end of act 2

which, uh, the power differential is funny

[brazen rampart]

Pasqal wiped every room without any damage to any party member.

His bonus damage on successive plasma is nasty.

[potent echo]

bounty hunter is

sad

[brazen rampart]

It's actually quite good, but only on Pasqal, I find.

[zinc phoenix]

theres like two prestige classes that are actually good

[brazen rampart]

Nobody else can really dish out the damage to secure their own kills.

[zinc phoenix]

grand strategist is a hilariously good one but only because it gives you a billion free turns

the stupid boxes are basically only useful as a way to free move your entire party around

[potent echo]

grand strategist just to get the one that lets you go first lol

[brazen rampart]

It also allows you to decide who actually goes first.

[zinc phoenix]

nah the blitz strategem is the real killer

[potent echo]

if they work

sometimes it just ???

[brazen rampart]

Very useful for pyromancer because I get my setup turn 1 before I actually get to do anything.

[zinc phoenix]

you can plop it down and free move the entire party massive distances

[potent echo]

my units run the other way

like whyt

[zinc phoenix]

also characters who are doing the free move have access to some of their own actions and buffs

so you can stack like two dozen turns on a single grand strategist turn

[potent echo]

amd each time they gain turn they also gain momentum

[zinc phoenix]

yep

[potent echo]

santic lol

[zinc phoenix]

once you set down to breaking the game it loses interest even as a power fantasy thing

in wrath of the righteous you have to look things up to break the game

in rogue trader stacking free turns is so obviously powerful and available that you just stumble into it

resolve stacking is counter intuitive but if you work that one out and start getting heroics every turn combat becomes really dull

[potent echo]

dlc's adding new archetypes

[zinc phoenix]

ugh

[potent echo]

literally dex builds

[zinc phoenix]

90% chance theyre useless trash

the designers dont seem to understand their own combat system well enough to figure out what is actually useful

like say what you will about fatshark but they obviously grasp the fundamentals of the game and design weapons that make sense for how players interact with it

[potent echo]

free turn stuff is slowly getting phased out

from what i read

[zinc phoenix]

they said that with the first rework

and the second

somehow i can still generate unlimited free turns

so either theyre lying or theyre incompetent 🤷‍♀️

[rotund fable]

My preffered build in rogue trader was the good old "Sanctic officer buff guy who just whips out an emperor's wrath nuke at one point"

point at abelard and tell him to bring me some poor saps head, buff the team with sanctic powers, then just abuse the sanctic staff you can grab on footfall for my damage output

[late yew]

Bruh, of course, it is fuckn UNFAIR difficulty

which is too easy anyway

[late yew]

that's just Heinrix

[brazen rampart]

No, it's literally not "unfair," except for that specific instance of the game.

The rest of the game is a cakewalk. Even the bullshit that is space combat is easy as hell.

[late yew]

Aurora fight is very luck dependant, specifically very first turn

Either he does nothing at all

or kills 3 of your guys

after his first turn it is easy

[brazen rampart]

The only thing they did was overtune the shit out of Aurora.

If he didn't go first every fight, it would be a doable fight without turning the difficulty down.

*Without abusing mechanics.

If he had a simple lower agility score without affecting his other skills (as agility affects initiative) then the fight would not be so bad.

Or like, a simple malus to his initiative bonus.

[rotund fable]

Henrix starts as a warrior though... My prefered build for the player character is sanctic officer, playing like a DnD "bard" (as in, tossing out buffs and occasioanl debuffs with powerful scaling) while Heinrix is the "paladin" (pick an enemy and remove them from the battle, but also able to back off and heal or occasionally provide buffs)

[brazen rampart]

That is the correct way to make Heinrix, yeah.

He starts with one of the warrior skills that grants a bonus to dodge.

If you give him reckless attack and spec him as an assassin then he can basically pick one target every round and just about make sure that target dies.

[rotund fable]

I do that, on top of giving him the ancient force sword and blade of light talent.

[brazen rampart]

Stacking resolve with word of the emperor, then using hammer of the emperor and a force sword attack on a target's opening does a LOT of damage.

[late yew]

Vanguar is good for him because of possible Fel and resolve buffs

which all stakc nicely with Sanctic kit

[brazen rampart]

Yeah, but Abelard does that better.

[late yew]

Sword of Emperor or what the name of ability is nuts

=with 80 resolve it becomes so broken

[brazen rampart]

Abelard is the fucking Wall.

The only character I struggle to use now (save for Marazhai (because he's an asshole and I killed him) and the space wolf because I haven't gotten that far)) is Yrliet.

I don't fully know what order to use her abilities, yet.

Sometimes she hits for some really sick damage... sometimes she hits like a wet noodle...

[late yew]

bruh what

Yrliet so straight forward to play

[brazen rampart]

My brain is wired for melee attacks and psychic powers.

I don't fully know what order to be putting her abilities in to maximize the single target damage she can do.

[rotund fable]

Early game Abelard: Runs towards a sniper at mach 2 and shoves a chainsword into their sternum
Mid game Abelard: stands in the middle of 8 enemies menacingly, and not droping below 75% health
Late game Abelard: shrugs off the attack that 1-shot my space marine like it's nothing, then proceeds to smack the monster into a wall with his thunder hammer

[brazen rampart]

Like, Heinrix, being an assassin as well, makes sense to me. Word of the emperor, hammer of the emperor, elusive, move to an opening, psychic strike the opening, target is dead.

You gotta do a bit of mental gymnastics with Yrliet to make her work well, I find.

Like "is it worth it to shoot this guy that already has an opening facing her, or do I create an opening on this target instead?"

[brazen rampart]

Fellow Abelard Thammer enjoyer.

Greatswords aren't a bad choice for him, either.

The -10 malus to weapon skill he applies when he hits, stacked with disarm, and the parry bonus it grants him make him a very competent duellist.

[upper sun]

@latent mauve ""The curio perks that provide damage resistance against Mutants and Pox Hounds do nothing against the mutator breed variants; cultist_mutant_mutator and chaos_hound_mutator""

this you?

[zinc phoenix]

you can get hilarious damage numbers with that

like, five digit damage values

uncapped scaling on an easily stacked attribute is certainly something

also its aoe

so you can obliterate whole areas

before i got bored i was using him to one shot bosses

[rotund fable]

I typically run her as a bounty hunter. Mark an enemy with exploits, normal attack that enemy, if they still live, mark them as prey and blast them with the free attack from "claim the bounty" to finish them off, use extra AP to put something else in your sights, and if that enemy survives the hit at the start of your next turn, repeat.

[rotund fable]

These days it has the minimum damage roll of 1, which is sad, but also funny

[zinc phoenix]

i'll load up my game to look at my heinerick build

[zinc phoenix]

oh you will never get that

[brazen rampart]

Wait, you can respect Yrliet to be a bounty hunter? I thought she was locked in as an assassin.

[zinc phoenix]

meh id have to install it again never mind

anyway theres some gear that lets that staff scale off into infinity damage

very silly

[rotund fable]

She starts as an operative... her second archetype is your choice

[brazen rampart]

I am insane!

[rotund fable]

at least that's how it is right now

[zinc phoenix]

i killed her

[brazen rampart]

I could've made her a bounty hunter...

[zinc phoenix]

fuck xenos, all my homies hate xenos

i used her skull as a coffee mug

[brazen rampart]

You're a monster.

She literally doesn't want to fight humans.

[zinc phoenix]

tough shit

[brazen rampart]

She just wants to save her people...

[zinc phoenix]

her people are xenos

[rotund fable]

I kept her around, Craftworld eldar are tolerable... drukhari on the other hand...

[zinc phoenix]

nah fuck em all with a flamer

[brazen rampart]

And? The Emperor never said that xenos were completely intolerable. Those that do not stand in the way of Humanity may yet live.

[zinc phoenix]

the rules are clear:

is it a xeno?

• no: ok
• yes: fucking kill it moron

[brazen rampart]

Cringe!

Seems this man does not play as an iconoclast.

[zinc phoenix]

what's even better is i tried to kill her on our first meeting but she was so stupid she joined me against her own people

[brazen rampart]

(The true throne-loyal rogue trader way)

[zinc phoenix]

so i killed her after that for being a traitor and a xeno

[zinc phoenix]

iconoclast literally ends the game by seceding

its heresy with extra steps

[brazen rampart]

I mean, you could also not do that.

[zinc phoenix]

i also barbecued the brain eater

[brazen rampart]

You can be mainly dogmatic but have reservations as an iconoclast.

[zinc phoenix]

aint no ma like dogma

[brazen rampart]

...brain eater..?

[zinc phoenix]

yeah dude

she sets up on a station literally eatin fuckin brains

and talking about how shes emprah's greatest servant

[brazen rampart]

Who tf are you talking about?

[zinc phoenix]

like motherfucker you eat a brain youre a heretic

i dont care if it feels right

[zinc phoenix]

what act are you on?

[brazen rampart]

I haven't beaten act 2...

[zinc phoenix]

oh pretend i said nothing

[brazen rampart]

I dont care about spoilers, though.

[zinc phoenix]

this bitch a brain eater you will see

[rotund fable]

Started my 3rd playthrough, and I dont remember who you're talkin about...

[zinc phoenix]

its a major event in the game

i mean she literally starts scoopin out brains with a spoon in front of you

[brazen rampart]

I have a few sneaking suspicions about certain characters, like Pasqal might actually be the guy he is looking for, but he's got multiple personality disorder or something.

[zinc phoenix]

"this is how i work out who is a heretic *slurps brain*"

nah fam thats heretical and nasty

[brazen rampart]

Pasqal is honestly the only reason I'm still playing. The other characters, other than Yrliet and Heinrix don't really interest me.

[rotund fable]

OHHHH, now i know who you're talking about... I think i kinda just mentally checked out of that part and offed them on the spot.

[brazen rampart]

I'm keen to find the guy he's looking for or at least finishing his quest.

[zinc phoenix]

i first killed the other guy then killed her

i killed the other guy because he was like "yo dawg im totally willing to do a heresy to win" and i killed her because she ate a fucken brain

[brazen rampart]

Anyway, this brain eater person definitely deserves to die.

I'm going to bore a hole through them with a molten beam.

[zinc phoenix]

it turns out if you kill all the heretics the game gets a lot quieter

[zinc phoenix]

ironic

[brazen rampart]

Why?

[zinc phoenix]

youll understand when you fight her LMAO

[brazen rampart]

Is she also a pyromancer or something?

[zinc phoenix]

not as such

but she do love a good beam

[brazen rampart]

A psyker, at the very least?

[zinc phoenix]

the one person i didnt kill was idira which honestly i regretted about five minutes later

[brazen rampart]

Either way, the Emperor has vested within me the power of flame, and it will be what I cleanse the galaxy with.

[zinc phoenix]

but shes so absurdly good at just obliterating baddie stats and predicting bad shit that its kinda worth it

[brazen rampart]

Oh I turned Idira over to the Inquisition after the episode where she summoned a bunch of daemons aboard my ship.

[zinc phoenix]

meh that ship is so fucking full of demons it seemed kinda silly to blame her for doing it once

[rotund fable]

First couple time I fought her, I gave argenta the blessed bolter casing with the calibrated goggles and prescise bolter... most bosses basically ended up being stunlocked...

[zinc phoenix]

"oh no the ship is full of demons! must be a day ending in y"

[brazen rampart]

Well, to be fair, it's not like we needed more of them.

[zinc phoenix]

i stacked that shit with the heavy bolter

auto hitting heavy bolter is funny as fuck

[brazen rampart]

While the ship might be full of daemons, we definitely don't need a portable daemon generator running around.

[rotund fable]

sadly, blessed bolter casing only auto-hits single-shot attacks now

[brazen rampart]

I gave Argenta the blessed casing and the deadeye bolter.

Every time she shoots it, guaranteed crit.

She's a pistoleer in my game right now.

[zinc phoenix]

its funnier to give that to the swole marine

[brazen rampart]

Well I don't have him right now.

[zinc phoenix]

why do i feel like hes the character most often modded for romance

LOL

[rotund fable]

On my second run i played as a comissar trader, with some talents that did funny things when i landed crits.

[zinc phoenix]

auto critting teammates is the ideal strategy

[rotund fable]

every single shot applied like 8 diferent debuffs

[zinc phoenix]

imagine shooting the enemy as a commisar 😂

[brazen rampart]

Hes probably the most interesting male companion aside from Heinrix or Pasqal.

[rotund fable]

the gigachad Comissar Caiphas Cain would never

[zinc phoenix]

hes very one note and cant fit through many doors

[brazen rampart]

And last I checked, tech priests might be missing some "equipment" needed for a romance...

[zinc phoenix]

they had to widen most of the sets because they werent designed for a player chungus

[brazen rampart]

So what, we just fuckin leave him behind sometimes?

[zinc phoenix]

turns out pasqual is packing eighteen modded dong appendages

[brazen rampart]

Or does he just noclip through a doorway.

[brazen rampart]

I feel like I'd probably get killed by him for making fat jokes...

Or, at the very least, he'd let me bleed out.

[zinc phoenix]

hah his medical skills are non existent

[rotund fable]

I mean... he's a space wolf... the cannonically had a captain who was an obese drunk, and said captain just laughed it all off.

[zinc phoenix]

also recruiting him is legit hilarious

despite all my rage i am still just a rat in a cage

• space marine, probably

act 3 is easily the best act imo

only one where i genuinely felt in danger on a regular basis

[rotund fable]

Would you belive that, on my first run, I missed the opportunity to recruit him because i didnt realize that the shift button highlighted stuff?

I felt like such an idiot

[zinc phoenix]

oh i also love that the ending of act 3 permits a beautiful conclusion as a dogmatic

and by that i mean you get to bring some holy fire to a lot of jackasses

including one particular jackass who thinks hiding behind a thing no sane person would destroy will make him safe

jokes on you mfer

[haughty star]

Soyker

Siren enjoyers enjoy soyker

[plucky flax]

How about some psyker presentation.

Dunno if the testers are still all ogryns and zealots or not, with a few vets here anad there.

[upper sun]

🤷‍♂️ i told u to volunteer for an unpaid 18:00 to 22:00 job

but nooo

unironically tho we only have jctlive

hes pretty much the only one that's got our backs 😭

[plucky flax]

Sorry being a play tester doesn't increase my epeen.

[upper sun]

some of the play testers got to show off the new weapons like one day before the update release

[lavish glade]

Pyskers can get their presentation on the black ships

[upper sun]

but seriously it too time consuming

and if i had the choice between playing darktide v1beta and darktide v1.2alpha

[vestal fulcrum]

There are Psyker players there for sure.

[upper sun]

id choose the public release

[plucky flax]

Yeah I already don't have much time to play games these days. So when I play I want to get rewards from it.

And not just be unpaid tester. Xd

Need to hoard more plasteels.

[plucky flax]

Are they good psykers or some random guys?

[upper sun]

you get paid with plasteel

unironically

[plucky flax]

I don't think test client transfer over to live client.

[upper sun]

it doesnt but they gave some playtesters injections for their main account

[plucky flax]

It should be a separate instance of game no?

Do they actually? Source?

[upper sun]

telo got a 300k plasteel on stream once

but yeah i wouldnt do it

i dont wanna play an even more unstable version of DT

[mental grail]

I would

but I'm a console pleb mostly

[upper sun]

🤔 idk if they do console playtesting

[mental grail]

I was a supertester for WoT way back

fun times

I don't remember if they gave you anything extra

I think an emblem and some premium time maybe

the main reward was the endless "what tank is that" messages you would get spammed

[vestal fulcrum]

@digital narwhal is a good player, from what I’ve heard. IDK how the rest of the core playtesting cast looks like, but jsat is a player that plays a bit of each class (IDK how actively they do participate in the tests though), so is Hank, telopots, Tyr (maybe? I only saw Tyr playing once in a public as a Zealot, but their knowledge of the game’s mechanics and caveats is immense)

[zinc phoenix]

i do testing for several games but not darktide

i actually turned down a test role for a game recently because it was uncompensated and they wanted a copy of my license

like if you're gonna pay me or give me free shit in a live service game fine, you can have my license. but zero comp volunteer no way are you getting PII

slitherine are probably the worst team to volunteer for because they dont even give you a discount on the game

eugen are probably the best because its long term dlc so they give you hundreds of dollars of dlcs for free

[mental grail]

It helps that WoT is free and they typically gave you free premium for you test work.

[zinc phoenix]

paradox are stingy fuckers

i tested for victoria 2 for years, no free shit

they sent me an in person testing offer for triumph from paradox recently and i turned that shit down without regret because they always treated testers like dirt in the past

[mental grail]

They would typically give you a 7 day or 28 day premium depending on certain criteria.

[zinc phoenix]

yeah thats not a bad deal

[mental grail]

It works out to quite a bit of money now that I think on it lol. Great guys.

[zinc phoenix]

actually funnily enough im part of the group of testers that wiz called terrorists because we wanted him to fix the broken shit in v2

and wouldnt let up about it

[mental grail]

WG US never did that for us. I think the EU side did in-person, but I'm not sure.

[zinc phoenix]

yeah well the flight wasnt comped and i dont live in europe so i let them know to never email me again 🤷‍♀️

[mental grail]

The flight wasn't comped??

[zinc phoenix]

yeah

idk how paradox has such a great rep because theyre honestly a shitty company

[plucky flax]

Yeah but no psyker main.

We need psyker main.

[mental grail]

WG does comped flights and is typically pretty generous, which contrasts with all the criticism they get publicly.

Paradox always seemed a little fishy with how they run their service model. But nice to know it isn't unfounded.

[mental grail]

I refuse!

[plucky flax]

It's okay we don't need our people in play test.

Psyker most op we will always prevail.

Blaze trauma still worst staff btw please buff

[zinc phoenix]

Based trauma

Causing mental damage to the baddies

get therapy cultist scum

Oh I also tested for wrath of the righteous for a bit but one of the mods malded and banned me because I called Soesiel a thirsty sexual predator who wouldn’t leave me alone

Which is true, don’t talk to that man about paint whatever you do

[vestal fulcrum]

Even I don’t play Psyker as main

Turns out that throwing pencils around is a bit dull

But I do play a lot of Vet and Ogryn

Psyker is my 3rd most played class

[digital narwhal]

My 2nd most played is Psyker and I dare say I’m better with Psyker than Ogryn.

[mental grail]

I only play psyker

[digital narwhal]

A majority of my focus is on Ogryn and Psyker for sure tbh.
Can’t say about what though, of course.

[mental grail]

I don't play blunts

[digital narwhal]

Hi Dorn :)

[latent mauve]

I shaved my beard and got id checked fml

[plucky flax]

If psyker is not your highest level you're not psyker main.

[upper sun]

is it just me or does the new heavy pick have swapping issues?

[latent mauve]

Psyker is 1/10th of my zealot

[upper sun]

i feel like i cant rock quickly enough when i use the bronx pick 😭

[arctic shard]

Hello Mr dorn I need to join that server for those stickers pls n thank 😔

[latent mauve]

I can’t invite you

If you consume the right media you can find it yourself

[mossy oyster]

there is a place

[fresh reef]

this might be the most deranged build I've ever crafted

peril-related buffs foregone in favor of gambling for crits

[mossy oyster]

https://tenor.com/view/yo-whats-up-im-eminem-and-youre-white-begin-slenderman-eminem-epic-rap-battles-of-history-gif-22278381

[latent mauve]

In New Orleans

[restive ice]

https://tenor.com/view/sunrise-sun-sunshine-nature-orange-gif-21208168

[upper sun]

flayer bad

[mossy oyster]

flesh tearer psyker

[fresh reef]

disagree

[mossy oyster]

ouch

[latent mauve]

Putting flesh tearer on a knife cringe

Lacerate uncanny

[mossy oyster]

im more of a precog/uncanny/riposte type of abuser myself

[fresh reef]

flayer procs a lot on void m1 spam

[fresh reef]

uncanny on a nonpurg build

vomit inducing

[latent mauve]

Uncanny goated always

[upper sun]

uncanny goes on all weapons

[fresh reef]

hard disagree

it's good only if you have bad finesse rolls, or are stacking DoTs against carapace

[mossy oyster]

wrong 80 finesse uncanny

pop scriers w/ precog

weakspot maxxing

finesse maxxing

[fresh reef]

replace uncanny with riposte please god I beg you

[mossy oyster]

this person thinks I want to crit

[fresh reef]

good point actually

I'm just too critpilled to like uncanny

please excuse my insanity

[mossy oyster]

finesse increases crit dmg true but

weakspot maxxing

[fresh reef]

running this myself for the funny poke stick

[mental grail]

Why.

Why is your knife a gun?

[orchid shadow]

So no one can accuse you of bringing a knife to a gun fight.

[fresh reef]

Don't worry about it

Beating heretics to death with the grip of an ammoless revolver is a lot funnier than shanking them I think

[brazen rampart]

This is enraging to look at.

[fresh reef]

Elaborate

[mossy oyster]

he probably doesnt have a dclaw

(its hard to find good ones,harder to make them)

[atomic swan]

its okay

i run void with prescience aura and scrier for even more crit chance

[fresh reef]

That's not a Dclaw

[fresh reef]

I couldn't live with myself if I took Prescience

Critmaxxing is one thing, but I need the CDR damn it

[mossy oyster]

ah the illusions of the warp finally got me

ggs

[fresh reef]

gg wp

[tulip kettle]

wtf have i walked into

[tulip kettle]

starting here, no, it doesnt?

it procs the same as on anything else, it has an intenral cooldown

and will proc as soon as it can when its off cd

as for your takes on uncanny, just awful 🙂 uncanny is objectively one of the strongest blessings in the game and is going to give you measurable value any time its relevant at all, which is a lot more often than riposte of all things

[broken carbon]

do you watch tanner

[fresh reef]

It's a % chance to proc, no?

[tulip kettle]

no

[fresh reef]

What

When tf did they change that

[tulip kettle]

never.

it procs on the next attack that does not otherwise kill the enemy, when it is off cooldown

[mossy oyster]

its so ass 🥹

[tulip kettle]

yeah it just lies

unless they have changed it to actually function like that, but it never did before

that would be a more recent change but i have not tested flayer since like march

[mossy oyster]

even then

a 15 second internal CDR

🤢

if it was shorter it would warrant some usage

imo

[tulip kettle]

so yeah, basically, you hit a 100hp poxwalker for 99 dmg

flayer procs, does 1 dmg, and goes on 15 sec cd

[fresh reef]

Thank you Fatshark descriptionitis for continuing to misinform me

[tulip kettle]

if you could control it, or it had a 10% with no internal cooldown, it would be cool

[mossy oyster]

https://www.nexusmods.com/warhammer40kdarktide/mods/210

[mossy oyster]

10% with no internal CDR on purg

or blazing trauma

or Smite

😩

[tulip kettle]

i mean you think it would be broken but if you think about it

[mossy oyster]

i know

[tulip kettle]

it probably wouldnt be

[mossy oyster]

you just have to be lucky

numbers wise

like when I popped scrier's assail and battle meditation kept me under 50% peril

lmfao

[tulip kettle]

yeah that one time in a million where you lmb with purgatus and the whole horde just pops

[mossy oyster]

most satisfying bubble wrapper on atoma

besides void strike w/ surge

[tulip kettle]

i think flayer still can have a place in a very specific build

[mossy oyster]

same

[fresh reef]

Followup question since my takes are evidently based on very wrong ingame descriptions, Uncanny good why?

[mossy oyster]

but the niche is too annoying

to warrant it

[mossy oyster]

just increases dmg all around

[tulip kettle]

if you are running 2 weapons that reliably, 100% of the time kill all trash mobs in one

and yes, unvanny interacts with the ADM's to increase dmg against every target

[mossy oyster]

uncanny synergizes with shit like bleed/ and soul blaze(?)

[tulip kettle]

blessings on weapons no longer effect blitzes and other weapons

[mossy oyster]

bleed im confident on (cause im a dirty zealot)

[tulip kettle]

but can still proc on DoT's

[fresh reef]

Isn't it required to hit consecutive weak spots?

[mossy oyster]

tell me

how hard is it to miss the head

in a horde scenario normally

uncanny is just free dmg

basically

[tulip kettle]

and also, do you CARE abouyt uncanny vs hordes

i would say no

[mossy oyster]

hordes = uncanny stacks

thats all it is

or how I look at it

[fresh reef]

Cleave head into chest, I guess

[tulip kettle]

you care about it vs maulers, crushers, mutants

[mossy oyster]

^

thats where you get to the funny one shots

and BPs and all that

[fresh reef]

What about for boss damage? Isn't the rending bonus insignificant there?

[tulip kettle]

and on those, uncanny for example will take a duelling sword from a 5 heavy weakspot to kill, down to 2

[mossy oyster]

uncanny only falls off against bosses imo

in that position

precognition shines more

this is why precog/uncanny are usually swapped in or out of melee weapons

or uncanny/riposte

[restive ice]

hitting that chest won’t make you lose uncanny stacks

[mossy oyster]

because the certain scenarios where one shines a lil more than the other

[tulip kettle]

i think you run uncanny always

[mossy oyster]

uncanny i always run

precog/riposte

up to you

[tulip kettle]

then choose between precog/riposte/shred

[mossy oyster]

but im a finesse whore

I always run uncanny/precog

if given the chance

[tulip kettle]

precog again though, is a blessing that seems good but in real games doesnt do much

[fresh reef]

Maybe it's just because I haven't tried uncanny on Mk6 knife yet, but I don't really feel like it'd do much

[mossy oyster]

try knife with uncanny/precog

on SG

its funny

[fresh reef]

Though mercy killer is my unlocked, so I could swap it out there

Synergy with bleed and all that

[tulip kettle]

i also think, why run a knife on psyker

[mossy oyster]

cause they give me the ability to

[tulip kettle]

aha fair

[mossy oyster]

on my SG melee build its either a DS4 or a mk3

[fresh reef]

I can't turn dueling swords into revolvers

Simple as

[tulip kettle]

i just mean we are the one class that has "better knife"

[fresh reef]

Also, Mk6 rare inspect

[mossy oyster]

the only thing knife beats DS4 in

is the finesse modifier area

[tulip kettle]

but this is one of those things, where im like, so?

[mossy oyster]

well when you play zealot and are running scriers

you kinda just wanna weakspot/finesse stab everything

to death

[tulip kettle]

the raw dmg is lower and you cant hit breakpoints the same

[late sapphire]

i think something like 'every 15s, bb is instant' would be fun

[tulip kettle]

and also, sorry, zealot scriers?

i am confusion

[mossy oyster]

i play zealot

[tulip kettle]

with, scriers?

[mossy oyster]

i run scriers gaze melee soyker

im zealot cosplaying

[tulip kettle]

oh i see

[mossy oyster]

its literally just zealot playstyle

lmfao

[tulip kettle]

okay, but hear me out

DS5

[mossy oyster]

no

[late sapphire]

60% first target 🤮

[fresh reef]

Mk6 push attack is peak

[fresh reef]

Holy based

[restive ice]

haha ds5 go zoom

[tulip kettle]

with the defences and mobility it has longer dodges than knife

and more raw dmg and great finesse still

[fresh reef]

I should run ds5 again sometime

[mossy oyster]

you were saying

[tulip kettle]

i mean i hate it, personally

[fresh reef]

When the revolver knife stops being funny

[restive ice]

so never

[late sapphire]

40% mobility => you lose a dodge?

[mossy oyster]

nope

5 dodges

[late sapphire]

don't even talk to me if it isn't a 550

[restive ice]

for knife it’s like 17

[tulip kettle]

they are just baby dodges 😄

[fresh reef]

[mossy oyster]

knife needs like less than 36

or some shit

for 4 dodges

its gotta be abysmally low

[restive ice]

i have a 20 mob knife and it still gets 5

[mossy oyster]

LOL

knife isnt strong guys

xd

[late sapphire]

knife is doodoo idk

[restive ice]

same with force sword dodges

but i think my lowest is just 24 or something

[tulip kettle]

remeber whenb force swords had infinite dodges?

[restive ice]

[mossy oyster]

yes

[tulip kettle]

https://tenor.com/view/yeah-i-member-memberberries-south-park-i-remember-oh-yeah-gif-20408218

[late sapphire]

i keep running out of dodges on my deimos 😢

Idk why fatshark actively made dumpstats

[tulip kettle]

i was so bad at the game then i didnt even realise why that would be broken

[mossy oyster]

lmao

[late sapphire]

Can't they have mobility give an extra dodge at 70% or something

[tulip kettle]

that is in theory what it does though right

the system is right its the numbers that are wrong

if that knife said 3 ; 6 on dodges i think it would be better

[late sapphire]

The numbers are the only thing that matters

[tulip kettle]

i mean currently, mobility gives an extra dodge at apparently 36 on knife, i havent tested it

from 4 to 5

[late sapphire]

no phenomenon is a phenomenon until it is an observed phenomenon & so on

defense also needs to be made useful

[tulip kettle]

defense is very useful, on certain weapons

the problem with defenses its usually on weapons that also have mobility

[mossy oyster]

defences are useful if you actively use PA

or have a good one

imo

[tulip kettle]

and they do the same thing

but for example

low defences on slab shield actually feels like trash

because you have 0 mobility, even if you have all the CC and cleave in the world, having 2 dodges at -25% distance, on ogryn, is not a good time

[atomic swan]

i am having too much CDR from psykinetic's aura
i always go for prescience unless i am using venting shriek
and i never use assail

[fresh reef]

valid

[brazen rampart]

The dclaw being used as a duelling sword just angers me.

[mossy oyster]

no way

I got the forbidden 80

https://tenor.com/view/sofa-meledak-exploding-krusty-krab-gif-25543479

[zinc sphinx]

hit those heratics with ogryn sized blast

[mental grail]

Trauma 🤢

[mossy oyster]

rough but

80 blast radius / T4 nexus/ T3 blazing spirit time

[fresh reef]

I think I made it worse somehow

(didn't have uncanny 4 rip)

[mossy oyster]

ok I just need to rename it now

[mossy oyster]

bricked scrap for dockets

[late sapphire]

can you show how that knife looks ingame?

[fresh reef]

so true

[upper sun]

🧎‍♂️

[mossy oyster]

pro tip if you never focus on what you want from gambling

it'll present itself to you

(I never gamble on brunt)

[upper sun]

melk gave it to u my man

[mossy oyster]

melk can be clutch

every now and then

[upper sun]

i just farm blessings 😭

i only good an ok voidstrike once

[mossy oyster]

melk has been clutch for blessings mostly

95% blessings 5% weapons

[strong gulch]

melk 99% troll on curios

[mossy oyster]

never seen 1 good melk curio

[strong gulch]

I have gotten 1 from him. If it wasn't for that 1, 100% troll.

[magic ledge]

Just like the throwing knives with uncanny strike, does uncanny strike work with assail?

[strong gulch]

Not anymore. It was pacthed out.

[magic ledge]

boo

i think the first psyker buikd i tried was with assail and psionics so i was wondering what that would be like with rending

[strong gulch]

It's not the same but, SB DOT is affected by uncanny.

Assail does work great with DD. No more funny rending bees tho.

[sturdy tendon]

I got Manstopper 2 from Melk this week

Didn't even attempt to look for it

[upper sun]

4 friends online

DT bros.... are we back?

[hollow current]

no

[near wyvern]

There is nothing to come back to... If you were never gone in the first place

[upper sun]

so tru so tru 🧎‍♂️

[thick carbon]

I haven't used the Rashad in a little while. what perks are desirable for it again?

[broken carbon]

headtaker and brutal momentum

flak maniac i think

[thick carbon]

would Decimator also work okay instead of headtaker?

[mossy oyster]

decimator takes longer to stack and iirc works like shred where if you miss it just shits itself

[dawn nacelle]

good evening everyone

[fresh reef]

Got told to kill myself for running Voidstrike lol

[magic ledge]

than what else for staff psyker

i feel like trauma being the best is just map based tbh

[jovial juniper]

Run voidstrike even harder

[magic ledge]

exactly

i run surge with the soulblaze stack blessing

that will clearly just about anything

for voidstrike

not consistent crit but very very heavy hitting ones

[plucky flax]

Surge staff is best.

[plucky flax]

I am back when update is out next month.

[fresh reef]

Meat thermometer, my favorite reaction image

[upper sun]

that never happend

[fresh reef]

Purge blinds your teammates, Trauma is too good, Void is literally just Plasma, and oh my god why are you playing Surge it's so bad #TPD

[restive ice]

lol meat thermometer with white background

[upper sun]

damn.... thats crazy.....

runs purge anyways

also report the person telling you that

[fresh reef]

They left instantly before we even got in game lol

But also, what? There's a report button?

[upper sun]

i know who that is

[jovial juniper]

Forums

[dawn nacelle]

hi psykers, any idea on how to get the malleus monstrum done?

[restive ice]

make friends

[dawn nacelle]

good idea, none of mine play this game unfortunately$

[broken carbon]

void is the best, trauma is also really good

surge is there

purge is also pretty good

trauma doesnt really depend on the map

no weapons really do i think

[halcyon gust]

https://tenor.com/view/star-wars-gif-19575284

[queen fog]

Man I hate mobile

Double sending my messages

Now I gotta delete one!

Wait what, there was 2 on my end

Mobile lied to me

[queen fog]

there’s a cool blitz modifier called kinetic resonance that makes your brain burst faster when u use your ability, I use that with double walls to stack the effect

Almost machine gun levels of brain bursting right there, compliment that with EP keystone and u got yourself a brain burst with a semi-auto feature

Since u won’t have to worry bout peril edging for the 1st few seconds

[jovial juniper]

Lmfao

[strong gulch]

https://tenor.com/view/pacha-perfect-emperors-new-groove-very-good-gif-16980073484503350222

[late sapphire]

that's actually great

[haughty star]

@near maple

@polar arrow

[upper galleon]

you can get consistent crit with true aim

[mental grail]

relatable

[soft stone]

How does disrupt destiny work? I’m not understanding its description and it was recommended for a gun pysker who also uses scriers gaze

I understand its buffs but not how to stack it and what it means my precision bonus

[broken carbon]

it stacks on killing an enemy highlight by disrupt destiny, which are enemies highlighted in blue

precision bonus is a damage bonus to finesse mainly, finesse affects weakspot hits and crits

[soft stone]

So how come when I kill more than one enemy that’s marked it doesn’t add, I’m wanting to get its penance out of the way as well

[restive ice]

the ui is bugged right now

[soft stone]

Of course, will that affect the penance at all?

[broken carbon]

oh

yeah

[soft stone]

God dammit

[broken carbon]

no

the stacks are there

just not displayed

[soft stone]

That’s good then, now I just have to suffer trying to get those stacks

[broken carbon]

run 10 second stacks and +2 stacks on weakspot kill

it makes maintaining max stacks super easy

the +2 stacks on weakspot kill means you get 3 stacks

[soft stone]

I do, the suffer part is when the enemy marked is any scab faction and small enemy in the middle of a giant hoard

[brazen rampart]

Running a revolver or voidstrike staff is also recommended.

Ideally a revolver would be better.

[restive ice]

or just jump shot them

[brazen rampart]

Both let you punch through crowds really well to kill your intended target.

[soft stone]

I was heavily advised against any peril build weapon when using SG

[brazen rampart]

I run staff with gaze.

But you don't have to.

You could run shield if you want!

(I also don't have a good revolver so I used a voidstrike for mine)

Anyway, a little note about that penance.

[broken carbon]

best disrupt destiny build, objectively, is surge voidstrike with venting shriek

[brazen rampart]

The seconds at max stacks don't have to be consecutive.

[broken carbon]

and assail

it’s extremely overpowered

[soft stone]

I know that

[soft stone]

My gun pysker uses assail, SG and DD

[brazen rampart]

Well I didn't when I first started to get it because the penance is poorly worded.

Just trying to help.

[soft stone]

And I’ll probably get jumped for this, but I use the Accatran laz gun

[broken carbon]

ok?

i was giving a recommendation

[soft stone]

Not being aggressive about it so don’t worry

[broken carbon]

that’s fine, it’s not amazing but it works

if you want to run the best option, it’s columnus

[brazen rampart]

Nah, recon gunker is based.

In fact, I am also a recon gunker.

My dsmk4 is for anything my recon can't handle.

[soft stone]

I feel the dueling sword I use isn’t the right melee for a gun pysker

[soft stone]

I like the auto guns but I need to step out of my comfort zone every now and then, that is also my favorite auto gun

[broken carbon]

ds4 is the best one

[brazen rampart]

The model is important. Which one are you using?

[soft stone]

Shit just loaded into the game, it’s the closest to the bottom, the highly recommended one

[brazen rampart]

That... isn't helping...

[restive ice]

how fast does it shoot

[brazen rampart]

Iirc it's mk2, mk4, or mk5.

Or do you mean your autogun?

[restive ice]

the sword bullets

[soft stone]

I’m referring to the dueling sword

[soft stone]

It’s the best I can do sense I’m in a match

[strong gulch]

DS4 is the best single target and handles armor well. DS2 is better at hordes but also has great single target damage (especially if you H1 special chain). Toss a few assail shards in and you have more than adequate horde management.

[restive ice]

when you use two heavies, how do they swing

[brazen rampart]

Well... I'm not exactly sure how they're laid out in Brunt's shop because I don't really care about that, but the mk4 is the one you want to use because it's looping pokes for heavies and you do some sickening damage.

And I'm going to be 100% honest, with some of the things I've seen people been running lately, you mightve been fed misinformation as to what the "highly recommended" duelling sword is.

Many, many flesh tearer lacerate knife users in my lobbies...

[soft stone]

Stab not slash when heavy

[broken carbon]

then that’s a ds4

that’s the good one

[brazen rampart]

Yeah, good, dsmk4 is the best one.

[broken carbon]

your build will struggle with horde clear

unless ur running assail

[soft stone]

That’s what the assali is usually for

[brazen rampart]

If you have trouble using it, you might switch to a deimos force sword?

[mental grail]

I'm also a recon gunker, it's based

[fresh reef]

Flesh tearer and lacerate?
Like both?
Together?
Simultaneously on the same knife?

Fucking WHY?

[brazen rampart]

The minds of the pubbers I queue with on any game are unknowable.

[restive ice]

becuase i love blood

[brazen rampart]

It's like seeing a warden in for honor running only bombs.

[soft stone]

Recommended against with SG, plus I don’t wanna risk blowing up lol with the constant build

[strong gulch]

DS4 + assail + soulstealer (assuming no creeping flames) will help a lot with DS4 horde management.

[mental grail]

tf is SG

[brazen rampart]

You... use the special..?

[restive ice]

ss s s ssciew's gaze

[mental grail]

o

[soft stone]

Scriers gaze (if I spelt it right)

[soft stone]

Isn’t that the point of the sword?

[brazen rampart]

I dont know anybody that actually uses the special on a deimos...

[mental grail]

You don't?

[strong gulch]

deimos is not reliant on the warp special. Most of its damage is from the H2

[brazen rampart]

Hell no.

It is laughable how weak the special is on it.

[soft stone]

Mine does more damage with the more peril, I don’t use it with SG due to easily going over if not careful

[fresh reef]

Sentenced to 5 Auric maelstroms as a Smite user

[soft stone]

I have noticed how pathetic it is, but a boost is a boost

[brazen rampart]

If force swords were just all different variations of power swords, like the illisi, I would be happy, but both the obscurus and deimos specials are awful.

[strong gulch]

What can be an issue is the push attack (not the regular push). If the push attack connects, that will increa your peril and can explode you

[brazen rampart]

You do significantly more damage just by hitting the enemies than you do attempting to special.

[broken carbon]

dont use the force sword specials except with illisi

[restive ice]

tbf it's the magic force attack on a a weapon called blaze force sword

[brazen rampart]

Also the deimos sends ogryns on their ass if you hit them in the face with your h2.

[mental grail]

I use that shit all the time

helps build peril

[strong gulch]

deimos damage = H2

[brazen rampart]

That's different.

[soft stone]

I don’t dw, I use it with non peril build sets

[brazen rampart]

Spamming it to build peril is entirely different than actually using it.

[mental grail]

I mean there are only deimos and illisi

nobody uses obscurus

[brazen rampart]

Regardless, obscurus and deimos swords both have terrible specials that should never be used.

[soft stone]

I use it with my smite due to the peril build there, don’t gotta worry about spaming it unless there’s a boss

[strong gulch]

plus 3 assail shards builds peril fast. 2 regular + an aimed

[brazen rampart]

I'm gonna be real, I have played maybe 60 hours as psyker, and I still don't know how much peril assail builds.

[mental grail]

I mean, I'm gonna use it if any hard targets are nearby, I don't run many carapace options

[broken carbon]

the only exception would be against mutants really

other than that yeah

[soft stone]

10, aimed does 25

[mental grail]

10

from an assail soyker

[brazen rampart]

Yeah but see, first, don't use an obscurus because the moveset sucks, and second, my deimos h2 gives that mutant a tasty little lobotomy and he dies on the spot.

[mental grail]

real

[broken carbon]

it’s not ten? even spamming out all 10 shards i don’t hit 100% peril

[mental grail]

obscurus looks cool too, it's a damn shame

[brazen rampart]

They need to just change the specials and diversify the movesets a little more, imo.

[strong gulch]

aim shard peril vs regular/ primary shard peril

[mental grail]

It's hard to balance a middle ground sword tbf

[broken carbon]

demios special should make an explosion effect on kill

depending on the size of the enemy

[brazen rampart]

Illisi can stay the horde clear sword, deimos can stay the finesse sword, but I think the obscurus needs to be a strikedown moveset.

[broken carbon]

from shoving warp energy into them

[brazen rampart]

And yeah we need explosions.

[mental grail]

illisi and deimos heavies are both kino

[broken carbon]

wha

[brazen rampart]

Imagine a world where the obscurus actually deals with armor well...

[mental grail]

One can dream

[brazen rampart]

Looping strikedown heavies and a vanguard light moveset...

It would be beautiful...

[mental grail]

I gotta ping the psyker playtester