psyker-class

[hardy raft]

and heavy 1s

[shell radish]

ah kk

[hardy raft]

dont try to chage it unless you're at the very start

or dealing with crushers n stuff, after like 2nd hit the uncanny comes through and you dont really need it for singletarget armor dispatch

[shell radish]

Maybe I'll try it, ideas for ranged? Columnus just seems like the best for it

[hardy raft]

columnus or the laspistol

anything less than that and its meh from what ive heard

i use columnus sinec tis fun to use

something you need to worry about, since the push attack spends peril

never, ever, never ever try to pushattack while above 80% peril and on scriers gaze
you WILL die
there is no consequence

[shell radish]

yee the force swords are cool but I usually don't run them because of that, I like swapping to a melee to slowly dispell peril

plus you get the damage bonus from the peril trait for a bit with your melee

[hardy raft]

force swords can force vent peril

and keep up peril if you want that extra damage output

it can be a extension to your arsenal, or a detrement

really up to you

i like it cause it lets me vent quicker when using gaze(and i really need to cool off)

[shell radish]

yee I have a few decent force swords, might swap to running one for a bit then

dueling sword is good but its a little stale

[hardy raft]

its the same reason we use staves to cooldown instead of our blitzes

has bonus cooling

[shell radish]

have a decent illisi, just wish it had a bit higher first target

[hardy raft]

you really want a good illisi with uncanny + slaughterer

uncanny deals with armor and slaughterer does give decent boosts

probably same reason why we koreans recommend that on powersword which is different from here

[shell radish]

Yee, I'll probably just run this one for a bit before I decide to grind a better roll out

might be good to wait a bit for the upcoming patch(??)

[hardy raft]

tbh it should be fine

[shell radish]

I dunno

yee

[hardy raft]

force swords has a incredibly large finnese multiplier

just hit the head

and they die

goes further with DD yknow

[shell radish]

yee my scriers runs DD

Don't know why you wouldn't tbh

[hardy raft]

pretty much every gaze runs DD unless im memeing and running EP with brainbrust

[shell radish]

but I don't know psyker as well compared to zealot

[hardy raft]

i got into psyker cause of gunpsyker killing literally everything

throws out any sort of stability out of the window with the staffs and just blast everything

[spice veldt]

force swords have the same quell speed as blitzes

[hardy raft]

damn

must've known better than

thansk for info

[spice veldt]

unlisted quell speed of 50% for reference

[hardy raft]

does this go for stuff like antax too

[spice veldt]

not sure since I think that non force weapons have a higher passive quell speed that's slightly more involved to measure so I never bothered

[hardy raft]

yeah makes sense i forgot swords dont have quellspeed modifier

just finesse and warp resis

[upper sun]

is the decay the same?

[unkempt jewel]

Any recommendations for a good alrounder psyker build?

[hardy raft]

i think decay is on the psyker itself

[upper sun]

what staff do you like to play?

[hardy raft]

@upper sun anyway this

[unkempt jewel]

Smite/Purgatus

[hardy raft]

i hope this actually works on every runangun tbh

[unkempt jewel]

Sometimes trauma

[upper sun]

you kinda need a ranged option if you wanna play purge staff

[hardy raft]

runandgun is a decent choice for a agrapina revolver cause of this(cqc revolver that severely requires a aimbuff) but handcannon

[unkempt jewel]

👍

Assail?

[upper sun]

they still need to make charge attacks work a bit better with run and gun

[hardy raft]

true

[upper sun]

assails alright but you would then be limited to using melee with bulwarks

[hardy raft]

usually brainburst cause it can oneshot specials most of the time

[unkempt jewel]

True

[bold cape]

highly recommend bb with purg

bb with 2x shield is nice with it

[upper sun]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9c39d463-1cc1-4b31-a1e6-6656dbc7f336/fired-up this build by a random person(not me) its fine i use it

[hardy raft]

tbh idk if i like 2x wall or the dome

dome has nice stuff going for it like nuking dreg bomber corrouption

[bold cape]

2x is good for keeping up that bb cast speed when you need it most

[upper sun]

any ult works with purge tbh

[limpid lodge]

you just gotta start using it more and you start to figure out its strengths

[hardy raft]

speaking of dreg bomber probably also made using the corruption healing arua even more viable tbh

[hardy raft]

gaze purge letsgooooooo

[upper sun]

ye it works

really well in fact

[hardy raft]

ive seen it like once

idk if its good tbh

[upper sun]

but idk

id rather go vent

[hardy raft]

risk it all or nothin

[limpid lodge]

just really depends on the permutation

[upper sun]

no

ill keep using my deimos of zero damage

[hardy raft]

my deimos

[upper sun]

look at this beauty

[hardy raft]

imagine if

zealot had any of the force swords

but without the special

[upper sun]

😨

[hardy raft]

would be still fucking beast

[limpid lodge]

i thought you want flak over carapice tho?

[upper sun]

on deimos? na

it does perfectly fine flak damage by itself

better to buff other things

[hardy raft]

idk i use it to kill crushers = carapace

i know H2 dunks them but still needs to be quicker

absurd how much stagger the H2 has

[upper sun]

unethical amount of stagger if you ask me

[limpid lodge]

why do none of us ever brag about an obscurus sword

[upper sun]

we dont talk about obs

[hardy raft]

maybe cause its a worse deimos?

[haughty star]

you know what

i'll take it

[upper sun]

its kinda OBSCURE

[hardy raft]

go for it

[upper sun]

XDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD

[hardy raft]

that looks real good

anyway so i think prug final form is like

nexus runandgun

so it can get +10% close damage and crit all over enemies

[upper sun]

ye at the very least now its an actual choice

[hardy raft]

except its not stated in the desc and noone knows about it

i wish it was on more stuff

like idk

autopistol

would be fun to run around and shoot it

oh wait

uh

did force sword push used to oneshot open bulwarks?

[thorn cedar]

yea

or push them over

[hardy raft]

damn all this time i used

special

to open them

[thorn cedar]

one with the warp should be somewhere else on the tree

i wanna use crit aura damn it

[hardy raft]

i wish the 2h powersword if it comes out on zealot has a thrust stab attack like with deimos

[thorn cedar]

also ive come to unironically love mind in motion

[hardy raft]

also infeeble still seems to only work on lclick?

unless psycarium is bad

[thorn cedar]

left click smykers keep winning

[limpid lodge]

its not ideal to test stuff since they dont fight back

[thorn cedar]

also don't use enfeeble tbh

[hardy raft]

where should i dump my points elsewhere tbh

current smite build

isnt much things to take over

maybe something like

coherency aura i guess

[thorn cedar]

theres toughness under true aim

[hardy raft]

should i get that

goes me up to like

120 toughness which should help

[eager token]

ogryn shooty penance sucks

wtf

[hardy raft]

karnak 50 times

[eager token]

12% chance to proc and you need 4500 rounds

[eager token]

is that actually faster?

[hardy raft]

you get fuckton of ammo on the bossroom anyway

get a friend ring the bell

spend all the ammo

use achylis

also maybe consider charmed reload

also current psyker build

any recommendations?

gunker is fun

[hearty oak]

Drop battle meditation and get the last perk for scriers

You aren't really going to be using a lot of warp based attacks.

[cosmic sigil]

with 2 points invested in assai?

[ivory wharf]

i know gunker is good and all from what you guys have told me but doesn't it put a strain on the ammo eco?

[cosmic sigil]

no

not at all

[urban sandal]

no more than having a team of zealots, ogryns or vet without survivalist

[cinder moon]

it can if you're bad at shooting and/or ignorantly taking all the ammo

[hexed geyser]

From all the games i played as gunker, i don,t remember a single one where ammo was an issue. I've had a few complaints but they were pointless and dumb

[cinder moon]

i've seen idiot gunkers hoovering up ammo before

[cosmic sigil]

if you want to suffer, try gunlugger stubber 😄

[ivory wharf]

i'm just curious thats all

[hardy raft]

tbh its more for if thers 4 gunkers like maybe

only 1 gunker and just mix&match secnario not that much

[ivory wharf]

always hated gunkers when i was a vet with survivalist even with that 1% on specialist or elite kills a vet can still quite easily run through all their ammo and with the nerf to survivalist well...

[hardy raft]

it was hayday for them but DD got megabuffed so it matches out really

[ivory wharf]

not quite sure which zealots were bitching about survivalist but that what i was told

[hardy raft]

zealots liked survivalist anyway

gave free ammo for their bolters

[ivory wharf]

supposedly zealots were bitching about survialist like i said this was in a vc those

[paper harbor]

So that zealot hate survivalist?

[urban sandal]

everyone was bitching about survivalist because it was insanely strong

[paper harbor]

No, I still need ammo when I’m running graia IAG

[cosmic sigil]

if you're playing malice and shooting horde yeah the nerf was hard

[urban sandal]

1 hunting ground and everyone was full ammo again

[paper harbor]

It has a cooldown

[urban sandal]

it does now

[paper harbor]

I noticed the aura

That’s the nerf

Sadge

We only get like 25% ammo total per 10 elite

Or maybe 14% total

Internal cooldown hurt my graia IAG running ar/ak build

I mostly shoot at shooter with exe stance

And gunners

Shotgunner, scab bruiser

Or drug bruiser

Horde draw out melee kill them

[wind spruce]

When you have rending/brittleness over the cap it increases damage by a small amount. I can't remember the formula off the top of my head, but there was a dev note about it back when they changed the calculations.

[thorn cedar]

1% per 4%

[wind spruce]

Cheers

Also to answer your trauma question from hours ago, maniacs hits one shot trapper without crit or buffs, and elites plus flak gets you to some gunner/shotgunner breakpoints

[wind spruce]

Wait, why would you drop battle meditation? It's usually a given on gunker builds to elongate scriers. And what does it have to do with warp attacks?

[ornate hamlet]

what does voidstrike want for perks and blessings

[wind spruce]

Surge & nexus or flurry & nexus. Perks can be some combo of flak/maniac/carapace

[ornate hamlet]

also are there any ways to prevent blowing up aside from shriek

[wind spruce]

Yeah, don't use warp attacks at 100% peril

[ornate hamlet]

ok true but you know what i meant

once the animation starts

[ivory wharf]

https://tenor.com/view/guilty-gif-5332537

100% peril

[wind spruce]

You should drop warp expenditure for quietude. It's double the toughness generation, and you're more likely to need toughness after gaze than during gaze (during gaze you'll be proccing EE and mettle) or when you're cooling down from using assail than during assail use (when using assail you're proccing EE, mettle and soulstealer)

[lethal lagoon]

BM can sometimes save you

I think it only works if BM triggers during the opps but not when you are already crazy.
I don't remember though.
I think this is just a standard "Git gud" situation unfortunately.

This is mostly useful on purg, where you cast above 100% and know you'll blow up once you let go, and then BM triggers.

[hearty oak]

I meant to say warp expenditure

Not because i forgot names

[wind spruce]

It can save you even a second or two into overloading

[lethal lagoon]

It's been so long since I've blown up, so of course I've forgotten.

You have good memory though

[wind spruce]

Ah that makes sense!

[lethal lagoon]

The better you are at peril edging the less important 5% crit is.

Flak is number 1.

That said, 5% crit is sitll the second best option.

And of course Blaze Trauam shines in melee maelstroms, so carpace isn't all that bad.

[ornate hamlet]

peril edging

[hearty oak]

Peril edging and the fucking noise blows your ears out

[ivory wharf]

seriously what are those noises when your peril is close to 100%

[ornate hamlet]

death whispering in your ear

does warp flurry require full charges to make use of

[hearty oak]

No

You can spam it quickly to get stacks

[bold cape]

my life instantly became 100x better when i found out i could totally disable the ear piercing max peril noise

[ornate hamlet]

epic

[haughty star]

i think i can be done with the surge stuff for now lol

[ornate hamlet]

is staff special attack ever useful or should i just switch to primary always

[haughty star]

lol what

[ornate hamlet]

the melee hits

[haughty star]

i mean it's a glorified shove

if it works for ya it works for ya

i crutch on this thing any time i feel i'm in danger lol

that and a +3 stam curios and i'm basically a secret lightning wielding shield ogryn

my god

it's fucking beautiful

can't wait for fucking hadron to brick this thing

Called it

i mean unyielding isn't.. terrible...

[lethal lagoon]

Unironically, they wern't able to remove peril-gasm in the console version of the warhammer ARPG, because of game's workshop

[bold cape]

wait, what

[lethal lagoon]

Peril effects wern't allowed to be a toggle

GW also apprently doesn't allow procedural generation.

I don't know how true that is though.

[potent echo]

Devs would want to work on procedural stuff because adds to portfolio but

I really hate procedural maps

[lethal lagoon]

Same but it's an ARPG

Not having access to procedural generation is pretty tough lmao

[hardy raft]

until sniper shot

meant to reply to other

[bold cape]

bruh-
everything i hear about gw is just really shitty and/or petty lmao

[lethal lagoon]

They have a monopoly on rich middle-aged nerds.

[bold cape]

agree for most scenarios but it depends on the game

[lethal lagoon]

They have too much power

[bold cape]

luckily i have basically zero interest in warhammer outside of the tide games

[lethal lagoon]

Yeah I enjoy the lore, but nothing else in particular.

[bold cape]

the space marine game looks neat, so does total war but i prefer their realistic ones like shogun and rome

[lethal lagoon]

There was a warhammer conversion mod for Mount and Blade that I played the fuck out of

[bold cape]

that sounds great

[lethal lagoon]

Man that game had a modding community way larger than the size of the game.

[potent echo]

Space marine looks fun but seems like mainly a gears type game where you just play the campaign a few times and multiplayer and you're done

[lethal lagoon]

Gui is a serious person who needs a commitment.

Put a ring on it.

[bold cape]

my favorite games are often the ones i have ~100 hours or less

[potent echo]

I love short story based games

Pentiment was amazing

[lethal lagoon]

Only hate can drive me to play a game more than 500 hours

[bold cape]

dont think ive ever stuck with a game i didnt enjoy

siege took a direction i didnt like around year 3/4 so i quit and never looked back

[lethal lagoon]

It's more of a hate for such an incompetele game having such a perfect combat system.

[ivory wharf]

is it normally every man for himself in auric?

[potent echo]

Yea you should play selfishly if you know they can't make it

Better you live than the player that doesn't know what is dodge

[autumn moth]

in the sense that you can't really expect other people to screen enemies for you

[ivory wharf]

so thats how it is huh team work and synergy just go out the window

shame

[potent echo]

Teamwork is for when the team works

If it's teamdoesn't then there's not much point

[marble crater]

In auric it's also expected that you can handle a certain amount of enemies by yourself, because everyone is dealing with shit

[spice veldt]

unsurprisingly, the random matchmaking system where people are well-documented to not communicate frequently if at all does not have much teamwork

[lethal lagoon]

I find there's plenty of teamwork. In that I kill X before obvilous dumbass C get's killed by it.

[potent echo]

If two Twitter users can't agree on anything you definitely can't have 4 players cooperating live

[spice veldt]

and it's not like this is a competitive game where it cultivates a playerbase that actively communicates and engages in teamwork

[lethal lagoon]

I'm much more jaded about pubs now

[spice veldt]

yeah but that's to be expected

people just shit on pubs way too much for my liking

they're random people that are queuing up for a match like you

just go do a premade if you want some certainty

[lethal lagoon]

[potent echo]

With their own thoughts and dreams and sugardaddies

[lethal lagoon]

Don't bring logic and reason into this

[spice veldt]

where's my sugardaddy

[lethal lagoon]

You basterd

I just want someone to kill a ranged mob shooting my back for a change

[bold cape]

to a certain degree you're just kind of expected to be able to handle yourself in auric, yes
like everyone is constantly dealing with multiple threats so they have less time to help deal with yours

[lethal lagoon]

[potent echo]

No they rather plasma the spam poxwalker you just melee'd

[lethal lagoon]

Always keep in mind you feel like you are doing more than you are and that your teammates are doing less than they are.

[lethal lagoon]

I actually kinda enjoy killing mobs swarming towards the blind vet's back.

[potent echo]

That's helping

Illegal

[lethal lagoon]

[potent echo]

I wish when vet krak crusher packs they toss it on the one at the back

Not the first one that is already dead

[lethal lagoon]

But the quesiton is do you do that on vet

[potent echo]

Ofc

[lethal lagoon]

[potent echo]

I'm gaming

[lethal lagoon]

[hardy raft]

does the corpse stick the nade

why

also that so its impossible to throw it overhead it just magnets to ogryns and carapace

[potent echo]

It sticks then dies immediately

[spice veldt]

the foolish vet thought they were in a game where crushers couldn't be deleted in under a second by not particularly dedicated weapons 😔

[potent echo]

Just throw to the side

[bold cape]

i use shredders
because generally the big boys die so fast by good kits in auric that kraks are a bit too much i feel
meanwhile flooring everything in a radius is pretty helpful sometimes

[hardy raft]

anyone use thunderous?

[spice veldt]

yeah shredders would be my go-to, though i run kraks since I always run VoC and want to save 1 point by going down kraks

[potent echo]

I only run krak on my struggle shovel/las build

[lethal lagoon]

When you decide to play zealot for once and suddenly every player ever can't handle crushers anymore. Then you go back to psyker and suddenly crushers die like regular mobs

[potent echo]

Not for crushers though, just for fcking bulwarks

[hardy raft]

oh my god my mk12 chaxe cant oneshot crushers

[bold cape]

i use plasma on vet so i can give a big middle finger to bulwarks

[hardy raft]

now its just 50:50

rate

[lethal lagoon]

Hardest part of going to other classes from psyker are bulwarks.

Them suddenly becoming annoying again is jarring.

[bold cape]

on zealot i just kind of expect my teammates to take care of them for me lmao
unless i get them from behind

[lethal lagoon]

Yeah but when you are in a nice unadultered killing frenzy and a big shield boi just comes up and you gotta wait for his swing.

Of course someone will reset his stagger at least once

[bold cape]

you mean i have to think about what im doing instead of just plasma or voidstriking them? thats just insanity

[lethal lagoon]

[bold cape]

so true
except just voidstrike because i cant get a good trauma
for that reason and that reason alone, trauma sucks

surge void my beloved

[lethal lagoon]

Trauma doesn't suck, it blows

[bold cape]

[lethal lagoon]

[bold cape]

theres a shred 4 dclaw in melks
idk if i wanna bother doing zealot contracts to get it

[ornate hamlet]

if u havent done them yet u can do other class contracts to afford it

probably worth it if u enjoy dclaw

unless you'dmuch rather spend it on another class

[bold cape]

zealot and ogryn are the only ones i got left
havent played ogryn in forever due to lack of good gear

i just got skullcrusher 4 off melk for the slab shield but god forbid hadron give me a decent shield to put it on lmao

[hardy raft]

good if you want the uh quick cdr with the catachan tbh

[bold cape]

yeah ill probably do it, im just bitching about it

[hardy raft]

you're not missing out much

if you already have shred 3 tbh

it'll hurt your soul

but its fine

[bold cape]

i got a shred 3 rampage 3 dclaw i use rn but its mk1 sadly

[ornate hamlet]

no that extra like 2% matters trust me bro

[hardy raft]

what dclaw you use

[hardy raft]

me putting +5% crit on perks

[bold cape]

so ill prolly get the shred 4/rip the rampage 3 and try for a mk4
and pray
and probably lose my money

[ornate hamlet]

i like mk4

its good

[hardy raft]

i like mk4 as well

[ornate hamlet]

moveset feels optimal

[bold cape]

i do too
but ya gotta make do with what rngesus gives you

[hardy raft]

problem is mk7 is now my friend now cause it has a funny parry light overhead so it can kill stuff more funnily

current selection

[ornate hamlet]

rnjesus gave me a 542 dclaw and i have a grey 380 waiting for the update

[hardy raft]

inb4 itemization comes next year

i was real lucky with that mk4

[ornate hamlet]

imagine

its ok im playing psyker rn

[bold cape]

i have a juicy 380 psword6 for it

[ornate hamlet]

i have it on zealot

[bold cape]

if the crafting update isnt on the 25th its long break time

[hardy raft]

im gambling for the new weapons either way

[spice veldt]

if it doesn't release, then i am fully blaming darktide for my gacha addiction (i take no personal responsibility for this)

[bold cape]

yea ill probably play for about a week and drop the game for a while

[spice veldt]

yeah hopefully it does drop and spruce things up a bit

[bold cape]

im so happy i dropped genshin before spending any money on it. i saw what it did to my ex and i wanted no part in it

[spice veldt]

even a fairly generic progression system would be good nuff

[hardy raft]

https://tenor.com/view/blue-archive-mora-moragooyoo-hoshino-swimsuit-gif-26425899

[spice veldt]

i'm fortunately relatively restrained in money spending

unfortunately i have spent another valuable resource called "time" into them

[hardy raft]

i am not(on food)

[spice veldt]

what a horrible vice 😔

[bold cape]

even then when i play a game i wanna be able to experience 100% of the content without dumping 5k hours or $5k into a digital casino

[hardy raft]

gacha games be like

[bold cape]

ftp players when they say you can experience the game for free (95% of the content is in the rng characters and items)

[hardy raft]

"yoo blue archive is fire"

[spice veldt]

gacha players are built diff

[bold cape]

i much prefer to be able to spend $15 on a game and be able to see and do everything without an unhealthy investment myself

[hardy raft]

worse part is that you can buy like already pre-gacha'd accounts with m o n e e

illegal of course so extra spicy

[bold cape]

unfortunately its a very predatory and very effective strategy at farming money off impulsive and impressionable people (mostly kids) so it wont be banned or going away anytime soon

man, if only so much of gaming these days wasn't infested with battle passes, time-investment requirements, money-grabbing fomo and limited time content traps, digital casinos that don't respect your time or money, and overall scummy practices that don't serve the consumer whatsoever but exist only for money and infinite player engagement (which is not needed btw, not every game needs to vy for all your time)

[hardy raft]

dont worry

now we are subscribing for a gameeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee

it sucks

[bold cape]

subscriptions in games are a total joke lmao

[slow karma]

Sir, this is a Wendy's.

[bold cape]

battle passes are basically subscriptions with extra steps too
oooh spooky limited time content! better pay $10 and spend 50 hours playing this month or else you'll miss this shit forever!! oooooo give me your time and money

[spice veldt]

don't worry i also have such conversations at wendy's

[slow karma]

I'm thankfully immune to FOMO

I've stopped caring about what Big Gaming tries to do to the rest of the world.

[bold cape]

im not, unfortunately
i dropped money on a krieg cosmetic and i regret it, because i now use for the drip and have access to everything in the game for free

[hardy raft]

yeah but that doesnt show to others

[bold cape]

i mostly stick to singleplayer games/coop games that (usually) dont have that shit

[slow karma]

That sure sounds like it should be illegal

[hardy raft]

because to others it looks like your default character

[bold cape]

i dont dress for others, i dress for myself and the emperor

[slow karma]

Frankly, though, it's not about the cosmetics at that point, it's about whether you want to support the devs

[hardy raft]

no

cause i bought cosmetics for the sake of cosmetics

[slow karma]

Good for you, my point stands.

You don't have to regret your purchase because someone hacked the system

[hardy raft]

i have to obviously

[spice veldt]

they're not regretting it because someone hacked the system though

they regretted dropping money on it, and then decided to "hack the system"

[rigid sky]

That's going past 1:1 unarmoured damage

[slow karma]

That sure wasn't how this was framed in the sentance itself but sure.

[spice veldt]

not necessarily unarmoured damage

just 100% adms

[rigid sky]

But regardless of the ADM rending caps at 100

[slow karma]

At any rate, your bitching solves nothing in the end.

It's not even cathartic, don't lie to me and yourself and say it is.

[spice veldt]

oh i did misread it

well it's nice to have conversations about it

it's something that I do think needs to be discussed

[bold cape]

?? huh

[potent echo]

Rending...?

[spice veldt]

how cosmetics should be priced and whether their price should be regulated by other bodies (e.g., governments or whatever)

[bold cape]

also yeah theres definitely nothing worth supporting the devs over in a rotational shop designed to get you to spend money with the risk of not seeing those cosmetics for a long time if you dont, lmao

[urban sandal]

I do think they should never use the premium currency tactic for microtransactions unless there's an easy way to earn them and even then it's better to have them be separate

like you can earn premium currency for cosmetics but you can also see the direct price tag like in V2

[bold cape]

i was fairly disappointed coming from vt2 into this game and seeing the cosmetic shop

[slow karma]

Dedicated servers will do that to a game.

[potent echo]

Still think the skins are way too expensive

How much are destiny skins going for nowadays

[slow karma]

Pretty sure it's just as bad

I wouldn't know, I dropped destiny like a hot rock and regret nothing

[bold cape]

destiny 2 is about the worst game ive seen when it comes to monetization (outside of gacha games, which are literally just casinos)
im very happy with the fact i dropped d2 after the first year

destiny 1 was incredible, and the first year of 2 was great as well
then the rest is history

[hardy raft]

eh world of tanks tank costs like 50 bucks a pop

[spice veldt]

d2 might've hooked me in if the new player onboarding experience was better

[slow karma]

My main qualm with the game is that is built for socialites and I'm not that.

[bold cape]

destiny gameplay is some of the best fps gameplay you can get anywhere
but it aint worth it

[potent echo]

Isn't that an entire tank

[bold cape]

first game is worth your time

[potent echo]

Not just skin

Also it's ftp

Different model

[slow karma]

No other game I've played in the online space so dramatically demands I make buddy=buddy with internet randos wot get through content. I just stopped bothering

[bold cape]

ftp games have some of the worst shit ive seen

[hardy raft]

there are 3d skins for tanks that cost about 10 bucks as well

[potent echo]

File transfer protocol

[hardy raft]

i was quite a whale

[bold cape]

its like yeahhhh its free to try, but like 90% of the actual content is behind a 5k hour playtime grind wall, or hundreds if not thousands of bucks

[potent echo]

Nice

It's a pvp and pay to win

If you are their target audience then you already are

[spice veldt]

insane person

[slow karma]

To be frank, most MMOs do it the exact same way, they just don't have cash shops behind it to speed up that process

[potent echo]

Don't let me catch you with 2.3.4

[bold cape]

ffxiv seems like one of the most reasonable games in that market, if not the most reasonable

[slow karma]

Becaue it was the hail mary of a dying company that fucked it up the first time, nested in a culture that gives shame more weight than the western world ever has

[spice veldt]

wow 2.3.4 ftp sounds like a good version to download!!!

[potent echo]

Everyone's running 2.3.4

Also storing all your credit card numbers in plaintext

[bold cape]

ever just stare at your massive steam library and have no idea what to do
even when you have games that you need to get around to

[slow karma]

Gaming is vibes based.

My steam library is massive but only because of humble bundles years ago and other such bulk things

[bold cape]

i am mega in the vibe to play drg when season 5 drops in a few hours

[slow karma]

Oh it is dropping soon, I forgot what date it came out

I'm super bad at that game

[potent echo]

Play pentiment

[slow karma]

I can handle Damnation here just fine but Haz5 kicks my teeth in

[bold cape]

im so excited for haz5+

[slow karma]

Though the last time I tried was before DT even came out...

[bold cape]

haz5+ 4 players is gonna be INSANE

[slow karma]

I feel like the gunplay is just so much better here

[bold cape]

well yea
but drg is just a whole nother vibe

[slow karma]

As in, that's why I'm so much better at this game than that one

But we'll see

[potent echo]

Wait are they finally adding it officially?

[bold cape]

yes

[potent echo]

Nice

[bold cape]

its customizable so you can have more enemies, tankier enemies, etc

[potent echo]

Imagine playing the M1 garand scout

[bold cape]

personally im cranking that more enemies slider all the way up

[potent echo]

Breakpoints

Starship troopers mod

[bold cape]

i love all the characters
but engi is my fav

[potent echo]

Engi is so nerdy

Building those cheese tunnels or repellant matrices

[bold cape]

the loki smart rifle with explosive chemical rounds hits so incredibly different

[haughty star]

first pokey boi. what is the optiomal combo for this thing if running scriers? i'm assuming either rampage or riposte

[terse saffron]

can this even proc rampage?

[haughty star]

yee on the light swings

[spice veldt]

ds lights have 4.5 cleave nowadays

i'd personally run riposte all the time esp with assail
i disagree with rampage but it seems fine to run rampage if you see it fit

[terse saffron]

feels like im only singling out elites and specials with it and the horde gets block push into whatever staff im using

[haughty star]

i was just thinking for cutting through the horde for disrupt now that that doesn't completely suck

[terse saffron]

crits let you oneshot both ragers though

might want to run illisi then

[haughty star]

thinking i'm gonna try this with aforementioned DS4 and a gun

was thinking heavy pistol but i never see anyone use it

[restive ice]

be bold

[haughty star]

i really like that they retuned disrupt

[karmic finch]

Heavy las is good, but I find myself preferring infantry las IV

Also drop the spreading fire talent

The toughness resist from peril next to it is a stronger as an easy swap, otherwise there's a lot of other spots on the tree

[haughty star]

it's sooo much free damage lol

[karmic finch]

Spreading fire just doesn't do enough to validate the point of your only source of burning is the elite kill node

It isnt

Try a mission with both, and see what % damage is warpfire, then try with only the fire on elite kill

[haughty star]

deffo keep the elite kill one tho?

[karmic finch]

Warpfire only deals significant damage at high stacks

2 elite kills means you kill all chaff nearby, as 6 stacks kills a poxwalker etc

[potent echo]

Las Heavy pistol works well with ghost

[haughty star]

yeah the extra damage resist would be nice too. i don't really wanna run quietide but i gotta get to perilous

i just threw smite on there cuz as a no-perk tool it's semi useful

pretty sure assail by itself isn't as good as smite by itself but i'm no master builder

[ornate hamlet]

smite sux

[haughty star]

as a tool it's nice. i use on builds like this for the knockdown

[marble crater]

Maybe Psykentic's Aura instead of Wildfire, if you pick Smite instead of Assail already

[ornate hamlet]

average smite psyker getting absolutely fucking rinsed the picosecond their team stops killing shit for them

[karmic finch]

4 stacks from wildfire isn't even just 2/3rds the damage of 6 (the minimum to kill a mook), each soulblaze stack buffs the others, so the net result is less than half that damage

[plucky flax]

I like smiter.

[wind spruce]

There's no way wildfire is worth it

Even perilous combustion is questionable on gun psyker

[plucky flax]

Combustion always worth

[wind spruce]

It averages about 3-5% of your damage

[karmic finch]

The only reason why wildfire is ok on burning builds is because you have ways to immediately add to those 4 stacks and make them useful

[hardy raft]

tbh the elite kill giving unlimited +3 to surrounding targets is more important than wildfire

[wind spruce]

I don't think anyones questioning that

[plucky flax]

I killed so many chaffs just from shooting elites here
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1046914150363844779/1234573320947499128/Untitled_video_-_Made_with_Clipchamp_4_1.mp4?ex=666be440&is=666a92c0&hm=7d449c23332972b9a928da3ecac20c87817c295d6764057c6119bd9d1176e012&

[haughty star]

i could spec over for one with the warp but anticipation would be really nice for going glassy DS4 forcused

[karmic finch]

Combustion is good more because of when it is good, rather than the stats at the end screen, kill 2 elites and all nearby chaff are dead, kill like 3 elites and medium enemies start dying and any elites are left low.

Vs packs of ragers, or packs of shotgunners, combustion does huge work, especially if there is also a horde.

[wind spruce]

That doesn't change the overall damage output

[plucky flax]

This is why scoreboard should be banned

[karmic finch]

So in crowded and high pressure situations combustion does huge amounts.

And in non crowded, lower pressure situations? You don't need it anyway lol.

[plucky flax]

It makes a huge difference against elite pack

[ornate hamlet]

or just be a normal person and point and laugh at people who take scoreboard overlyseriously

[potent echo]

Scoreboard is for myself to see how much I'm carrying

[wind spruce]

No, dude. This is exactly why the scoreboard is useful. It's objective data compared to your vibe based analysis

I only said it's questionable, not that you shouldn't take perilous on gunker

[plucky flax]

Must be for me when you can save tons of both ammo and assail when coming up against elites pack. It's an easy 1 point investment. I struggle to think why you would say its unquestionable

[plucky flax]

Like baffled

[haughty star]

so throw last point into empathetic and call er a day?

[bold cape]

you take smite but not psykinetics aura? that’s like the entire reason you’d take smite over assail for gunker
but you take wildfire?
now this is just insane lmao

[wind spruce]

Idk what's baffling about the fact that it's 3-5% of your overall damage. Doing 40k out of 800k isn't "saving you a ton of ammo" in any reality

[haughty star]

not liking assail is not insanity lol the whole point of the build is to not lean into the blitz

[bold cape]

not liking assail isn’t insanity. not taking psykinetics aura is

and taking wildfire over it even moreso

[ornate hamlet]

brain burst 4 lyfe

[haughty star]

ok that's literally why i came here to pick brains lol no need to be a prick about it

[bold cape]

i take smite on gunker but i never use it, the whole reason is for psykinetics aura
it is an incredibly powerful talent

[plucky flax]

I always run creeping flames so my soulblaze stat shows difference. I don't know if it's on 5% damage for me. My recommendation is always to take it.

[haughty star]

makes sense i actually didn't realize it was per elite kill

[bold cape]

sorry if that came off as being a prick, im not trying to be
it’s just an insanely powerful option

[haughty star]

that's pretty insanely strong

[plucky flax]

Now you can use stats or whatever you want, but I have seen enough gameplay from my own pov to know the effectiveness of that 1 point from soulstealer/quietude

[bold cape]

like i take smite but i dont use smite, its just for that node lmao
id use assail but that node alone is worth taking over it

[haughty star]

i like the force push from assail

Smite*

[plucky flax]

Especially with assail/gun build.

[wind spruce]

We're talking about builds where it's your only source dude, cmon

[haughty star]

if you quick with it it can get you out of some shitty situations

[bold cape]

smite is pulled out maybe once every 3 games in my case

[haughty star]

okay so in THIS case would it be worth taking wildfire for the little extra DEEPS?

[spice veldt]

my argument would be that perilous is outputting damage in scenarios where elites/specials are in play

even if the proportion of damage in an overall game is low

e.g., it is similar to a +elite damage node

[plucky flax]

Gun psyker is your statement. I'm referring to my gun psyker.

[haughty star]

really the only other thing i could think to throw it in is empathetic and that's kinda meh

[plucky flax]

Dude....

[bold cape]

id take emphatic evasion
tho i prefer to take seers presence and grab one with the warp as well

[hardy raft]

i thin gunpsyker its def worth it, gunpsyker has excellent elite killing potential and it helps with hordes a bit

[haughty star]

i'm mostly building this to pull the most out of the DS4

[bold cape]

i only take wildfire on builds that are built around soulblaze
i also dont take PC on gunker either

[spice veldt]

and it's a talent that i consider to have "clutch" value because of some potential scaling

e.g., this is an exaggerated example https://medal.tv/games/warhammer-40000-darktide/clips/1GAgL5pRVmvw38/XTRhshTW888b?invite=cr-MSxYZEosMjA3NTgzNjU1LA

and still has some value besides clutch scenarios, though you're probably just curbstomping games with the damage output on your primary/secondary/blitz

[wind spruce]

you're literally running only combustion in the video you linked

[karmic finch]

We are only advocating for PC

[wind spruce]

i agree with you arco, and thats why the answer to the question is to take it

[plucky flax]

It's for the stupid gazer penance show case

[wind spruce]

but its not a necessary node on gunker

[karmic finch]

Wildfire is garbage unless you're on a more soulblaze focused weapon

[bold cape]

this is what i run on gunker, i have my ds4 95% the time, gun comes out on a boss or just when something just needs to die

[wind spruce]

Three gunker games not even 100k damage from warpfire between them

[bold cape]

i would never take wildfire on something other than purg and blaze trauma

[quartz barn]

Pretty much this

[hardy raft]

17 burning, thats something

wildfire is too low to actually invest unless you actively dispense warpfire

and not kill elites

[haughty star]

ohh shit i forgot about riposte

[plucky flax]

My surge creeping flames build say hi

[haughty star]

thats gross

[bold cape]

oh and ep smite, but we dont talk about that

[hardy raft]

why not prug

ok im running a gross smite prug build rn to test but still

[wind spruce]

my build is identical i just take brain burst and PC over purloin

[bold cape]

riposte or shred over rampage will do you better 9/10 times on ds4 as far as im concerned

[plucky flax]

Wildfire surge staff
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1046914150363844779/1249068453684449360/image.png?ex=666be3e5&is=666a9265&hm=645ccddaa3aff49c6929511125c138859cb83337de000ad0ebd713197d397929&

[haughty star]

this is my first decent DS4 so i'll get there lol

[quartz barn]

I personally use shred with uncanny, but only because riposte is inconsistent

[haughty star]

so far just been focused on getting the FS blessings and shiz

[bold cape]

oh yeah for sure it’s not bad
but crit is crazy on it

the 2 shot crusher high is real

[haughty star]

yeah i got turned on to it by my 2nd psyker

[wind spruce]

beautiful stuff

[quartz barn]

Lame that slide dodging results in the game not registering you actually dodging an attack

[haughty star]

never had used it until i was leveling that up and i was just kinda breezing through 4s at level 15 lol

[bold cape]

i have shred on mine, but id like to have riposte

[haughty star]

dying a lil bit but eh

[spice veldt]

incan best mod by giving the greatest perilous combustion propaganda piece that i have ever seen

my relevant reddit flair

[plucky flax]

Always take it if able.

[quartz barn]

Mfw i didnt use it during selfish's and i's auric storm carry

Mb boys

Still hit 550k lmao

[haughty star]

this gave me flashbacks to this from our internal lol

[spice veldt]

i'm proud to be a part of unlocking a core memory for you

[bold cape]

BB isn’t my favorite, to me it feels like a weaker, slower soulstealer staff from vt2 but that’s just me
and building around it specifically with EP/cast speed still ain’t my favorite
much prefer other builds

[plucky flax]

What didn't you use?

[quartz barn]

Perilous

[plucky flax]

Bad. :c

[haughty star]

my favorite is deffo surge staff

just feels fun as fuck

[quartz barn]

Because i was going for penances and needed the skill points...

[bold cape]

dont like smite either, but i take it for psykinetics
assail is fun but, no psykinetics, i use it for my void build

[haughty star]

i do surge with smite, venting specced to creeping, and the funny tree on the left with all the perks

only really lean on smite once or twice a game but it's cool just flattening out a whole horde with one vent lol

sometimes that breathing room aspect of smite really helps

[bold cape]

i didnt tell you this but you should try that but with empowered psionics instead

[haughty star]

i did and it's cool and all but i like having my surge ramped up

[plucky flax]

I found the scoreboard. Surge op monster damage
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1046914150363844779/1240687928548659210/image.png?ex=666bb96d&is=666a67ed&hm=66e165199652e7dba8c2dd28d328719e96a11cc23d46585ced0f8546f6fd5c89&

[bold cape]

ep smite brainrot is real
dont let it consume you

[haughty star]

surge is only really fun with some EP stacks rolling

i won't lol i play that build for my surge and use the smite to overcome it's shortcomings lol

[bold cape]

@lethal lagoon we mourn this man every day for what it has done to his brain

[haughty star]

coupled with the true trash tier Illisi with slaughter and uncanny it's a pretty reliable team supportive build

might even say brain dead lol

[limpid lodge]

you know pain can become addicting i think you enjoy smiting yourself

[bold cape]

support build? in my darktide?

im kidding
just dont take smite with bubble and im happy

[haughty star]

my buddy was watching me dip my weirner into the void with my surge earlier and he said it was giving him anxiety how many times i was about to explode over the course of 20 seconds lol

[bold cape]

peril edging is the way

[limpid lodge]

only when your connection is good

[haughty star]

i'm like constantly teetering between fire reborn and the vampire one tho

both are incredibly inconsistent on which gains my stacks back faster lol

[bold cape]

id say never take fire reborn unless youre using purg or something

[haughty star]

that's just it tho with fully charged venting shriek so much stuff dies so fast from wildfire lol

i've had it give me all six charges back in one shout like bruhh

[bold cape]

tho im mildly unfamiliar with warp, disrupt destiny is my fav

[haughty star]

warp is pretty much a must have if you wanna be a surge enjoyer

[bold cape]

i only have surge on my ep smite build
it isn’t my favorite staff to use tbh
lacks that same oomph for me as void or trauma

[haughty star]

this is what i run to enjoy surge albeit i might be switching over to aura after this convo

[haughty star]

it do when you got the WC for it. basically anything with a gun dies and everything else get's tazed lol

[bold cape]

blaze trauma is just op, and void has you sending bowling balls of destruction down hallways knocking down and annihilating anything at head level

[haughty star]

this the staff i use

[bold cape]

always, and i mean always take psykinetics aura when you can
that and wildfire are on opposite sides of the power spectrum lmao
id also say kinetic presence is just not worth taking, especially with the sheer value that is teamwide 10% cdr

[haughty star]

every little bit helps when runnign surge lol helps it get down to those breakpoints

[rigid sky]

On the other hand, gotta get that aura penance

I do wonder if the elite damage aura is slightly underappreciated though, but the other two auras we have are just so good

[haughty star]

i don't use seers cuz i don't like to let go of my charges that much lol

[marble crater]

Here is a thought, do take Kinetic Presence because every other psyker is running the cooldown aura anyway

[rigid sky]

Charges are meant to be spent

Primary benefit is the ability cdr

[bold cape]

id also highly suggest you using ability a lot

maybe not right on cooldown, but very often

[haughty star]

i use it anytime there's a gagglefuck that's worth it

[karmic finch]

Gotta say the elite aura does make a well rolled surge staff one shot gunners on a non crit full charge with high peril (if you also have +flak damage) and that feels pretty good

[marble crater]

Yeah if you don't use your ability a lot just pick EP instead

[karmic finch]

So for that breakpoint alone, the aura ain't bad

[rigid sky]

And imo stick with Shriek for warp siphon

[bold cape]

people just sit on their ability waiting for the perfect moment to cast and end up getting way less value out of it than if they just popped it whenever instead

[haughty star]

sorry but not with surge lol

surge is ass without WS

[marble crater]

Then spam your ability

[karmic finch]

Surge with warp battery and venting shriek is way too fun, you be shouting every like 10-12s

[rigid sky]

You're basically taking a pistol and using it as a club atm

[bold cape]

^

[haughty star]

no i just don't waste the charges on small groupings lol

no point in wasting a shout if it's not a good group

[rigid sky]

Also EP smite Surge is legit

True

Play hi5stg+

So every group is massive

[bold cape]

and yeah i use surge with ep and it’s still good

use it on my ep smite

[haughty star]

not nearly as good as fullly charged WS

[rigid sky]

Less point investment

[haughty star]

just not fun playing it any other way for me

i use smite as a tool not a main focus of damage that's the staff and shrieks job for this build

[bold cape]

also yeah in auric 5s you always have a reason to pop shriek

[haughty star]

not really lol erryone always acts like literally everyone here doesn't play on auric lol

there's still a lot of lulls

seers is wasted for shriek and surge imo just too much loss in break points

[bold cape]

reminder it’s for your entire team and that buff is huge

[haughty star]

fuck those guys

[hardy raft]

hot take: blazing trauma isnt op, it just gives snowball-ability to a decent AoE staff

[haughty star]

so is the elite damage and it's multiplicative lol

most CDs are 30 seconds that 3 seconds ain't nothing lol

[marble crater]

Exactly, please buff it.

[bold cape]

that is very not true
there are a lot of times where you wish you had that ability now rather than in 3 seconds

[haughty star]

just poor planning imo

[karmic finch]

Cooldown reduction is additive iirc, that's why it gets so silly on -cd maelstrom.

The other reason for running elite aura though, is that most psykers run cooldown aura, so if you ever party up with one you have both anyway

Even most gunkers I see take it

[haughty star]

lol but yeah the whole point to my build is running surge to it's best and it's hella fun like this

[bold cape]

it also adds up, just lets you pop your ability more and that’s value
that + psykinetics aura is incredible for your team as more ults is always a good thing
like if people are actually using their abilities it’s insane how much use you get out of a seemingly “small” buff

[haughty star]

but it doesn't make sense if you're trying to get the most out of surge lol

[marble crater]

Psykentic's Aura my beloved

[haughty star]

surge is really strong if it's built for it

without actually gearing towards it you may as well run any other staff but purg

i'd even go as far to say kinetic is mandatory for true surge enjoying

[marble crater]

You should still take Psykentic's instead of Wildfire though, you can discard Battle Meditation instead

[haughty star]

yee i think after this evenings convo i'll be doing that

seriously after 500 hours didn't realize that one was every elite i just skimmed and thought it was a passive lmao

meditation is difficult one for me lol because i know it doesn't do much but then you get that one or five extra shots off because of it and it makes you question wanting to get rid of it lol

[marble crater]

I picked the extra jump on smite instead of Battle Meditation, the faster spread is fun for those oh shit moments, I know I don't need it, but I do enjoy the smite spreading very quickly

[haughty star]

like in this use case every time it procs that's one extra high peril shot with no pause that has potential to be a crit

[ornate hamlet]

is the illisi special mainly for densely packed enemies

[haughty star]

so it's hard to put a damage figure on it

[haughty star]

i believe it's just straight up cleave and power increase

[karmic finch]

Battle meditations isn't very value, it's ok on an ep smite build, but that's about the only build where I think it might be worth the point

EP is pretty cheap in points compared to the other capstones, so you have room to take more of the less optimal points

[marble crater]

And for slicing muties in half

[haughty star]

@spice veldt would be the one to ask for the specifics on that one. i spam it anyway to keep peril up

i hate that i like the illisi it just feels so good when you get those mixed combos in

[spice veldt]

pretty much though i will pedantically say that it's not "power" being increased

[haughty star]

is it a rending thing? or just kind of it's own thing

i know cleave is a factor of it

[spice veldt]

i'm of the firm opinion that the special is what makes the illisi the illisi and that you should use it pretty frequently

the special has its own damage profile that has better base damage, cleave, and stagger

[haughty star]

otherwise it's just a shitty dclaw with no funny riposte attack

[bold cape]

never was a huge fan of force swords compared to pswords

wasn’t a big fan of using pswords much either until i got pcycler

[haughty star]

Strange. i have like as meta of a psword as you can get and i hate the thing lol

[karmic finch]

Power cycler IV is game changing

[spice veldt]

at least pre-skill tree, there was a stronger argument for the illisi compared to playing psword vet since that was back when vet had no melee talents

[haughty star]

just feels like shitty illisi

[karmic finch]

Though the improved animation narrows the gap a bit if you don't have it

[haughty star]

haven't tried since new animation

maybe i'll have to give it another go

[karmic finch]

Just makes charging the sword mid combo faster

[spice veldt]

nowadays, the illisi is pretty stifled to me because of having to reactivate the special constantly and that does not vibe well with me esp after i've already burnt many of my hours with it already (and have gotten to psword vet)

[bold cape]

i have pcycler 3 and it’s still a totally different weapon to no cycler

[karmic finch]

Instead of pulling you into the default charge animation

[bold cape]

i dont care enough to get 4, fuck rng

[haughty star]

i got PS4 on my first PS ever lol

[karmic finch]

Got lucky with melk, don't try rolling for it lol

[haughty star]

took me literally 300 hours to get Slaughterer IV for FS tho LMAO

[marble crater]

Power Sword is fun for 2 to 3 games, then I get annoyed by the constant special use and switch to shovel to just bonk

[spice veldt]

psword to me is straight up better than the illisi without a question because of brutal momentum's existence, pcycler's existence, and baseline better anti-cara

the absurd generalist damage output is a no contest

[bold cape]

psword6’s ability to delete hordes and crushers with the same efficiency is peak

[haughty star]

My only gripe about psword mainly

[karmic finch]

The "ignore hit mass on headshot" is the best second perk on psword

[haughty star]

is it's just not good charged

[karmic finch]

Let's you just delete whole rows of enemies

[haughty star]

the illisi is still OKAY

psword is awful without it's special

[karmic finch]

This is very true, you basically use it charged or push

[ornate hamlet]

can someone explain what surge blessing does i dont understand the wording

[karmic finch]

Uncharged attacks don't even take out chaff well

[spice veldt]

on a crit, it'll shoot out a second projectile soon afterwards

[bold cape]

crits shoot two projectiles

[ornate hamlet]

for free or at peril cost

[spice veldt]

*warning: surge doesn't work on the trauma staff's secondary

for free

[bold cape]

free

[ornate hamlet]

neat

[bold cape]

allows you to do some real funny stuff with void

[haughty star]

how hilarious would surge be with surge lol

[wind spruce]

Like one shotting crushers

[bold cape]

1 shotting crushers feels great

[ornate hamlet]

Some real haha moments, nomsayin

[spice veldt]

the normal attacks going pretty much unused is why i want a battery mechanic or whatever for psword so that there's some incentive to use normal attacks while preserving the special's significant increase in damage output

[karmic finch]

If you got it on trauma, cry, it only works on the left click.

If you get it on void strike it's strong but not op, because most stuff is gonna die to a crit hit anyway lol, especially if running DD.

So only really shines against crushers and monsters

[spice veldt]

keep the damage output (well, it still needs to be toned down) and balance around the uptime

[rigid sky]

Also can be good for scrier's builds

[haughty star]

Vet is just too strong in general

[spice veldt]

for psyker, the battery mechanic already exists in the form of peril and this is why we shouldn't have to reactivate it constantly

[rigid sky]

otoh oneshotting crushers is the best thing ever, and sometimes the second shot penetrates further into a crowd because the first one has already cleared a path

[haughty star]

i could literally fall assleep on my vet in AD lol

[ornate hamlet]

my current plan is run shriek and warp syphon for lots of voidstaff uptime

[rigid sky]

Shriek and DD is a killer combo too

you can reliably oneshot crushers with your void

[bold cape]

i dont mind psword not being good uncharged, my special is on my mouse and its just fun to use for me

[spice veldt]

since the illisi is a copy of pre-patch 13 psword (not metaphorically but very literally, since the illisi inherited some obvious properties of the psword)

[ornate hamlet]

i though DD was for gunker

[rigid sky]

and voidstrike (and maybe assail if you like) is really good at killing blue bois

It's for gunker AND voidstrike

[ornate hamlet]

ic

[rigid sky]

It's for anything that gets good weakspots and crits

[spice veldt]

i run DD on trauma as well since I use assail + ds4 a lot

[bold cape]

dd is for anything weakspot, so guns and voidstrike
voidstrike dd is insane

[ornate hamlet]

oki

[karmic finch]

Same issue, a second crit shot is only relevant if the enemy didn't die to the first one (or someone isn't behind).

I'd rather play with the weakspot vent and charge rate blessings if I run scriers

[rigid sky]

which means all of our good melee weapons and guns, and our voidstrike, and assail

[rigid sky]

Battle meditation?

[spice veldt]

DD is a pretty cheap keystone because there are builds where taking True Aim is a given, and you can invest 2 points (10 second upgrade) if you want to save 1 point

[bold cape]

ds4 also benefits massively from it

[rigid sky]

I was talking about something else in that message @karmic finch

[karmic finch]

No, the vent peril on weakspot hit, on void strike staves

[haughty star]

i just wish psword felt as good as illisi, crushers aside

[karmic finch]

Shoot through hordes and you never have to vent, even with scriers going

[haughty star]

a well built illisi only takes 3 or 4 to drop a crusher anyway and you feel like a jedi doing it

[rigid sky]

Oh right

I was referring more to SG guns

but yeah you're right there

[bold cape]

psword6 is one of my favorite melees in the game
versatility is quite literally unmatched

[rigid sky]

I have never done SG staff apart from one disasterous game at the start of patch 13 that made me quit psyker for a month

[bold cape]

and thanks to weapon customization, my psword actually looks good

[rigid sky]

A well built PS6 takes 2 to drop a crusher

PA L4 combo

[karmic finch]

It's the spiciest way to play

[wind spruce]

3 to 4 charged attacks is a lifetime though

[cosmic sigil]

And your performance is tanked

[rigid sky]

I was also perfectionism DD on it lmao

[spice veldt]

at least in terms of feeling, psword is better since you get to have different animations when spamming the special and aren't constantly seeing the same right-to-left heavy sweep all the time (and pcycler's existence)

[hardy raft]

i use maniac on mine so requires a crit

[rigid sky]

Maniac/carapace is the meta for power swords iirc

or some combo with elites too

[bold cape]

not really
even then, worth
turning off holstered weapons has improved stability significantly

[rigid sky]

Mine is maniac/carapace anyway

[spice veldt]

though i also have like 500+ hours on illisi so maybe i am just worn out by the animation

[rigid sky]

Better mutant and crusher kill combos

[haughty star]

animation aside literally opposite emotions here lol

[wind spruce]

I wore myself out on it pre-patch 13

[haughty star]

psword feels like melee from oblivion or some shiz lol

[wind spruce]

Can't bear it anymore

[spice veldt]

my degeneracy obligates me to run weapons such as psword no matter what

[cosmic sigil]

Wdym "holstered weapons"?

[haughty star]

just can't bring myself to like it

[broken carbon]

setting for the weapon customization mod

[haughty star]

i'd personall rather run dclaw and shoot them on my vet lol

[rigid sky]

Power sword is really strong but it's not like you need it to be a good vet

I like my chainsword 4 a lot

[broken carbon]

let’s you see people’s weapons on their backs

[bold cape]

weapon customization mod displays weapons not currently in use on your back, but also other players’ backs
and there’s a memory leak or something with it, and disabling it significantly improves stability of the mod

[rigid sky]

if I have any kind of anti-crusher in the rest of my kit

[spice veldt]

the modmaker himself did remark on noticeable inefficiencies with weapon cust

[haughty star]

dclaw is way better all around for anything but crusher and my volver one taps those lol

plus safer

[rigid sky]

Have you tried the assault chainswords too btw?

[broken carbon]

one shotting a crusher?

with a revolver?

how

[bold cape]

dclaw better than psword6? no shot

[rigid sky]

Chainsword 4 is the fastest horde clear in the veteran's kit iirc

[haughty star]

no i haven't but the dclaw just feels so versatile

i use VII tho for the Heavy overhand mix ins

strikedown or whatever tf it's called

[rigid sky]

Chainsword 4 is my baby

[bold cape]

it’s got issues but makes the game wayy better, for me anyway

[rigid sky]

Plus hitting a revved heavy on a mutant as it rushes past you

[bold cape]

even if it caused half my crashes lmao

[rigid sky]

and then it dies like 5m away from you

is amazing

Literally the only enemy type that it isn't amazing vs is crushers

[haughty star]

with the perk that gives you more rending or elite damage on abiltiy use. been a while since i did anything to my vet cuz it just works lol

[broken carbon]

handcannon

[haughty star]

noo in the tree

[wind spruce]

They are nasty af with DD and scriers

[haughty star]

yesss handcannon obviously

[broken carbon]

oh

fair

[haughty star]

it's left side

[broken carbon]

i don’t really play vet that often

[karmic finch]

But boop their snoot with a ds4 and they die anyway

[broken carbon]

my vets only level like, 120

[haughty star]

my vet works so friking well it's just boring lol

[bold cape]

like being able to change the chunky psword into an actually decent looking sword is peak

[broken carbon]

most of my levels are on zealot

[cosmic sigil]

I had everything turned off (randomization, weapons on the back) and it was still unstable af. The memory leak is on FS side, mods only worsen it. But tbh with the amount of hour I have on that game my inventory is probably one of the reasons the game was crashing so often.

[karmic finch]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-kitten-nose-poweroff-goodnight-gif-3154708980115706264

Ds4 Vs muties

[haughty star]

i use it if i'm on a bad night and don't feel like being frustrated

zealot is my go to for nights i'm feeling on. psyker is just my main because it's the one i have the most fun on and it complements my friends loadouts well

[cosmic sigil]

Holy

[haughty star]

i hate ogryn. if i had to guess my ogryn would be like a level 50

just boring. gungren sucks, there's only one gun i like for it and i like none of the melees

[broken carbon]

i haven’t even made an ogryn

850ish hours n no ogryn lmfao

[bold cape]

that’s wild

[haughty star]

hell even it's main schtick {shield} can pretty much be done better with a good FS

[bold cape]

literally first thing i did was make 4 characters and level them all to 30

[broken carbon]

yah cica makes fun of me for it lmfao

[hardy raft]

unperfectly built ds4 vs muties:

[spice veldt]

it was only ~1k hours in that i decided to start playing other classes

[karmic finch]

Really not a hard breakpoint to reach lol

[haughty star]

one of my favorite activities is flexing the KD against the deamonhost lol

[spice veldt]

i started with vet though i played that for only ~60 hours before diving into psyker for a long wwhile

[bold cape]

yall are crazy

[hardy raft]

just dont have maniac

[spice veldt]

i'm justified by being a seer main

[cosmic sigil]

I love all 4 classes but psyker was the one I had a hard time with after p13

[haughty star]

not a huge fan of anything but vet and psyker and my vets just too good to run anything else

[hardy raft]

staff seer recommendations?

[bold cape]

id use zealot more if hadron would quit bricking literally everything i try to roll on her

[spice veldt]

i'm a degenerate so i pretty much always run trauma

[haughty star]

i made a brain burst EP shield build earlier that works.. Okayish

[rigid sky]

I was more talking vet for some reason but yeah lol

I tried chainsword on my psyker, it felt a bit pointless

given psyker exclusive melee weapons are op

[haughty star]

they have to be to make up for being made of literal paper mache

that and KD

[rigid sky]

yeah

[haughty star]

love my psyker to death but god damn it can be unforgiving at the worst times lol

[rigid sky]

we have to kill stuff in melee very fast, otherwise we crumble

The double bruiser punch of death is lethal

[bold cape]

ds4 my beloved

[rigid sky]

might as well get hit by a mauler

[karmic finch]

Trauma can be used in melee though, just blast your feet, nothing touches you

[rigid sky]

yeah, min charge blasts are really good for personal survival

[karmic finch]

Don't need melee (other than the occasional burster push and mute poke)

[haughty star]

thank god we have the staff specials tho

really hold the psyker down

bonk

[karmic finch]

Surge can do that up to a point, but too dense a bunch and you need something else, I find shout is enough nearly all the time

[bold cape]

ugh id literally kill for a good blaze trauma
i already dumped so much shit in trying to get one with all 4 perks, im done trying to gamble for it lmao
ive settled on just using void

[haughty star]

surge is so fun

[cosmic sigil]

Bruisers are fearsome

[haughty star]

if it won't kill it it'll hold it there till it do

packs of crushers just trivialized by one shocky boi

[rigid sky]

It'll happen some day

[hardy raft]

made a revolver psyker taht uses EP smite to kill everything

thats fun

[haughty star]

i can't remember the last time i've been hit by any swort of maniac or crusher running surge lol

or even feared it

or my teammates for that matter lol

[karmic finch]

Most of my deaths on surge when I do go down are chaos spawns or beasts in a terribly small tile

[haughty star]

that's why i run a stam curio

[bold cape]

im more a fan of overwhelming destructive power than cc
surge dd void is very good at delivering bowling balls of said overwhelming destructive power

[karmic finch]

Normal enemies are just not that bad, even en masse

[haughty star]

stam curio is for cheesing the force sword block

with KD you basically shield ogryn

[rigid sky]

EP smite + shriek combo is overwhelming destructive power and cc

[bold cape]

surely the crafting update will fix it and we’ll all have a good blaze trauma
surely..

[rigid sky]

but your brain cells start to die

[bold cape]

lack of skill expression or, really any expression at all kills me after 1 game of using it

[haughty star]

surge WS shriek is my sweet spot

just so fun living life at 90 percent peril lol

[bold cape]

like i said before
smite is “great” cause not only do you decide how you play, but you get to make that decision for the rest of your team, too!

[hardy raft]

dont muties go right through first

[haughty star]

they usually get tazed or die on 2nd charge depending on where your WS stacks and peril are at

even so muties are hilariously easy to dodge these days

idk if i've gotten better or they made them worse but they pretty sad

[urban sandal]

mutants only become anywhere near problematic in the middle of a mixed horde, boss or a wave of them especially with something like bursters

so they're nearly harmless on their own

[plucky flax]

Funny because all the vets moved to psyker when p13 dropped to abuse assails.

[cosmic sigil]

I am zealot main tbh

I dunno, I liked the infinite dodges illisi + shredder life

[plucky flax]

Yeah infinite dodges on illsi was peak dt.

[cosmic sigil]

Like sustained fire vet

Rip

[plucky flax]

Yeah removal of that talent destroyed bolter for me.

I am simple I just want to spray bolter rounds. :c

[cosmic sigil]

I do play staves a lot more now, so it's better a way

Bolter is mostly zealot for me

With knives and dance of dance I remove some of the shortcomings

Bolter vet is really really expensive. And at that point just take a revolver...

[ornate hamlet]

what perks do i want on curios

[karmic finch]

Plasma just outclasses boltor in every use case other than monster damage, and it's not far behind there

So on vet it feels bad

[ornate hamlet]

rn i got toughness and gunner resist + whatever rnjesus gives me

[cosmic sigil]

Toughness / hp / gunner resistance

[karmic finch]

On zealot I lean on revolver as the mobility allows me to use heavy eviscerator and still be a speedy boi