psyker-class

[upper sun]

also ogryn i would say if theyre good with staggers

[hardy raft]

melee only psyker might have issues with em

[upper sun]

vet a bit less so since one small jab is enough to nuke will of iron

[karmic finch]

You should have peril on block, so can block almost forever, so block, and run to your team, ezpz

[hardy raft]

run to your team is offf for pubs

but yea

good stuff

[upper sun]

do i sense a defence deimos enjoyer?

[karmic finch]

I think the problem is, most builds can handle ragers to an extent, but if you go beyond that, just kite to your team

Trauma staff or ogryn shield? That limit doesn't exist, have fun

[hardy raft]

trapper for latter tbh

[karmic finch]

I have one of these, it's a funny time

[upper sun]

i stole that picture

[karmic finch]

Mine is not this good lol, but close

[upper sun]

my defense deimos is uncanny 1 deflector 4 block 3 stamina 3

[upper sun]

kusu dclaw

[untold niche]

how comparable is destiny 2 to darktide?

[upper sun]

its fun theres no melee guns are nice ablities are nice and a bit more complicated

there is a story

but the dlc is expensive

[untold niche]

like the actual gameplay.
need use brain? or really just shoot and shoot only

like borderlands

shoot and sometimes use ability for damage

[upper sun]

and after you buy content itll get vaulted eventually

[karmic finch]

Destiny has some raids that are very in depth

[worn beacon]

Another question

[upper sun]

try it free to play then see if you like it

[worn beacon]

What should be perks/blessings on surge?

[upper sun]

but in my opnion its expensive

[karmic finch]

So complexity of gameplay is much better than just "hit button"

[untold niche]

i played d1 its just shoot and sometimes use ability for damage

[upper sun]

flurry+nexus flak and your choice of elite/maniac/unyielding/crit

[worn beacon]

thank you

[upper sun]

destiny 2 is free up until level 16 i think

you cant do missions higher than that until you buy some dlc/pass

[karmic finch]

Dump stat on surge is peril gen, you don't really want to skimp on any of the others.

[upper sun]

yeah

[karmic finch]

Charge rate has a very narrow band so is fine if that's a bit lower, but I wouldn't go past 70

[upper sun]

yeah also that

[untold niche]

hmmm

recently i bought gbf relink and i felt it was kind of a waste of money

mainly grind game

i donm'

t like

[upper sun]

the issue is with charge rate even if its quick you're more likely to release it at less than full charge which does a lot less damage

[untold niche]

not much gameplay

[upper sun]

give it a try you dont have to spend money to get an idea of how the game is

[plucky flax]

Flak maniac flurry nexus.

[upper sun]

id play it if it wasnt so expensive

[karmic finch]

Depends on the enemy type you're hitting whether that matters.

[untold niche]

i find it hard to bel;ieve its not a grind game ngl

as in not much player skill

[upper sun]

i didnt have to grind too much

[untold niche]

mainly about the weapon you have

[upper sun]

theres also a lot of random encounters

you can just walk up to some higher level people doing some shit in an area and get some nice loot for free

i always loved doing that in those types of games

aint no way bruh

[karmic finch]

It's crept up and they don't do enough legacy bundling

[marble crater]

I would play Destiny 2 if the new player experience wasn't so absolutely terrible

[upper sun]

its not that bad as long as you avoid pvp

[untold niche]

destiny pvp is just

[upper sun]

pretty much

its just a game of waiting which meta slave on which team kills everyone

[untold niche]

theres cod, theres cs2, theres valorant, theres overwatch

yet you want to play the fps that win condition is dependent on your gear

i meam its nmot fps but yeah shooter

[upper sun]

all of those are trash tho

[potent echo]

isnt destiny over? i assume not because annual pass

[marble crater]

It's bad, part of the story is just gone now and catching up is basically impossible because a large part of the story is tied to their seasons

[upper sun]

oh yeah 🙂 enjoy all your content being vaulted

[untold niche]

what other fps pvp game is there, all i can think of is siege

[marble crater]

They just announced that they will probably leave the solar system in the future

[upper sun]

all video games are bad now

[potent echo]

theres the new bodycam game

[untold niche]

they stole the idea off unrecord

[potent echo]

nioh stole the idea off darksouls

[untold niche]

nioh is better ds

[upper sun]

just tried starfield again after the last update still bad

UI somehow keeps getting worse

[marble crater]

They charged 7 bucks for a quest

[upper sun]

seems like a fair price to me

[marble crater]

I already paid for the first DLC, so I will play that at least when it's released I guess

[upper sun]

😭 im trying to play stuff but everything is bad

i tried monster hunter world but the combat was so god awful and sticky it was unplayable

darksiders 1 from 14 years ago had better combad

[hearty oak]

play FNV: A tale of two wastelands. If you got the space for it

[marble crater]

Play A Plague Tale

[hardy raft]

vermintide 10/10

[upper sun]

tale of two wastelands doesnt work well with my naruto sex mods

[hearty oak]

A plague tale you can be done in a day. FNV you can take several months to mod and play and mod some more

[upper sun]

took me 2 days

[hearty oak]

Do a melee cannibal playthrough

And eat every major character

[upper sun]

i cant cass will be sad

[hearty oak]

Just make her stand outside

[hardy raft]

can you cannibal in fo4

[upper sun]

idk

i cant remember a single part of that entire game aside from curie 😻

unironically the only redeeming part

[hearty oak]

You can but it wasnt rewarding when you ate major characters

[upper sun]

starfield finally bent the knee and added ammo crafting

[hardy raft]

...does any of the reqard you aside from bonus points

[upper sun]

i wonder if in the next 35 years well get a new vegas 2

[hardy raft]

do you like her as a robot

or synth

[upper sun]

synth

[hardy raft]

smh

[digital narwhal]

Nah, not yet

They even confirmed a Year 11

[upper sun]

chainsaw hands hurt 😭

[hearty oak]

No. It just a funny perk

[tired estuary]

we're getting fallout 77, 78 and 79 at the least before nv2

[upper sun]

worth the wait

darktide should hold off the jitters until then

[upper sun]

synths are not robots

also synths are not cannon change my mind

[hearty oak]

Nothing is canon beyond Black isles fallout and New Vegas

[upper sun]

so tru

[hardy raft]

yes

as much as vegas having some rough shit it has some memorable characters

https://tenor.com/view/new-vegas-god-fallout-we-cant-expect-god-to-do-all-the-work-gif-21038212

[hearty oak]

https://tenor.com/view/fall-out-singing-mr-house-gif-22069685

[hardy raft]

isnt he like the only mormon based guy

in videogames and be decently represented

[hearty oak]

That was daniel

But daniel also had two bad endings whether you did side with him or not

[hardy raft]

no blue archive or other gacha games dont count thats bullshit

[ivory wharf]

I will admit psyker is allot of fun

I am quite enjoying the surge staff

[marble crater]

[plucky flax]

Most op staff for real.

[karmic finch]

Surge staff is best staff.

(Trauma is stronger but less fun, therefore not best)

[plucky flax]

Trauma bad.

Especially blaze.

[karmic finch]

We only say that publicly to get more buffs

[plucky flax]

Blazing spirits t4.

[dense valley]

What if "Secret of the Machine God" is actually a bot update

I mean the name checks out

[karmic finch]

5 stacks per crit max 10¿

We can dream

[potent echo]

coom

[hearty oak]

gamer

gameer

||gaymer||

[dusk void]

Rending trauma is bad?

[potent echo]

yes

[plucky flax]

I think 4 to max 8 is better.

[dusk void]

Damn, I might be playing it wrong then

[plucky flax]

And fairer.

[karmic finch]

More realistic yes

[plucky flax]

Real talk its not as good as blaze trauma. But blaze is super hard to craft

[dusk void]

But the amount of damage you can do to the armor for rending as compared to blaze

[karmic finch]

The issue is that brittleness is just kinda bad.

Trauma itself doesn't benefit much, and you won't really help your team because people won't use weapons that benefit.

Brittle stacks make weapons shit against carapace mediocre against them instead. An ally isn't going to be hitting carapace with a weapon shit against them.

Meanwhile weapons good Vs carapace gain almost nothing from the stacks

Which is what they are more likely to use

[plucky flax]

Blaze is so much better than rending even in melee scab only.

That's all armoured.

[rigid sky]

The better part of the brittleness one is the warp flurry tbh

Crits are kinda poop on trauma iirc unless you have blazing spirit to make them amazing

[karmic finch]

Flurry and nexus is likely better in most cases

[dusk void]

So this staff is trash then?

[rigid sky]

So you go flurry / brittle because it's just more value than flurry / nexus iirc

[potent echo]

a grey trauma is already an S tier

[rigid sky]

The crit is unfortunate

Change the perk to flak

Much more important

[potent echo]

brittle is just more consistent vs elites

[rigid sky]

Than carapace

[dusk void]

That’s an old pic lol. I did that already

[potent echo]

i never really understood blaze trauma though, still use rending

[rigid sky]

So the other perk is still poop sadly

Keep it for as long as it takes to find a better one

[potent echo]

i say that in present tense but I stopped playing trauma for months now

[rigid sky]

You're widening the top of the sombrero of damage

[upper sun]

I dont play anything thats likely to get nerfed so i dont feel bad when it does get nerfed

[rigid sky]

Trauma has trouble with severe drop off outside of the centre

[potent echo]

i just dont like it because its not consistent

[rigid sky]

But +3 stacks of soulblaze is +3 stacks

[potent echo]

probably does really well regardless

[rigid sky]

True, but it's OK tbh

If it doesn't crit it still pushes them over

[potent echo]

sometimes you crit twice then the horde is dead

[rigid sky]

The blazing spirit part is effective over a long period of time

You'll fire at least like 10 trauma off in any given engagement

Some of them will be effective delayed 1- or 2-shots

Also it makes your minimum charge blasts deadlier

A 10% charge trauma can still crit and apply blaze

[karmic finch]

Brittle doesn't buff the damage trauma deals at all it seems, if the image of damage stats i found is up to date

[dusk void]

Blazing/warp nexus is better than rending/flurry? Damn, y’all are making me want to change my shit staff

[karmic finch]

Brittle closes the gap between carapace damage and unarmoured damage, if there is no gap, you deal no extra from brittle

[rigid sky]

More fun too

[mental rock]

Brittle works the same as rending iirc, so 1/4 of the value after 100%

[karmic finch]

Brittle might help your team, but again, the weapons that benefit from brittle are only the ones really bad against carapace, and most people just won't be using that weapon against carapace...

[rigid sky]

It doesn't help vs unarmoured and infested but should help on everything else still

[dusk void]

Best perks of blazing trauma?

[marble crater]

Killing big boys with epicenter damage while the small things around them burn to death is super fun

[rigid sky]

Flak essential

I like crit for the other

[potent echo]

brittle lets you one shot shotgunners, thats the only meaningful breakpoint i found

[rigid sky]

Others like maniac or unyielding iirc but I don't really get why

[marble crater]

crit chance that is

[rigid sky]

Oh yeah definitely chance

[dusk void]

I have 13 million ordos. I can take my chances

[rigid sky]

Crit damage is junk

[potent echo]

so you boom one shotgunner, the rest are brittled and one-shottable

[marble crater]

Good luck, max charge, blast, high damage and quell, resistance is dump

[dusk void]

But Hadron have been shit to me lately

[marble crater]

When isn't she?

Maybe the update is shooting her into the nearest star

[dusk void]

She needs to go and not fuck up my plastel

[sacred crane]

Lets pray siblings for new psyker exclusive weapons

[upper sun]

hadron rescue mission ||where everyone chooses to fail it||

[dusk void]

Ain’t no way I’m saving that bitch

[upper sun]

imagine and entire new mission type where 90% of the player base refuse to complete out of spite

[dusk void]

She can go die

[sacred crane]

Hadron taking 4k plasteel until I get a good roll

[hollow current]

Only 4k?

[sacred crane]

Real

[lapis violet]

for gunker?

[sacred crane]

Better hope that next blessings is good

If so, it is good

[hollow current]

stopping power is kinda ayuss tho

[sacred crane]

Ayuss?

[hollow current]

ass

[sacred crane]

Isnt stopping power just stagger?

[marble crater]

It's damage against armor, no?

[dusk void]

Fair enough. I have 87K plastel. Let’s make it work then

[hollow current]

It's like a damage multiplier against different armor types

[sacred crane]

All I remember is that its stagger

[sacred crane]

(I barely inspect weapons)

[karmic finch]

Yeah those "damage to" stats are a big swing of damage, usually more than the damage stat

[upper sun]

graia sucks

[rigid sky]

Actually just a thought

[hardy raft]

clad stop speaking facts

[rigid sky]

Rending and brittleness improves ranged adms too right

[sacred crane]

Graia doesnt rlly suck, just outclassed by that one gun

[lapis violet]

yeah this is kinda garbage

though i do like graia

[rigid sky]

Does it also increase the outer radius damage on trauma?

[hardy raft]

everything including DoT so funny lacerate knife

[upper sun]

its not just that it has crazy spread

[hollow current]

Rending is for yourself and brittleness for the team, I think?

[hardy raft]

yea

[upper sun]

ye

[lapis violet]

but

ciag is fine

[hardy raft]

p sure but its not substantial enough to be anything reliable

[lapis violet]

on gunker...

when spread is the issue

...

?

[upper sun]

rending is a self buff brit is an enemy debuff

[hardy raft]

fire*

[karmic finch]

Some builds get enough rending or brittleness to be effective, like vet Columnus builds.

It's relevant if you get enough of it, and you're applying it to a very high DPS weapon to start with

[sacred crane]

Columnus bleeeehhh

[rigid sky]

I misspoke

[upper sun]

the spread is unreal 😭

[rigid sky]

I meant range adms, as in damage drop off

From distance

[hardy raft]

i think it would be the same but CIAG has more dps to not care about some shots missing

gria doesnt

[sacred crane]

Columnus is so fucking boring to use that I rather use the other infantry guns over it

[spice veldt]

sadly not

doesn't work like rumbler

[karmic finch]

Oh, no effect there

[upper sun]

im pretty sure ciag has less spread on movement

[hardy raft]

probably but i dont think you move enough to matter here

[rigid sky]

OK yeah that might have shifted me over to the brittleness trauma

[lapis violet]

does the penance need to be done during the "charging" part of scrier's or does the buff timer you get after it "ends" also apply?

[hardy raft]

just uh.... terrible spread complemennted with terrible DPS

[hollow current]

It seems to work for Trauma staff? At least in the psykanium

[spice veldt]

krags is referring to whether it works like the rumbler or not

for the rumbler, the damage falloff is encoded into the adms

[hardy raft]

it is?

that sucks

[spice veldt]

for the trauma staff, the inner and outer radius are distinct

[karmic finch]

Is Craig the one with penetration to the next enemy behind? Or is that agripaana?

[spice veldt]

CIAG (columnus) is the fastest firing variant

[rigid sky]

Agripinaa guns tend to be the penetration ones

Except for the revolver

[lapis violet]

bumperoo

[rigid sky]

It sacrifices all of its piercing for the autoguns to get it

[karmic finch]

Oh graia sorry, name mixed up

The iag with penetration is pretty good, and easier to control than Columnus, which is a mess unless you crouch

[hollow current]

what the fook is an adms

[thorn cedar]

anal destruction mass

arco is constantly doing math about it

[spice veldt]

armour damage modifier

kill exploits

[thorn cedar]

hes super into it

[spice veldt]

a weapon has a base damage, and the armour damage modifier is a percentage that affects how much of the base damage that you do to a particular armour type

base damage and the armour damage modifier leads to the damage table that you see when hitting [V] in inventory

[lyric burrow]

Very true

I cannot make a single one of the jokes i want to

[thorn cedar]

the golden butthole ratio

[spice veldt]

also https://streamable.com/nuxtbz

[upper sun]

wouldnt happen because the damage is higher so less shots need to land

[spice veldt]

yeah and i'm referring to how you're remarking on the spread

no need to frame a guilty man

[karmic finch]

Columnus needs crouching or tap/bust fire at medium range, and you are practically crying at long range

[spice veldt]

of all the things to complain about the graia IAG, if anything, handling is not one of them

[karmic finch]

Forced to tap, dumdum doesn't apply, and you have damage dropoff

[upper sun]

born to dump forced to tap 😭

[karmic finch]

Columnus is broken, but spread hurts so bad at long range

[spice veldt]

or forced to hold RMB

[thorn cedar]

its really not that hard to tap lol

[spice veldt]

and aim down sights

instead of hipfiring

[upper sun]

no

i will not

you can not force me

[thorn cedar]

then die for the emperor

[karmic finch]

Just ads isn't enough for long range gunner pickoffs etc

If they have cover etc

[upper sun]

I will only hold down sights for shotguns and laser trash

[karmic finch]

Most specials are stoopid and stand in full view, so while you are at long range you can still just ads and burst them down

[upper sun]

gauntlet? more like second melee weapon

[sacred crane]

Still a good weapon

[analog agate]

Aim for this

[dusk void]

So more soulblaze on top of the soulblaze build I already have on my talent tree. Understandable

[upper galleon]

With the crit chance from nexus and warp fire sources from tree

I’d sub out crit chance

For a 25% armor perk, something to help get elite/spec kills to keep up PC procs

Flak, maniac maybe even unarmored for dreg ranged elites

[marble crater]

Trauma targets the base armor of enemies, which is flak for almost all elites

Only Dreg Ragers and the Ogryns are not flak

[lethal lagoon]

There's no other body armor type as impactful as flak, which he already has.

So it's better to go for blazing spirit procs

[analog agate]

Yeah, this is my build

[upper galleon]

I’d still go a 25% armor over 5% more procs of 3 stacks

[lethal lagoon]

I mean you can do that, and the game isn't hard enough to matter, but all the better trauma users are pretty much in agreement with flak + 5% crit.

At the end of the day, it is a blaze trauma.

And the only reason flak is more important than 5% crit, because trauma, like surge and purg, hit body armor. Of which flak covers a lot of tihngs.

[marble crater]

Whenever I target enemies climbing up a ledge and hit the head I expect to deal more damage, but I never do

[lethal lagoon]

So I tried avocado toast for the first time. I finally get why millinals can't afford houses

[marble crater]

I can't afford one even without avocado toast

[upper sun]

bruh why did it take that long?

also goes hard with scrambled eggs

[lethal lagoon]

Because it's like the most memed on food of all time

And breakfast without bacon is a cardinal sin

[upper sun]

tru tru

[lethal lagoon]

Don't lie. We know your 3 meals a day of avocado toast habit is the culprit

[upper sun]

but mushing up one avocado isnt that hard you can buy one and do it in secret

[lethal lagoon]

[lethal lagoon]

The real secret is to ask for "slightly extra avocado" and then order 2 more pieces of toast.

[marble crater]

I do love wholegrain or sunflower seed toast

[lethal lagoon]

[wind spruce]

Absurdly bad advice

Sorry, but the crit chance perk is super important to blaze trauma

[wind spruce]

It's actually cos of soul blaze but close enough

[upper sun]

flak crit goes on all weapons

[marble crater]

Oh right, on purgatus a crit applies two stacks, how does that actually work with blaze trauma crits?

[wind spruce]

It just applies the three stacks?

[marble crater]

Does it apply more from crits or not, because the staff itself doesn't have soulblaze

[wind spruce]

Well it applies three more than zero

So sort of

[upper sun]

damn i was gonna do for you 😭

[marble crater]

Well yeah, so maybe it was a stupid question

[wind spruce]

The bar is low tonight

We got people recommending dropping the crit perk off of blaze trauma

[marble crater]

At least you can see the reasoning for the question, right?

[upper sun]

no

we can however see the reasoning behind crit flak on all weapons

[wind spruce]

Crit chance is underrated

I was running 82.5% crit chance duelling sword tonight

[marble crater]

Crit/Flak Thunderhammer, if people complain I will say you recommended it

[wind spruce]

It went hard

[upper sun]

3 perk red weapons when 😭

[rigid sky]

There was a guy earlier who was stanning crit bleed hammer hard actually

Like a month ago

[upper sun]

😨

no comment on hammers

[rigid sky]

For the damage reduction lmao

Blazing piety and everything

[wind spruce]

You know what you shouldn't put crit on

Columnus

[upper sun]

ogryn melee

[marble crater]

Why though? Just use a knife or evis at that point

[lethal lagoon]

In order to RP, I have weakspot and crit damage perk set up on my Ogryn.

[upper sun]

😠

[lethal lagoon]

If you play any other way, you are just a meta sweatlord

[marble crater]

Flak and unarmored for shield

[wind spruce]

Less than two weeks until psyker gets shotguns

https://tenor.com/view/copium-meme-pepe-frog-gif-26117735

[hearty oak]

I been wanting them back since beta but people keep saying "ThEy Be BuStEd!"

[marble crater]

Shotguns and Bolt Pistol? doubt we will get the Shockmauls

[hearty oak]

Don't need those. And I doubt they give us anything

Coming up with new staffs is hard

Surely

[plucky flax]

When new weapons?

Was there a release date?

[hearty oak]

When they remember psyker is a class

With unique weapons

[hearty oak]

2 weeks from now.

[plucky flax]

I won't play until September

[marble crater]

25th

You can play with the penguins

[plucky flax]

I'll eat them.

[marble crater]

[plucky flax]

[upper galleon]

it's 3 stacks on crit when you have PC, wildfire, venting flames

[rigid sky]

also like once you have flak what else do you even need on a trauma

you aren't really gonna be doing more than pushing crushers over with it to be brain ruptured or headpoked

so they kinda don't matter so much

maniac for dreg ragers maybe?

idk what brittleness staff takes

[wind spruce]

PC is a tiny aoe compared to trauma
Wildfire is max four stacks
Venting flames has a cd

The whole point of the a blaze trauma staff is to spread soul blaze

There's no other perk worth taking compared to increased crit

[tired estuary]

using the immense power of my brain to increase the voltage on the cbt maul

[wind spruce]

The ONLY other perk worth mentioning is maniacs because it let's you consistently one tap trappers

But that isn't worth losing 5% crit

[marble crater]

Usually you have enough warp rider or charges to one shot them anyway, and if you don't have stacks then you can shoot or BB them

[wind spruce]

Exactly

[plucky flax]

Blaze trauma bad pls stop simping.

[wind spruce]

I'm irrationally irritated at that comment

[plucky flax]

[wind spruce]

Fuck why not just take off blazing spirit all together

It's only 3 stacks on crit

Fucking useless shit

[plucky flax]

I never kill anything with blaze trauma.

[wind spruce]

It's only 3 stacks on crit how could it kill anything

[plucky flax]

Not like I get 1k+ kills every game because of spread soublaze damage.

It's 6 if you crit twice but it's impossible to crit.

So rending is better.

[wind spruce]

Crits don't even exist

Hence not taking the perk

It all makes sense

That's why surge doesn't work on trauma

It can't crit

[plucky flax]

That's tru double explosion would be a bit good.

Trauma deserved to be bad.

[bold cape]

trauma sucks cause the game wont give me a good one

[plucky flax]

You need my permission for a good blaze trauma.

[wind spruce]

I spent 8 million dockets last week trying to upgrade mine

[bold cape]

holy shit

[plucky flax]

What's your current?

[bold cape]

im content with the voidstrike..

[wind spruce]

Top tier stat distro but maniac instead of crit perk

[bold cape]

mine is decent but it has crit dmg as a perk (why is that a perk)
even with crit chance it just doesnt feel good to use without flak

[marble crater]

Because it's not

[lethal lagoon]

I will run an SG SG build or I will riot.

NOW

[sacred crane]

Can we get a staff that shoots lighting like zeus

[lethal lagoon]

Change smite right click to throw a bolt like zeus

I hope so

Otherwise they are lame

Oh god what are those thumbs

🤢

[sacred crane]

Thjs

Like the hand of god being touched on earth

[lethal lagoon]

I'm confused, that's literally what I meant changing smite right click to

[sacred crane]

I mean like a staff

[lethal lagoon]

I prefer a pinpoint laser for that type of staff hmm.

[balmy flax]

Bardin has his moments

[marble crater]

Sadly it's the Mk 2

[wind spruce]

TWO WEEKS

[upper sun]

mk2 is usable

[balmy flax]

Havent tried mk2 as I can remember, bought it, trying,

[upper sun]

you can go L1H2 to for easy to hit heavies

[wind spruce]

so is sand paper on my bung hole

[upper sun]

or H1 special H1 for more damage

its very versatile but shit damage

[marble crater]

Yes, but the fact he is selling a Mk2 with all t3 upgrades you want on a perfect Mk4 is just the ultimate troll move

[upper sun]

the issue is that does real damage

[wind spruce]

My ranged only duelling sword

[upper sun]

crafting update will fix it

ok I havent played auric in ~5 days

whats the best low iq option to jump back in evi15 zealot or purge psyker?

[marble crater]

Evi15 zealot for sure

[wind spruce]

left click zealot

[upper sun]

LETS GO

[marble crater]

I have clips to prove it

[bold cape]

ep smite is about as low iq as one can get

[lethal lagoon]

I wouldn't call purg psyker low IQ gameplay, just a low IQ choice.

Now if you want both in one, there's only EP smite

[upper sun]

this is from my second zealot dont even have good curios @marble crater

[upper sun]

purge is fun tho

[lethal lagoon]

[bold cape]

i tried it
didnt like purg

[stiff falcon]

Dan Reeves is a goat fr

[lethal lagoon]

Purg is like the flamer but if it's made by a company that struggles with FPS combat.

[upper sun]

you play smite EP you have no right to talk shit

[lethal lagoon]

[bold cape]

surge is ok
void and trauma are amazing
but trauma sucks cause i dont have a good one, honestly worthless staff no use using it tbh

[stiff falcon]

surge goated

[marble crater]

Now do that as psyker

[upper sun]

😨

u-uhhhh

[bold cape]

i still havent fully sorted out my curios

[upper sun]

eh its kind of a waste

[bold cape]

i got +stam, hp and toughness
then i have 3 toughness regen and 3 gunner res
no idea what i should do on the last 3

there’s a skullcrusher 4 slab shield in melks but i dont feel like getting 3000 melkbux in 6 hours

[upper sun]

do it now!!!

[stiff falcon]

10 380s in 8 days

[bold cape]

i dont think i have a single 380

[marble crater]

You don't need toughness regen on psyker, imo. Just go extra health and toughness for the 6 that aren't resist, or ordo dockets

[radiant frigate]

toughness regen is a trash stat don't @ me

[bold cape]

have i consumed misinformation about toughness regen being good or is this just a point of differing opinions

[stiff falcon]

based

[marble crater]

Depends, what information did you consume?

[radiant frigate]

it only really comes into play when not threatened

[bold cape]

that toughness regen is important on psyker

[radiant frigate]

so it does not save you when it matters

[lethal lagoon]

No u

Nothing will save you when it matters.

That's what it means to be a psyker

[radiant frigate]

except FAITH

[lethal lagoon]

[radiant frigate]

[upper sun]

ok hot queued into vent purge

[marble crater]

Found the fanatic, siblings

[upper sun]

3 trapped came at us at the same time as crusher while in gas

[lethal lagoon]

Don't lie, you aren't going in hot anywhere.

[upper sun]

bruh

its hot as balls rn

need a fan to function

[stiff falcon]

flexing my 3 17 toughnes curios on my zealot

[lethal lagoon]

Your mirror recommends a space heater instead

[upper sun]

i already forgot that joke

[bold cape]

[lethal lagoon]

[radiant frigate]

death resist is an ability some might consider to be unnatural

[marble crater]

I don't get the joke

[bold cape]

yeah i dont get you either

[upper sun]

we said something about mirrors yesterday

but i dont remember the joke

or was it two days ago

man ive got that exam time memory "i remember it existing just not what it is"

[radiant frigate]

mirror mirror on the wall, who's the most explosive of them all

[marble crater]

The Seer

[bold cape]

do i really wanna play any other class than psyker to complete these contracts

[marble crater]

Ogryn

[bold cape]

i need good shit for ogryn
yea i guess ill play vet and get the melkbux for the shield

[lethal lagoon]

Ogryn is nice for a break.

Just get one of the clubs, spam heavies, = immortal

[marble crater]

Shield, spam heavies be happy

[lethal lagoon]

Unless you use weapon custom to make shield a fist, then you are based.

[marble crater]

You know I can't

[lethal lagoon]

I know

I h onestly just can't stand the vision blocking from the shield

It's a little too much

[lethal lagoon]

What else do you play on gamepass?

[marble crater]

Right now nothing else, whenever I try I just play Darktide again. They announced a few nice games at the Showcase though and next month brings Frostpunk 2 as well

I tried to play Immortals of whatever and holy shit the performance is so bad, whose idea was it to have dynamic resolution?

[lethal lagoon]

Immortals looks like one of those games I'd like to try playing but will never get around to actually playing.

If it's on sale for like $5 I'll probably buy it and then never play.

Speaking of first person magic games, ziggurat 1 and 2 are really solid roguelikes.

I have like 300 hours in the first one

I'm always sad those games never got attention.

[marble crater]

Immortals was fun, but I just couldn't get past the game running at 420p most of the time, completely ruins the whole magic fighting aspect

[lethal lagoon]

I'd imagine. Magic screen vomit seems to be the main feature.

[marble crater]

Plague Tale games were fun though. Control too, still need to finish that.

[marble crater]

Never heard of them

[lethal lagoon]

Yeah that's the problem

[marble crater]

Expedition 33 looks interesting

[hearty oak]

Back to back lobbies of all psykers

None using voidstrike except me

Do people just not like damage?

[upper sun]

being good with void is unethical

please be more considerate and either be bad or stop using void

[hearty oak]

You don't understand

The voidstrike has the best thump to its special

[upper sun]

no i do understand

either give yourself a lobotomy right now or change staves

[hearty oak]

No

[upper sun]

HAVING

[hearty oak]

I will continue fishing for kills with voidstrikes specials on crushers

[marble crater]

Staves don't even have a special

[upper sun]

get carap 1

[hearty oak]

They all have specials. And are special

[marble crater]

The special is "special"

[hearty oak]

😤

[upper sun]

ogryn gauntlet gets a cool melee attack

we get BONK

[hearty oak]

We get to beat enemies

With a stick

[upper sun]

unironically every staff should have a unique special except purge it should keep bonk

[hearty oak]

I wanted purge to have the fire whip attack from dark souls

[marble crater]

Trauma special could be the secondary blast, but towards the front like a kickback

Trauma shotgun

[hearty oak]

And surge can launch a lightning grenade that stuns most human-sized enemies

[broken carbon]

and a unique primary fire

:(

[hollow current]

doing this shitty smite penance and im somehow still at the top of the board or keeping up.

[lethal lagoon]

EP smite shriek is probably the easiest way to get 1st place damage, if we are talking skill level

[honest basin]

I'm trying to craft a crit soulblaze ilisi. Should I swap out unstable power for shred IV or bloodthirsty? Ik shred is the safe option, but I havent seen many people's opinions on bloodthirsty and using it like a pseudo powersword

[bold cape]

wow plasma boss dmg aint bad

[lethal lagoon]

Bloodthristy is kinda pointless with blazing spirit.

I mean to be fair, blazing spirit is pointless on Illy in the first place.

But if you are going to meme, shred is better.

[honest basin]

100% going for the interesting craft

[lethal lagoon]

You wont really get stacks with bloodthristy, it'll just kill stuff.

[honest basin]

I already have a slaughterer iv ilisi and its boring to play at this point

[charred scroll]

been having a LOT of fun with empowere3d lightning, just casually spread to every single enemy spawn with seemingly no upper limit, massive damage increase and 3 stacks that seem to replenish as i use one lmfao

[lethal lagoon]

Ep smite no braincell gang

[charred scroll]

not to mention free stunlocking

[lethal lagoon]

It's fun cause it feels like cheating.

[bold cape]

i played ep smite until i got a good staff then literally never again

shit is literally brainrot

[lethal lagoon]

Activating l33t hacks

https://tenor.com/view/unlimited-power-star-wars-gif-10270127

[charred scroll]

i use staff constantly for bigger targets but the exact second more than 3 things dare to exist at the same time i stunlock them for my team

[bold cape]

"more than 3"

[charred scroll]

soloed an auric poxwalker horde with it while my team dealth with a boss

[bold cape]

i sure do love ep smite, not only do you decide how to play yourself, but you get to make that decision for the rest of the team, too!

[charred scroll]

lol for me i like the easier style of play, and hte fact it lets me help the team deal with horde of specials

or a horde we aren't prepared for like during a boss for example

[hollow current]

first time ive used smite and without EP. I'm putting it back away now that I'm done.

[charred scroll]

like, so many runs end due to random hordes of gunners or shield jacksses, but they show up now and i can stunlock them while the team deals with more important stuff, or finishes them off

and with my main staff being the shock one, i deal fairly respectable single target damage to higher hp guys with it, and stagger them as well

[analog agate]

Ya, my runs end like the following:
Random gunner/reaper/shotgunner group spawning
Chaos spawn
Mutant grabbing me and hitting me into flames/burster

[lethal lagoon]

[charred scroll]

emp smite literally solves all but like, one of those lol

[lethal lagoon]

I stopped playing EP smite for a bit and it's like a skill buff.

Probably done with it till they rework smite.

[charred scroll]

dunno why they would tbh

[lethal lagoon]

Because it takes 0 skill and DPSes the whole map and scales with difficulty?

Anyone with even a modicum of skill will also dislike playing with smiters.

[blissful pulsar]

I have been enjoying EP smite as a break from vet/zealot but kinda want to try and setup a DD gaze build

[charred scroll]

the dps even with emp smite is comparably garbage, it's just a REALLY goddamn good crowd control tool

[blissful pulsar]

The dps is pretty good with the shriek combo

[lethal lagoon]

? You can kill a rager in 8 seconds. And doesn't matter if there's 1 or 100

[charred scroll]

you trade off REAL damage for the ability to help the team deal with sudden threats and hordes

[lethal lagoon]

No?

[blissful pulsar]

Itll melt anything that isnt crusher/bulwark.

[lethal lagoon]

That's factually wrong.

[charred scroll]

yea and ayone else in the game can deal with a rager or even multiple in 3 or 4 seconds?

[lethal lagoon]

And in fact the "CC" will lower your team's damage and ruin their postioning because it prevents bunching.

[lethal lagoon]

1 or 100

So no.

They can't.

[blissful pulsar]

The thing with EP smite is the worse the situation, the stronger it becomes

[lethal lagoon]

That's not even counting how good smite is at grabbing kills for PC

[blissful pulsar]

4 ragers? Meh. 10 ragers, 12 shotgunners, 3 crushers, 2 dogs, 3 mutants, and a horde? Itll kill all of them.

Once the first shotgunner dies itll chain kill the rest

[lethal lagoon]

Ima be frank, if you are pubbing with EP smite, and you aren't getting 1st place every game... breh.

[marble crater]

Maybe I should play EP smite tonight

[charred scroll]

and i mean, the alternative is emp burst, something that is imo comparably not worth it, and emp assail, a difference i somehow genuinely cannot see.

Like, I would genuinely rather have the ability to keep my often dumb team of randos alive, than worry about some rando i MIGHT run into that MIGHT complain about "EP SMITE BAD, TECHNICALLY DPS LOSS"

[lethal lagoon]

You would rather be able to play the game with 0 skill.

Which is fun, for a bit.

But it needs a rework because that's not how this game should work.

[blissful pulsar]

I did notice it feels way weaker if you dont grab the two sub talents to smite. Also the only build I ever see people complain about is knife zealot

[charred scroll]

to be fair, literally nothing about psyker takes ANY skill, with most of our attacks being literally all autohit

so no aim is involved at all

so "0 skill" isn't even a proper argument tbh

[marble crater]

Aim is not the only skill

[blissful pulsar]

Aiming headpops on specials in middle of a horde isnt easy compared to just shooting them.

[lethal lagoon]

Look, I get it, you like playing EP smite, and me saying it takes 0 skill hurts your feelings.
I like playing it too. I wish it wasn't so simple to get 1st place in DPS with 0 effort.
But that's how it is.

And that's why it needs a rework.

[blissful pulsar]

(Also melee on psyker is way more annoying than as zealot/ogryn/veteran)

[analog agate]

The skill for psyker is map knowledge and peril management. Yeah, the aiming is brain dead

Unless gunker

[willow hazel]

All the weakspot damage necessitates aim, yall just choose to avoid the psyker weapons that hit heads

[blissful pulsar]

Does anyone have a good gunker build to share?

Ive never tried making one, dont know a good gun to craft

[lethal lagoon]

Columnus is the standard.

[hollow current]

columnus V or Laspistol II

[charred scroll]

oh no feelings hurt here, i'm just saying it's wild to say it's 0 skill when nearly the only "skill" psyker requires is from brain burst.

it's like saying tic-tac-toe is for babies ,checkers is for real men... like... sure there is a difference but not that much man

[willow hazel]

grab any gun, pick Psy Aura or Assail, take anything else, it will work

[lethal lagoon]

[chrome sphinx]

grab columnus on any build and it will probably work

[blissful pulsar]

I know any gun can prob work. But I prefer to go with the actual good ones people find fun to use with synergistic perks. Only play auric shock trooper so dont like not using the best I can.

[lethal lagoon]

Psy aura fix for SG is so nice

[charred scroll]

like, i could mention so many things about other classes that need reworks that are FAR more overpowered in their kit than SMITE is in Psykers.

Like, by your logic they need to either remove or rework the krak grenades because with the grenade regen talent nobody should ever grab any other grenade ever

[lethal lagoon]

[charred scroll]

though to be fair krak grenades are also REALLY fun

[lethal lagoon]

There is nothing comparable to EP smite shriek. You could use grey weapons and still get 800k+ every other auric.

All with virtually no skill.

[charred scroll]

there is also the fact that many of the reasons this game is so good is that the focus has typically been on fun, not just pandering to high level meta play

[lethal lagoon]

Right... and do you think it's fun playing with someone who with 0 effort or ability does the most damage while stunning the map?

[charred scroll]

having played with several builds of that sort, yea

i LOVE my teamates helping me by having a noticable presence on the battlefield

[lethal lagoon]

There is no "several builds"

While there are other OP combos, there is nothing comparable.

It's not just about being OP that's the problem

[charred scroll]

i ADORE being able to notice my team's addition to fights instead of having to pretend i'm soloing everything cause i go some other random meta build.

I play ogryn and i see an ep smite psyker and i love it, because that means they can stunlock a group and i can wail on them

[hearty oak]

Overkill means im doing good right?

[lethal lagoon]

You enjoying always being in a state of being braindead isn't a good argument.

Ignore the irony of how badly I fucked up that sentence

[charred scroll]

it's also why i love tank ogryn players so much, as well stealth or stance vets,

like, they aren't just killing stuff, they're providing a noticable CHANGE in the battle

[charred scroll]

i can't say shit, i mistype constantly

[lethal lagoon]

And in your example, your DPS is being actively reduced by the stun. Ogryn is the last class that needs enemies stunned.

[charred scroll]

not to mention the constant whining and complaining about DPS in games that often don't really need to focus on it often stands in direct opposition to actually enjoying it

like

[spice veldt]

the thing is that the stun is to the point of being overbearing

[willow hazel]

The columnus, both revolvers, and mk2 laspistol are all on the strong side. But which is "best" more depends on the rest of your build, your playstyle, and how well you aim.

[spice veldt]

because there's no need to engage with the game when the enemies are literally unable to do anything to harm you

[lethal lagoon]

You keep bringing up fun, most people do not like smite spammers.

[blissful pulsar]

I love teams without ogryn just because they feel to big and annoying to shoot around

[lethal lagoon]

Especially in auric t5s and beyond

[analog agate]

I’m going to do EP smite tonight and see.

[blissful pulsar]

Just gimme a zealot or somethin

[charred scroll]

now THERE is an actual comment i can understand instead of "but muh dps"

[upper galleon]

tfw the smite psyker stuns the mutie when you have your hammer ready to swing so now you are just stuck there

[lethal lagoon]

"Muh DPS" is to point out you aren't helping your team like you think you are.

[upper galleon]

yippie

[spice veldt]

melee players taking Ls from players running stuns 😔

[upper galleon]

smites strong rn but there is no reason it should've gotten buffed and is most def eating a nerf next balance patch, or maybe just all the soulblaze talents

[charred scroll]

your entire argument till this point has been "but dps" in both directions of "it makes the dps suffer" and somehow ALSO "it makes the dps too high"

[willow hazel]

Most of that is just PC and Creeping Flames being insane. Replace EP Smite with most other primary weapons and keystone and enemies die faster

[upper galleon]

went from annoying to lol, everything in your field of vision is dead

[marble crater]

Your dps higher, team dps lower

[lethal lagoon]

Your entire argument is how "fun" is important, in which case most people agree smite spam is not fun to play with.

[upper galleon]

ok that doesn't really matter, things get killed they get killed,

[charred scroll]

like, complaining about too much dps seems completely irrelevant when multiple classes, specifically zealot can EASILY set up one shots for functionally anything but major bosses

[analog agate]

The amount of times I kinda feel like an ass when I stun a mutie only for the hammer zealot to swing in the air… or trauma a crusher and see an ogryn kickback shot miss…

[upper galleon]

nah, very few things in the psyker arsenal can match the target # potential compared to smite

void?

[thorn cedar]

smikers should be electrocuted irl at an increasing intensity the longer they hold down right click

[upper galleon]

EP smite shouldn't been buffed but i guess it's cause smite->shield-> ep users dragged down the winrate and performance

[marble crater]

There are situations where it can matter, but I was just pointing out the argument being made

[lethal lagoon]

For 0 skill, it's way too much DPS. If you think otherwise, you are somehow screwing up the easiest build in the game.

[willow hazel]

More targets is less important than just killing enemies fast to scale soublaze damage and reduce Vent CD.

[spice veldt]

yeah the stagger of trauma really just feels dirty at times

[willow hazel]

Surge + Vent outdamages EP/Smite + Vent

[upper galleon]

wdym fast, killing entire elite packs and the horde in 8 seconds is fast

killing horde feeds you the quell on kill talent

[charred scroll]

not saying it takes SKILL, but also every single other high dps meta build doesn't take that much more at all either, ESPECIALLY the funky one shot builds

[upper galleon]

it kills fast now

[lethal lagoon]

Yeah... and zealots who one shot bosses, esp on monster maels, aren't very fun to play with.

[willow hazel]

Do you actually want to run quell on kill for a Creeping Flames build? It actively reduces how fast you can Vent

[lethal lagoon]

It's "cool" once or twice, and then it's boring.

[upper galleon]

makes EP smite last longer which kills more stuff, more PC charges

yea

it was fun to play a few rounds

[charred scroll]

like, my entire point isn't "it takes skill wah, my feelings"

my point is that I can understand why some people get annoyed by it, but you literally cannot complain about "wah 0 skill" when every single class has MULTIPLE ways to make the game REALLY unfun in FAR more egregious ways than ep smite

[upper galleon]

but it's absolutely brainless rn

[upper galleon]

https://tenor.com/view/no-bugs-bunny-nope-gif-4095597578532971838

i don't agree that any class has a build that comes close to as annoying smite can be

[charred scroll]

arguably ogryn is the only one i've seen with the least ways to fuck shit up for their team just with a build

[upper galleon]

the now fixed bugged rumbler lucky bullet build, is the only thing that comes close

[willow hazel]

Vent is doing way more damage than EP smite

[charred scroll]

a fair opposition but i feel otherwise

[upper galleon]

i'm def not stressed to hit peril cap if needed but i can do that as my CD returns

[upper galleon]

examples being?

[lethal lagoon]

So you argee it makes the game unfun and takes 0 skill? You just think there are worse ways to do it?

There, that's good enough for me.

[charred scroll]

I agree it can be annoying to play with at times and it's REALLY easy to play, but people blow it out of proportion and only see it as some kind of god meta build when it really isn't.

[lethal lagoon]

"ut people blow it out of proportion and only see it as some kind of god meta build when it really isn't."
That I almost never see. Usually I have to argue how EP smite shriek is good.

[upper galleon]

smite vent blaze build was already "good" before the buff

for non monstro/non ogryns it is def up in the meta now

[charred scroll]

any zealot one shot build, any vet with smokes at all, most vet builds with the plasma gun, some older ogryn builds (not played ogryn gun builds in a while so idk if they've patched some of those out)

[upper galleon]

what?

zealot kills things in melee

that's what they are meant to do

[lethal lagoon]

A zealot trivilizing a boss while annoying isn't the whole game.
I don't get the vet smoke thing.
A vet has to be fairly skilled to actually annoy me with plasma.

[hearty oak]

I remember when assail was "Too good"

[charred scroll]

yea and the style of the game is literally centered initially around everyone doing the same

[analog agate]

If ep smite is as oppressive as atlas says it is… those aren’t analogous examples

[upper galleon]

and going for oneshots means they have to put themselves at risk and build away from hordes

[willow hazel]

zealot hammer builds definately make monstrocity modifiers less interesting, but they are suboptimal outside of that

[upper galleon]

vet smokes, vet plasma can be annoying and is def overtuned but it's still doing the job

[charred scroll]

the problem is Zealot HAS to specifically go out of their way to one shot build, and it just removes all threat from the game when they do, much like the argument against EP smite

[upper galleon]

and ogryn yea doesn't even have one

[upper galleon]

they still have groups of smaller elites and hordes to deal with

sure you can take knife or hammer or chain weapon but all those come with drawbacks and risks smite doesn't have

[analog agate]

The closest thing I could think of was old ps/bolter vet

[charred scroll]

IMO the "Risk" smite has is just the general psyker risk. if you fuck it up at ALL, you really never have the hp to survive more than one hit.

[lethal lagoon]

A zealot is sacrificing their horde and general damage to do that.

[charred scroll]

irrelevant with 4 people

[upper galleon]

and you didn't even use flamer fotf as an exmaple and i prepped a comeback to that

[late yew]

SHUT UP

[lethal lagoon]

It's relevant to this discussion? What are you on?

[charred scroll]

fair but I don't see a lot of flamers, especially recently for some reason

[late yew]

What would you consider best ranged weapon for SCrier crit build?

[analog agate]

CIAG

[upper galleon]

columnus

[analog agate]

Is always thr answer

[late yew]

What is CIAG

[analog agate]

Columnus

[charred scroll]

irrelevant in that one person sacrificing some horde damage is comparably irrelevant because there are 3 other people that, if they have half a brain, can make MOST hordes irrelevant on all but auric

[lethal lagoon]

Why'd they nerf my poor little baby recon and leave columnus alone

[late yew]

Hmmm

Why not void stuff or laser pistol?

[lethal lagoon]

"general damage"

[late yew]

Guys, what are you arguing about?

[analog agate]

Las pistol is pretty good. Can do insane boss dps

[charred scroll]

started about ep smite

[late yew]

What blessings?

[hearty oak]

Cause Voidstrike with surge will be the equivalent of a plasma vet

[lethal lagoon]

Because for some reason columnus escaped the crit string nerf hammer

[late yew]

What was argument about it?

[lethal lagoon]

So it's just overwhelming

[charred scroll]

started with ep smite and now is mentioning one shot zealot builds

[lethal lagoon]

EP smite + shriek takes 0 skill, does lots of damage, and generally ruins the experience for your team on Auric t5+

[analog agate]

Dumbdum fire frenzy

[willow hazel]

It could be the mk2 laspistol. Better swap time and less reloading. Just depends on your definition of "best"

[late yew]

0 skill yes, but i would not say it ruins anything

[lethal lagoon]

[late yew]

You know what ruins everytihng way more

[lethal lagoon]

Your face

[late yew]

Ogryns with rippers or kickbacks

[late yew]

No, that would be my personality

[lethal lagoon]

[late yew]

[hearty oak]

Im probably the few that is an outcrier for the kickback to be nerfed

[charred scroll]

I'm saying that in a vacuum you have a point, but in practice it's really not as big of an issue as you make it out to be. You're taking mild personal annoyance and attributing it to every single player ever in every single game.

just like while i am annoyed by one shot zealots

i don't pretend they ruin every game ever

[lethal lagoon]

I literally just started this entire dicussion with "smite needs a rework"

And I'd also agree boss damage needs to be toned down

So...

Okay?

[charred scroll]

I would agree it needs mild tweaks but not a full rework

[lethal lagoon]

It has no place in a horde shooter

[charred scroll]

it's DEFINITELY strong right now, no arguing that

[charred scroll]

with that argument so does over half the kit in this game

[late yew]

NO

I am big lover of smite from day it was introduced

It is fine now

it only clears hordes

[lethal lagoon]

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it isn't and not really,

definitely stronger than a lot of other choices and that's the main problem people have against it

[late yew]

In fact, something like flame shriek is worse

[late yew]

it is only stronger than assail, which just has no purpose now

BB is about as strong with EP, just for different purposes

[lethal lagoon]

[late yew]

decent base? Or too low stopping power?

[charred scroll]

arguably there is literally no reason to build anything but ep smite, making even brain burst irrelevant completely right now, if only due to like what Atlas said, the EXTREME EASE that you can do it with

[marble crater]

That's really low stopping power

[late yew]

if it is so strong, whyi basically see no one using it?

[charred scroll]

because people like to try and avoid meta

[lethal lagoon]

Average player doesn't know how OP creeping flames is.

[lethal lagoon]

Nah there are tons of smite users who just use shields cause they don't know better.

[charred scroll]

I use shields cause i play with randos a lot and that helps keep them alive

[lethal lagoon]

Speaking of EP BB

Make this the default speed

[late yew]

YOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

[lethal lagoon]

You lose a dodge on that but it's a gun so who cares.

[analog agate]

Honestly, you probably don’t see it more because most of us haven’t really tried it.

[late yew]

what those have to do with smite

[lethal lagoon]

Literally everything

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no amount of EP SMITE can save randos from going full braindead and walking headfirst into the gunner horde they have been downed to three times now

[willow hazel]

It does different things, but I have a hard time buying its as universially OP as Assail

[late yew]

Literally lie

about 70% of people always use most popular build

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the problem is that currently assail and smite both fill functionally the same roles, massive damage without having to nearly ever aim, the problem is that smite ALSO can target FAR more enemies at the same time, at the sacrifice of ever so slightly less dps. but the additional targets means that dps loss is irrelevant

[late yew]

btw, when assail was op most psykers were using it

[willow hazel]

Smite can't be used while sprinting or weaved in between melee attacks

[late yew]

So don't tell me shit about how people "try to avoid meta"

[upper galleon]

every zealot wants fotf taken apart so it isn't so overloaded lol

[charred scroll]

irrelevant, as said before smite can drop most targets in a single long cast of about 8 seconds, and stunlock literally everything in the game other than bosses

you don't need to sprint or weave when you don't need to move, OR use any other weapon

[lethal lagoon]

You can dodge slide forwardish while smiting so you feel like you are doing something. And to also grab targets further away.

[charred scroll]

I ADORE smite in it's current state, but can see the other side of the argumetn and agree it needs some changes, but not a full rework

[analog agate]

I think it isn’t meta for 2 reasons:

A lot of people haven’t tried it.
We are so used to the game we value mobility and fast killing potential. Which isn’t smite

[lethal lagoon]

No, average players brain just goes "Im A SuPOORT BuILD" and pairs smite with bubble, notices it's not very good, and then moves on.

[willow hazel]

I mean a lot of weapons do better. Columnus, Trauma, Void, all slaughter mixed hordes. Just proccing PC a bunch of time with a dueling sword is going to kill faster too.

The thing about assail is it lets you just use those normally OP weapons, and have a bunch of free DPS and CC during "downtime"

[lethal lagoon]

The ones who don't notice are worse though

[analog agate]

Yeah, I mean in discord. Avg players have bad builds

[charred scroll]

in the sense of ACTUAL gameplay, it absolutely is.

it trivializes everything but boss fights, often removing any and all difficulty regardless of the level of ANY of your gear even on auric, and often completely prevents most damage from reaching you in any and all ways

what PLAYERS "value" has nothing to do with what is OP, the fact it isn't "popular" doesn't mean it isn't meta

[willow hazel]

I want to move to finish the map quicker

[late yew]

Are you complainng about smite, or smite + flame shriek

because those 2 are different complains

[charred scroll]

you move faster when every single fight ends in 8 seconds or less, you never get bogged down and never stop longer than those 8 seconds every say, four minutes or whenever a big group shows up

slow is safe, safe is fast

I ADORE smite right now but I can also see the argument against it

I might not agree with some of the argument against it but i can see it

[willow hazel]

From experience I can tell you that 1-2 decent players with high mobility can clear most of the map from in front of the smiter

[analog agate]

I’ll try it tonight. I just think the meta is character mobility and fast kills

[charred scroll]

it's definitely most of the meta yea, but think about it

fast kills on a few things, or SLIGHTLY slower kills on 40 to 70 things all at once

slower by about 2 seconds but hit SHITLOADS more

and comparably speed up the rush due to that

anyways, opinions? I haven't changed my staff in a while

[lethal lagoon]

I wouldn't say I was "complaining" about Ep smite shirek, I'm saying smite needs a rework.

[willow hazel]

Vent is doing most of that damage. Just swap Smite for a Surge or Trauma staff and you will move faster and everything but poxwalkers die faster.

[lethal lagoon]

Now Smite bubble.

That I will complain about

average Smite Bubble user:
https://steamcommunity.com/app/1361210/discussions/0/3935643263194411095/

[upper sun]

me as the 2/3

atlus as the poster

[lethal lagoon]

That's literally the worst thing you've ever said to me

[upper sun]

[charred scroll]

listen when i get a full group and not randoms i'll stop smite/bubble

but as long as dummies keep walking headfirst into gunner/dog hordes multiple times in a row and dying, i will keep running it

[lethal lagoon]

I was arguing with a smite bubbler.

[charred scroll]

LOL

for real, how do you get to playing auric difficulties and STILL go out of your way to blindly run into a room of gunners and die multiple times

[late yew]

holy

2 clips of columnus into boss

40k damage

[charred scroll]

that's why i run bubble, the average iq of any given random auric player is concerningly low

[median elk]

Let them perish then

[charred scroll]

i straight up, the only time i ran non-bubble into an auric, the random shield ogryn who refused to put up his shield ran into a gunner horde, got downed, ressed by me, then ran ahead again and died to the same exact gunner horde and blamed us for it

like, fam LITERALLY had a solution to the problem literally in his hand

[median elk]

Ogryn moment

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or the stealth vet who literally uncloaked literally in front of, you guessed it, a gunner horde

like, seriously, how does 7/10 auric randoms NOT know how to deal with gunners

[median elk]

Uncloaking supresses nearby enemies

[charred scroll]

if you have the perk yea

[marble crater]

I never run bubble and my missions usually go well

[charred scroll]

don't you NEED the perk for that though?

[charred scroll]

maybe it's just personal experience on my end

[median elk]

No, it's built in the ability

[charred scroll]

i swear you needed one of the side perks for that

still watched the guy get shredded, maybe it was cause the gunners targeted someone else but he was literally standing directly in the crossfire

I don't play vet nearly enough to know what was up with that

[late yew]

The way you talking it seems to me you complain about shriek, and not smite

[charred scroll]

yeaaa, I don't run shriek like ever, so I feel that's a major part of why i literally do not understand half the problems this guy is talking about

[late yew]

is wildfire still bad?

[lethal lagoon]

EP smite bubble is "I'M HElPInG"
EP smite shriek is "I'm actually helping, and it's too much"

[late yew]

This guy is honeslty just pulling things out of ass

[charred scroll]

some people just have loud opinions and honestly as someone who has loud opinions about other things, I understand lol

[lethal lagoon]

"i don't run shriek like ever" Then the TF were you arguing with me for?

[median elk]

I sure hope you don't smite poxwalkers

[lethal lagoon]

And Smite bubble has it's own problems. If you are wondering why your teammates are always going down... well...

Dead things = living teammates

[charred scroll]

i wasn't "Arguing" i suppose, I just liked the conversation, I enjoy talking with someone about a topic who can be vaugely rational and not attack the opposite directly when they don't agree completely

[late yew]

Because you did not fuck nargue about shriek, you were arguing about smite

[median elk]

Probably because they have a team of 3

[late yew]

While in reality your whole complaint is about shriek

in other words

you don't fuckn know what you talking about yourself

[median elk]

[charred scroll]

my experience has been "no bubble = dead randos" though

but once again, just my experience with randos

[lethal lagoon]

Smite bubble is worse for a different reason, I've already made that clear several times.

Also, no one asking about basic shit like columnus needs to be inserting themselves in a psyker meta convo.

[marble crater]

It's not the best thing ever, but it's better the less soulblaze you have. I like it with blaze trauma, but not on purgatus

[charred scroll]

Either way I did actually enjoy the talk Atlas lmao. It's always fun to be able to see the opposite end of topics even if the experience doesn't change my mind

[lethal lagoon]

I didn't enjoy the 4th quarter reveal that you were a smite bubbler, my sworn enemy, all along.

But otherwise agreed.

[charred scroll]

lol

[charred scroll]

always gotta have a plot twist

[lethal lagoon]

Okay, think of it this way. Imagine you go down to malice. What's the best way to ensure you complete you're "No teammates die" contract?

You kill everything.

So auric t5, isn't all that different.

[charred scroll]

smite whatever is close and let my allies safely revive, same with auric

[lethal lagoon]

But if they get downed in the first place, they will probably get downed again

And then they die

And contract fails

Unless everything is dead

[charred scroll]

maybe, but if i'm smite stunlocking and they manage to die anyways after someone resses them, that contract was doomed from the start

[lethal lagoon]

The smite stunlock ends eventually, but death is eternal

[charred scroll]

honestly? not really with the way i've been building

[lethal lagoon]

Blood for the blood god

[marble crater]

You don't need a bubble to protect against ranged, if you kill all ranged with shriek

[charred scroll]

my stunlock only ends for about 2ish seconds while i quell, only ends if i'm really unlucky and don't get additional EP stacks

[lethal lagoon]

[charred scroll]

now is this talking about rupture or flames shriek?

[lethal lagoon]

[late yew]

Literally no one but you ever complained about smite

[charred scroll]

false

[marble crater]

Flame of course

[lethal lagoon]

Hottest take all day

[late yew]

alt accounts

[charred scroll]

plenty have complained, but we're just the visible ones on the discord lmfao

just because you don't see it doesn't mean it doesn't exist lmfao