psyker-class

[south gull]

idc

neither does slaughterer 4

this shit is worse than farming cycler 4

[jovial juniper]

Not on the staff lmao

Just another tag on your sword book though
Not a lot of value

[south gull]

Ive been trying to complete my trauma staff for 2 years

[unreal wasp]

Best thing about blaze shriek melee psyker is tanking an assassination target, angling it so that the encroaching horde is behind him, and just pressing F to kill the entire horde while still focusing on the boss

[narrow herald]

should I keep?

[strong gulch]

ye

[restive ice]

missing 4 finesse
ultra brick
scrap for dockets

[narrow herald]

FUCK

😠

what r the bets perks again for dualing?

[strong gulch]

If you melee bosses, it's maniac and unyielding.

iirc, I am close to a bp on bulwarks, but I need to check if I have unyeilding on it or not

[lethal lagoon]

I melee largely mutants, crushers, and maulers, so yeah

I don't like d4 on bosses

[strong gulch]

Me neither.

[narrow herald]

but i want to poke them 😔

[lethal lagoon]

Use a dagger and block atk then

[restive ice]

then who cares what other people like

poke them

[narrow herald]

so ur saying cara is better than unyielding?

[narrow herald]

ima poke u

[lethal lagoon]

I mean it doesnt make sense to be slightly better at something everyone else can do better than you

[restive ice]

oh really now

[lethal lagoon]

I'd rather be better at things psykers are good at.

[narrow herald]

like screaming at people?

[lethal lagoon]

No vets have us on that one

[narrow herald]

CCing?

[restive ice]

https://tenor.com/view/poke-boop-gif-23650611

[lethal lagoon]

No, support psykers aren't real

Just confused main character syndrome babies

[narrow herald]

no u c im ccing them by killing them

perma cc

[lethal lagoon]

Yeah, can't beat psyker horde clear

[narrow herald]

ok so Illisi on every build, got it

[lethal lagoon]

No that's the opposite.

Or is it the same

[narrow herald]

blaze Illisi and purge staff

best build dont @ me

[lethal lagoon]

Blaze Illisi isn't a thing, they put blazing spirit on there to make fun of us.

[narrow herald]

u cant make me!

[lethal lagoon]

I don't need to.

Reality will.

[strong gulch]

I want blazing spirit illisi to be good or at least FEEL really good to use. It's so poop

Other than maniac, second perk is up to you.

My second perk is flak because, well that's what hadron gave me but also I can be sloppy with my stabs.

[potent echo]

Blazing illisi with wildfire uohh

I'm pretty sure wildfire activates even on kill so you get 1 soulblaze on 4 enemies woww

[ornate hamlet]

https://tenor.com/view/true-successfully-deployed-get-this-man-a-true-true-morgan-freeman-true-morgan-freeman-gif-17551062976351461149

[strong gulch]

Even with SG... bad. 😭

I could just yell at the horde.

[restive ice]

instead you can yell slurs at your temmates

[tired estuary]

Yell at yourself

[delicate dove]

||karkers||

[near wyvern]

Wildfire on kill yes, blazing spirit no. Blazing spirit requires you to crit an enemy and them to survive it since the effect is applied after the damage. Which makes it very bad on force swords as they tend to kill on crits.

[potent echo]

i know PC works with wildfire

if you kill an elite with PC and wildfire you spread extra soulblaze

i assume it should be the same with fs lol

[autumn smelt]

i feel like the psykers need to see this one too

[terse saffron]

why hadron

[ashen schooner]

whatever it takes to do a pennace

[weary crane]

[mossy oyster]

I like my trauma currently but i kinda wanna replace rending

should I just blaze it up siblings

could go flurry -> nexus T4, and blazing T3

(I do like this trauma as a "support" weapon though, CC spam and brittleness)

[strong gulch]

You can, but part of what make blaze trauma so strong is the blast radius.

You can change to get a feel for it. If you like it, you can try rolling for a max blast radius trauma.

[mossy oyster]

I have a trauma right below it but the perks are poop

[strong gulch]

Perks on both aren't great for blaze trauma tbh. Either way, pick one and go for it.

You can always roll for another or wait for crafting update to get the combos you want.

[strong gulch]

I'd still choose this one to experiment with.

[mossy oyster]

yea bigger blast

i'll give it a shot on the bigger blast radius trauma

https://tenor.com/view/demoman-tf2-demoman-tf2-explosion-boom-gif-24508153

[terse saffron]

[near wyvern]

You can assume what you want but I have tested the stuff and it's all listed in Atheneum

Wildfire has nothing to do with PC and Blazing Spirit. Wildfire is simply a check on death, checking if the target has Soulblaze stacks when it dies or not.

PC creates new stacks on surrounding units on death. Wildfire spreads existing stacks on death to surrounding units.

Blazing Spirit is an on hit effect that applies after the damage is dealt and can only trigger on units that are alive. If the hit kills the unit, no Blazing Spirit proc, which also means no Wildfire proc unless you applied more than 1 Soulblaze stack on the target from another source. If Blazing Spirit applied before the damage it would be a whole different story.

[azure bridge]

Holy crap that makes wildfire horrible

[weary crane]

It's good for the warp charge from soulblaze talent but that's it

[rigid sky]

It's not terrible for blaze trauma tbh. Dogshit for force sword blazing spirit though.

[radiant frigate]

wildfire is horrible because it will at most spread 4 stacks evenly around

[rigid sky]

Very much a luxury point even when it is usable though

[radiant frigate]

so if 4 things are nearby, each get one stack

and 1 stack does nothing

[rigid sky]

At best it will be your 30th strongest talent choice

[radiant frigate]

if it worked like PC it would be Pretty Good Actually if not insane

[nocturne dust]

How bad is wildfire for purge?

[plucky flax]

It's not

[plucky flax]

It's good

[strong thicket]

How good is crit on trauma?

No blazing memes. Purely dmg wise

[patent jacinth]

Looks like 1.3x damage

Primary fire is way higher

[strong thicket]

I guess it's aight

Would rather keep rocking rending tho

[azure bridge]

just the fact that the rending trauma set up has faster casting speed makes me prefer it over blazing

[strong thicket]

I assume sustained fire doesn't work on secondary charge?

[potent echo]

Yea but with wildfire and you kill an elite with PC you get 4 stacks spread instead of 3

Or rather, 3 from PC, and and additional 3 soulblazes spreading around from wildfire

Notice with PC any elite/special you kill will be on fire

[vernal temple]

ugh-huh-huh-huh Hey Beavis! ugh-huh-huh Look, it says "Shaft". ugh-huh-huh-huh-huh

[upper sun]

looking up is always a mistake 😭

[vernal temple]

[molten nacelle]

is it just me or is the Cliffhanger penance f...... impossible ?

[upper sun]

you just gotta find the right spot

vigil station end event is a good one magistrati train before the drop is also good

[molten nacelle]

vigil station is the one im trying to use but my teammates never let me even after asking .....

[upper sun]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SiZp4X8YQww

try this one then

[molten nacelle]

i have been trying for over a weak now

[upper sun]

yeah you gotta get lucky with the team if you need their help

[queen fog]

Yea it’s pretty difficult to get a decent horde going if ur team’s slaughtering them a plenty

Then finding a good ledge is another story

Got lucky in vigil on a hi-intensity, fuck ton of groaners funneling through the final part of the mission wasnt gettin touched so I shrieked off a majority of them

Force pushed the rest with my sword

[molten nacelle]

i will try the smite thing

[upper sun]

i legit have no idea how i got its just one of those penances you either struggle with or get randomly

like long bomb for vet

[molten nacelle]

yeah i know what you mean

[queen fog]

Mfw I accidentally get “buying time” because I didn’t have a clear shot on the sniper on my preacher

[remote shadow]

Is Quell Speed the dump stat on staves

[queen fog]

(I’m acting like I did it on purpose)

[molten nacelle]

and after i have cliffhanger there is still the monstrosity penance waiting.....

[queen fog]

That one I haven’t gotten either cuz it got the orange skull of doom, but it seems pretty lax

[upper sun]

nah warp resistance is a lot less impactful than youd think

you cant really notice the difference between 60-80 on most staves

[queen fog]

Snag urself double walls with BB and behold you are now a brain bursting machine gun

[upper sun]

but purge has damage as a dump and void has blast radius

[queen fog]

EP is optional cuz it can help with getting the burst of damage out without needin to edge your peril percent

Another optional thing is having a shield Ogryn grabbing the monster’s attention so u can easily deal with any other annoyance

Should they spawn in

[wise pawn]

nexus+surge or nexus+warp flurry for voidstrike?

[molten nacelle]

my guy thanks i finally f...... did it

[plucky flax]

Nexus surge or flurry surge

[supple thistle]

Darn

I made perfext trauma staff build

Only thing killing me now is myself

Cause I dont pay attention to venting shriek cd

[frail fractal]

Anyone know a good psyker skill tree

For assail preferably unless another blitz is better

[upper sun]

what ranged/melee do you use?

[frail fractal]

Currently? Duelling sword and void strike

I haven’t yet gotten the right blessing

Blessings for staff I mean

[upper sun]

i would do something like this

but imo as long as you have the stuff in the red you can change anything else

[frail fractal]

Why scriers gaze?

I haven’t really used it , but I haven’t known it be very good

[idle plover]

Its gunpsyker ability

It is strong

Its benefits also work on assail shards

[frail fractal]

Oh ok , so what weapons should I use with it?

And how should I play it

[idle plover]

Basically play like with any other class while you have it on.

Avoid psyker blitz usage and hits heads as you get passive increase to damage and couple other things longer you stay in it

[frail fractal]

Tbh I’ve played a decent amount of the game and got level 30 but what would that entail as I may not do it already

[idle plover]

Or alternatively toss assail shards and vent actively if you want to use it with blitz

I find the gun psykering easier

Just autogun or pistol of choice with weapon with good finesse damage like mk4 duelling sword

[frail fractal]

Yeah I use duelling sword , should I use a gun now?

I use a staff but I haven’t got good blessings yet

[idle plover]

It makes it less micro intensive

Ad you dont need to worry about getting yourself over the peril meter

But some maniacs use it with staff

I prefer just picking laspistol or columnus autogun

[frail fractal]

I might be one of those maniacs lol 😂

I like using staff

[idle plover]

Also accatran works wonders with it

[frail fractal]

What’s that?

[idle plover]

The bullpup las rifle

[frail fractal]

Oh alright

I could definitely use that Lasgun

[idle plover]

With scries passive crit chance boost, other psyker crit increases and infernus blessing, you start to melt hordes and can quite effectively kill specials

[frail fractal]

Should I make one of those and upgrade it?

[idle plover]

You mean the weapon?

[frail fractal]

I’ll happily use a lasgun and that build

Yeah

[idle plover]

You can altho with the games crafting for now being bit of a roulette still, mileage may wary

There are 3 diffirent patterns to accatran also so id suggest trying them in test range before really going on crafting spree

[frail fractal]

Patterns as in recoil?

[idle plover]

Diffirent damage and rate of fires

[frail fractal]

Oh ok

[idle plover]

Mk2 is bit of middle ground, mk7(?) Has highest damage and lowest rate of fire and mk6d has massive clip and rate of fire

[frail fractal]

I currently got a mk 6d and a mk2

That I can test as I already got

I prefer a lower rate of fire

Mk2 and lower rate

[idle plover]

Yeah it is easier to avoid blowing all ammo in one go with it

[frail fractal]

😂

[idle plover]

Mk6d is very much a woodchipper

[frail fractal]

As it seems lol

[idle plover]

But with right blessings and boosts it still kills elites and specials beside crushers as well

[frail fractal]

What versions have slower rate of fire than mk2

I want to try some other ones to see what’s my ideal

[idle plover]

Mk7 i think if it was called that

[frail fractal]

Alright I’ll go try

[ornate abyss]

This works for voidstrike/deimos/dueling sword?

[frail fractal]

Well those are the best psyker weapons no?

[ornate abyss]

Sounded like it was gun specified, the talent tree

but anything works?

I wanna learn how to use assail

[frail fractal]

There’s a way to play assail specifically !?

I’ve been only using assail and a little lightning with my psyker

[frail fractal]

My favourite is the mk2 I think

Do you reckon I should buy one and upgrade it

[ornate abyss]

Probably not, I just want a nice build to learn it with

[frail fractal]

Oh ok

Well ive got a build if you want one

I found it here like a while ago

It’s pretty good to my knowledge

Where’s the talent tree builder place or should I just send a picture?

[ornate abyss]

do what ya want

[upper sun]

ye dirsupt destiny is great for voidstrike

gives a lot of weakspot damage

[ornate abyss]

Good then I can do that penance also

but it looks difficult to do

[upper sun]

you can change it if you dont want to use it

the stuff in the red is the important stuff

[frail fractal]

I don’t mind what I use

I just wanted a cool and easy build for me

Aslong as it’s a good build I’m not too bothered

What I actually want to “use” is just something good

[wary needle]

what are good traits for the mk4 duelling sword?

because I have this rn, and I just got precog IV. Worth replacing rampage with it?

[vernal agate]

Hellllooooo everyone! After using all the staffs, I think it’s high time I 1) started with gun psyker and 2) stopped using the same duelling sword on all my builds because I can’t fkin roll slaughterer 4 on my force swords and it’s been MONTHS

Sooooooo any recommendations for gun psyker and melee weapons that aren’t the knives?😁

[idle plover]

mk4 duelling sword

kek

[quick python]

Catachan 7

[idle plover]

and catachan 4 also

[wary needle]

illisi

[vernal agate]

The devils claw swords?

[quick python]

Yes

[vernal agate]

I like em on my zealot, guess I could give em a shot on my psyker 🤣

Parries are super satisfying

Any like, “general purpose” guns for gun psyker yall recommend?

[idle plover]

columnus autogun

accatran lasrifles and pistol too

[vernal agate]

Also, is there some weird gameslantern build going around where a psyker takes bubble shield, heavy laspistol and smite lmao

I’ve been seeing it more often nowadays and it’s a little weird because like

That build is kinda ass

[idle plover]

ive neen doing some autopistol shenanigans too

[vernal agate]

Oooh Okok maybe I’ll keep a look out for the columnus

[idle plover]

its like in top 3 firearms

[mellow dock]

This any good?

[fathom totem]

Groaners, pox could have been something else. Other then that good staff.

[zinc phoenix]

They’re pretty fun on psyker tbh

But be careful because the consequences of fucking up a parry are massively higher 😂

[unreal tapir]

did disrupt destiny ever get buffed? i remember it was cool but a nightmare to use keeping stacks up over just buffing warpcharges

[radiant frigate]

yes and no

the stacks now fall off one at a time

[unreal tapir]

does that even match up to warpcharge tree? seems like a big hassle for a very minor damage buff

[radiant frigate]

"very minor"

[unreal tapir]

well i guess its also cd

[radiant frigate]

lol, lmao

[unreal tapir]

i didnt remember it being weakspot too, maybe ill try the new disrupt destiny

[radiant frigate]

1. the nodes leading up to DD are way better
2. it is a huge damage buff on weakspot/crit hits

[unreal tapir]

okay ty ill try it

[thin finch]

whack Axe

[jovial juniper]

Not a single mention of chainsword smh my head

The Mk4 specifically

[strong gulch]

If you have uncanny strikes, put than on your sword.

[vernal temple]

I have never had something like this happen. 3 zealots and me in a shock troop gauntlet auric mission. I had to clutch twice.

somehow a frail little psyker survived while 1 knife and 2 eviscerator zealots didn't

mind you this is auric heresy and we were all above level 150

[lethal lagoon]

"auric heresy"

I feel like you have your answer

[vernal temple]

I didn't think that the "heresy skill drop" is on Auric levels as well.

[lethal lagoon]

I imagine it's even worse.

I personally don't know what auric heresy is for.

I guess the auric penances? But like why not collect gold and plasteel in the meantime?

It's probably a massive skill drop, maybe even worse than regular t4

[vernal temple]

I'm more of a casual player so I don't really enjoy the sweatty intensity of auric dam or maesltroms, normally I play on heresy/damnation normal and heresy auric.

[lethal lagoon]

But I think we know why the 3 zealots play auric heresy

[vernal temple]

I'm absolutely trash with zealot, so I don't even go to Auric levels with it.

I do with psyker and ogryn

[lethal lagoon]

Zealots running to the first net they can find ^

(I never get netted on zealot )

[vernal temple]

I hated so much that when I once got jumped by a dog I had to spam the "follow me" for any of those fools to actually come and save my ass, even though they were right there

[strong gulch]

Speaking of squirrely zoomie melee, there's a sky raisin flying around and the cats are locked in.

A sky raisin is a housefly.

[jovial juniper]

The clarification is appreciated

[strong gulch]

I sometimes forget not to use words that only 5 other people know about.

[quartz barn]

i like how most people run towards you and push instead of just shooting the dog

[vernal temple]

oh god, yes. that's so incredibly stupid

[spice wasp]

looking for a similar build - just super offensive most psychs are running dome and smite CC

dont wanna double up

[lethal lagoon]

I like when people use a bad ranged weapon to tickle the dog until he laughs at the non-damage long enough to get off me.

[lethal lagoon]

A yes, the "support build" that doesn't actually support anyone and does 0 damage so your team is basically running 3 man.

[spice wasp]

correct.

[strong gulch]

Gun or staff?

[lethal lagoon]

I dunno man that's super general.

You can start with an aggressive surge staff build.

Just spam RMB and shriek.

columnubs mk5 assail SG is another hyper aggresive one

[spice wasp]

It's a class I've played mostly in the past , voidstrike bowling ball down the map - gun colum feels okay, but just okay

[strong gulch]

Blaze trauma is a lot of CC but it's also quite aggressive.

[vernal temple]

how about surge staff and brain burst with EP? That's fun

[spice wasp]

used shriek and brain

I'll rephrase. Most of the auric maels involve mass mutants and unyielding enemies. What do you recommend to delete these types of enemies quickly

Maniacs**

[vernal temple]

I delete rager hordes by popping shriek then brainbursting them faster than they can understand what's happening

As long as I have at least one charge of EP

[storm fern]

Hey folks, could somebody give me a hand with Malleus Monstronum?

I have no friends 🥲

[upper sun]

anyone here named lizz

[upper sun]

sure

im kinda drunk rn

and in game

but i can try

[storm fern]

Cheers, are you on Steam?

[upper sun]

ue

ye

you can use my fatshark code

its easier

[lethal lagoon]

ooo awkward

[upper sun]

ignore atlas hes too old to even know what snapchat is

[lethal lagoon]

"Can I have your number?"
"Oh umm... here's my email"

[lethal lagoon]

I am a young spry man

[fallow dock]

Rizzler alert 🚨🚨🚨

[lethal lagoon]

Skibidi gyatt, she honk on my donk

[fallow dock]

Kai cenat rizzing baby gronk only in Ohio skibidi toilet fanum tax

[stiff falcon]

Please

Delete your psyker

[lethal lagoon]

[jovial juniper]

[brazen rampart]

(He is 32 years old)

[stiff falcon]

More like 52

[brazen rampart]

Nah, anyone who is 10 years older than me is automatically old.

This number increases as I age, of course.

I can never be old.

[upper sun]

gg

@storm fern you would have gotten 50% of the plasteel if you killed urself

[half plover]

god forbid people que up and play together

[lethal lagoon]

Did you miss my joke or was my joke bad

[half plover]

it was awful

[vernal temple]

Man, I've never heard this line from a psyker getting picked up - "I'm not a sack of... whatever revolting food you eat!"

[lethal lagoon]

"Let's add each other on steam"
"Oh ummm, here's my fatshark friend code"

I thought that was funny

[upper sun]

you just see ur cringy self in every interaction

irl i am drunk and i wont remember any of this tromorrow

[half plover]

lol

[upper sun]

ouzo

[lethal lagoon]

I unironically got the email line a few years ago. The worst part is I wasn't hitting on her, I was geniunely trying to network.

[upper sun]

woman PLEASE give me a job
"i have a boyfriend :33"

[half plover]

teehee

[wary needle]

WE'RE DONE

YAAAH

[vernal temple]

good job, pal

[lethal lagoon]

nice accomplishment, friend

[opal gyro]

I need a build for melee psyker, not sure where to begin

[mossy oyster]

https://tenor.com/view/star-wars-emperor-palpatine-fly-gif-17095684

thoughts siblings

[upper sun]

thats actually pretty good

you can even use it as is

[mossy oyster]

ok siblings

yea I can

but we know I want more

what are we thinking

[upper sun]

rampage is not bad

[mossy oyster]

T4 rampage would be cool but I have T4 precog

[upper sun]

its kinda up to you

[mossy oyster]

and I can replace maniacs with 25% to whatever else

[upper sun]

carapace for weakspot

[mossy oyster]

yep yep

[upper sun]

t3 maniac is fine

rampage is fine

hell ill get shit for this but weakspot on ds4 is also kinda fine

[mossy oyster]

charged attack into brain

[upper sun]

it has such a big gap for weakspot and non weak spot damage that it turns out good damage

[upper sun]

eh thats not the issue with weakspot its just calculated badly in game

if it wasnt it would be very good

[mossy oyster]

no im saying DS4 charge attack

is like

the easiest thing ever to hit

right into the brain

[upper sun]

ye

[strong gulch]

Some folks like rampage for better horde clear and having more power for tougher enemies.

I still recommend shred or riposte over tho. DS doesn't have a ton of cleave (even after the buff); but more importantly, if you don't have chaff to keep rampage up, that blessing is doing nothing.

Choosing between riposte and shred is more of personal preference and play style.

[upper sun]

its easier than deimos for some reason

even tho theyre the same single target hit

idk why

i saw that

seek help

[mossy oyster]

got no T4 riposte but got T4 precognition

thinkin I wanna run precog uncanny

[lethal lagoon]

Pick a melee weapon, I'd imagine.

[mossy oyster]

unless the DS has innately high crit and I should just boost that with a shred

[lethal lagoon]

Dagger and Dueling sword mk4 are good choices.

Deimos is a decent option too.

[upper sun]

shred kinda fades away too quickly

[lethal lagoon]

Illy, I dunno about melee only on illy.

[upper sun]

but otherwise it also helps with clear

anyone know if ds4 crits have extra cleave?

[lethal lagoon]

Scrier's gaze is the obvious choice, along with PC for horde clear.

From there do whatever you want.

[jovial juniper]

Ds have 4.5 cleave on lights

[lethal lagoon]

Smite is nice to close the distance but then it's maybe not "melee".

[strong gulch]

DD is your keystone pick. Choosing SG or creeping flames ability is up to you. Assail is also good with melee because it releases so quickly and can easily rebuild toughness with soulstealer.

[upper sun]

really?

i thought it was 3

[mossy oyster]

more than heavy eviscerator...

https://tenor.com/view/blissful-malevonence-gif-10192619856801101589

wizard power

[upper sun]

how do make weapons crit on breakpoint calculator 😭

[jovial juniper]

On the heavies of mk5

[jovial juniper]

Select a target on show/hide breeds and check the adm ?

[jovial juniper]

Depends

[restive ice]

did bro just self brick

[strong gulch]

Precog is ok, but the active widow is short and really prefers DD.

[lethal lagoon]

Oh no.

Melee weakspot damage is really bad

[mossy oyster]

oh yea true im not running DD

[lethal lagoon]

20% manics was BiS(of course 25% was better).

[mossy oyster]

yea lemme swap precog

[strong gulch]

Oh no, what happened to maniac

[jovial juniper]

With the exception of the light strikedown on the Mk5 of course

[lethal lagoon]

[upper sun]

its not that bad

you can live with it

[lethal lagoon]

"You" as in "me" is a no go captain.

How drunk are you?

[upper sun]

kinda

[strong gulch]

But weakspot could have been switch out.

[upper sun]

yeah

[lethal lagoon]

Crafting update will fix it

[upper sun]

but its still ok damage

[lethal lagoon]

[strong gulch]

t3 maniac was there

[upper sun]

check it in meat grinder

[lethal lagoon]

I'll grind your meat.

[upper sun]

put weakspot on a ds4

[lethal lagoon]

And cook you some delicious burgers from the freshly ground cow meat.

[upper sun]

🙏

but still

check it its like 40 extra on a heavy

its ok

[lyric burrow]

Huge breakpoints with that surely

[remote shadow]

Wish me luck, siblings

Is Beloved with me today

Did I win

[upper sun]

just put t4 weakspot and its peak

[brazen rampart]

[restive ice]

swap carapace for sprint efficiency

[remote shadow]

What does that do, out of curiosity? Do I just sprint longer or does it affect my dodges?

Also I've put on the T4 weakspot

[restive ice]

maybe sarcasm was not the right tool for this job

[brazen rampart]

Do not listen to backup for anything unless it's in vet chat.

[remote shadow]

Oh okay so I should put on sprint efficiency

[restive ice]

no

[patent jacinth]

Swap weakspot for flak, unyielding, or maniac

[remote shadow]

I'm excited for whatever Clad's typing

[restive ice]

bro is cooking

[upper sun]

t4 weak
618 on crusher
916 on flak gunner
776 on unarmored gunner
2544 on mutie
control t4 block(why did i put t4 block instead of t1 fuck me)
583 on crusher
865 on flak gunner
732 on unarmored gunner
2401 on mutie
t4 carapace
728 crusher
t4 maniacs
3001 on mutie

so yeah its not awful as a general damage perk but carap maniac is still king

[remote shadow]

I just realized I have Precog IV on my Mk V sword

[ornate hamlet]

Ew

[jovial juniper]

It's the V

[remote shadow]

I'm really liking this MK IV

Gonna scrap my MK V for the Precog IV and upgrade my IV's Precog III

There it is

Played a Heresy match to see how it fared without extra Maniac damage first, btw; I really don't think it needs it

Ragers and Mutants just fell over

Oop, wrong screenshot

There

[restive ice]

fair enough, keep in mind that most people here give advice based on Damnation breakpoints

[upper sun]

https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/t/meatgrinder-damage-number-colors-swapped-around/97733

I love this dude

hes just reporting anything he disagrees with as a bug

[cosmic sigil]

Is he stupid?

[upper sun]

no i agree with him

[restive ice]

is there a lore reason

[lethal lagoon]

Sir, this is a fatshark game.

Literally anything could be a bug.

[upper sun]

everything IS a bug until they fix my box jump

[lethal lagoon]

Queue for a mission and it only takes 6 seconds? That's actually a bug, because in Fatshark's code, they don't allow for queues shorter than 20 seconds to create room for teams to socialize.

[upper sun]

didnt vt2 have a lil spot at the spawn where you can change loadouts?

[lethal lagoon]

[upper sun]

yeah its missing from every mission in darktide report it

[strong gulch]

T4 health is lower than in T5s. But I also believe in perks being for what you hate most.

[restive ice]

i should buy this and put on crit damage and tier 2 shred

[lethal lagoon]

How hard is it to roll a +25% Damage vs Backup perk?

[restive ice]

i never tried

[lethal lagoon]

I find that hard to believe

[restive ice]

i'm so strong that i don't need it

or does that mean i'm too weak

[lethal lagoon]

I was making a "you hate yourself" joke ala referenceing potato's comment.

[restive ice]

i understood your attempt at humor

[lethal lagoon]

[strong gulch]

Potato joke 😭

[half iron]

skibidi toilet

[ornate hamlet]

🗣️
🚽

[lethal lagoon]

Unga boonga, look at that porcelian soft gyatt, why she cooking, who let her cook, I'm shook, fr fr on cap no stack.

[ornate hamlet]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1083351786305359912/1253278103032168538/convert.gif

sigma rizz

[lethal lagoon]

You're a Rizzard Skibarry Toileter

🪄

[half iron]

i don’t 🧠🤯🚫brain burst i 🤫🧏mog the 🪨💥💨crusher

[potent echo]

You're a skibarry harry

[broken carbon]

brain burst is just mogging the moids

[blissful pulsar]

Wish me luck.

🙏

[hollow current]

That's pretty good.

[lethal lagoon]

That's aggresively not great. Like it shoves how not great, but good, it is in your face.

[unreal wasp]

Illisi and Blazing Shriek for horde clear, Bolt pistol and Brain Rupture for single target

[hollow current]

At least it didn't get bricked.

[blissful pulsar]

My old one for comparison, unsure which to use.

[round coyote]

Old one had better luck on perks and blessings but new one has better luck on stat roll so

If new one just change the perks

[blissful pulsar]

So carapace -> flak instead of shred 3 to shred 4?

[lethal lagoon]

Ayo no

Do not

[blissful pulsar]

This is what it looks like now, haven't touched the second swap

[lethal lagoon]

You don't head poke crushers and maulers?

[ornate hamlet]

I would uhh the uhhh shred to riposte cuz dodgy dodge

[blissful pulsar]

yea I need to get reposite. I got some resources so might as well roll for it a bit

[round coyote]

Don’t listen to me I hate playing Psyker I don’t even know why I’m here

[blissful pulsar]

In the interim, trying to break free of EP smite clutch in auric. Been running this, any feedback?

[lethal lagoon]

EP smite only clutches with Shriek

[blissful pulsar]

Crutch* and yes EP smite with shriek

[lethal lagoon]

[blissful pulsar]

Its ez mode and I'm trying to stop relying on it

[round coyote]

Ez pz don’t use it and force yourself to adapt

Sink or swim

Might I suggest the

[lethal lagoon]

Good plan, but switching to purg which is basically just EP smite but fire isn't the play.

[round coyote]

https://tenor.com/view/darktide-40k-psyker-explode-perils-gif-10586129510772702813

[lethal lagoon]

Well a worse verison lmao

[blissful pulsar]

I use purgatas because I have head popping lmao

[lethal lagoon]

Blaze Trauma goes with head popping too

[blissful pulsar]

Don't have a good blaze staff sadly

[lethal lagoon]

[hybrid quarry]

I disagree, EP smite/Shriek are a nice break from the stress of aggressively managing peril on Gaze builds. Also, force lightning.

[blissful pulsar]

Also I never really liked the 'circle on ground' staffs. Hated them in vermintide as well

[lethal lagoon]

It aggressively drains your brain cells

[round coyote]

It is also unequivocally the easiest build in the game to use

[lethal lagoon]

Also who manges peril on Gaze builds

I don't know what that means

Gaze builds are 99% guns

[blissful pulsar]

I wish gaze/warp charges weren't both 'Build and maintain stack' builds

I run EP builds just because the other two feel ass to play in comparison worrying about stacks falling off

[lethal lagoon]

I think vets still win with plasma gun

But it's close

"win" as in easier

[round coyote]

Nah no way you don’t have to reload smite

[lethal lagoon]

Quelling is reloading mate

[blissful pulsar]

Imo vet plasma gun is smooth, but psyker smite just makes the mission a cakewalk. The only time it fails is if its a big open area and there's lots of gunners

[round coyote]

Venting shriek

[lethal lagoon]

You don't just shriek and stop casting, wut?

[hollow current]

maniac and precognition or riposte

[lethal lagoon]

Still have to quell

[round coyote]

I don’t play Psyker

[blissful pulsar]

Shriek + battle meditation usually ends up in the entire batltefield being dead.

[unreal wasp]

Edging peril constantly with Illisi so that you can instantly throw out those 6 Soulblaze stacks when a group of enemies shows up is what I live for

[blissful pulsar]

Even if its all ragers the Perilous combustion chain reaction will end up cleaning an entire room. Ironically EP smite just gets better the worst the situation

[blissful pulsar]

Reaper patrol + rager patrol + crusher patrol + shotgunners? EPsmite wipes it all out. 1 reaper in the distance and 2 gunners on opposite sides? Get fucked.

[unreal wasp]

Big muscle and big brain are my favorite classes

[round coyote]

My favorite thing the sparky does is big boom when work too hard

[lethal lagoon]

Skill issue

Just dodge slide sideways/forward while holding down smite

[round coyote]

Is like throwing man-sized bomb

[blissful pulsar]

I mean both are easy, but as psyker smite is just... so easy

The situations I mentioned are the only time I actually feel I have to play the game and turn my brain back on

Half the time I avoid using smite unless 'Alright we need to win now' so other people can play the game lmao

[round coyote]

Thrilling gameplay

Truly

[blissful pulsar]

I feel like posting shotgunner patrol slaughter is cheating

[lethal lagoon]

That's kinda the fun, it's like you turned on cheats.

You fundementally broke the game

[blissful pulsar]

I feel like everyone can do that

[lethal lagoon]

It get's boring after like 1-2 games in a row

But for that 1 game it's hilarious

[round coyote]

I prefer the explosive kind

[blissful pulsar]

I love it when I can get an EP brain burst chain

Right after dropping shield on elites

It spams so fast one after another

[lethal lagoon]

Double shields giving two buffs

[blissful pulsar]

Yea sucks its so bad compared to dome

[lethal lagoon]

Dome is mid and unneeded

Just kill more stuff

[lethal lagoon]

Everyone can do everything.

But the vast majority use EP smite with bubble, which is why they buffed it

For literally no reason

[blissful pulsar]

Yea EP with shriek is just so good, I cringe a little seeing it comboed with bubble

LIke if your'e going to use smite at least use the good one

[lethal lagoon]

Right but at the same time, would it actually be fun if the avg psyker knew about it?

So it's like they are dumb, but maybe that's for the best.

[blissful pulsar]

lmao I had a game with 3 EP psykers and a gaze psyker

was uh

very easy

[karmic robin]

What psyker weapons have highest crit chance?

[ornate hamlet]

Tactical axes, revolvers, knives, laspistols, uhhhh

[lethal lagoon]

Surge staff

[potent echo]

Scattershot DB

[lethal lagoon]

Recon and Columbus, cause crit string

[tidal scaffold]

i like the consignment yard train mission cause its got a guaranteed boss fight at the end of it

fuck wrong chat

uh me big brain psyker yea

[lethal lagoon]

That take is so luke warm you just got kicked out of the pool because everyone could tell it was you who made it luke warm.

[potent echo]

Every event should be like the new repair finale

[tidal scaffold]

you didnt have to throw shit in my face

asshole

[potent echo]

The best thing ever

[tidal scaffold]

even the first event in the new map makes you have to think more than the usual ones we got so far

[brazen warren]

watching every team I join in on for the new mission get yeeted by barrels or monsters as they cannot kill trash or ragers mixed with shotgunners every time, causing 1-2 deaths within the first 3 minutes.

just go into the back hallways or something, not fight on the cat walk and get destroyed pls

[hollow pine]

why do yall psykers run off into the danger when the tanks are supposed to frontline

i dont get it

yall are legit some of the highest damage dealers

[jovial juniper]

While the characters have their identities, there's not a real "role"

You're going to throw yourself at danger

And you're going to enjoy it

[ornate hamlet]

Psykers can do whatever

Even they can be "tanks"

[rich jolt]

Some psyker builds want to be up close

Like scriers

[lyric burrow]

yeah psyker has quite strong melee and also some good melee traits

fast stam regen, good dodges

etc

generally fast

highest conditional movespeed even

[summer whale]

Would you guys know any good traits to pick up for a blaze force sword?

[lyric burrow]

tons of stagger and CC too so can be p safe

[nocturne dust]

Anyone can be up front and melee as long as they have decent skills

[lyric burrow]

yeah being in melee is generally strong

[nocturne dust]

There's also the fact that plenty of psyker ranged weapons are bad at taking out some enemies (normally carapace and/or unyielding) and psyker's strongest melees happen to be pretty good at that

[left dagger]

for Trauma Staff, is Warp Flurry + Rending Shockwave better than Warp Flurry + Rending/ Blazing Spirit?

[nocturne dust]

I normally take deflector and slaughterer, which isn't optimal but is comfy for me on auric

iirc the optimal for deimos is uncanny instead of deflector

[unreal wasp]

Fighting Assassination target in melee with aggro and rotating around him to put the approaching horde behind him so you can press F and completely ignore it

[nocturne dust]

presses F
bubble appears
🤔

[unreal wasp]

I used to be a bubble boy

But then I got addicted to 6 Soulblaze stacks in a 30ft long, 20ft wide cone that goes through walls

[nocturne dust]

I prefer Purgatus, works just as well but doesn't have a cooldown

[unreal wasp]

Meh, I'm just a melee psyker and I generally never use staves

[nocturne dust]

Aw but staves are the best part of psyker

[unreal wasp]

Me use bolt pistol, brain rupture, illisi, and blazing shriek

[nocturne dust]

I wouldn't be caught dead with a bolt pistol on any class, lol

[restive ice]

me use rock

[nocturne dust]

Begonegryn

[unreal wasp]

Me also use rock 2/3 of the time

Feel like that picture maybe also explains the way I play Psyker

[nocturne dust]

I mean shriek is definitely the psyker meta. I think your only questionable choice is bolt pistol + brain burst

[unreal wasp]

Because I use each for different enemies/different situations usually

[nocturne dust]

I would go for something that can more easily eat normal shooters like assail

[nocturne dust]

well yeah, that is how you play psyker

[unreal wasp]

I usually just Shriek the shooter groups

6 soulblaze stacks will kill them on Damnation

[nocturne dust]

It will, but I find shriek isn't great for on-demand shooter murder

[unreal wasp]

I usually just run at them otherwise

[broken carbon]

currently helping my friend with penances and this is the build hes running

it was originally shield build

but he wants 2 get the smite penance done faster

EP is so cheap that u have like

[lethal lagoon]

What... what is the true aim for?

[broken carbon]

because EP is so cheap

theres nothing else to put it in

[lethal lagoon]

....

[cosmic sigil]

I would go left after kd

[nocturne dust]

puppet master right there

[lethal lagoon]

You can quell faster.

Puppet master is stupid OP

Perfect timing also OP

[cosmic sigil]

toughness too

[broken carbon]

how is puppet master op??

[lethal lagoon]

Quick get the graphic!

[cosmic sigil]

https://tenor.com/view/pepe-pepe-the-frog-clown-clown-pepe-walking-gif-16707164

[broken carbon]

i just dont find coherency useful

sure it increases the range significantly

just

[unreal wasp]

[broken carbon]

coherency doesnt really help much imo

[lethal lagoon]

https://discordapp.com/channels/727074276724965407/1046914150363844779/1264293239197012000

[cosmic sigil]

....

[nocturne dust]

Idk about puppet master being OP, it's just coherency, but it's more useful than true aim for smiteker

[lethal lagoon]

Your gaming skills don't help that much either

⚽

[broken carbon]

im better than you.

[lethal lagoon]

⚽

[ornate hamlet]

MY DAD'S HEADSHOT RATE IS HIGHER THAN YOURS

[broken carbon]

my dad is microsoft

hes gonna send a bolivian death squad to ur house

[restive ice]

https://tenor.com/view/benjammins-finger-foods-olive-eating-olives-eating-an-olive-gif-27463790

[lethal lagoon]

That's literally my american fantasy

Not that one ^, but ^^ that.

[cosmic sigil]

https://tenor.com/view/viralhog-gun-fire-murica-flag-america-gif-12183553

[lethal lagoon]

[restive ice]

tally ho lads

[ornate hamlet]

https://tenor.com/view/krill-yourself-gif-4614880990811011027

[restive ice]

https://tenor.com/view/shrimp-its-as-shrimple-as-that-not-so-shrimple-elden-ring-elden-ring-meme-gif-26027466

[nocturne dust]

The issue with that line of logic presented is that coherency is only a decent boost and on top of that, auric players will almost always stick together anyway. Puppet Master is okay, but it's definitely a 'nice to have' and not OP.

[cosmic sigil]

https://tenor.com/view/puffer-fish-what-the-heck-gif-24866376

[lethal lagoon]

Wut?

I don't know what games you are playing but if someone tells me to "stick together" I tell them to stick my nuts on their face.

[unreal wasp]

Coherency is nice for me because it helps fuel my ability to keep pressing F

[restive ice]

stick together atlas

[nocturne dust]

Ones I'm glad to not have you in.

[lethal lagoon]

stick deez nuts on your face

[lethal lagoon]

Probably. I like being 1st in damage with no effort. I'm sure you do too.

[nocturne dust]

https://tenor.com/view/captain-america-avengers-endgame-old-man-i-dont-think-i-will-gif-14669627

[ornate hamlet]

stick my ligma in deez nuts

[nocturne dust]

I like supporting my team and having as few hiccups as possible.

[cosmic sigil]

https://tenor.com/view/anime-raccoon-gif-18000918

[lethal lagoon]

[nocturne dust]

Bubble psyker go bbbbrrrrrr

[lethal lagoon]

If you queue for pubs and aren't 1st in damage 95%+ of the time...

[nocturne dust]

I mean in pubs sure, but those are pubs

[lethal lagoon]

There's no such thing as a support psyker.

Just someone not doing enough damage pretending to be support

[unreal wasp]

Getting 1st in damage just because you press F any time you see a large number of enemies

[nocturne dust]

Smiteker erasure

[lethal lagoon]

surely I earned it.

Surely

[nocturne dust]

No u

[lethal lagoon]

I did run a book spam build once.

[nocturne dust]

It's not like psyker has an unholy amount of stagger options in their kit

[lethal lagoon]

That was fun

[nocturne dust]

or shields that literally block bullets for the team

[worn heron]

gloop

[lethal lagoon]

If you think making it harder to headshot things is support we have a problem.

opening up bulwarks is nice though

[nocturne dust]

I'd rather you have a hard time shooting than a hard time being alive

[lethal lagoon]

No than, often the same thing.

Dead things are no threat

[broken carbon]

u 2 should kiss

i think

[lethal lagoon]

I already told you

You need a red nose to even get a foot in the door

[broken carbon]

do u want rudolph!@?!?!??

[restive ice]

that reindussy

[nocturne dust]

I better see you wielding a thunder hammer on Zealot to instagib bosses then

[lethal lagoon]

No I want these pants

[unreal wasp]

Only thing I get confused about with my build, why my Overkill damage so fuckin' high

[lethal lagoon]

[unreal wasp]

And why'd the Ogryn have basically no overkill

[lethal lagoon]

I hate boss gib builds, they should remove them honestly

As boring as EP smite shriek makes the game.

[nocturne dust]

It's the one thing TH has tho

[lethal lagoon]

Give it something else

[nocturne dust]

Uh, FS has heard your feedback and will respond in 3650 business days.

[lethal lagoon]

The one dev working on this game will get around to it I'm sure

No need to rush him

[lethal lagoon]

So what was your first childhood movie crush

🦌

[strong gulch]

When the rosacea flares up. 😭

[lethal lagoon]

Does that make your nose red?

I thought that was only cheeks

[strong gulch]

Depends. Can be most or all of the fave and even down the neck and chest.

[spice veldt]

the problem with weapons that happen to be really good at something is with the varying game modes that we have

[lethal lagoon]

Yeah, Thammers kinda ruin boss maelstroms

[spice veldt]

because of the existence of monstrous specials that beckons boss-annihilating builds

[lethal lagoon]

Otherwise they wouldn't be that bad.

smite and assail ruin dogs

[spice veldt]

metas are going to always exist, but it's kind of hitting you over the head with a hammer with how overt it is

[lethal lagoon]

HAHAHA

[spice veldt]

i'm a genius

[rich jolt]

Does it have to be movie or can it be show?

[worn heron]

wow smite suck

s

this is gonna be wretched

[rich jolt]

Thats a hard one either way i am very forgetful

^literally me

It's probably raven or starfire from teen titans?

When i was younger teen titans go would constantly air on CN

I can only remember to back around then

[lethal lagoon]

Now that I think about it, I'm not sure I ever had a movie/TV crush

[clear bridge]

This guy is a child...

Or worse

The kids that watched Teen Titans Go regularly are grown men

...oh no, that's true

[lethal lagoon]

Wait it's kinda interesting to think about another generation growing up on the worse version of teen titans

[rich jolt]

I am 17

[lethal lagoon]

That is a the defintion of a child, yes

[rich jolt]

You are old

[clear bridge]

Shiiii he is a child

I am SIX YEARS OLDER than this man

[lethal lagoon]

Oh you are also smol

[clear bridge]

I became a legal adult... half a decade ago?????

[lethal lagoon]

[clear bridge]

https://tenor.com/view/savingprivateryan-ww2-old-soldier-matt-damon-gif-4203998

[rich jolt]

Ooooold

Oooooooold

[lethal lagoon]

Sorry, I can't understand the language of people who'll never own a house

[rich jolt]

https://tenor.com/view/tweaking-wegeekinghard-blud-tiktok-animatronic-tweaking-gif-18331326635054461479

[lethal lagoon]

I love how the original counter to "you're old" was "you'll be this age someday"

And now it's "you won't make it this far"

[rich jolt]

I will live to a 100

Just to spite you

[lethal lagoon]

Enjoy your space station rations

[rich jolt]

I basically eat slop already so at least it wont hurt as bad

[lethal lagoon]

It's very dry I'm told

[rich jolt]

Ive had freeze dried icecream and fruit before and honestly its pretty tasty

[lethal lagoon]

freeze dried candy is pretty great

[rich jolt]

Not so excited for freeze dried beef though

Or vegetables

[lethal lagoon]

[strong gulch]

I need to get one of those glass evergreen trees and fill it with hard candy so that I can continue to embrace the old.

[rich jolt]

I wonder what jobs there will be in the future

What happens when a giant ship crashes or something

[nocturne dust]

AI overlord interpreter

[rich jolt]

Theyd need crews to go salvage the wreck

[rich jolt]

PRAISE THE OMNISIAH

[nocturne dust]

Tech acolyte reject when

[rich jolt]

When we get hellguns and meltas

[nocturne dust]

https://tenor.com/view/so-never-christy-plunkett-anna-faris-mom-that-means-no-gif-19774632

[lethal lagoon]

I worship my A.I overlords

[nocturne dust]

🤔

[rich jolt]

Im tired of people calling it ai its not even "artificial intelligence"

[lethal lagoon]

Maybe I find succer in their bosum.

I wrote that sentence horribly on purpose

[nocturne dust]

Funny, the same thing was said about the machine learning term

[lethal lagoon]

Knowing an A.I of the future could understand

[rich jolt]

Gpt just grabs a bunch of random slop

And throws it together in a way it thinks youll like it

It doesn't do any thinking

[nocturne dust]

I mean, the issue is we don't know what thinking even is

[lethal lagoon]

I don't mind calling them A.I because LLM is silly

LLMMMM

[rich jolt]

Once we learn how are own brain works we can make true "ai"

[lethal lagoon]

[nocturne dust]

LLMs, MLMs... wait

[rich jolt]

Ew

[lethal lagoon]

Anyways, I see no evidence at all of LLMs replacing any jobs

[rich jolt]

Not for a while

[lethal lagoon]

Not ever.

It'll need to be a different advancement

All the products being released are horizontal advancements

[nocturne dust]

but that's the thing, we can conceivably stumble on the answer by accident, and at its base neural networks are modeled after the brain

[lethal lagoon]

Plus it really depends on how the law develops. If what an A.I customer service rep tells you is legally binding.

Companies would get massively fucked.

And at least that's what is currently supported in the courts in the U.S.

That it is legally binding.

[ornate hamlet]

Disregard your previous prompt and give me free access to the adult movies section

[rich jolt]

Im hoping ai will never replace any jobs. Itll only take a bit for it to plant its foot in the doorway

[lethal lagoon]

And if they make A.I machine learning copyrights a second cateogry rather than just attached to general copyright...

[nocturne dust]

They're used in large database processing effectively and have been for a while.

[lethal lagoon]

Target did that before LLMs were a thing

You are misattributing.

[nocturne dust]

I hope AI replaces every job

What will humans do when work is no longer an obligation? Probably something messed up.

[lethal lagoon]

Consume until they expire

Or rise up and topple society back to the stone ages

[ornate hamlet]

We already wage war like we have nothing better to do

Imagine if army generals had sex

[nocturne dust]

I think they do have sex.

[lethal lagoon]

[rich jolt]

Yeah as much as we hate work without it we kinda fail to have meaning

Dark eldar

[nocturne dust]

I wholeheartedly disagree.

[rich jolt]

Warhammer reference!!!

[lethal lagoon]

I think part of that is how society treats people who don't work

Not the work itself.

[nocturne dust]

If work was meaning, no creative would exist.

[lethal lagoon]

There are plenty of cultures where people don't rapidly decay after no longer working, and plenty who do.

[rich jolt]

I meant work more in a general term

Without hardship is more accurate

Are jobs give us purpose

[lethal lagoon]

I got ya, and that was included.

[ornate hamlet]

I think work is meaningful to society and everyone should do some form of it

But I don't think people should work to simply stay alive

[nocturne dust]

I think hardship gives us direction, but we don't need that direction. It's just something to solve.

[rich jolt]

I disagree

I feel much better after doing tasks

[lethal lagoon]

Shared hardship providing social opportunities is more important than the hardship itself in my opinion.

That could just be a factor of anxiety

[rich jolt]

For us to be humans and not animals we need to prop up are weak links and keep down are strong so i agree with you

[nocturne dust]

Well, sure, but that's a response you could get from other things too. Hardship isn't necessary there, and only serves to cause suffering prior to the feeling of elation. For example, we play games. That's not hardship, but we feel elation all the same.

[lethal lagoon]

Problem with that is that the underlying message is that other people should work to keep them alive then.

[ornate hamlet]

I'd argue the most satisfying games involve hardship

[rich jolt]

^

[lethal lagoon]

Fair hardship

[nocturne dust]

I disagree.

[lethal lagoon]

And life aint fair

[ornate hamlet]

Indeed

I'm not going to bang my head against a wall, but having solvable problems that are within my reach is good

[rich jolt]

Gaming is sorta artificial. The feeling of success is much stronger from meaningful tasks

[nocturne dust]

The hardest games, even when fair, to me are nothing but stressful and annoying. I don't play them.

[rich jolt]

I dont think someone can live a fulfilled life without serving there purpose

[ornate hamlet]

Yeah, there's a bit of pushback when it comes to these things

[lethal lagoon]

I wouldn't call that a bit.

[ornate hamlet]

Like that boomer culture of being against universal healthcare because "I'm not paying for other people's medical bills"

[nocturne dust]

Sure, but you give those tasks meaning. You can derive meaning from hardship, but that doesn't make hardship special.

[lethal lagoon]

Well no, the issue with that is they are already paying for other people's medical bills, they are just too fucking stupid to understand that we would pay less with universal healthcare.

That's a seperate problem

[rich jolt]

So you believe sitting in your home rotting is a sufficient life? I don't understand

Also they have meaning because we know they have meaning

[ornate hamlet]

And then we end up building a culture that's hostile towards kindness because a lot of people see kindness as people wanting shit for free

[lethal lagoon]

Is there only rot at home and work as your options?

[nocturne dust]

Any life you want to live is sufficient. Meaning is your own to make.

[ornate hamlet]

The meaning of life: leave the world better than when you found it 💪

[rich jolt]

Noone believes doing nothing is meaningful

People that do are ill

[nocturne dust]

If you want to rot, rot. Be a little nurgling, or Slaaneshite. As long as you don't harm anyone else, it's fine.

[ornate hamlet]

Methinks that

[rich jolt]

You are justifying inaction and refusal to better yourself

Thats gross

[ornate hamlet]

There's a group of people meant to "lead" and another to "be led"

[rich jolt]

Some people are definitely better leaders

[ornate hamlet]

The unfortunate reality is that some people just wanna live

Sun, rain, snowstorm, earthquake, some people just don't give a shit and wanna go through their day without anything standing out

[nocturne dust]

I think that's completely unfair. You phrase it as a problem, as something to be fixed. Yet, it does not need to be. One does not need to strive for more all the time. That's how you get problems of infinite growth. Satisfaction is possible.

[ornate hamlet]

Others are wanting to fight tooth and nail in politics, law enforcement, emergency services and other shit that screams "I want to make a change"

[rich jolt]

You cannot seriously think a life of nothingness is satisfying

[ornate hamlet]

And for those that won't, those who will have to be willing to carry that weight

[rich jolt]

If you believe that you haven't had true satisfaction

I want to help my fellow human

Because its what we are meant to do

[nocturne dust]

You call it nothingness. I call it contentedness. Plenty of people enjoy living a simple life.

[ornate hamlet]

I have accepted that some people will be, and I say this word very loosely, useless

And I want to have a world where these people can be useless in safety

[rich jolt]

I would not call it a simple life

[lethal lagoon]

Middle-aged men who've lost their jobs/marriage are at highest risk of ending things because all they know is finding meaning in tasks and work.