psyker-class

[verbal thistle]

Psyker gaming

[wide maple]

no pants gaming

[potent echo]

EP doesn't refund for specials though?

Only elites

[wide maple]

pish posh, its a holdover from my youth on L4D

anything that isnt basic trash is a special

[potent echo]

Skibiddi

[scarlet timber]

Guys

I'm happy

Obscurus is cracked now

Been running this

Build

I loved it

With scrykers gaze obviously

[broken carbon]

how

isnt the moveset still really bad

[scarlet timber]

Block cancel

It's the horde clear combo that's bad

[broken carbon]

ah

[scarlet timber]

Single target is cracked

So you do light heavy block cancel

For horde

For single target its just heavy light light

[broken carbon]

like deimos level or

[potent echo]

Can't beat Deimos flinging crushers around

[scarlet timber]

Do you have a dejmos ?

[potent echo]

Also doesn't have Deimos's cracked L1

[scarlet timber]

Can you post its heavy damage ?

[broken carbon]

its like

[scarlet timber]

L3

[broken carbon]

1k

on a weakspot hit its around 900-1000

[potent echo]

L3 needs you to H1 > L2 > L3

[broken carbon]

baseline

[scarlet timber]

That's

Obscurus h1

[scarlet timber]

That's literally reverse version of obscurus combo 🤣

[potent echo]

It's close but Deimos is still stronger by abit but slightly harder to get to but also not really

[scarlet timber]

Hmm

[potent echo]

The CC from Deimos H2 is really unparalleled though

[scarlet timber]

It got better horde clear though ( even though you need to block cancel yes I know...)

H2 is identical to elisi h2

[potent echo]

Horde clear I do the H2 loop

I think it's H2 plus 2 lights

It's okay

[scarlet timber]

Light 1 h2 can't get l1 again unfrotunely it goes to l3 so you need to block cancel...

[potent echo]

I think adding the l3 is still better than cancelling imo

[scarlet timber]

It's a single target poke tbf

It does no horde clear

[potent echo]

Cancelling also loses time

[scarlet timber]

Ehh you damn if you do damn if you don't

Still

Now it works

[potent echo]

I rather just throw a L3 out there

[scarlet timber]

All they have to do to fix it fully is

To remove l3

After h2

[potent echo]

They need to add L3 to chain after H1

Goated weapon

And L1 to chain after H2

Done

[scarlet timber]

You just want it to be a reverse deimos xD

Fine fine

Although

It still can't beat DS 4

[potent echo]

The moral of the story is

Remove L2

[scarlet timber]

That shit hits harder than deimos

[broken carbon]

for some reason darktide doesnt like running in fullscreen alongside minecraft in the background

[potent echo]

DS4 doesn't hit harder than Deimos

Maybe on crits

[scarlet timber]

Yeah it does though

Let find it

[potent echo]

It doesn't oneshot mutants

Deimos does

On noncrit for both

[scarlet timber]

I see maybe

I still know DS4 got higher boss damage

From what I remember

[potent echo]

Idk if special chain is better or worse for bosses

I usually try to get a few light activations here and there

[scarlet timber]

But anyway all I wanted to say is you aren't throwing anymore

If you bring obscurus

[potent echo]

Obscurus was always fine

It's like bringing a default shovel on vet

[scarlet timber]

Finally has a reason to exist

[broken carbon]

yah

[scarlet timber]

Being a bastard child of deimos and elissi

[broken carbon]

worse

its better to just spam your single target attacks

[potent echo]

Probably yea L1 H2

[broken carbon]

yarp

[scarlet timber]

H1 l2 l3 osbucurs

[broken carbon]

the activated attacks tend to be notably worse for damage and dps

theyre only really good for the stagger

[potent echo]

Activated attacks are nice for stacking uncanny/executor at the start

And stagger yea

Also for non headshot mutants kills etc

[scarlet timber]

I have one shot muties before

With obscurus h1

[potent echo]

Was it a crit

[scarlet timber]

Probably cuz of scryers gaze

[potent echo]

Oh gaze yea

[scarlet timber]

Anyway laspistol obscurus gonna be

My gun psyker build now

[potent echo]

Gaming

[scarlet timber]

Yeah also laspistol is so busted man

Specially with scryer

I killed a beast of nurgle in like 15 seconds

[hardy raft]

i stilll like to use ciag

[silent socket]

It’s nice that the Psyker now has proper armored leggings…

Instead of pants with a knee pad….

[hardy raft]

the new 2900?

[silent socket]

You mean the enforcer set? Yeah that’s the one-

Has proper knee pads and everything instead of…

pants

[hardy raft]

idk i like pants

like you have a fancy flak vest

and just normal prisoner pants

makes them look like they are prisoners armed for the meatgrinder lol

[potent echo]

I hate that the prisoner shoes are just metal plates taped onto the foot like no way those are staying on

[wide maple]

Alright lads, since we're talking fashion, find me something to go with the krieg jacket

everything is either too dark or clips horrifically

and I hate the standard krieg pants

[potent echo]

I really like the rogue trader leggings

[wide maple]

nvm, mind witch's service raiment pants

[hardy raft]

i pick the white penance pants cause it looks like you are ghoooooost

[wide maple]

I'm not a ghost!

I'm the only thing that's real in this dream!

[hardy raft]

dead man walking

[strong gulch]

[hollow current]

just join a match, kill two mooks then leave

[hearty oak]

Don't even, just kill two people on the mourningstar and say they were worshipping nurgle during break

no correlation whatsoever to when the contract was completed

[strong gulch]

Caught huffing nurgle goo

[river zodiac]

is the a psykernomicon i can send to my buddy for builds?

[potent echo]

Yes

Check pins

[river zodiac]

nice, is there any basic recommended builds in there for someone who just got lvl 30 on psyker? idrk the char much i play ogryn

[lethal lagoon]

Surge staff is easy to roll and use.

You want flak as one of the perks, and then warp flurry and warp nexus as the blessings.

Just spam the RMB on the staff and spam shriek.

You want horde clear on melee just in case, so Illusis force sword is the obvious option

Use shriek at above 85% peril so that it will kill every non-elite in this area.

That should be about it

[lethal lagoon]

^

You have smite as a panic button as well, just don't spam it.

[river zodiac]

preciate it ill send the info

[potent echo]

Is smite really a panic button

I feel that it works horribly if you're surrounded

[lethal lagoon]

Do I need to post the clip again

[potent echo]

Ideally you start smiting before you are panicking

[lethal lagoon]

Yeah that is actually a good point though

[potent echo]

If you're already getting banged by 5 ragers I don't think smite is gonna save

[lethal lagoon]

Who needs saving?

[analog agate]

It’s a predicted panic

[lethal lagoon]

A PP if you will

[potent echo]

Smol PP

[lethal lagoon]

average

[analog agate]

I PP all the time

[lethal lagoon]

This is the most proper brain off use of smite

I wish I recorded more of my brain off moments, so I can compile a libaray of "smite needs a rework".

[cosmic sigil]

i don't ever bother doing that combo, with slaughterer light or heavy spam is enough

[lethal lagoon]

Are we back to Obscrusus is kinda good but you have to cancel like a crack addict?

[rich jolt]

Seems fair to me : )

[potent echo]

Don't remind me of those L1 macro players

Fumbling with their macros and dying to 2 dreg shooters

[radiant yew]

Is melee psyker a possibility

[jovial juniper]

Not optimal but doable

[potent echo]

Melee psyker is gunker but you bring a shit gun

And no assail

Autopistol brainburst psyker

[strong gulch]

I know my brain turned off tonight. I forgor about the peril mechanic.... TWICE in a mission.

[lethal lagoon]

Was my 3 wounds comment prophetic?

[strong gulch]

I had bad brains already. Maybe I should do it tho. I'll just heal back up.

Imagine peril explosion getting stronger with more corruption.

Let yourself get eaten by bon bon and then single tap both you and bon bon

[potent echo]

Independence day

[lethal lagoon]

Peril explosion should kill bon bon(if you get vored)

It's such a harmless but fun addition.

[haughty star]

on todays episode of hadron gon' grief me

[potent echo]

Reading the forum post for once and there are some decent opinions there

[haughty star]

i just ran into a domer running a fucking gun

in auric heresy

[potent echo]

What's wrong with dome gun

It's pretty comfortable

The only way psykers can avoid suppression

[haughty star]

literally awful

dome surge

[wicked hearth]

My beloved say's it's actually a valuable strategy, If you know how to use it

[potent echo]

If I go zarona I use dome

Like what value are you getting out of gaze zarona

[haughty star]

there's no play there tho

like nothing buffs anything it's just you a guy with a dome and a gun

[potent echo]

No play where

[haughty star]

like

there's nothing there to buff the gun

unless you run dd

[potent echo]

Zarona doesn't need buffs

Also DD is all you need

[wicked hearth]

My beloved say's that zarona is nice.

[haughty star]

yes zarona is a nice gun

but not a strat lol

[wicked hearth]

What is dd?

[potent echo]

How is that not a strat

[haughty star]

15 percent finesse damage is your strat?

kinda lame strat

[potent echo]

It's not 15%?

[wicked hearth]

Isnt having an effective gun a valuable strategy?

[haughty star]

dome with surge and warp charges works so much better

[potent echo]

Also numbers don't win games

Ok now you lost me

[haughty star]

It's in your heart, kid

[wind spruce]

Automatic disqualifier from criticising anyone's build

[wicked hearth]

My beloved say's He Likes you

[haughty star]

Lol i shop by condition my guy who gives a fuck about which auric you doing

[wind spruce]

Who gives a fuck what combat ability a gun psyker is using

[haughty star]

i suppose you have proof you only ever play on damnation auric?

yeah

ya don't

so shut the fuck up

[wind spruce]

Yes I do

Literally hundreds of scoreboards

[haughty star]

literally impossible to prove lol

[wind spruce]

What a moronic angle to take

Just sit down

[haughty star]

because there's literally a whole ass ability for gun psyker

[wind spruce]

They are running a revolver, genius, it already one shots most stuff

[haughty star]

the guy i was criticizing was not

so shut the fuck up you moron lol

literally just out here picking fights to pick fights

[wind spruce]

Why on earth didn't you give us more info then

THATS WHAT YOU'RE DOING

Lmao

Just grow the fuck up and stop bitching about other people's builds

[haughty star]

right

shut the fuck up bitch boi

[wind spruce]

Of course I'm going to just antagonise you when you're being a child

[wicked hearth]

No beloved i don't think that conversation is very friendly

[haughty star]

all i ever see you do is start shit

and be negative

like are you that bored with your neckbeard status in this game?

[wind spruce]

You're literally here being negative homie

Neckbeard lmfao

Today, on cringy, outdated insults

[haughty star]

yeah it's that fuzz on yo fat ass neck

[wind spruce]

Enjoy your heresy runs homie

[haughty star]

sick burn, bro

[wind spruce]

I'm sure you're not the one holding the team back

[haughty star]

that hurts fr

ong

no cap

homie

[wind spruce]

Cringe

[split lance]

when going gunker

whats main form of cc

[haughty star]

illisi

[wind spruce]

Killing

[wicked hearth]

I mean you attacked him Here on a personal Level after He stated His oppinion

[haughty star]

[split lance]

i thought so

[haughty star]

shut the fuck up young blood

[wind spruce]

HAHAHAAH NO

[lethal lagoon]

This reminds me of when I made fun of a support psyker for complaining their team wasn't doing enough

[wind spruce]

Fucking yikes dude

[haughty star]

die mad homie

[split lance]

can you roast him after you gimme an answer pls

[wind spruce]

Dude your horrific takes are hilarious

[lethal lagoon]

They came on here to complain about their teammates, thinking they'd get support.

it did not go that way

[wind spruce]

You don't have cc on gunker

[haughty star]

you mad bro

[wicked hearth]

Rude. Thats why my beloved say's to never come Here.
I have my hours on Tertium thank you

[wind spruce]

Run assail if you want to control ragers and specialists

[split lance]

yhea im running assail

[wind spruce]

But other than that, the "CC" you have is from raw damage

[haughty star]

or ya know

[lethal lagoon]

Why would you literally ever run auric heresy btw?

There's no purpose

[haughty star]

literally the weapon designed for cc

the illisi

[wind spruce]

HAHAHHAHA

It's not designed for cc

What are you fkn talking about

[haughty star]

i just shop by condition and map

[hardy raft]

me with true aim:

[haughty star]

true aim isn't real

[wicked hearth]

My beloved say's there are coin hungry ppl, and ppl who want to prove theyre a man

[lethal lagoon]

I don't see an auric heresy having a higher success rate or taking less time, it also gives less coin.

[hardy raft]

https://tenor.com/view/ultra-kill-coin-peaches-peach-v1-gif-1836948023084674502

[split lance]

right is current. is this worth rolling?

[lethal lagoon]

No, the right one is good, just swap rampage for uncanny

[haughty star]

i can carry a pub heresy auric easier and alot of times there are higher paying missions and/or it's on a map i feel like playing on

[wind spruce]

Nah tbf I attacked him on a personal level first because he came in here criticising someone for a perfectly valid build

[hardy raft]

your current one is near perfect, just needs uncanny in either one of them

[split lance]

so i dont have uncanny, do i buy it just to eat it?

[haughty star]

ngl dude the boomer ass clown emojis really hurt

i thought we were getting somewhere

[hardy raft]

lvl2 uncanny is better than nothing

[lethal lagoon]

I mean it's blue so might as well

That's just gold right?

No melkies

[split lance]

yes

[lethal lagoon]

Are clown emotes boomer?

[haughty star]

if you have to ask

[lethal lagoon]

I thought they were discovered in the last couple years on steam?

[hardy raft]

https://tenor.com/view/fat-run-food-running-boomer-gif-13971052

[wind spruce]

They aren't remotely boomer

[lethal lagoon]

People started giving clown emotes the last couple years on steam.

[haughty star]

i feel like any emoji on a keyboard is boomer

[wind spruce]

He has consistently garbage takes on everything

[lethal lagoon]

And then they got more popular

[split lance]

but my thought was, if its blue, and it already has uncanny, rolling it could make it better than current

[haughty star]

yo moms clit tastes like garbage but i power through

[split lance]

i dont think you know what a clit tastes like, let alone his mothers

[wind spruce]

Your mum jokes are much closer to boomer territory than a fucking clown emoji lmao

[lethal lagoon]

I don't think giving someone's old mom head is a diss?

That's like a very specific self own

[wind spruce]

Do this @split lance

[haughty star]

i like how you mad cuz i called you a boomer for using clown emojis

[hardy raft]

groaners is terrible so idk

pen being low is fine cause uncanny

[wind spruce]

Dude it's so cringe to keep assuming I'm mad

You're embarrassing yourself

[split lance]

so i rolled anyway

[hardy raft]

you can try your luck but i wouldnt

[lethal lagoon]

Compared to earlier, I'd say he's pretty calm on the clown emotes

[hardy raft]

yeah just extract uncanny

jesus

[lethal lagoon]

So that's a weird one

[hardy raft]

rip

or if you can hold on

just hold on until itemization

[haughty star]

imagine non ironically using the word cringe

literal boomer

[split lance]

yea ig

[hardy raft]

probably can fix everything on it and make it great

[lethal lagoon]

Yeah, wasted your money there, shoulda grabbed the uncanny

[split lance]

haha yea

only t2

[wind spruce]

Cringe

[lethal lagoon]

[haughty star]

literally malding and seething.

so easy to set off

[hardy raft]

insert wreck it ralph cringe/based meme shit

[haughty star]

so frail

[wind spruce]

Literally laughing at you, lil homie

[haughty star]

prolly beating your wife or your cousin or whatever it is you flop around on top of

[split lance]

bro

[haughty star]

[split lance]

stop embarrassing yourself on discord of all places

[haughty star]

he said lil homie

what is this san andreas

[lethal lagoon]

"so easy to set off"

[wind spruce]

I was being condescending

Because you are pathetic

[split lance]

thats a big word for lil bro

[haughty star]

"You are pathetic"

it hurts so bad

[wind spruce]

True

[lethal lagoon]

I mean it seems like it does indeed hurt?

[haughty star]

na i just like pissing boomers off and he eatin it up lol

[wind spruce]

Bazerkers are always mad

Checkmate

[split lance]

are your hands shaking while typing?

[haughty star]

i don't know what that feels like

care to explain for us?

boomers, man

[lethal lagoon]

You'd unironically be terrified if some 60 year old man yelled at you in public.

[wind spruce]

Not as much as my old boomer hands 🥲

[lethal lagoon]

[split lance]

ill hold them pookie

[haughty star]

we know

[lethal lagoon]

[wind spruce]

Enjoying the pile on, sweetie?

[split lance]

ill hold yours too

[wind spruce]

FRENS

[lethal lagoon]

[split lance]

tren is almost the size of an ogryn

lots of tren to go around

[haughty star]

imma leave that one alone

[wind spruce]

Tren looks swol ngl

[split lance]

im a powerlifter

so fat as fuck too

[wind spruce]

Random question, do you reckon it's true that protein needs to be consumed with carbs to be properly absorbed

[lethal lagoon]

Insulin is indeed a popular bodybuilder drug at the highest level

So to some degree, but obviously it's not needed.

[split lance]

i just eat man

[lethal lagoon]

Because everything generates insulin to some degree

[wicked hearth]

Yes beloved i do find it hilarious too

[near wyvern]

I gotta look into it. Most likely the change you feel is due to the close range change, they increased the close range from 8m to 12.5m so the damage starts to fall off a lot later

[split lance]

people thatt make stuff that complicated are not people to be arounf

[near wyvern]

Direct damage that is

[haughty star]

Don't kink shame

[wind spruce]

Sage advice

[haughty star]

Never really understood the whole preworkout regiments and all that nonsense either. Kinda sounds like heart disease in powder form

[lethal lagoon]

[wicked hearth]

I don't i Just found that comment great

[split lance]

"eat big, get big"

is very much a perfect statement

eat your bw in protein everyday and see what happens

youll likely not be overeating by much

and if you are, guess what, its just gonna make you huge

[split lance]

[haughty star]

most people in here are far too sendentiary for that to be good advice for lol

[lethal lagoon]

? Eh, lots of people replaced their WoW addictions with gym ones

[wind spruce]

Yeah that's my primary nutrition rule atm

[split lance]

unironically, i got so addicted to r6 siege i gained so much weight

and warframe

[wind spruce]

Literally

[split lance]

different times tho

[wind spruce]

And also why I one trick games

Because if I start new ones they replace gym

[split lance]

not even gonna lie, i be at the gym sometimes wanting to come home to play this game

[lethal lagoon]

Me and my home gym because covid made me too paranoid

[wind spruce]

Understandable

[lethal lagoon]

Also the ringworm. The one time I got ringworm was not great.

[proud mantle]

tried out the smite build

[split lance]

i wrestled in hs, took 2 years to get it, then after that got it quite frequently

[wind spruce]

https://tenor.com/view/beneathpttr-waterphone-exitthepremises-pttr-beneath-gif-20023522

[lethal lagoon]

It can be such a bitch to finally get rid of it completely.

[haughty star]

after you get your build right it's pretty easy to get back to where you were at

took me years to bulk up tho

[split lance]

i used to home gym a lot too, i got my best ohp in my best lifts in my home gym lol

[wind spruce]

I cannot home gym

I tried during covid

[proud mantle]

altho i will say if it wasnt for teh bubble psyker we woulda died a lot

[wind spruce]

But I just can't get in the mindset at home

[split lance]

my home gym was rough i was taping dumbells to the bar to do deadlifts

[split lance]

i feel this

[lethal lagoon]

I'm definitely fatter with the home gym, I cannot be motivated to do cardio without fancy machines. My bench degraded quite a bit too cause I'm just too paranoid to go anywhere near failure.

Thankfully I'm not "fat", but there is concern cause I did get fat at one point.

[stiff falcon]

How long was this mission

[wind spruce]

It happens

[split lance]

the fear of failure will boost you to get that rep. but assuming your bench form isnt terrible it shouldnt end up anywhere near your throat

[stiff falcon]

melee only or 40 min plus

[wind spruce]

I put on 15kg from meds I was on

Still working it back off

[lucid terrace]

6 hours

[lethal lagoon]

Nah, man you never know what accidents can happen when you are alone in a basement.

It's mostly paranoia, but still.

[haughty star]

SSRIs?

[split lance]

dont use collars so you can tilt the bar

i used to lift alone at 4am

you got this bro

[lethal lagoon]

Same, it still feels different 100% alone

[split lance]

yea

[wind spruce]

Seroquil, much worse

[lethal lagoon]

It's not a logic thing.

Also anyone that uses clips for bench is a pyschopath.

[haughty star]

SSRIs got me packing on a lil bit

[split lance]

if im doing a lot of reps i usually use clips

[lethal lagoon]

[stiff falcon]

base gyms

[proud mantle]

36 min

[wind spruce]

What are clips

[proud mantle]

carnival mission so kinda long

[split lance]

does it make it better if its a decent amount of weight

[stiff falcon]

that explains it

[lethal lagoon]

Like little holdy boys you put at the end of the bar so the plates don't move.

[wind spruce]

OH

[lethal lagoon]

For me the plates don't really move on anything above 225.

So I dunno. Kinda makes it worse.

[split lance]

on anything above 350 one side might lag behind

[lethal lagoon]

Ah

[split lance]

so i dont want the plates to shift at all

[lethal lagoon]

Yeah that makes it better.

[split lance]

or if im doing like 3 plates for reps, the last reps are possibly shotty and lobsided so if the plates slide even a lil bit it can cause massive issues

did a 6x8 at the end of a meso a month ago and after the 3rd(ish) set, the bar was never even

[stiff falcon]

https://tenor.com/view/zyzz-gif-24316331

[wind spruce]

puns.

[lethal lagoon]

[haughty star]

i just ain't got time for that bullshit lol nursing keeps me hella busy and when i'm off shift it's all about the kiddos and my motorcycle addiction

i get to deadlift people tho so i guess that's cool

[split lance]

i currently have a cologne addiction

[lethal lagoon]

The nursing mention made me read that as colon.

[stiff falcon]

lmfaooooooooooooooooooooooooo

[split lance]

ew

[haughty star]

hey odn't kink shame

[lethal lagoon]

I'm not sure what a colon addiction entails, but I've googled enough things in my day.

And I've had enough.

[split lance]

yea

no need to google that

[wind spruce]

I read that as entrails

[split lance]

but fr fr

[lethal lagoon]

🤢

[split lance]

i have spent WAY too much on colognes recently

if yall need some recs lmk lmk

[haughty star]

i just use the ones the wife gives me for holidays

[split lance]

i dont have a wife yet

[tired estuary]

Using pre-buff obscurus

[haughty star]

i like the yellowstone one

mixes well with outdoorsey stuff which is most of what i spend my time on outside of work

[lethal lagoon]

"Pre-buff" is redundent in that sentence.

[split lance]

lol

[wind spruce]

I thought you were saying earlier it was good now

[stiff falcon]

if i hate the damnation maps and don't feel like mmting a solo 3veg

[lethal lagoon]

I was asking if it was. And if that required crack addict level canceling.

Like before.

[haughty star]

i like the obscurus a lil bit but probably just cuz it's different and i have a literally perfect one

[tired estuary]

Its at least okay now idk

[wind spruce]

So what sort of damage is that new heavy doing

What we talking

[lethal lagoon]

Apprently 90% of deimos, but I will literally never test it.

[haughty star]

like deimos damage

one taps muties i'm p sure

which isn't like

a huge break point

but it is one

[lethal lagoon]

I like that I can't search for comments I've made about the obscrusus cause I've spelt it differently every single time.

[haughty star]

obasl;kdjfsus

[split lance]

just call it

obscussy

[haughty star]

yes

[lethal lagoon]

It has to earn an ussy

[haughty star]

the holy obscussy

[lethal lagoon]

Not be given one

[haughty star]

[lethal lagoon]

Have you been running it?

[tired estuary]

A few times in maelstrom, its been fine. Idk if actually better than deimos or smth but its no longer cbt without a safe word like tactical axe on psyker

[lethal lagoon]

[lethal lagoon]

That's a strong but accurate metaphor for obscurus

Do you have any desire to use it over deimos or illy?

[haughty star]

i've been using it a lil bit and it's kinda working like it was supposed to

a middle ground between deimos and illusssy

[lethal lagoon]

Illussy

[wind spruce]

Tac Axe psyker be fun af tho

[lethal lagoon]

Fun for the heretics.

[wind spruce]

My taxe turns them into lunch meat

[haughty star]

but for the most part i have 0 ambition to use deimos becuz ds4 and illisi is just good for what it's for. a in between spot doesn't really have much weight imo

[wind spruce]

Which reminds me I need to try the mk 7 again

[wind spruce]

I could never get around the deimos

[haughty star]

unless they make it reliably eviscerate pretty much everything in one shot it will always be outshined by DS

imo

[wind spruce]

Yep, just a slow DS

[haughty star]

other than the fact that you can have deflector, which usually ends up hurting you more than helping you

now that i've wordvomited that

why doesn't it just eviscerate everything

the mk15 pretty much does

what gives

not that that would be a fix but it deffo would make it more appealling as a grab. like a ds4 for 3 heads

[tired estuary]

I like using anything over illisi mostly b/c that weapon's gotten really boring for me lol

[lethal lagoon]

When I get bored of Illy and d4 I just stop using melee

[haughty star]

it's just such a easy "yes" button for general horde flattening

[tired estuary]

ooh let me choose between uhh, my many horizontal attacks or powering up said horizontal attacks, so exciting

[haughty star]

i suppose you could use devils claw but i typically try to stick with char specific weapons

[lethal lagoon]

Play in 3rd person

3rd person(actual) movesets are really funny/fun to use.

[haughty star]

at least it feels nice. deimos just doesn't "feel" good

[lethal lagoon]

Deimos is wonky to me too

[tired estuary]

yeah idk deimos feels fine to me, I think that part is generally subjective

maybe I should give 3p a fair shot idk...

[haughty star]

my taste in dclaw is quite opposite, i actually like the mkvii and detest the mkiv

well actually i detest all dclaws but can't deny their function as a weapon

[lethal lagoon]

3rd person melee is pretty challenging, 3rd person Surge staff usage is an arcade game

[haughty star]

my least favorite "feeling" weapon in the game is probably PS. just feels like melee actions in a fps title made for ps1

[haughty star]

3rd person Zarona

https://tenor.com/view/spirituality-mind-meditation-meditate-breathe-gif-15933057

[lethal lagoon]

It's actually not hard to aim

This game is FPS lite

Even in 3rd person

I remember specfically grabbing a sniper across the map in 3rd person when I was running mostly melee 3rd person zealot

Dagger zealot is another one that feels arcadey in 3rd person raher than hard.

[haughty star]

only thing i don't like about zarona is it has one useful camo, most of them ruin the sights but the red one from the ordo dockets cosmetic store gives it a hella good sight

[lethal lagoon]

The 3rd person mod can auto switch based on weapon, but I didn't like the perspective shift.

[lethal lagoon]

Not me modding a laser sight.

[haughty star]

i would very much like for space marine 2 to have similar combat so i can bury this game before i cross 400 hours

nah i don't hate it that much but it's pretty much just a copium fix for me not having a new borderlands game yet

[lethal lagoon]

You shall literally never find a game with better FPS pve combat.

[haughty star]

than darktide?

[lethal lagoon]

Yeah

[haughty star]

ehhh

i like the ebb and flow of bl3 better tbh

[lethal lagoon]

Add in melee, and that's just objective.

You can argue ranged combat.

You can't argue it with the melee

[haughty star]

i forced myself to be proficient at mellee games because of this stupid game so not much of a loss there lol

the whole can't out run anything even tho you're faster thing kinda bothers me too

like the 12 meter bruiser swipes just because you zigged when you shoulda zagged or whatever

[lethal lagoon]

3rd person is actually pretty good at breaking that illusion.

Gives you a better sense of range of everything.

For when you play 1st person again

I do get what you mean though

[haughty star]

borderlands 4 was officially comfirmed last month tho so warhammer games just have to get me through the next year of my life

[lethal lagoon]

I dunno if the last game gave me a lot of faith for BL4

Or did you just erase it from your mind?

[haughty star]

i heavily enjoyed the endgame content of bl3

[lethal lagoon]

Damn, wiped it right out.

I'm jealous.

[haughty star]

the powercreep was my only real complaint other than that it was pretty solid

[lethal lagoon]

Just straight up, the last game doesn't exist to you.

[haughty star]

mayhem system was prolly the best endgame they've had yet imo

oh you mean tiny tinas?

i kinda view that as like the presequel

like

it's a bl title but not really

[lethal lagoon]

But I mean it was the same team, right?

[haughty star]

idk i watched it to see if it had any meaningful or rewarding engame and didn't touch it when i found out it didn't really lol

[lethal lagoon]

As much as I wasn't a fan, I actually kinda hope they add some form of magic to bl4.

I'm too much a mage player

Whole reason I bought it

[haughty star]

i mean objectively there's always been a psyker

[lethal lagoon]

You could main magic in wonderlands, like just not use your gun 95% of the time.

[haughty star]

phase locking everything in the room and exploding it along with everyone's frame rates was pretty magical to me in bl3

[lethal lagoon]

There were magical abilities and then spells that basically dropped like guns.

Some were pretty wild

It was hella annoying to get crazy RNG magic on a non-mage though

[haughty star]

yeah my buddies dual wielding spells i guess in lieu of having a combat ability?

[cosmic sigil]

I have a question for native speakers

[haughty star]

what kinda native

[lethal lagoon]

I'm a native speaker, but I doubt you can tell that.

[cosmic sigil]

What is the difference between put something on and put on something

If there's any

[haughty star]

depends on the context?

[lethal lagoon]

Put something on can be used for like turning on music in the car.

[split lance]

after having used blaze trauma for so long

[haughty star]

or put on a coat

[split lance]

assail is not feeling so good

[cosmic sigil]

You mean turning music on?

[lethal lagoon]

"Lemme put something on" can be used for turning on music, yeah.

And clothes.

[haughty star]

or in like hood languarge "putting on" is a wholly different thing

[lethal lagoon]

I put on for my city, I put on for my city

[haughty star]

i've been using BB with shield and illisi surge warp charges to mix things up and it's kinda fun

bb isn't like

outright strong

but it can be played well

[lethal lagoon]

After lots of examples in my head, I can't come up with a case where you can use one or the other only.

[split lance]

BB?

[haughty star]

brain burst

[split lance]

oh

yea ive got a bb build

[cosmic sigil]

Because I can say you are turning me on but not really that you are turning on me

[lethal lagoon]

Actually you can.

[haughty star]

turning on you would be like

[lethal lagoon]

Nah, nah, say it slowly.

[cosmic sigil]

I know

[haughty star]

getting angry at you

[cosmic sigil]

But the meaning is very different

[haughty star]

or like an ogryn saying he's getting horny

[lethal lagoon]

"You are turning on me"

[haughty star]

YOU ARE TURNING ON ME

[lethal lagoon]

But yeah typically it means betrayl

[cosmic sigil]

So the meaning is different

But between put smth on and put on smth I cannot find something that I would say in one case and not in the other

[lethal lagoon]

Put something on the counter.
Put on something on the counter.

There finally

The second sentence obviously doesn't work.

[split lance]

could DD work with a Blaze trauma at all or not reall y

[cosmic sigil]

On fuck

You're right

Finally

[haughty star]

how cool would weapons trading be

like

[lethal lagoon]

Bro, my mom(second lang) does this to me all the time.
She'll pronounce something wrong and then ask me for the correct way,
And I'll literally forget how it works.

[haughty star]

i've only ever lived with one second languarge person and that's my panamanian aunt

[lethal lagoon]

Real money weapon's market place.

[haughty star]

for some reason i understand most basic spanish but outside of asking for the bathroom or a beer cannot speak it

[lethal lagoon]

I would actually hate a trading post, cause I probably would have given all my good gear to a noob when I quit the game the first time.

[haughty star]

languages are hard

[lethal lagoon]

Jokes aside, it'd be pretty fun.

I'm fluent in my parent's lang, but only one direction. I can't speak a word but I can understand everything.

[haughty star]

i got mad respect for people who use like romanic languarges and learn english too

[lethal lagoon]

I mean I imagine going from a character language to english would be harder.

[haughty star]

like i can't even learn from latin to latin based

[lethal lagoon]

Or do you mean cause it's easy to mix it up in your head?

[haughty star]

take like boznian/russian for example

there's like

[cosmic sigil]

Well English or French, it's the same for me. I use stuff because it feels right and I have know most of the rules but if I need to explain smth...

[haughty star]

0 commonalities between the languages

[lethal lagoon]

Funny enough, there's a decent amount of commonalities between russian and japanese.

[haughty star]

french to english or spanish is easier because they share the same foundationals kinda

[lethal lagoon]

Oh

Romance languages is stuff like french and spanish

That's why I was confused.

[haughty star]

Like Glagolitic to latin based would be so brutal

whereas learning french to english is fairly easy

or vice versa

[wind spruce]

If you're running assail with it then yeah

But just for your trauma and melee, it's probably not worth it

[split lance]

i see

[lethal lagoon]

true aim can be stacked on melee but doesn't go off on melee, so there's a nice interaction for blaze trauma

Can also use a rending trauam to weaken stuff for assail and melee.

Pretty niche but there are ways to make that build line work with trauma

[wind spruce]

Trauma + assail is incredibly versatile and powerful

[lethal lagoon]

I was referring to the general tree down to DD

Assail is nice for covering Trauma's weaknesses of ranged mobs.

[wind spruce]

I was just speaking generally

[lethal lagoon]

I see good sir

[wind spruce]

Yeah, and can help with specials

[lethal lagoon]

Carry on then

Tallyho, wouldn't want those trappers getting the drop on you.

By good golly gosh they tangle right up in my knickers

[marble crater]

[wind spruce]

Hnnnng

I have two seasons of Vikings: Valhalla to catch up on

What a day to be alive

[lethal lagoon]

So I saw one of these in the store for like $10
https://www.amazon.com/ASNUG-Bladeless-Rechargeable-Personal-Adjustable/dp/B0BL7BBS4N/ref=sr_1_5?crid=20W3S4ZP37HTC&dib=eyJ2IjoiMSJ9.4eJcYav2HA8JKuImA2pKFUWc9bc1lchGtGteXCCiLBtpQAPJIh4oSvtvoucGIhNcNMlZNJmQFB9srGUYG99_maqstc2cQlTc-YgjaAxu8QREM3XgbzjXKNoMzE9u4gf9jIVhJhr6wPzOsbEXbEczphIxxsjSMzpf0KEZPIkdfOQVQsMyGlRugUcYQMBcduR9OYU_C77JJBoUN72YTO_r4JC51pkTvVXJ5V4I3ui6qD2Bc9f_sJrVV9qCHN12vdyP2yjQGqVNkkMbEX7XeCWmpNkkg-2tF1ACOUcTV_KAieI.quIM-2Byf5cyReDHaxRBYoATGGbCTceip4FXv7ophNo&dib_tag=se&keywords=neck+cooling+fan&qid=1720079929&sprefix=neck+cooling+fan%2Caps%2C130&sr=8-5

And I thought huh, that's interesting.

It just looked funny, so why not.

And like it does cool you down.

But in a sort of cold sweat way, like when you are ill.

Like it geniunely simulates cold sweats from having a cold.

It also kinda reminds me of a psyker helmet

Which ironically costs the same price

[tame venture]

you know, i hopped on my psyker for a bit when the patch hit, i bought a random grey hacker and tried using my gunker build

i forget how it went, but how does the hacker fare on psyker?

[wind spruce]

Lmao

[wind spruce]

It's rough imo

I haven't given it enough games yet but it's just a bit shit (atleast on psyker)

[lethal lagoon]

The fuck is the hacker?

[wind spruce]

The new shotgun

[lethal lagoon]

Oh

Yeah I don't like it.

Anything with that slow of a reload time is dookie on scirer's.

I should have known but the idea of SGSG appealed to me too much

[tame venture]

how does the bolt pistol fare for gunker then? i think overall it's a tad weak

and it has a smaller mag with longer reload

oh and for that matter, the shock mauls are pretty good overall, so i assume they're good on psyker too yeah?

[wind spruce]

I cry

[wind spruce]

Yeah I like the shock mauls

[tame venture]

still don't know which maul is worth using

idk what's different

[wind spruce]

Indignatus

Faster attack speed and better move set than the other one

[tame venture]

what's the other one got then?

[lethal lagoon]

My face when I actually expect other marks of a weapon to be useful

I'm not sure actually, it might be useful

[wind spruce]

Slightly better damage per hit

And a h1 vertical

Which is definitely useful

[potent echo]

Does it? I hear they were the same

[proud mantle]

didnt know ogryns could spell smite tbh

[lethal lagoon]

For all my EP braindead smiting, I've only had one person leave in what I believe to be because of annoyence in me smiting.

[true rover]

Indignatus feels closer to a sword and the other is just a oneshot head bonk with little cc ability

[lethal lagoon]

It was on the magi boss map, at the first elevator with the event, I kept the entire horde/elites in the back on the second floor and just killed them.

He watched for a while and then just left.

Unironically, I would not wanna queue with me running EP smite

Thankfully, I've never run into a single person who used EP smite properly.

[true rover]

fortunately most like to not spend most of the game standing still

[lethal lagoon]

Oh no, lots of people like doing that.

They just somehow mess it up

[potent echo]

The same person that scoffs at smite but welcomes peeshout vets

[lethal lagoon]

I think that's more a comment on smite's unqieuness in disrupting the game.

In both of it's extremes.

Whether it's doing no damage and making the enemies unpredictable, or doing too much damage and making the enemies predictable.

[wind spruce]

Maybe you're right actually

[lethal lagoon]

"Maybe" "actually"

Shoring up your defenses

I approve.

[wind spruce]

Well I'm still in the psykhanium

God why do I ever listen to telopots

Classic mistake

[lethal lagoon]

[stiff falcon]

Have you seen my ogryn

It’s Total-smyker-death

[hearty oak]

Mine is "King-assripper"

[marble crater]

What did you listen to that wasn't correct?

[potent echo]

If they made smite invisible maybe people wouldn't care as much

[ornate hamlet]

Psyker just raising their hands and enemies shaking

https://tenor.com/view/black-kid-oh-shit-omg-i-cant-blown-away-gif-10656319

[lethal lagoon]

[indigo heron]

Didnt psyker get any new Toys in the Last Update ?

Or is it Just boltpistol and shockmauls Like vet

[marble crater]

And shotgun

No psyker exclusives

[potent echo]

If they are scoffing at smite it might just be a perceived lack of skill

They need to add DBD minigame skill checks while smiting

[near wyvern]

Yea we did bolt pistol actually performs well with correct build. Shock maul is usable but it suffers from not being able to deal with mutants well I wish it could shock mutants and it would be a very viable choice then. The double barrel shotgun is an under performer, it cannot be used as horde clear due to the ammo limitations on Psyker and it doesn't reliably kill important close range targets either. Bolt pistol is just the better shotgun.

[potent echo]

Do you think they will remove the puncture assail interaction?

DBS seems to be balanced around class talents like vet 15% elite or zealot close range buff to hit elite BPs reliably

[near wyvern]

Definitely, but even without that the bolt pistol is very viable

[near wyvern]

Yeah that's the thing. To one hit reliably you need warp battery loaded full, and at that point you could just be running the bolt pistol and one tap a lot of stuff from ranged, even mutants can be killed in 3 body shots at that point

[potent echo]

Does DD 15% damage do anything or it's just sad

[marble crater]

It does 15% more damage

True aim and the extra crit damage from DD and paired with weapons that want to crit and you are quickly dealing a lot of damage

[round gull]

Why am I doing shit with smite purge

I do no damage with smite

and I can only use surge staff a few time until I get 100% of peril

[potent echo]

You take EP with surge

Not anything else if you actually want to trivialise the game

[round gull]

I was using the left one

;_;

[marble crater]

Surge, Smite and Warp Siphon means you only use smite for that sudden crusher or rager pack that is about to kill your team

Ideally you don't use it at all

[round gull]

ohhh

[marble crater]

If you want to use smite as one of your main weapons you use an entire differnt build

[potent echo]

The only reason you take smite on some builds is just to access the 5% CDR on elite kill node

[wind spruce]

Wait what

Explain

[wind spruce]

Telopots in his day 1 stream

[round gull]

As I see it smite is just a weaker surge staff

[wind spruce]

Smite and surge don't fill the same role

[round gull]

oh

really?

[wind spruce]

Smite is mass CC/aoe

[marble crater]

Are you maybe only using left click smite?

[round gull]

I use the charged smite

[wind spruce]

Surge is CC against a couple of targets and single target damage

[marble crater]

Okay, just checking

[round gull]

I understand

But is there anu way of smite doing real damage,because it does little damage

[marble crater]

EP smite with shriek

Can fully kill ragers

[potent echo]

And also all trash units

[marble crater]

and also your brain

[potent echo]

True

[round gull]

lmao

[potent echo]

Bleed assail

Easiest game

[marble crater]

Your options for surge smite are WS for more shriek spam and almost never using smite, or EP for less shriek and using smite a lot more often

[wind spruce]

Amazing

[lethal lagoon]

Both the highest and lowest damage spammed smite the whole game.

[hardy raft]

tbh idk how to use smite

people steal my elite kills and i die while trying to get a EP charge

[lethal lagoon]

[hardy raft]

and then people wonder why their team is dying

[lethal lagoon]

You are thinking too much

Think less

[hardy raft]

maybe

[wide maple]

anyone got a disrupt destiny build that I can use for the penance?

[rich jolt]

Ermm, what the scallop?

[hardy raft]

just run gunpsyker

[near wyvern]

Excuse me, I disagree with your statement

https://youtu.be/yrOmLUfNMw4

[marble crater]

Very nice

We can agree that's not the norm though right?

[near wyvern]

It pretty much is in Maelstroms, it's surprisingly easy to get an infinite going as long as you have enemies coming. This is one of those builds that sucks ass at lower difficulties but the harder the mission the better it will perform. On Auric maels it tends to scale off the roof.

[marble crater]

I still won't encourage the overuse of smite to new psykers

[near wyvern]

The thing is, now that the dreg ragers are so deadly we are probably going to see a lot more smite spam from players who don't know when to let go off it

My gripe with EP smite is that it discourages the use of smite as a utility tool, which is the strongest part of the blitz.

[marble crater]

[scarlet timber]

@near wyvern are you the legendary writer of psykernomicon?

Or psyker thingy

Or pskyer manual xD

[near wyvern]

A quick AOE stun or a short LMB tap to push that dog or burster or to interrupt that netter or flamer almost instantly should not be overlooked

@scarlet timber if you mean The Atheneum then yes

[thorn cedar]

fuck smykers

[stiff falcon]

Go pull poxbursters into them with the pick axe

[scarlet timber]

This is my build currently on my gun psyker after obscurus rework

Or buff

[near wyvern]

I throw a reverse curve ball at you:
Smykers fuck. A lot.

[thorn cedar]

they can all play with each other

[scarlet timber]

Is that good?

[near wyvern]

Obscurus still has the inferior move set and cannot guarantee one shot mutants on regular H1 without extreme buff stacking.

The pistol looks good, would be nice to have +maniac/+flak/+unyielding on it but the blessings and stats are good.

I would go with DS4 instead. The dodge and mobility on DS4 is now more important than ever so you don't get squished by the dreg rager packs and it requires less extreme buffs to one shot mutants (and you can stun them when you know you are not gonna one shot).

If you absolutely need a force sword, Deimos is the better Obscurus

[scarlet timber]

Oh I see okay although hmm doenst obscurus have better horde clear than mkiv dueling sword ?

Also im just waiting for crafting rework for the pistol 😦

[near wyvern]

The move set on Obscurus is not good for horde clear. You would want Illisi if you are looking for horde clear, Illisi still dispatches mutants in reasonable time, a bit slower than Obscurus, Deimos and DS4 ofc.

[marble crater]

Dueling sword 4 has great horde clear on gunker if you use gaze

[near wyvern]

DS4 horde clear is ok, if you use Gaze it becomes a monster for horde clear when you have uncanny and shred on it.

[cosmic sigil]

Using gaze for horde clear is sadge

[scarlet timber]

I see okay

Tbf it its aids to do light heavy block cancel with obscurus but having slaughterer as a blessing helps alot

[near wyvern]

DS4 horde combo is basically spam lights and keep dodging, throw in a couple push attacks to reset dodges and continue spamming lights

[scarlet timber]

Dueling sword 2 meant to be the horde clear one I believe

But it seemed trash

At it

[upper sun]

does heavy 2 on ds2 even have better cleave?

[near wyvern]

Inferior move set to DS4. They buffed the first heavy on DS2 so it's identical to the DS4 but you loose so much DPS when you need to heavy special spam all the time. DS4 allows you to sprint slide stab sprint slide stab which will make killing elites feel like figure skating

[upper sun]

feels like its also 3 target

[near wyvern]

It does cleave a bit but it's not worth it for trash clear, it has too long wind up

[upper sun]

poor ds2

[near wyvern]

And then there is the knife 6 push attack spam which is a bit broken with KD to be honest

But I wouldn't recommend that to new players

Takes a bit more skill to save your ass from a rager

[scarlet timber]

And then mark 5

[near wyvern]

DS4 is currently my recommended melee weapon when you don't know what you want nor what you are doing, will start to roll updates soon on Atheneum

[scarlet timber]

I dotn know what's the point of ds5

[hardy raft]

idk how to infinite tbh

[scarlet timber]

It's just. Worse ds4

[hardy raft]

mostly cause people steal your elite kills

and then i die trying to get elite kills

[scarlet timber]

It's even more single target than ds4 too

[hardy raft]

and then the whole team crumble cause the idiots dont know how to actually get elite kills without smite

[near wyvern]

@hardy raft all you need is a big horde, you don't necessarily need elite kills

[hardy raft]

should i use the other then

i use the revolver for kills

[near wyvern]

If you go the soulblaze method

If you go EP smite you can use revolver yeah

[hardy raft]

is the uh

syphon also decent for damage

cause i dont trust teammates

kek

[scarlet timber]

Btw do people use the new shock mauls on psyker btw(

I been running with trauma staff

For maximum cc

[near wyvern]

I would for void build if it could stun mutants

[hardy raft]

muties grab not attack so

idk

[scarlet timber]

It still kills them pretty quick though

Push attack heavy light

[near wyvern]

You will proc lightning reflex if you time the block on mutant charge it just will not stun it, you also cannot stun it with the special

[hardy raft]

hm, very neat

[near wyvern]

Too slow compared to how snail your movement speed is

[hardy raft]

muties are kinda never get stunned from normal means, thats sad

[scarlet timber]

God that's so true xD

[hardy raft]

and ds4 can sue special on the head to stun mid charge

[near wyvern]

Fun fact if you block just before getting leaped on by the dog while having lightning reflex you will stun the dog and get up

[hardy raft]

ooh

[scarlet timber]

Like I went from my osbcurus to shock maul

[near wyvern]

Yes

[scarlet timber]

I felt like a snail

XD

But damage wise I think shockmauls are okay

Other than on bosses

Which I just spam BB

[near wyvern]

Yeah the only ways to stun a mutant currently are:

• tactical axe special on head
• duelling sword special on head
• smite (after a couple seconds)

[hardy raft]

antax

[near wyvern]

The push attack spam on mk III is a bit too good on horde compared to how many brain cells you need to use

[wide maple]

Gentlemen

I regret to inform you

[near wyvern]

No

[wide maple]

This shit is gonna get bricked

[near wyvern]

Pls don't post whites

It's like posting an image of your lottery ticket

[wide maple]

fuck you!

[scarlet timber]

Yeah mark 3 is so goddam good

And those heavies man

I love them

[near wyvern]

[wind spruce]

How are dreg ragers more deadly now

[wide maple]

speedy

[hardy raft]

it was mk4 crusher for a while wasnt it?

[near wyvern]

They increased the attack speed on them

[near wyvern]

At some point it was one of the combat axes

The heaviest one with purely horizontal push attack

But that was long time ago

[wind spruce]

Ah, right

[hardy raft]

hm

[near wyvern]

To the jail it goes to wait for the crafting update

Oh well, it's usable if you put +flak and change terrifying barrage to dumdum

[hardy raft]

dont they all have hhorizontal PA?

[near wyvern]

Might be, the one that is blue by default (mk 5?) had the best cleave if I recall

So that one was used but it got nerfed for the damage

[wind spruce]

It's fine, given the uptime it has now

[hardy raft]

ah the only damaging one

[near wyvern]

I fear the day they will touch my knife 6 push attack spam

[wind spruce]

It's so good but also disconcerting when your rhythm is broken from a dodge stopping your stam regen

[near wyvern]

With DS4 you actually need skills to kill elites within hordes, with knife 6 just look at their head and push attack spam, all the trash will get perma staggered anyway

[near wyvern]

Yeah but with time you can react to it pretty quickly

[wind spruce]

Gotta put dem hours in

[wide maple]

How can I shoot if I can't see?