psyker-class

[urban sandal]

gunner/sniper res are interchangeable

[bold cape]

i much prefer gunner res

[karmic finch]

Stamina regen, cooldown recovery, flex (gunner res, sniper Res and sprint cost at the moment) for me

[urban sandal]

if running 2 wounds corruption res is decent too

[cosmic sigil]

There is that too but I try not to play plasma. Not enough skill involved

True but if you go momentum, mobility is not that much of a problem

[karmic finch]

Use both

Zoom zoom zoom

[plucky flax]

Plasma just outclasses every guns.

[ornate hamlet]

o yeah what iliisi want for rolls

[plucky flax]

Give me plasma on psyker. It's so much better than voidstrike.

[cosmic sigil]

Yeah momentum knife is.... Zoooooooom

[cosmic sigil]

Chocolate and bananas

[karmic finch]

But then you're playing knife

[cosmic sigil]

If you go for special or elite hunting it's great

Leave the horde for others

[marble crater]

Heresy

[plucky flax]

Way better cleave and specials killing.

[cosmic sigil]

Slaughter + whatever you want: uncanny again armor / deflector d'or defense / riposte or shred for crits

[plucky flax]

Faster projectile.

[cosmic sigil]

Does illi have access to executor?

[marble crater]

But ask yourself this: which weapon makes the better sound when you shoot it into a horde?

[cosmic sigil]

Bolter

I have a boltgasm everytime

[marble crater]

Yes

[cosmic sigil]

I need to try that

[karmic finch]

Bolter biggest weakness is just the time to equip it.

If I want to deal with a trapper I don't want to wait half an hour.

I want to push,swap, headshot, and swap back before the enemies by me have recovered from the push

[cosmic sigil]

That's a non issue with throwing knife tech

[rigid sky]

well on that note you can also just throw at the trapper too

[karmic finch]

Bolter you might not shoot in time to avoid the net, so have to dodge, and even if you do get the kill you get hit in melee because of how long it takes overall unless you dodge again, and dodging on bolter is also garbage so you might not even avoid the net if you do dodge

Meanwhile revolver you're already swinging

[cosmic sigil]

Just throw a knife

[plucky flax]

The voidstrike headshot crack is veri cool indeed.

[ivory wharf]

tempted to make a gunker build

[cosmic sigil]

And if you see a pack of elites throw a knife and swap. You will cancel the animation.

[plucky flax]

But not as cool as the boom boom boom ears deafning from blaze trauma.

[karmic finch]

I have a history in this chat of loving ranged weapons that require a blitz choice to patch holes that a ranged weapon should fill anyway

[ivory wharf]

would brain burst be good with gunker?

[karmic finch]

No

[rigid sky]

I only use assail for gunker

but some people use rupture too

it's got decent anti-armour

good precision

but I kinda feel like it's redundant for gunker

[quartz barn]

Cant go bb because you wont be able to path to SG

[rigid sky]

you can I thought

[karmic finch]

You can, it's just bad

[marble crater]

Gunker would be the only acceptable build to use kinetic flayer on

[quartz barn]

Unless im dumb

[rigid sky]

you can't path through the crit aura iirc

[rigid sky]

That's old, pre-13 style gunker actually

before we got all of our sick finesse synergy

[ivory wharf]

are you sure about that

[quartz barn]

I personally run the entire right side of the tree for gunker

[rigid sky]

oh wait yes you can

[marble crater]

You can take every blitz, ult and keystone with each other, auras not though

[rigid sky]

but still you can definitely do brain rupture + scrier's

wait! no!

you can't

[hardy raft]

it gets outclassed when it has to shoot shooters

[rigid sky]

you definitely can't do brain rupture crit aura looking at the tree

...

you can

why am I so confused

It's like every time I look at the tree it's a different picture lmao

[wind spruce]

Yes scriers

[karmic finch]

BB is good with at least one boost to it. You're not taking EP, so that leaves the charge on ability use.

On gunker you want to start gaze and then use your gun on sword as they do work, if you are using your most effective window to brain burst instead you waste the benefit. Also gaze makes peril, and BB makes peril, so unless you (slow) vent you running out early.

[quartz barn]

Me when i unintentionally spread missinformation

[plucky flax]

I shoot all the shooters. Just grab all ammo if I have to.

[rigid sky]

You can't do crit aura into shriek or elite aura into scrier's

those are the only invalid combos

and now if you'll excuse me I'm going to go and revoke my "giving advice on the internet" license.

[karmic finch]

Run assail or smite, smite gets you the toughness Dr node, assail gives much better ammo economy across the whole run.

[quartz barn]

But uh, regardless of what you can and cant pick

Depend8ng on your pref go assail or smite

[rigid sky]

Assail is the way for gunker imo, treat them as free bullets.

[quartz barn]

Id go assail to deal with long range enemies

Like snipers etc

[rigid sky]

It's not just total ammo efficiency, it's also about reload timings

[quartz barn]

You can also go smite but if you have dd you're so fast you can just outrun everything

[rigid sky]

Assail just helps everything you do besides crushers

and maulers I guess

[quartz barn]

Simply gun crushers down

[rigid sky]

you can just throw them out in between doing anything

DS4 crushers down tbh

gunning them down is inefficient with CIAG at least

[quartz barn]

That too

[rigid sky]

it's doable but you'd rather just poke them in the eye twice

[ivory wharf]

what about smite with gunker?

[rigid sky]

doable but I hate the idea.

[quartz barn]

If you're bad at dodging smite is ok

But smite on its own is bad

[hardy raft]

i run this

[rigid sky]

the other reasons why I pick assail is because it's the only blitz that's reasonably usable in SG, and it's the only blitz that has good synergy with DD

[hardy raft]

well

its less gunker

and just smite EP with gun

[plucky flax]

Creeping flames?

[quartz barn]

Ye thats not true gunker

[hardy raft]

i just take true aim and be done with it yea

still has absurd damage output smh

[quartz barn]

You want as little peril gen as possible for higher sg uptime

[plucky flax]

Smite gazer?!

[quartz barn]

Real

[ivory wharf]

just threw this together thoughts?

[karmic finch]

Smite gives you a panic button, and the toughness damage reduction node, it's not a bad choice, just don't actually use it often

[wind spruce]

You definitely want EE on gunker. You want finesse side of scriers not peril reduction. You also want perilous combustion and mettle.

You don't need the 10% smite damage talent, mind in motion, soulstealer, malefic momentum or anticipation

[karmic finch]

If your melee and gun both struggle Vs bulwarks, and a clown car is running at you, you have smite

[marble crater]

If you take Smite then you should take Psy Aura on the left side, imo

[bold cape]

i run smite with gunker just for psykinetics aura, i dont actually use it

[hardy raft]

emfeeble sucks

cause it only works on left click still it seems

the mod doesnt display the debuff

[wind spruce]

Also definitely this

[bold cape]

also smite with no psy aura is criminal

that’s my literal entire reason for taking it in the first place lmao

[quartz barn]

Nice another no blitz user gigachad

[hardy raft]

one of the best normal node stuff imho

[marble crater]

People said the mod is fixed now and that it works for both smite versions

[hardy raft]

mine might be outdated again then

sucks

[wind spruce]

If you want a smite gunker this is your best bet (obviously switch brain burst to smite)

You can swap the toughness nodes out if you want, but there's not many better options

[hardy raft]

you use 3 toughness nodes?

whhere have all my points been

jeez

[wind spruce]

Yep

[ivory wharf]

this any better?

[hardy raft]

i use like 1 and cope with 105 toughness

[wind spruce]

Malefic momentum is doing nothing for you other than buffing smite

[bold cape]

i much prefer 10% cdr aura

[wind spruce]

Yeah I go back and forth

Getting one with the warp is great

[bold cape]

yea not only the cdr but that dmg reduction node is fantastic

[wind spruce]

I run 177 toughness on my gunker

[plucky flax]

That aura works for the whole team too.

Unlike psykenetic aura.

[wind spruce]

Psykinetics aura does affect the whole team

[marble crater]

Psy Aura working for team kills would be so fucking OP

[bold cape]

giving your allies cdr for more ults across the entire team is one of the best value things in the entire game imo

[plucky flax]

Yeah I meant you have to do the killing blow.

[wind spruce]

Ah right

[plucky flax]

Not benefit from team kills.

Otherwise it's creeping flames spam galore.

[wind spruce]

Yup that's why four psykers is best combo

[plucky flax]

The one that actually works from teammate kills is the ogryn cdr talent.

[wind spruce]

CF for days

[plucky flax]

I'm pretty sure.

[bold cape]

psy aura bad, pls buff

[wind spruce]

It used to be 15% 😭

[ivory wharf]

ok is this any fucking better

[bold cape]

if enough people say it’s bad they’ll buff it

[plucky flax]

Yeah they are buffing my blaze trauma. It's so bad.

[bold cape]

what use are you getting from mind in motion? it’s not really necessary at all unless you’re running a staff

[hardy raft]

mmmm

[wind spruce]

Ditch mind in motion, you're using two talent points to get to it

[hardy raft]

might swap it out then

but i use assail so

idk

[wind spruce]

If you're running assail you have slightly less talents to spare

[ivory wharf]

https://tenor.com/view/jim-carrey-frustrated-pulling-hair-no-frustrating-gif-14800061

[wind spruce]

This but switch to smite

Simples

[plucky flax]

Use assail if you like it.

It's so good with dd anyway.

And let you kill blue bois easier.

[ivory wharf]

here

the final product

[wind spruce]

There ya go. Did you pick up mettle?

[bold cape]

mettle is a must pick for like, literally any build

especially cause it’s just 1 point right at the top

[wind spruce]

Pretty much, yeah

[ornate hamlet]

what if i dont get that many crits

[bold cape]

also remember to experiment and try whatever you think seems fun, and know that what works for others may not always work best for you
tldr, just experiment and have fun

[ivory wharf]

aint taking mettle

[ornate hamlet]

is this gunker

[ivory wharf]

https://tenor.com/view/meme-jesus-i-will-send-you-to-jesus-gif-25817244

[ornate hamlet]

scriers but no mettle is one of the decisions ive seen today

[bold cape]

one of the decisions of all time

[bold cape]

then probably not, but the only build i havent seen it with is an ep smite using surge, and that obviously doesn’t benefit from crit

[marble crater]

Surge still crits a lot, just from base stat and Nexus

[bold cape]

take it from sutvvoo then, im not much of a surge user
as far as im aware just about every psyker build benefits from crit

and it’s one wee point at the top

[marble crater]

The only build that might not benefit a lot from mettle is a rending trauma with BB or smite, I guess?

[ivory wharf]

https://tenor.com/view/jesus-christ-eric-cartman-south-park-s11e8-le-petit-tourettes-gif-21153246

[wind spruce]

its excellent toughness regen https://outplayed.tv/media/yVmO7e

[bold cape]

also move speed is pretty nice

and making an entire build centered around crit (scriers) without mettle is a bit silly

[marble crater]

That's what you get for asking in psyker chat, psyker doesn't have a lot of great talents, but the ones we do have are almost mandatory

[ivory wharf]

https://tenor.com/view/nexus-insane-duck-clinically-going-insane-gif-25181337

[bold cape]

yep, i think all my psyker builds look about the same until the bottom lmao

[vernal blaze]

how fix

[bold cape]

and the obvious scriers for gunker
everything else got shriek

[hardy raft]

wait wut

is that the crit regen one

[marble crater]

Yep, my Trauma and Surge build are the same, except for 1 talent

[wind spruce]

thats 100% from mettle, no other talents

[hardy raft]

is that the crit one

[wind spruce]

yeah, 5% toughness and 5% movement speed on crit

top right

[marble crater]

Change Blazing Spirit to Uncanny Strike and then second change I am not sure, either change Unstable to something else or Change Unyielding to Maniac

Or change Cara to Maniac?
I would probably change both blessings

[radiant frigate]

force greatsword when?

[bold cape]

power greatsword for ogryn when

[bold cape]

[eager junco]

https://www.nexusmods.com/warhammer40kdarktide/mods/324

[bold cape]

fuck this god emperor guy
sigmar would’ve never turned down such a legendary request

[potent echo]

Gimme force redsword

It glows red

Blue is icky

[marble crater]

Devblog today, please

[bold cape]

purple psword..

[radiant frigate]

i want to bonk heretics with big magic sword

[potent echo]

HD2 patch now, time to play again

[marble crater]

No HD2 on Xbox, very sad

[potent echo]

Kekw

[marble crater]

Stupid exclusives

[radiant frigate]

would helldivers do a better job than the rejects?

[potent echo]

Sony has small pp

No helldivers don't have dodge slide, they are smoked

[radiant frigate]

no melee

reliant on orbital booms

[potent echo]

They gonna get throwing knives though

[quartz barn]

Time to dodge slide into a cluster strike

[radiant frigate]

rejects fight in enclosed spaces

helldivers would be cooked ngl

[bold cape]

hd2 patch?
drg season 5 dropping in 10 minutes?

[potent echo]

DeezRG

Gottem

[bold cape]

7am and i havent slept yet
shred 4 dclaw tho
should i play for 2 hours and get it

[marble crater]

Sleep then you have something to look forward to and you are rested

[bold cape]

i am afraid of running out of time on the contracts
but you’re right that’d probably be a good idea

playing my half baked zealot build in auric damns when im out of it is probably not the best idea lmao

[marble crater]

Yeah, easy to mess something up and I don't like gaming when I am sleepy, because I am not enjoying it at that point

[wind spruce]

https://outplayed.tv/media/VeloE4

82.5% crit chance duelling sword

[bold cape]

i was looking at an agripna braced i apparently got out of an emperors gift
i was like holy shit, fire frenzy 4?? deathspitter 3?? 25% flak?? then i looked at the stats and im like FUCK nevermind it’s awful

surely the crafting update will fix it

[wind spruce]

12 days until psykers get shot guns

[bold cape]

wait psyker is getting the db??

[wind spruce]

https://tenor.com/view/copium-meme-pepe-frog-gif-26117735

[bold cape]

[cunning yew]

Psykers should get a slug shotgun that would shoot mini deamons that target only teammates, hit me up obesefish

[wind spruce]

Give us alllll the shotguns

[bold cape]

i decided fuck it let me buy one mk4 from brunt and upgrade it to legendary to see what happens
i have now blown all my luck for the next month on this
is it perfect? no, but does it have rampage and shred? yes, yes it does

[wind spruce]

Pretty good outcome for a single buy

[bold cape]

considering im poor, ill take it

also man this thing is way better than the mk1
having that strikedown heavy is so nice

and the moveset is slightly less braindead which is always a plus, always like some combos

[wind spruce]

Are you using it in psyker?

On*

[bold cape]

zealot

[ornate hamlet]

the build, w/ illussy and void

[bold cape]

will never not use ds4 on psyker

[ornate hamlet]

whats darksouls 4

[bold cape]

my beloved dueling sword

[potent echo]

Illussy

[ornate hamlet]

:3

[potent echo]

A twerking illisi

[ornate hamlet]

righto what am i changing

[bold cape]

exorcist to slaughterer prolly
terrifying barrage to surge
surge is life

[marble crater]

Void and BB do similar things, would rather take Assail and also Disrupt Destiny as the keystone instead of warp charges

[bold cape]

void with dd is insane, would +1

[ornate hamlet]

but BB is funny, and i use it for nuking bosses after my ult

[potent echo]

Void with DD lets you one shot dreg gunners

Amazing BP

[bold cape]

also i decided to test my luck and bought one revolver after dozens of bricked ones, ended up with a 363 decent dist and surgical 4
lady luck shines on me today

[ornate hamlet]

perfect or lingering

[bold cape]

now time to spend fifty million dockets trying to get handcannon

[ornate hamlet]

if i decide to go that way

[marble crater]

Exorcist to Slaughterer, Unyielding to Flak or Maniac on the Illisi, imo.
Barrage to Flurry or Surge if you have it and Infested to Carapace on the Void.

[ornate hamlet]

i have genuinely 0 blessings available on both weapons so will be a while but ty

[bold cape]

warp flurry is good enough but surge is an entirely different experience

why shoot only one super high dmg crit bowling ball when you could shoot two?

[marble crater]

That's okay, both have rather low damage, so you will replace them eventually anyway

[potent echo]

Surge is the dopamine rush, it's it

[bold cape]

sometimes when i need it most it wont proc but then sometimes ill fire it off and see like 3 crushers pop up in the kill feed and ill just be like…
bliss

[marble crater]

"Oh I didn't know that crusher was there"

[ornate hamlet]

i would love to have flurry

[ornate hamlet]

im not gonna go insane on rolling stats until the update

[bold cape]

me about to spend the remainder of my chump savings on trying for handcannon

[marble crater]

Understandable, I'm just saying those won't be your final weapons

[ornate hamlet]

oh yeah am aware of that

but they'll havr to do for now

[marble crater]

Should be fine, yes

[ornate hamlet]

only bought like 6 weapons total to get those 2 so im satisfied

[potent echo]

Value

[bold cape]

i regret my life decisions.

i think i have the level 4 for every blessing on the revolver EXCEPT handcannon, of which i have no level of

[ornate hamlet]

bro is winning

[bold cape]

well what’s the next best do yall think

other than surgical obvs

cause i got em all

[ornate hamlet]

rolling blues for blessings and getting trash

[bold cape]

that’s how it is

i see why people say they have endless diamantine but fuck all the other two

[ornate hamlet]

180k for no slaughterer

why are there 11 blessings....................

[bold cape]

ive spent nearing a million dockets on revolvers for zero handcannon

[ornate hamlet]

its so joever

[ivory wharf]

dumb question about gunker if you were to take brain burst wouldn't it be a good idea to also take kinetic flayer?

[ornate hamlet]

kinetic flayer is a meme

[bold cape]

kinetic flayer is to put it plainly, garbage

[marble crater]

It is, but on gunker it makes some sense, because you will mostly shoot big targets and not trash mobs

[ivory wharf]

i mean its free damage those but ok

[bold cape]

free damage that usually pops on trash, and even then is inconsistent and unreliable cause of a 15 second cooldown and 10% chance

[marble crater]

Not on trash on gunker though

That said I still would take Assail instead

[bold cape]

id take smite
and use it every 3 games cause i forgot i even had it lmao

[ivory wharf]

Free damage is still free damage no matter how you slice it no pun intended

Even if is unreliable it’s still free damage no matter what but eh

[marble crater]

It's free damage yes, but the talent is just bad sadly. If you use your gun only on elites and bosses then it's kind of understandable, because at least it's not wasted on trash mobs, but it's still not great. You can spend the points on something else instead and have a bigger impact

The free damage is not a lot when you compare it to the damage you already deal, especially with the gun.

[bold cape]

it isnt really free cause you're spending a talent point

now that i think about it

you're better off putting it somewhere else

[ornate hamlet]

Precisely this

Probably almost if not everything else in the tree is worth more

[bold cape]

yep it’s an opportunity cost, it’s not free cause you’re taking that point away from somewhere else
and even a minor node like +15 toughness will give much more value

[quartz barn]

Aside from the free dmg argument, what would you even want kf for?

Because you should be oneshotting every single special

So that only leaves crushers, bulwarks and monsters

And even then it wont do enough to make a difference

[upper sun]

i think theres an argument to be made for having it with surge

[balmy flax]

Been running executioner / rending deimos.
Me like. Now I want T4 executioner, tanking.

[quartz barn]

But you go smite with surge

Not bb

[upper sun]

ohh were talking about bb

yea nah

[balmy flax]

Is kinetic flayer the BB proc?
I like it on my purgatus / BB build. Its more fun then useful but tends to proc vs bosses, and the occasional funneh crusher 1(2) shot.

It also seems to prioritize certain enemies over others, which leads to very unfortunate situations for my team if I ever purgatus into a horde with poxers in it.

[upper sun]

i tried it on purge i was watching my buff bar like a hawk all game

[lapis violet]

this is the 2nd time i've seen a gregor eisenhorn psyker in a week

[upper sun]

i dont see it proc that often to justify having it

[balmy flax]

I feel like mine procs constantly.

[lapis violet]

i once had it proc on a groaner when there was a groaner and a crusher walking beside each other, both getting hit by purg channel

i stopped using it after

[balmy flax]

I am sorry for your loss.

[haughty star]

It took me

Literally

300 hrs

Countless ordo dockets and plasteel

From 220 logged on steam, to 560

[upper sun]

slaught 4 i never got until melk threw me a bone

[sacred crane]

Does trauma blazing spirit have a t4?

[radiant frigate]

no

only t3

[lethal lagoon]

yes

[sacred crane]

Saying yes with a pepe emote after someone says no doesnt help ur case

[lethal lagoon]

Well I don't want to actually trick you.

Or do I?

[sacred crane]

Soulblazing your house

[upper sun]

do you use mods?

use this https://www.nexusmods.com/warhammer40kdarktide/mods/138

never trust atlus

[radiant frigate]

agent of tzeentch

[sacred crane]

Nope, but thank yah

Rn I use ui, creature spawner, healthbars and scoreboard

[quartz barn]

At this point trying to get blaze 4 on trauma is just normalized

Too bad its timegated to the first 24h

[cosmic sigil]

morrow has some nice drip

[sacred crane]

This reminds me I WANT MORE FUCKING CAPE COSMETICS FOR PSYKER

[upper sun]

they glitch out in elevators

[sacred crane]

Still, how many psyker cosmetics have a cape??

1????

[radiant frigate]

cape in the accessory slot when?

it would go hard

[upper sun]

ive seen one some time ago

[haughty star]

This makes it special and it's not a purchased one

[haughty star]

Like tomorrow?

[sacred crane]

Back slot:

Honestly, just give us a cape to add to the back slot

[radiant frigate]

and for the love of all that is holy, give me something that is not tubes and not homeless looking

[supple dock]

POV: You're going to Reddit

[stiff falcon]

I wish you good fortune

https://www.reddit.com/r/DarkTide/s/yVLEAkjBeb

Reddit and the annoying whining about loner

[jovial juniper]

Loner bad
Next!

[sacred crane]

I mean yah loner sucks, everyone knows that

[stiff falcon]

It’s there to save points

[sacred crane]

I also wanna use the crit bonus aura and get the extra dodge stuff, but god seers presense and that 33% toughness reduction is too good

[stiff falcon]

Crit makes gunker stronger

[sacred crane]

True, but like on different builds

But FUCK WHY IS SEERS PRESENCS TOO GOOD

[upper sun]

speaking of loner

telo said on a stream that loner doesnt stop specialist spawns on being solo

[thorn cedar]

this has always been known

but now that Named Gamer(tm) has said it out loud perhaps people will repeat it less

[jovial juniper]

Probably because of Speedrun Prevention

[marble crater]

I thought it only stops the specials that spawn for people out of coherency, not all

[upper sun]

tbh sometimes too much knowledge in this game does more harm ive seen that same person try to slide/crouch dogs and fail 3 times because it works in meat grinder but not live game

[marble crater]

But the more reasons there are to not take Loner, the better

[jovial juniper]

*Rush Prevention

[upper sun]

ye the issue is with that if you're fast enough your team gets the specialists not you

[tired estuary]

tree rework/middle path buff when

[upper sun]

which is why enclavom baross is broken

[marble crater]

That map can use an airlock or elevator

[upper sun]

2/5 times i play that map one person rushes to the end and triggers the end event before we leave the bridge

(i am also guilty of this) but at least i only do it on malice and lower for contracts

[jovial juniper]

Yeah, the system needs some tweaks

[cosmic sigil]

Nah it's a mod

[upper sun]

zealot and vet need a single node before and after all blitze

[jovial juniper]

Rush Prevention checks if a player is 40 units away from the team
While Speedrun Prevention checks 12 units every 5 seconds and will trigger after 4 checks iirc

[stiff falcon]

That’s true

[upper sun]

i wouldnt need to speed run sedation-malice if they added a solo mode

[stiff falcon]

I checked myself

[jovial juniper]

So maybe a player running ahead triggers both preventions

[stiff falcon]

You can break spawns by breaking aggro

[wind spruce]

I've had this happen literally zero times

[upper sun]

I hot dropped into one just to revive one person

[stiff falcon]

Which is how you shave 4 mins off Archivum to get sub 7 min runs

[upper sun]

that person then ran to the end and triggered the end event and killed a boss

idk how they died in the first place

[upper sun]

my assassination record was 7 minutes

[stiff falcon]

If it’s a plague ogryn use it to get onto the extraction platform

[upper sun]

ye it was a pogryn

[stiff falcon]

He died to a pogryn?

[upper sun]

i assumed there was some exploit spot or something

no

he did fine after

[stiff falcon]

I was going to say

And point and laugh

[upper sun]

one dude ran ahead from mission start

then got a vote kick

[wind spruce]

Units as in a distance measurement?
Rush prevention makes sense but not speedrun prevention. It checks if you're only 12 "units" away and four consecutive checks trigger spawns?

[stiff falcon]

It’s the map for doing flesh wound

[upper sun]

i voted no then said in chat "if you die ill make fun of you otherwise solo it and well collect plasteel"

that one in fact did not die

[hardy raft]

so whats this?

[jovial juniper]

There's probably some some sort average time for each mission and they calculate it based on your team and how fast they are moving on a short amount of time, so Speedrun Prevention triggers if your team moves too fast

[jovial juniper]

Back in November 2023, I've read about how the game makes it more difficult if you're doing good and progressing through the map at a quick pace, that would be the Speedrun Prevention triggering more specialist spawns and whatnot

But then there's Rush Prevention which targets the loneliest farthest player, which would be the one running ahead

[hardy raft]

heard solo coherency spawning specials to specifically target you, and loner doesnt abide by this rule

but thats about it

[jovial juniper]

And then there's map specific triggers for hordes and stuff like that

Going invisible breaks aggro

See, it's a bunch of circumstances that just keep stacking

Ruining the game for everyone

[upper sun]

had also two people break cooling rods

the made it to end event in 3 minutes

like i sorta get it with crafting costs being stupidly high but if you wanna break sit make a private game

they begged me and another person to die half way through the mission so they can get the elevator to spawn without doing the event

[tired estuary]

nah people are def doing it to be toxic on purpose

[upper sun]

i mean if they said something from the start i wouldnt have minded

"hey were gonna brick the map youll get 40k dockets for 5 minutes wortth of work"

"ok ill die res me at the end point if you need me"

but just rushing ahead kinda dickish

[tired estuary]

yeah no expecting people to play the way you want in pub matches like that is wack

[stiff falcon]

Nah

Not how it works

[stiff falcon]

[hardy raft]

damn setting up 3 22 toughness nodes gives me 194 and even without one toughness node its 145

[molten pond]

I have 10 minutes into psyker, where is the magic?

[upper sun]

blitz abilities staves swords and some weapon specials

[jovial juniper]

First force sword at lvl2, first staff at lvl 4

Obscurus and Trauma

[molten pond]

Found it, G has a magic bit that explodes heads but uses 45% mana

[jovial juniper]

That would be Peril, press and hold Reload to quell it

[molten pond]

But is the basic spell good?

Can one shot special enemies

Struggles with mini bosses

[marble crater]

It's good in the right situations

For taking out specials, elites, it's good, with the right build it's also great against bosses

It's bad against hordes of couse

[sullen summit]

So I am torn on this sword, it's not as high rating as my 524, but it has a decent set of perks to it, the other one i have has a a level 4 shred and exorcist while this has a level 4 deflect and 3 unstable? Any advice ?

[hearty oak]

Yes

[marble crater]

Deflector is very much a playstyle question and Unstable Power would even work together with it, block with Kinetic Deflection talent to gain peril and then attack, but you can just use Slaughterer and skip the block part

[sullen summit]

Alright, thank you.

[marble crater]

Imo you can do two things, if you like Deflector you can change Unstable Power for Slaughterer and Infested to Flak or Maniac, or if you don't like Deflector and use your special a lot, you can play with Unstable Power and Slaughterer instead for more damage and special spamming.

But wait for other people to say I am wrong

[sullen summit]

tbh, it's solid advice either way. I know it is a matter of play style, I am using the sword on my A.O.E/support psyker. Has the bubble shield, surge force staff, and a few other strong things, and Iv'e already tested this one, and I really like it

it might be a bit weaker, but it holds up. I appreciate the help, and input. Thank you.

[long wharf]

any word on what happened with Catfish?

did she quit? get hurt?

[upper sun]

catfish died giving us the last emoji RIP

[long wharf]

she will be remembered and revered

https://tenor.com/view/iamproudofyou-my-hero-gif-18489622

[narrow herald]

So this is my purge build with warp charge, is there anything I should change?

[long wharf]

it's really quite telling that FartShart wants to assure us that the commodore vestures update is still coming when it's a few hours late, but won't say anything of significance about the upcoming update

"Don't worry everyone, we still want you to spend money. We just don't care if you keep playing."

[supple dock]

I'm of the humble opinion that fire related talents are less effective when you have a primary source of fire

I would also remove kinetic flayer because that's a point better spent... literally anywhere else

[supple dock]

so I mean like perilous combustion and wildfire

creeping flames is fine if you're trying to overstack fire for some ungodly reason

[marble crater]

Quietude instead of Soulstealer maybe, to have toughness regen without the need to attack enemies

[long wharf]

I wouldn't even bother going venting shriek with purge staff

[upper sun]

i would go quietude instead of the second upgrade of bb

[long wharf]

having bubble or barriers is much better utility

[marble crater]

What do you want them to say? We have a date and we know we will get a devblog before that

[long wharf]

the thing with PR is that it's all about optics

[tired estuary]

shriek can help make killing ranged mobs much less tedious on purge build

[long wharf]

FartShart has already proven themselves incompetent with messaging and community communication

[upper sun]

tbh i wouldnt go warp siphon at all

its way too fat

[supple dock]

warp siphon purge is great

[long wharf]

people beg for updates of some kind, and the only thing they put out in any sort of timely fashion is "don't worry folks, we prioritize you spending more money"

[supple dock]

any horde and you're instantly max stacks because of the soulblaze talent

[long wharf]

warp siphon is the only way to play purge optimally

[upper sun]

way too fat tho

[long wharf]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

don't fat shame

[sacred crane]

yay or nay?

[long wharf]

warp siphon is just big boned

[upper sun]

lose some points then

[long wharf]

definitely usable, wait until Hadron bricks it, though

[long wharf]

don't wanna, fat abilities need love too

[tired estuary]

warp siphon def needs some point taxes trimmed off it but yeah imo its still best for purge

[upper sun]

this is not healthy you need help

[supple dock]

LMAO

[sacred crane]

i blame you

[long wharf]

https://tenor.com/view/stop-penis-archer-erect-gif-7273925

[tired estuary]

thats really not bad tho, just swap perks

[supple dock]

this is very usable

[long wharf]

no, that's a terrible outcome

[narrow herald]

The reason why I wanted Soulstealer is because this build lacks the single target DPS you would have with something like this:

[long wharf]

you aren't likely hitting three things at once with ds

[tired estuary]

or 1 perk and take uncanny

[sacred crane]

should i replace anything? i kinda wanna add uncanny

[long wharf]

and crit damage perk is a waste

[tired estuary]

rampage for uncanny, crit for smth else

[marble crater]

True that their communication could be better, I figure we will find out in the devblog. Because if they say "We will have a devblog for you by then" people will meme about how it's an update for an update

[tired estuary]

unyielding + precog is decent for boss dueling

[long wharf]

and never in FartShart's history as a company have they ever met a deadline they've set for themselves and publically announced

[narrow herald]

What should I replace it with?

[sacred crane]

then im doing carapace to replace crit

extra crusher damage

[upper sun]

this is what i use with 1 free point for purge

[long wharf]

I'd put flak on there

scratch that

put maniac on there

[marble crater]

You don't need soulstealer really, you will crit a lot with purgatus that mettle will take care of it, imo.

[long wharf]

with uncanny, you're going to be getting rending

[eager horizon]

Remember the comms? I miss the comms.

[long wharf]

with maniac, you'll put some nice breakpoints within easy reach

[marble crater]

I don't remember the comms, because I have only been playing since it's on gamepass for Xbox

That's also why I'm more patient, I guess. I don't have the same amount of bad experiences with Fatshark yet

[eager horizon]

Well, they had a really good byweekly thing going where every other week we got either an update or a comms or a dev blog. Comms are like dev blogs but they talk about stuff thats they're working on instead of stuff they have already finished.

[long wharf]

you're a sweet summer child

just remember - winter is coming.

[narrow herald]

Oh wait I thought it was a different node mb

[upper sun]

its always winter in sweden

[long wharf]

which is what has me wondering if Catfish quit

[narrow herald]

I thought you were talking about inner tranquility for some reason

[long wharf]

she was the one that pushed for more frequent community updates

[eager horizon]

But yeah, I loved getting something to read every other thursday.

I hope not, Catfish was great!

[upper sun]

poor thing she was too good for this earth 😭

[marble crater]

I hope devblog tomorrow

[upper sun]

cant have shit in atoma

[long wharf]

Catfish hasn't posted to the discord since April this year

[eager horizon]

Damn fine community manager. I've been in discords with thrice as many that did half as much

[long wharf]

one can hope it's something like Maternity leave, but I would expect some announcement or something in the case that it was a positive thing

[narrow herald]

OK, now it looks like this

[narrow herald]

Yes that is originally what I use for purge, however I wanted to make another build that focuses more on spamming vent

[long wharf]

why bother with purge if you want to spam vent?

[narrow herald]

I still need to test it because BB is pretty important to dump single target damage

[long wharf]

if you want to maximize BB, you want to go EP

[narrow herald]

I want to watch the world burn

[long wharf]

fair

just don't fall into the noobtrap that is blazing spirit force swords

[narrow herald]

I noticed however that purge staff doesn't really need vent

Maybe I cna go with bubble?

[eager horizon]

Some folks want to set the world on fire.

But I just want to set a blaze, in your soul.

[narrow herald]

Problem with bubble tho is that without EP my BBs are gonna hurt my peril ☠️

[eager horizon]

I wish shield lit stuff on fire.

[narrow herald]

But because I have bubble I don't need to worry about having to long range peeps 🤔

[long wharf]

if you really want to maximize BB, go double barriers instead of bubble shield

each barrier cast procs the BB upgrade

[sacred crane]

is this a decent trauma build?

[long wharf]

which (maybe erroneously) stacks on itself

[narrow herald]

Maybe something like this?

[eager horizon]

You have changed my plans for the day

[long wharf]

it turns BB into something like a quarter second charge

[narrow herald]

The reason why I like bubble isn't specifically the shield, it's the replenishment.

It's basically a tool I use to heard my teammates like a Shepard, because I know for a fact they don't know what the fuck they are doing half the time

[long wharf]

you can rapid fire BB, and if you're doing so on elites, with EP, you maintain your EP stacks as you kill

it's kind of fun

[eager horizon]

Ah, the number of times I see my teammates walk out of my bubble to shoot a ranged enemy only to get shot in turn.

[narrow herald]

Also why is kinetic bad? I heard that it prioritizes the largest target when you use soulblaze

[sacred crane]

which one of these should i use over the other?

[sacred crane]

kinetic deflection?

[long wharf]

I don't know if kinetic flayer "prioritizes" anything, I think it just doesn't proc if the target is dead

which means things with more health you're more likely to see it proc on

the cooldown for KF is what makes it pointless

there are way too many better nodes to take

[marble crater]

Blaze, because more fun

[sacred crane]

kinetic flayer most of the time just kills trash mobs, i can only recall one time it killed a crusher for me

[plucky flax]

Remove soulstealer/quietude for combustion.

[marble crater]

Also buff blaze

[long wharf]

I personally prefer rending shockwave, but dedicating a perk to do more damage to crushers is a waste

crushers are the only enemy in the game with carapace body armor, which is what all AoE effects hit

you'd be better off, generally speaking, with Flak

I honestly want trauma to have a bit more base damage

[plucky flax]

Yes please.

[marble crater]

[lethal lagoon]

If they gave trauma more base damage they would obviously nerf blazing

[quartz barn]

wait why is there a pinned msg saying health % curio is better than toughness curio

[narrow herald]

Bubble Psyker be like:

[quartz barn]

literally the only thing that is truly dangerous to psyk is crusher overhead + getting beamed by a gunner

[long wharf]

for psykers it generally is

but that was from before the toughness damage rework

it should probably be unpinned at this point

[quartz barn]

if you go off of base stats ye, but with all the toughness regen perks idk

[long wharf]

there are still things that do more damage to toughness than health

[quartz barn]

besides meta is toughness regen so you never take health dmg

[long wharf]

I still run only health on my psyker

[quartz barn]

but ye prob from the olden days

[lethal lagoon]

Poxybusters

[long wharf]

you never take no health damage

[lethal lagoon]

Snipey Wipeys

[long wharf]

health gives you more buffer for corruption, as well

[lethal lagoon]

I still prefer toughness though

[quartz barn]

corruption resistance my beloved

[lethal lagoon]

if i die, I die.

[long wharf]

reapers will chew through your toughness far faster than health

[lethal lagoon]

[quartz barn]

man i want reapers to shoot me

[lethal lagoon]

Reap me daddy Oggy.

[quartz barn]

legit never happens, so i dont have the penance for them

zzzzzzzzzz

[lethal lagoon]

Oh

That's what you meant

[long wharf]

my group cheesed the ever loving shit out of that penance

[quartz barn]

i only run pubs with a duo

[long wharf]

you just get a group of reapers to shoot at you, and instead of attacking, you just sprint repeatedly through the fire

[quartz barn]

so if one of us die the other has to solo

because pubs dont really do anything

fun times tho

[upper sun]

reaper melee penance?

was it psyker only? i dont remember when i got it

[lethal lagoon]

The only penances I remember are the ones I don't have

[upper sun]

flesh wound, weapon spec, ogryn 60 bullrush, grenade box, heavy hitter, taunt

[marble crater]

Skill issue

Which grenade box one?

[upper sun]

4 in a row

i started doing it someone killed the gunner i threw one at before it landed

i got mad and stopped doing it

[long wharf]

the grenade box one is best done patiently and at monstrosities

[marble crater]

That one was slightly annoying, but not too bad either

[jovial juniper]

The alternative is hitting muties, no?

[marble crater]

Maybe, I don't remember if they need to die from the box or just need to be hit

[long wharf]

the grenade hit thing is just hitting, not killing

which is why it's good to do it on monstrosities

much less likely it'll die just as you throw a box

[marble crater]

I think I used melee elites as they were running towards me

[upper sun]

you gotta do 4 in a row and you can only hold two

i really dont wanna grief a maelstrom by stealing all the grenades

[long wharf]

yes, 4 in a row, but not 4 in a single mission

there's no time requirement or limitation

[upper sun]

bruh i am not playing an entire mission just to progress maybe once on a penance

[long wharf]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

I didn't make the penances, FartShart did

[upper sun]

i already got the armor sets idc anymore

ogryn penances are made grindy on purpose to force people to play more ogryn

[long wharf]

the ogryn penance grind is easily the worst

having to kill 5000 enemies with heavy attacks while at max heavy hitter stacks is beyond obnoxious

[upper sun]

that one sucks so fucking much

bleed doesnt count and you need 5 stacks

[long wharf]

yep, my group cheesed that one too

[upper sun]

bruh 4 swings and most of the hoard is dead

[long wharf]

there's a mission that endlessly spawns enemies at the end

got my ogryn and vet melee kills one done that way

[upper sun]

like at least feel no pain is 7/10 stacks

[long wharf]

excise vault

yeah, the ogryn penance ought to be heavy melee kills with any number of heavy hitter stacks

not max stacks

[upper sun]

i cheesed the vet crab walking one by replaying the intro to mercentile

[long wharf]

terrible penance

[upper sun]

did the intro there so many times i cant play the mission anymore

one time hand to god i was crouched after the drop meleeing enemies for 5 mintues with each person on my team dying 1-2 times

without anyone opening the door

[marble crater]

Why didn't you open the door?

[upper sun]

i was grinding marksmans focus

[marble crater]

[long wharf]

I'm telling you, the escape part of excise vault is the best place to farm "need X kills" for any class

it continually spawns hordes, specialists, and elites

[upper sun]

ye i have no idea why they have two spawns next to the elevator there

[long wharf]

not even next to the elevator

at the door that leads from the big area to the elevator area, the enemies will spawn right there

easy access, small area so easy to control

anything that wants to shoot at you has to put itself into line of sight, so easy to pick off

perfect location to grind kills

do it on a high 4, and you can easily get a thousand kills an hour, if everyone focuses on letting one person to all the killing

[radiant frigate]

orly

[marble crater]

I also thought it's 4 in a mission, past me was stressing over nothing

[upper sun]

why should i ever use boxes unironically

if i want a bomb ill use the nuke if i wanted to throw stuff ill use rock

[marble crater]

To make other people's game crash

[upper sun]

its the worst of all blitze by far

[long wharf]

honestly, the boxes of grenades are objectively inferior options at this point

there's never a good reason to take them

except for the penances

[upper galleon]

Pathing

[upper sun]

thats xbox only

[marble crater]

[upper galleon]

I still take boxes sometimes

[marble crater]

It wasn't like this before the penance update, stability has gone to shit

[upper sun]

stop doing things i disagree with

[marble crater]

No

[stone totem]

Recommended action? Don't know which blessings are best but I assume slaught is pretty good

[split lance]

I’d say dmg to flak and maniacs

But

I also wouldn’t listen to me

[haughty star]

Any recommendations for weapons on this guy? I know my weapon is gonna be illisi with slaughterer and uncanny but what about the secondary?

[stone totem]

Flakiac seems pretty good for horde clear weapon, I have BR and lightning staff for special/elites

[split lance]

Wait no I’m right

Yea your blessings are perfect

Go flak and maniacs

[stone totem]

Oh really? I wouldve figured there's better than uncanny for this

Sounds good

[haughty star]

Flakiak is pretty much always thw answer unless unspecified

[split lance]

I was told uncanny is best

[stone totem]

Especially on a horde weapon

[split lance]

So

I just listened

[haughty star]

Uncanny is good for illisi cuz it beefs it up for the maniacs and such

[stone totem]

Sounds right to me

Glad this was my first upgrade roll

[haughty star]

That is a Gorgeous roll objectively

I personally prefer WR as my dump stat cuz mobility is Bae

[stone totem]

Ooo I do miss an extra dodge there

Sounds like a preference thing though

[haughty star]

Dodges are shorter distance and run speed is slower too. But 100 percent a preference thing

I can't remember of its mobility or resistance that effects peril dump on it tho. Honestly I try to end up in all 70+ on my illisis kinda like building a surge staff

[split lance]

I need a good staff

So bad

[haughty star]

Surge is fun if you build for it

Can't speak for the others. Don't like em lol

[stone totem]

Holy moly I think I should use a stam curio

3 bars 💀

[split lance]

I think I like trauma rhe best

[haughty star]

Absolutely always

+3 Stam curio and kinetic deflection are non optional imo

[split lance]

You’d cry if you saw my curios

[haughty star]

It's just so much survivability

I run two high tough curios and the +3 then I put health on all of em and sniper bomber mutie flamer block efficiency and Stam regen

Stamina is multiplicative for KD and it gives you a fallback pool to quell during when KD fails

[marble crater]

What if you used one health curio instead of toughness and then put toughness on everything instead of health? You lose 2% toughness but gain 6% health

[narrow herald]

this is my bubble void build, I'm not sure if I should switch out some nodes for some soulflame 🤔

[stone totem]

Can Nomanus staff crit?

Wait yeah duh

[marble crater]

Maybe Battle Meditation and Evasion for Perilous Combustion and Kinetic Deflection?

[lethal lagoon]

I don't know what a Nromanus is, but all staves can crit every single type of hit.

[marble crater]

It's Surge

[narrow herald]

why does everyone hate BM?

🤔

[lethal lagoon]

Peril edging

It's functionally bad in a alot of cases.

[marble crater]

Because it's a 10% chance to quell 10%, so it's like 1% quelling? And also peril edging yes

[lethal lagoon]

And if you get 1k kills, that's just 10 peril bars.

There a some cases where it makes sense to take, but that often involves having free points.

[narrow herald]

but unless you are spamming vent off cooldown, isn't peril removal just universally good?

[lethal lagoon]

If you had unlimited points, sure.

Also no, once again, peril edging.

[marble crater]

You want high peril for more damage, more crits and more toughness damage reduction

[thorn cedar]

depends how fast youre killing and how much peril matters

[lethal lagoon]

And speaking off spamming vent, what happens when you get shot out of the 85% range by BM?

Blaze trauma for example that can be a big problem.

[narrow herald]

but in your smite build, isn't it a vital part of the kit?

[lethal lagoon]

First, EP smite is very point friendly.

Which is kind of my "unlimited" point.

[marble crater]

But yours isn't a smite build

[lethal lagoon]

Second, there's no real peril edging in EP smite most of the time.

[narrow herald]

yes I know but I'm providing an example of it being important to the build

because you want your smite to be extended as far as possible in that case

[lethal lagoon]

As for "important" , outside of scoreboard ego, it's rarely cruical.

[narrow herald]

is this also bad then?

[lethal lagoon]

besides, I did say there are some cases where it make sene to take, so finding an example isn't a "gotcha".

[marble crater]

No that's good

[narrow herald]

yeah but you said when u have "unlimited points"

[lethal lagoon]

EP smite is point friendly?

Like do I need to dig up a comment of me saying that 10 times

What do you want from me

[narrow herald]

ehh, ig it is, but need to waste a lot to get solidity

[lethal lagoon]

I wouldn't consider solidity needed, it's just as I said, point friendly.

So I grab it

[narrow herald]

no I'm just saying that it is a very good node for your smite build, and probably has priority over others on the top side of the tree

[lethal lagoon]

I already said it makes sense on some build

[narrow herald]

but anyways, here is my fixed version of the tree:

[lethal lagoon]

For voidstrike?

[narrow herald]

yes

im still wondering is soulblaze is that important tho

[lethal lagoon]

I hate this screenshot, cause I can't tell what's going on, but wildfire is uneeded.

Man, I need to spend less time in front my screens

Ugh, bad emote

[narrow herald]

not sure what to replace it tho, but doesn't it synergize with PC?

maybe EE?

[lethal lagoon]

Not enough with PC alone to justify grabbing it on a point starved tree.

[marble crater]

I don't like that version of the talent trees either, difficult to see what was picked

[lethal lagoon]

Quietude in my opinion would be more survivability than EE on voidstrike

[marble crater]

For void I would also give Disrupt Destiny a try instead of Warp Charges

[lethal lagoon]

^

[narrow herald]

oh yeah that's my other build one sec

[lethal lagoon]

Oh yeah, I just noticed you don't have true aim

[haughty star]

Nice I hadn't ran the math on this

[lethal lagoon]

Because I literally can't tell what's going on with that style of skill tree.

Yeah if you wanna run void bubble, you can just pop bubble into there.

[haughty star]

Soooo much recovery Jesus

[lethal lagoon]

That's the benefit of going DD.

[narrow herald]

this is much more flexable

due to not needing 20 points on Warp 💀

[thorn cedar]

warp charges is doodoo

[lethal lagoon]

Warp charges isn't good enough to require that many points.

[narrow herald]

someone post that image again?

[lethal lagoon]

It needs to get the vet treatment.

And have a spread out branch instead of a tree.

[thorn cedar]

I retract nothing

[narrow herald]

but wouldn't u want warp for bubble?

i need to heard my shitty teamates and I need as much cooldown as I can get 😔

[marble crater]

Protect them by killing everything

[narrow herald]

true but they will still find a way

[lethal lagoon]

Losing your DPS to give your teammates a false sense of security isn't the best play.

[thorn cedar]

you already have 10% cdr aura + psykinetics aura + another 12% on curios if you want, cdr from warp charges too is just silly

[marble crater]

Like running outside of the bubble?

[stone totem]

I got to 100% peril and instead of letting me F to vent, it like instantly killed me instead of doing the animation

Has this happened to anyone else?

[narrow herald]

well yes, but what I do is the momment I know they are going to fuck up, i put the bubble on top of them

[marble crater]

Did you get jumped by a dog or mutant?

[stone totem]

Nope

[marble crater]

Trapper?

[narrow herald]

but don't u want 4 bubbles at the same time?

[lethal lagoon]

Bubble bois

[haughty star]

Warp charges is pretty much necessary for surge imo

[lethal lagoon]

I will admit the bubble spam bug was hilarious

[thorn cedar]

no i want 24% damage but my warp charges keep disappearing

[narrow herald]

what about now?

[haughty star]

Wildfire doo doo unless you running purg or shriek

But I guess of you have the point to spend

[marble crater]

It happened to me, and was told I exploded because a dog jumped on me, making me unable to vent, so I exploded right away

[lethal lagoon]

(wildfire is pointless on purg).
But yeah it's kinda wasted point there.

[narrow herald]

this is void tho

too many points smh

[lethal lagoon]

Yeah, there's honestly nothing to put it in anyways other than like a base boost.

[upper sun]

i wouldnt do wildfire on void

[narrow herald]

oh i know 😎

[haughty star]

Objectively psyker aura would be a better use of point

[narrow herald]

quell gang rise up

[haughty star]

Truuu

[narrow herald]

wait why is wildfire not a good perk if you have PC? are the stacks not good enough?

[haughty star]

Purloin is really good for scriers

Yeah the stacks are garbage as I was shown last night

[narrow herald]

i also heard it isn't good on purge staff? 🤔

[upper sun]

i do this with void

[marble crater]

Wildfire is 4 stacks in total being spread among targets, not 4 stacks to each surrounding target

[upper sun]

the 2 points can go where ever i usually do toughness

[haughty star]

Holy shit

[haughty star]

That is garbagio

Never running that stank ass perk again lol

[narrow herald]

man yall rly hate BM 😔

[upper sun]

yes

replace BM with more damage on peril explosion and ill take it

[narrow herald]

but doesn't it also synergize with Queltide? 🧠

[marble crater]

Yeah not the greatest, but I do use it on blaze trauma to help a bit with the soulblaze spread

[upper sun]

eh

itll just mess up your edging

[haughty star]

Welcome to darktide discord where if you ask about a build to do a niche with they just recommend something meta

[narrow herald]

NOT THE EDGING

[upper sun]

i do take BM tho when i do bubble purge

[haughty star]

Forbidden smite EP youtube click bait enjoyers rise up

They dwell in the shadows

[narrow herald]

ok ill try this then

[upper sun]

ye looks good

[marble crater]

Rather we point out talents that aren't great for most builds there are some where you can use BM for example

[marble crater]

Took almost the entire basket because of you now, are you happy?

[upper sun]

yes

[marble crater]

[upper sun]

EP basket is king

[lethal lagoon]

I don't "hate" BM, I can do basic math

[narrow herald]

wait, one last question, is Wildfire good on the smite build?

[marble crater]

EP smite?

[narrow herald]

yes

[marble crater]

Probably not needed

[narrow herald]

wait I just remembered this node

idk is 5% is good though, prob not

[lethal lagoon]

I like it on EP smite, but you are kinda free to like anything on EP smite.

[bold cape]

tbf rolling and making builds can be expensive as shit so people will recommend you the meta so you wont waste resources, and people here just want to inform
look at yt or gameslantern if you want fun niche or unique builds that may or may not be shit

[upper sun]

thse all need to be removed or reworked

[lethal lagoon]

Mind in motion

[upper sun]

mind in motion doesnt do anything

[marble crater]

It does do something, it steals one of your talent points

[upper sun]

make it let you quell while sprinting then were REALLY going

[narrow herald]

this is my "fun" build 😎 https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9c397648-c43f-404d-85e1-95dd3e9a6fba/pyro-3

yeah I did the unthinkable

[marble crater]

Oh no

[lethal lagoon]

Who's having fun though

[upper sun]

pygex comitted a massive sin by putting that on the guide

[bold cape]

seriously
we don’t do that here
fun? eugh

[marble crater]

Flame illisi is fun, it's just so weak

[upper sun]

fun is not allowed

[bold cape]

meta only

[upper sun]

i did not spent 500k docket sto build a "fun" illisi

[marble crater]

You should take smite instead of BB

[upper sun]

i mean i didnt in general

but you get the idea

[bold cape]

kind of true tho, jokes aside
i dump several hours of resources i kinda want something good

[lethal lagoon]

[narrow herald]

no

[upper sun]

ye fun will be banned until hadron is put into a junkpress

[bold cape]

like me spending 1m dockets on revolvers and not having handcannon

[lethal lagoon]

Sounds like your wrists are too weak

[marble crater]

Yes, right now there is still an option for targets outside of range and with a lot of health. Purgatus, illisi, Smite, you will only kill hordes, but you will do so in 3 different ways

[upper sun]

or me spending MILLIONS on surges(the staff) and not geting one with free perks

[marble crater]

[upper sun]

if you see an elite just leave

boss? leave the match

[bold cape]

@lethal lagoon i have every level 4 blessing for revolver
except for cannon, of which I don’t have level 4, 3, 2, or even 1

[narrow herald]

no u c, i use purge staff primary attack to get them nice and smoked, then I run in spamming my alt attacks with isili to get peril and then starts spamming light attacks to proc crit, and then start using vent to double the stacks, and then

[marble crater]

Skill issue

[bold cape]

[stiff falcon]

Skill issue

[bold cape]

game is really trying to break me

[lethal lagoon]

Go buy a hand gripper jeez

Game knows you can't handle it

[marble crater]

Melk will sell it tomorrow

[narrow herald]

i also can be "serious" https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9c455eaa-e080-44ff-93ed-9405c3c3b344/impossible-to-mess-up-zealot

[lethal lagoon]

Raking fire?

Is that a zealot thing?

I wouldn't know.

[narrow herald]

like I said this is for dogwatter zealot players

it helps with bosses

because u think they are actually going to go in and dodge the attacks?

nope

[lethal lagoon]

That's actually a good take

[narrow herald]

the build is already a cardinal sin that they are not taking eduring faith and second wind, but again do yall think they will know how to proc crits and dodge consistently?

nope

[lethal lagoon]

[stone totem]

Does vent not stun bosses anymore

[upper sun]

i dont know enough zealot to comment on builds but im pretty sure desperation is not all that good

[karmic finch]

Never did

[upper sun]

no 😭 i dont think it ever has

[stone totem]

Wuttt I swore it used to

[karmic finch]

Popping yourself does iirc

[narrow herald]

on axe it's good because you want to spam push attacks

[karmic finch]

Brain fire op

[stone totem]

That's kinda lame

[upper sun]

im pretty sure it didnt because i remember being pissed that vet shout staggered bosses and not vent

[karmic finch]

Vet shout still the strongest ability in game

[stone totem]

Vet has a grenade option and their best F does it too but psyker has nothing to stagger bosses 💀

[karmic finch]

But that's more due to over toughness being bonkers good

[narrow herald]

also do yall think they will manage their stamina?

nope

[karmic finch]

Void strike to the face

[marble crater]

Try staff special

[bold cape]

had an auric mael with 4 shout vets and i dont think 1 person went down or fell below half health

[stone totem]

It's overinflated with good things it does, if it was only overtoughness it wouldn't be an issue

[karmic finch]

The issue is that over toughness doesn't just give you a temporary buffer, it raises your cap for the period

[upper sun]

https://nurgle.stelio.net/images/IA7_Plague_Ogryns_1.png
you see this running at you. what do you want? a psychically able person unleashing a kinetic force in a massive area ahead of you OR a guy screaming about boots or cadia or some shit?

[karmic finch]

So you can lose some and get it back

If over toughness also disabled toughness regen until you are below your normal toughness pool it would be fine

But you basically get 10s, per vet shout, of ignoring most damage

[marble crater]

I want a monk to scream at it about faith while holding something funny

[upper sun]

no your choices are either a psyker or a

[marble crater]

Then I pick the psyker

[upper sun]

crushed 😦

[bold cape]

i like shout, i recognize it’s op but when i play vet i dont like shooting, i like using my melee
and it just lets me swing and swing without a second thought
toughness breaks? oops i have my 200 back + 50 over!

brain off activity

[upper sun]

tbh if i ever play vet again i should just have a script that spams ult automatically

[karmic finch]

Well, most people just use it as knock back and over toughness.

The revive upgrade is a point wasted and makes it worse.

The things below that give damage boosts are all small and very temporary, and require point investments that vet has a lot of competition for

[bold cape]

not sure how good my vet build actually is

i copied it from this lv1000 vet who was like, the best and nicest player ive ever seen

[upper sun]

theres one dude grinding night and day to make a 500 page guide on vet

once hes done ill just copy whatever example builds he makes