psyker-class

[stuck shoal]

crit cdr

20 seconds

[narrow herald]

Crit CDR was nerfed, you would need to crit 40 times to lower it to 20

[tribal girder]

You do do damage tho lol it give yous a 20 percent dmg buff, and you can swing your big ass evis. You also open all bulwarks, stagger boss and all green Enemies. You know what's the best part? You swing your evis a bit more and it's up again, gold toughness up time is off the roof, game is easy mode

[stuck shoal]

100% crit chance it works

[tribal girder]

Crit chance makes a huge diff

[narrow herald]

What games are yall playing? Malice? 🤔

[stuck shoal]

you can get it that high literally

[tribal girder]

No, Auric maelstrom

It is exactly the higher difficulties when it starts to shine

[stiff falcon]

50% spawn rate maelstrom

[stuck shoal]

Honestly if it works and you're pulling through auric maelstroms I don't think there's a reason to complain about it

it's not like it's a competitive game

[narrow herald]

Backstab cdr would probably be more consistent since it is percentage

But if you need high cdr for the ability to be functional, maybe the ability is shit and you need to waste nodes to and weapon builds to make it viable 🤔

It's like the old tac axe cope

[grizzled sierra]

ever since grug start edging spark 'eads brein he have way more fun
though blow up more too

[tribal girder]

It's not waste node if the build is extremely powerful with those nodes

[stuck shoal]

i forgot this is the psyker chat

[stuck shoal]

^^

[narrow herald]

Nah I would prefer to have my furry up every 5 seconds

[stuck shoal]

that's fine

[narrow herald]

Would kill more, would probably even get more toughness

[tribal girder]

That's fine

[narrow herald]

It's better

[stuck shoal]

literally however you enjoy the game if it works in a game who cares

[tribal girder]

You do you, not asking you to play book. just saying book is very good

[narrow herald]

Book is cope, get in there, if you want toughness overcapping go play Vet

[stuck shoal]

bruh this is a co op game

[tribal girder]

No.

[stuck shoal]

Why do you care what we do if its not bad

if it pulls auric

[narrow herald]

Book is literally the worst ability in the game, I understand that anything in this game can be "viable" but there is literally no argument in what it can provide to Zealot that the others already do

[tribal girder]

Just because you don't enjoy it doesn't mean it's bad

[stuck shoal]

you not enjoying it doesn't make it the worse

[tribal girder]

There is no worse ability in the game

[stuck shoal]

literally

[narrow herald]

No it isn't about enjoyment it is objectively worse

[stuck shoal]

ok this is ragebait I'm out

[narrow herald]

I use book on my troll blood knife build because it's funny to stun lock bosses, but then I cringe when I see my damage numbers being half what they could be 😔

[upper sun]

the most fun i had with relic was knocking a boss off a ledge

but other than that it has very little gameplay unlike stealth or chastise

[tribal girder]

That's your problem lmao, you didn't find success and rather than diving deeper and self reflection, you choose the easy way and blame the ability, it's okay we all been there. But you do you king

[halcyon gust]

I still see Zealots every now and again sending bosses off the ledge

[strong gulch]

I need to do relic for the penance, but I just haven't yet.

[grizzled sierra]

warp nexus good?
Grug have much fun trying balance high peril

[narrow herald]

I want book to be buffed, it's shit.

The problem with it, is if they lower the cooldown it can be exploited by the 2 CDR nodes

[upper sun]

idk man its like smite not much gameplay so im not gonna play it

[strong gulch]

Yes. Nexus good.

[upper sun]

ye it goes on every staff

[tribal girder]

Warp nexus good. Good on every staff almost!

[narrow herald]

Guys check it out, I got 280+ toughness, but because I didn't kill anything 20 ragers just spawned

☠️

[stuck shoal]

it literally already is exploited by them I can get near constant invincibility in a group of enemies

[halcyon gust]

Relic is strong when you have teammates that learn to exploit it Or those without horse blinders to see you T-posing near a teammate to revive or objective to push

[upper sun]

jtc made a good video on smite i think it also applies to relic

[stuck shoal]

I play with a dedicated team in a VC maybe that's why I find it so good then

are you playing with randoms orcka

[grizzled sierra]

do sparky take stam/tuff/helth, Stam/tuff/tuff or helth/tuff/tuff?

[halcyon gust]

If you play with group of pals and such. Support skills are a lot stronger

[narrow herald]

"near constant"

Are in modifyers that only spawn pox walkers? 🤔

[upper sun]

essentially its ok to have in the game for people who play the game less or disabled games and i kinda agree

[tribal girder]

Usually tugh/health/stam

[upper sun]

still not gonna play them

[stuck shoal]

i said in a group of enemies

[grizzled sierra]

thank

[halcyon gust]

Tough/Tough/Stam

[grizzled sierra]

oke

[narrow herald]

OK so you crit 40 times in the span of half of a second?

[stuck shoal]

knofe

[tribal girder]

Oyw to get deleted by pox burst or sniper

[stuck shoal]

i also fucking said near

[upper sun]

i have +3stamina 17% toughness 21%hp perks are x3 toughness and 3x combat ability and rest is whatever resistance you can get

[narrow herald]

In order to drop the CDR of book to 20 seconds, you need to crit 40 times individually per attack

[halcyon gust]

Snipers rarely get me

[stuck shoal]

whatever you just want to argue, I enjoy it, It works, that's what matters, I don't care about min/maxing if it literally works great in all my games

[halcyon gust]

It's Pox bursters with dumbass teammates

[strong gulch]

It's kinda dealer's choice. Around 200 hp let's you tank sniper or busrter. If you get the thoughness nodes from the talent tree, then toughness curios actually have something to work off of. Stam cruio with KD can really feed knife push attack spam.

[stuck shoal]

just find better teammates

[narrow herald]

Yeah but I'm pointing out you are wrong about "perminant invulnerablility"

No it isn't even close my dude

[stuck shoal]

i didn't say permanant

i said near constant

incan get the cooldown very low

whatever

my bad then

[narrow herald]

So let's do some simple math shall me 🤓

[stuck shoal]

bruh I said my bad

[narrow herald]

Book final tick lasts 10 seconds and the ability is a 60 second cooldown

OK so you have 50 seconds left to work with

OK so you said you cna get that cooldown to 20 seconds

[stuck shoal]

10-15 secs of not invincible

[restive ice]

https://tenor.com/view/let-it-go-frozen-twirl-spin-channing-tatum-gif-10204125

[stuck shoal]

if surrounded by enemies!!!

[stuck shoal]

actually true

[tribal girder]

Just stop. Man's minds is made up

[narrow herald]

OK so in order to get the cooldown down to 20 seconds with the crit talent, you would need to crit 30 times

[stuck shoal]

i cN do that

that's 30 hits

[narrow herald]

Assuming the crit rate is 100%, what weapon can do that in the span of 20 seconds? 🤔

[stuck shoal]

20

[tribal girder]

Heavy evis

[stuck shoal]

??

[narrow herald]

????

[stuck shoal]

i use knoife

[tribal girder]

Did they change that?

[narrow herald]

The heavy evis can do 1 light every second

[restive ice]

it's only 1 per swing now, not every target hit

[narrow herald]

So it can only AT most hit one crit per second

[tribal girder]

Ah okay.

[narrow herald]

Assuming you hit something that is

And you can constantly hitting

[stuck shoal]

as i said surrounded by enemies

[narrow herald]

So for the evis to even get the cooldown down to 10 seconds you would need to swing it 10 times 💀

[stuck shoal]

i use a knife tho?

[tribal girder]

Tbh, if that's the case I actually think knife with back stab is better

[narrow herald]

I'm talking to you

[stuck shoal]

yeah but it's tedious to go for backstabs i would rather swing wildly

[narrow herald]

OK so you use knife lights to deal with a horde?

[stuck shoal]

it works

[narrow herald]

Because heavies are about a second as well

[tribal girder]

It's not tedious if you know how to consistently get it, quite easily actually

[narrow herald]

OK good luck killing a horde with lights my dude 🚶🏻

[stuck shoal]

bruh but I do??

man can't comprehend

crackhead zealot power

[tribal girder]

I play a shit ton of stealth zealot so I m used to setting up backstabs

[narrow herald]

If you are using only lights to clear a horde with a mk6 knife you are literally coping, I'm sorry

[stuck shoal]

i use catachan

idk the numbers

[narrow herald]

Even with MK3, the knife is one of the worst horde clearers in the game

[stuck shoal]

I don't have to do it for too long until my cd is replenished

[queen fog]

I’m still a scrub when gettin down backstabs, I be misjudging how short/long the stagger time of my other stuff is

[stuck shoal]

and then switch back to my autogun brace

[restive ice]

https://tenor.com/view/spy-tf2-spy-x-family-spy-bruh-bruh-moment-gif-25527210

[narrow herald]

OK so I'm going to give u the benefit of doubt, let's say you have no problems because your team is picking up the dead weight.

I spam lights with the MK3, thats about 3 per second?

[stuck shoal]

idk I don't count it

[narrow herald]

So in 10 seconds I can crit 30 times, again assuming I am always hitting something with 100% crit

Wow amazing a 20 second gap at the best case scenerio

I'm truly invincible

[stuck shoal]

why do you care tho

if I'm easily pulling auric maelstrom

[narrow herald]

OK but that doesn't make it better 🤷🏻

If ur good enough you can solo aurics with grey items

[restive ice]

https://tenor.com/view/metal-gear-rising-mgr-sundowner-sundowner-mgr-mgr-sundowner-gif-11270624629664337957

[stuck shoal]

also don't you hit multiple times with lights because of cleave

well great at least my message count is up

[narrow herald]

Let's also address the elephant in the room. If an ability needs to be lowered in its cooldown to be used as frequently as possible.

Maybe, just maybe it was shit to begin with? 🤯

[restive ice]

oh damn brain burst emoji

[upper sun]

me: F>LMB... 🤯 u

[narrow herald]

They need to make this emoji

[grizzled sierra]

So do Sparky take warp rider and the less charge time blessing together or warp with the hit twice on crit

Grug think latter but want make sure

[analog agate]

Warp rider is a must on all builds

What build are you trying for? What staff?

[grizzled sierra]

Grug use this with voidstrike

Well not fully there yet
Sparky Grug only at 26, so close!

[analog agate]

I’d personally do battle mediation (up top) and pick cruel fortune (end of keystone). Other than that looks good

Sorry. Replace BM with CF

[strong gulch]

Yeah, I agree with diabolic.

With all points used, this is my void tree.

I personally dislike the slow charge time of void and opt for flurry + surge (with true aim).

surge + flurry / nexus is the void meta (true aim assumed)

[narrow herald]

Yeah but don't you splurge in your pants when u land a double bolt I to a horde of shotgunners

[grizzled sierra]

Interesting
Grug thought everyone would run warp and flurry because warp mean more crit

[strong gulch]

True. My favorite is when that happens on revolver with it's silly hit box.

[grizzled sierra]

Grug love revolver but voidstrike really fun

And no long reload

[narrow herald]

This is my build https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9c39a906-38b0-47d1-b8a5-3c44c08d3563/big-cock-psyker-build

[strong gulch]

Generally true, but with void's cleave and ability to hit heads with the RMB to take advantage of void and flurry's better uptime, the damage is comparable with nexus.

[narrow herald]

But I don't like Assail

If you want an Assail focused build, this is probably not good

Prob with Assail for me is u then loose access to Aura 😔

And Aura is such a GOATed talent

[grizzled sierra]

Grug use Assail for panic situations
Like sorrounded by swarm to stagger
Or when lazy

Peril for shriek

Can tell if Grug scared when many enemies and Grug use Assail instead of much better voidstrike to try and get enemy away

Also jerk mouse like crazy

[strong gulch]

My problem with void is needing to aim it.

[grizzled sierra]

Ever aim void down alleyway with entire swarm and killing a lot

Is why Grug love voidstrike

[strong gulch]

Although, I do like trauma and a lot of people don't like it because of how it aims. 💀

[narrow herald]

Void has a lot of value if you learn to snipe with it, it is very forgiving especially when it pierces thru multiple enemies.

It isn't like a tiny Las shot that will probably only hit one person at a time

[stiff falcon]

four wounds

threw the run

[strong gulch]

Void def has value, I just don't like it.

[stiff falcon]

@jaunty basin ass team damage

[narrow herald]

You are the team 😎

[jaunty basin]

ass team

damn

my brain no comprehend rn

[stiff falcon]

Asshole blew up 5 fuckin poxbursters on me

[jaunty basin]

OH

who hurt you dorn

[stiff falcon]

The psyker : (

[jaunty basin]

the psyker would never

[narrow herald]

Pvp gameplay

[stiff falcon]

My steam block list is just darktide players

[jaunty basin]

(just smykers)

[stiff falcon]

Nah

I just leave

[zinc sphinx]

why spark heads hate other spark heads?

[upper sun]

i legit only encounter a full smyker once a week

[brazen rampart]

Yes, it's a deceptively large hitbox for what it is.

[brazen rampart]

You Slabs don't like it when another Slab says they're bigger or stronger than you, no?

Same situation.

[narrow herald]

[zinc sphinx]

only had that issue once, score showed who really was the strongest

[grizzled sierra]

Grug steam block list is people ask for his skins
Grug no even have skins

[lyric burrow]

I need your lobbies

[narrow herald]

Smykers can be actually GOATed if they actually switch between smite and their staff 😔

[upper sun]

the secret is to dodge based on weapon modifications

if you see terrifying barrage, weakspot, crit damage, specialists, carapace on an autogun or flamer dodge

[restive ice]

peel the skin off the scab trapper

[upper sun]

this simple method gets me a veri high win rate

[grizzled sierra]

Grug do! Whenever possible!
Grug have personal vendetta against trapper from play ogryn
Grug swear Was caught behind walls

[restive ice]

https://tenor.com/view/snake-walls-crongulate-trolled-gif-26407062

[strong gulch]

You should try a surge staff or BB build.

[grizzled sierra]

I know surge but what's BB

Wait nvm

Brain burst

I think it's neat but I feel it can be hard to target and it goes off quite slowly from what I've tried
There are probably ways to make it faster though

[strong gulch]

Brain Burst. It's now called Brain Rupture, but it used to be called Brain Burst and we never adapted. So BB.

[grizzled sierra]

I was thinking BB? Like BB from Death Stranding? Next thing I know they'll tell me to hide from BT's

[strong gulch]

You can pre charge it, BUT EP BB makes it a lot faster. Especially with blue stim.

[grizzled sierra]

Huh. I never really used a blue stimm now you mention it

[strong gulch]

BB with KR (kinetic resonance), EP, double wall (for 2 ability casts) and blue stim go brrr.

[grizzled sierra]

Where peril

[strong gulch]

EP

no peril because of EP stack

[grizzled sierra]

Ooooh

Refreshes itself

Neat

[narrow herald]

Best smite build go

[strong gulch]

this also procs PC and aura a lot.

[lethal lagoon]

With surge staff

[narrow herald]

U prefer warp over mettle?

[strong gulch]

Full smite build. Smite is the main stay and it can't crit.

[lethal lagoon]

I also purposefully use this amazing stick

[narrow herald]

Yes I know but the Surge staff usually likes taking Nexus

[upper sun]

this can get you kicked out of games

do not run this

[lethal lagoon]

I don't use surge enough for mettle to be worth.

[narrow herald]

Perfect timing also wouldn't proc very much, but the benefit I assume is the damage

[lethal lagoon]

I've literally never had anyone complain.

[lethal lagoon]

You can get 5 stacks from 1 illy swing now

[upper sun]

😭

[narrow herald]

Wait u can?

[lethal lagoon]

yeah

[narrow herald]

But not Mettle?

[lethal lagoon]

n

[upper sun]

need the blackships to send all the smykers from US to EU

[narrow herald]

Wtf

[upper sun]

he only uses staff on crushers and bullwarks

[lethal lagoon]

And busses

I hate busses

[narrow herald]

Nah I smite bosses

😎👌

[upper sun]

i love busses

[lethal lagoon]

public transportion needs to be stopped

pollute the planet harder

Let it feel the might of human industry.

[narrow herald]

Be like the US smipkers, just smite everything

[upper sun]

the american mind can not comprehend sleeping on a 16 hour train ride

[narrow herald]

"guys I'm helping"

"I'm playing support psyker"

[lethal lagoon]

You know we have planes right?

Also we do have long term busses and trains

Those are for "poor" people though generally

[upper sun]

KEK

bro is gonna ride a BUS for 16 hours

[lethal lagoon]

Yeah, I can take a bus florida for about 20 hours.

They are kinda large/nice leg room

So not horrible

[upper sun]

no cafeteria

[narrow herald]

So your saying Mettle can be proved only with seperate attacks but not perfect?

[lethal lagoon]

I'm not saying anything, mettle is one stack per hit.

Perfect timing is as many as enemies as you hit

[narrow herald]

😔

🤲

OK but will I be kicked before the game even starts 🤔

By a main character syndrome Zealot who goes book loner evis

[lethal lagoon]

Are you US?

I've never run into these problems

[narrow herald]

Yes 😔

[lethal lagoon]

Most of the people I get queued with are xbox players

Or gamepass

[narrow herald]

Ah so players that are playing on 10 FPS 😔

[lethal lagoon]

I mean if the enter lobby is like 500+ then maybe I'll swap.

But I don't really run into high true levels that often.

[strong gulch]

I'm a casual non-auric T5 player, but I haven't has people complain when I take bad builds or funny things.

[lethal lagoon]

And they usually arent that good anyways

[strong gulch]

US btw

[narrow herald]

I'm asking if me playing smykers would get me persecuted 😔

[upper sun]

on eu maybe

oce too

[lethal lagoon]

Yeah that's what we are answering?

[narrow herald]

Kk

[restive ice]

i am smitephobic

[strong gulch]

Like, I don't get kicked when I take these and just lmb pewpew the whole map.

[narrow herald]

Do I get kicked if they see me with a blaze Isilli? 🤔

[lethal lagoon]

Who's alive to persecute me?

[restive ice]

who the hell is getting kicked nowadays

[strong gulch]

I never have gotten kicked for that either.

[broken carbon]

i’ve only ever seen one vote kick lmfao

[restive ice]

drunk micspamming zealots who end up dead 90% of the match don't even get kicked

[lethal lagoon]

Most people are main characters, I don't think they care.

[restive ice]

because i voted against it

[broken carbon]

actually

no

i haven’t

[lethal lagoon]

Wow okay, so you just lied like that

Gross

[broken carbon]

i’ve only seen one attempted but it didn’t go through

[lethal lagoon]

Anytime I've seen a player toxic enough to be kicked, he always has a friend queued with him. So no point in kicking.

[broken carbon]

950 hours and only one vote kick attempt

[narrow herald]

Why does this one guy with a $2 mic keep making call outs trying to larp as a navy seal ☠️

[broken carbon]

i hate people that do call outs like that

like i know ur trying to help but

[lethal lagoon]

StaY TOeGEhETER!

[narrow herald]

8 O CLOCK MUTI

[lethal lagoon]

https://tenor.com/view/elden-ring-rykard-snake-gif-25916854

[broken carbon]

saying “erm guys there’s 6 crushers, on your one o’ lock!”

die

[narrow herald]

Bruh just highlight them

Lmao

[lethal lagoon]

erm guys, could we stick closer, cohernecy is important you know

You shouldn't run a-ahead like that, baka

[broken carbon]

a while ago me and cica queued up with a guy from this server, and we wiped once because of a mix of shitty luck and not really staying together

and

we requeue

[broken carbon]

we were in vc with him*

and we go again

[narrow herald]

They try to make these clalouts on their shitty ass turtle beach mic that came with the Xbox they bought.

While their entire family is over in the background and they are playing inside of an echo chamber

[broken carbon]

and when i run a SLIGHT BIT AHEAD

as KNIFE ZEALOT

he goes

“there goes ace running away again” all pissy

it was incredibly funny

[restive ice]

TRAXIS 77 ON YOUR 630

DEFENCE PATTERN 2 12

TANGO DOWN

HUNTER 2 4 WE ARE OSCAR MIKE

[narrow herald]

I once was playing loner Zealot (I know the horror)

And this one guy kept crying about me going invisible but I wasn't "doing anything"

When I picked him up 5 times in a row ☠️

[strong gulch]

Me in VT2. I somehow got Wargobbler out of "Poison Wind Globadier".

[tribal girder]

book is so bad

casually shitting on all bosses the game throws at me while simultaneously keeping my team invulnerable

such a bad ability

[upper sun]

got em

[stiff falcon]

wow book so good

[upper sun]

relic i fine people will naturally move away from it as they play the game more

[tribal girder]

nah its better when the game gets hard. when you look at the other players build and be like hmm, this is a maelstrom with a fuck ton of difficult modifiers, and i m playing with a plasma vet, a psyker and a stealth zealot, let me make sure none of them die

[upper sun]

you can help them more by killing the threats before they become threats

do you wanna hold the boss in place for 7 seconds? or dash behind it and kill the squad of shotgunners behind it?

[strong gulch]

I do love the idea of running around with a book and trying to show it to everyone.

[restive ice]

I GOT IT HALF OFF!

[strong gulch]

LOOOK AT IT

[tribal girder]

the misconception is book zealot does no damge which is completely false. You can play the hyper dash man and do your thing, i know what you can do with martyrdom charge rashad. But the game is the easiest when 4 players are all alive. And i m not trying to prove book does more damage than charge, i am saying you can still do very high damage with book, and total end game damage is not the only thing that matters. Otherwise stealth would also be usleess but its not.

[quartz barn]

its not about high dmg, its about necessary dmg

[stiff falcon]

A plasma vet dying is hilarious

[quartz barn]

because at that point its utility, same as book + stealth

[narrow herald]

the fact the Psyker killed more in melle than you did kinda shows otherwise 💀

[tribal girder]

plasma vet die all the time fyi

[stiff falcon]

Because you can’t put pressure on a good player running plasma

[quartz barn]

plasma vet die because pub teammate

but plasma vet premade hard carries

[stiff falcon]

https://tenor.com/view/pwhl-crutch-clap-montreal-mtl-gif-14307306720820443338

[upper sun]

plasma vets die because theyre bad

[quartz barn]

same for stealth player, or knife zealot

[stiff falcon]

It’s this

[quartz barn]

or both xd

[stiff falcon]

Plasma psword you are immortal or terrible

[narrow herald]

also wouldn't you want a scoreboard mod that actually shows the toughness replenishment and CCing?

[tribal girder]

it doesnt matter lmao you cant always make sure your teamates are gods

[quartz barn]

guess ill know what to use when going for vet penances

[upper sun]

i have legit seen only one good plasma vet in all my time and it ruined the game for me

[narrow herald]

because this scoreboard doesn't tell me anything when it comes to how useful the book is

[quartz barn]

time to run some meta loadout and hard carry

[upper sun]

99% of the time they die once and leave the game

[narrow herald]

"guys I had this run with grey items, and topped the charts"

"grey items are good" 😎

[quartz barn]

dw its the usual "big score = im a good player" moment

[stiff falcon]

If you have a plasma, no enemy except bosses and random trash can hit you

[narrow herald]

TRUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU

[stiff falcon]

I can pull power di stats if you would like

Very in-depth

[quartz barn]

meanwhile turns of all the stats that are irrelevant to said player but affect the score of others

i would know because thats what i did lmao

gotta boost ego somehow

also bro why have ammo stats on

[narrow herald]

also, topping the mele charts as a zealot

holy shit I never seen that one before 😱

[quartz barn]

psyker will get a good team score by default now, because the less ammo used the higher their score

which makes no sense

[stiff falcon]

Team score shouldn’t be on

[quartz barn]

^

[stiff falcon]

None of the score things matter

[quartz barn]

team score is reversed

or inverse rather

[stiff falcon]

Actual/overkill is broken and doesn’t actually give correct data

Ovenproof my beloved

[narrow herald]

the only stat that matters is damage taken

[stiff falcon]

That’s kinda true

Damage dealt to damage taken

Zealots should aim for 1000 to 1

[quartz barn]

why is ogryn's offense score the highest?

none of the offense stats stand out compared to the rest

[radiant frigate]

2000 damage taken, 0 downs, 0 deaths, 600k melee damage
yeah, it's zealot time

[quartz barn]

ngl thats just a regular auric run

[stiff falcon]

If you are bad

Heheh

[quartz barn]

i guess, i am going for gungryn penances

[stiff falcon]

That’s duo damage taken numbers

[quartz barn]

ye dmg taken is way too high

is usually <200

would also mean they died and took a lot of dmg while downed

[upper sun]

what do you mean???? until death is a very balanced talent totally a good as KD and ironwill

[quartz barn]

or i guess until death also counts for that

[stiff falcon]

Until death can’t be nerfed

It would kill martydom

[quartz barn]

one dimensional ability my beloved

[upper sun]

cope

[radiant frigate]

i LOVE clawing my way out of hell when things go badly

[upper sun]

if rashad goes until death has to go

[stiff falcon]

Until death is ideal pathing

[upper sun]

until death is broken OP

[radiant frigate]

what i don't love is when until death pops while trapped

[quartz barn]

skill issue

[radiant frigate]

and it actually kills you at the end of its duration

[stiff falcon]

Boss dps/horde clear

[radiant frigate]

because it allowed poxwalkers to stack enough corruption to cross over into the 2nd wound

which would otherwise have been a regular down

[radiant frigate]

skipping out on 10% attack speed what-what

[stiff falcon]

Double charge

Really not needed

[brazen rampart]

Double charge is silly on non crit cdr builds.

[upper sun]

you dont really need twbs on knife

[stiff falcon]

Yeah you do

[upper sun]

i only pick it up on hammer

[stiff falcon]

Objectives

Gunner stun

[upper sun]

just play better

[narrow herald]

look at this abomination I created 😔 https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9ca461da-16ee-4c89-b61c-1e54ec2fd5e2/book-is-trash-stop-fcking-using-it?utm_medium=website&utm_source=gameslantern&utm_campaign=share_button

[radiant frigate]

does not matter, you are still skipping 10% permanent attack speed

[stiff falcon]

https://tenor.com/view/oh-no-oh-no-anyway-gif-18887547

Not crit spamming

[narrow herald]

I miss the crit evis build 😔

[stiff falcon]

It’s still valid

[narrow herald]

yes but I don't get my blitz back up anymore in 1 swing 😔

[stiff falcon]

But, you could also just dodge once and fully regen your cooldown

[narrow herald]

u mean for cut throat?

[stiff falcon]

Yeah

[unique haven]

hey peeps, any opinions on what the best force sword is? Ive ran dueling sword for as long as i can remember

[stiff falcon]

Incredibly strong talent

[upper sun]

deimos is best for single target illisi for clear

[tribal girder]

deimos is more well rounded. It can clear hordes well if paired with slaughterer blessing

[narrow herald]

but then it isn't a crit build anymore 😔 I might as well go regular

[unique haven]

Thanks guys!

[jovial juniper]

Obscurus needs (another) small tweak

[broken carbon]

“well” is very relative

psyker’s melee weapons are all extremely bad at horde clearing

even the illisi

while good, when compared to other classes, like a heavy sword

is just really bad

@buoyant maple did some numbers with it

all of psyker melee seem to be much more focused towards single target

with differing levels of focus towards single target

illisi with the least, leaning more towards horde clear, but still a good bit of single target

ds4 with the most, but a god awful horde clear

[tribal girder]

what do you want a plasma sword with psyker? guy asked for psyker weapons i m gonna give an answer regarding psyker's arsenal

[buoyant maple]

deimos is more single target/self defense

similar role as DS4

didn't actually check deimos cuz I don't have one with uncanny + slaughterer

[upper sun]

DEIMOS OF DEFENCE MENTIONED
WHAT THE FUCK IS DAMAGE HURRAH

[jovial juniper]

Uh Plasma Sword? That's Votann's, right?

[buoyant maple]

but it should be somewhere between illisi/DS4

[upper sun]

what if deimos had looping H2s

[brazen rampart]

What if deimos had dsmk4 heavies?

[upper sun]

then you cant H1L2 to clear

[buoyant maple]

Illisi was a bit surprising for me when I checked it tbh I rly thought it’d perform better

[brazen rampart]

You use deimos heavies for horde clear? I just light spam until I see an elite, then cycle until I get to h2 so I can h2 l1 spam it to death.

[upper sun]

heavy 1 has some cleave yeah

[buoyant maple]

Deimos is L1 -> H2 for every single enemy

It’s really just to spam H2 as much as possible

[brazen rampart]

Idk, I find light spam to be perfectly acceptable for horde clear.

[upper sun]

give it looping H2s

[brazen rampart]

Until I see an elite, that is.

[buoyant maple]

Actually nvm

Deimos H2 cleave sucks

[upper sun]

H1 is the cleavy 1

H2 is single target

[brazen rampart]

I do plenty of damage to oneshot anything that isn't an elite just by light spamming with uncanny stacks and precog working together.

[buoyant maple]

Idk I remember seeing psyker guide somewhere Deimos is L1 > H2

For everything

Just checked breakpoint calculator

[jovial juniper]

Scrier's already have their dueling sword, they'll take your force sword if it looped

[buoyant maple]

H2 has like almost no cleave lol

[upper sun]

ye

heavy 1 is 6.5

thats alright

[buoyant maple]

I only checked 2 psyker melee for horde clear and neither performed well

DS4 was especially underperforming

[brazen rampart]

Yeah, it's l1 h2 for any specialists or elites. You do sickening amounts of headshot damage with those attacks. You can get by with lights for chaff.

[jovial juniper]

That's kinda all of the stabs, no? Low cleave unless Ogryn

[brazen rampart]

You're playing psyker, you're gonna have low cleave.

[buoyant maple]

Illisi from what I’ve seen only rly struggles in boss damage which kind of applies to all non-gun psyker builds

[brazen rampart]

Kinda comes with the territory.

We out here 1shotting stuff, we ain't got time for cleave.

[upper sun]

wait

i'm not gonna mention deimos on the forum

they might fix the stagger on H2

i dont want that

[jovial juniper]

Unless you DS2 H2

[brazen rampart]

If they take away the h2 knockdown on ogryns I'm gonna be very sad.

[upper sun]

i'm pretty sure dimos isnt supposed to do that

[buoyant maple]

I did DS4 50 pox a bunch of times

[brazen rampart]

Poking a bulwark in the face and watching him eat shit on the ground is therapeutic to my soul.

[buoyant maple]

Without scrier’s gaze it’s like

Twice as slow as knife

With scrier’s gaze it’s still somewhere like 24s

Knife was 18.5

[jovial juniper]

They wouldn't have fixed the direction they fall if it wasn't supposed

[buoyant maple]

Granted, I don’t turbo optimize for horde kill efficiency (so this is more representative of performance for avg player)

Illisi was 17.1s

Just a little faster than knife, very surprising

Rly thought it’d do better

But it doesn’t have that good cleave distribution

[upper sun]

illisi attacks are tagged as strikedown or some shit

essentially the wrong one for clear

illisi has bad second/third target scalling

[buoyant maple]

The classification doesn’t matter what matters is the atk profile itself

Yea that’s the problem

[jovial juniper]

It was hilarious before

[brazen rampart]

Imagine throwing an entire bulwark at your teammate.

[jovial juniper]

Hitting a crusher square on the chest to make it fumble

[brazen rampart]

They need to make force swords more diverse, imo.

Some blessings should be built into the different models.

Imagine if obscurus had deflector built in.

[brazen rampart]

AND THE WORLD WILL KNOW PAIN

[ornate hamlet]

gurren lagann ass eyes

mf got the drill to pierce the heavens

[brazen rampart]

Honestly, I was mad about how that show ended.

Removing the plot from it, the fights were sick.

Very nice show.

[ornate hamlet]

I never bothered watching it besides stray episodes on TV

[potent echo]

Trigger endings

[jovial juniper]

[wind spruce]

Psykers best horde clear melee is actually the chain sword, weirdly enough

Too bad it sucks outside of that

[remote shadow]

Finally completed Cliffhanger on the bridge at the end of Vigil Station Oblivium

That took way too damned long I tell ye

[potent echo]

Psyker chainsword is too sus because no atkspeed buffs

Many gaps

[cosmic sigil]

When I run br + surge staff, having a reliable horde clear weapon is honestly the only thing I am missing

[restive ice]

deimos special attack spam

[potent echo]

Isn't illisi the horde mulcher 5000?

[broken carbon]

the true horde mulcher 5000 is the heavy sword 9

for psyker your best horde clear options are probably chain swords

but like i said earlier

the good part of the force swords is how they r pretty good multipurpose

[broken carbon]

.

here and down is what i mean

[buoyant maple]

no, quite a bit slower than actual horde clear top performers

[upper sun]

nah crusher, heavy sword, dclaw all work better

[potent echo]

I mean for psyker

[upper sun]

🤔 actually thammer might also work better

[potent echo]

Dclaw works better until flak arrives

[potent echo]

This can't be true

[upper sun]

UNLIMITED TRASH CLEAVE

[potent echo]

Using it in game illisi definitely clears faster

Swings per seconds counts too okay

[buoyant maple]

yea even for psyker it's not close to chainsword

[upper sun]

🤔 which chainsword?

[buoyant maple]

chainsword kills almost twice as fast

mk4

[buoyant maple]

it really does not

if I didn't start at near-max peril it's even slower

[ornate hamlet]

I never really cared for that

If I can 2 tap im happy

[buoyant maple]

it's more versatile for sure

way better than chainsword vs elite waves

[cosmic sigil]

thand end took my by surprise, but hey, it's Gainax, so not unexpected

[cosmic sigil]

then you use staff / blitz / gun

[brazen warren]

scryer ds4 light spam headshots with some push attacks mixed in every 3-4 strikes works decent on most trash (pox walkers and infested)

[buoyant maple]

Depends on what the situation calls for, I like when all my tools are capable of dealing with majority of enemies

[brazen warren]

after all the tuning my columnus is not as good at melting monsters but it is still pretty good

very ammo efficient most of the game

[cosmic sigil]

recon has replaced ciag in the relationship

[remote shadow]

I'm confused

This is my first time playing Assail Psyker

I'm pretty sure 1176 is a smaller number than 7500

So how come I have Lucky Blow completed already

[buoyant maple]

It’s 7500 critical hits from your whole team

Not just urself, and not “only counting critical hit kills”

[remote shadow]

Yeah but it says to "critically strike 7500 enemies" not "hit enemies with critical strikes 7500 times"

Just a lil bit goofy is all

[buoyant maple]

It’s worded pretty poorly

[cosmic sigil]

i like having specialized and complementary tools

except, most of the time, i only care about having something to deal with a pack of 5 crushers

that's like the thing i fear the most

[buoyant maple]

Wish Psyker’s melee was more than just “hehe uncanny strike”

[cosmic sigil]

telopots uses claw with great success

[buoyant maple]

DC swords are alright

[cosmic sigil]

i almost never use uncanny if i do not invest in venting shriek tbh

[buoyant maple]

Uncanny’s too strong

Way too strong & very unhealthy for the game

[lyric burrow]

🤨

you were already pushing it with the others

[lyric burrow]

tbf i think they can all manage without it

and still do well

just not as overwhelmingly well as they do with it

if you maintain good crit chance DS4 can still kill crushers

deimos probably suffers the most although i need to check its raw damage into crushers

[cosmic sigil]

i'd rather use a knife than a ds4 tbh

[buoyant maple]

It’s usable without but it’s giving up so much damage that basically comes for free

[lyric burrow]

i do agree i wish it wasnt the gap it currently is

its BIS and its not close

and also just unhealthy in general, regardless of limiting options

carapace should probably be an armor type lol

[narrow herald]

"oh hey a crusher, time to poke it" UWU

[lyric burrow]

i get if we want to have 8 crushers show up at once then we cant 20 hit them to kill them but man

[buoyant maple]

I hope they tweak weapon ADM in itemization update to be higher across the board

And nerf uncanny

[cosmic sigil]

i stopped using uncanny on zealot and vet to go all in in crits and power, i did not miss it once tbh

[broken carbon]

i wish there was a melee crit build with psyker that didn’t rely on SG

[buoyant maple]

Uncanny shouldn’t be even higher than 20% melee-only rending

[lyric burrow]

knife can probably still get good uptime without it

with riposte

[broken carbon]

especially because the DS4 is a great melee to take care of enemies that ur staff can’t

but if ur using staff u really shouldn’t use SG

it’s very counterintuitive

[broken carbon]

with DS

[lyric burrow]

even without it i think you can push around 50%

[buoyant maple]

It’s kind of a niche playstyle ngl
I tried it but really didn’t enjoy how half my damage relied entirely on the enemy trying to hit me first then I hit them back

[lyric burrow]

which given its meant to be a gamble, is p good

[broken carbon]

compared to zealot’s 95%

[lyric burrow]

well yeah zealot crit chance is dumb

i do not think we should be able to reach 95% crit chance lol

[cosmic sigil]

they always try to hit you tho

[broken carbon]

i think around 75% is plenty

[lyric burrow]

ive been doing the same with DS4/knife

Crit rending kinda means i still have it but

[broken carbon]

but being forced into a specific weapon set and build due to wanting melee crits is

bleh

[lyric burrow]

its something

[cosmic sigil]

vet can have stupid crit chance too

[buoyant maple]

Yes but I don’t like having half my damage be dependent on what the enemy does

[lyric burrow]

yeah id say 75% should be the absolute max, although if you can reliably keep it at 75 thats still very strong

[cosmic sigil]

yeah

[broken carbon]

yarp

simple solution

make DD give crit chance

that way you reward SG and DD builds with an even higher crit chance

[cosmic sigil]

because you said that uncanny was problematic so you decided not to use it

it's a choice

[lyric burrow]

i still want melee attack speed somewhere for psyker

i wouldnt mind it replacing base damage in DD but it would have to go up in really small increments

[cosmic sigil]

i wish dd gave that

[broken carbon]

although this kind of change would need NEEED to be after a major nerf to voidstrike

[lyric burrow]

or it would be goofy

[broken carbon]

otherwise surge void would be even worse

[lyric burrow]

i also think psyker needs more nodes so i honestly wouldnt mind it being in a new node eitehr

[broken carbon]

psyker needs both more nodes and less locks

[broken carbon]

like if i run an EP build i have like 5-6 points left over to put into things that just don’t even matter

[lyric burrow]

everytime i finish a build i have at least 3 points i just kinda put into w/e

usually toughness

[broken carbon]

yeah exactly

[buoyant maple]

It’s problematic how much it does

[lyric burrow]

if your trying to not take super strong nodes like PC its even harder to spend them

[cosmic sigil]

i have tried to make sg + warp charges work

i have not found the solution

[lyric burrow]

yeah that does sound odd, or the build ends up working well cause you just take strong weapons

[broken carbon]

PC?

[lyric burrow]

you could probs take like blaze trauma and just SG for melee

[buoyant maple]

Perilous combustion

[lyric burrow]

Perilous combustion

[broken carbon]

ah

PC rework when

[lyric burrow]

one day

[broken carbon]

enemy type determines range and stack count

[lyric burrow]

we will get stuff thats not absurd value on elite kill

[broken carbon]

2 stacks for shotgunenrs and gunners

[lyric burrow]

as if we dont kill 80 a game

[broken carbon]

in a small radius

3 stacks for ragers

4-5 stacks for ogryns

specials 3 stacks too

[lyric burrow]

uncanny soulblaze also plagues it

cause that shit is dumb

and you can abuse it on accident with PC

[broken carbon]

DOTs need some kind of effect against armor

[cosmic sigil]

yeah but i haven't seen a dip in dmg not using it tbh

it's important against, what, crushers mostly?

[lyric burrow]

its already p decent into flak

really just cara which i think is fine

[broken carbon]

make bleed ignore armor and fires degrade armor

[lyric burrow]

as its meant to be a strong armor

esp if its gonna have infinite cleave

[buoyant maple]

It’s most relevant vs crushers but is also buffs ur damage against other armor types well

At worst it’s +25% damage for free

[cosmic sigil]

what i mean is that oustide of crushers and sb abuse, uncanny brings almost nothing on the table that i do not already have using crits

''almost''

[lyric burrow]

crit rending moment

[broken carbon]

for example, with the dueling sword, it lets you one shot mutants, both ragers, 2-3 shot crushers

helps with all ogryns actually

[lyric burrow]

i think DS4 one shots maniac without it actually

iirc

[broken carbon]

with a crit yes

[cosmic sigil]

as long as you stack it

[lyric burrow]

well tbf its not hard to stack

[cosmic sigil]

i like my dmg frontloaded

[broken carbon]

my ds4 needs to either crit or have a few uncanny stacks to one shot a mutant

[broken carbon]

oh and maulers

[cosmic sigil]

i am doing a tanner and saying uncanny is shit

[broken carbon]

who is tanner

and uncanny is overpowered

[potent echo]

I said before I really hate these tests because they don't reflect reality

[cosmic sigil]

a youtuber

[potent echo]

You don't wanna know 💀

[broken carbon]

oh is he one of the tidetubers

darktubers?

tubetiders?

[cosmic sigil]

yeah dark

[buoyant maple]

Even in reality it’s still slower

It’s just more general purpose

Chainsword on Psyker is all eggs in 1 basket

[cosmic sigil]

illisi feels sluggish

[buoyant maple]

Illisi has negative dodge distance that’s prob why

[cosmic sigil]

and activating it breaks the flow imho

[cosmic sigil]

rip infinite dodges

that pretty much ended my relationship with it

[broken carbon]

looked him up, skimming thru his psyker meta build video

“dueling sword is one of the best horde clearing swords for psyker”

he runs precog and rampage

yeah this guy doesn’t know what he’s talking about

[cosmic sigil]

he's good at playing and shit at knowledge

[broken carbon]

1 stam 1 toughness 1 hp curio

weird

[restive ice]

damn tanner tuesday already

[broken carbon]

oh

my god

HE RUNS

all combat ability regen, all stamina regen, and sprint and block effeciency

for curios

what the fuck

?!?!?!?!

[cosmic sigil]

as @plucky flax said once, curios are personal

[broken carbon]

yeah this guy’s build is dogshit

also rampage sucks on the ds4

[cosmic sigil]

but actually his last video is a psyker true duo with dotnl and another guy

and if you mute him, it's interesting to watch

[broken carbon]

is he in this server?

[cosmic sigil]

he left

[broken carbon]

good.

[broken carbon]

were people shitting on him or

[cosmic sigil]

yeah

[broken carbon]

lmfao

[cosmic sigil]

iirc vet chat went quite hard on him

and it was not actual vet chat, which became a source of good knowledge

(with the help of path)

that was angry vet chat

[broken carbon]

path is the goat

[broken carbon]

despair

i remember then

i’m still biased against it

the only chats i really use consistently r psyker and zealot

guys sex joke! sex joke funny! sex = funny!

[cosmic sigil]

you can actually discuss in psyker chat

zealot it's...

[broken carbon]

u can in zealot chat too

[broken carbon]

it’s off topic but if someone has a genuine question it usually will get answered

[cosmic sigil]

that is true

[broken carbon]

cole is one of the main ones that answer

[cosmic sigil]

but wait for SM2...

[broken carbon]

josho does when he’s around

[cosmic sigil]

https://tenor.com/view/sad-pepe-gif-24668210

i am too...

[broken carbon]

troo

[cosmic sigil]

but mostly on taxes and bolter

[broken carbon]

“if you take all block efficiency you can take a crusher overhead”

i’m fairly certain that’s a lie actually

[cosmic sigil]

with kd, could you?

[broken carbon]

yeah he’s talking about with KD

[cosmic sigil]

or do you need a stam curio?

[broken carbon]

and i don’t think you can block crusher overheads at all

i’d need to test it

which i’ll do in just a second

[cosmic sigil]

i remember doing that tho

[broken carbon]

but i’m pretty sure crusher and mauler overheads entirely ignore blocks

[lethal lagoon]

use deez nuts

[cosmic sigil]

oh wait, i lost my toughness

[lethal lagoon]

[buoyant maple]

it's unblockable

[broken carbon]

hai path

[broken carbon]

bazinga

[buoyant maple]

I'm trying to optimize BM wukong to run on my pc lol

[lethal lagoon]

Can I see your registered Bazgina card? I'm pretty sure it was revoked.

[buoyant maple]

[buoyant maple]

Unblockable

[broken carbon]

u said that yes

[lethal lagoon]

That's the contract you sign when you play Bazingle

[broken carbon]

https://tenor.com/view/elora-elora-rose-tik-tok-le-epic-bazinga-bottom-test-gif-15923794

this is bad

[lethal lagoon]

If you don't realize you've been bazonked, you lose bazinga privleges.

[upper galleon]

knife is one of the best horde clear in the game

especially if you got lacerate

[cosmic sigil]

lacerate flesh tearer goes hard

🏃‍♂️

[broken carbon]

hi bandit

[broken carbon]

also wrong

[buoyant maple]

It’s hard to talk like an idiot in vet chat without getting called out for bs

[broken carbon]

best horde clear in the game is the tigris evis

wait what do u mean there’s a damage cap…

[cosmic sigil]

not on mk2

best horde clear is probably crit chainsword if your horde has no elites mixed in

[brazen rampart]

Me omw to prove this wrong:

[cosmic sigil]

vet chat has no prejudices against taxes, compared to zealot chat lol

[brazen rampart]

[cosmic sigil]

i remember when Lazorr was threatening to leave a lobby if he saw someone with a knife lmao

[potent echo]

Ds4 actually clears decent with DD though not the worst

But giving up uncanny makes no sense

[jovial juniper]

Fuck DS4, DS2 is where is at

They just need to link the PA into H2

[brazen warren]

what is your standard ds4 blessing combo?

[jovial juniper]

Uncanny Riposte

[brazen warren]

do you find the extra crit hits more breakpoints?

[broken carbon]

uncanny precog

i prefer precog, both can work well but i think getting more consistent guarenteed damage is nicer opposed to crit chance, which is a hit or mis

[mental rock]

well have you considered that precog is also a hit or miss, because it needs to be a weakpoint hit

[brazen warren]

what counts as a successful dodge

[mental rock]

and most good players hover around 50% weakpoint hits

and riposte also lasts more than twice as long

[broken carbon]

weakspot hit rate is articially low imo, due to hordes

weakspot rate against elites

is much higher

[mental rock]

not really, still around 50

for some weapons the horde clear combo makes weakspots really easy to hit, like illisi

there are many players that have a higher horde weakspot than elites

[brazen warren]

how close to a 2 or 1 shot does the DS 4 get with both rolling on crushers?

assuming its a 2 shot

[near wyvern]

DS4 can easily reach two shot on a crusher with two heavies. You gotta get that uncanny stacked for that and only some additional buffs nothing crazy.

[upper galleon]

No it needs to be a weakspot and or a crit

[mental rock]

yeah w.e

[upper galleon]

2 shotting is very possible, 1 shotting requires a massive investment for a chance to pull it off

Precog is just really good for dodge then stab because of the high finesse of the weapon and psyker’s natural crit synergy

Shred and riposte are also great tho

[brazen warren]

hmm

will have to test the difference in damage between a crit and a regular hit on my DS roll to figure it out

[austere crest]

im gonna try a fun combo

i havent messed with voidstrike in many a moon

i'm gonna break it

[broken carbon]

just finished a match, elite weakspot was 75%

horde was 60

its not like hitting weak spots is random

it’s a skill based, and enemy based, stat

[mental rock]

cool story, doesnt change change my point

[broken carbon]

if you can reliably hit heads, which most people with 300-400 hours should be able to do

[broken carbon]

your point is that what, significantly increasing weakspot damage is not as good as a hit or miss 20% crit chance?

i’m not saying riposte is bad, it’s an equal talent

precog is also strong

[mental rock]

literally all I said is that precog is a hit or miss, just like riposte. I never stated any opinion on which was better

[austere crest]

i have a lot of learning to do.

[strong gulch]

You got this.

[wind spruce]

https://outplayed.tv/media/eQO85k

Aim. Shoot. Win.

[austere crest]

i actually find the weakspot damage perk to be pretty baller depending on build

ended up swapping for crit damage since i had a really good crit rate

but you do tend to look at the head and click

so its a damage buff always on hand, in something really common to hit

[wind spruce]

I'm happy to make that point

Precognition isn't just worse than riposte, it's kinda garbage

[austere crest]

Riposte is peak

[mossy oyster]

https://tenor.com/view/oppenheimer-oppenheimer-movie-walk-walking-gif-3311223081607307352

well bowled sibling

🎳

[wind spruce]

Basically has permanent uptime if you're dealing with loads of specials and move teching with melee out

[austere crest]

if you run riposte then yeh keep focus on crit > weakspot

[potent echo]

Crit works anywhere

Weakspot only works on weakspot

[austere crest]

i crit constantly with riposte/high finesse/+5 crit chance on knife

[potent echo]

Ez conclusion

[austere crest]

its so nasty

i like weakspot better on ranged weapon

[wind spruce]

Precognition isn't even in the conversation with a 2s duration

[austere crest]

lol

what is it

[wind spruce]

It's just bad

[austere crest]

i gotta look

[wind spruce]

It's 2s

[potent echo]

I only see precog as a boss dps blessing

So duration is kinda whatever

Precog in horde melee nah

[wind spruce]

Should be like 50%

[austere crest]

holy shit i dont have precog on a single weapon after a year and a half

[strong gulch]

2s after dodge and have to weakspot

[austere crest]

i probably never tried it just collected it and figured it wasnt good

[wind spruce]

HOW

[austere crest]

lmfao

[potent echo]

How many hours

[austere crest]

theres a lot of stuff in darktide i have never done

but i know the staves extremely well

[strong gulch]

Probably just putting a different perk over it lol

[wind spruce]

Try flurry & surge on your Void, skuds

It straight fucks

[potent echo]

Flurry surge is nice

[austere crest]

i pretty much have ocd

[strong gulch]

I vouch for flurry surge.

[potent echo]

Just trade in slightly worse crusher performance but it's worth it imo

[mossy oyster]

flurry / surge on Void with a crit = hollow purple

[wind spruce]

Autism, ADHD and OCD.

[potent echo]

3000 lmao

There's no way

[austere crest]

i secondary in a way that is liek super in synce with movement mechanics

dropping flurry for runngun and anim cancelling secondary changed my world

it works on trauma secondary and surge

[restive ice]

plop

[strong gulch]

lmb mains

[austere crest]

yeh, most hours are spent like grinding a single weapon modifier layout

[wind spruce]

Can you secondary while sprinting somehow, or are you sliding

[austere crest]

so you know how you press 1 and 2 for weap change

i mapped that to scroll up scroll down

so when i'm on surge i kind of whip the charge like a spider man sling and thing fling it back (flicking wheel forward and back- surge to melee to surge)

I charge while I'm sliding

[potent echo]

What's the purpose of that?

Swapping

[buoyant maple]

Based

[wind spruce]

Animation cancelling the surge

[austere crest]

and quell for a split second while engaging a slide

[potent echo]

Oh

Yea but how does run and gun help this 🤔

[austere crest]

so i tried to sync the modifiers of my stave to the timing of my melee's movement

[wind spruce]

I'm assuming you use a 1-3-1 grip, I assume?

[austere crest]

so i have different identical staves with diff modifiers for diff builds

whats that

[wind spruce]

One finger on each of lmb, mmb and rmb

[potent echo]

I just tap 12 on my keyboard quick

[wind spruce]

Rather than the traditional one finger on each of lmb and rmb grip

[potent echo]

I can't use a mouse that way

[wind spruce]

Neither can i

[potent echo]

Whomst

[wind spruce]

But if I was starting out using a mouse now i would

[wind spruce]

As in the charge time? What other modifier would apply

[strong gulch]

I don't adapt well to new layouts, so I probably can't do 1 3 1 grip; but I can try!

[austere crest]

https://youtu.be/USdE0SpzpPQ?si=aXcSWB_puYmtirCc&t=172 this clip has a good show (timestamped) of how the timing lays out. This staff has a faster quell than charge than im used to and it changed my gameplay to lean slightly more primary in heat, making quell the dump stat i can slide around alot more and clear a room really fast

[wind spruce]

I would be a potato for months if I tried to swap over

[potent echo]

I downloaded the multi keybind mod to bind tag to middle mouse or v

So I can play vet tag

[austere crest]

i have two fingers on mouse top, one on lmb one on rmb, lmb finger moves to middle for cancel

[strong gulch]

I tried changing my ability button and ..... it was bad.

[austere crest]

so it's like a triangle of movement that feels like spiderman

[potent echo]

F is F

Not G, not tab

[austere crest]

but the thing with the mapping of the mouse is its not NEXT WEAPON mapped, its specifically primary and secondary

because if you want to do it the fun way you dont want to worry about rolling past the weapon u want, you just scroll up or down, guaranteed

[strong gulch]

f is pickup / interact

[restive ice]

i did that until i fucked up my scroll wheel

[potent echo]

Ugh

[austere crest]

damn

if you can do it with brainburst and melee it works really good too for animation cancel

you can bb alot faster

[potent echo]

Didnt they fix this recently

[austere crest]

not that i noticed but im not super aggressive with it

[potent echo]

Like the chaining is much faster now

Without swapping

[austere crest]

since im not confident i dont go for it alot

[strong gulch]

middle mouse is ability and scroll down is weild blitz/ throw zealot knife

[potent echo]

What's E

[austere crest]

oh no diff anim cancel

[strong gulch]

tag

[wind spruce]

Yeah, I figured. I might actually try that. I already use MMB for quelling

[strong gulch]

skudie trying to make sense with key binds and I'm doing potato things

[wind spruce]

I did a remap awhile ago where I swapped dodge to shift and slide space bar when slide was previously on mousebutton 8 or something (I have a razer naga)

[wind spruce]

Had to run regular damnation, the horror

[strong gulch]

Ok. 1 3 1 is difficult with compressrion gloves

[austere crest]

its quickswap g as soon as the pop starts

and just already be charging the next one

[wind spruce]

It used to be so impactful with BB

Slightly less now

[austere crest]

but the tricky part is the pop sound, because since it may be speeding up or slowing down, you can pre-cancel and waste a charge on nothing

yeah its too risky still for me

primary fire is breaking my hands

[wind spruce]

When the delay was bigger you could give yourself more forgiveness, but if you do that now you don't even save any time

[austere crest]

so im trying to figure out a new playstyle