I'm too lazy to go find the full tree, but the guy with 472k had 700k+ on old damage calc.
#psyker-class
lethal lagoon
Basically if you are getting a ton of last hits, as opposed to full kills
The old scoreboard will add a ton of overkill damage to you
But if you are just carrying, than it doesn't really effect it that much % wise
ovenproof or powerdi are the new scoreboards
with better calcs
boreal pollen
The old scoreboard has a overkill stat tho doesn't it?
So it does show the discrepancy iirc
lethal lagoon
You missed everything I"m saying.
I'm saying it just outrights counts trauma overkill as damage
boreal pollen
Gotcha
lethal lagoon
That's where the difference in damage in the first scoreboard I post comes from
Those are two different scoreboards merged
regular scoreboard and ovenproof
1412k vs 1250k
Anyways
The new scoreboard is way better anyways
boreal pollen
Yeah I gotta get my mods straightened out. I'm coming back from a hiatus lol
The shooters are insane
boreal pollen
lethal lagoon
I have no idea.
boreal pollen
Well I appreciate it
lethal lagoon
The shooters are insane
Half of what makes them insane is no one kills them
There we go, that's the really fancy scoreboard
boreal pollen
I love watching my teammates try to pick someone up right next to 3 gunners, brings a tear to my eye
lethal lagoon
boreal pollen
Thanks for the links
lethal lagoon
boreal pollen
What do you like to run these days?
boreal pollen
lethal lagoon
Jokes aside, I'm chilling with Surge alot these days
That previously posted scoreboard being the main reason why
Surge makes handling ranged mobs and elites super easy
Blaze Trauma is probably second most popular for me, followed by Gunker.
boreal pollen
It's hard for me to go back to surge after they changed it. I miss my cc lol
The damage does seem better now though, especially with the amount of gunners we have to deal with
strong gulch
Surge was my fav staff before and after the changes. I prefer it now. If I want more CC, then smite.
lethal lagoon
Yeah, same, liked it before and after.
strong gulch
After all staves could quell and charge slide + the addition of mettle, I didn't miss the CC loss of surge.
lethal lagoon
Smite just dumb, it's what old surge wishes it could be. Old surge is smite at home. Needs a rework honestly lmao
strong gulch
@lethal lagoon How is the AC? Is it still borked?
strong gulch
Usually not, but I was hoping it was. 🥺
lethal lagoon
I called a bunch of places, earlier I could get a guy out was monday, and god knows when they'll actually fix it
Last time it was like 1 month+ waiting list
strong gulch
😩
lethal lagoon
We have so many AC companies in my area, I dont get why they are so slow about it
restive ice
strong gulch
Not enough techs. More AC priests.
restive ice
advent coalition 
left dagger
compaletely bricked perk blessing waiting for item rework. what 2 do i change in the mean time?
wary needle
I’ve seen people say Columnus, I’ve seen voidstrike, purgatus staffs. Trauma could work, illisi sword could work
lethal lagoon
I'm assuming you are running auric t5s?
It's actually fairly doable in malice if you are struggling. Grab an Illy, rush ahead of your team, and pop SG when you got enough of a crowd
I dunno, I just got mine normally while playing columunus.
With PC, you just kill everything around you
strong gulch
Higher difficulties have higher enemy density. Open maps are anti-SG penance. Battle Meditation talent helps.
upper galleon
compaletely bricked perk blessing waiting for item rework. what 2 do i change in...
change both blessings tbh
lethal lagoon
Magi is a good map
upper galleon
uncanny+ precog or riposte
lethal lagoon
They do have higher density but that doesn't mean you can't have moments of high density in lower diffs
And if you are stuck on a penance that hard, it's worht a shot
upper galleon
or uncanny+FT if you insist on bleed just don't take lacerate
left dagger
yeah i changed to fleshtearer riposte
jovial juniper
I’ve seen people say Columnus, I’ve seen voidstrike, purgatus staffs. Trauma cou...
Fine Deathspitter Recon 7a
restive ice
enemy ac130
lethal lagoon
Whats with all the ferrets, mice, and other small mammals I see around a lot
strong gulch
And if you are stuck on a penance that hard, it's worht a shot
true
lethal lagoon
Is that like a thing, or do you just like em
strong gulch
More ferrets 🙏
fiery wigeon
restive ice
At this point, I'm bored
try playibg sex with stalin on steam
terse saffron
Is this too much to horde? or nah?
did you complete the whole sticker book?
dusk void
did you complete the whole sticker book?
wdym
terse saffron
all blessings 1 through 4 unlocked for all weapons
dusk void
all blessings 1 through 4 unlocked for all weapons
Tbh, not all weapons, but my favorite weapons
terse saffron
also where are you hiding another 0 in diamantine counter
restive ice
Or just like try having sex
my lawyer advised against trying that again
jovial juniper
I'm taking that out of context
round coyote
my lawyer advised against trying that again
: (
lethal lagoon
Is this too much to horde? or nah?
I'm jealous of you melkies melkers. I can never motivate myself to do contracts without having something I actively need in the store
You are just milking little old melkie every day, on time.
strong gulch
Speaking of melkies. It reset. Let me go get a dose of disappointment.
dusk void
I'm jealous of you melkies melkers. I can never motivate myself to do contracts ...
I accidentally get them when I’m doing missions half of the time
strong gulch
Right on cue.
supple dock
omg
i want it
also uhm
I took uncanny off my knife on zealot
You....don't need it lmao
lethal lagoon
God.
strong gulch
Double crits?
supple dock
restive ice
lacerate
strong gulch
Who needs uncanny when you're uncannily kusu.
lethal lagoon
I refer you to a complete joke knife and your response is to somehow top that
This isn't just kusu core, this is Kusuanity.
restive ice
riposte precog is a normal zealot thing thoufh
lethal lagoon
August 4 is now formally known as Kusumas Day
lethal lagoon
Yeah fatshark, can I have refund on just the entire class of zealot.
lethal lagoon
I did say that was a use case
Not nessarily a good one
But a use case nonetheless
lethal lagoon
Just keep in mind, if you bust on anything but a crusher, all you are doing is losing fire damage
restive ice
Just lije these hot loads
lethal lagoon
I dont read your messages
patent jacinth
Melk weapon
azure bridge
guys i'm a bit confused
i found this illisi mark 5 in the shop right?
its got 70% damage, 114 light attack 211 heavy
... its got more damage than my 80% illisi
patent jacinth
The little numbers on the card are misleading
The stats you get from Inspect are more accurate
azure bridge
i'll keep that in mind
lethal lagoon
i found this illisi mark 5 in the shop right?
First target maybe
supple dock
isn't first target still broken on illisi
azure bridge
the 70% damage illisi has 80% first target
supple dock
and even if it wasn't, it's kinda the opposite of the point of what illisi does
lethal lagoon
I literally never pay attention to any of this stuff
spice veldt
first target is broken only for the special attack
restive ice
she riposte my first target til i blazing spirit
fast prawn
I'd like a new type of staff.
supple dock
This isn't just kusu core, this is Kusuanity.
lethal lagoon
I'd like a game with more than 1 working staff
restive ice
i'd like a loving family lol
mossy oyster
you're surrounded by your siblings ! what could you possibly mean
restive ice
supple dock
strong gulch
I got complimented on my trauma CC. 🥺
Someone carries a battery and just blast em with circles. 
lethal lagoon
When the vet has no idea you just stoped the 112 poxwalker about to backshot him
willow hazel
for right side psyker builds without assail and an excess of talent points
it adds ~5% damage overall
lyric burrow
Yeah generally i just have left over talent points for it
winter lotus
Thoughts on Deimos Force Sword vs Dueling Sword?
spice veldt
i like ds4 better cuz faster movespeed and stab heavy as a first attack for assail quickswapping
radiant yew
Wow Scrier's Gaze eats heat like no one's business
strong gulch
I like like DS more. It's less fiddly.
restive ice
deimos is so girthy
winter lotus
What's a good staff to pair with a dueling sword?
lethal lagoon
purg, trauma, void, surge.
Surge goes well with illusis, so that's at the bottom, but dueling sword goes with every staff.
near wyvern
Surge goes well with illusis, so that's at the bottom, but dueling sword goes wi...
and goes with every gun as well
It's a very good 'I don't know what I want' melee pick. Such a strong all-around weapon.
winter lotus
is voidstrike just a staff that shoots grenades? it's a weird weapon and I don't understand what it's suposed to do lol
true epoch
Voidstrike staff is an unlimited ammo rocket launcher with no friendly fire.
winter lotus
huh
lethal lagoon
No? The blast part is the most useless part of void.
It's closer to a laser in practice.
lethal lagoon
It pierces multiple enemies
Which also gives multiple true aim stacks if you land headhsots
winter lotus
So it's a plasma?
lethal lagoon
Pretty much the psyker version of plasma yes
winter lotus
what is a true aim stack
winter lotus
oh hm.
lethal lagoon
So like if you fire into a horde, and hit headshots, basically instant 5 stacks
true aim is also really strong on all guns.
winter lotus
I went with the middle keystone instead actually
lethal lagoon
It's basically a better version of headhunter
winter lotus
But I'm still a bit confused with voidstrike. How does it pierce and also explode?
spice veldt
explodes when it reaches the cleave limit or hits geometry
winter lotus
i mean sure, okay. I still don't know how it works
winter lotus
explodes when it reaches the cleave limit or hits geometry
oh, huh
winter lotus
EP has some good builds, just depends on what you want.
currently using dueling sword for elites and assail to deal with long range specialists or getting a minor horde off of my ass. Double Wall for ranged locking and then voidstrike for killing bigger hordes
lethal lagoon
Make sure to get longer DD stacks instead of more, if you aren't familiar with it.
extra stacks on weakspots is also nice given you are using assail and void.
winter lotus
i used a scrier DD build pretending i was a zealot while going through tiers 1-3 lol
near wyvern
If you really want to pretend to be a zealot you go with Columnus Infantry Autogun and a knife 6
cosmic sigil
i had better success with the recon than the columnus
potent echo
I was running gaze builds again and they are definitely fine if your team carries you
potent echo
The what
ornate hamlet
wang tausand tririon
lethal lagoon
When the republican convetion is in town
I still can't get over that the homophobic party caused grindr to crash
strong gulch
on brand tbh
potent echo
Gaze is great if zealot whips out song so you can steal all their dps
lethal lagoon
I mean we joke about them all being closeted, but god damn.
lethal lagoon
Gaze is great if zealot whips out song so you can steal all their dps
I don't see song much these days
potent echo
I still can't get over that the homophobic party caused grindr to crash
Wait this is recent
lethal lagoon
Yes
Literally happened the last convention
Trump blowing a big smooch to Hulk Hogan made it even more funny
It's literally just a movie at this point.
supple dock
holy shit I just looked it up I'm dying
lethal lagoon
I encourage anyone bored to watch the hulk hogan speech
It's peak comedy
I mean realistically, this whole thing is mildy frightening.
potent echo
Milwaukee having a nickname of cream city makes it peak
lethal lagoon
But that's what makes it even more funny
potent echo
We live in a society
upper galleon
I just remember he sold pillows and he was an absolute drug fiend
lethal lagoon
holy shit I just looked it up I'm dying
Twitter
U.S citizens are living in "that" alternate timeline.
We strayed from the main one a long time ago.
lethal lagoon
Milwaukee having a nickname of cream city makes it peak <:KEKW_ogryn:10220771883...
Does it actually?
Crocs getting popular again too, just like they soared in 2021.
😱
spice veldt
terrifying
potent echo
Does it actually?
Tourism department should double down on that name
potent echo
Wow
lethal lagoon
I tell you, no one makes cream I like do. Day and night, I promose you people, everyone's creaming. You cream, I cream, we all cream.
It's cream city, the greatest city in america
cosmic sigil
I have been the best president for cream since JF Kennedy
i have creamed all over the White House. I made the House White.
strong gulch
Different staff, same charge rate hate.
lethal lagoon
Different staff, same charge rate hate.
Potato-core.
strong gulch
Potato-core.
True. I don't recharge when I rest. So how can I judge these staves?? 😭
strong gulch
Some bears might be into that.
lethal lagoon
Should have ridden bears into battle instead of horses
ornate hamlet
Why can't I have a bear as a pet
The truth is terrible to bear
lethal lagoon
Some bears might be into that.
Maybe, too bad grindr got crashed, we had a rally over here.
So I can't find any bears.
ornate hamlet
strong gulch
Oh right.
ornate hamlet
I think we might have different concepts of bear
lethal lagoon
The truth is terrible to bear
I actually agree it's terrible, so I didn't even catch your joke
ornate hamlet
It's a loading screen quote
ornate hamlet
lethal lagoon
ornate hamlet
sigmar balls
potent echo
cosmic sigil
The truth is terrible to bear
You need to bear it all.
lethal lagoon
I believe that was exactly the problem
radiant frigate
lone fern
wildfire on purgatus build?
strong gulch
If you have have a spare point, yeah. Otherwise 🤷
I have purg with EP BB and had a spare point, so I took wildfire.
strong gulch
If you're trying to go all in on purg, WS is better.
potent echo
EP is more points efficient
You can afford alot of comfy things like extra toughness and kinetic deflection etc
strong gulch
EP doesn't do anything for pure; but WS is expensive point wise.
radiant frigate
'ate warp siphon
potent echo
Or go DD
radiant frigate
DD my beloved
strong gulch
Purg is mid range, so a lot of people take BR/ BB.
radiant frigate
this does not stop you from using dd
strong gulch
this is true lol
Since purg is strong enough without WS, I personally to invest in BB.
Some also like assail + purg. DD would be worth it then.
lone fern
Some also like assail + purg. DD would be worth it then.
ok interesting...
do you have a link for that one?
strong gulch
ok interesting...
do you have a link for that one?
You could do this. DS would be great for melee option.
Knife too.
lone fern
i like knife
fills dopamine speed receptors
strong gulch
This build isn't as strong against crushers, so your melee with have to take care of them.
strong gulch
Their heads.
DS, especially DS 4, is quite good at dealing with them.
A special to the head staggers them.
People also like deimos for crushers.
Knife also handles them, but it's slower.
lone fern
assuming that i am going use a +3 stamina curio
2 toughness , 2 health or 1 each for the rest?
strong gulch
200 hp is let's you survive bursters or snipers (without resist), outside of aiming for that it's up to you.
You could do +3 stam (76 or better) and 2 health and put toughness on each one. That way you basically get a toughness curio worth of toughness.
strong gulch
Again sad
upper sun
crafting update will fix it
upper sun
what the fu-
🤔
bruh
i got the exact same base in the store
only like 379
i swear brunt is rigged
lone fern
How do i know what stats are best for weapons
Psyker anatheum?
near wyvern
what the fu-
I am 99% confident this can kill mutants with a single H2 with only T4 +maniac
near wyvern
How do i know what stats are best for weapons
Psyker anatheum?
Yes
vestal fulcrum
It probably can - I'll test it in the Psykhanium on a modded weapon with the same parameters
By the way, I tried the bolt pistol with the Battery Gunker build from your guide
It's insanely fun to play
The subjected bolt pistol
near wyvern
Yeah it's really good, just requires a 2/4 roll unfortunately
You gotta get two correct out of two perks and two blessings
But once you get those, welcome to the one tap village
And those that don't one tap still die in reasonable time, unless they are a crusher or a monstrosity
idle plover
ive recently ran into so many psykers who have like 5 wounds and keep getting killed
lone fern
I thought burn for burgatus should be exactly 76
potent echo
More than 76%
Not exactly 76
More than or equals to*
But also there's hidden decimals soo
Just make sure the burn max stacks is 15
halcyon gust
ive recently ran into so many psykers who have like 5 wounds and keep getting ki...
We love the recent wound meta
Have seen 6 wound Ogryns
halcyon gust
I get a wound on them when you first make the jump to Heresy and Damnation
But after a certain point. You can get away with 2 wounds
Wounds don't mean shit if you die because you went down in a shit spot and no one can revive you within reason, Launched off the map via a barrel or glitched through the floor because chaos spawn
idle plover
yeah
stiff falcon
Four wounds means you should go down a diff
idle plover
i can get behind 1 extra wound if you are like veteran who can get health/toughness high without spending all on curios
but psyker really likes to get health/toughness curios
as psyker doesnt get them as high without curios
rigid sky
I'd want some kind of poxburster 2shot protection
But if you can get that from a health curio, do that instead
Idk I use tough tough stam
static needle
Does deimos H2 still trip up crushers?
potent echo
another week of fomo currency 
upper sun
150k in rerolls on one char so far
potent echo
on one char?
potent echo
you can reroll using milkbux?
sweet beacon
fiery wigeon
wildfire is actually good? <:KEKW_ogryn:1022077188322906163>
it barely does anything
even against hordes its effect is unnoticable
it spreads the 4 stacks evenly among nearby enemies
so 4 dudes get 1 stack
radiant frigate
wildfire description is godawful
fiery wigeon
wildfire effect is the godawful bit imo
but yeah it does not tell you what it does lol
(not like it does anything anyways)
radiant frigate
a certified obese megalodon classic
near wyvern
150k in rerolls on one char so far
Why? I stopped caring about milk bucks the moment I hit 10k and had not seen anything worth to buy
I used to pick a random blessing here and there but nowadays I have them all...
restive ice
burning dockets just to feel alive
potent echo
trauma DD is actually
restive ice
quartz barn
Ranged kills on ogryn is easy tho
Just use a stubber and grab the entire rights side of the skill tree
Then you just unload and grab all the ammo you can find
restive ice
why unload bullet when unload docket
upper sun
Why? I stopped caring about milk bucks the moment I hit 10k and had not seen any...
i'm blessing maxxing
i still dont have all the t4s for everything
quartz barn
Imagine not having every t1 blessing
potent echo
it costs 400000 bullets, to fire this docket for 12 plasteel
jovial juniper
trauma DD is actually
Not good on Perfectionism I'll tell you that
Even though you can damage targets to reset the timer, it lacks speed
potent echo
i take the 10sec one
10-15stacks is all you really need to hit some nice bps
like ds4 oneshot mutie
or shotgunners/gunners
jovial juniper
Yeah you shouldn't take Perfectionism
Unless you go High Intensity
And also depending on the map
fiery wigeon
Not good on Perfectionism I'll tell you that
there is not much that IS good on perfectionism
jovial juniper
Yes sir, I have a tier list (needs more testing)
Aiag and 7a are up there
Laspistol is a weird one on the list
But the shove resets the timer
Not to mention it's also AoE
fossil snow
I hope they never change the stupid shit empathic evasion lets you get away with
fiery wigeon
that perk is fuckin wild
broken carbon
I hope they never change the stupid shit empathic evasion lets you get away with
it’s basically just a talent version of ghost
so i doubt they’d change it
potent echo
7a > 6d 
patent steeple
which melees would be good for pairing with Surge Staff?
I am thinking of either DS4 with Rampage and Uncanny, or knife 6 with Uncanny and Flesh Tearer.
strong gulch
Both are good options.
potent echo
ds4 actually clears horde with DD
strong gulch
If you really want to cover surge weakness, illisi is the best option.
lethal lagoon
Knife move tech is too meta, so it's always worth seeing if you like it.
potent echo
ds4 movetech is equivalent
potent echo
or equivalent enough, stam neutral and faster than horde what else do you need
strong gulch
MORE SPEED
patent steeple
If you really want to cover surge weakness, illisi is the best option.
hmm ok, but idk if I should run still run crit chance alongside flak on the staff, or swap the crit chance for cara or unyielding...?
potent echo
<a:peepoComfy:858013495455121408>
strong gulch
knife can also manage hordes in a safer way than DS 4.
potent echo
hmm ok, but idk if I should run still run crit chance alongside flak on the staf...
flak and crit chance is fine
lethal lagoon
<:udder:1155701305461968988>
strong gulch
If you really want to take DS and are worried about hordes, DS 2 is good.
jovial juniper
Yes sir DS2
strong gulch
hmm ok, but idk if I should run still run crit chance alongside flak on the staf...
Crit to unyeilding for me.
fiery wigeon
ds2 ❤️
jovial juniper
Light into heavy combo or just light spam
restive ice
special spam it
fiery wigeon
ds2's single target is heavy -> special
idk what ds2's proper crowd clear is i just light spam
strong gulch
Cara is nice to see a crusher die faster, but surge CC and sliding around with mettle plus if you have a DS makes that a non-issue.
patent steeple
Crit to unyeilding for me.
I see. maybe I can try out running Unyielding and Flak on surge, and swap back to crit and Flak if i don't find Unyielding to work...
strong gulch
Unless you can't dodge. (like me)
jovial juniper
special spam it
2 walkers at the same poke, stonks
restive ice
2 walkers at the same poke, stonks
they shall know fear
lethal lagoon
Flak unyielding surge meta.
strong gulch
I see. maybe I can try out running Unyielding and Flak on surge, and swap back t...
Ye.
Surge staff has appreciable boss damage. It's not the best, but it is impactful.
lethal lagoon
No one ever kills ranged units or bulwarks
In a normal healthy boss fight you should be doing around 10-20k of the boss's health with surge
strong gulch
I keep having games where people are not bringing boss damage. Surge staff lets you fight bosses in a really fast way.
strong gulch
In a normal healthy boss fight you should be doing around 10-20k of the boss's h...
Me doing top boss damage with surge. 🥲
strong gulch
heh
thin finch
thin finch
Me doing top boss damage with surge. 🥲
it used to be Trauma's place 
and now I feel like it's shit on boss damage
strong gulch
and now I feel like it's shit on boss damage
Trauma used to hit bonbon's back pimple kinda hard. Iirc, awhile ago bonbon's explosion damage that it took was reduced. 🥲
long wharf
all bosses took extra damage from explosions
it was due to multiple hit boxes being hit
so FartShart buffed boss explosion damage resistance
strong gulch
Gotcha.
long wharf
there was a brief period of time where the ogryn ripper was absolutely destroying bosses
using their gungryn ult
long wharf
yep
long wharf
and then FartShart nerfed burning damage
and reduced burning stacks per hit for the ult
FartShart is why we can't have nice things
near wyvern
Crafting update gonna be like
lethal lagoon
I really hope it comes with like a new mode.
Like some horde defence or something that would be impactful but super easy to make.
I'd love to see the game recover
broken carbon
Like some horde defence or something that would be impactful but super easy to m...
give us a chaos wastes
and i will be happy
upper sun
unironically just port all of the vt2 content
port everything
all staves all game modes twitch modes chaos wastes
uhhh the time based one that everyone cheeses
whats it called?
jovial juniper
Winds of Magic?
upper sun
ye
zinc phoenix
and now I feel like it's shit on boss damage
idk that any psyker staff does more than negligible boss dmg
i just focus on controlling specialists and deleting hordes while the rest of the team deals with bosses when i staff psyker
upper sun
bosses have warp resist
tbh
i think its fine
psykers struggle against nothing in the entire game
zinc phoenix
its annoying slowly grinding down a bon with trauma solo lemme tell you
upper sun
i used to play psyker as a main first then other classes
i used to think ragers were a trash mob until i played zealot
i had no idea they were "elite"
thin finch
its annoying slowly grinding down a bon with trauma solo lemme tell you
now it's better to either BB or primary bullet
upper sun
ye
zinc phoenix
i used to think ragers were a trash mob until i played zealot
lol yeah that one is a funny transition
thin finch
Trauma staff does help a LOT
they nerfed his stagger and yet I feel it stills stagger a lot
upper sun
the issue is with trauma it needs warp charges
zinc phoenix
i mean you say that and then i see col iag duders just deleet the boss
upper sun
and if you go warp charges you cant upgrade BB
zinc phoenix
you dont have to play trauma with wc, it is more fun tho
upper sun
agent will come back from antartic and yell at me if i play ep trauma
zinc phoenix
imo at a certain level of skill you can just do whatever and itll be fine
upper sun
yeah
zinc phoenix
well except lasgun exe stance with ammo refund, that shit is impossible
i am a few patches out of date
thin finch
bu tthen again, Darktide has a evry very good gun gameplay so I became a gun psyker 
zinc phoenix
obesefish will give me the goddamn itemization patch and then i shall play again
jovial juniper
still should do it
It's fine, if you're not really into it you could pick Solidity
And since Scrier's actually work with WS now
Solidity paths to it
thin finch
The MK VI made me enjoy BB and scrier's gaze
also scrier's gaze has been introduced as a MELEE tool and it changes one life too
grizzled sierra
this decent for leveling?
patent steeple
It's fine, if you're not really into it you could pick Solidity
by Solidity, you mean the peril buildup reduction Gaze augment (Reality Anchor)?
thin finch
It's fine, if you're not really into it you could pick Solidity
t'was my scrier's gaze penance build with a voidstrike staff
"remove the top left node tho
upper sun
this decent for leveling?
dont bother upgrading stuff for levelling just use emperor gifts
grizzled sierra
does assail like attack the enemis im looking at or does it have a mind of itas own
jovial juniper
by Solidity, you mean the peril buildup reduction Gaze augment (Reality Anchor)?
That would be Reality Anchor
patent steeple
ahhhhh... I always forget the name of this...
jovial juniper
Solidity is solidity
thin finch
That is reality anchor
You can use it but it's not that great if you are able to manage your peril correctly
plus you don't always want an eternal scrier's gaze
jovial juniper
t'was my scrier's gaze penance build with a voidstrike staff
Nice, even got the -5% peril sub nodes
thin finch
Nice, even got the -5% peril sub nodes
diverted just for them 
broken carbon
idk that any psyker staff does more than negligible boss dmg
surge void staff does great damage
along with staggering burgles and DHs
zinc phoenix
surge void staff does great damage
great or "great"
thorn cedar
eh
zinc phoenix
because downing a boss in seconds is great, while getting it done in better than void staff left click is "great"
thorn cedar
honestly id say great
you just cant like
really be the most ultra consistent on that output
supple dock
20k damage is roughly 1/3rd of a boss' hp
Being able to pump that out with surge is pretty respectable
zinc phoenix
meh void is boring as shit
thorn cedar
"I SWEAR USUALLY IT'S WAY BIGGER"
radiant frigate
i used to think ragers were a trash mob until i played zealot
this is why i could not play zealot for a while
i see ragers as psyker/vet, i press weapon special and i throw lights at their head and they stagger
i swing at them with evis XV and nothing happens
zinc phoenix
always a joy to hit them with thammer light and have them do a lil giggle and gut you
upper sun
i swing at them with evis XV and nothing happens
swing with rashad they combo me to 50% hp
zinc phoenix
giant stack of metal, stagger 0 on lights
upper sun
my only hope is crusher or gun
jovial juniper
i swing at them with evis XV and nothing happens
Time to Evis15 crash course
radiant frigate
swing with rashad they combo me to 50% hp
when the melee class struggles with melee enemies in melee but the "ranged" classes just laugh at them
radiant frigate
real
zinc phoenix
of all the weapons to not have it, so stupid
jovial juniper
Not enough mocap
broken carbon
peak maelstrom
jovial juniper
zinc phoenix
instead we have poke, hard poke and yet another poke
upper sun
when the melee class struggles with melee enemies in melee but the "ranged" clas...
I'll never forget the 3 weeks we had before the rager speed buff but after the combo being dodgable
game was so fun then
zinc phoenix
well at least you can do the classic indiana jones and pull a revolver on them
shame if theres more than 5 tho
upper sun
i was exaggerating
oh yeah ive been playing for a long time without second wind game is a lot easier now that i have it
jovial juniper
Push attack opener, good shit
upper sun
but still
for some reason maniac armor takes zero damage from light attacks
which is most of rashad
buoyant maple
for some reason maniac armor takes zero damage from light attacks
No?
upper sun
yes
buoyant maple
Both zealot & veteran can 3 hit Dreg rager on Rashad
upper sun
in general maniacs take less damage from light attacks than heavy
buoyant maple
How’s that “zero damage”
buoyant maple
in general maniacs take less damage from light attacks than heavy
Combat axes’ heavy overheads do less maniac damage than light atks
upper sun
i said in general
buoyant maple
for some reason maniac armor takes zero damage from light attacks
I still don’t know what this is supposed to mean
upper sun
most weapons do less damage to maniacs with lights than heavies despite them not being an armor type per say
wild night
Not even wearing armor and Dreg Ragers somehow are tougher than Flak Ragers.
jovial juniper
Nurgle's blessing I guess
wild night
ornate hamlet
Bro just nurgled deez nuts
upper galleon
for some reason maniac armor takes zero damage from light attacks
What
strong gulch
agent will come back from antartic and yell at me if i play ep trauma
When I try EP BB + trauma I end up just wanting to have trauma out the whole time. I might as well just play WS trauma. Purg + EP BB ends up working so much better in terms of swapping tools around during a game. 🥲
I will say, when I do assail + trauma, I am far more even with what I use. I should so DD some time since EP isn't doing dookie for my stabs.
strong gulch
does assail like attack the enemis im looking at or does it have a mind of itas ...
LMB / primary travels to where you are pointing. RMB aims at and follow the target with a halo and you don't have to keep looking at your target.
mossy oyster
can you re direct assail knives with RMB after tossing them or nah
since they dont immediately disappear
jovial juniper
Yes
mossy oyster
ok so im not going crazy
mossy oyster
ive done that a bunch to snipe trappers or bombers hiding behind a horde
jovial juniper
If I don't blow up, stonks
mossy oyster
thought it was just placebo and it only felt like it re-directed
good to know thats an actual thing
analog agate
Technically you can use trauma with EP. Just like any of the staves. Considering you should be using your blitz a most of the time. You just realize trauma is better. And then use trauma more. And then question… why am I nerfing my trauma by not using WS
jovial juniper
good to know thats an actual thing
Yeah but it seems like there's some limit, as in only shards that are closer to the target will redirect
mossy oyster
yea ive noticed that as well
the 2-3 shards that are relatively close to the target
id say give or take 3 feet next to it, are the ones that mostly "home"/ re-direct
ebon pawn
this guy looks so smug. hes up to something i know it
jovial juniper
That's 40% peril
If only I had two charges of EP
Oh, I have 
mossy oyster
free whistling arrows
strong gulch
Technically you can use trauma with EP. Just like any of the staves. Considering...
That
long wharf
I only have lifeleech 5 left to do..........
not quite free yet, than
halcyon gust
WE'RE FREE
Congrats. You have freed yourself from the build shackles
long wharf
... for now
halcyon gust
Until the era of the super optimized builds and sucks the fun out of Psyker and if you dare stray away from the build you get instantly vote kicked
long wharf
if people vote kick you immediately after seeing your gear, be glad they saved you from experiencing their toxic behavior during the mission
halcyon gust
True
And toxic players are thankfully very few and far. At least in terms of Aurics and Damnation
analog agate
Hilariously I am the most toxic player I have seen in 100s of hours from the last toxic dude. And I am considered toxic because I dare try and tell people how to better their weapons
halcyon gust
I have tried to help players making their first jump into damnation, but eventally gave up after most go
stiff falcon
Hilariously I am the most toxic player I have seen in 100s of hours from the las...
Don’t pick smite
Ez
halcyon gust
Okay. Sure just stand still and let the 20+ pox walkers eat you alive
More rations for me
stiff falcon
I just leave smite lobbies on sight now
analog agate
I still try. I am usually told off. I figure, “Alright, I’ll give you a chance maybe you are just trying different things out”. It is always no, they suck and shouldn’t be playing damn
strong gulch
more rations for the poxwalkers too
stiff falcon
I do not have will to suffer 25 mins of disabled enemies
halcyon gust
I have smite on my main build, but I rarely use it 
Maybe it just the warframe has grinded in the "Death is the best CC" mentality into me
long wharf
when I see someone with smite, I just assume that I'm going to be carrying that mission
analog agate
Hear hear
stiff falcon
I just leave, same with plasma voc
long wharf
why?
halcyon gust
I still try. I am usually told off. I figure, “Alright, I’ll give you a chance m...
I always give the benefit of the doubt to players. Because you never know if they're experimenting with a new build, having a bad day, or the game is bullying them
analog agate
I only leave if 2 guys constantly go down and I really don’t feel like carrying
strong gulch
Or if they even care that deeply.
halcyon gust
I only really leave if I see this lobby is too much of a sinking ship to even attempt to salvage
analog agate
I have played too long to give them the benefit of the doubt anymore haha
stiff falcon
I would rather just not play it
long wharf
Because one shotting while cleaving 8 enemies in one hit isn’t enjoyable for me
it is for me, plasma is great
stiff falcon
And mmt a mission 4 hours older and solo it
strong gulch
Us being here kinda indicates some level of wanting to know or get better.
long wharf
what FartShart really needs to do is give us the ability to disable crossplay
every single idiot I've run across in the last few months have been console players
late sapphire
Plasma vets are annoying all they do is shoot the enemies i'm surging or bbing
analog agate
The only time I am legit fucking annoyed to the point of quitting on a bad psyker is when I see them using Surge, tell them it doesn’t work, and I meet them again at some point in and they are still using it
late sapphire
I don't like being forced to animation cancel to teach plasma vets to behave
halcyon gust
Plasma vets are annoying all they do is shoot the enemies i'm surging or bbing
That's the curse of BB/BR
long wharf
"oh no enemies are dying and I don't get the highest damage/kill counts waaa"
stiff falcon
In 3200 hours I have met 1 good console player
late sapphire
"oh no enemies are dying and I don't get the highest damage/kill counts waaa"
25% less enemies dying because we're shooting the same guys
And also a shit game experience
analog agate
Me too haha. 1500 hours. 1 good controller dude
stiff falcon
I will always get top kills and damage I just don’t enjoy removing ranged as a threat
long wharf
maybe accept the fact that the plasma vet is targetting specialists/elites then?
god forbid you learn how to play with others
late sapphire
Would you be happy if you played melee zealot and i shot anything you moved near to
halcyon gust
800 hours. I seen a handful of good controller players
stiff falcon
Which is part of the reason I enjoyed the rather stupid ranged buffs
late sapphire
Why are you being such an antagonistic cunt right now huh
halcyon gust
maybe accept the fact that the plasma vet is targetting specialists/elites then?
I love vets that actually do this!
long wharf
if the melee player can't find a melee target, you need to try harder
or if the vet is really that good, enjoy the easy run for what it is and queue up for the next
¯_(ツ)_/¯
stiff falcon
I will always out specialist disabled plasma vets, they all have at max 500 hours in the game
strong gulch
Really good vets are a treat to me cuz I rarely see them.
stiff falcon
I have seen 10 good vet players
dull osprey
hmm how owuld you build an illisi for melee with scryer ?
long wharf
hmm how owuld you build an illisi for melee with scryer ?
very easily
it's trivial, really
strong gulch
not exorcist + blazing spirit
dull osprey
fk spirit
long wharf
slaughterer + uncanny
dull osprey
flak and?
halcyon gust
I have seen around 100~ good vet players. Though my bar of a "Good" vet is probably way way lower compare to Kittens. As long as they deal with elites and specials along with keeping shooters at bay. That's good in my book
stiff falcon
Yeah I have high standards
analog agate
I consider a vet is good when they challenge me in some way to outplay them. Rare af
upper sun
I have seen around 100~ good vet players. Though my bar of a "Good" vet is proba...
bro has 4 names in his name and out of all of them you chose kitten
analog agate
I have met a ton of competent vets though
halcyon gust
>bro has 4 names in his name and out of all of them you chose kitten
Well okay then FixMyBox clad the 265269032
upper sun
thank u
ebon nymph
rate my psyker, its not complete and just a hodgepodge of things I thought I would need/could work. I wanted to use Smite for CC and stunning so my allies can finish them off, dome shield for defending against ranged threats. I didnt think too much about the rest and mostly just took what i could off a similar build I had that didnt use the Bolt Pistol, which I want to use as I feel I'll be able to handle carapace targets better and reduce the locations where my peril is generated from.
I am open to criticism and suggestions
long wharf
if you're still leveling, just keep playing until you hit 30
you don't have to worry about having a cohesive build yet
play around with the different abilities to see which you prefer
ebon nymph
Im level 30
I just dont have the plasteel to get my stuff to the best upgrade quality
long wharf
then, uh, that talent tree concept is atrocious
you should drop the idea of building around smite
ebon nymph
then, uh, that talent tree concept is atrocious
I felt as much
ebon nymph
you should drop the idea of building around smite
Mk, so how would you do it? What should the path taken be?
long wharf
depends on how you want to play
first of all, smite is not a primary weapon
it's a situational CC tool
everything in Darktide is better off dead than CCd
you CC when necessary, kill the rest of the time
so just having smite is enough, you don't need the upgrade nodes at all
then, you need to figure out how you prefer to play
upper galleon
if you wanna build around smite you need to go venting shriek with the flames talent
and get perilious combustion
strong gulch
If you like to deep dive, there is a guide up in the pins called the Atheneum. It goes over abilities, weapons, etc and has some sample builds.
Psyker has access to a lot of CC and suppression outside of smite. If you're gonna invest in EP smite, pair shreik + creeping flames with it.
late night
I have seen around 100~ good vet players. Though my bar of a "Good" vet is proba...
isnt this like
the whole game
formal hill
If you build around smite I hate you personally
halcyon gust
the whole game
Yes and you'll be surprise at how many thumbless wonders and trackpad heroes you run into
haughty star
I felt as much
Smite with creeping flames on venting shriek with the empowered psyonics capstone is basically win the game mode lol
Not a whole lot of skill involved but it'll be good for farming with no gear until you get some options built up. Not only one of if not the for psyker but probably numbers wise one of the most devastating builds in the game. People hate on it because it's op or boring
lethal lagoon
I disagree on farming from the start with that.
You will learn bad habits and nothing about psyker.
It's ironically a "pro" build
round coyote
I have good build suggestion for you!
Do want to hear it?
Too bad, I bad at waiting. Play Ogryn!
stiff falcon
Smyker scum
languid pasture
am i remembering the itemization blog correctly and thinking that psykers are going to be able to use shotguns again
ebon nymph
if you wanna build around smite you need to go venting shriek with the flames ta...
I do have one thats built like this
ebon nymph
depends on how you want to play
I like being well rounded, and i like being able to help in more ways than just damage, though I do like feeling like the god damn Arch Mage of the Mourningstar, i have felt that on the frozen forge map at level 3 difficulty i have not had good fortune dealing with the Carapace armored enemies, the ragers, or bulwarks.
ornate hamlet
For all 3 at the same time you can get a dueling sword and smite or BB
ebon nymph
Im trying out guns instead of staves even though the whole point of gun psyker is having scriers
ornate hamlet
BB and smite both open up bulwarks to eat shit from your melee or another follow-up
Dueling swords clown on carapace with the poke heavies
Dueling swords also interrupt ragers with their special
ornate hamlet
If you're fighting two ragers, you can abuse KD to do two specials and try to keep one stunned while you hit the other
ebon nymph
My only gold weapon is the maccabian IV dueling sword
ornate hamlet
2 and 4 both have a special + heavy poke combo
I like 2 because its lights are faster
4 is undeniably the goat for poke heavies
🐐 ‼️
ebon nymph
Fancy that
Ok so Maccabian 4 is prepared. Then since i dont have a force sword, what stave?
strong gulch
If you wan to max CC + damage, trauma staff. Can be hard to build tho.
DS can handle hordes but it's not the most efficient, so DS + surge staff is the "worst" pairing. It works well with all of the staves tho.
ebon nymph
Im thinking voidstrike since ive never liked the trauma staffs m2
I can at least hollow purple
So if i go back to my Talent Tree, what needs to change?
Besides smite and dome
ornate hamlet
GUN
strong gulch
Im thinking voidstrike since ive never liked the trauma staffs m2
Valid. Though keep in mind that staves in general have pretty wide scaling and trauma has the widest of them all. The one you unlock while leveling isn't even comparable to a a high rolled state trauma.
half plover
hello siblings, how does the power sword work that you get at level 2
does the alt ability block bullets or am I misinterpreting it's function
I am new to this
restive ice
does the alt ability block bullets or am I misinterpreting it's function
that's only with the deflector blessing
half plover
oh
strong gulch
The blocking bullets is a blessing. The block blocks vision tho.
half plover
it
does
so like
w/o blessings, does it just have a weaker shove than every other melee weapon in the psyker's roast
restive ice
that's only with the deflector blessing
for reference
strong gulch
w/o blessings, does it just have a weaker shove than every other melee weapon in...
The push doesn't push things very far, but you can keep pushing to bully your way out of a thick sea of enemies. The push attack can push something over from 9m away and can even open up bulwarks.
Pushes to not build peril, and a push attack does IF it connects with an enemy. So don't push attack while at max peril.
Also the illisi's special warp attack is different from the other two force swords.
You can repeatedly charge it and basically stroke your sword. So it's easier to keep peril up for warp rider or creeping flames. It also increased the damage and cleave.
restive ice
i didn't know about the charge thing until i tried to stroke my deimos and was let down
strong gulch
right D:
spice veldt
force sword push is better than most other melees, especially for its 1 bar cost
spice veldt
unless you're referring to the push-attack
in terms of stamina stats, it's rather that it sucks at blocking compared to most other melees
ebon nymph
@strong gulch im here to be a funny wizard guy, if my wizardry is only as deep as the Dome and the sparkles then i have failed as the supreme archwizard of the Rejects
half plover
maybe its due to the weapon being available at level 2, but the push feels like the cone is rather smaller than most melees
strong gulch
<@417891087500312576> im here to be a funny wizard guy, if my wizardry is only a...
Gotcha gotcha
spice veldt
the efficient push angle should be pretty good and it should also have a ~10% longer push radius unless that also got nerfed
half plover
idk it feels rather narrow compared to a chainsword or axe
strong gulch
The push attack is single target if that's what you mean.
strong gulch
If the floor is made or hordes and you don't want to be in a particular spot, you can just go to where you want with for sword pushes. You say move and they do.
jovial juniper
Sea splitter
strong gulch
Push attack also hits weak spots for some reason.
ebon nymph
Anyways, what should my talent tree look like now, without removing Dome and Smite
analog agate
It should look like smite and flaming venting shriek or dome with assail/bb
broken carbon
Anyways, what should my talent tree look like now, without removing Dome and Smi...
what build do you want
ebon nymph
It should look like smite and flaming venting shriek or dome with assail/bb
Why not shield and smite so i can protect my babies and stun the goobers running at us
ebon nymph
what build do you want
^
broken carbon
wha
ebon nymph
I made a godawful tree when trying to switch out my staff for the bolt pistol or some other gun that can deal with targets from inside my shield or fucking up bigger guys
broken carbon
Why not shield and smite so i can protect my babies and stun the goobers running...
smite sucks
smite and shield especially suck
ebon nymph
smite sucks
I know ive never liked that game
broken carbon
shield is fine
ebon nymph
smite and shield especially suck
Whycome?
broken carbon
Whycome?
smite is best with venting shriek, gives you significantly more damage output and stun time
the fire will kill all chaff
ebon nymph
smite is best with venting shriek, gives you significantly more damage output an...
I mean i get that, i have the Flame and Shriek smite build but I like being able to protect my homies on a objective
broken carbon
killing is better than protection usually
ebon nymph
Or holding down a position
broken carbon
what difficulty do you play on?
ebon nymph
killing is better than protection usually
Very 40k mindset, but my friends do both zealots and they arent in here or knowledgeable about making builds
ebon nymph
what difficulty do you play on?
I sit pretty at 3, im more casual but i like testing my limits slowly
I just gotta get my boys up to where im at so we can move forward as one
broken carbon
I sit pretty at 3, im more casual but i like testing my limits slowly
so then your problem right now is skill and experience
honestly at 3, any build can and will work plenty fine
im not insulting u or anything btw
just u need more time
ebon nymph
honestly at 3, any build can and will work plenty fine
Not on the new map with Swagger, we get our shit rocked by ragers, poxbursters, and bulwarks galore
ebon nymph
Yes, i dont seem to be doing enough with my Blaze Force Sword (im usually so pressured by the insanity around me that I dont feel i have enough breathing room for the buff and swing)
broken carbon
illisi?
ebon nymph
Ive tried assail and its availed me little
broken carbon
illisi you only really want to do like
one charged attack
then just light spam for hordes
broken carbon
one charged attack
charged heavy*
ebon nymph
What if its a moshpit of all the above
broken carbon
mixed hordes
you just kinda do the same
illisi is really strong
with uncanny and slaughterer mixed hordes get mulched
ebon nymph
Im doing 192 with my force sword in the meat grinder on rager
broken carbon
with a light or heavy
ebon nymph
453 on headshot heavy
broken carbon
that sounds about right
broken carbon
453 on headshot heavy
loading the psykanium one sec
ebon nymph
Its definitely more than one swing for a rager at this difficulty
ebon nymph
Then i guess its a slight skill and mental cramping thing
ebon nymph
For sure
broken carbon
send me pictures of ur build if u dont mind
ebon nymph
rate my psyker, its not complete and just a hodgepodge of things I thought I wou...
Its all right here @broken carbon
buoyant maple
What if its a moshpit of all the above
Heavy spam
buoyant maple
Get enough kills then spam powered H1
broken carbon
upgrade the illisi
buoyant maple
With malefic + DD stacks up it kills just about everything
ebon nymph
get rid of the bolt pistol
Already did, subbed it for the Voidstrike staff since someone told me to use maccabian
buoyant maple
Also @broken carbon dm
ebon nymph
I wanna feel like a wizard more than 66% of the time
broken carbon
Already did, subbed it for the Voidstrike staff since someone told me to use mac...
get rid of mind in motion
warm rain
i was out for a couple of months and now gun psyker feels like ass
what did fartshark do to disrupt destiny?
buoyant maple
I wanna feel like a wizard more than 66% of the time
A good mage must first be proficient in dealing physical damage
ebon nymph
I kinda want deflector cause its a funny thingy
ebon nymph
A good mage must first be proficient in dealing physical damage
Sounds counterproductive but ight
jovial juniper
i was out for a couple of months and now gun psyker feels like ass
what did fart...
Buffed it
ebon nymph
get rid of mind in motion
What else
strong gulch
i was out for a couple of months and now gun psyker feels like ass
what did fart...
buffed it
jovial juniper
Apparently if you DC you don't get the 10 seconds
ebon nymph
@broken carbon wait… should i put wildfire on this if i want more value from Smite even if its not the most effective/viable?
broken carbon
<@265332960792805378> wait… should i put wildfire on this if i want more value f...
wildfire sucks
it doesnt work the way u think it does
it spreads a max of 4 stacks
so an enemy with 4 stacks that dies
4 enemies near it will get 1 stack
strong gulch
is there a bug with lingering influence? it seems to not work
Visual bug with DD. Your stacks are there.
late sapphire
max of 4 stacks up to 4 stacks
strong gulch
Wild fire is VERY specific in were it has good use. Generally not worth the point.
flint aspen
Visual bug with DD. Your stacks are there.
Its not just Psyker specific, even Ogryn's Heavy Hitter have the same visual bug too
stiff falcon
i was out for a couple of months and now gun psyker feels like ass
what did fart...
Buff it for some unknown reason
ebon nymph
wildfire sucks
fair enough, but any other fire feats for my psychic stuff to build on smite?
broken carbon
fair enough, but any other fire feats for my psychic stuff to build on smite?
creeping flames
and perilous combustionm
thats kinda it
ebon nymph
and what else other than mind in motion should i change
broken carbon
unfortunately
broken carbon
and what else other than mind in motion should i change
take perilous combustion
its in the first section on the left
and take true aim
which is on the way to disrupt destiny
strong gulch
On PC (aka perilous combustion). It scales with elite and special density. The thicker the packs, the more it does.
strong gulch
What's the build looking like now?
strong gulch
⬆️
broken carbon
i can send u my assail void strike build if youd like
ebon nymph
What's the build looking like now?
2 more points
ebon nymph
i can send u my assail void strike build if youd like
go ahead if youd like
ebon nymph
👍
strong gulch
warp rider
broken carbon
go ahead if youd like
strong gulch
If you are not investing in EP smite, there is little reason to take the upgrades.
broken carbon
this build is really OP
and is how i deal consistently 650k + damage in pubs
its also the build i almost got a million damage with
strong gulch
I use the same tree as Meow for void.
ebon nymph
DAMN
broken carbon
I play Rashad and do that
rashad is also OP lmfao
stiff falcon
Oh yeah
broken carbon
look back at me using it n saying its fucking braindead
stiff falcon
Rashad is zealot meta
broken carbon
its so BORRINGG
broken carbon
its what i used to get my rangedbackstabs