psyker-class

[mossy oyster]

also feels intuitive ngl

at least on the maelstroms where theres a shit ton of mods

[wind spruce]

It's so much fun, especially with duelling sword, when you realise you can actually just dive straight into that huge room of gunners and shooters and stab them in their stupid lil faces

Gotta get dodge, duck, dip, dive and slide

And then slide like five more times

Mostly just slide

[mental grail]

Typical psyker drip

big ass fishbowl helmet for some reason

[potent echo]

Gamer chair for the head

[mental grail]

My usual drip

[mossy oyster]

i hate toilet bowls

we need more capes

[mental grail]

cloaks >>>

[zinc sphinx]

found psyker, name of Shmeter
The child insulted the team
and made himself look meaner
I just want him to know, I did better

[wind spruce]

Skizoid drip

[zinc sphinx]

https://tenor.com/view/cone-of-shame-up-dog-protection-anti-bite-gif-5684539

[wind spruce]

No... you didn't. You got a higher team score due to resource pick ups and gadget/machinery operation. They took 1/5 of the damage you did, did more damage and killed more specialists

[zinc sphinx]

the man was a douche, don't defend him

[wind spruce]

Fair enough, but judging performance by the aggragated score is silly

[zinc sphinx]

I still killed just under double the ranged elites he did

as a knife vet

and just generally have a higher offensive score because I was aiming for weakpoints and he was just throwing assail every which way

[wind spruce]

True

[wind spruce]

That's not a point in your favour, it's a point against caring about the scores. It highlights that builds can be reflected differently in the score despite that not corresponding directly to their effectiveness

[zinc sphinx]

all I wanted to do is post a silly little peom thing

it wasen't meant to be taken as seriously as you are

[wind spruce]

That's psyker chat for you

We take numbers seriously

[halcyon gust]

Well most of us do

I just do what Beloved ells me

And Beloved tells me to kill heretics and eat cup cakes

[wind spruce]

OUT!

Unless you share the cupcakes

[halcyon gust]

Cupcakes will be shared

[wind spruce]

You can stay

[mental grail]

I mete out justice with my newly-blessed shock maul.

They will know deliverance! 😊

[haughty star]

What in the vanilla fucking heresy are these scores

You're all bad

[wind spruce]

Lmao

[zinc sphinx]

why are sparkies and shouties the toxic ones

[haughty star]

Because we don't play malice

[zinc sphinx]

it was heresy

[halcyon gust]

From my experience. It's usually the Zealots prone to being Toxic

[zinc sphinx]

met a lot of toxic sparkies

[haughty star]

Deffo not auric heresy

[zinc sphinx]

NO SHIT

I'M TOO BAD TO PLAY AURIC AT THE MOMENT

[halcyon gust]

Though doesn't mean I don't run into the rare Toxic Psyker

[zinc sphinx]

the guy was level 90 and said we're bad when he's playing non-auric heresy

[wind spruce]

In my experience it can be any class

[zinc sphinx]

most people I run into are nice

99.99% of Ogryn players are nice

[haughty star]

He was a menace fo sho

[wind spruce]

I assume that if it seems like a particular class is more toxic it's just confirmation bias, etc

[haughty star]

The only people I hate are the console scrubs hotmicing the whole game

[wind spruce]

Meh, I think that's a false stereo type too. Met quite a few toxic ogryns

[haughty star]

I mean it's nice they communicate but Jesus christ would it kill xbl to add a simple voice pickup

[upper sun]

does auric quickplay now cheat you into going into the event?

[wind spruce]

Is the event good? I'm away atm and can't play 😦

[mental grail]

I've literally heard voice chat 2 times ever

[zinc sphinx]

most ogryns I find are nice, or mute, either or

[mental grail]

Maybe once

[wind spruce]

Damn, really? I chat with people often af in vc

[zinc sphinx]

ig people don't talk as much in non-aurics

[wind spruce]

And I mean with randoms

[upper sun]

no

[mental grail]

^

[upper sun]

like once or twice maybe

[wind spruce]

Rip

[mental grail]

it is dogshit

[upper sun]

but not 15 times

[haughty star]

Yeah same here

[wind spruce]

The more you talk the more people talk back

[upper sun]

my favorite vc users are the ones that say FUCK or sorry once and never say anything else all game

[wind spruce]

Someone's gotta start

[haughty star]

Pretty sure I've been partied up with you before

[mental grail]

Yup, I've had like one game with perfect communication, and like the next 200-300 hours will be completly mute

[wind spruce]

I make weird tongue noises while we're taking lifts

[wind spruce]

What's your main characters names?

[upper sun]

worst one was when two people started flirting with eachother

i quit the game

[mental grail]

Imagine playing with the average scrubs, but now literally none of them can see.

[haughty star]

Ticklefingers, EdgingEnjoyer, StinkyPinky, UncleBadTouch, and SirSnugglesWorth

[mental grail]

EdgingEnjoyer is the psyker, 100%.

[haughty star]

Psyker x2, vet, zealot, and ogryn in order

[mental grail]

Gotta be, lmfao.

[wind spruce]

Hmm not sure, UncleBadTouch sounds familiar... but that might not be Darktide related

[haughty star]

UBT is my griefing alts name on star citizen

[wind spruce]

I call every single one of my characters Irosk

[halcyon gust]

Level 25 psyker in Damnation. Far away from the team to get dogged while the rest of us got ass fucked by specials and crushers

[wind spruce]

Because I'm a creative genius

[halcyon gust]

Any class can be Toxic yes, but at least from the few encounters I get from Quick play. Zealots are the most prone

[wind spruce]

Fair enough, but I'm unconvinced this isn't due to playerbase bias, confirmation bias or zealots being so popular, etc

[halcyon gust]

I have a very small sample size of like....5 toxic encounters

Because they're quite rare to encounter at least from Damnation and Auric quick plays I do

Probably more common on the lower diffs

[haughty star]

I've ran into more toxicity in this discord lfg than anywhere in game

[cosmic sigil]

I just did 2 runs with that setup, felt comfy like my zealot

[wind spruce]

There's a toxic player in 100% of my games

[wind spruce]

Ima try it soon as I get back from the airport tomorrow. Desperate for some tide

[cosmic sigil]

i ran that build with a columnus and a taxe

[latent mauve]

[haughty star]

Kinetic flayer on recon 6

Eh

They should really reduce tje cdr to like 5 seconds to make it a decent pick

[halcyon gust]

Or keep the cooldown and have it only strike Elites, Specialist, and Bosses

But at like a 25% damage nerf of the rupture's damage or something

[latent mauve]

No assail I sleep

[upper sun]

🤔

[quartz barn]

same 😦

although its fair because i grab all the ammo + farm revives for penances

[mental grail]

Real.

[mossy oyster]

is endurance a waste of a point, siblings?

(20% TDR while scriers is active)

[haughty star]

I don't pick it up but I'm terrible

[upper sun]

yall ever just wanna scream ONE HEAVY ATTACK PLEASE???? while spectating someone?

[mossy oyster]

i try not to be in a position of spectating others

for that exact reason

watching people ignore the netted person or the free to kill disabler trapper running away

or the bomber preparing to nuke us

https://tenor.com/view/venom-gif-27487650

[broken carbon]

it’s not terrible, not amazing

[mental rock]

im tired, boss

[broken carbon]

it’s nice to have though, especially if ur using SG for melee

[lethal lagoon]

If SG is up, you probably have EE up, or have other toughness gen.

I just don't see the point.

[haughty star]

As meow said for melee but that's about it

[upper sun]

two terrifying barrages in lobby

yeah 100% dodging

[lethal lagoon]

Lost your chance for a great scoreboard smh, where's your ego.

[upper sun]

no

i want a team that can not die for 2 minutes so i can loot plasteel

[haughty star]

I stopped looking a team loadouts

Makes me cringe

[inland magnet]

Are the shock mauls any good?

[orchid shadow]

What, you mean you don't want to see somone missing some points? 😛 It was funny when they realized it as soon as the countdown finished. Then it was go time.

[hearty dagger]

Ok so i know i like to say my favorite loyalist chapter is the alpha legion

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1218660051233935450/1274796538891341909/Screenshot_438.png?ex=66c38e4b&is=66c23ccb&hm=e0d3c0f601da0146bbd8f51b79a94c05b29f1cdf4955ece3faa9c0b06489739f&

But i wasn't fucking expecting this

[upper sun]

oh my fucking god i hate alpha legion

i hate alpharious i hate omegatron or whatever the fuck he is

i hate that style of story telling so much "oh they're bad no theyre good no theyre bad!!!"

[tired estuary]

Its wh40k they're all bad

[hearty dagger]

I think they don't even know anymore

Man, i was interested in space marine 2

Until i saw videos about it and now all hope is gone

[tired estuary]

Oh no

[upper sun]

alpha legion is extra bad

[broken carbon]

yeah they’re awesome

indignatus is best imo

[upper sun]

wowowow you dont know who you just killed maybe its the parimarch maybe his twin brother wowowowowo

its lazy story telling at best

[broken carbon]

run high voltage and skullcrusher

[upper sun]

authors just leaving themselves backdoors

[broken carbon]

oh no they’re evil

but maybe they’re good?!?!?!

oooo mysterious….

[upper sun]

wow u never know!!!!

[broken carbon]

to be fair in a setting like 40k leaving urself a back door isn’t a bad idea

[upper sun]

maybe they'll do something wacky with zero foreshadowing so unique!!!

[broken carbon]

lmfao

[hearty dagger]

Honestly though

Who the hell decided that the plasma gun needed a butt stock and picatinny rail?

[upper sun]

me

[hearty dagger]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1114542943911559178/1274711563781017650/attachment.gif

On first impression though

It feels like there's too many guns that do the exact same thing

[radiant frigate]

most guns fire projectiles and inflict damage

[mossy oyster]

gunker (melee) is the way to go so the scriers node wouldnt be wasted in the way I play gunker

but I also try to make sure im not just getting hit by everything at the same time

if psyker had something to proc on dodges it be insane (for scriers melee)

[halcyon gust]

Hell maybe a node or 2 to improve melee combat

[tired estuary]

yeah I agree we need to buff ds4 dmg

[upper sun]

psyker needs less nodes not more

delete WC

[halcyon gust]

Just give Pysker some of Vet's nodes

[radiant frigate]

unironically yes

[hearty dagger]

Honestly nuking some of psyker's more absolutely pointless shit such as Unlucky For Some so we can have more melee focus would be pretty cool

[radiant frigate]

i wish sg was actually a better option for a melee focused psyker than shriek

but it really isn't

i want to like it

but it offers so little

[hearty dagger]

Honestly SG would have been good

If:
Uncanny Strike didn't exist already
Disrupt Destiny never got reworked

[radiant frigate]

it still fucks with illisi activations

[hearty dagger]

Right now the only people defending sg are the ones saying "hurr durr you can kill monstrosities in 2 ciag mags"

[radiant frigate]

want more buff from your not-exactly ult? then suffer

want to use the magic part of magic sword to the best of its ability? sufferer's gaze

[radiant frigate]

because unironically that is the only thing it does

[hearty dagger]

Yeah

[radiant frigate]

that others don't do better

[hearty dagger]

Ngl scrier's could have some nodes slapped on to make it have some utility instead of raw damage

Say something like

Eye Of The Storm: Enemies in front of you take sustained damage, scaling with your current peril
Terrifying Gaze: Enemies you have LoS to are suppressed

That way it doesn't just completely lose out to the other ults on utility alone

Plus gives it more use scenarios

Psyker reloads are slow->Enemies in front of you take damage so you have to spend less ammo and are better protected during reloads
Without a domeshield you are very liable to get shredded->So long as you can see the gunners, they can't shoot at you

[upper galleon]

but you take empathetic evasion

like every time

[hearty dagger]

Good luck critting when suppression currently has your gun taped to the ceiling

[upper galleon]

you shouldn't be shredded by gunners unless you have a slow and low crit chance weapon

[jovial juniper]

Yeah you can crit

[upper galleon]

crouch slide and crit or throw out assail and wait for one of them to crit

there really shouldn't be a reason you has a gunker needs shields personally unless you are doing some off meta weapon, scrier's just gives too much of a damage boost

does base scrier's cap out at 30% or 40% damage since the tooltip isn't 100% clear. 10% base and 1% per second, up to 30%.

and 30% finesse damage with extension node

[radiant frigate]

i have never taken empathic evasion

[hearty dagger]

Based

[radiant frigate]

worthless talent, really

one with the warp, on the other hand

[lyric burrow]

30% afaik

[buoyant maple]

Which gun

[wind spruce]

DD getting reworked doesn't make SG worse though? It just means you have even higher more consistent damage?

You can take speedloader on columnus for faster reloads

[upper galleon]

yea it would basically have to be

idk

[wind spruce]

You do NOT need bubble shield to not get shredded by gunners lol.

[upper galleon]

true aim makes every automatic a crit spammer

so... bistol, las pistol, and revolver, all of which take surgical or in the case of las pistol, have insane crit chance

a shotgun without scattershot?

[buoyant maple]

DB is immune to suppression

[wind spruce]

There's these sick things called suppression and dodge sliding

[late sapphire]

sg ds4 makes me hard sorry

[buoyant maple]

Boltpistol is the only one here that actually gets screwed over by suppression

[wind spruce]

Bolt pistol doesn't really want surgical

[upper galleon]

thought it would like it on gunker with all the finesse bonuses?

tho it's extremely off meta

[wind spruce]

Better off taking bleed and the damage on stagger blessings

[buoyant maple]

I’m not rly a boltpistol gunpsyker believer

[wind spruce]

The crit modifier on bistol is just bad

[buoyant maple]

I am however a boltpistol grenadier veteran believer

Outside of that 1 grenadier build I don’t rly think boltpistol is worth running (on any class)

[next heart]

worth buying the sword on left?

[upper galleon]

me niether lol

[next heart]

figure i change precog and stamina for uncanny and flak

[strong gulch]

No

You don't want to dump finesse on DS. And Precog 3 isn't worth the melk coins unless you're drowning in them.

[next heart]

yeah i was gonna swap precog

[cosmic sigil]

The point was not taking assail. And kinetic flayer is just here for the fun and be used as a nice opening.

[halcyon gust]

Don't you love swatting a dog when you intended to strike something else

[strong gulch]

That's when I chant "Skill, skill, skill!"

Alright Columnus gunkers, what are the nuanced differences, reasons to take/ not take, use cases, or unlisted behaviors /interactions of Fire Frenzy, Punishing Salvo, and Sustained Fire?

[halcyon gust]

"Yep. Ment to do that"

[jovial juniper]

Sus and Salvo only worth using on the Agri

[strong gulch]

Fire rate?

[jovial juniper]

Since they have short resets and the Agri has high dmg per shot

[strong gulch]

Gotcha

thanks

[jovial juniper]

Fire Frenzy is usable on the columnus because it's a short range powerhouse as well

And well, other blessings are kinda ok with it

[buoyant maple]

TLDR dum dum + deathspitter / fire frenzy

[strong gulch]

Right right, deathspitter was the other one.

[narrow herald]

for psyker what curios do yall use for the main stat? 🤔

[feral verge]

toughness stack

[buoyant maple]

200+ health, 20% sniper resist
Everything else up to u

[narrow herald]

no I mean the main stats

[strong gulch]

This is what I do.

[buoyant maple]

Yea, doesn’t matter what main stats

Just get urself those 2 things, ur specific approach is preference

[halcyon gust]

2 toughness and Stamina

[strong gulch]

You can get to 175 to 200 hp in various ways.

[feral verge]

this x3

sniper resist is neat, but i find it unecessary

i get sniped maybe once in every, like 5 games

that means the rest of the time, it's not doing anything

[strong gulch]

If eat sniper shots, take sniper resist.

If don't, don't take it.

[feral verge]

whereas gunner resist or combat regen is always doing something

[narrow herald]

what about 1 health curio, 1 stam, and 1 toughness

[strong gulch]

Especially if your positioning isn't great, gunner resist can be helpful.

But if you're good about not being caught by a firing squad, it's less helpful

[strong gulch]

That's fine too.

[buoyant maple]

Works

[narrow herald]

and obiously dont take health perks

[buoyant maple]

Psyker has a pretty free +10% health node so u can get to 200+ easily

[strong gulch]

Curio choice is kinda what you have access to, personal pref, and play style.

[narrow herald]

dam soo close 😔

I need a 20% i think

only have a good 19%

[buoyant maple]

No, u need health perks

U need +34%

Talent + 1 curio at best is only +31%

[narrow herald]

alright

so i just change one of my gunners to health

[buoyant maple]

Also Psyker’s toughness scaling kinda sucks

Super low toughness & overall TDR

[narrow herald]

why specifically 200 tho?

[buoyant maple]

Sniper & burster breakpoints

[strong gulch]

If you are investing in toughness, take the toughness nodes.

They are flat +15

[buoyant maple]

At 200+ health with 20% sniper resist, u can take:
2 sniper shots / 3 burster explosions without going down

[narrow herald]

yes I know, flat toughness is valuable on psyker because u get lots of toughness resistence from talents

[buoyant maple]

And if you’re at full 1 wound u don’t die instantly from getting hit by one of these

[narrow herald]

so should i trade the toughness or the gunner resist for health?

[buoyant maple]

What do u have

Because psyker is pretty generous with curio choices

U don’t rly need stamina regen

U don’t rly need sprint efficiency

[buoyant maple]

Because the stam regen delay is so short u can sprint slide forever

[narrow herald]

i have 1 stam, 1 tough, 1 health

[buoyant maple]

U don’t rly need ability cooldown on psyker (or any class tbh)

[narrow herald]

with these perks, except one of them has sniper resist instead of gunner

i thought CDR is important on psyker tho

[buoyant maple]

Why

[narrow herald]

i get my abilities up faster to reset peril or put down another damage dump

[buoyant maple]

Besides EP smite where u shave 3.6s off vent cooldown what’s the actual application

[buoyant maple]

You’re kinda supposed to stay at high peril most of the time tbh

High peril = more damage, higher TDR, higher crit chance (warp nexus)

[narrow herald]

also does it need to be 20% sniper?

or is 15 fine?

[buoyant maple]

Yea

20% cuts 122.5 down to 98

So u can take 2 hits

15% won’t do

[narrow herald]

whats another breakpoint after the 20%?

40?

[buoyant maple]

Nothing

Psyker is not veteran

[narrow herald]

what about vets then?

[buoyant maple]

There is another sniper breakpoint on veteran but it’s not worth going for most of the time

U can get shot by a sniper without gold toughness and not take health damage

It’s just way too much investment to get there

And has coherency conditions

[upper sun]

Ah yes iron will...

[buoyant maple]

Iron will is not enough

[upper sun]

🤔

[half anvil]

which aura would you recommend? i cant tell what is better than what

[buoyant maple]

On Psyker, just take 10% cooldown (middle)

[upper sun]

I have 3 of those

[half anvil]

alright, thz

[narrow herald]

wait speaking of vet, how do you get 200+ hp with curios and blessings?

with a 21% and 2 hp perks, it only comes out to 195

[buoyant maple]

Get either 2x health curios or 1 health curio with 3 health perks

Normally I recommend 2x health

[narrow herald]

but what about the toughness curio?

[buoyant maple]

Because u’d still want 1 toughness

[buoyant maple]

Yea u can still take it

[narrow herald]

but i thought vet NEEDS a stam curio

[half anvil]

i wouldnt say needs

[upper sun]

depends on the build imo

[half anvil]

sure

[buoyant maple]

Not at all

[half anvil]

stam curios arent required, unless your build calls for it

[buoyant maple]

Besides deadshot I wouldn’t rly run stam curio on veteran

[upper sun]

i play all classes except ogryn with a stamina curio

[buoyant maple]

I don’t even run +stam on psyker anymore

[upper sun]

ngmi

[buoyant maple]

The only case where +stam is genuinely the way to go is deadshot and most guns don’t need deadshot

[upper sun]

deadshot goes on all semi auto weapons

[half anvil]

deadshot is really just that little boost in damage, unless your gun sucks you do t need it

[narrow herald]

but stam regen is veyr important still correct?

[buoyant maple]

If ur gun needs deadshot to function u should probably just go exe stance

[buoyant maple]

I don’t use stam regen on veteran either

3x +10% docket
2x 20% gunner resist
1x 20% sniper resist
3x 15% sprint efficiency

[narrow herald]

im confused then because for the longest time I thought that things like stam, stam regen, block, sprint ect... is all important on vet due to having the lowest stam consumption in the game

[buoyant maple]

Just go 3x 15% sprint efficiency

[upper sun]

health x3
toughness x3
gunner x2
bomber x1

[buoyant maple]

It helps most for veteran & ogryn

U don’t have to get stamina regen delay nodes on veteran either

[half anvil]

uh, couldnt say

[buoyant maple]

I’d say outside of knife, u don’t need them

Knife benefits purely because of PA spam being the highest dps option available

[narrow herald]

and for ogryn I never took any stam related curios 😔

[buoyant maple]

Just take 3x sprint efficiency

[narrow herald]

for ogryn I take tough regen, health, and tough

[buoyant maple]

I don’t think sprint efficiency is needed for psyker

And it’s debatable on zealot cuz of desperation (+20% melee damage for 5s when out of stamina )

But for ogryn & veteran it’s really good

[narrow herald]

ig i dont need insane levels of health on ogryn either

so I can replace it with that

[buoyant maple]

No

I don’t think u need +health on ogryn at all tbh

300 base health is crazy

[narrow herald]

i have 1 health and 2 curios on ogryn

[buoyant maple]

And Ogryn has very high toughness scaling

[narrow herald]

most builds is about 360 with the perks

[narrow herald]

i was following the ogrynomicon on the curios

[upper sun]

you can just push attack for that if you run it

[buoyant maple]

Depends on the melee u run

[buoyant maple]

Tbh just 3x +toughness, then get 3x docket, 3x sprint efficiency and 3x gunner resist

You’re basically set at that point

[narrow herald]

how come no regen thou?

ogrynomicon says thats the best perk

[upper sun]

not for every class

[narrow herald]

no I mean for ogryn

[upper sun]

does it?

[buoyant maple]

What regen

Toughness regen?

[narrow herald]

toughness regen

[upper sun]

2 hits and you're at full toughness

[buoyant maple]

Idk abt u but Ogryn’s problem for me is never explicitly lacking “toughness regen”

Ogryn’s problem is “how to I get into melee distance before I get shot into a beehive”

Once u get into melee u have no toughness gain problems whatsoever

[narrow herald]

this is the com's justification for it:

[buoyant maple]

It’s alright

[analog agate]

My problem with ogryn is “how do I get to the enemy because I’m slow af”. Before my team kills them

I hate playing ogryn

[buoyant maple]

If I wasn’t running 3x docket I’d consider it

However 3x docket is the best curio perk in the game

[narrow herald]

true, gotta fuel the gambling addiction

[buoyant maple]

My entire playstyle is best summed up as “loot goblin”

[half anvil]

speaking of loot, i cringe hard when i see someone look at plasteel or diamantine, and just… look away

like

what are you doing

pick it up

[narrow herald]

"dont need it"

only the emporer

[half anvil]

ive seen people double back

and not pick it up

cant trust pubs

ever

[buoyant maple]

Duo private has prob the best plasteel pickup efficiency

[half anvil]

need my friends to get the game now man

cant wait to stop playing pubs🙏🏻😭

[quartz barn]

i have somehow found the opposite result, but with ammo

play gungryn for penance

exclusively use gun and grab all the ammo

teammates actually ping ammo for me and never pick it up themselves

[stray mesa]

If i not wrong, toughness regen on curio only effect when no enemies around

[quartz barn]

ive seen people say that it only works on coherency regen

but idk if thats true

[half anvil]

same

[upper galleon]

correct

it only works on coherency regen speed and no other source is buffed or increased, and by that, it keeps the same drawback that makes toughness regen speed stacking undesirable for a lot of players.

[quartz barn]

i guess toughness from e.g. peril vent is considered a different skill

[half anvil]

that is.. extraordinarily sad

[quartz barn]

tbf i prefer regen over base toughness

[upper galleon]

not really, more ranged focused ogryns can build around it

[patent jacinth]

I've personally seen the benefit for toughness regen curio but I usually like +base stats, stam regen, or gunner resist over it

[upper galleon]

it's the arpg style layers of defense

[quartz barn]

higher toughness is still nice, but higher regen = high toughness uptime

so less chip dmg

[upper galleon]

have a lot of base toughness? toughness gen talents and toughness DR is more valuable

it's case by case basis and not a simply A B or C is better

[quartz barn]

i know but for curios

[upper galleon]

except it doesn't work if something is engaging in your melee, doesn't work when your toughness gets chipped down

there is just better options usually

[quartz barn]

like my pref ranking is toughness regen > toughness > hp

[upper galleon]

5% hp, 5% toughness are both better imo

since if you wanan go "higher regen=more uptime" higher base toughness increases the # amount of toughness regen'd by EVERYTHING % based

including coherency regen

[quartz barn]

filler used to be sniper def but gunner def is better now

[upper galleon]

gunner isn't needed on psyker most of the time

either you have shield and/or empathetic evasion

it's more for zealot and ogryns

[quartz barn]

what other resist would you even use then

[upper galleon]

generalized corruption is probably the 3rd best

since it effects all sources of corruption

[left dagger]

what ultimate works best with voidstrike? i find it generates peril much slower than surge staff so i cant get to 80+% and venting shriek as often quickly as surge. dont exactly neede shield as crutch if team is competent, and obviously not scriers gaze. so maybe still stick with venting shriek

[upper sun]

now with tox bombers its not bad

[quartz barn]

no grim is unique

[upper galleon]

scrier's only if you have transfer peril and surge staff

[upper galleon]

yes grim has a unique resistance

generalized corruption resistance still works on grim as well

[left dagger]

running flurry and nexus on voidestrike. sticking with venting shriek then

[upper galleon]

wanna pick up surge blessing ASAP

makes the staff much much better

[half anvil]

mfw sciers gaze fills peril at the same speed i lower peril:

“panik”

[upper galleon]

yea you need transfer peril on void and that's basically the only staff that will work with scrier's

[left dagger]

didnt tanner demonstrated in video that warp flurry is better than surge

[upper galleon]

tanner

anyways if you have true aim or nexus, surge is better for general use, it helps hit a ton of meaningful breakpoints and all around chunks enemies

i personally believe flurry+surge with true aim talent is the best for sheer dps

[left dagger]

hmm ill play aroudn with both when item rework drops then. current good roll is locked at flurry nexus

[upper galleon]

but flurry+nexus sounds meh, like some pre patch 13 can't find surge/surge blessings might've been bugged

[narrow herald]

@buoyant maple with mk6 knife do u prefer 3 sprit or stam regen? 🤔

[buoyant maple]

What class

[narrow herald]

any, but how about zealot

[upper galleon]

stam regen

BUT i'm biased

against sprint eff

[buoyant maple]

Neither

[upper galleon]

i think it's pointless 99% of the time in high diffs where the enemies are constantly funneled towards you

[buoyant maple]

I don’t run stam regen on any class now

[upper galleon]

i don't run stam regen period XD i just rank it above sprint effic

[buoyant maple]

Any time I feel stam regen would be good I just go 3x sprint efficiency

[narrow herald]

i am getting contradicting information now, IDK which one is better 😔

for vet that is

[buoyant maple]

It’s very good if u play like a loot goblin

[narrow herald]

not zealot

[upper galleon]

https://tenor.com/view/bocchi-bocchi-the-rock-anime-mental-breakdown-cringe-gif-27026754

[narrow herald]

then what do u put on zealot? 🤔

[buoyant maple]

3x docket, 3x sprint efficiency, 2x gunner, 1x sniper

But I also don’t rly play knife on zealot

If I wanted to play knife I go veteran/psyker

[narrow herald]

wait i thought u said neither tho 😔

[buoyant maple]

Yea I don’t rly run knife on zealot

Knife on zealot is kinda just cancer for point tax

Duellist + desperation + piety keystonen

[buoyant maple]

It’s pretty good on veteran & ogryn

I don’t think it’s needed at all on psyker, and debatable on zealot

[narrow herald]

is SE good with psyker?

[buoyant maple]

What’s SE

Sprint efficiency?

[narrow herald]

yes

[buoyant maple]

Not worth it on psyker

Psyker’s 0.5s stam regen delay means that u’ll start recovering stamina during slide

You basically never ever run out of stamina if u sprint/slide

And u have kinetic deflection so it’s very hard to get guard broken on psyker

The main benefit of sprint efficiency is that you’ll basically enter every fight with stamina for PA/block

Psyker flat out doesn’t have need for this

Most of the time u start fights with ranged attacks anyway

[broken carbon]

bandit

[upper galleon]

cute

[strong gulch]

Good reminder.

Time to look for the @upper galleon's ferret photos.

[cosmic sigil]

tbh, i feel like gunner is only good with twbs

i run it on all of my characters, and outside of zealot, if i fuck up my positioning, i get shredded anyway

[upper galleon]

ogryn on average will be taking the most gunner aggro in a match, so getting gunner resistance is a no brainer

vet and psyker can skip it for their various reasons imo

[slender coyote]

is damage stat important on purgatus staves

[strong gulch]

Damage can be dumped on purg.

It's one of the dump stats

[slender coyote]

what is the other dump if there is one

i'm guessing quell speed

[strong gulch]

Warp resist can be dumped some as well. Damage then resist. Purg's peril gen is quite low compared to other staves.

[slender coyote]

oh then this is like one of the easier things to craft

[strong gulch]

Yes it is.

[slender coyote]

Just got this, should I just save it for crafting update or should I try my luck with dear hadron

I mean the locks will go away anyway

[strong gulch]

There is a guide in the pins called the Atheneum.

[slender coyote]

oo

[strong gulch]

If you want it now, then roll for it. If you are patience and a GIB SHINY NOW person, then you can could wait.

[slender coyote]

I mean, it really would not matter either way I don't think

even if I get a bad roll the locks will be off when the update happens

[strong gulch]

This peak btw. The only thing is cloud being less that 80, but that is being super nit picky. Like, all you have left to do is be mad at the "losing" at gambling.

[slender coyote]

yeah I couldn't care less for cloud radius not being perfect

it's still rlly good

[strong gulch]

I'd roll now, but I am a magpie.

[slender coyote]

lol

[strong gulch]

Cool beans. Crit damage to flak and terrible barrage to flurry.

done

[slender coyote]

real

oof would have preffered crit chance but it's still good

[slender coyote]

you meant nexus?

[restive ice]

the other perk is already flurry

blessing

lol

[strong gulch]

yes

[strong gulch]

that lol

reading hard

[slender coyote]

honestly warp flurry tier 3 and 4 aren't that different so it's good

[tacit lodge]

so i killed an elite with my perils of the warp explosion on malice but didnt get the penance?

[slender coyote]

only thing that could be better is maniacs to crit chance

[slender coyote]

IDK

[tacit lodge]

that is when you reach 100% and backfire correct?

[slender coyote]

yes

[tacit lodge]

hmm

guess ill have to try again

[slender coyote]

are you sure it's malice or above and not anything above malice?

""

[tacit lodge]

its malice or above and i just double checked, what i killed was a trapper which is a specialist

[slender coyote]

ah

[late sapphire]

So i just played again for maybe the first time in a month and saw the power supply malfunction event - really, fatshark?

[upper galleon]

my main issue isn't the content, it's a in between patch meant to cover orthus offensive-> special assignment.

it's the fact she is weak asf and also doesn't appear in auric

[slender coyote]

it's just a little teaser

[blissful pulsar]

It lets non-auric people experience power supply malfunction since it was removed as a modifier for non-auric

[late sapphire]

... was it? that's so silly

[mossy oyster]

the red headed stepchild

of force swords

[strong gulch]

double memes

[mossy oyster]

though im thinking of the funny 77% finesse

[slender coyote]

man and ive been trying for days on my damn deimos

[mossy oyster]

with my melee gunker

cuz the way scriers works with finesse/crit all that

[slender coyote]

to the point i ran out of materials

[mossy oyster]

so 73% warp res isnt bad

IF im looking to use it on scriers

like a schiz

[strong gulch]

Me always. No ordo behavior.

[slender coyote]

brug what difficulty to farm materials, heresy or malice?

[mossy oyster]

ok

the meme got funnier guys

[slender coyote]

oh no

[slender coyote]

what does first target do again

[mossy oyster]

hmm the scrier's gaze is whispering to me

[strong gulch]

plasteel and diamanine chart

[slender coyote]

well damnation is tempting but not worth it

I might dooo heresy

although

if I just want plasteel

then uprising is surprisingly good

[mossy oyster]

I am buying obscurus

for scientific research purposes

[strong gulch]

Do it if you want, but it's bad. Do it for the memes.

I desperately want blazing spirit to be good on force swords, but allas... It's bad even on illisi.

[slender coyote]

yeha i've got plenty diamantine, i'm running uprising

[buoyant maple]

Blazing spirit on force sword is the lacerate equivalent on knife

[strong gulch]

If you can handle T5, they are the best for farming. If not, then they aren't.

[mossy oyster]

yeah I know since I want this for scriers

I need other shit

[buoyant maple]

This is outdated now

[slender coyote]

I can handle T5, Idk if I can handle T5 while being a loot goblin.

[slender coyote]

oh?

[buoyant maple]

Damnation is avg 900~1000 on the lower end

[strong gulch]

That's rude to lacerate tbh

[buoyant maple]

Up to 1205 I think

[mossy oyster]

also yeah lacerate doesnt spread

[buoyant maple]

Or 1215

[mossy oyster]

in zealot talent tree

unlike soul blaze

[buoyant maple]

It’s way higher than heresy

[mossy oyster]

(doesnt make blazing spirit on force swords any better though)

[buoyant maple]

Heresy highest is around 600

[slender coyote]

oh k

[buoyant maple]

Damnation highest is 1100~1200

[strong gulch]

I forgor lol. true

[slender coyote]

then should I just run damnation and tell my teammates i'm hoarding materials

[buoyant maple]

It’s almost 2x crafting material payout while being easier

[strong gulch]

Where is updated chart for easy pasting.

[buoyant maple]

It’s just a matter of memorizing material spawns

[slender coyote]

easier?

[slender coyote]

honestly I don't have them memorized lmao

[buoyant maple]

If u loot efficiently it’ll look like this

[buoyant maple]

Yea the avg damnation random is more competent than the avg heresy random

[slender coyote]

oh ur talking about random

yeah i see that

[buoyant maple]

If u just care about looting as fast as possible

Play QP damnation duo private

Non-auric

Auric spawns specialist waves to mess with ur looting process

[mossy oyster]

yeah the increased mat gain from QP helps with the copium of the games you get

[buoyant maple]

On maps with lower avg payout it’s still 900+ in mission, then QP bonus +10% gives u around 1k

Comms plex, smelter complex, etc

Maps with lower material spawn

[potent echo]

1k plasteel or bust

[slender coyote]

damnation takes so long

it feels like it's faster to just run heresy

[potent echo]

No way

Heresy mat drops are abysmal

[slender coyote]

damnation takes like 3x longer

has the potential to anyway

[potent echo]

Isit 3x longer though

[slender coyote]

wat

[potent echo]

You telling me the average heresy pub is 10min?

Or less

[slender coyote]

10-20 mins

damnation is more like 30-40 for me

[potent echo]

Base damnation?

[slender coyote]

ye

[potent echo]

F

[upper galleon]

It shouldn’t take that much longer and if you are speedrunning heresy, normal damnation should be the same difficulty to speedrun

It’s only auric or maelstroms that can really step up to slow down a fast team

[slender coyote]

why private??

i'd prefer having 2 other randoms than 2 other bots

[potent echo]

Duo implies you have another competent teammate and not pubs

[upper galleon]

Also heresy players last i jumped down to play with friends are absolute drags while damn players are more likely to know how to pace themselves idk how you get 10 minute heresy to 30 minute damnation

[upper galleon]

Bots will teleport to you/your duo as you speedrun

[potent echo]

Yea 10min heresy pubs don't sound normal

[upper galleon]

And you don’t have to wait for events

[restive ice]

everyone is just cracked in heresy

top tier speedrunners

[potent echo]

Unless you get those specific heresy speedrunners

But then they won't pick plasteel

So ehh

[upper galleon]

If im speedrunning w/o caring about plasteel im playing sedition

[potent echo]

I went back to normal damn for the event and I'm falling asleep

[upper galleon]

Yea it’s

Something

It’s really smooth but i do notice

[potent echo]

Definitely can complete in less than 20mins

Without even really trying

Just hold W

[upper galleon]

A lot of normie damnation dwellers can get caught off guard if the director swings the dial to max like it’s an auirc

Like a large crusher pack or psuedo shocktroop spawn

[potent echo]

Yea then you just stabilise then carry on

[upper galleon]

Yep

[cosmic sigil]

so did you try it?

[potent echo]

I kind of understood why some auric pubs just hold W into rooms filled with ragers and crushers and immediately eat dirt

Because you do it in damnation and it's totally fine, never punished

[buoyant maple]

2 coordinated people go through the map faster than 4 uncoordinated people

[cosmic sigil]

auric hi int is not that far tbh

[potent echo]

Yea no STG is kinda chill

Auric high int at least you need to stay awake in hordes because 10 silent crushers from the rear

Or the mauler axe rev sound

Scariest thing to hear out of nowhere

[mossy oyster]

I did not

and my taxe just got replaced by my mk6

[cosmic sigil]

sadge

[mossy oyster]

as u saw in zeal chat

[cosmic sigil]

i saw

[mossy oyster]

only terror in the dark but

scrier knife power

fastest thing on atoma

[potent echo]

Shtabby

Would be nice to see boss damage though

[mossy oyster]

unless theres a more detailed one

[potent echo]

I'm blind

[wind spruce]

I tried it and didn't like it. Having to push attack so often didn't feel great. If I was in a horde it was OK, but even then it didn't feel great. It seemed like bromentum would do more work if I'm doing push>h2 spam. Outside of hordes it honestly felt like complete garbage because I'd be either at max stam or push attacking into things simply to generate power, lowering my overall efficiency.

I'll run it back for a few games but my initial feelings are that psyker's stam regen is too good to make it work

BTW are you running a stam curio?

[potent echo]

When fighting mutants you'd want to spam light so you get almost no value

[cosmic sigil]

yeah, and on zealot and vet i use stam regen + stam curios

(not on psyker tho)

[cosmic sigil]

not on a taxe, that's a caxe problem

[cosmic sigil]

i did not have that experience, i am almost always around 3-5 stacks of AoN

BM does nothing against things that you can't OS, which is quite a lot tbh

Also, push is followed by H1 not H2. An the feeling is vastly better with a mk7

my strat against packs of elites is always the same, i scryer, run, PA + H1

[vivid epoch]

How are you Spark 'eads?

[ornate hamlet]

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[vivid epoch]

Same

[potent echo]

UnboundNameException: global name 'greetings' is not defined

[thin knoll]

Anybody got a flame trauma build without bubble shield? Not sure which path to take.

[ornate hamlet]

Venting shriek time

💪

[strong gulch]

1 point to do with as you please. My vote would be Soulstealer or KD.

You could also take In Fire Reborn instead of Psychic Vampire.

[mossy oyster]

no sped up burst with shriek

me sad

i like bb

[strong gulch]

This is fire trauma, not BB build

[mossy oyster]

well true enough

[strong gulch]

But, there is a free point that could go into KR.

[potent echo]

WC build no luxury points

Missing +15 toughness and 10% health yuck

[strong gulch]

Yip

[brazen rampart]

Not taking kinetic deflection, but taking the travel node to it?

[ornate hamlet]

KD gaming

[strong gulch]

I personally always take KD, but not everyone does so I left it off. Fire trauma wants crits.

[mental grail]

Yo

The Indi shock maul fucks

more than I thought it would tbh

I'm still a force sword guy, but the mace feels good immediately

The only thing I don't particularly like is the shove, but I think force sword/laspistol pushes have spoiled me.

[ornate hamlet]

I wish it had more finesse

[patent wing]

i wish it wouldnt sound like a pool noodle

[thin knoll]

Thanks!

[potent echo]

5% crit is real good for blaze

Mauls have amazingly decent horde clear

[ornate hamlet]

An astonishingly alright killing power

An oppressively fine murder rate

[potent echo]

Peak mellow performance

[wind spruce]

Oh I was running mk2, I'll try the mk7

[wind spruce]

I don't mind BM, you can get up to the OSBP on bruisers if you run unarmoured flak

[wind spruce]

Or try this

[potent echo]

DD

[wind spruce]

The universal psyker build

[potent echo]

I'll even drop assail regen to get extra toughy

And extra health

[wind spruce]

Totally valid

How extra health

[potent echo]

Below warp rider

[wind spruce]

The node above puppet master is peril

That's toughness

[potent echo]

Thats health no? I forgor

F

[wind spruce]

The one above is health

[potent echo]

But yea 30% more toughy

[wind spruce]

Juicy

[strong gulch]

Assail trauma is a comfy build for sure.

[mossy oyster]

you mean assail columnus

as comfy as a race jet

[strong gulch]

THE fire tauma build is still WC tho. The most trauma and sweaty option.

WC so point hungy tho 😭

[jagged gate]

crushers begone

[wind spruce]

Not gonna say it isn't, but DD + assail + true aim adds so much that it's pretty damn close.

[hearty dagger]

Guys, is crit multiplier universal or unique to all guns?

[wind spruce]

Every weapon has a different crit multiplier

It just means "how much more on a crit compared to normal hit does this weapon do." You can just check the weapon breakdown in-game to roughly calculate it

[strong gulch]

Each class also has its own base crit chance.

I wish these things were just plainly stated in game.

[wind spruce]

Discovery is half the fun!

[ornate hamlet]

I think they normalized that at least?

I remember someone correcting me on vet's 7.5% some days ago

[strong gulch]

Oh really? Inch res ting.

[potent echo]

I would say no but

Check crit chance mod

[wind spruce]

Vet and Zealots are 5%. Ogryn 2.5%.

[halcyon gust]

Psykers have the highest base crit chance

[round coyote]

Hug not need critical hit when have big weapon to crush.

[plucky flax]

Dd for the big trauma crit pog

[cosmic sigil]

Yeah I don't like that combo on the MK2. I would run BM on it.

[wind spruce]

Definitely felt better with the mk7

[cosmic sigil]

yeah!

[thin finch]

Got the "'On Overwatch" thanks to a Psyker :

Truly the best class

[potent echo]

terror in the dark is scary

[thin knoll]

Does someone understand the smite hate? I was just looking at a thread about it on reddit, and everyone who hates it hates it for seemingly different reasons.

I saw people say it sucked, it was too strong, people played badly with it, it was boring to play with, it gave an unfair advantage to bad players...etc. I main Ogryn and rarely have I encountered such problems with smite users. Idk.

[potent echo]

yea

if you dont see a problem why should you

[thin knoll]

I'm a curious slab I guess

[rigid sky]

Smite in the hands of an idiot is shit

Smite in the hands of somebody using it wisely trivialises a lot of situations

[brittle cargo]

I hate when psykers on my team do nothing but smite because it ruins the fun for me when everything is standing still. I also think it enables bad play, I see far too many smykers in auric maelstroms that can’t even 1v1 a bulwark because they’re so used to their team killing things for them

[latent mauve]

if a smite user kills everything, the rest of the team can't regen

[thin knoll]

Fair enough

[latent mauve]

I also like to fight enemies, which smite just removes from the game

[rigid sky]

Make sure to take Venting Shriek with it

Specifically creeping flames version (as usual)

[brittle cargo]

Playing devils claw sword with a smyker on your team feels very bad. I just want to parry:(

[latent mauve]

I love ogryn players starting the event when theres a dog wave active, just to instantly go down

[jovial juniper]

The amount of bad smykers overshadow the amount of good smykers

So yeah my problem is with the players

[quartz barn]

simply become a smyker yourself

and show how broken the build is

then bad players will copy it

and the cycle restarts

[thin knoll]

What makes a good smyker? Because it seems some people just dislike smite inherently. Not spamming it sure.

[jovial juniper]

I will after my cravings for Scrier's Surge go away

[quartz barn]

base smite is bad

but with ep its broken

disliked because it trivializes gameplay

and because people tend to call it the support playstyle which in 99% of the scenarios is unwanted

[latent mauve]

Lemme post what happens with smite in a lobby

[brazen rampart]

Good smitekers aren't real.

[quartz barn]

"i stagger the crusher so im a good player"

like bro you did fuck all and got carried

[latent mauve]

Four way smite

[brazen rampart]

If you use a full smiteker setup, you are actively handicapping the damage and usefulness your class is capable of further than that of simply being silly.

[latent mauve]

All of the real dps of smite is creeping flames

[jovial juniper]

Not being an one button andy helps aka smiting two enemies when you could've just killed them

[brazen rampart]

Yeah. You can get creeping flames dps without smite.

I can go assail and run creeping flames, ffs.

Or spam out empowered force sword attacks and pop it.

[jovial juniper]

Driving yourself into a corner while smiting is also a no go

[brazen rampart]

There's a number of things you can do to get that dps that involve more brain power than simply hold right click.

Also, unpopular opinion, creeping flames isn't even that good.

[quartz barn]

its not even about dmg, but contribution

[latent mauve]

I leave on smyker in lobby

[quartz barn]

staggering enemies is heavily overestimated

[latent mauve]

I prefer enemies to be able to fight back

[brazen rampart]

In the time it takes for it to kill the 50 chaff and 4 elites mixed in, I could have killed all of them with a surge staff or any fs/ds.

Not to mention a voidstrike.

[quartz barn]

especially at higher difficulties when its much better to instakill everything in sight to keep up with the special spam

[brazen rampart]

Long story short, it's not worth using it because you're a nuisance to your team in more ways than one.

You want crowd control? Take assail. You want anti carapace? Take brain burst. You want something that isn't those two things? That's what staves are for.

[jovial juniper]

Fr, trauma can do most of what smite does + having long range attacks with good damage and suppression

[potent echo]

smite

[halcyon gust]

The only time I have issues with smite is if it is overused

[plucky flax]

The more you use smite the better you are.

[potent echo]

I already ran through the 6 stages of grief with smyking

now im a top tier smyker

[halcyon gust]

I run smite on my Voidstrike build because other 2 blitzs are kinda redundant on it

And I only really use smite if needed

[grizzled sierra]

this discussion calls for this

https://youtu.be/UaPNcxYD1OE?si=Tkwl7TSBpLkreK3M

tldr

using smite is fine

[late sapphire]

I really like the stagger on surge

More often than not i can catch a crusher moments before its overhead flattens the unaware veteran

The only purpose of smite is use as a game pause button if i need to scratch my balls

[wind spruce]

No, you're not. This is a misconception. EP smite plus CF is incredibly high damage and one of the strongest and least fun (for yourself AND your teammates) builds in the game. The duality of this, and that so many smitekers are absolute garbage because they never learn the core Darktide mechanics is what makes smite such a uniquely badly designed ability.

[dull rover]

My lobbies are always full of bots so I have to use smite a lot to hopefully avoid the classic teammates who swing around aimlesslyc get downed and quit immediately. If I have a decent team I almost never use it but that is rare.

In this situation, I’m referring to players who should not be playing auric damnation as bots.

[wind spruce]

Nah, you don't have to use it even with a bad team. You can carry with a staff and different blitz.

[mental grail]

Unironically true and real and based.

[plucky flax]

[wind spruce]

It's absurd people think smite isn't ridiculously overpowered. Just uninstall and spare us.

[halcyon gust]

Smite is just another tool in our bag of tricks we can employ.

[hearty dagger]

Me when the smiteker/recon lasgun vet just stand there and smite against something that is very clearly not getting stunned/dying

[mental grail]

Team game? Pfft. Loser.

[near wyvern]

Sigh... Once again I am posting this here.

https://youtu.be/yrOmLUfNMw4

[wind spruce]

It's badly designed, broken and overpowered

[wind spruce]

This is what I'm trying to say people

[mental grail]

The only thing that matters is that my numbers are higher.

[near wyvern]

It's amazing how this topic always pops up every once in a while. I wonder if there is any regular periodicity to it.

[upper galleon]

It’s contagious to the point fatshark got infected

And genuinely believed smite needed buffs because of the weirdo support mains

[wind spruce]

You can always find a pattern in data if you shift your parameters enough times

[near wyvern]

No, smite does not need buffs. If an thing it needs a rework because at lower levels it's hot garbage and at Auric Maels it trivializes the game

[upper galleon]

They base their perspective on the worst smitekers

[upper galleon]

Reread

Past tense

[hearty dagger]

All i'm gonna say is we need more funny status effect synergies

[upper galleon]

EP venting flame smite was already good horde clear before they buffed the EP to 200% damage, which makes no sense unless there were support smiters using shield and EP and doing barely any damage and dragging down the winrate

[hearty dagger]

Ala Mercy Killer but not just "do extra damage on guy with status effect"

[near wyvern]

What buffs are you referring to? To my knowledge all that changed after the release of smite was a couple talent related bugs and EP changes

EP smite is not where it's broken

It's the warp siphon soulblaze way that absolutely breaks the game

[upper galleon]

Ehh, darktide isn’t that much of an rpg and idk if debuff stacking being optimal would be fun or interesting, i remember that was what a lot of people had issue with in borderlands 2

[wind spruce]

EP smite is definitely broken

[upper galleon]

Simple stuff like mercy killer works without being overly complex

[wind spruce]

They're both cracked now

[mental grail]

Judging by the quality of most players, they should.

[upper galleon]

The 50% to 200% damage buff to smite EP? The one that lets smite EP alone kill ragers and below in 8 seconds or less

[near wyvern]

Decent but not broken, you still need a couple brain cells to place yourself correctly. Flame smite you can just go RMB "oh no I got hit" do it again and again and again.

[upper galleon]

It is the problem

[upper galleon]

Both things can be a problem

Lol

It’s layers of bullshit, we already know pc and creeping flames is too strong, now it’s combined with a too strong smite that scales too well in higher density difficulty

[wind spruce]

If you get the sort of chain kills in your clip, sure. EP smite is differently brain dead due to the high spread rate and being able to kill everything with just smite itself

[upper galleon]

Yep combine them together and you kill everything below a crusher in 8 seconds or less yipeee

In a massive aoe

[wind spruce]

Yep, it's bonkers, and super consistent since you'll have EP up with basically every cast

[upper galleon]

Yea since it’s 1 ep per channel

[near wyvern]

The thing is you can chain off hordes as well and hold all the specials and elites while your team is smacking on monstrosity. And killing the elites in the end, not as fast as EP Smite but you hold them in place even if you don't kill them.

Which also prevents more from spawning cause spawn caps.

I agree damage is better than CC except in the very special case when you can CC everything forever as long as your screen has enemies

[upper galleon]

And you can just extend it, sometimes with multiple vents

You can’t cc everything forever unless you are killing shit

[potent echo]

you can't really get multiple vents unless you playing maelstroms

[upper galleon]

And proccing Pyskinetic and battle meditation

[near wyvern]

Which is why I said smite is garbage at lower tiers and completely broken at Auric Maels

[potent echo]

20% cdr lul

enchanced smite lul

[upper galleon]

Like yea idk how to get it through

[wind spruce]

Yeah, with all the horde units you're ripping through the BM procs are bonkers for elongating your cast

[upper galleon]

It’s layer of BS

Both arr

EP smite should not be that strong and venting PC build is it’s own flavor of BS but when they combine it is what makes it so OP

[wind spruce]

Unironically the strongest build in the game (small variations permitted)

Oops I forgot BM

[upper galleon]

Yea idk if crit is needed

How does crit work with smite actually

[wind spruce]

Doesn't work

So yeah drop perfect timing for BM

[narrow herald]

If this isn't void staff build I don't want to hear it 🚶🏻

[wind spruce]

Best void build

[narrow herald]

I hate Assail no Thx 😔

[potent echo]

classic

[narrow herald]

Why use Assail if I can just use the Void? 🤔

[wind spruce]

Because it supplements it really well

And is incredibly strong

[vestal fulcrum]

Because Void is a ball of death

[upper galleon]

Assail is good for spread out enemies

[vestal fulcrum]

And Assail are homing projectiles of death

[upper galleon]

Void is great always but suffers if you are being encircled by trash

[narrow herald]

I understand the strength of Assail of instant wave clearing, but is it worth 2 extra points and losing access to Aura? 🤔

Idk, I feel like I just slaughter everything on maelstrom and use my Isili for "wave clearing" in mele range.

[wind spruce]

Absolutely

[vestal fulcrum]

Yes. Maybe. It depends. You will not always get good value out of PA, but you can almost always get good value out of Assail

[wind spruce]

Assail isn't for horde clearing

Doesn't overlap with illisi

[narrow herald]

Hell the Raepier can wave clear decently when when you get enough finesse on it

[wind spruce]

Assail is for spread out ranged enemies and specialists

[narrow herald]

Also if I really need to wipe a room I have Vent

I just would rather prefer some extra nods like toughness or cooldown

[wind spruce]

Also, assail supplements almost every situation since it can be weaved in almost instantaneously

Assail also stacks true aim for extra void pewpewing

[narrow herald]

Nah I want to keep throwing my balls 😔

[wind spruce]

You don't have to stop throwing them

[halcyon gust]

I never found assail to be that useful on void to be honest

[wind spruce]

That's the beauty of it

[narrow herald]

If I switch to Assail that is less me juggling my balls

[wind spruce]

Put in a few dozen games with it and you'll see

[narrow herald]

I have I absolutely hate Assail

[wind spruce]

Barely. You can switch to Assail, shoot two shards and switch back in like 0.7s

[narrow herald]

Clunky and forces you to keep looking at the target

[wind spruce]

Assail is smooth af

[narrow herald]

No it isn't

[wind spruce]

Literally the opposite of clunky

[jovial juniper]

It doesn't crit because emphatic evasion would go hard it

[halcyon gust]

I found it always leave targets at very low HP even under ideal situations

[narrow herald]

Assail needs you to keep staring at the target for the bolts to home in on the targets

[wind spruce]

https://outplayed.tv/media/eQO85k

[halcyon gust]

And alt fire is just clunky as all fuck

[wind spruce]

Assail is not clunky.

[narrow herald]

So if I look away even for a split second the bolts just head off to Narnia

[wind spruce]

I fire them so fast in this clip you can barely see it

[narrow herald]

Nah I prefer keep shooting the bolts

[wind spruce]

It's a supplement, not supposed to do the full damage most of the time

[radiant frigate]

sure assail can do stuff

[narrow herald]

Especially in a coridoor like that

I feel like I'm in a bolling ally 👌

[radiant frigate]

but if you run assail voidstrike illisi

a boss comes up and you just afk

[wind spruce]

Stop running illisi on everything

It's not even that good

[narrow herald]

I don't run Issili, I run Raepier

[wind spruce]

Good man

[vestal fulcrum]

Theeen run a CB6

Or DS4

Or what have you

[hearty dagger]

Eeeeh rapier is good but gets boring.

[narrow herald]

Also Isilli is very strong on builds where you don't have high crit or Finesse

[restive ice]

that’s why i run antax combat axe

[wind spruce]

I'm not saying it's bad

[narrow herald]

[radiant frigate]

i will simply stick with perfection instead

[hearty dagger]

This is what peak performance looks like

[wind spruce]

But mid psykers have a tendency to run it on everything because muh force sword with easy horde control

[plucky flax]

My void build I use assail way more than void. Xd

Void build is actually assail build with a few void balls here and there.

[radiant frigate]

i run it because nothing else in the melee slot is main weapon material

[wind spruce]

Because it's broken af

[potent echo]

which has faster c.spawn TTK, maul or illisi

[halcyon gust]

It doesn't supplement enough on my build to get any value for me

[wind spruce]

Duelling sword is objectively more main weapon material